Vega reviews

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>>61899641
>Extremely high power draw
>Lots of fan noise
>High temperatures
>Throttling
>Coil noise at high FPS
>Fan does not stop in idle

>>61899641
Yeah, the emargo lifted at 9am EDT.
Here's another focused specifically on linux 56/64
>>61899581

>>61899670
I am checking, and the reviews came out ~10 minutes ago. How did you get all that?

Or did you have a prepared list of FUD?

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https://www.hardocp.com/article/2017/08/14/amd_radeon_rx_vega_64_video_card_review/

>nowhere even near GTX 1080 Ti level of performance
>Power levels are off the charts
>it needs some of that magic dust from Ryzen to rub off on the Radeon Technology Group

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>>61899678
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Radeon_RX_Vega_64/37.html

>>61899641
VEGA DOA HAHAHA

>>61899674
Sweet. If you have more reviews other than the three I posted, please do link!

>>61899670
>reference cooler

This is literally the worst launch in the history of GPUs.

>>61899696
Just Wait™

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>>61899681
>Power levels are off the charts
Yeah, seems high for the performance level.

That Vega 56 is pretty much on par with the 1080 on dx12. Pretty gud desu

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>>61899736
Speaking of performance level: Initial reading shows Vega to be pretty good.

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>amdfags were waiting 16 months for this

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my 1080ti gets 6000 flat when OC'd. Vega is fucking DOA

>>61899736
How the fuck.

>>61899736
>Still using Furmark
why?

>>61899641
>TPU
>gtx 1070 losing to rx vega 56 in gta 5
>rx vega 56 losing to gtx 1070 in hitman

well that's surprising

>>61899681
>13 tflops vs the 1080ti's 11.5 tflops
>1080ti gets 30-40% more performance
I don't understand this at all

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>>61899641
Goodbye Nvidia

THEY ARE ALL SOLD OUT ON NEWEGG ALREADY AHHHHHHHH
WHYYYYYY

>>61899761
vega 56 is the new best card for anything sub 4k.

>>61899828
>hardware amdshilled
>amdirt
lel

>>61899838
Yeah, all the reviews so far like the 56 much more than the 64.

>>61899678
We already knew it was half of those things, use that noggin, dumb tripfag

>>61899828
You can tell the Aussie is an AMD shill when he flat outs shits on Intel but when an inferior AMD product shows up he refuses to shit on it.

Does anyone have to vega 64 LC sku#?
I need it for amazon

>>61899770
Your 1080 Ti also cost a lot more money than either Vega card.

>>61899868
>$100
>a lot more

It is still sold out due to miners lmao

>doesn't scale with clocks
>doesn't scale with ALUs
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH IT?
How in the fuck would they make MCM GPU if they can't saturate fucking 50 something CUs?

>>61899868
it cost less per performance though
700/600 = 1.1666
6000/4000 = 1.5

I get more for my money with a 1080ti than anybody does with Vega 64. If you need AMD then stick to 1440p and get a Vega 56

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THE BEST

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>>61899828
That fucking result, what was he smoking?

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I hope you didn't plan to overclock.

>>61899879
proofs?

So in conclusion, it is shit.
Now I wonder just why it is so shit.

>>61899899
more like
>$499

be a good goy and cough up

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>same price as 1080
>same performance as a 1080
>double the power consumption
ye nah

>>61899909
Because unlike Intel nVidia hasn't been sitting on it's ass for the last five years

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OU5kcRUpEks

>>61899875
>$399 to $699 is $100
>$499 to $699 is $100

Why are white people so f**king dumb?

>>61899879
It's shit at mining though, why would you pay $599 for 300w 35mh/s?

>>61899930
>he wants to by 64 integrated oven air edition

>>61899641
Vega is shit at gaymes
Vega DESTROYS GTXes at productivity

Has anyone noticed that amd's current generation is made for actual people and not weeb manchildren?

I'll definitely go AMD next time.

>>61899926
I aint watching this day care sitter. Give me the long hair fellow

>>61899930
Where can i buy a 499 vega 64 air anon?

So do I have it right?
>Vega 56 slightly better than 1070
>uses more power than 1070 but likely has future horsepower to be wringed out of it.
>Vega 64 only better than 1080 as you move towards 4k.

>>61899920
Who the fuck cares about nvidia.
Why the hell Vega chokes so much.

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>>61899938
>>61899907

>>61899955
Completely irrelevant. We all knew retailers would mark them up for miners and they'd be sold out instantly. That has no bearing on what the MSRP is.

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Say good night nvidia.

If I go i9+Vega64 do i need to submerge PC into oil like in good old times?

>>61899965
>j-just wait for the stock

>>61899957
First two points correct, the last not quite. It depends more on the game, especially dx11 vs dx12/Vulkan, than the resolution.

>>61899968
>Fiji actually performs BETTER
WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FUCK HAVE THEY EVER DONE?
HOW
WHY?

>>61899968
AMD's garbage tier drivers with high CPU overhead strike again!

>>61899965
did you actually ever see them in stock?

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>>61899835
>>61899879
>>61899965

When will they learn?

>>61899968
>losing to FuryX
...What????
>Losing to Vega 56
....WHAT???????
The fuck is going on here?

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>>61899894
Vega 64 is $500 and you are comparing overclocked scores vs stock

Vega has better perf/dollar than 1080ti in actual games, not synthetic benchmarks.

>can't buy the GPU on its own
>have to buy it bundled with some other gay shit
ye nah fuck off

>>61899980
It's entirely margin of error between the two and an obvious CPU bottleneck. AMD's driver has major CPU overhead problems in DX11.

>>61899985
When I checked the 499.99 ones were still in stock. When I refreshed they were gone.

>>61899980
Vega 56 is performing better in that bench than Vega 64..

>>61899693
Yeah, that thread is getting zero traction. So, i'll just post the link here. For anyone interested in a Linux specific 56/64 review, go here :
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=rx-vega-linux1&num=1

>>61899984
More like civ VI shouldn't be used as a fucking benchmark, that ugly shit is coded by jungle monkeys

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stay mad cuck bois

Either way AMD wins with the miners

Gaymers BTFO

>>61899999
>CPU overhead
Just fucking stop this fucking meme.
The card performs WORSE than Fiji WITH 40% higher clocks.

>Name your architecture after 5th brightest star in the sky
>it is hot as hell.
Hmm, really makes me think

>>61899678
Source sauce of all review links:
https://videocardz.com/71915/amd-radeon-rx-vega-64-vega-56-review-roundup

SO BASICALLY
>OVER A YEAR LATER AFTER 1080
>JUST BARELY MATCHES 1080 PERFORMANCE
>FOR NEARLY TWICE THE POWER CONSUMPTION
>HOTTER THAN SATAN'S ANUS
>MORE EXPENSIVE THAN CURRENT 1080 CARDS
>ONLY TO BE BLOWN OUT OF THE WATER AGAIN IN Q1/Q2 2018 WITH THE NEW 1100 NVIDIA SERIES
>PRETTY MUCH ONLY GOOD FOR MINING, BUT ASICS FOR EHTERIUM ARE COMING SOON SO WHO GIVES A FUCK

AMD FAGS ON

S U I C I D E

W A T CH

>>61899945
>Vega DESTROYS GTXes at productivity
Because of drivers

>>61899900
This results are only in 1080p and he flat out said that it looks odd but after running test for two times, he got same results

>>61900013
stupid /v/idiots deserve no GPU amirite pajeet

>>61899999
>>61900000
Witnessed

>>61900035
Thanks!

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>>61899641
Doa
O
A

Amdrones aren't cause it's a fucking shit

>>61899986
It was out of stock as soon as it was listed, Amazon and Newegg listed all of them as unavailable as soon at 6AM hit pst.

>>61900022
You are fucking retarded. It doesn't perform worse than Fiji in other games. It's 25% faster on average across all games tested. It performs identically in an extremely CPU-intensive game because both cards are fucking CPU bottlenecked and neither can achieve their full performance. That's why they're all fucking bunched together within margin of error. This is due to AMD's driver being garbage and eating up CPU time. An issue that's been known about for fucking years.

Go back to /v/, you tech-illiterate filth.

>>61900012
you bought the wrong vega

>>61900013
AMD wins but you lose.
Hurray I guess.

>>61899945
>Has anyone noticed that amd's current generation is made for actual people and not weeb manchildren?

Productivity market is small
Gaming market is big

People believe AMD tried get out gaming markets are retarders.

How did AMD succeed with Ryzen but fuck up Vega so much?

>>61900038
>PRETTY MUCH ONLY GOOD FOR MINING
Nah, performance the same as 1080ti and consumes more memory, making it worse card in that regard.

>>61900051
kill yourself

>>61900070
>People believe AMD tried get out gaming markets are retarders.
Your english looks even more retarder than them.

>>61899835
Pure dumbasses buying this card, Only the 64 is for sale correct? If so, I'm laughing my ass off that people have swarmed these release prices. No way i'm touching a video card pulling 400W+ that goes for nvidia as well. Seems these dumbasses are forgetting about 7nm process that's right around the corner.... No one is gonna want this 14nm housefire bullshit down the road. For a CPU that pulls half the wattage of these GPUs, it's not that bad going with 14nm but going 14nm at these insane prices is idiotic.

LMFAO (Sold out)

>>61900074
Money and time.
GCN should die already, jack-of-all-trades uarch never works.

>>61899822
Fuck off gamer tard

>>61900074
Ryzen is a failure too

In all seriousness V56 seems alright compared to a 1070, too bad you'll never find one for $400 in actual reality.

>>61900012
Fake it was not even listed on Newegg at 6:18 I was constantly refreshing.

>>61900074
Money, Ryzen had taken the bulk on R&D budget while GPU division was working on Polaris, cheap card to make some profit.

>>61900095
your a failure too

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>costs $50 more msrp
>performs the exact same at the target resolution

wow amd, gg

>>61900066
nope, my vega is on the way

>>61900091
>jack-of-all-trades uarch never works.

That's exactly what Nvidia is doing with Volta

>>61900097
was it ever in stock? I had a rss feed but forgot to check it. I don't have money regardless.

>>61900070
>retarders

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>>61899641
THEY LOCKED THE FUCKING BIOS I AM SO MAD. I WAS GOING TO BUY VEGA STRICTLY BECAUSE I ASSUMED IT WASN'T GOING TO BE LOCKED OUT FROM OVERCLOCKING LIKE PASCAL.
GPU overclocking is fucking DEAD. Both companies are now totally locking you out of controlling your own hardware.
Pascal bios is locked down and gpu boost 3.0 fucks you even if you hardmod. Now vega 56's power limit and voltage is locked down as well.
Even intel doesn't do this shit. I could melt my 6600k right fucking now if I wanted to.
I guess I am never going to upgrade from my 980ti.
I can not fucking believe they did this.

>>61900119
No, since GV100 and cucksumer cards are separated.

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>>61900109
Hmm

>>61900109
56 is the only vega you should be buying, even then you are waiting until the end of august to get it

>>61899945
Real working ppl use Quadro
More news soon

>>61900088
I know the 56 is much better value, but I've had a 750Ti for too long

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>>61900038
>1080 PERFORMANCE
They wish, can't even match it in AMD poster child games.

>>61900095
>Ryzen is a failure too
Where the fuck are you pulling this from?

Ryzen single-handedly:
-Saved AMD
-Popularized a new CPU design in the x86_64 designers
-Made Intel shit themselves just because they completely forgot what competition was
-Pulled a fair bit of the major data processing giants as partners

I can't find anyway this makes Ryzen a failiure

On the other hand, V56 is maybe okay as a 1070 competitor, V64 makes no fucking sense.

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How much have the drivers for the 480 actually improved? That was a huge deal when the 480/1060 wars were going on.

Volta DOA

>>61900127
Vega 56 is pretty good

>>61900097
I personally saw it in stock at around 6:03 PST
Liquid cards were all sold out before that.
Most 64 cards instantly sold out, only sapphire, gigabyte and powercooler lasted 5 minutes.

>>61900150
Around 13%

>>61900125
Get fucked.

It was surely for secure boot and not to prevent RMA's at all.

>>61900127
Better texture streaming VS better render pipeline, that's what HBCC does :/

>>61900144
>54.9 vs 56
>CAN'T EVEN MATCH
What?

>>61900150
No, drivers won't fix a plethora of bottlenecks Vega has.
It's DOA.
Too late, too big, too hot, extremely underperforming.

>>61899822
tflops are just the measure of the fastest instruction of the video card being repeated over and over and says nothing about the OTHER instructions.

>>61900127
V56 is the only one decent, not even a housefire like the other Vegas either.

AIB cards should be nice.
inb4 they're $500

>>61900150
Look at
>>61900109
No significant improvement

>>61900127
>6.3% increase in performance
>13.4% increase in price

yeah...

fucking miners reeeeee I'll never be able to buy any cards

>>61900170
And out of stock too, there is no Vega

>>61899822
B O T T L E N E C K S
Vega has more bottlenecks than Fiji, and that was already really-really bad in that regard.

FUCKING MINERFAGS WILL RUIN EVERY GPU'S PRICE ONCE AGAIN

>>61900150
Nigga I've been using a sapphire 290 since launch and it's only improved in performance to near 980 levels over the years with every new driver.

>>61900178
v56 announced 399$
Cheapest 1070 on amazon is 450$

>>61900150
>wait 15 months for gpu
>wait another 5 for a 10% perf uplift from drivers
>celebrate with me mates from /r/amd how we are finally destroying nvidia by 5%
>sweat profusely in my unexpectedly hot room and cry about power bill
>hang myself a month later when volta drops

>>61900186
As if the 1070's arent' overpriced at the moment

>>61900188
In the long run, mining is unsustainable on new GPUs.

>>61900197
>announced

>>61900095
Nobody buys Intel anymore

>>61900200
>volta drops
You mean in 10 months? Enjoy your long wait than Vega.

Eh, good enough to keep ATI floating and pay for the HBM2 technology, but they better bring out the A game next time.

>buy vega
>piss of amdrones because no stock
>piss of nvidiots for going team red
life is ducking great right now

>>61900186
Here's dilemma AMD is facing
>Price Vega at lower price than nVidia, face with same problems as HD3xxx-HD7xxx had, being called cheap card
>Price Vega at same price as nVidia, People will say that it's not worth the improvement over Fiji

>>61900167
1080 FE stock clocks, i.e underclocked by 500 mhz. Out of the box Gaming X for instance does 63 fps on hitman 4k, vega doesn't have even close to the headroom to jump that much.

Hey /g/ how do we stop miners pushing up prices?

>>61900213
It's not ATi. Everyone relevant from ATi left or was fired in 2010-2011.
It's a skeleton crew.

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Its staying at its power target quite faithfully, so thats a huge improvement. AMD has made massive strides in their PowerTune IP, even at these comparatively high clocks in the GCN family.
It does however seem the GPU is enormously memory bottlenecked however. The performance at launch is paltry for this level of power consumption. If this isn't remedied with drivers or BIOS then there is a massive architectural issue at fault here.

>>61899962
Stock cards and shitty release drivers as usual.
Will be interesting to see how much Vega will gain in the next months.

>>61900212
No need, I've been enjoying my 1080 for these past 15 months.

>>61900224
I don't even think you realise how dumb you sound right now.

>>61900123
I didnt see a single one in stock.
>>61900163
How, I was constantly refreshing Newegg and amazon for 10 min and I didn't even seen any listed.

>>61900223
You need to be cheaper and more efficient to win the gaymen market.
Vega is not that.
At all.
>>61900235
Vega10 is DOA for gaymen, they can trim it to 2.5K ALUs and it would perform the same.

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>>61900165
Void the warranty, trip something once someone does it. I don't care. Why can I melt my ryzen and not my gpu? I am so sick of being sold things at full market price and it feeling like a lease.
I ENJOY overclocking and tinkering and benchmarking and it is the primary consideration in gpu after performance bracket. Vega 56 was going to be the ideal card to throw in a custom loop or mod a fat fucking 360mm aio on and have fun with.
Now GPUs are totally locked down and nvidia has even gone so far to fool people into thinking it's for the best. "They're not locked down! We just push them as far as they can go out of the factory!" Ignore the fact that every single 1060 on the face of the earth goes to 2150 which means they're limited to a point below where even silicon lottery matters.
Cell phones are locked the fuck down too. Buy a phone and can't root it, buy an iphone and can't install whatever software you want.
Can't wait for intel to volt lock K series cfl-s at 1.3 because fuck the goyim.

>>61900226
just buy a 1070. you can find them around 400 now

>>61900243
>playing at 1080p

Enjoy your eye cancer

>>61900178
>>61900140
I don't know how you can say the 56 is decent but not the 64 when the 56 still consumes more power than the 1070, its main competitor.
The power consumption is garbage on both.

>>61900235
They have to up their color compression game.

>>61900226
in a nutshell, you don't. After Bitcoin got taken over by ASICs, newer coins were specifically designed to favor GPUs.

>>61900252
>You need to be cheaper and more efficient to win the gaymen market.
AMD has proven that wrong, all you need is marketing, shit loads of marketing. That was always nVidias way.

>>61900250
I was constantly refreshing and did see it

>>61900245
not an argument.

>>61900241
I remember the times when I thought AMD fans were going 'JUST WAIT FOR x' was just a meme
But goddamn, to keep saying it after it's dropped...
How often do you have to be disappointed to jump shit

>>61900266
Not exactly.
Maxwell won nVidia the market. Because it was so efficient.

Could I RMA my 750ti for a 1070

>>61900277
Partner GPUs next month probably, and they will sell out just as quickly. If they haven't already (there's a few threads showing Newegg already sold out)

>>61900253
Tbh it has become more niche, but with magisk it's perfectly possible to root some smartphones without problems

>>61900277
AMD has huge cult following, at this matter it doesn't matter if they even fail, number of people will keep them alive.

problem is that nVidia has bigger cult following.

>>61900252
>AND kicked nvidia's ass in those for 5 years like a decade ago
>only hit like 37% marketshare

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>>61900224
you have no idea how Nvidia overclocking actually works these days. Stock boost is already very high, which means there is little room for OC.

>Maximum overclock of our sample is +453 MHz to the GPU's base clock, which increases max Boost from 1898 MHz to 2114 MHz (11% overclock)
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_1080/30.html

I'd buy this new Vega 64 card if it wasn't so damned power hungry. Vega 64 beats out my 980ti as well as having proper a-sync capabilities for DX12 titles. Plus I have the option of Freesync rather than paying the Jew tax of G-sync. But a card with almost 300w usage stock will prove to be a noisy housefire regardless of the cooler attached. This would all be well and good if it were performing in the level of a 1080ti, but it's not. It seems more suited to trading blows with the 1070, which is sad.

Hopefully this is all due to the memory bottleneck and is fixed via BIOS updates or something. I was looking forward to Vega as I already have Ryzen. An all red PC is something I want.

>>61900288
Haha what? People "upgraded" to a 980 over a 780ti, complete fucking madness.

Specs are irrelevant, performance is important but doesn't matter to the majority of the market.
Marketing is everything.

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>>61900277
At least GPU performance improvement doesn't stagnate after 6 months or so.

>>61900297
i think fanboyism regardless on which side has more of them, is bad at core.

i looked at sweclockers forum and it's 50/50, people saying "go team red", and "AMD is finally back!" etc etc

>>61900288
No, Maxwell didn't win market, Fermi did.
and Fermi is notoriously shit chip.

>>61900303
That's why you need good marketing department to sell GPUs to consumer.
Catchy slogans, all that.

>>61900235
Looks like Vega 64 might actually be a complete wash.
They can push Vega 56 for the value prospect, but that won't last long. Nvidia's GTX 1080 and 1070 have been out so long they could slash prices at any point.

AMD needs a hard fix or they're going to be irrelevant on the high end until they have 7nm parts come out late next year. Genuinely bad news for AMD. Even the original Fury was positioned better than this. Vega 64 is super far behind the GTX 1080 ti.

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well as expected 56 is the winner here.
two good things
1. it is faster than 1070 by about 7-10% amrgin, in AMD favored games it's near 1080 like doom or BF1
2. it is within the spec 210-230w TDP is good.

on the side note it beats heavy OC AIB 1070 in timespy by a decent margin

64 and 64 liquid are weird products, just like 1800x, but I guess they are low volume

personally looking to get 56 to replace 390

>>61900277
The truth is the truth: nVidia has good stock coolers, AMD does not. We saw this with every launch since the 7xxx days.

So nVidia launches are generally better, because you can buy the cards straight away. This might hurt to hear, but you need third-party cards when you buy AMD.

>>61900074
Intel sat on their asses for 6 years, Nvidia hasn't.

>>61900258
it's +50w and performs about the same, out of the whole vega lineup it's the only acceptable choice.

perf/watt is acceptable. not THE BEST, acceptable.

>>61899900
AMD is probably downgrading VQ again to fudge benchmarks

>>61900325
Anon Navi is also based on Vega.
Even 7nm node jump won't save it from being another disaster.

>>61900297
nvidia just has every oem contract in existence. not really a cult following.

>>61899641
>it fucking flopped


AMD FAGS ON SUICIDE WATCH

I FUCKING KNEW IT ALL ALONG IT WOULD FAIL HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>61900313
This chart is so fucking shitty
>Performance deficit increased 337% over 11 months
The only reason you would calculate and write the numbers like that is because you're a huge fucking shill.

>>61900318
I actually didn't mean this to be AMD vs nVidia, I was saying that if nVidia would fuck up with Volta, and AMD would do amazing job with Navi, more people would buy nVidia card than AMD one.

>>61899926
Oh, they're HOT alright :^)

Holy fuck how long does it have to take until we have decent cards? AMD shitty launches, NVIDIA gimps.

>>61900362
navi is 2019

SAY IT WITH ME AMD KEKS

WAIT FOR NAVI

>>61899822
>game specifically built for amd hardware performs better on AMD

who'd of thought?

https://www.computerbase.de/2017-08/radeon-rx-vega-64-56-test/


SR-IOV enabled on Vega, Nvidia is finished and bankrupt.

>>61900371
AMD is never going to have good consumer cards again unless they abandon the GCN.

>>61900353
Maybe you are right, I was thinking about it but couldn't really find any retail vs oem card sold.

>>61899945
Is that why a bunch of NEETs on /g/ shill AMD 24/7? Surely you aren't implying AMD fanboys do any kind of actual work.

I'm gonna wind up buying this in preference to anything Nvidia even if it's hotter, harder to get ahold of, and similar or worse price, just because I'm so mad at Nvidia for putting spyware in their drivers and for not giving a rat's ass about proper (i.e., free) Linux support

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>>61900357
Hhehe, you sure showed them anon.

>>61900360
The fact remains NVIDIA cards age like shit as opposed to AMD cards.

>>61900365
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_radeon_rx_vega_56_8gb_review,10.html

they are not hot at all, for some magic reason
thermal performance is very good
that's stupid blower of all things

In b4 Nvidia price cut of $100.

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>>61900296
Yeah I'm sure I have just owned a few where it was not possible even though it was not financed. Either way the smarat phone thing was just an example of the trend. Too pissed the fuck off to even think of another example.
I love the 980ti I have, its awesome. I would buy the 1080ti in a heart beat but the fact that I can OC a $680 asus turbo and a billion dollar lightning Z exactly the same amount(10%) regardless of the improved PCB and maybe even silicon is a no go.
There is concrete proof of GPU Boost 3.0's behavior. If you push the pascal cards past the 10% limit with harad mods it actually REDUCES PERFORMANCE. Nvidia has b& everyone from allowing customers to modify voltage in software. The tools exist but are only given to "extreme overclockers" and they have IDs attached so they wont be leaked.
I just want a GPU that I actually have control over. It pisses me the fuck off that this has happened. There is no reason for it. They don't lock down CPUs like this so why is it happening with GPUs.
This is exactly the same as intel shipping the 8700k with voltage locked at stock but leaving the multiplier unlocked, calling "CPU Boost 3.0", and convincing the fan boys they "don't scale with voltage and are pushed as far as they can go out of the factory."
I am a red hot ball of rage. I really really wanted a vega card.

>>61900352
Theres some memory bottleneck they're having that Nvidia apparently isn't despite using the same HBM. Maybe its ultimately related to AMD's ROPs, pixel throughput is still low.

They absolutely have to address that or theres no reason at all for them to waste a penny on Navi. This is actually a devastating issue for AMD's RTG. Compute performance is there, but when it comes to actual graphical workload the performance dries up.

Any reviewers tested Vega with Threadripper/Ryzen?

>>61899641
just pump more cards out and lower the price pls
i just want a good card for my first build

Will my 650 Watt powersupply be enough for this? These 400 Watt ratings and whatnot are scaring me. I have an i7 6700k overclocked to 4,3 GHz.

>>61900399
That would be a good move for everyone.

>>61900399
if they do i'd jump a 1080ti

>>61900088
The "dumbasses" snapping them all up are miners, a task at which it smashes anything else on the market by a considerable margin.

>>61900395
You could also say 'AMD is too fucking incompetent to write actual drivers for their cards on release'
But please, keep on buying cards hoping you'll get an 5% boost two years down the line

>>61900419
you need 750

>>61900383
>I was thinking about it but couldn't really find any retail vs oem card sold.

what?

>>61900385
Exactly, AMD blew every single advantage they had with vega:

*high power consumption
*locked fucking bios (motherfuckers can't keep their fucking bios flash open fucking pieces of indian shit)
*>1070 PERFORMANCE

Maybe they please with a 50$ lower price than a 1070, but you'd just pay that in two month of power bills

>>61900304
They use fe for their comparisons, which has a conservatively low boost clock compared to aib versions. I wasn't even using manual oc numbers which would be another 8-10% for a gaming x and push it around 68 fps.

>>61900408
They need to go the moar ROPs way.
LIKE HOLY FUCKING ATI STARTED THROWING MOAR ROPS FIRST.
WHY DONT THEY DO IT AGAIN?

>>61900419
64 Air TDP is 295 watts, if you're seeing numbers in the 400s it's probably a whole-system measurement. 56 is 210 watts, but you can't buy it yet. if ever.

>>61900399
i'd buy 1070 for $300, right fucking now without a second thought

>>61900292
you could try it. I rma'd my Nano and got 1070 in return year ago

>>61900419
One reviewer said a good 650w will be enough

>>61900433
to support this hypothesis, that nVidia just sells more OEM cards and that is the reason why it's so popular, you would need to find the numbers.
But I couldn't find this numbers so your hypothesis cannot be proven wrong or right.

>>61900435
considering there's fuckall out there that can challenge even a 970 I think it will be safe to wait a year, maybe invest in a large 4k display in the meantime, and pick up a vega64 in like a year when the price plummets/get a cheap as fuck burned out one from a crypto fag and enjoy yourself some 4k

>>61900412
obviously not, but expect it to have slightly better dx12 perf on ryzen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5YJsMaT_AE

>>61900443
TDP isn't power consumption.
Also if it never exceeded 295, it wouldn't need two 8 pin power connectors

>>61900419
guru3d measured 56 at 230w and 64 at 300
says 550 is enough for 64, if it's at least bronze I agree

>>61900469
Toms' German group of buddies probably do the best power consumption measurements.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-radeon-rx-vega-64,5173-17.html

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>>61900022

I know this is bait, but seriously, I can't take anymore of this.
>>>/v/, either actually LEARN informatics or fuck off.
I'm sick, physically and emotionally sick, of your incessant shitposting.
If you don't understand a topic, don't comment on it.
Linux is the furthest away from being obsolete compared to the proprietary and bricked shitfest that is Macintosh software and hardware, or the banal and bloated botware of Micropenis.
If you want play your shitty AAA games (in which they don't even bother anymore), rather than actually contribute to intelligent technology related discussion? That's great.
But newsflash!
We have a containment board for that rubbish:
>>>/v/
>Go home!
>Picture very much related, it is you trying to browse and understand TRUE /g/threads.

>>61899957
Finewine is a meme. Only reason AMD was able to squeeze more performance out of 2xx is because their drivers had notoriously high CPU overhead and they were able to bring it down a bit after working on Omega for a year. No longer are you going to see gains like that with DX12 and Vulkan.

>>61900399
>gpu price cut
>current year
They'll just rise volta and navi price to make the current gpu price "good".

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>>61900443
Okay yeah, I'm stupid. Thought this was for just the card. I assumed it consumed more because of boost clock and load and whatnot.
>>61900448
Noice. I'll just try that then. Assuming I can get a Vega obviously.
>>61900474
It's gold.

>>61900346
That is a fuinny way tot ry and spin a well known nvidia tactic.
It's "le bad drivers" all over again

>>61900442
They need to, but I fear this would send complexity through the roof. Higher clocks should have helped, but its clearly not enough.

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>>61899685
>>61899681
>>61899765
>>61899770
>>61899911

>based on day one prices
>based on day one drivers
>based on day one reviews from certified Nvidishill review sites

get a load of these suicidal nvidicucks

>>61900460
I was hoping for Adored but he hasn't posted yet

>>61900423
Not for AMD it wouldn't, it would literally, not joking here, bankrupt radeon technologies.

As much as nvidia want to beat RTG, they can't afford for RTG to go bankrupt and sell off the graphics IP they have.

>>61900451
nVidia sell a lot integrate motherboard graphics in era windows vistas, non shit iGPU from Intel destroys it,now nVidia goes to laptop gaming market and AMD power hungry Vega avoid AMD begins competente

>>61900446
There were some that flirted with $300 at a few months ago as well as 1080 for $400. You fucked up, dude.

>>61899945
SHOW ME ONE single fucking productivity benchmark in this cluster fuck gaymen review day. Show me one benchmark that shows Vega competing with Nvidia on compute task. Show me one fucking demonstration that the FP16 pipeline is even accessible. You brainlets keep screaming productivity yet Radeon nor its cabal of reviewers have shown a single way in which these cards compete on compute. GTFO.

I dont hold the same view for AMD proper (CPU division). They have their shit together. It's the Radeon group they need to clean house on... That's what happens with acquisitions... The shit comes over with them.

>>61900325
You really believe amd can deliver any gpu next year that isn't a rebrandeon?
They already sweat several years to deliver this shit no way they can deliver a proper arch next year.

>>61900510
probably, you'd ahve to be stupid not tog et 1070 for it's real price, before nvidia jewing midrange into hihgend pricing
the days when 970 was only 320....

FUCKING NIGGERS ACCORDING TO GERMANS THE FAGGOTY PAJEETS STILL HAVENT ENABLED FUCKING PRIM SHADERS REEEEEEEEEEE
HOKY SHIT THE CARD CHOKES FROM OVERDRAWN TRIANGLES
BEST LAUNCH EVER

>>61900451
what numbers? everyone already knows that the vast majority of pc's that are sold are in the form of prebuilts. it's also very well known that nvidia made tens of millions of dollars from oem contracts alone back in the fermi days even though the gpu were housefire tier. the same hasn't changed one bit to this day. nvidia is like the samsung galaxy of the phone market and amd is like those unknown chinese brands like huwai or whatever they fuck they're called

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>>61900503
>J-just

W A I T
A
I
T

>>61900487
>Volta

More like a Pascal refresh with slightly more performance at the same price. There's no incentive to release Volta with Vega.

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>>61900436
FE overclocks just the same as any other Pascal card. ~2100Mhz is what you can expect, which is about 8-13% above stock FE performance.

>>61899670
This it's a POS.

Fuck sake a 1070 and fury/56 Vega are barely faster then my 390x like what the fuck are and doing?

>>61900521
http://www.anandtech.com/show/11717/the-amd-radeon-rx-vega-64-and-56-review/17

>>61900518
that was before the crypto golden age

>>61900518
>everyone lives where I live

>>61900521
https://youtu.be/OU5kcRUpEks?t=3m15s

RYYYYYYYYYYYS YOU NIGGER WHERES PRIM SHADERS

>>61900012
cant believe people are actually buying this trash

>>61900543
You have loads of assumptions in your post.
Computer sales have been dropping for a decade now, Computer hardware sales were rising for 5 years or so.

But even if you are correct saying "Everyone knows" is not proof, you need proof and that is what we lack.

>>61900542
cool, so 50% perf jump when it happens?
would be funny

>>61900495
Yeah, FP16 Demotion is really funny XD

>>61900565
Go away linus. We're discussing actual reviews here.

>>61899641
HOW'S THE HASH RATE, Mr. t.LEATHER JACKET MAN?

>>61900547
can't wait for you meme fags to go back to school in a couple weeks

>>61899641
soooo vega is just a die shirnk of fiji with more hbm better isa bigger pipeline and as always the always shitty amd refrence cooler!

>>61900578
>the poor volta thing turns out to be real

>>61900558
>>61900560
Sucks to be you guys :(

>>61900582
Doesn't change the fact that these are benchmark, these are numbers, denying it will just make you look more like a Nvidia shill

>>61899953
http://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3020-amd-rx-vega-56-review-undervoltage-hbm-vs-core

He didn't even bother reviewing the 64. AMD likely didn't even sample him on the 56. He indicated that he is purchasing the 64 with his own money to review it. His conclusion was that the 56 is just on par w/ the 1070 and that reference shouldn't be purchased unless it's liquid cooled. So, essentially, you're a dumbass if you bought 64 with $100+ markup today and I agree. The fact that these cards are soldout even w/ $100 markup shows how dumb and desperate people are. I aint mad. I'm hoping for nvidia price drops amidst the idiocy inline with a 2+ year old card. As for 56, I'm not touching that shit above MSRP because its not worth anything above $399 (nvidia territory pricing that offers far better performance/power util/Mature driver support). I had really high hopes for Radeon. I own to new Ryzen systems. However, given how this release occurred and how shit it is, AMD clearly needs to clean house. I have no doubt, given how lisa distanced herself from Radeon that she will ...

>>61900593
cooler apparently cools 56 under 70C, which is a first

>>61900592
Can't wait for you to fuck off back to >>>/r/eddit

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>>61900551
Performance goes to shit after a minute or two because of temps. So all those clocks to 2100MHz drops all the way back to near stock during benches unless you run the fan high enough (as in 100%).

>>61899736
the card is literally made for compute and general stuff but not gaming at all
i dont know why amd choose this path that time vega fe is on par with p6000 rx vega seems like it was made for miners instead of gamers

>>61900013
not sure with that power consumption

Nah this is a joke I waited 2 years when I could have got a 1080 at launch and would have been happy with it now I have to fucking wait for volta and Navi as the 1080ti is good enough for 4k 60-100fps and Vega 64 can't come close to 1080 oc level performance.

Fuck it all 300-500watt peak usage and shit thermals to boot I'm done.

390x was a good cars but and fucked up royally I knew it would be a Fiji xt on 14nm and I was right they even fucked memory bandwidth.

Gonna go ryzen 1800 + volta 7nm next year 2016-2017 been a bad time for GPUs in general

>>61900608
also about the firsts, vega is first amd card to keep powerdraw under 20w idle
they finally made proper underclocking

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>>61899992
LISA NEEDS TO CLEAN FUCKIN HOUSE !

>>61900542
is TBR turned on tho?

RYYYYYYYS YOU FUCKING NIGGER
WHERES MY PRIM SHADERS
YOU EVEN SAID THESE REQUIRE NO DEV INPUT YOU CUNT AND NOW RTG DISABLES THEM FOR LAUNCH
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>61900611
stay mad kiddo

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>>61900599
50%~ higher pixel fill rate
50%~ higher clocks

AMD has done absolutely nothing to improve their ROPs since Fiji, and that was one of the biggest limiting factors. They've relied only on pushing clocks higher to improve pixel throughput.
There is legitimately no reason for this. They could have achieved more practical performance uplift from leaving the whole front end alone and just fixing the back end and they wouldn't have needed to push clocks this high.

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>>61900599
>don't even watch the review
>FUCKING SHIIIIILLL AAARRGGHGGHGGH!!!
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE


lmao

>>61900013
AMD Radeon RX Vega 64
31,8 Mhash/s
Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 Ti FE
31,6 Mhash/s

>>61900012
LOL, jokes on you.
Buying reference air cooled for $100 markup on a shit power/heat/performance card. In a a way, I'm glad there's brainlets like you buying this out the gate. Hopefully you stay the fuck away from other vidya cards.

>>61899641
Absolute piece of shit. I'm actually a bit amazed, I thought 480/580 was the worst they could do, they proved me wrong again. What a fucking retarded company. Only ryzen is keeping them from bankruptcy.

>>61900642
Ya.
But what's the point as long as it chockes the triangles like Fiji but worse?
>>61900655
NVIDIA has fucking overkill fillrate.
Hell back-end was never the problem for Fiji.

>>61900674
Fiji was neck and neck with Hawaii in some metrics specifically because of the back end choking.

>>61900670
480/580 are good tho?

>>61900606
>So, essentially, you're a dumbass if you bought 64 with $100+ markup today and I agree. The fact that these cards are soldout even w/ $100 markup shows how dumb and desperate people are.

You're the only dumbass here, anon. They're being bought by cryptocurrency miners. Mining is the one thing Vega is extremely good at. It destroys a 1080 Ti for that purpose. Miners have been paying close to Vega MSRPs for RX 480s for a good while now, and those offer less than half the mining performance. Vega cards are extremely good value for mining purposes. That's why they sold out instantly. Not because of "desperate" gamers.

>>61899681
AMD had 8 extra months and couldn't even match the 1080 ti. I just don't understand how anyone can buy this shit.

>>61900674
so for TBR to make a difference it needs the primitive shaders active too?

>>61900686
so is it good or is it 31.8 like previously mentioned?

>>6190068
>>61900685
They are slower than my 390x

Literally a 290x oc from 2013 with 2012 tier performance

>>61900693
It makes no difference as long as front-end is choking full of triangles.
Its bigger Fiji.
Enjoy!

>>61900704
yeah, well they didn't cost 450 like 390x, did they?

I don't get it. So they released a GPU that can't beat nvidias lineup and is for the majority even inferior to same-priced modells. Why bother releasing it?

>>61900685
Only because they were cheap. Vega is absolute dog shit at those prices, but who cares, right? Miners will still buy them out and AMD knows it.

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>>61900039
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=RX-Vega-OpenCL-First
> MUH Productivity
> MUH Linux ready
> MUH OpenCL peformance less than a fucking 1050/Radeon RX 560
> MUH, doesn't even run most OpenCL test suites
> MUH fine wine

Amateur fucking hour !

Im buying vega 56 for 1080p 60hz hehe

>>61900705
Yikes can't wait for them to royally fuck up Navi and beyond as well.
>>61900719
So? At least I didn't overpay for it because of fucking miners

>>61900705
56 is kind of good though, it's faster than 1070 and slightly cheaper for now

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pls be drivers

>>61899770
It is clear that amd gave up on performance graphics and is looking to compete in only the mid and low end markets of the 1080 and 1070.

>>61900720
miners

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>>61899828
>[Higher is Better]

Do americans really need this explanation?

>>61900734
They didn't fuck it up.
The faggy abortions behind RTG drivers are still busy implementing shim for prim shaders.
FFS that's not how you fucking launch the GPU.

>amdrones so mad they're falseflagging cause they couldn't get a card
:^)

>>61900720
Better late than never.

Look at Nvidia Fermi those cards where like 2 years late as well.

Shame that was almost a decade ago and and haven't had a good GPU since 2013

>>61900749
yes. we are very dumb people how we became world superpower we don't even know

>>61900705
but let's say it was the other way around, with primitive shaders working instead, would TBR on/off make a difference in performance?

>>61900762
Fermi was 6 month late tho.

>>61899828
>1080p
>dirt
Kek. What us this 2010?

Call me when they decide to run a real game at a real resolution.

>>61900757
What's that exactly? Also what happened to their culling tech and other stuff ?

>>61900700
That would put it below an RX 580, anon. Do you think that's likely?

>>61900719
>>61900704
I bought my sapphire 290 for 200 bucks at the time and it still maxes just about everything. I think the 3xx 4xx and 5xx might be only 2-5 percent faster.

>>61900767
>we don't even know
Jews

>>61900705
but prim shaders is the front end, no?

>>61900743
Guru and others are mentioning that the press drivers they have aren't even a complete build. Guru noted that overclocking in Wattman did nothing.

There are some pretty clear driver issues present, but nothing is going to radically change. Vega64 isn't even close to taking shots at the 1080 ti. It'll probably end up being a hair better than the regular 1080 as drivers mature, but at this late in the game thats not much of a consolation.

>>61900770
Remember the Kekler -> Maxlel jump.
That's mostly it.
AMD still needs to work on DCC for Navi.

>>61899641
If I know AMD, after the shit launch people seem to go to drivers next, saying the new ones will fix it. (but they always lie and release a shit product, ever since bulldozer)

>>61900792
fucking jews

>>61900795
it is hair better than 1080, but only hair
so it all depends on your region pricing which to get

>>61900785
Prim shaders is exactly the way the cull the redundant tris.
Right now prim shader stage is busy emulating vertex and geometry stages (prim shader is a hardware shader stage).

>>61900779
Yikes that's nowhere near 17months
>>61900791
Pretty much.

Why the fuck they shrunk Fiji blows my mind it was their worst GPU by far and looks like Vega isn't any better it's still bottlenecked and memory bandwidth starved

>>61900038
>HOTTER THAN SATAN'S ANUS

>>61900125
> Vega
> Overclocking
Pick one.

>>61900148
V56 is the only card worth considering.
Even Radeon group knows this which is why they told reviewers to prioritize it over V64. The only thing I'm trying to understand is wtf this ship is doing in their professional cards like the instinct and what the professional driver/software stack looks like. It really seems like they gimped and tossed the shit pickings from the professional line to consumers and tried a Ryzen with the vega line. The only observation is that GPUs don't scale like CPUs in such a way and they fucking failed. Not to mention the shit show their driver/software stack is.

speaking of drivers, they didn't release vega drivers for masses yet right? hah

>>61900825
ITS NOT BANDWITH
ALERT
ITS NOT BANDWITH
THE FAGGY ABORTIONS CALLED RTG DRIVER TEAM ARE STILL BUSY IMPLEMENTING SHIM FOR PRIM SHADERS
FUCKING FAGGOTS

>>61900824
So it's just wait for dx11/12.1 support all over again? Nope fuck this I'm out gonna go get a 2080ti at launch

>>61900795
you're joking right? Do you really think the performance impact of turning on primitive shaders would be almost negligible?

>>61900849
APIs have nothing to do with new hardware shader stages.

>>61900843
Is this a new /g/ meme?

>WAIT SHIM 4 PRIM

>>61900840
>You can now download Radeon Vega 17.8.1 Beta 6 driver download. Attention, this beta revision 6 driver is intended for RX Vega graphics card only.

correction, they did but not really

>>61899868
No it doesnt. It costs only 10-20% more and gives 30-40% performance gains. When you AR looking to spend $400+ an exta 20% is nothing.

What kind of person can afford $400 but not $500? Why do you think there has always been budget cards (1050,1060), low end (1070) mid range (1080) and top tier (1080ti). NVIDIA understands the market. Amd just shit the bed in an attempt to survive long enough to release Navi.

>>61900843
Drivers can't fix fundamental problems with Vega tho it's still bottlenecked and memory bandwidth starved.

It has less bandwidth than fury x ffs
>>61900858
They literally had 2 years to write driver's for this turd then what the fuck are they doing? Jesus Christ the memes are truer than ever

>>61899828
>1080p

So AMD fanboys are fine with 1080p benchmarks now that this is the only benchmark Vega won in?

Fucking hell why did mommy even allow for this launch to happen?
At least FE was kicking major ass in werkstation tasks.
>>61900859
A forced one at best.
But I'd probably choke Rys with my own bare hands for that.

>>61899930
What the hell are you smoking that you think a titan actually costs $700? You can pick them up on sale for as low as $580.

will the primitive shaders help with older games too since it's hardcoded onto the gpu?

>>61900868
>what kind of person can afford $400 but not $500
The kind of person who has saved up $400 and not $500

>>61900795
yeap power managment is complete bullcrap atm
culling does nothing atm although its active
hbcc cant do its job because the culling is doing regression on the memory natively
there is a lot of stuff to be worked upon i wonder if the actual driver will fix them when they come on...

>>61900843
>ITS NOT BANDWITH
GN already confirmed Vega 56 benefits massively disproportionately from memory overclocking, proving that it is IS memory bandwidth. Unfortunately it seems NO ONE did the full B3D Suite of Vega 56 or 64 yet, so I can't look in more detail.

>>61900874
Fiji employed no bandwith saving techniques besides pretty simple DCC implementation.
Vega has DSBR.

>>61900875
what are you on about? 56 is 7-10% faster than 1070
64 is shit though only 1-2% faster than 1080

in all resolutions

>>61900879
Mommy had no control over GPU development

Raja is the shitstain that pulls AMD down.

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>>61900818
Techpowerup's average shows it slightly behind the 1080 for 1920x1080 gaming. Even at 2560x1440 the 1080 is shown to be 1% faster over all.

>>61900854
I'd love to be wrong, but I fucking doubt it. Memory bandwidth is lacking just like with Fury, and pixel throughput is still low. All the ALU throughput in the world won't matter if you're not drawing pixels to the screen fast enough.

Theres no way for this to be a 1080ti competitor. If Vega 64 could magically jump 25% in performance then the Vega 56 would end up trouncing the regular 1080. AMD would be telling reviewers to focus on the 56 if that were the case.

>>61900903
Raja literally assasinated Quadro live on SIGGRAPH tho.
The management can't fix every mook you know.

>>61900890
yes, but who the heck knows how much
it's all a mess right now

>>61900903
raja came long after vega was a thing...
navi is his true card

>>61900896
Who the fuck wants to wait 2-3 years for drivers to fix this tho? I did that with the 290 then 390x and now I am sure as fuck not waiting that long for Vega.

Just gonna go get a volta or something that isn't shit maybe a 2070 oc?

>>61899899
I remember when amd used to sell cards for $150. Guess they just gave up on the high end and the low end of the market.

>expensive
>hot
>higher power draw
>late release
>doesn't have the performance to back it up
Atleast the Fermi 480 had the performance.

>>61900749
>>61900749

They do. You always need to be extremely descriptive towards Burgers, hence why they changed and simplified so many words from British-English to American-English.

>pavement - Sidewalk
>horseriding - Horseback riding
>baking tray - cookie sheet
>dustbin - garbage can
>indicator - turn signal
>physiotherapy - physical therapy

>>61900868
>No it doesnt. It costs only 10-20% more
It costs 40% more than the 64 and 75% more than the 56. Basic maths, you dumb fuck.

>money is nothing and nobody has a budget
Unironically neck yourself.

>>61900904
>Techpowerup's
nvidiabutterup is not a valid source
I'll take GN over them.

>>61900923
It's not a fucking 2 or 3 years you moron.

Partner cards are usually more expensive than FE's right? The 56 will be around $450 if the miners don't buy them all out?

>>61899916
This, once you factor in the electricity cost difference you may as well just get the ti.

>>61899938
>He isn't running the new algo

>>61900954
you are overestimating 40w difference in electricity prices
it's really not that much as you think, we had this talk before, with accounting billings and such bullshit
it's negligible

>>61900937
By the time the Vega 56 and 64 aftermarket cards actually come out in Sept Oct that's like 20 months after Pascal and God knows how long for proper driver support.

Fuck this I'm out it's literally no better at 4k than a goddamn fury x oc a fucken 2.5+ year old card
>>61900948
I literally couldn't care less.

Thank fuck ryzen exists tho Intel Shar the bed hard

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>>61899670
>>Extremely high power draw
It's high, not extremely high.
>>Lots of fan noise
>>High temperatures
>>Throttling
Can be fixed with partners cards, undervolting.
>>Coil noise at high FPS
>>Fan does not stop in idle
Can be fixed with partners cards