Can humans give true random numbers?

>>61419568
They can't even give reasonable quality pseudo random numbers. Humans are horrible at being random especially older humans.

>>61419568
Yes if they use random stimulator like throwing a coin. If you prohibit doing anything and stop human from getting any sensational information - no (unless human starts using noise in what his eye sees as entropy source. Try closing an eye and pressing the eyeball for a quick example).

27, faggot

>>61419568
3
Can we shut down this shitty thread now?

Check this 3.

>>61419627
>>61419635
Must not be random, these two are the same

>>61419606
is that noise random tho?
>>61419591
>>61419610
>>61419627
>>61419635
>>61419653
shit distribution

3
easy peasy

>>61419663
>never give limits of random numbers
>complain about distribution
check this 88005553535

>>61419663
Interestingly thats actually static noise on the optical nerve, your brain filters it out mostly. Its random.

>>61419697
It's easier to call than shitpost on 4chan.

>>61419741
>>61419697
untermenschen

>>61419663
you can't tell if it's a shit distribution yet.

3

>>61419568
46987

>>61419568
3

Check my 3

>>61419568
Ask for a random number between 1 and 20 most people will say 17.

Because prime numbers look random enough.

>>61419806
That's odd
I'd say 3

Of course:

3

>>61419852
Half-Life 3 confirmed?

>>61419568
Yeah, just take a look at this 5

>>61419568

>>61419627
>>61419653
>>61419674
>>61419689
>>61419693
>>61419699
>>61419768
>>61419774
>>61419794
>>61419839
>>61419852
this is what you get for not calling srand

the fuck am I doing with my life

3 confirmed best random number

527333333880055535353346987333335322

Looks random to me.

>>61419901
>not recognising sameposts

>>61419568
2548
/thread

61419944

27

>>61419568
fuck you.

>>61419568
Can you even check if a number is truly random?

>>61420050
Yes. 3 is random. 4 isn't a random number though.

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>>61419932

>>61420050
No, you can only check the distribution of a set of numbers.

define random

even generators based on radioactive decay aren't truly "random" they're just unpredictable with our current understanding of physics

For the most part humans are quite deterministic.

>>61419568
One man can't. Two people can:
https://threatpost.com/academics-make-theoretical-breakthrough-in-random-number-generation/118150/

>>61419568
> is a legit unicode character

fucking seriously

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>>61420065
You were pretty unlucky senpai :(

>>61420191
Hey you! 4chan greps out emojis

>>61419568
5977

>>61420191
I though it was Undertale fanart.

>>61419568
I wanna fuck that emoji.

>>61420128
>threatpost
literally who?

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OH NO
HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN?

>>61420191
>his browser shows emojis

>>61420294
Not your favorite tabloid.

4746729279

>>61420320
>his browser doesn't support Unicode

Infinity.
>not using uniform distribution over real numbers

>>61420050
entropy, checking the source of the number.

>all these niggers with integer random numbers
Random numbers should be real and in the [0,1] range. Like this: 0.3

>>61420524
this

>>61420524
Here's a random number that your implementation cannot produce: 2

There's no such thing as "random".

>>61420524
>>61420539
t. non-programmers

unless you're doing graphics programming you usually want to stick to integers whenever you can

>>61420492
Infinity is not an element of the real numbers desu

>>61420549
rand()*2

>>61420565

wew we've found the determinist

look up some feminist lectures on youtube, that's all the random noise you need

>>61419663
Do you even know what random means?

>>61420596
determinism is the only belief that doesn't require an unsubstantiated leap of faith
that is to say next to the alternatives

Yes but you need to not know the number. If you decide to give a "random" number it's not random by default.

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>>61419663

61420674

>>61419568
no, there's no randomness in nature

>>61420649
Uhh, you're still accepting a dogma. Falsificationism is better, if you have balls to accept that "truth" doesn't exist.

>>61420667
WHOEVER COLOURS THESE HAS NO IDEA WHAT HE'S DOING
AT LEAST GIVE HIM THE TRANSCRIPT OR SOMETHING

>>61420649
Determinism is a spook.

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>>61420674

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>>61420705

>>61420712
he's not even holding his thumbs up

>>61420685
truth obviously "exists"

6828263982389361345926350629352523292522


that's about as random as i can get doc

the last 2 digits of this post
48

>>61420748
what the fuck

>>61420748
mother of dog

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>>61420748

noice

786 allahu akbar

>>61420688
>Colours
Get out, faggot.

Btw "-637192674929284774020395"

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>>61420748

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>>61420748
Yo, that's cash.

>>61420674
>>61420748
Literally the same

>>61420748
Amateur >>61420674

>>61419568
No. Our brains are naturally biased against large numbers.

So when humans give a "random number" there will be a large chance it will be a small number. Likely falling within few thousands.

>>61420688
Its colored by Adams himself though? I pulled it off his fucking site

>>61419568
6000000

>>61419568
0.524981

Let's give it a try
>>61421150

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>>61421150
nice

3
That was my best attempt

>>61421150
sick dude

>>61419568
It's harder to crack a humans RNG logic than it is a computers. That's for sure

>>61421150
scriptfag

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>>61421150
I'm impressed

>>61421230
what are neural networks?

>>61420948
A lot of cartoondrawers outsource the coloring because its generally just a waste of time

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>>61421150
SICK

>>61419568
Yes but not saying them.

Use something they can not control like blinking frequency, or amount of air intake, or heart rate, or simply ask them to move their hand randomly and track it (what GPG does).

34632746 gottem boyz

>>61421263
shit

e

>>61419568
why? yes. 3

>>61420611
lol, underrated as fuck

1488, there

>>61421291
in that case they really need to get their head of their ass

>>61421761
noice, here some random letters "HH" too

>>61419606
>throwing a coin
>random
fucking idiot

>>61421848
It's random enough.

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>>61421876
>2017
>not using atmospheric noise to produce random numbers
wait till someone figures out your number generating algo and jews you all out

>>61421989
How do you think a computer works? It's zeroes and ones, exactly the same as a coin toss.

here's mine
7uhnjhujhu76n
muh dick

>>61419591
Rolled by dice. Guaranteed to be random.

>>61422026
not random

>>61422179
Why?

>>61420524
a random number is either 0 or 1. You can make some of those into an integer.

>>61421989
>toss coin
>it's affected by atmospheric noise
>random confirmed

computers take "random" data from the environment they are in. Servers tend to be less "random" because they have less input data, and often use the data the internet is sending them, and can therefore be somewhat predetermined.

Humans are not much different. Without input, we freeze up, but since we usually always have the minimal input of our senses, we should be able to create a "random" integer, but brains are easy to deceive.

To be honest I wouldn't trust a human to be a random number generator. I'd rather have a semi-random machine.

>>61419568
to be random is to remove all predictability; it is near impossible to remove man's prediction among focused events.

>>61419568
No. Randomness is a myth everything is cause and effect.

>>61419568
As long as there is a limitation to the maximum number a person can think of (In reality, there always is), the probability if the number they chose can be calculated. Hence, it can never truly be random.

>>61419568
3

>>61420685
Not being able to know the truth does not imply it not existing.

>>61419568
3

How come when I generate bytes from /dev/urandom and extract ASCII number values, the distribution isn't uniform? Even for millions of bytes, some numbers appear more than others.

>>61422286
Everything in this post is wrong.

>>61422589
If something is true then it's not falsifiable. Duh.

>>61422661
urandom is pseudorandom. I think linux uses shitty algorithms if u use it. also how are you extracting - just 8 bits at a time?

>>61420731
This statement is not falsifiable.

>>61419568
8

5686378565356757893

>>61422825

>>61422767
this statement is true.

>>61422334
t. issac newton era physicist

>prepare electron with spin oriented in y direction
>measure spin oriented in x direction
>fifty percent chance second measurement will be spin up, fifty percent chance spin down

I spunk into my hand and smear it on the wall. Then I use a microscope to count the remaining sperm on my hand. That's how humans generate rando numbs

>>61422909
That's not even close to random. Ask google then verify it.

>>61422869
This is observational statement.

>>61422826
So close

>>61422695
>I think linux uses shitty algorithms
/dev/urandom is a CSPRNG, hardly "shitty".
>just 8 bits at a time
Yes, a byte at a time, but there shouldn't be a difference I don't think.

Check out my random number

make a robot that rolls dice and have a OCR record the data, problem solved

39563946374

>>61420685
I disagree, a lack of truth is a greater leap of faith than operating on the assumption of a truth. If you are solving an equation, would you first assume it's unsolvable?
From what we know of the universe, the closest thing to the truth is reality is deterministic because the universe has laws.
But as we come to know more this may change.

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>>61422227
please leave, summer. were full

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>>61422286
idiot

pseudorandom number generators are basically encrypted hard-to-find data

I can.
3

3
The problem with generating numbers using an obfuscated method like an organic brain is you can never be sure it's random or not.

>>61423555
for example:
it gets the time
let's say it's 4:20
it encrypts the 420th sector of your hard drive


there's your pseudorandom number

>>61422074

Not random. Just complex enough for our minds to think it's random.

1
2
34

>>61419568
the whole of these thread is wrong
the NEET with the atmospheric noise idea is kinda right
t. Google Engineer Berlin

>>61423904
>t. Google Engineer Berlin
proof please, write me an email in the internal system. You know where you can fine me!

t. Google Engineer Zurich, literally the only Italian one

>>61419568
783963651425374004939229

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>>61424220
No. I dont trust you. Sorry.

>>61424268
>implying I couldn't find you by the captcha logs

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>>61424288
>implying you have access

>>61419568
7

>>61422286
>computers take "random" data from the environment they are in
nigga wat

the random number generators that run on your computer use internal variables, like time.

>>61424484
Time isn't an environment?

>>61424533

three

>>61419568
Humans cannot do random, it has been studied.

>>61420649
absolute bs

http://www.hawking.org.uk/does-god-play-dice.html

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>>61419568
can computers?

Maybe the absolute value of the average of EVERY number ITT (including post number) will be more random of a dice roll
Also my last digit will tell if the absolute will be turned into a positive (even) or negative (odd) number

3

FUCK iT WoNt StOp

256688862565558865855558772588

the odds/even value mapped to [0,1], 0 odd, 1 even, of the number of times 3 is posted in this thread is most certainly random

nothing is random

5

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>>61420748
Witn--
>>61420674
WITNESSED

420 xd

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>>61420674
what

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>>61420309
Someone with a brain explain how this works pls.

Btw check my 3

>>61419568
>R34-ish pictures of this emoji have started to spreand among the boards

Please God have mercy on our souls.

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>>61420674

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>>61421150

under 10
>>61419591
>>61419627
>>61419635
>>61419653
>>61419674
>>61419689
>>61419693
>>61419699
>>61419768
>>61419774
>>61419794
>>61419798
>>61419839
>>61419847
>>61419898
>>61419908
>>61419919
>>61419938
>>61419952
>>61419968
>>61419994
>>61420042
>>61420059
>>61420167


under 100
>>61419610

very random
>>61419697
>>61419780
>>61419928
>>61419940
>>61419951
>>61420422
>>61420674

i dont know what to say
>>61420674


I have mixed feeling about randomnes in humans (even in computers) enviroment aftects randomnes ALOT, exposing a group to certain things will probably give a predictable number.
Most of those that answered with a number just got influenced by a faggot and ended up writing the same, then some wrote a random number but it was very short, from minus infinite to plus infinite chosing the first 100 numbers dosent look very random to me. Then we have the ones that typed larger numbers but their hands fucked the randomness very hard 345345 <-- not very random.

Duno OP, somthing is limiting us to achive the ultimate randomnes

is anything truly random though

>>61421848
You can easily get unbiased random numbers out of a biased coin. Rather than recording individual flips, instead record pairs of flips. Discard all HH and TT pairs, and count HT as heads and TH as tails. Even if the coin is biased, and, for instance, lands on heads 75% of the time, the probability that it will land heads then tails equals the probability that it will land tails then heads, since the previous result doesn't impact the next throw (ie, the coin throws must be independently and identically distributed, but they don't have to be fair).

Ta-da. Useful trick if all you have to flip is a rock, piece of wood, or a coin you suspect might be biased.

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>>61419568

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>>61420674
WHAT THE

>>61420042
678766677776555544332212343344555677899009087899988054534335547787664326789

>>61423588
34 is not a random number

I wrote 0-9 on some pennies. I shook them up
in a cup. I picked one. It gave me a "3".
100% random.

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>>61421150
>>61420674

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>>61420674
Wat

Why would the universe want to be random that's the stupidest fucking idea I've ever heard

You could have a nice deterministic shape, but noooo let's make it a clusterfuck that branches infinitely at every point in time instead

Who came up with that idea

>>61423588
delete this shit now.

>>61428228
back to plebbit newfag

>>61428581
I blame the Jews

>>61428581
It was me.
Sorry, I thought it would be funny.

Narro it doon to 73

>>61419568
65445354682

bashed my numpad.

>>61419697
Go back to VK, Dima

>>61419697
My brother died that way, faggot.

278901.1

>>61419568
I just randomly bash my numpad for throw away file names, but a lot of them are very similar/

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>>61429953
>What is randomize filename

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>>61419568
What are *true* random numbers?

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>>61429967
I'm not writing a batch file just to name my anime faces, you double nigger

1488

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>>61420674
Woah son

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>>61420674
GOD

8675309

pi = 3.1

>>61426730
3

>>61419568
What do you mean by "random"?
Not predictable or different in a specified way?
According to Dilbert, two consecutive identical numbers can be random if you can't predict that.

>>61419568
Of course.

Watch as I pull this 7.

>>61419568
Why can you use emojis in file names? How did we let it come to this?

>>61432355
Filename looks like a square to me

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>>61432366

>>61419568
Of course sweetie, my friends tell me I'm so RANDOM and FUNNY liek all the tiem,lol. Here, watch this. 99nevermind! LOL

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>>61420674

>>61420674
HANS GET THE LUGER

>>61432355
It's just a unicode character like any other

>>61419568
/b/

/thread XD

>>61419568
4729198

>>61419568
define true

>>61419568
3.14

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>>61420674
wat

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666

61432919

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>>61419568
>>>/b/

>>61419568
Only humans can give true random numbers.

8679845312

>>61419568
10

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>>61420674

700109854210350437930120254899
Pretty easy. Here i'll do it again.
50132

>>61420674
>not adding >> so it links to your own post

casual

>>61419700
my brain does a shit job at filtering, its constantly visible to me.

>>61419568
Who is this semen demon?

>>61434561

>>61434562

>>61434720

>>61419568
Yes I can, here you go:
https://www.random.org/

>>61434104
i have that too, it's like tinnitus but for your eyes

>>61435479

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You are not human

>>61432398
XD Lol!!

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>>61420674

>>61419568
724464168535535688500058421896900065225574463968975

>>61420667
>debian.png

>>61420674
Is it random?

>>61419568
the entropy of the heat radiating off my scrotum is pretty random

>>61432849

#define true 1

There, done.