/hpg/ - Headphone General

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>>61340427
Best girl

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>>61340427
Idol trash here.
What's your setup like, Anon?

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>>61340595
Hola.

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http://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews/sennheiser/hd-600

http://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews/beyerdynamic/dt-990-pro

>DT 990 Pro is rated better in all usage categories than the HD 600

>b-b-but rtings is """inaccurate"""

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>Budget
6 million shekels
>Location
Israel
>Source
Goyim tears
>Type of headphone
Jewish
>Open or closed
Ov(p)en
>Comfort level
Very comfortable
>Sound signature
Ideal for playing hava nagila
>Past headphones
Auschwitz deathphones

>>61340627
How long does it take for the DT 990 Pro to burn in and sound good? I got a pair fresh out of the box and they're sitting on my lap while I enjoy the sound and comfort of my HD598s significantly more.
I'm sure they get better with time/burn, but how long is this going to take?

>>61340659
Until it kills your hearing on the treble area. Then they'll stop hissing at you.
You should have gone for a neutral upgrade, Anon. Such as the HD600.
You can still return or resell your 990s.

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>>61340627
>rtings
https://www.head-fi.org/f/threads/beyerdynamic-dt990-250ohm-should-come-with-warning-label.853750/

>>61340659
>burn in
stop memeing about memes, you're in too deep.

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>>61340659
It will never have midrange response, hence it will never sound good.

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>>61340659
>>61340759
Your HD598 sound "significantly" better because they're significantly more accurate and because DT990 are terrible headphones.

>>61340659
https://www.innerfidelity.com/content/measurement-and-audibility-headphone-break
Dynamic drivers do not experience "burn-in." Changes in frequency response over time are attributable to physical changes to the earpads over time.

>>61340759
>>61340779
>Golden ears

>>61340714
I have the HD6xx on order, just wanted something new in the interim and the 990s were on sale.

>tfw I could get better headphone discussion on headfi than in this fucking thread
Nuke this all and start over.

>>61340821
I hope you don't kill your hearing in the meantime.
The HD650 being dark, you're not going to hear the treble at all after the beyerrape.

>>61340779
Shit compensation curve + heavy smoothing. Stop posting these graphs, you only make yourself look bad.

>>61340759
That FR shape... isn't this how Beats sound?

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>>61340821
>Going from the DT 990 to the HD 6xx

That's a downgrade.

>>61340876
You're memeing me, so let me fire back with a meme;
I want different headphones for different types of music.

>>61340876
>rtings
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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>>61340818
GE's old graphs were the best: done with a credible dummy head, sane, great-sounding treble compensation and flat bass compensation with their shitty retard niggerbass boost target superimposed rather than compensated in like on their newer, shittier compensated graphs.
>but muh smoothing
Only mildly reduces high-Q peaking. A trivial concern, and in some cases can remove dummy head artifacts non-representative of actual human ear canal response.

>>61340899
>innerfidelity
https://www.innerfidelity.com/content/innerfidelitys-wall-fame-over-ear-sealed

>M50x on the "wall of fame"

>>61340918
the ATH M50(x) are good headphones though

>>61340875
Beats are bass-heavy without the ear-raping Beyer treble.

>>61340959
So they're actually better than beyers? Cool.

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If sound quality and comfort are the only things that are essential for you, then get the HIFiMan HE-400i. They have planar magnetic drivers and open earcups that help them deliver a slightly better sound than the AKG K702 and the Sennheiser HD 650. This makes them the best critical listening headphone under $400, especially since they are often on sale for much cheaper than other headphones with an equivalent audio reproduction.

If you want Bass, why the fuck wouldn't you just buy Sony Extra Bass?

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>>61340875
Not quite.

>>61340913
The diffuse field curve sounds great from 20 to 1,000 Hz, but sounds too bright past that point. The old GE graphs were essentially diffuse field compensated from 20 to 1,000 Hz, but then featured a gentle treble reduction similar to that of the excellent ER-4S from 1,000 Hz to 20,000 Hz. A headphone on the old GE graphs would sound excellent, whereas flat headphones to the diffuse field or independent of direction curves will sound bright and flat headphones to the very flawed Harman target will sound dark. Those old GE compensated graphs really were extremely representative of a headphone's actual perceived sound.

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>Beyerposters
>Can accept the fact that people like different sound signatures
>Able to have an intelligent conversation about headphones

>Sennposters
>Unable to accept the fact that people like different sound signatures
>Unable to have an intelligent conversation about headphones

>>61340990
Don't they have zero quality control though, often coming with two left earcups?

>>61341038
>mentioning intelligent conversation about headphones in a post which is one giant ad hominem + strawman

>>61341038
If you don't consider my personal sound signature preference as the pinnacle of all things audio, you're a shit!!!
Yeah it's pretty pathetic t b h

>>61341038
What if you own both?

>>61341079
Are you able to accept that people like different sound signatures and can still make good recommendation to other people?

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>>61340724
>>61340876
>rtings

>>61341100
Prove that rtings is WRONG in their judgement.

Hint: you can't

>>61340990
Best soundstage I've ever heard desu, wider than even the K701. Treble is a bit uneven but after a bit of EQ, sounds amazing.

>>61341111
>if you can't prove this subjective criteria it means I win the argument
I see what you did there. Please stop shitposting.

>>61340990
I'm convinced that a properly modified HE-6 is a true end-game material but shame about HiFiMan's spotty QC.

>>61341130
>subjective criteria

rtings bases their ratings from measurements.

>>61341154
>rtings partially bases their ratings on measurements.
FTFY. You knew this, but chose to shitpost anyways.

>>61341184
>can't refute my point
>I've lost the argument so time to call him a shitposter

>>61341214
Anon, please. There is only one objectively correct sound, and that equals to the curve of the HD600. Everything else is garbage, you should know that by now.

Is there any reason to get a SHP9500 or K612 if I already have a AD1000X?

Just equalized out the Treble Spike on my Beyerdynamics and now they're perfect.

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>>61341150
>true end-game material

>>61341247
HD 600 sound for a fraction of the price, along with better build quality and comfort

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>>61341038
really makes you think hmm.

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What is the second best headphone behind the HD600?

>>61341252
okay but something a regular person can afford

>>61341338
50 grand? Sell your house and move back in with your parents.

>>61341336
HD598. You might think it's the HD599 but the 598 is better.

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>>61341150
Yeah, I could see myself wearing those. $1300 is about three times more than I'm willing to spend, though.

>>61341391
Poor af

>>61341391
>that treblerape

>>61341391
That's pretty hot in the treble for $1,300. That's almost Beyer-bad.

>>61341402
t. mud pro

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>>61341422
That's a regular 3 kHz peak with a high freq spark so you can accurately hear instruments. You can call it hot, just as hot as someone smashing cymbals next to your ear.

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We listened to our fans of the Sennheiser HD 600, and we're now very proud to introduce the Sennheiser HD 601

>>61341503
Wow...I didn't know Sennheiser could make such a neutral headphone

>>61341391
Stock version has rape-y treble hence the need for dampening. SBAF has an extensive HE-6 modding thread which should give a reference on what procedures to do.

>>61341546
>modding
just EQ it away, that's free

>>61341503
>Guys? Anything a dB over 2Khz is treble rape but our beloved second in command HD650 is garbage because muh bass is putting too much pressure on my eardrums, it's painful!

>>61341531
Still no bass and treble :^)

>>61341573
Anything over 0.2 dB, you mean. Sennheiser owners can tell the difference!

>>61341713
>50% accuracy with 87% confidence is totally passing a blind test
Idol Trash has good taste in headphones but he was being an idiot last night.

>>61341336
HD580

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>>61341838
Beating random (33%) with 87% confidence isn't a bad result, Anon.
0.2dB is too much if the result isn't equivalent to picking at random.

>>61342222
>inb4 settle for good enough

>>61342222
We have been over this. Random doesn't mean hard 33%, especially after only 16 tries. My random selection of buttons had a better accuracy and confidence than this guy who can totally hear the difference, but only 50% of the time.

>>61342222
>To pass a blind test, you will need to perform 10 trials at least, obtain a high score and reach a high confidence level: 95% is standard to rate statistical significance. It means that your score outperforms random guesses by 95%. There is still a probability that you just got lucky though, 5%. To reduce such probability to 1%, keep testing until you reached a confidence level of 99%.
Your continued damage control is making you look even more idiotic. Stop.

>>61342292
>by 87% not good enough
>by 95% good enough
>by 99% even better
>but stop right there.
Congrats! You got tinnitus.

>>61342315
Just admit you were wrong, anon. You're embarrassing yourself.

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>>61342384
Ironically, I can't go anywhere near that performance by picking the same answer 16 times. Spent last 10 minutes doing that :X
I do well to stay away from gambling.
>admit you were wrong
Yeah, I was. I should have continued or I shouldn't have posted non-conclusive results.

Still, the real mistake was to even entertain the idea that the performance of one component creating distortion below tolerance is ok. As if degrading the signal was ever ok. Every subsequent component is going to do that to some extent, and somebody's gonna have to listen to the result at some point.

There's only misery, and expensive cables.

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>>61342593
0.2 dB of deviation at 20 Hz and 20 kHz is OK and not going to cause audible problems further down the chain with any competent amp. You're still wrong. Deal with it.

>>61342593
Oh yes, because not having a -0.2 dB change at 20 and 20k Hertz is a justifiable reason to spend more money on sound equipment.

>>61342645
It is if you have autism.

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>>61342593
As long as umi still sounds good~
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqNbcgbXaCM

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>>61342669
It's possible to live with autism.
Source: Me.

>>61342693
>spend hundreds of dollars on audio equipment to listen to this trash

Explain to me why I should not buy a pair of HD6XXs.

>being idoltrash
returned my HD600s so I wouldn't be associated with their kind.

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>>61342793

>>61342796
>hating on idols
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder

>>61342797
Ok, what about if I treat my headphones with care?

>>61342843
*snap*

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>>61342843
>Mudheisers

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Is this acceptable channel matching for $150 headphones?

>>61342793
HD600 are better.

>>61342904
To be far, they look like they're having fun.

>>61342793
You could get better headphones (HD600) today, cheaply.
Why wait half a year for the less accurate riff-raff oriented version?

>>61342920
Measurements are not definitive representations of channel matching since very slight movements of headphones on a head/dummy head change frequency response.

>>61342797
This will never happen if buyers follow these instructions the moment they get their new HD600/650/6XX: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNxK-NwSR5U
This will greatly alleviate stress placed on the headband during use, preventing stress fractures.

>>61343016
Snapheiser is a well known troll with an interesting backstory to him.
He used to be a decent human being, but at some point he destroyed his hearing with beyer headphones. When at long last he got a hold of HD600, it sounded dark to him.
Then he snapped. Again and again. Taking pictures each time. Then shitposting on /hpg/. This is his life, now.

>>61343016
>Sennheiser refuses to fix a well known fault after 20 years of production forcing people to spend 90 dollars every time they want to fix their snapped headbands

Is there any way to make open back headphones closed? Like some kind of peripheral or attachment?

I bought a pair of open backs but I just learned about sound leakage and that to me is kind of a deal killer. I really like all the other benefits of open backs, but I don't want other people listening to what I'm listening to.

>>61343116
>headbands exist
>they can be snapped
>thus it's no surprise there are pictures of snapped headbands.
>snaphater discovered one such picture
>*snap*
>snapheiser troll is born

>>61343172
Modding open headphones to be closed will absolutely destroy their sound quality.

>>61343206
Not if the sound quality is shit to begin with.

See: HD600

>>61343232
>hd600
>shit
*snap*

>>61343206
I just want it to be closed in certain situations like when I'm riding the train/subway and I want it to be open when I'm doing things like gaming.

I want that "on the stage" sound with the benefit of being able to hear things around me. I just don't want others to hear what I'm hearing.

>>61343269
the solution is to get two different headphones

there's a version of the HD598 that literally just caps it closed off with no other adjustments to the design. guess what people think about it?

>>61343327
598Cs
>guess what people think about it?
Absolute garbage
>that literally just caps it closed off with no other adjustments to the design.
Doesn't it use the drivers of HD380 Pro?
In any event, they managed to make it absolute garbage.

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>>61343327
That's not a 598 though. Those use 380Pro drivers

>>61343191
I don't see any photos of snapped AKGs, Audio-Technicas, Audezes, HiFiMANs, Beyerdynamics out there.

What are the SHP9500s of closed back headphones, /g/?

>>61343360
With much more niggerbass than the HD380 Pro (which are already bassy).
Maybe it was an experiment? To see how people reacted to niggerbass.
Either that or Sennheiser don't know what they're doing anymore. Been too long since 1997, and yet.

>>61343433
Status CB-1

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km1u6bq__rA

Can someone please explain to me the difference between a $50 pair of earphones (in ear) and $200 pair? I have decent headphones but want a pair of earphones for jogging etc but don't know if there is any point buying a more expensive pair.

>>61343622
>for jogging
No. Furthermore, I wouldn't recommend wearing iems at all, if you don't want to increase the chances of getting hurt.

>>61343665
Please, I already have a mother. I go to the gym and mostly do weights. I'm not going to be hit by a car on a treadmill.

>>61343191
>Sennheiser troll is one person
Stop this meme, Rajeesh.

>>61343548
Isn't Aquariums generally regarded as a joke group?

>wearing my open ear HD600s on the subway
>listening to my idoru music
>someone hears it because lmao no sound isolation
>calls me a nerd and gives me a wedgie
Why do you guys recommend open-back headphones again?

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What does /g/ think about the Audio-Technica ATH-M40x? Should I buy them or are there better options at the price?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00HVLUR54/

>>61343795
>aquariums
Aqours
>joke group
Considered shit vs µ's. Still somewhat liked. Ruby fanclub particularly rabid.
I favor kanan, dia, yoshiko.

>>61343828
>traumatic stuff
Bullying aside, it sounded good. Did it not?

>>61343996
For portable outdoors shit or home use?

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>>61343410
I'm not going to be obnoxious and spam like the Snapheiser troll but suffice it to say you haven't looked enough and the DT770/880/990 in particular have a well-documented design flaw in the plastic hinges.

>>61344178
fuck mine just snapped how do I fix it???

>>61343996
Decent closed back option with these:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/888545-REG/Auray_eps_mdr7506_Genuine_Sheepskin_Leather_Earpads.html

>>61344178
Still cheaper to fix than the Sennheisers

kisaragi chihaya seems to favor the MDR-CD900ST.

>>61343996
I read alot of praise about its neutrality but the one I had did not seem very neutral to me. In fact my K44 sounded alot more neutral to me. I didn't like that the drivers were angled in the cup for two reasons. One is because toe-in makes headphones sound worse to me (unpopular opinion, I know). But also, the layer of foam in front of the grill and the felt from the pads never sat flush with the baffle (like it was slightly tented) and my ears would make contact with it. It aggravated me over time and my allergy to the earpad material solidified my decision to give it away. That was a couple years ago. Maybe those earpads the other anon recommended would have changed worked better for me. Also I noticed that when I positioned lower and angled upward the cups it sounded significantly better to me, which isn't the case for my other headphones.

>>61344678
It's neutral... for a closed headphone in its price range. So not very neutral.

What are the best (relatively cheap) Bluetooth headphones in the market?

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>>61345052
>bluetooth headphones

Posted this in the last thread but I wanted to get some more recommendations.

>Budget
$300
>Location
Canada
>Source
Cell phone and laptop
>Type of headphone
Full-size, bluetooth
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Want comfy, but can sacrifice for audio quality
>Sound signature
any
>Past headphones
ATH-M50
Jabra Revo BT
Panasonic RP-HTX7

>>61345066
I'm about to get an HTC u11 anon, it has no headphone jack. Pls help

>>61345093
>>61345066

>>61345102
They make a headphone jack adapter. Use it if you care at all about sound quality. If you don't care at all about sound quality, then fall for the bluetooth meme.

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>>61345123
But then I can't listen to music while I charge desu.

>>61345102
>I'm about to get an HTC u11 anon, it has no headphone jack.
Get a proper smartphone.
Proper is defined by many factors, an absolutely necessary one is the presence of a headphone jack.

>>61344121
Just in general.

>>61345253
I mean it's great at everything but having a headphone jack tho

>>61345460
A shame. It means it fails basic requirements (having a HD600 port) and therefore it sucks.

>>61345456
CB-1

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>ODAC -> O2 -> HD600
>phone ->ER-4PT

I've been happy with this setup for years. No desire to "upgrade".

best alternative to the apple earpods
no xiaomemes plz

>>61340990
Good luck dealing with their customer service if something happens to your headphones tho, HiFiman's customer service is among the worst in the business.

>>61345750
If you want the same form factor of earphone, VE Monk Plus with Expansion Pack.

>>61343474
not him, but is that good or bad? I've a pair on order and don't know if the hype is just hype

>>61346232
They're cheap AF, it should be below the worrying threshhold.

>>61337213
I don't think it will make them sound better.

I want to get some meme Superlux headphones. But which model to choose? Help me pls.

>>61346425
681, 662 EVO, 669, 661

>>61346457
I thought that 668B are the most meme.

>>61346529
I have the 668B. What bass extension?

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Idol Trash goes to sleep.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo

>sennheiser and beyer all snap eventually

clearly AKG headphones are the b-
>elastic wears out faster than anything else
what the fuck why an elastic. Are these practical to replace? I'm looking at mine right now and I don't know if it's glued on or something.

>>61346934
You forgot AKG's no bass and ear raping highs.

>>61347074
At least it's not beyer.

>>61340913
>flat bass having any basis in accuracy

learn how to room gain retard

>>61347661
Etymotic bass response is designed to mimic the real-world scenario of flat frequency loudspeaker response in a diffuse field. It may not be the kind of real-world scenario you would subjectively prefer, but it has "basis in accuracy." It's a sound many people like, including here, as I know I'm not the only Etymotic fan here. People are not "retards" for having a different subjective opinion than you.

>>61347901
It doesn't match the diffuse field curve perfectly. And saying that another curve is good cause it matches the etymotic is retarded. Just use the actual diffuse field curve.

>>61347999
>Just use the actual diffuse field curve.
It is my personal opinion that the diffuse field curve is a poor compensation curve because it sounds bright. The ER-4S is more popular than the ER-4B for a reason.

>>61348020
Your opinion is shit and useless and not based on measurements.

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>>61348031
OK.

>>61347901
A diffuse field is not a critical listening environment.
Accurate loudspeakers measure perfectly flat on and off axis in an anechoic environment, but will have room gain from 20 to 200hz and about a 1dB per octave tilt across the rest of the frequency range.
A diffuse field target provides an accurate treble response for the specific head and torso simulator used during the measurement, but it inherently lacks any form of bass. Claiming subjective preference is one thing, but that is naturally opposite to accurate which is an entirely objective criteria.

>>61348081
He's a retard who thinks his subjective opinions have more weight than measurements. You can't reason someone out of a position that they did not use reason to reach.

>>61348020
I personally prefer the diffuse field curve. The music is more airy, treble isn't subdued.
And while I admittedly know fuck all about sound science, I have to admit a bit more bass in headphones is preferable for me because unlike with loudspeakers you feel the rumble only in your ear. A flat headphone won't give you the same feel flat loudspeakers do.

I just a set of RIG500HD given to me. How do they match up?

>>61348081
>>61348125
>there is no room for subjectivity in audio because only the objective is good because I have autism
Riiiiight.
>>>/hydrogenaudio/

>>61348215
>I have zero understanding of electroacoustics and psychoacoustics and am better than established and well cited subjective studies because preference lol

Wow I wonder how all those engineers that made the music I listen to with my accurate to my preference™ headphones mix and master these tracks. I wonder if they use accurate to their preference™ loudspeakers and listening environments and completely ignore established science that cause every single studio monitor to have a flat frequency response.

>>61348215
>dismissing the objective and elevating the subjective
>>>/head-fi/

>>61348265
Studio responses vary significantly.
>>61348283
There's room for both objectivity and subjectivity in audio.

>>61348353
There is no room for dismissing objectivity because muh subjectivity. Now back to head-fi you go, where you can discuss how subjectively superior your golden cable sounds.

>>61348370
>my curve is better than yours because it's a standard and created by scientists or engineers and shit
Appeal to authority fallacy. I'll keep posting my opinions and there's nothing you can do about it except fling fallacies at me and look like an autistic shitposter while doing it.
>b-b-but muh standards and muh engineers and muh objectivity
I disagree.

>>61348410
>my curve is better than yours because I said so
Retard fallacy. I'll keep pointing out your retardation for as long as it takes, or as long as your ego can stand losing these arguments.

>>61348353
If it doesn't hold true in a double blind test, it's not subjectivity, it's cognitive bias

I feel like we have this argument everyday.
But it still beats the neverending 600/880 shitposting.

>>61348440
It's because you don't learn.

>>61348433
This post is irrelevant to discussion of target curves.
>>61348428
You are mistaken if you believe my intent is to claim that my opinion is better than anyone else's or to win an internet argument over opinions. I'd have to be a retarded autistic shitposter to have that sort of intent.

>>61348501
Your intent is to spout inane shit and bad advice and push it as "accurate". I get it.

>>61348469
Don't look at me, I'm not a part of the argument. But at least I can learn something from all this, just the repetition is a bit tiresome. Before I started going on /hpg/ I didn't even know that something like a diffuse field exists, so this is educational.

I just need to know which headphones have the best mic on them. I'm using the soundmagic e10 ones but my gf can only hear me like 60% of the time

>>61348532
oh and have to be iem's

Why do my Fidelio X2's hurt the top of my head so bad? Is it because they are too heavy? Are they not stretched enough?

>>61348532
An $8 Zalman mic sounds fine to me. If you're that concerned about clear voice chat, then get a dynamic mic.

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>>61348518
My intent is to add my own opinion to the chorus of opinions and nothing more. I'd be creating a hostile, unenjoyable atmosphere in /hpg/ were I to do something childish like attempt to turn the threads into a contest. That would be shitposting.

>>61348501
Are you mentally ill or simply incapable of reading? If you can't prove that you prefer a target in a double blind test, then you aren't capable of stating that you have a preference for a specific target. You cannot consistently and accurately produce an opinion of something so specific with the high SNR that a sighted, non volume-matched "test" would have.

>>61348564
>you're not allowed to state that you have an opinion unless you can prove that you have that opinion in a blind test
This is next level shitposting.

>>61348604
Or you know, the most basic form of scientific subjective evaluation. If you aren't in a blind environment, you're prone to biases like brands, materials, aesthetics and preconceived notions about a product that have absolutely no real impact on the actual performance. Im not sure why im wasting time drawing this out for you since you seem to retarded to grasp basic scientific concepts.

>>61348649
>you must prove to me via a blind test that you actually have the opinion you say you have
No amount of rhetoric or mental gymnastics can possibly make you not look retarded for saying this.

>>61348673
Yes, because you're stating that your opinion is of the target response and not the entire headphone. Again, you seem too retarded to realise that you cannot single out the frequency response from the equation without removing the other biases at hand.

>>61348673
Your opinion might be (and most likely is on some level) biased then, and as much worth as someone who likes the sound of Beats because they're by Dr. Dre.

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Can I get a recommendation on some decent wireless in ear headphones?

chink, or regular

>>61348705
>you must prove to me via a blind test that you actually have the opinion you say you have
Still retarded. We're done with this conversation.

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>>61348732
>decent
>wireless

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>>61348741
:^)

>I like this sound signature because it's totally the best and not because everyone said so and I spent $300 on it
Weird, I thought it was called beyer's remorse, so why are the sennshills the ones knee deep in the Nile?

>>61348808
You're making some very incorrect assumptions and simultaneously discrediting yourself by revealing that the motivation behind your assertions was simply participating in Beyer/Senn shitposting.

>>61348852
You got the wrong guy, I'm just a spectator. But I noticed this all started with the GE graphs trashtalking DT990 and praising HD598 because Anon there considers his opinions as gospel.

>>61348962
Don't pretend that >>61340627 didn't start the shitposting.

>>61348996
He almost always starts the shitposting, and has done so for years.

>>61349016
I know. These threads are so constructive, friendly and helpful when the autistic snapposter isn't here.

>>61348996
Shitposting maybe, but not this whole argument above. That wasn't triggered by the threadly anime shitpost, that started with the GE graphs and how they're compensating. The whole argument isn't about the regular brand preference. You can tell because neither side was dickwaving their headphones of choice.

>>61349084
The anti GE curve rhetoric is very transparently solely intended to discredit a favorable measurement of the HD600 and it's very transparently disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

>>61349132
Whatever you say buddy, I don't have a horse in this race.

>>61349132
>The anti GE curve rhetoric is very transparently solely intended to discredit a favorable measurement of the HD600
And to discredit unfavorable measurements of Beyerdynamic headphones. These were the obvious motivations behind the entire "your subjective opinion is objectively wrong" shitposting we just saw.

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Thoughts on the Sony mdr 7506s? I was thinking of getting them and then getting a local guy to add a detachable cable mod making it my on the go headphone. Thoughts? I listen to a lot of different kinds of music ranging from trap to classical.

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Really makes you think

>>61350277
>imblying you didn't already know headphone general and mechanical generals were massive circle jerks
(+1 poster count here btw)

>>61348802
GDST?

>>61340469
10/10 taste

hd600

>>61349469
Durability is their flaw; they're not meant to last decades.
But they're cheap and good, not much to think about.

K701 vs K612 PRO?

>>61352202
K612 is more neutral, thus better.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7Q1YTppD84

>>61352202
neither has detachable cables so they both suck

I can pick up a pair of AKG K612 pro's for 160.00AUD/$123USD
What else should I consider in this price range?
I'll be driving it with an O2.

>>61353424
>AKG
Treble rape

>>61353539
t. No treble pooheiser shill

>Budget
150-180eur
>Location
spain
>Source
desktop, I could think about buying a sound card too but no idea how much it would cost
>Type of headphone
full-sized
>Open or closed
whatever sounds better
>Comfort level
I prefer if they are comfortable
>Sound signature
>Past headphones
superlux hd 668b

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>>61353876
>whatever sounds better
If niggerbass is the priority, closed. Otherwise,
>open
Look into HD600, HD579, HD598se/sr (not Cs!), HD558, k612.
>comfortable
Maybe not k612. I'm told akg aren't comfortable. Just.. I haven't tried them.
>so, what do you own
HD600, HD598, HD380 Pro
>>61353900
<3

Why do people buy more expensive stuff than a Schiit stack or O2+ODAC? I don't get it. These two options already sound absolutely fucking amazing with any headphone I've tried, ranging from cheap earbuds to Sennheiser HD800 and Audeze LCD-4.

>>61354246
>too much money
>the placebo is strong with audio
>memes like balanced or multibit
>better is assumed possibly hearable
>going against established beliefs of human hearing limits

>>61354246
If you get either of those and you're happy, then congratulations.

You literally fucking won the audiophile game.

Are CIEMs just a meme or do they really provide the best deal/comfort

>>61354246
Aesthetics, additional features and because they can.

>>61354311
I've always wanted to try CIEMs but the fact that it's hard as fuck to get an ear impression in my country and that imho they're way overpriced makes me not do it.

I have some Shure SEs I got for $90 that are pretty decent.

>>61354368
Yeah the thing stopping me is the pricing of even "cheaper" iems. Might bite the bullet this year as a Christmas gift to myself

You people should stop to bitch and start to think about how to stop giving thr Germans money. Basically all good brands (sennheiser, beyer, akg) are German and youre handing them money (austria is germany).

>>61354567
Audeze, hifiman, schiit, focal.

Anyone ever been to the Schiitr? Finna to upgrade from the Fulla 2 for use with HD600's.

>Budget
200-250€
>Location
Germany
>Source
Phone/Laptop
>Type of headphone
Not sure yet, definitely not in ear. Maybe wireless but only if sound doesn't suffer too much.
>Open or closed
Closed, no leaking. Will be wearing in public/while studying in library, on train...
>Comfort level
As high as possible, will be wearing for up to 10 hours with little pauses.
>Sound signature
Neutral with a hint of warmth? Will be listening to a lot of classical music but also different mainstream stuff.
>Past headphones
AKG Q701 (for home use + digital piano), cheap in ears for travelling.

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>tfw no beats by dre headphone

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Anyone know IEMs? A lot of reviewers seem to like these, but are there better alternatives?

>>61355053
doubt it

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>>61355072
Thank you.

>>61355090
using them right now. You will hear NOTHING from the outside world, dont use in heavy traffic

>>61355103
That's good to know.
Can you tell me if a lot of sound moves through the cable? I had a pair of cheap IEMs that were useless if the cable touched anything, including clothes. I'd imagine less so because they go over the ear.
Also, do you have glasses? Any problems with that?

>>61355150
>Can you tell me if a lot of sound moves through the cable?
the outside world will have no influence on the sound
>Also, do you have glasses? Any problems with that?
nope, they will bith have to rest on your ears so it may take 2 seconds longer to put them on

>>61355221
Thanks man, you convinced me.

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>hd600
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVW0OgxeH6I
>Literally no bass!!

/g/ I have a confession to make.
I really like the Grado sound signature.

Best bluetooth headphones for running?

>>61356282
Hey, at least you're not going around treating your subjective preferences as truth over objective measured standards.

>>61356425
Jaybird X3

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Decent headphones for under £50?

>>61356282
I'm surprised people still remember Grado.

>>61356484
Anything from superlux

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Poorfag here. Friend gave me his shitty m50x's for free.

Where do I buy replacement parts?

Both hinges are shot (Friend put metal inside to keep them rigid), the earcups and headband are also in real bad shape. The right side also has a very faint rattle whenever really deep bass is played.

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Is the soundmagic E80 series any good?

>>61356956
Big boy E10's

>>61356484
KSC75/PortaPro/SportaPro

What subwoofer should I use for my headphones? Prefer something below 100$ or around that price+ second hand

>>61356952
>The right side also has a very faint rattle whenever really deep bass is played.
Probably a hair on the driver.

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>>61357085

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>>61357100
>an autist has replied to you

>>61357151
>a abhorrent

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>>61357158
>

>>61357085
Just ditch the HD600s and get headphones capable of reproducing bass.

>>61357223
>get headphones capable of reproducing bass
Such as? Most I've heard are really underwhelming

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>>61357223
>shitposting

>>61357313
I think what you're looking for are Beats, anon.

>>61357369
I'm not though. So, nobody here knows anything about sub woofers?

>>61357388
Does the title of this thread say "Shitty Retard Niggerbass Meme Gimmicks General?"

>>61357402
Its just missing the niggerbass part otherwise it says exactly that. You clearly have never heard drone with a good bass equipment in your life, sad!

What are the verdict on custom cables? Been wanting to make one myself but is there actually any benefit doing so other than better fit? I dont want to spend hundreds on silver wires and shit and find out it changes nothing

>>61357521
I remember reading about a test where they took "audiophiles" and none of them could tell the difference between a premium cable and a coat-hanger.

>>61357521
The only way it's gonna change sound is if you create a cable with a specific impedance intended to change the sound in some specific way. Other than that, it's not going to improve sound:
http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/threads/speakers-when-is-good-enough-enough.2512/page-2#post-15412 tl;dr: audiophiles couldn't hear difference between expensive cables and coat hangar wire.
>but is there actually any benefit
More convenient length, reduced microphonics, increased durability.

>>61357388
LSR310S is a decent subwoofer.
But, why would you want to use a subwoofer with *headphones*?

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>>61354246
Have you seen the inside? The circuit is designed with cost in mind and super simplified. The connectivity options are pretty limited as well.

>>61357562
>>61357567
Thanks, i'll probably go with cheaper copper wire then, dont really have a target impedance since everything is just on paper but i do plan to make the length and plug suit me better

>>61354311
How the fuck is it a meme? Musicians have been using customs for as long as we know because they provide unrivaled isolation and comfort.

>>61357649
I think he probably meant those gimmicky wearable subwoofers, as I've never heard of someone using an actual subwoofer with headphones.

>>61357662
>have you seen the inside
Pics of the inside are on their own site.
>The circuit is designed with cost in mind and super simplified.
Obviously, they assemble these themselves and they are not retards. Optimization is a given.

>>61357662
Are you implying that the cost and simplicity affects performance? Because it doesn't.

>>61357707
Sorry, what? Why have I never heard about this? So much potential for making fun of.

>>61354246
It better amps and DACs provide no benefit then surely they won't offer them on their site?

>>61357662
And this is an issue why?

>>61357649
>~100$
>get recommended 400$ subwoofer
Why is this board so backward

>>61357727
Why do you think I posted >>61357100
Yeah, it's ridiculous.
https://www.amazon.com/s/field-keywords=wearable+subwoofer

>>61357707
>I have never went out so its not true
Wew lad

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>>61357662

I pity people who think that nothing sounds better than these entry-level shit.

>>61357794
It just seems so illogical. People usually use headphones instead of speakers when it's impractical to use speakers because you don't want others hearing your audio. Using an actual subwoofer with headphones completely defeats the purpose here. If you're going to be playing audio that others around you or your neighbors can hear just use speakers. Using headphones with an actual subwoofer is combining all of the drawbacks of both speakers and headphones. That's retarded.

>>61357798
You should theoretically not be able to hear a difference between a Magni 2 and a more expensive amp in a blind test unless said more expensive amp is actually less accurate than the Magni 2. If you think you can hear a difference anyways, you should use your inhuman ears to pass http://tom-morrow-land.com/tests/ampchall/ and win $10,000. Protip: nobody has ever passed it. This means you cannot hear a difference.
http://ethanwiner.com/believe.html
If you think you can hear a difference it's likely due to changes in frequency response resulting from small movements of the headphones on your head.

>>61357842
>It just seems so illogical. People usually use headphones instead of speakers when it's impractical to use speakers because you don't want others hearing your audio. Using an actual subwoofer with headphones completely defeats the purpose here.
Unreal, even reddit won't make posts that retarded. Have you thought that maybe some people don't want to spend 1k+ on speakers when they can get headphones closer to that quality for half the price. It seems like nobody here can give a straight answer, what a shithole

>>61357798
>lots of dip resistors
>big
>must sound good

>>61357918
>Have you thought that maybe some people don't want to spend 1k+ on speakers when they can get headphones closer to that quality for half the price.
You've got it backwards. Drop a few hundred on good speakers and they'll outperform $1,000+ headphones.

>>61357962
>speakers
Monitors.

>>61357873
>This means you cannot hear a difference.
To be fair, it has to be done that the test is restricted to music well below the clipping area.

>>61357873
I can do ABX testing easily between the cheap Schiit shit and my DIY amps with a simple RCA switch box. The headstage is compressed in the Magni and music sounds rough in comparison.

>>61358045
If this is true your DIY amps are inaccurate.

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>>61358045
>headstage
The fuck.

>>61358045
from: https://www.head-fi.org/f/threads/schiit-happened-the-story-of-the-worlds-most-improbable-start-up.701900/
on measurements:
https://www.head-fi.org/f/threads/schiit-happened-the-story-of-the-worlds-most-improbable-start-up.701900/page-467#post_11763661
Try measuring your DACs. If you can ABX them from a decent amp, they're highly likely flawed. Else, your methodology is.

Grado headphones worth it? Or would I be better getting something else

>>61358866
Casual home listening? Sure it works though there's definitely other options.

Realiser a16 is the biggest step forward for headphone tech since the 70s. Prove me wrong

>>61358866
They're shit.

>>61357727
They are pretty neat if you get it on the right settings, I have them pair with Hd800 and it's great.

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>>61359023
Get a load of this guy.

Im using an old macbook and I noticed that theres some noise when using my amp but none without. However everything fine on any other machine. Anyone know what this could be?

>>61358985
What would you recommend then?

>>61359395
HD600

>>61359395
http://pastebin.com/fYZLW7Ub

Hi I'm a retard and I got myself a ATH-M40x for the first time. When it sounds good, it sounds good, and it's comfy as fuck. My problem however is that a lot of Youtube videos sound like complete shit. What settings do I change if it's possible to fix?

>>61359778
You have to check the "Make Youtube videos not sound like complete shit" setting in your audio drivers.
We're not actual wizards, you know.

>>61359832
Wow rude. Anyways let me be more specific, I think it's anything that's low quality that sounds really off. Either it's too quiet, too crackling, or I can barely hear certain parts of it (like vocals for example)

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My main buds just died on me and I have to use shure se215. Those fuckers hurt like hell, it's like sticking a rusty nail through my ear after 30min.
No matter how much I twist it up, down, in, out, etc., I can't get a configuration that isn't unpainful.

WHAT DO?

>>61359778
Youtube audio is 128 kbps. That's why it sounds like shit.

>>61359867
Use smaller tips?

>>61359866
Congratulations, you finally have an audio setup with which you can tell the difference between a garbage quality youtube video and at least a 256 kb/s mp3.

>>61359869
Is it still true if you pick the HD video options? For some reason people claim picking 1080p will improve the audio as well.

>>61359869
So there's no way to fix that? Well shit that sucks. Oh well, thanks for the straight answer man.

>>61359891
It's not the tips though, it's the plastic housing that's too big or doesn't fit in my ear.

>>61359929 new thread

>>61359866
Are you sure they're absolutely all the way plugged in? That kind of sounds like headphones that aren't all the way plugged in.
>>61359922
Yes, it's still true. Whenever I use JDownloader2 to download audio from any new Youtube videos these days, no matter the resolution, it ends up showing as 128 kbps in Foobar. Even when JDownloader2 says it's downloading 192 kbps and saves the file with a 192 kbps filename, you open it in Foobar and it's 128.

>>61359959
>Are you sure they're absolutely all the way plugged in?
Well will you look at that it worked. Sorry I'm just new to this, got my new computer built just today. Thanks!

>>61359535

>Budget
£0-200
>Location
Britbong
>Source
Laptop, PC, phone
>Type of headphone
Full sized
>Open or closed
either
>Past headphones
iDeaUSA Bluetooth Headphones
They were ok, I liked the earpads

Sennheiser (Unknown model)
Were good for a while, cable got fucked though. I had them about 5 years ago as a present from my audiophile father.

Roccat Kave 5.1

I bought them years ago before I cared about sound. Edgy gaymur kid ahoy. I still have them and still use them. Sound is tolerable and I really love the comfy earpads

>>61359987
Look into HD600, HD579, HD598se/sr, HD558.
>sennheiser, cable broke
The sennheisers above (and most sennheiser except the lowest end) have detachable cable.

>>61360139
>>61359987
Avoid V-shaped HD579 garbage, which are a downgrade from HD558/598.

>>61360152
Unless, of course, you prefer a V-shaped sound signature.

>>61360139
>>61360152
FR: http://www.rtings.com/headphones/graph#246/323/408
HD599 are not that different, just more bassy. The treble is more or less the same.
They don't have measurements of HD579, but measurements in other sites show it as a less bassy (hence more neutral) HD599. It's also cheaper than HD599.
Whether you like the extra bass in HD579 in respect of HD598 is a matter of preference. Most heard complaint about HD598 is "literally no bass" and such. People do seem to like their bass.
Distortion: http://www.rtings.com/headphones/graph#246/329/408
Different shape, but generally significantly lower on the HD599.
>rtings
Sure (re: target and scores), but they DO have a lot of useful measurements.

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Alright, so I've noticed that, with better equipment, music on foobar sounds pretty shitty compared to MPC-HC with CCCP codecs (which I got for animu and seem to be the best sounding player I've found. In particular, lossless formats sound very close or exactly the same as they do in Nuendo/Cubase, and stuff in general is more detailed and less "metallic".

However, MPC-HC is pretty inconvenient for playing music and doesn't have proper support for playlists, etc.

How do I find a decent sounding music player or make foobar sound like MPC-HC does?

>>61360281
Hm. That seems to contradict:
http://reference-audio-analyzer.pro/en/report/hp/sennheiser-hd-598.php
http://reference-audio-analyzer.pro/en/report/hp/sennheiser-hd-599.php
I'll stop calling 559/579/599 V-shaped for now. We need a third measurement to see which website is the outlier here. If RAA's measurement is the outlier then 599 is an improvement on 598 with better sub-bass extension.

>>61360367
Note they also have the HD579:
http://reference-audio-analyzer.pro/en/report/hp/sennheiser-hd-579.php
I tend to recommend it over HD599 because, based on FR, it seems to have slightly less bass and, to a lesser degree, softer treble rolloff.
Owning HD598 and HD600, I consider the treble in HD598 very recessed, which is very noticeable on some songs (some treblish shit feels like it just isn't there. It is there if I specifically look for it, because I know and do so, but otherwise it would be hard to notice). I really like how HD600 does the treble, it's Just Right. Getting any closer to it is a plus.
Also slightly less sensitivity, thus lower volume overall, thus healthier.
The differences are so small I might seem like I'm nitpicking, but it's also cheaper, which seals the deal. I see HD599 and HD600 as the little brothers of HD650 and HD600 respectively.

>>61360503
>it seems to have slightly less bass
That's almost certainly simply due to a slightly inferior seal on that measurement.
>I tend to recommend it over HD599 because
I'd recommend it over HD599 because it measures almost identically for less money.

>>61360324
>music on foobar sounds pretty shitty compared to MPC-HC with CCCP codecs
What the fuck? Either of these is doing postprocessing, which you might or might not know.
>CCCP codecs
Nobody sane goes anywhere near that in the present year.
>foobar2k
Unlikely to be the one doing postprocessing.
>replaygain
It might be just one side is honoring replaygain while the other isn't. Check replaygain settings on foobar2k.
Higher volume is often perceived as "better".
>resampling interpolation (like, 44.1 -> 48KHz)
Windows resampler is known to be shit. One of your players might be overriding it via WASAPI or ASIO, or doing its own, different, resampling of the sound before handing it over to Windows.

>>61360595
Resamping is not the reason for his reported difference. WASAPI is a placebo meme.

>>61360585
>I'd recommend it over HD599 because it measures almost identically for less money.
Yes, that's the factor that weights the most, if I wasn't clear enough.
>bass difference might be due to difference in measurement seal
Maybe. But I've also seen (yeah, I know) and read some review videos/articles (there's surprisingly few for both models), and they do say that HD599 has more bass but that when it hits it tends to mull the other frequencies. One possibly explanation is that, like us, they've seen FR plots and are simply biased; psychology is a bitch when it comes to sound.

>>61359867
Help me.

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>Budget: $150

>Location: U.S.A

>Source: Galaxy S7 Edge

>Type of headphone: Over ear.

>Open or closed: Closed

>Comfort level: High

>Sound signature: V

>Past headphones: Beyerdynamic Dt 770 pro, HiFimen He-400i, m50x(Didn't like these), Vmoda Crossfade m100.


Need something that is very portable. I got the vmodas for this reason bot they do not collapse in a way that makes them flat and easy to put in my bag. Thx

>>61360595
>CCCP codecs
Got those because /a/ told me to very long ago. Turns out, among the options I've tried, they sound the most accurate.

>Higher volume is often perceived as "better".
It's not higher volume, in fact foobar is a bit louder, but it's also more skewed towards high notes. There are legitimately some (soft) sounds I do not hear with foobar that are there with the other setup. While you may have your reservations, and rightly so, I do notice this when it comes to music I've recorded or mixed myself, so I know how it SHOULD sound with my audio setup.

>One of your players might be overriding it via WASAPI or ASIO
I do use ASIO for Nuendo, though I have used Wasapi on Kontakt before. Didn't know MPC would be using it, though.

>>61360635
>Resamping is not the reason for his reported difference.
I'm told Windows resampler is crap. I have no idea how true that is (haven't really dug into it).
>WASAPI is a placebo meme
It's an actual API which Microsoft introduced at some point recent (win7 or 8). It overlaps with ASIO. Allows for bit-exact crap and controlling latency, which are useful for audio work.
Whether it helps with playback, that's unlikely but debatable.

>>61360699
>I do use ASIO for Nuendo, though I have used Wasapi on Kontakt before. Didn't know MPC would be using it, though.
Foobar has an optional WASAPÎ output plugin. Likely also ASIO. You could play around with that.

>>61360663
I don't think anything folds and is good at that price range. If you absolutely need fold, M50X though it's kinda ass for V-Shape. I would recommend Custom Studios as they're DT770 80 ohms with a detachable cable but they don't fold.

>>61360663
>>61360840
The HD380 Pro (which I own and love) folds and has detachable cable. It's also less vshaped.
http://reference-audio-analyzer.pro/en/report/hp/sennheiser-hd-380-pro.php
m50x for reference:
http://reference-audio-analyzer.pro/en/report/hp/audio-technica-ath-m50x.php

>>61360908
>You want a V-shape? Well you should buy these instead, because they're not V-shaped
bravo

>>61360945
Look at the FR. Less vshaped doesn't mean they're suddenly neutral.

>>61360744
The problem with ASIO (usually) is it deactivates all other sources for that output. I will try wasapi, though I believe I'm using DirectSound (isn't it Windows default?). I do not have 44.1KHz downsampling nor normalization, boost, etc. activated on MPC.

Again, if anything, it's foobar that sounds slightly different than mixer programs, as if the sound were a bit less warm and round.

>>61360908
Goldenears disagrees. And I'd say goldenears is more trustworthy seeing as how they actually publish their compensation curve and its vaguely decent as well.
http://en.goldenears.net/13496
http://en.goldenears.net/10034
>>61360663
Tyll states the HD280 are superior to the HD380. He's probably right on that.

>>61361038
>M50 measurements
Very careful. M50 != M50x. They're different aplenty.
http://reference-audio-analyzer.pro/en/report/hp/audio-technica-ath-m50.php
http://reference-audio-analyzer.pro/en/report/hp/audio-technica-ath-m50x.php

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>>61361038

>>61361144
>M50
>>61361065

>>61357798
that's hilariously stupid circuit design when you dont have the funds to do it on an ic.

it's...

>noisy
>inefficient
>ten times as large as it should be
>meant for people who don't actually care about sound quality

>>61361177
>looks full of big dip parts
>more parts must mean better
>dip must sound better than smd, since the parts are bigger
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Audiophiles.