/hpg/ - Headphone General

>>61275326
>decent
>wireless

The sennheiser HD 6xx massdrop editon that were on sale a few weeks ago - any good? Or should I just spend the extra cash for the 600/650?

Feeling a too good to be true price.

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>Budget
~US$100

>Location
US

>Source
Desktop and maybe sometimes laptop

>Type of headphone
Full set headphone with mic, plus point for wireless

>Open or closed
Both works

>Comfort level
Prolonged usage, maybe from 1 to 12 hour

>Past headphones
Been using the apple earbuds that came from my iphone 5 box, decided to get a real headphone

For the usage, I usually play FPS games and some MMO

>>61275631
HD600 are more balanced sounding, thus better.

>>61275634
SHP9500 + V-Moda BoomPro. Do not buy an all-in-one headphones-with-mic solution as you will invariably receive poor price/performance ratio.

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>>61275646
http://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews/sennheiser/hd-600

http://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews/beyerdynamic/dt-990-pro

>DT 990 Pro is rated better in all usage categories than the HD 600

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>>61275694
>rtings

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What is the second best headphone in the world behind the HD600?

>>61275717
>HD 600 owner is mad that HD 800S, HD 598 and DT 990 beats his shitty cans

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>>61275760
>using a niggerbass target curve and giving bass "accuracy" more weight in scores than midrange or treble accuracy
>incorrectly claiming the Harman target's bass boost is based on room reflections when it is actually based on subjective preferences, destroying their credibility as a website
>rtings
Rtings is a joke of a website. Websites such as the well-respected innerfielity.com are far more credible.

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>>61275796
>My favourite review website is one where Sennheiser pays them to review Sennhesier products in a favorable light

>>61275526
For working out lad

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>>61275796
>>61275717
>HD600 shills used to use rtings to "prove" their soundstage
>once they discovered rtings doesn't agree with them they now shit on it

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>>61275811
>Tyll's opinion is different from mine so he must be a shill
His opinion merely mirrors the general opinion of the internet, anon. Sennheiser? More like Sennperior.

I just want a virgin anime gf
Is that so hard

[loud snapping in the distance]

>>61275820
At least their screeching is withstandable because it doesn't have any treble.

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>>61275694
>dt990
https://www.head-fi.org/f/threads/beyerdynamic-dt990-250ohm-should-come-with-warning-label.853750/
>I can physically feel damage in my ears even the next day after hearing these for minutes. As if something sharp is cramping up from my ears all the way into my mouth under the tounge LOL.

>>61275881
Nor any bass! Kek!

>>61275717
>that HD600 measurement
Holy balls that's accurate.

I recently bought a pair of DT880s from the 1980s how do those compare to modern DT880s are they similar in sound or what

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>>61275488
miporin~

>>61275899
Any headphone will be accurate if you use its frequency response as the compensation curve and smooth the shit out of it, anon.

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>>61275961
>Any headphone will be accurate if you use its frequency response as the compensation curve
It's a good thing GE didn't do that.

>>61275979
Your image only reinforces my point that GEs curve is shitty and arbitrary.

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>>61275997
Your credibility will be completely destroyed if you even attempt to say that the ER-4S is not a balanced sounding headphone, as it is widely accepted as THE standard for balanced sounding headphones.

>>61276012
LMAO BEYERHI-

oh wait

>>61276012
Prove it. Your credibility will be destroyed if you can't.

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>rtings is biased again Senn-

>>61276034
They're not biased, they're just retarded. Absolutely nobody credible will ever claim an HD599 is better than an HD600.

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>>61275829
The word play on the company's names is probably the worst part about the Sennheiser vs Beyerdynamic shitposting

Anyone out there that owns a Phillips Fidelo L1 or L2 that have tried changing out the stock pads for a popular third party set like the HM5? Have a pair of L1s coming and was curious if I could try some velour HM5s on them

>>61276054
The HD 599 has bass, the HD 600 doesn't

The only good headphone measurement sites are:

Rin Choi
Headroom
Clarityfidelity
0dB.kr
seeko

Almost everyone else uses shit target curves with smoothing or have some other major flaw.

>>61276073
HD599 is a V-shaped downgrade from the excellent HD598 and has too much bass and too much treble. Same for the HD579.

>>61276076
Any site with uncompensated unsmoothed response is acceptable too, like innerfidelity. Their compensated responses aren't accurate though.

>>61276076
>Rin Choi
Diffuse field curve is bright sounding. Harman target is dark sounding. Shitty curves.
>Headroom
Independent of direction curve is pants on head retarded and bright sounding. Shitty curve.
>Clarityfidelity
Diffuse and harman targets again.
>0dB.kr
Literally what?
>seeko
Diffuse field target again.
I'll concede that raw measurements are nice. However, GE's newer measurements provide raw measurements and their older measurements use a curve that ER-4S is accurate on, meaning it's a great curve.
>smoothing
Much ado about nothing. Your entire post is transparently meant to discredit GE's excellent measurements because HD600 looks great on them.

>>61276152
>curves based on objective measurements are shit because my own personal HRTF doesn't reflect them
Kek!

>>61276170
ER-4B are the most accurate diffuse field curve based headphones available and they're nearly universally considered bright. Harman target is not based on objective measurements.

>>61276189
>X curve is the most accurate because it's the most similar to [insert headphone here] which is the most accurate headphone because it's the most similar to X curve
This is not an argument, my dude. This is circular logic.

>>61276205
That's a hell of a strawman.

>>61275694
Get a life or kill yourself. Actually, just kill yourself.

>>61276212
I realized I misread your post.
Here's the actual rebuttal.
>nearly universally considered bright
Subjective experiences are not an argument. If it's objectively accurate, it's objectively accurate.

>>61276224
Why are you so upset anon?

>>61275736
Honestly, the 650 is. K712 is third imo.

>>61276228
There's clearly room for the objective and the subjective in the audio world and to claim otherwise is horribly unrealistic, illogical and closed-minded.

>>61276246
Claiming objective measurement curves and very well researched subjective preference curves are "shit" is horribly unrealistic, illogical and closed-minded.

>>61276256
It's simply an opinion.

>>61276267
It's not based off logic or reasoning. It's a useless opinion. Same thing as saying "well I don't like it".

Additionally I don't believe that the integrated Headphone Out on my Sony Receiver is adequate to power them would a Little dot Mk III be sufficient

>>61276314
oh I'm continuing this post
>>61275918

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>>61276286
>It's not based off logic or reasoning.
On the contrary. My subjective preference for the general sound signature of an ER-4S closely mirrors the suggested room responses of well-respected audio professionals. My preference is not solely based on this, though. For example, I understand the logic behind the Harman target. I've given the Harman target my fair share of listening with an open mind and found it too dark sounding for my taste. My opinion is based on a combination of logic/reasoning and my own observations.

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Why haven't you gotten a pair of Master & Dynamic headphones yet
>Looks good unlike Sennheiser or Beyerdynamic
>Sounds good unlike Beats

>>61276369
>appeal to authority
Okay. That doesn't really stand in light of a statistics driven study like the Harman one. It is acceptable to say you do not like the Harman curve. It is not acceptable to say that what you like is "better" or more applicable to people, because that is what the Harman study involved. You must acknowledge that most people will prefer the Harman curve and will not share your opinions, making it the best subjective target.

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>>61276397
That's not funny.

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HyperX Cloud 2 or SteelSeries Arctis 5 for competitive CSGO?

>>61276420
beats by dre

>>61276420
Master & Dynamic MW60

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where should i buy the philips shp9500, in newegg they are $53 but the dont accept international credit cards. and on amazon they are $75

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>>61276402
>It is not acceptable to state an opinion that people will find the Harman target dark sounding
I'll state whatever personal opinions I damn well please.

>>61276416
Lmao. That driver matching is almost as bad as Sennheiser's.

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>>61276439
Yeah, you can, but at this point you've already destroyed your own credibility so I don't expect many will take you seriously.

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>>61276464
If you say so.

How do I

>>61276479
It's the truth.

>Budget
€200-250 (preferably on the lower end of that)

>Location
Netherlands.

>Source
Mainly PC.

>Type of headphone
Full sized, preferably over ear.

>Open or closed
Closed.

>Comfort level
As comfy as possible as I wear headphones most of the time.

>Sound signature
Bassy

>Past headphones
(Sony MDR-XB700) - Had super comfy ear pads and nice bass, unfortunately they started falling apart after about a year.

(JVC HA-S660-B-E) (Temporarily back in use) - Got these after the XB700 ones broke and didn't have a lot of money, pretty bassy but some of the highs felt a bit off, don't really know how else to describe it.

(Sony MDR-XB950)
I actually liked these about as much as the XB700s except the ear pads were a lot smaller, however, they still fit over my ears and didn't make me feel uncomfortable after wearing them for 8-12 hours at a time.
Unfortunately the left ear just decided to break off yesterday and there's no real permanent way of fixing them, and don't I really want to get another pair of these considering HOW they broke, even if they lasted me about 2 1/2 years.
I've gone back to using the JVC ones for the time being as they're the only working pair I currently have.

>>61276420
If you're not willing to switch from gamer headsets to headphones then get the cloud 1 or Arctis 3 (if you want wireless, get the Arctis 7) the USB versions aren't worth the extra money unless you have no built in sound card.

>>61276397
Damn, the Gunmetal / Black leather variant looks nice. Too bad I'm a poorfag that will never splurge on >$200 on just headphones.

>>61275488
>Budget
Up to $800 I guess.

>Location
Arkansas

>Source
Computer. I also need to get an AMP/DAC.

>Type of headphone
over ear

>Open or closed
Closed

>Comfort level
I wear them for long sessions, so good I guess.

>Sound signature
I'm not sure. I mostly play video games with them. I watch movies, tv shows, and anime as well. I don't listen to music too much.

>Past headphones
I had a Monoprice 108323 for a few years, and now I'm using a TekNmotion TM-YB100P.

>>61276232
>says the guy who comes here posting this shit practically every day.

I'm incredibly good, compared to you lmao

>>61276496
BeyerDynamic DT770?

>>61276582
If you need an amp/dac get the Schiit stack. For headphones, I'd suggest the OPPO PM-3. If you have big ears, perhaps the Fostex TH-610 or TH-X00.

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>>61276402
There are legitimate reasons to question the "total authority" which you appear to be giving the Harman target. The sample size is well below the media poll sample size general average of 1,000, and is heavily weighted towards males.

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>>61276654
It appears as if the Harman target used preferred levels averaged across all programs and listeners, which makes the heavily-male-weighted sample size rather problematic.

>>61276654
It is, however, the best we've got. Until something more conclusive comes along, I see no way to suggest the Harman target is significantly off.
>>61276682
And please don't kid yourself, there are no LONDONs here. Females are as irrelevant here as they are in computer science.

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>>61276682
>Method of Adjustments in bass and treble not loudness compensated
This is a ginormous red flag and completely calls into question the validity of the Harman target due to the very well-known phenomenon of listeners subjectively preferring louder music. I'd argue that it's extremely likely that the Harman target's bass boost would be smaller were the methods of bass and treble adjustment loudness compensated.

>>61276714
>Audiometric hearing performance was not tested (except Harman trained listeners)
This is also potentially problematic.

>>61276714
If you compensate loudness, that introduces a whole other set of problems due to the different sensitivities of the human ear to different frequencies. Like I said, it's still the best we've got in terms of subjective preference curves.

>>61276594
idk senpai

>>61276741
>it's still the best we've got
That's your opinion. I'd argue that the limitations of the study I have pointed out render your comment, "You must acknowledge that most people will prefer the Harman curve," to be misguided. It's OK to say that your subjective opinion is that most people will prefer the Harman curve, but to elevate a study with such limitations to factually correct status as you have is foolhardy.

>>61276807
>That's your opinion.
Provide me with a study more scientifically rigorous than the Harman study.

There is more evidence to suggest the Harman curve is the better subjective preference curve than any other subjective preference curve out there. To suggest any curve other than the Harman curve is more subjectively preferable is the real foolhardy thing to do.

>>61276654
I'd like to see a secondary Harman target based solely on trained listener preferences. They probably have no interest in doing this as the goal of the study was to determine how to best design headphones for normies, but I'm sure personality types who like to "do things right" would be very interested in such a curve.

>>61275672

Did further research and looking stuff up, I'm deciding between SHP9500 and ATH-M40x, not sure whether I'm better off using open or closed headphones

Also, should I get an amp for gaming? never used it before and don't have much knowledge on those

>>61276857
For non-normies, there are studies not based on subjective preferences. Basically, the diffuse field curve or the free field curve. If you don't like it, oh well.

>>61276842
It is not my opinion that there is any evidence that a non-loudness-compensated study is an accurate representation of listener preferences. I do not believe this is a logically foolhardy opinion. You have the right to disagree.

>>61276871
Neither headphone you mentioned requires an amp. The SHP9500 are significantly better sounding. It's up to you whether you wish to prioritize sound quality or isolation/leakage.

>>61276912
>It is not my opinion that there is any evidence that a non-loudness-compensated study is an accurate representation of listener preferences.
You do not have any evidence for this claim. There have been no loudness-compensated studies done to the same rigor as the Harman study.
>I do not believe this is a logically foolhardy opinion.
Believing that you know a curve that is more accurate than the Harman curve is a foolhardy opinion. Believing that the Harman study isn't the most scientifically rigorous study we've had so far is a foolhardy opinion. You have the right to have foolhardy opinions.

>>61276948
This entire post is one big appeal to authority fallacy and thus can be summarily ignored.

>>61277043
>citing scientific studies as evidence is now an appeal to authority
You're one of those flat earthers aren't you?

>>61277049
Saying "this curve is better than all others because no others are based on as rigorous of a scientific study" is, in fact, a logical fallacy since even rigorous scientific studies can be flawed.

Not headphones but I'll ask here anyway.

I need speakers for my laptop (with shitty onboard audio) and I'm on a really low budget (~$150). An anon suggested I go for the Behringer Studio 50USB monitors since they'd be foolproof for someone new to audio equipment like me (inbuilt DAC). I'm pretty much set on it but I'd like to hear more opinions before I pull the trigger.

>>61277126
Saying "this scientific study is flawed thus my arbitrary opinion is more valid than it is" is not only a logical fallacy, but also quite an insipid argument.

>>61276948
>You do not have any evidence for this claim.
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/James_Kates2/publication/230679584_Quality_and_loudness_judgments_for_music_subjected_to_compression_limiting/links/00b7d53cd254ba368c000000/Quality-and-loudness-judgments-for-music-subjected-to-compression-limiting.pdf
>Louder, more compressed, music samples were preferred when dynamic-range compression was applied to a moderate extent.
This establishes listener preference for louder music, calling into question the validity of the Harman study's non-loudness-compensated results.

>>61277185
>this scientific study is flawed thus my arbitrary opinion is more valid than it is
Strawman.

>>61277268
That is not a study of subjective preference curves.
>>61277282
If you do not believe your personal opinion is more valid than the Harman target, then I have proven my point. It'd be nice if you could just admit that, but those pesky illogical biases you've got sure seem to make it a difficult task for you.

>>61276496
>>61276594

I'm honestly not a huge fan of the materials they used for the ear cups
I'd prefer the leathery style ones.

>>61277319
While I don't believe my personal opinion is more valid than the Harman target, I believe that the flaws in the Harman study make it no more valid than my opinion.
>That is not a study of subjective preference curves.
Ahahahaha you just got BTFO and that's all you can reply with. We're done here.

>>61277361
Maybe Audio-Technica M40x and HM5 or better third party ear pads?

>>61277528
I like the look of the HM5, however from what I'm reading these aren't particularly bassy headphones.

>>61277626
I meant the HM5 leather earpads not the headphones.

>>61277691
Ahh, gotcha

>>61277691
Also what's the difference between the M40x and the M70x?

Turns out M70x is on sale here, so would I be better off getting those?

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Anyone with experience of Audio-GD products? Seriously thinking about purchasing the NFB 11.28 DAC/AMP over the Schiit stack and Jotunheim.

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>>61275631
massdrop is going to sell another 10k units of the 6XX on july 10th if you're interested

>>61277989
No idea, I go off what I have tried personally.

>>61278166
Fair enough, thanks anyway.

>>61275631
If you're money is limited, the 6xx (aka 650) is the second best headphone you can buy. Otherwise the 600 is better.

>>61275631
>massdrop

>>61275811
Satania a cute. A cute!!

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Idol trash here.
What's your setup like, Anon?

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>Budget
~$300

>Location
USA

>Source
Fiio X1/iphone 6s

>Type
Over ear preferrably

>Open or Closed
Closed

>Comfort level
I'd be willing to sacrifice comfort for sound quality

>Sound signature
Either V shaped or bassy, I'll be listening to Electronic stuff most of the time

>Previous headphones
ATH-M50X, They have a nice clear flat sound, great for a general purpose headphone but seem to lack the punchiness I want for my music.

>>61278481
>M50X
>flat
t.Quentarterious

>>61278586
Are they not? I really have nothing else to judge them by.

>>61278586
They're very bass-heavy.

>>61278631
They're kind of like packing your ears with mud and using a dentist's drill inside the mud to reproduce sound.

>>61278481
Ultrasone or Beyer dt770 for electronic(trance). Other than that you want an armature driven IEM for good reproduction of fast bass lines.

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Are any of you familiar with DIY amps? I'm looking to build one but there are so many options that I don't know what I'm looking at. I read from various fora that DIY amps are far better than the commercial ones.

>>61276152
Let me correct some of the misinformation in your post.

Firstly Headroom doesn't use independent of direction, it uses diffuse field equalization.

I'm not arguing for or against any particular headphone. Golden Ears measurements aren't worth much because it doesn't give you detailed information because of its smoothing.

Diffuse field equalization is an ISO standard, and still remains the most accurate way to measure headphones against.

It is generally agreed by the guys who know their measurements to use Harman's target and Diffuse Field, the Harman target while not completely accurate has a lot of research that went into it.

I don't understand the mention of Etymotics, ER-4S is diffuse field with less treble, ER-4B is diffuse field. HD600 can also be considered to be diffuse field with less treble.

>>61277989
M70X is said to be very bright.
>>61277361
There's leather pads on the DT770 32 Ohm version. The 32 Ohm isn't said to be very good but you might like the pads.
>>61278481
Custom Studio

Tinnitus.

>>61278837
Eh, imo I would say commercial ones are better as you'd expect (and hope...) engineers have put some time into design a great system.

I'm looking at building a valve amp myself, not really because of the sound, but just because it's fun fucking around with these things and be able to have something at the end of it.

tl;dr DIY amps are fun to make, regardless of what type.

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>>61275290
How the fuck do I get this working with it

>>61275889
I think they're pretty good on the bass, actually. I've let a couple friends and family try them out for some songs and they said the same thing. Only thing it's really missing IMO is that sub-bass rumble but that's not really a huge deal for the songs I listen to.

>Budget
$40-100, preferably lower

>Location
US

>Source
Computer/Phone

>Type of headphone
Full Sized

>Open or closed
Closed

>Comfort level
Fairly Comfortable, to be worn for long periods daily

>Sound signature
neutral

>Past headphones
HD662EVOs- Great headphones, except the connection of the wire to the plastic is very weak and broke after only a few months. Thinking about another pair, but I don't want them breaking again

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>>61279014
So you're saying Beyerdynamics have the most accurate amount of treble and Sennheisers don't?

Tinnitus.

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>>61275108 is me.
I don't know why you stupid fucks are greentexing me. I was saying I didn't want a literal tube in my ears, and I just wanted IEMS that actually fit in my ear properly.
>>61275315
Why the fuck do you think I'm asking for what to buy now, retard?

>>61278837
dynalo for amp,
dam1021 for dac

>>61279014
>Firstly Headroom doesn't use independent of direction, it uses diffuse field equalization.
Source? They don't seem to specify their compensation curve on:
https://www.headphone.com/pages/evaluating-headphones
https://www.headphone.com/pages/measuring-headphones
>Golden Ears measurements aren't worth much because it doesn't give you detailed information because of its smoothing.
Nonsense. "Muh smoothing" is much ado about nothing. Their measurements give a good idea of the general sound signature of a headphone, smoothing or not.
>Diffuse field equalization is an ISO standard, and still remains the most accurate way to measure headphones against.
It may be a standard, but headphones flat to it subjectively sound bright.
>It is generally agreed by the guys who know their measurements
Nonsense appeal to authority fallacy.
>I don't understand the mention of Etymotics
ER-4S is the subjectively most balanced sounding headphone to a lot of people. There is room for subjectivity and opinions in headphone discussion.

>>61279730
Somic MM185/CB-1
NVX XPT100/HM5
Teac-TH02/Monoprice 8320(8323?) With HM5 Pads/XPT100 pads.

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>>61275694

Cheapest amp that can do 25mw@250ohm?
FX audio dac x6 can do it for $65. Can't find specs for their x3 amp.
Don't care if it has a dac, don't care if it's desktop or portable form factor.
Do care that it lasts a long time.

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>>61280493
>filename
Accurate. Doing God's work, anon.

Tinnitus.

>>61280493
Wasn't it literally like two days ago when rtings ratings were posted by sennshills before someone realized beyer was rated higher
I wonder which site will be next

>>61280710
I think people were using rtings to say that HD600 has good soundstage.
As a side note, I think it's ridiculous that they give something as subjective and nebulous as soundstage as high of a weight towards their overall scores as they do.

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>>61280493
Corrected a slight typo.

>>61280701
Hearing low frequencies due undamage hearing? Thats far worse.
And nothing can be done about it, because you can't damage your ears in a specific manner, only wear them.

>>61280860
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

>>61280898
Don't you mean "sound like"???

Opinions on the Vmoda crossfade?

>>61281136
There's more than one model of that. Which one?

>>61281151
Wireless 2

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>>61281196
>wireless

>>61281221
They're not my primaries, I need something for my commute.

>>61279522
Answer me fuckers

>>61281196
>>61281136
NiggaBass, similar to the Vmoda M100. They look pretty fucking wonky in terms of aesthetics.

>>61281334
>Niggabass

Shiiiiiiiiiiiet

Got any recommendations for wireless shit at a comprable price?

>>61281427
>wireless headphones that do not significantly compromise sound quality for "convenience" which can be largely duplicated with a headphone cable clip attached to your collar
There are none.

>>61280174
>Source?
https://www.head-fi.org/f/threads/building-a-headphone-measurement-lab.482386/page-5

>"Muh smoothing"
Smoothing limits the amount of information that can be seen. Good for you if you think it's a non-issue.

>mentions my appeal to authority but mentions that ER-4S is subjectively the most balanced sounding headphone.
Nice argumentum ad populum. And no, Etymotic earphones while very neutral are pretty much niche.

So, I just can't pull the trigger on these expensive headphones based on hearsay alone. Is the any stores that carry high end headphones that you can try out? I'll drive for hours to get to one if there is.

>Budget
140$ ?
>Location
NY / America
>Source
Amazon preferably, but I live in NYC so it should be easy to find a pair in stores if its not uncommon.
>Type of headphone
Over ear (not on ear or in ear)
>Open or closed
I don't care
>Comfort level
supreme. (i would wear things for a large % of my life)
>Sound signature
eh, not really an audiophile but something nice
>Past headphones
a lot of sony mdrs.

>>61281493
Thanks for source. I still maintain that a headphone completely accurate to the diffuse field curve, like an ER-4B, will sound bright to most people and is not desirable.

>>61281537
HAZE, YOU ARE A CROSS EYED WHORE KEK. XDDDDDD BIG BALLZ

>>61281581
slap nuts please give me a good rec

>>61281537
SHP9500 or HD558

>>61281581
>>61281597
>>reddit

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Recommendations on budget earbuds?
I've had several pairs of these over the years and I still have to find a better price/performance pair than them.
I have a good track record with Phillips, any other models from them I should look out for?

>>61281614
VE Monk Plus

>>61281614
"Earbud" type designs (as opposed to IEMs) generally completely lack bass response. Try Panasonic RP-HJE120s instead; they're far more comfortable than your average IEM.

>>61281537
BUY DT 880s so that you can shill them. XD.

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>>61281581
>SNEF

S L A P N U T T

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>>61281630
Friends don't let friends buy Beyerdynamics.

>>61281630
Or buy HD600s and shill those. OC, you will need to make custom memes based off of hd 880s.

>>61281614

Phillips SHE3590 was greatest of all time

but they stopped making it :( i just go KZ and wait for chink shipping - i really miss just being able buy my $10 phillips headphones at the local shops whenever i busted a pair

>>61281654
i'd rather slapnutts Beyerdynamics.

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>>61281673
B E A T S A H

>>61278107
Do they ship worldwide? Please answer, I'm too autist to ask.

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>>61281695

AKG?

>>61281708
THOSE only work if u jewish,.

>>61281722
slapp nutt <3<3<#<##<# #<R:L$pfcc

>>61281735
NO U. SLAPNUT

>>61281735
no u slapp nutt

Tinnitus.

>>61281781
SLAPNUTZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

>>61281531
>Is the any stores that carry high end headphones that you can try out?

Nope. Not that I've ever heard of.

>>61281427
>Crossfade 2 $350USD
MDR1000X
QC35
DSR7BT
MSR7
CB-1
662 EVO
Custom One Pro
Custom Studio
Custom One Pro
MSR7
First three are full bluetooth with a cable, the others can be made bluetooth using a bluetooth reciever.

Oh shit, are we being hit by the spambots now?

>>61281531
Unless you're in the middle of a desert there should be a store nearby that will let you try them if they have them. Just be polite and buy them from them, for the service.

>>61282111
You'd think so, but I'm in Memphis, TN. No one would trust the locals here with not trying to steal them. Maybe I'll try to see if Nashville has them tomorrow.

Tinnitus.

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>>61282572
Delet this.

>>61278070
I am. I have the NFB-11. It's great and I highly recommend it

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>Budget
~$150-200

>Location
US

>Source
iPhone 7

>Type of headphone
Full set headphone with mic, plus point for wireless

>Open or closed
Both works

>Comfort level
Decent usage, maybe between 1-5 hours.

>Past headphones
Apple Earbuds, and Logitech G430 for gaming

>Usage
Listening to music. I mainly listen to post-rock, so I want a good range of tones.

>>61282677
SHP9500 + BoomPro

>>61282677
Meant not wireless, just for listening to music. RIP ME

>>61282677
To use on the go or not? Your iphone as source suggests the former, which is a very special use case.

>>61282727
I usually listen to music from my phone at home while doing homework and other stuff. I also wanted to use them at school or for riding in the car.

>>61282761
Ignore >>61282707 then.

>>61282761
Status CB-1 with a 3.5mm male to male that has a mic.

>>61282677
>>61282761
OK, then you need something comfortable, open, neutralish.

Look into Sennheiser HD579.

>>61282861
>open at school
>open riding in the car with others
That seems like a bad idea.

>>61282882
Nevermind... I failed to read the second sentence properly. Added a not that isn't there.

With that budget, I'd suggest getting some portapros or similar for using on the go, and good headphones like HD579 for home.

>>61282916
I'd consider the SHP9500 superior to the HD579 even at a much lower price, especially in terms of build quality.

>>61282942
>SHP9500
>build quality 7
http://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews/philips/shp9500-hifi-precision-stereo
Same as HD599, etc. (rtings doesn't have the HD579)
But the SHP9500 seems to have worse imaging, and more distortion :X

>>61283056
>rtings
>>61280801
But really, you can tell the SHP9500 is built better by just looking at it. There's more metal and the detachable cable isn't proprietary, which is massive. It's also considerably more neutral/balanced sounding than the V-shaped HD579.

>>61283080
The SHP9500 can also take a BoomPro without modification, whereas HD579 will require modification and thus voiding of warranty. He did say he wants a mic, presumably to talk on the phone with or game with.

>>61281427
I have a Bluedio Turbine t2 and the bass (when I am using poweramp) is unreal. And the batteries last hours.

>>61283080
>>61283128
desu the shp9500 looks uncomfortable to me. The comfort of the HD558/598/599/579 is hard to beat. Easy to forget you're wearing them.

>>61283173
>looks
That's certainly relevant. They're pretty universally considered extremely comfortable.

>>61283205
Trying to decypher rtings scores for shit other than critical listening.
http://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews/philips/shp9500-hifi-precision-stereo
http://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews/sennheiser/hd-599

Or why the HD599 is rated higher on everything else than sound.

>>61283236
>rtings
Stop. They said the Harman target's bass boost was based on room reflections, which is incorrect, demonstrating their incompetence. Stop. They are not a good reference.

>>61283253
>sound
Not sound. The other ratings.

>>61283292
Those two headphones rate equally on comfort there, but I still cannot consider rtings credible for assessing anything. Their mistake re: the Harman target's bass boost is highly indicative of a general lack of attention to detail.

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Hey guys, I have had a pair of ATH-M50 for years and I am looking to upgrade now. I am seriously considering the ATH-MSR7. How do you guys feel about it? I have been reading very good things about them.

>>61283323
HD6XX

What would be the most convenient way of using headphones with the living room TV when you're sitting five metres away.

>>61283323

Oh right, willing to spend up to $300 but would feel much better if I kept it under $250.

>>61275488
>Budget
Preferably sub $100 but I'm willing to go a little higher

>Location
US

>Source
Desktop

>Type of headphone
full

>Open or closed
Closed. I'm unfortunate enough to live next to a bunch of spics that like to blast their shitty music in their backyards and I'd like drown that out as much as possible

>Comfort level
They'd mostly be used for a few hours at a time

>Past headphones
The nicest headset I've ever used was a turtlebeach one from my xbox days

I'm not a fan of heavy bass but otherwise I'm not too concerned by the sound signature

>>61283357
Status CB-1

>>61283329

From what little I have read, seems pretty promising. Used to own a pair of Sennheiser and they were super comfy.

>>61283329

For some reason I can't find them for sale, any other suggestions?

>>61283400
They're on Massdrop, but they're open headphones; I'd assume you're looking for closed headphones since you're considering ATH-MSR7. I think we can probably help you better if you follow the format in http://pastebin.com/fYZLW7Ub

>>61283400
It's not available (again) until the 10th on Massdrop. Dunno how to get a guest link off Massdrop to see without an account

>>61283363
Thanks for the quick reply friendo

>>61283421
>>61283421
>>61283431

>Budget
$300 but preferably under $250

>Location
Anchorage, Alaska

>Source
Laptop

>Type of Headphones
Full sized

>Open or closed
Don't really care

>Comfort Level
Enough to wear for at least a couple of hours

>Past Headphones
ATH M50 and Sennheiser HD5xx (can't remember what they were, 500 series though).

Alright thanks in advance for any suggestions guys!

>>61283487
HD600. Get them first and see if they're loud enough without an amp. If they're not, get a Schiit Fulla 2 (order directly from Schiit).

>Budget
$100-170

>Location
USA

>Source
PC

>Type of headphone
Full

>Open or closed
c l o s e d

>Comfort level
comfy enough to wear 4-8 hours or longer

>Sound signature
v-shape or bassy

>Past headphones
some old turtle beaches and a pair of hyperx clouds

>>61283510
DT770

>>61283510
Custom Studio

>>61283569
>>61283510
Er, to be more specific, DT770 80 ohm.

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>>61283569
>>61283578
thank

Here's a convenient solution for quick switching between Equalizer APO configs for those of you who use it with multiple headphones, or with multiple speakers:

@echo off
copy /b /y "d:\sp\config.txt" "c:\program files\equalizerapo\config\config.txt"

Just save that as a .bat file and place a shortcut to the .bat on your desktop or in start menu. Replace d:\sp with whatever folder you want to keep the config.txt and .bat file in. The batch copies the config.txt from your desired location and pastes it into your Equalizer APO config folder, instantly changing your Equalizer APO settings as a result.

>>61283691
>or with multiple speakers:
Er, or with speakers and headphones. FTFM.

>Budget
~300AUD
>Location
Australia
>Source
Computer (with cheap dac/amp)
>Open or closed
Probably closed, I don't want to disturb others
>Comfort level
Maximum comfy
>Sound Signature
Balanced
>Past headphones
AKG K271s, pretty happy with them

>>61283820
DT250 80 ohm

>>61283510
dt770 or mdr V6

Only headphones worth their salt are bowers and Wilkins p9 or at least p7. Unless you are a dog and cannot hear any interesting frequencies don't spend your shekels on anything else.

>>61281697
yes except to asia and countries that don't matter

>>61278070
Dunno about Jot, but I prefer NFB-11 over Fulla/Magni with my M1060. Didn't hear any improvement with 598Cs.

>>61283173
They are the most comfortable pair I own, and the second most comfy I've ever tried.

(First is Nightowl Carbon, but I can't justify $700 just for comfy yet)

>>61283510
HD380 Pro

>>61284693
I like them but I don't find them comfy, just ok, and the pads are too earm for 4 hours of use.

>>61284831
Maybe because I've had them for a year now;
They're comfy AF and they still do isolate crazy well. To the point I was listening to music on low volume, and didn't hear the fire siren.
Thankfully, a coworker poked me, and it was just a simulation after all.

Tinnitus.

>Budget
200$
>Location
Israel
>Source
Computer / Laptop / Phone
>Type of headphone
Full-sized headphones with mic
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
High. Only one of the headphones I've tried caused me ear pain after thirty minutes to an hour of use because they squish my ears.
>Sound signature
Don't know. Going to be using it for some freaky progressive metal and for voice chats.
>Past headphones
Best headphones I've had up until now were the HyperX Cloud X headset and they were the best pair I've ever had, except for the problem that a friend got them at E3 and they were defective and quickly broke down (and there's nobody willing to fix these damn things here).

>Budget
£300 used/new
>Location
UK
>Source
Magni 2 + Modi 2
>Type of headphone
Full-size, planar magnetic
>Comfort level
High
>Past headphones
HD 600, MDR-7506

>>61276065
Have L2s and spare brainwavz pads that came with mu HM5

Can't test it now though, since I'm a few thousand miles from home

Please tell me how it goes if you do.

>>61285659
Look into HD380 Pro.
>>61285833
LCD-2 perhaps. Else HE400i.

So, Superlux apparently makes good sounding ripoffs of expensive headphones, yet I don't see them recommended often.
What gives?

Tinnitus.

>>61287080
WHAT?

I have heard horror stories about the MDR-1000x (hinge breaking after a few months of use). Did they fix this with a hardware revision or should i just go for the QC35?

Tinnitus.

>>61285659
Logitech UE 6000.

>>61282572
Doesn't really affect my music listening at all desu. It's annoying in general though.

>>61284160
lmao

>>61287080
queer

How do I find a headphone loving virgin gf

I'm trying to use WASAPI with MPC-HC, but none of the settings in LAV Audio Decoder appear to be working. I have exclusive mode checked in the MPC options, and all the options to allow bitstreaming, but it isn't actually in exclusive mode. I'm using a TOSLINK cable hooked up to a DAC which my headphones are plugged into. Audio source is AC3. What am I overlooking?

>>61286975
SHP9500 have made all the open Superluxes irrelevant.

>>61289479
>WASAPI
Complete placebophile bullshit. A waste of your time. Will not audibly sound better than without it. Not worth limiting audio to one application at a time. Disallows use of Equalizer APO which, honestly, everyone should be using as every pair of headphones and almost any speaker setup can benefit from it.

>>61289512
I immediately noticed a difference when using it with foobar2000, but then again that could be placebo from how much louder the audio is. What is Equalizer APO and why should I be using it?

>>61289539
Your comparison was not valid if it was louder after enabling WASAPI than before as listener preference for louder music has been established by https://www.researchgate.net/profile/James_Kates2/publication/230679584_Quality_and_loudness_judgments_for_music_subjected_to_compression_limiting/links/00b7d53cd254ba368c000000/Quality-and-loudness-judgments-for-music-subjected-to-compression-limiting.pdf
http://ethanwiner.com/believe.html also explains the claims of some who swear WASAPI makes an audible difference, as it applies to headphones as well as speakers, since headphones' sound can change even with slight movements on the head.
Equalizer APO is a system-wide parametric equalizer for Windows.
>and why should I be using it?
Because no pair of headphones presents a perfect/ideal frequency response, and speakers will only present an ideal frequency response if they're very good in a very good listening room, which I don't think most people here have.

>>61289602
I'll take your word for it and disable the plugin, at least to see if cranking up the system volume produces the same quality to my ears. Speaking of which, what is the generally agreed upon ideal setting for system volume vs. amp volume?

on a scale of 1 to 10. How hard would it be to mod detachable cables on the massdrop Fostex? Are they even that great of a value that it would be worth it to do that (over getting something else)?

I see a full set soldering kit for $20 on amazon. The solder wire rolls for $7 each. A connector can't cost that much so probably $10 off ebay depending on what I want?

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>>61275488
>broke my headphone cable a couple of years ago
>still not bothered to fix it
>survived on earpods and crappy speakers ever since

>>61289651
Software volume controls should always be set to 100%. Digital volume control lowers signal to noise ratio except in the very rare case of a program given access to the internal data path of a 32-bit DAC: http://www.esstech.com/files/3014/4095/4308/digital-vs-analog-volume-control.pdf

>>61289808
Thanks. Setting the volume to 100% produces the same results, so I'll just do that instead of falling for placebo I guess.

Looking for IEMs as my current one, the Panasonic RP-HJE125E-K, is falling apart.. Thought these earphones were great though. Been looking at the Betron B750s and the Betron DC950 as potential upgrades. Links in mentioned order:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Panasonic-RP-HJE125E-K-Ergo-Ear-Headphone-Black/dp/B00CBU0IV8/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Betron-Earphones-Headphones-Definition-Isolating/dp/B00I3LTQ9O?th=1
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Betron-Headphones-Earphones-Definition-Replaceable/dp/B00N771OEE/ref=zg_bs_10395651_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=YQVECB86NF1N849FK6S9

Anyone think either of the Betrons are worth the extra above the Panasonic? If not I'll just stick to it desu. Served me for almost three years now. I'm mainly looking for better noise isolation if possible though, and cheap.

Any anon have experience with a Oppo HA-2 or HA-2 SE? I've sprung for an IE800 for my work setup and I was looking into portable dac amps. The HA-2 seems like the most un-autistic looking out of the bunch that promises performance.

Tinnitus.

>>61289968
>I'm mainly looking for better noise isolation if possible
https://warosu.org/g/thread/S61222356#p61237316
Make foam + silicone tips like I did out of the stock HJE-125 tips. It'll significantly improve noise isolation. You won't find any IEMs at any price more comfortable than HJE-120/HJE-125 so I'd advise just sticking with them. Also,
https://warosu.org/g/thread/S61175064#p61177017 this will prevent your new IEMs from breaking in the most common ways.
Read https://www.head-fi.org/f/threads/6-panasonic-rp-hje120-surprisingly-usable.594945/page-3#post-13576623 if you'd like to EQ HJE-120/HJE-125 (same thing, just one has a mic) to a balanced sound signature or a Harman target-like sound signature.

>>61290715
>You won't find any IEMs at any price more comfortable than HJE-120/HJE-125
Well, outside of customs, of course.

Soundcard vs DAC?
Why?
Recommendations?

>>61290805
DAC+amp. Fulla 2.
>Why?
A soundcard might be noisy because of your PC internals. An analog volume control is superior to digital software volume control: http://www.esstech.com/files/3014/4095/4308/digital-vs-analog-volume-control.pdf
It may be inconvenient to access the back of your PC to plug in/unplug devices.

>>61290825
>fulla 2
Scratchy ass volume knob. Not recommended.

>>61290952
This is a potential problem with any analog volume knob which does not affect sound during playback when you are not turning the knob and is easily remedied with contact spray.

>>61290971
Yes, void that warranty. Schiit also has awful customer support.

>>61290996
Do you have personal experience with Schiit customer support?

>>61290971
I have found that rolling a scratchy volume knob back and forth all the way 10-20 times rapidly usually temporarily gets rid of the scratchiness. It's a minor inconvenience at best.

>>61291075
Just look online for accounts of it. There are plenty.
>>61291101
Did not work for me.

>>61290952
>If you dislike a suggestion, explain why and try giving a better suggestion to whomever asked.

Oh, also forgot that the Fulla 2 makes a super loud popping noise every time you turn your computer on or off. Fucking great little device.
>>61291126
Literally anything other than the fulla. E10k, DAC-X6, whatever.

>>61290996
how does it change if you order through Amazon (not that I would buy a Schiit after they handled the Asgard shit)?

buying direct from them only has a 15-day period to return along with a restocking fee, but no way that's acceptable with Amazon.

>>61291179
I'd trust Amazon more but my volume pot issues only started a few months in. So Amazon wouldn't have helped.

>>61290952
Fulla 2, owned for half a year, no such issue.
The pot used is the same as in the magni2, for what is worth.

>>61291216
It's quite common, consider yourself lucky. However in the face of such bad QC, I can no longer with a good conscience recommend the Fulla 2.

>>61291244
>bad QC
The pot they use is a really good pot.
You were unfortunately unlucky and got a dud, but that doesn't say anything about the device.
Did you even try to get it replaced?

>>61282572
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yL75EvCp0w

>>61291244
>Mine was bad so...
>It's got bad QC!
>HAET shiit!

>>61291264
Many people were "unlucky". When I researched the issue there were many accounts of people not only receiving "duds" but also being unable to get them replaced by schiit.

>>61291137
E10 was known for scratchy knobs as well. Don't know if they fixed it with E10k.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ZReviews/comments/6ck59x/fx_audio_dac_x6_or_smsl_m3/
https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/5rk667/fxaudio_dac_x6_gain_jumpers/
These links suggest the DAC-X6 probably has a 10 ohm output impedance, which is not desirable. I can't seem to find confirmation of its output impedance.

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reposting because of bitches
>Budget
Around 50$, but I want to save up to get the best I can, so recommend regardless of price.
>Location
USA
>Source
Fiio X5, 3rd gen.
>Type of headphone
IEMS
>Comfort level
Need to fit as comfortable in my ear as possible. They also need to block out noise, as I am often a passenger in the car for long hours.
>Sound signature
Don't really know. I listen to synthwave, rock, hip-hop, chiptune, metal, and still discovering many others.
>Past headphones
Using IEMS where the bass is really overpowered

>>61291294
Regardless, there are cheap amp/dacs out there without these issues.

>>61291290
>but also being unable to get them replaced by schiit.
Provide examples. In my quick reading of the Fulla 2 thread on head-fi, I only saw people with replacement issues who didn't live in USA.

>>61291290
>there were many accounts of people not only receiving "duds" but also being unable to get them replaced by schiit.
I googled for that, to no avail. I could only find one account.
To be fair to them, no matter what, you can just send it back during the first 15 days. That's pretty good service, desu.

My Fulla 2 has a slight scratch on the right side if you adjust the volume with nothing playing.

>>61291321
Most likely, in exchange, it's not a direct volume control, so there's a permanent loss vs slight annoyance.
>>61291341
Mine's still black. I might be very fortunate. Still, other than using a good pot, which they already do, or compromising sound with indirect control, I don't see what they can do about it.

>don't buy Fulla 2 because it makes sounds when adjusting volume or turning on/off computer, but not while you're actually listening to music and not fiddling with the volume
What a giant nothingburger.

>>61291331
>>61291337
Here are two from the first couple of results on Google. No doubt there are more. Please put more effort into reading or stop being disingenuous.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/2yqrz3/static_when_adjusting_fulla_volume_schiit_says/
https://www.head-fi.org/f/threads/schiit-fulla-2-impressions-thread.828228/page-54
>>61291365
The artifacts of digital volume control are similar to that of equalization. They're inaudible.

>>61290996
Not that guy but they don't have terrible customer support in my experience. I sent my fulla back to america on accident when I was supposed to send it to the UK base. They said that they aren't supposed to fix it, but they did it for me anyway. They then sent it back fast, and free of charge. The scratchy pot thing is a bit annoying but it doesn't affect actual listening so it doesn't really matter.

>>61290805
An external amp+dac is a good idea. You'll likely get superior sound quality using one.

>Recommendations?

Depends on what your budget is like, but if it were up to me, I'd say go with this: http://www.audio-gd.com/Pro/Headphoneamp/NFN1128/NFB1128EN.htm

>>61291370
Schiit has a product for these kinda people: http://schiit.com/products/saga
>Relay Stepped Attenuator

>>61291384
>No doubt there are more.
Grab the pitchforks!
>digital volume control
Sorry but no. http://www.esstech.com/files/3014/4095/4308/digital-vs-analog-volume-control.pdf

>>61275694
no one mentioned the 990s you cuck.

>>61291426
Does not comment on the audibility of artifacts. You can't hear the difference between 24 bits and 16 bits.

>>61291444
t. Assblasted HD 600 owner

Is multibit a meme? Thinking of Modi 2 multibit + Asgard 2 versus Jotunheim to feed HD600's and KRK monitors.

>>61291446
I'd rather have a good pot and direct volume control and live with the annoyances of a minor sound when moving the knob on silence, than any compromise when actually listening to music.
That kind of design decision is very Schiit, and honestly makes a lot of sense.

I was scared off the Schiit stack because of these issues, and it's not encouraging either on how much shilling goes through headfi.

I bought a Topping chinkshit stack instead, hopefully I don't regret that.

>>61291493
There is no compromise unless you are not a human being with human ears and are actually an oscilloscope in disguise.

>>61291365
>I don't see what they can do about it.
Dragonfly Black seems to have an elegant solution to this: on Windows, iPhone, Android and Linux, system volume control actually controls the Dragonfly's 64-step analog volume control. This eliminates the issue of software volume control lowering signal to noise ratio.
>>61290805 may wish to look into a Dragonfly Black, which I'm reading also functions as a line-level output for speakers.

>>61291491
>Is multibit a meme? Thinking of Modi 2 multibit + Asgard 2 versus Jotunheim to feed HD600's and KRK monitors.
Multibit and Balanced are both Real.
As to whether it makes any actual perceiveable difference in sound, that's a different story.
The measurements say no. Subjective reviewers say yes, but they lack proper testing methods (double blind), so they're safe to ignore.

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>>61291488
nope, just tired of shills.

>>61291491
>Asgard 2
Don't do that to yourself. Asgard 2 does, afaik, measure worse than magni, while being expensive and a massive inefficient oven of an amp.
I'd go multibit + magni2uber or multibit+jotunheim for full multibit+balanced meme.

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>>61291573
Seiyuu idols a best.

75$ budget
Max Comfort
Canada
Phone + laptop + walkman
Shitty 2$ IEMs

What

>>61291526
>Subjective reviewers say yes
http://ethanwiner.com/believe.html This applies to headphones since headphones' sound change even with slight movements on the head.

>>61291631
Fuck me,
What IEM should i get?
I'd rather not have a chance to get chincked,
So I'd rather get something from amazon or something local to canada.

>>61291631
>https://forums.redflagdeals.com/hot-deals-f9/?c=5124
while it was a bit above your budget, you missed the sale for the $149 Sennheiser HD598.

probably the best value for a no-amp headphone

>>61291631
Look into HD558. At the current price, it's a steal.
Carefully avoid HD559, it's worse.

75$ budget
Max Comfort
Canada
Phone + laptop + walkman
Shitty 2$ IEMs
Any non chink proper IEMS that won't gape my earholes?
I really rather not get chincked.

>>61291756 new thread

>>61291693
I'm disappointed that Sennheiser created V-shaped downgrades to the HD558/HD598 with the 559, 579 and 599.

Tinnitus.

>>61290715
Ay cheers man appreciate the help. I'll stick with the 125 then, and try out this earplug method. Do you think messing around with these earplugs (which I have) could be aite too? Just a thought.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Etymotic-Research-Fidelity-Earplugs-Polybag-Blue-Tip-Clear-Stem/dp/B00G0PPTAK/ref=dp_ob_title_ce

I'll try and look for JB Weld in store but I've never seen it in the UK. Will probably order it online desu - looks like a good fix. And do you solve the 'added bass response' you get with the earplugs using your last link? Cheers again m888.

>>61292039
>Do you think messing around with these earplugs (which I have) could be aite too? Just a thought.
No idea without having them in my hands. I just used standard foam earplugs you can buy at the drug store.
>And do you solve the 'added bass response' you get with the earplugs using your last link?
If you go ahead and try EQing them as the link described, give them a listen post-EQ without the foam in the tips first, then with the foam in the tips. If they subjectively sound bassier, just adjust the gain (the -10) in the filter provided until it sounds the same to you as without the foam: 30 Hz, -10 dB, Q 0.1
So, if the foam adds bass to your ears, change -10 to -11, to -12, etc. until it sounds like it did without the foam to you.