/hpg/ - Headphone General

>>61291756
first for traps

75$ budget
Max Comfort
Canada
Phone + laptop + walkman
Shitty 2$ IEMs
Any non chink proper IEMS that won't gape my earholes?
I really rather not get chinked.

This is a reminder that subjective reports of >$100 DACs/amps having a positive audible benefit to audio are entirely caused by the sound of headphones changing with slight movements on the head. Don't buy snake oil, /hpg/.

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Idol trash here.
What's your setup like, Anon?

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Does anyone want me to upload the ebook of this? There's a .epub and a .mobi version

https://www.amazon.com/Audio-Expert-Everything-Need-About-ebook/dp/B00ABLEF4A

>>61291873
what if I bought a DAC and an AMP that costed $200 altogether

>Budget
110$ tops
>Location
Czech Republic - Central Europe, but i'm open to shopping overseas if the headphones are sub 95$ - otherwise i get raped by customs
i still prefer something that is widely available though
>Source
Xperia X Compact mainly, sometimes iPod Nano
>Type of headphone
IEMs
>Comfort level
something that won't rape my ears would be nice, thanks
>Sound signature
neutral - i mostly listen to prog metal
>Past headphones
KZ-ATE - decent, kinda bassy, good for the price
AKG K240 - my current home headphones, love them, if i could get with a similar sound signature that would be A+

>>61292067
$100 is overkill for a standalone DAC.

WHAT ARE GOOD IEMS UNDER 100$

>>61292214
oh no..

>>61291756
is she a virgin

>>61292250
https://hifimediy.com/sabre-dac-uae23
$42 gets you this: http://alkasar.online.fr/mesures/HifiMeDIY%20SABRE%2024-96%20DAC%20v1.htm
Transparent. I'm sorry you overpaid for a DAC.

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What are the best headphones for around $150 that don't require an amp? My headphones are finally dying after all these years and I need to replace them. Can't justify spending extra money on an amp, I just use my computer. I was thinking about the AKG551 because I've liked my AKG headphones in the past, but I don't know how well they'd work without an amp.

i'll just repost until i get actual replies
>Budget
Around 50$, but I want to save up to get the best I can, so recommend regardless of price.
>Location
USA
>Source
Fiio X5, 3rd gen.
>Type of headphone
IEMS
>Comfort level
Need to fit as comfortable in my ear as possible. They also need to block out noise, as I am often a passenger in the car for long hours.
>Sound signature
Don't really know. I listen to synthwave, rock, hip-hop, chiptune, metal, and still discovering many others.
>Past headphones
Using IEMS where the bass is really overpowered

>>61291936
Definitely. Go /t/.

>>61292378
HD558 with foam mod, HD598 is practically the same thing but without the foam pad changing the sound.

>>61291756
5pb!

>>61292378
HD558 or SHP9500
>>61292479
I don't even recommend voiding the warranty via the foam mod. It creates a very small difference in sound; like 2 dB of upper midrange response. They sound great without it.

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>>61292479
Why would Sennheiser do this?

>>61292559
So they can sell the same exact headphone at two different price points and put a cheap piece of foam in one of them to make it sound slightly different. The point of it is to be able to sell the HD598 at a very high profit margin. That's capitalism for you; not hating on capitalism, either.

>>61292626
Are there measurements of foamed, unfoamed and hd598? At least FR and distortion.
I have a hard time believing this, particularly as the HD558 is more neutral to begin with.

>>61292652
Foam mod measurements: http://www.changstar.com/www.changstar.com/index.php/topic%2C65.10.html
HD558/598 measurements:
http://en.goldenears.net/12270
http://en.goldenears.net/8494
The GE measurements show the only major difference in FR between the two headphones is the HD558 has a couple decibels more upper midrange response. The Changstar measurements show that the foam mod removes a couple decibels of upper midrange response from the HD558. This confirms that the HD598 is essentially an HD558 without the foam.

So you guys don't answer questions about IEMs?
I really need a good IEM under 100$

>>61292626
I should add they're not really the exact headphone, but they're very close. The HD558's headband is nicer, so that's another reason to ignore the HD598.

>>61287377
Had mine for a couple months of normal use and they're fine. I can't speak for others though

>>61292180
Under 3k Kč you can probably look into the Etymotic mk5 (~2k Kč) for the "true neutral" sound or the Shure SE215 for something warmer. If you're ever around Prague or Brno, visit Audigo, they have a couple Etys and the Shure, among others, in the store for you to try out.

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which one should i get. m1060 or nighthawks

>>61292888
Trips checked. I live in Prague, so i will definitely check out Audigo. Thanks!

>>61292905
M1060

>>61292905
Monoprice is only good for cheap cables.

>>61292905
Nighthawks. It does depend on what you currently have to listen to.

>>61291876
Schiit Stack, X2's, HD600's, M1060's.
At this point I don't see a need to get another set of open headphones for quite some time.

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>>61293094
Nice selection. Very correct re:need.
In your position, however, I'd be curious about electrostatics.

so how much better are ath-im02's against my current iem (re-400's)? like obviously I know the build quality won't be so finicky, but is the audio leaps and bounds better?

>>61293094
Sell everything but the HD 600. Why would anyone want to listen to colored trash like the X2 or M1060

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>>61291936
>>61292449
https://mega.nz/#!cFEChAza!hoyl4DR1hC_cmWYOWnAI6n8ocfjl9YvEAGBy77JKt-Q

Are bluetooth sets a meme?
Should i stay with wired or are wireless headsets any good?

>>61293262
theyre fine if you plan to be active ever; i know i couldnt run around without being bothered by microphonics. but skip if you just want to critically listen

>>61293226
X2's are for fun and mobile use. M1060 Revision were to try out entry level planar. They aren't bad, they just aren't great. But hey, that's what you get for 300 dollars.
>>61293135
I'm mildly curious, my issue is now that I've listened to neutral headphones I know what sound signature I enjoy. Warm with some good bass. I don't care if they are open or closed, but the X2's satisfy my bass needs while the HD600's the comfort and clarity with the M1060's having that nice planar response. Put all those together and give me a recommendation for the future.

>>61293235
Cool, much appreciated.

>>61293317
i definitely plan to.
what do you guys think proper headphones, in ear or not for going on a run, working out, or something that's really portable.

Also, i'm concerned health wise, since extended exposure to bluetooth causes cancer.

And i guess i'll also ask for good detachable wire stuff as well

$60~ budget
Good balance between not destroying my ears but still sounding good
USA
Phone
Only like IEMs, but want something with at least 7 hour battery life and will last a while

>>61293594
TFZ
Whatever series is in your budget.

>>61291876
Beyer DT1350 when I'm commuting or generally in situations where I cannot leak sound. The T90 for when I'm home. Both powered by the first gen Fiio X3, because I don't trust wheels on audio players.

>>61293586
i use jaybird x2's, and they're probably even cheaper now that the x3's are out. theyre slightly bulkier than i'd like since they charge in the bud instead of the inline controls, but they stay in when i'm running and the sound's serviceable

>>61293424
How do you see X2 vs M1060?

>>61292141
Thread was archived before I could say it, but much appreciate the help anon (if you're in this thread too).

>>61293700
X2 sounds more fun, M1060 is more comfortable. X2 has an easily replaceable cable, M1060 has fast planar response. Both are easily powered, although the X2's are more easily powered. They are both different, and neither is blatantly better than the other.

>>61293740
I'm specificaly interested on the sound. What's so good about planar, as you seem to already have good bass in the X2?

https://nashville.craigslist.org/msg/6212000227.html

tell me why not /g/

>>61293845
What's a good in earphone with a microphone.
Headphones really are hell in the summer.

>>61293586
wired earphones with cords that go from the back of the ear

earpods prob better for situational awareness unless you're mostly running through a park trail or only wearing from one ear.

>>61293873

personally i like the shure se215 and the rha ma750i

>>61293740
i've heard that the M1060 sounds similar to the HD650, is that true?

>>61293845
It's all scuffed up, and the pads are worn out. Depends whether that bothers you or not, because the owner clearly didn't take good care of it. I wouldn't be surprised if it was originally a display model.

>>61293777
I could try to explain but more experienced people than myself have talked about the pros of planar.
>>61293967
Couldn't tell you, I've never auditioned the HD650.

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>This product can expose you to chemicals including one or more listed chemicals which are known to the State of California to cause cancer or birth defects or other reproductive harm. For more information, go to www.P65Warnings.ca.gov

So much for the SHP9500.

looking for good bluetooth speakers. found these ones

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Anker-Portable-Wireless-Bluetooth-Microphone/dp/B00GZC35YK
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Betron-Wireless-Portable-Bluetooth-Speaker/dp/B00N11SHI2/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1498837645&sr=8-3
https://www.amazon.co.uk/JBL-Portable-Rechargeable-Bluetooth-Compatible/dp/B00TFGVULI
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Classic-Bluetooth-Wireless-Portable-Speaker/dp/B0091REETG?th=1

anyone know which is the best out of these, or have any experience with any of them? leaning towards the first one the most.

>>61294160
If you live in California, you know that sticker is literally everywhere. Corporations would rather put an unnecessary warning on their products than get assraped by lawsuits and fines.

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>>61294238
yea it's pretty much a joke when they put it on plywood

>>61294238
true, even a fan that i have at home has that sticker

>>61294160
Californian here. Prop 65 is bullshit. It doesn't require the actual chemical in question to be listed, nor the amount of it in the product. Many chemicals on the Prop 65 list have never been proven to cause significant harm in the levels in which they are present in product which must carry the warning label. Most Californians I know treat those labels as a joke because literally almost everything in California has those labels.

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>>61294209
>good bluetooth speakers

>>61294209
The JBL is pretty good for its price.

>>61294304
What do you recommend as a portable source of sound then?
>>61294360
Yeah it's pretty decent. A friend has one but it recently stopped working after about a year or two, so I'm a little wary, but it's compact and sounds good so I might give it a go too.

>>61294440
>What do you recommend as a portable source of sound then?

IEMs or something portable like Koss Porta Pros

>>61294473
I'm looking for speakers.

>>61294473
Clearly he wants to share his music with other people.

Not sure if this is good to ask but any good ear phones? I prefer ear phones over head phones but my recent ones died and I'm looking for a good quality in both build and sound. Preferably under 100$?

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Thoughts?

I think they are the best headphones I ever listened to, and comfy as hell too. Only problem is their weight and size - and with a 3m cable it's stuck at home.

>>61294587
They hurt my ears because the cups are too shallow

>>61294550
A boombox then? :^)

>>61294587
>and with a 3m cable it's stuck at home.
some of the K55X series have detachable cables so I don't get why other models don't. They're all similarly priced.

I also want closed headphones but those and the Fostex massdrop all have attached cables. How much more expensive would it even cost to add a tiny connector instead of soldering the cable directly

>>61294697
Even if they had a detachable cable, I don't have the balls to wear them in public (3-4inch diameter)

>>61294756
eh who cares if you're in a coach bus or in a private study desk in the library. That's what I need it for.

those are semi-private public spaces so you have a point though

Is there something like the Sony MDR-V6/7506, but with a detachable cord? I want headphones as neutral as possible.

>$100
>US
>laptop, phone, tablet
>over the ear
>Open or closed
>Neutral
>Sony MDR-7506

>>61295128
Status CB-1

>>61294587
MY friend bought them and they are honestly one of the worst full size headphones I have ever tried.

They overall sound was shit and the bass was disgustingly lacking considering that they're closed headphones. Al of the obvious good headphones destroy them. 702s,k712's,650,600, x2, random fostex etc.

Invest in one of those and buy a cheap amp.

>>61294550
>portable bluetooth
What he wants to share with people is nobass. Friends don't share nobass with friends.

>>61295164
>the bass was disgustingly lacking
You got a bad seal. They're known to have sealong problems.

>>61295164
K550 have well documented sealing issues.
>the bass was disgustingly lacking
You just didn't get a good seal.

what's a good amp/dac to go with the X2?

>>61292214
not even close, if you have ever listened to some seriously high end studio DAC's your little sub 100$ DAC will sound horrible in comparison.

>>61295188
>>61295196

I'm willing to accept that, but they were so lacking in general, it was ridiculous. Besides the bass issue, they just sounded horrible for the price. My only other akg experiences (702+k712) were both brilliant.

The k550 is one of the rare 'expensive' headphones that I would describe as nasty. They're fucking horrible.

>>61295454
http://ethanwiner.com/believe.html
Slight movements of headphones on the head change frequency response. Have fun wasting money on placebo.

>>61295454
it's just a DAC, all it should do is convert the signal without interferance. If you like your DAC "coloring" your music, then great.

>>61295454
Not the guy you're talking to but can you give an example of a high end dac? my dac is the fulla 2 and that's the best I have heard. e10k,fulla2, odac, etc. They all se the same to me. I do notice sight differences in amps though.

>>61295491
Im aware of that, what im talking about is Impulse response and THD, as well as the ability to drive even low impedance loads and the ability to drive balanced loads.

>>61295248
Fulla 2 is more than good enough with the x2. It's a great amp+dac and the x2 is fairly easy to drive compared to other full size headphones.

>>61294612
>>61295171
this isn't very helpful

>>61295515
This is one of the best i have ever listened to.
http://www.weiss.ch/products/dac1

>>61295522
>as well as the ability to drive even low impedance loads and the ability to drive balanced loads.
These are characteristics of amps, not DACs. You don't seem to know what the fuck you're talking about.

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Just got a pair of these after my old earbuds died. About 9 bucks.
How did I do?

>>61295563
You won't find a more comfortable set of non-custom IEMs at any price. You did good. Refer to https://www.head-fi.org/f/threads/6-panasonic-rp-hje120-surprisingly-usable.594945/page-3#post-13576623 if you wish to improve their sound with EQ (HJE-125 is just an HJE-120 with a mic).

>>61295553
Actually i do know what im talking about. DAC's need to drive a load, usually the input of an amplifier (be they for headphones, speakers or other things). The input impedance of these amps can range from less then 600 ohm for some old tube gear, to several megohms. The cheap DAC's tend to not have enough power in their output stages to drive the low impedance loads, and thus result in distortion and frequency response problems.

>>61295529
is there something particular I need to watch out for? is an external sound card a total waste? I'm a total noob at this audiophelia stuff

>>61295515
Ah, i completely forgot about the oscillator within the DAC. If the oscillator is shit, the DAC will sound like shit. Sadly good oscillator (such as Temperature Compensated Crystal Oscillator or Atomic Clocks)

>>61295677
are EXPENSIVE1

is this a meme?
https://www.amazon.com/Focusrite-Scarlett-Audio-Interface-Tools/dp/B01E6T56CM/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1499641231&sr=8-7&keywords=external+sound+card&th=1
what am I even looking at?

>>61295588
Describe the mechanics behind an expensive DAC sounding audibly better than >>61292345 when driving a Magni 2 or O2.

>>61295708
that's a pc audio interface.
you plug an xlr mic into it and record shit.

why r u so dumb

>>61295708
That is an audio interface. These things are used by people who do recordings or want better microphone quality in voice chats. The front port is a XLR / TRS combo port capable of accepting either a passive or active microphone, as well as an instroment (such as an electric guitar or violin). These things usually also contain a direct monitoring system and headphone amplifier. They typically also have a relatively good DAC in comparison to the onboard one in a computer. This is used to play the recording your working on, either for recording more bits onto it, or checking / mixing / mastering it.

I hope that answers your question

>>61295677
A TCXO is already overkill for audio, and they're not expensive. Check prices at digikey.

>>61295774
thanks. Guess this wouldn't be suitable for someone looking for an amp and DAC who has no plans on recording anything.

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>>61292399
Answer me fuckers

>>61295814
Just get a Fulla2, call it a day.

>>61295721
Well, i have posted them above, but here is a list for you anyway:

- typically lower THD
- typically better oscillators
- typically better output amplifiers
- typically better DSP algorithms
- typically better digital input topology

lower THD:
Usually the result of using or designing better output amps, as well as a better DAC chip or implementation (such as a custom DAC such as with an FPGA)

Better oscillator:
The frequency stability is better, resulting in less jitter, and thus better sound. (explaining it better would be a bit more complex, but if you want i can try)

Better output amps:
Results in lower THD (typically), as well as an increased load range they can drive. (such as low impedance transformer coupled inputs) Though only the lower THD would be in effect with the Magni and O2.

Better DSP Algorithms:
The up sampling and data buffering as well as input jitter reduction is better. Resulting in less THD and jitter on the output

Better audio input topology:
Referring to the way the DAC gets the digital audio signal, this includes the audio protocol used on the host machine. (such as Direct sound vs ASIO). It has to do with jitter and data integrity.

Though with such low end amps these benefits will only make a minor difference, i can easily pick out a Shiit DAC from say, the humble benchmark DAC1 using a Shiit Modi (all be it using a top of the line headphone such as the Beyerdynamic T1, haven't tried it using something lower end).

>>61295837
what's wrong with fx audio?

>>61295804
I have done blind comparisons between a cheap crystal oscillator, a TCXO and an atomic clock for audio applications. There was a noticeable difference, though it was not as great as i would have expected.

Also prices vary based on frequency and frequency stability

Why's it necessary to "burn in" a pair of new headphones to get the optimal experience? Is this just another pile of audiophile bogus that's not grounded in reality?

>>61295932
Nothing, really. I simply find Fulla2 to be a much more practical starter/potentiallyendgame amp+dac, due to its performance, features, size and usb power.

>>61295929
>THD
Probably not audible.
>jitter
Definitely not audible.
>top of the line headphone such as the Beyerdynamic T1
Ahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Oh wow.

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>>61295929
>a top of the line headphone such as the Beyerdynamic T1

>>61295998
>>jitter
>Definitely not audible.
https://nwavguy.blogspot.ie/2011/02/jitter-does-it-matter.html

>>61295994
so a matter of preference, no doubt

>>61296039
>http://alkasar.online.fr/mesures/HifiMeDIY%20SABRE%2024-96%20DAC%20v1.htm
>nwavguy could hear it in tests intentionally designed to make it audible so that means it'll be audible in real world, practical scenarios
No.

>>61295618
The fulla 2 is practically an external dac+amp. You don't need to bother with sound cards ever. It will be god mode for you, and pretty much end game. The only downside to the fulla is that it slightly distorts at the high end of the pot. I use the fulla as my dac and magni as my amp for this reason. This may sound confusing to you but you have nothin to worry about. The fulla 2 will be a beast with the x2.

If you like the x2, the fulla 2 is perfect for it.Buy it now and enjoy for many, many years.

>>61296090
>No.
Actually, Yes. It can be heard. As such, it can be an issue.

>>61296039
http://ethanwiner.com/audibility.html
>With modern digital devices jitter is typically 110 to 120 dB below the music
Inaudible.

>>61296193
https://www.cnet.com/uk/news/the-audiophiliac-asks-the-experts-do-digital-audio-connections-sound-different/
Them trustworthy links.

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>>61295929
>top of the line headphone such as the Beyerdynamic T1

>>61296229
>Steve Guttenberg
Ahahaha. Also, that article says nothing about the audibility of jitter, and cites mostly people who want to sell you expensive DACs.

>>61296285
At least they're not trying to sell you cables.
I'm all for hardware that explores fidelity beyond the theorically audible.
In an ideal world, this hardware would be cheap and standard.

>>61296313
I can at least agree that most of the high end audio cables are bullshit. Especially for digital signals. Just use decently built ones, and forget about them.

>>61296121
checking out the reviews now, looking good so far
guessing paying more than $100 is pointless since the fulla 2 will pretty much do everything I need

>>61295977
yeah, it's bullshit. but the sound will change for better or worse as you break into the earpads. The headphone driver itself? Nothing.

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>listening to self-remastered album through speakers at a perfect 60 degree angle individual-channel-equalized to Brüel & Kjær's optimum hifi curve

what are some good DACs? I was thinking about getting the nfb-11, but it is chinkfi, so i am a bit hesitant. Should i do it or not?

>>61296367
The fulla will do every single fucking thing you will ever need it to. Unless you buy different harder to drive headphones. Even then you would be fine with the fulla 2 99.00% of the time

>>61296613
It's time to kill yourself.

>>61293937
ty anon, i'm looking into the shure se215, but hte other one is just too pricey

>>61295977
It's a meme, though I usually say there's a sort of mental burn in. Where the headphones still play the same, but over time you get used to their sound, which then makes them sound better.

>>61296750
They're really bass-heavy, but they should be easy to EQ since they're bass-heavy rather than bass-light.

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>>61291876
Don't use the M40X's much anymore tho

>tfw my ATH-meme50x finally went and died

what do i do now lads

>>61292180
M40x

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>>61296790
>Churches

>>61296790
Kumiko is the fluffiest.

>>61296771
oh, i didn't notice, thanks for the heads up,
i wonder if there's a ballanced one around that price range thoguh

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>>61296790
Idol trash here.

Sound wise, how well do your m40x do against your HD598?

I've tried using my old HD598 for a while this weekend and, christ, do they suck when compared to the HD600 I'm now used to. Everything seems like such a mush. They do show a hint of really good sound here and there though, which is how I got hooked into the whole headphone thing.

>>61296676
would a modi magni stack be overkill?
looks like a sweet combo, doubt the fulla 2 can outperform the stack for less than half the price

>>61296874
My setup is the fulla 2 (my dac, and ps4 headphone setup) After that my main amp for everything else is the magni 2, it sounds the same as the fulla 2 but it doesn't distort at high volumes like the fulla 2. It's a fine line, but it's real.

>>61296874
Get the Fulla 2 first. If you need the power of a Magni later, you can use the Fulla 2 as the DAC in place of the Modi. Modi is a waste of money when Fulla 2 can function as a standalone DAC.

>>61296837
Honestly to me, the two sound really damn similar. The HD598's just seem to have a fuller sound, while being ever so slightly lighter on bass in comparison to the others.

I've been wanting to try some HD600's or HD650's to see how much better they are to the HD598's I have now...

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>>61296825
yup

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>>61296874
Idol Trash here,
The Magni2 is very good. Uber version if you need the preamp outs. (Say, for some lsr305 monitors or the like)
The Modi2 is not better than the fulla2 as a DAC. They even use the same DAC chip. Only the Uber or Multibit versions are worth it, for the extra inputs (that's why I got mine) or for the multibit meme, if you feel like trying that out.

UE 4 Pro or 100× ve monks?

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>>61296997
>those artifacts
You should really do better if she's your waifu.

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>>61297156
s-sorry

>>61296874
There are a ton of options for amps man. Really all you need to do is figure out what you need to drive your headphones. For example my DT990 needs 25mw at 250ohm to hit 110db. 110db is well above listening level but it leaves you extra room to EQ and for quiet tracks. Anyway once you know what your headphone needs you just ohms law from the specs of an amp and see if it can drive the headphones.
I think the FiiO Q1 is suprsingly powerful and portable so you can use it with your phone. The FX Audio Dac X6 is great power wise too. Micca Origin+.
The last thing to consider is inputs and outputs. Something with a bunch of outputs is really nice because you don't have to unplug this headphone and plug in that one, or switch shit around to use speakers. You just hit a button on the dac. Same for inputs. Maybe you have it wired up to your desktop, a game console, whatever, being able to switch between them is cool.
The o2 amp is the absolute most you should spend on an amp ever. Then the magni 2. below that you're in fulla2/dac x6/origen+/etc territory.

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>>61296874
>fulla 2
How do you prevent the popping sound from the headphones when disconnecting the usb cable from the usb port on the computer?

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>>61291756
Who here foam tip? I shove them in as far as I can upside down, wrap the wire around my ear, then adjust the strap to my neck. It looks retarded but at least I get no wire bumping sounds.

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>>61297156
>>61297163
Fixed the banding, too.

>>61296666
it'd be one thing if you could get it easily like the Topping stack that was just on massdrop, but audio-gd looks so damn shady and troublesome even if they have already been proven to be legit.

what I don't understand is how a bunch of chinks are able to shill audio-gd on headfi with how bad their engrish is. Maybe I'm just mistaken but there's no reason for something so niche and badly represented as audio-gd to even be recognized if not for shilling, but how they managed to do it I'm still confused

>>61296999
>>61297164
cheaper options do seem more practical, especially since the fulla 2 uses the modi chip, but for the long run I think the stack is the best option. It should last for years if not forever

>>61297193
By removing headphones first, perhaps ;)
I use it on my work laptop, which I never turn off anyway. I didn't even know this happened; I'll check tomorrow, if I remember about it, I guess.

>>61297304
In any event, if they have no amp/dac at all, I'd definitely recommend getting the Fulla2 first, rather than going for the stack directly.
It's simply way more useful going by form factor alone, and way better value/money than the stack.

>>61296803
Custom Studio, the real step up from M50X's

>>61297333
>By removing headphones first, perhaps ;)
I mean aside from doing that. I use it just as a dac atm so headphones never come off, but the laptop has to move sometimes which makes it an inconvenience to disconnect.

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>>61296790
>>61291876
Roast me.

>>61297590
HD598 and LSR305 (or 308? idk). Some IEMs (are these ER4SR?). Some amp, possibly dac thing (highly likely more than good enough for HD598). It's not a bad setup.
I'd just add some HD600 for good measure :^)
They're that much better than HD598.

>>61297590
You need a colored headphone to mix things up. I love treble because all my music is trance so my colored headphone is an EQ'd DT990.
You have neutral stuff. I'm very envious of your IEMs I wish I had a weekend to spend with the high end Etys just to know what neutral really sounds like.

>>61297624
I make music so audio is important to me. All audio I have is HD598, LSR305, Etymotic HF5, and a Mbox Mini. The worst thing in my set up is the DAC, it makes crack noises when I move the main nob and has a lot of issues on and off. I want a pair of HD600 so bad.

Is there software that can turn a frequency response graph image into a file a program like Room EQ Wizard can read?

>>61297653
I personally don't like EQ'd sounds unless I'm using low end hardware to get the most out of them or car speakers. I feel that it interferes with the musicians intended vision of what their song sounds like.

>>61297663
>I want a pair of HD600 so bad.
So order some. They're f-ing cheap lately.

>>61297695
The intended vision of the people in charge of mastering music is for it to sound good on anything. That includes accurate/balanced-sounding equipment. You're not destroying the artistic vision of the audio engineers by EQing your equipment to be more accurate or balanced sounding.

is the nfb-11 good in comparison to the jotunheim and other shit?

>>61297726
>nfb-11
There's a rabid fan here. It hasn't been verified by measurements unfortunately.
>jotunheim
Balanced meme & lots of power.

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>>61297666
Found it: WebPlotDigitizer
Holy shit, /hpg/ lookit what I just did using WebPlotDigitizer, LibreOffice Calc and Room EQ Wizard.

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>>61298098
Since Headroom uses diffuse field curve compensation, we can turn this theoretical V6 into an ER-4B (with poor high frequency extension) quite easily. High frequencies will need some post-EQ adjustment with Sinegen, but this should get you close.

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>>61298162
Want an ER-4S? Set HF fall start to 2 kHz and HF fall slope to 1.8.

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>>61298182
Want the Harman target? Add a 100 Hz, 6 dB, 12 dB slope low shelf to the ER-4S result.
I just made EQing easy as shit.

>>61297193
Known issue. Schiit won't fix, just like if you happen to get a scratchy volume pot.

>>61298323
They're pretty obsessive about the audio path. They won't compromise it by adding indirection to the volume control, particularly when it would also make the device more complex and expensive to make. Fulla2 is their lowest end amp/dac after all.
Higher modules have protection relays, 128-stepped attenuators and such. The fulla2 doesn't need the former, and can't afford the latter.

>>61298390
Bad design is bad design no matter how you justify it.

>>61298402
It's a huge stretch to claim fulla2 is bad design. It has excellent performance and features, for something usb powered and cheap.
The compromises it makes are definitely the right ones.

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>>61297590
Good stuff.

>>61298423
Loud annoying popping while connecting/disconnecting and loud annoying static while turning the knob are the right compromises. Gotcha.

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>>61298483
Understandable. I may upgrade in the future anyway.

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>>61298214
Wanna set your house curve to the diffuse field curve to auto-EQ raw measurements? We can do that too.

>>61298541
This could obviously also be used to quickly and easily simulate the sound of one headphone through another, provided you have a graph of each headphone from the same source.

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>>61292399
I better start seeing some replies, /hpg/.
Would hate for a girl to lose a finger.

>>61298617
Learn to research.

>>61293586
>Also, i'm concerned health wise, since extended exposure to bluetooth causes cancer.
Are you serious?

>>61294271
actually that one might be legit, they treat some woods with all kinds of crazy shit. Arsenic was a popular one at one point, apparently, although I'm not sure if they still use it.

>>61292399

Etymotic HF5

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Yo!
>Budget: <100$. I'd like to get something nicer than my old cheap Sennheisers, though.
>Location: USA
>Source: my computer, for the most part
>Type of headphone: Full-sized, closed, over the ear ones.
>Comfort level: High.
>Past headphones: Sennheiser 206s. https://en-us.sennheiser.com/over-ear-headphones-hd-206
I've had two pairs of these now and loved 'em. Each one lasted me a couple of years each and they were really comfortable, but my second pair kicked the bucket tonight, and I'd like to upgrade. Ideally, I'd like a pair with a small, detachable mic, but that's not a super high priority or anything. Thanks.

>>61292399
>>61298999
MK5 > HF5

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>>61299073
>I'd like to get something nicer than my old cheap Sennheisers, though.
Then increase your budget ffs :P
I suggest Sennheiser HD380 Pro. Enhanced bass somewhat otherwise neutral, closed, high isolation, comfortable AF, good-sounding, replaceable cable, durable.

>>61298182
I just tried this right now and the results were very similar to my previous home measurement + Singen treble adjustment results. This works.

>>61298098
>>61298162
>>61298182
>>61298214
>>61298541
>>61298558
I will be posting a complete walkthrough on how to do all of this on Head-Fi when I have the time, and I'll post it here when it's complete.

What is the best "direct" upgrade coming from M50Xs?

>>61299153
HD600.

>>61299127
My old Sennheisers were only 40$ though, that's a 60$ range. Sorry, I'm not really an audiophile, so I don't want to spend too much on headphones if I won't notice the difference.
I like the warranty on these, though, and the replaceable cable: that's what broke on the pair I just lost. I'll check out the refurbished ones I think. Thanks for the speedy rec!

>>61299298
>only $40
But you bought how many of them?
Maybe spend a little more for once, for something better and durable, rather than disposable.
You needn't be an audiophile and spend thousands to get some good sound. The HD380 Pro is affordable, and even the HD600 (doesn't really get better past that) isn't exactly expensive.

>>61299153
DT770/Custom Studio or TH-X00

>>61299153
MSR7

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>>61298448
Adorable hanayo & HD600.
Idol trash going to sleep. Good night /hpg/ :)

I own a pair of HD 598 Cs (closed back version of the 598s, got em for like 100 bucks).

I think my motherboard's integrated sound chip is holding back the audio quality though.

How can I improve on that for cheap? They have low impedance since they're designed for mobile use, so I don't think I need an amp. But I'm completely confused as to if I need a sound card or a DAC or what. I was looking at the creative sb1550 or the asus DGX, but have no clue what I'm doing. Any help would be appreciated.

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>>61299801
>598C
You've already fucked up.

>>61299801
>creative
Avoid.
>what to do
Get a cheap usb dac+amp solution, such as the Fulla2. That ensures you're good both dac and amp.

>>61299826
Whoah, that's a bad FR. Yet another fool falls for the "closed back version of" nonsense.
The only ressemblance between HD598 and the Cs is the name.

what do you guys think of an x6 dac + 250 ohm 770's as a budget setup

>>61299826
N-n-n-niggerbass.

>>61299844
>only resemblance is the name

Explain

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Any recommendations on just normal quality bluetooth ear pieces that have a long battery life? I was just browsing CSG and got the idea to buy a pair for when I'm out and about, to be able to keep one in my ear and listen to audiobooks.

Problem is all the ones I'm seeing have about 2 hour battery life during active usage. I'm trying to find something around the 10 hour range at least that has a very small profile where it's not even really noticeable.

Pic related is what made me think to ask here for better recommendations.

>>61299866
HD598 are quite balanced sounding. HD598Cs has niggerbass.

>>61299866
The frequency response (that is, the sound) is radically different.
It's seriously arbitrary that they called them 598Cs. They were piggybacking on the HD598 popularity, that is all.

>>61299836
Fulla 2 is 100 USD. That's more than I paid for the headphones (120 cad), plus shipping to Canada is going to be aids

>>61299894
Nevermind the fulla, just get better headphones. Fill the form.

100$
Canada
Nexus 6p and desktop
Over ear
Neutral
598C

SHP9500S are coming in tomorrow. Hope they'll hold me over until Black Friday or just whenever the HD600 might go on sale.

>>61299952
>whenever the HD600 might go on sale.
Check camelcamelcamel for history. Do not expect sales on autumn.

>>61299921
Status CB-1

>>61299979
In that case, probably whenever the 5% bonus kicks in for my Discover card.

~300 (looking for headphones and an amp if possible, if no amp in this range then fuck it)

USA

PC, Phone, Laptop, or an amp

Full-sized

Comfy preferred

Neutral or Vshaped

I've only used shitty gaming headphones in the past.

Thanks

>>61300346
I don't know if it's still on sale, but Best Buy had the HD558 for $70. If not, then the SHP9500.

Amp-wise, a Fulla 2, or the Magni2/Modi2 stack if you want a little more future-proofing. Both options + headphones still puts you within your budget.

>>61299855
pls reply

>Budget
~$200, can move around
>Location
Australia
>Source
Computer/Phone for gaming and music
>Type of headphone
Full sized
>Open or closed
Closed strongly prefered
>Comfort level
Very high
>Sound signature
don't know, but I listen to a lot of house music so maybe bassy?
>Past headphones
ATH M50's
They sat really heavy on the tips of my ears. It was a long time ago so don't remember how much I liked the sound quality.
NVX XPT 100
The band had some weak plastic holding the cans on and broke. I thought the sound was pretty good though. I often have sound from multiple sources (music+game+voice chat) and they each were relatively distinct. Also had pretty good noise suppression.

>>61299855
Should work fine and is more than enough power

>>61293632
shit. forgot to mention wireless/Bluetooth

60 isn't my budget but just not trying to break the bank. Need something for the gym and bike rides, wouldn't mind those shitty looking one ear wireless type if they sounded good for being mono and had a good battery

Is it worth getting anything besides Bose QC 15/25/35 for ANC headphones?
Has anyone tried any others that they recommend?

So far I got the feeling there's barely anything that much better out there in this price range but haven't tried any in a store yet

>>61301203
MDR1000X is known to shit the bed at the hinges and Bose QC series is botnet. Neither are bad choices for purely ANC.

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What do you guys think about Z Review?

>>61301203
People says that Sennheiser pxc 550 are better for sound and features but i think i will go with the sony mdr1000x because right now are 100$ less than the pxc and the qc35.

>Budget
Around 50€ less is good
>Location
Lithuania, eastern EU. Shipping from overseas is ok
>Source
Phone
>Type of headphone
IEMS
>Comfort level
As comfortable as possible
>Sound signature
Neutral
>Past headphones
Mainly 5€ shit that would break after 3 months

>>61301419
Holy shit it's Lithu in the flesh

>>61301234
>>61301267
The mdr1000x and the qc35 are the ~same price over here so I'll try to find a store to try them out in. The sennheisers would be pushing it on how much I wanna spend on this...

So pretty much as I thought the status is, thanks for the advice

Not headphones but I'll ask here anyway.

I need speakers for my laptop (with shitty onboard audio) and I'm on a really low budget (~$150). An anon suggested I go for the Behringer Studio 50USB monitors since they'd be foolproof for someone new to audio equipment like me (inbuilt DAC). I'm pretty much set on it but I'd like to hear more opinions before I pull the trigger.

>>61301019
vmoda m100 and XL pads

>>61301019
DT770/Custom Studio

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My cousin asked me to fix his headphones, i don't have a clue what to do to stick the material in again

Would a modi2/magni2 stack and dt770 80s work together by themselves, or does it need some sort of special cord/adapter? would they even be good together?

>>61302113
usb cord for the modi to connect to the computer, and rca cables to connect the modi and magni

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Should I buy an shure se215? There is something better in the price range.?

>>61302113
USB type B to the computer (such as the schiit PYST usb cable)
RCA 2x (stereo) cable from modi to magni (such as the PYST small rca cables, or the "schiit interposer")
RCA cables and USB type B are readily available and cheap; they're standard cables.

>>61302113
>dt770 80s
You might need a small jack to big jack adapter. I never remember the name of these. I'd assume you got such adapter with the DT770, but idk about beyerdynamic. 3 different Sennheiser headphones I own all came with it.

>>61302208
>SE215
Nigga bass
>something better in the price range
MK5
GR07 Bass Edition

>>61302208
>something better in the price range
no

>>61301467
?

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I got me the Kingston HyperX Cloud (core) headset with a detachable mic because they were going for the exceptionally low price of 40 eurobux at a local supermarket.
I was thinking I was getting them just for the mic because I PC gaym online sometimes. However, now after doing some comparing, these are subjectively better sounding and way more comfortable than my Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro 80ohm. I think I'm starting to realize how useless chasing "fidelity" and flatness is for normal listeners like me.

I'm just leaving this here for potential buyers, please try to compare many different models and hear which ones fit your ears and brains the best, not necessarily just blindly buying "german quality"

>>61302405
>how useless chasing "fidelity" and flatness is for normal listeners like me.
...
>dt770
>flat
I don't even. DT770 are v-shaped AF.
Get some actual flat headphones for once? I suggest HD600.

>>61302443
I guess I'm just not a very educated buyer then, I somehow thought that DT770 were the "highest fidelity" ones in their price group... However, I'm not getting any new headphones in a while, but maybe I'll look into those when I do in the future.

>Budget
$260
>Location
Australia
>Source
Computer, looking to buy a nice headphone amp soonish though
>Type of headphone
>Open or closed
Open
>Comfort level
Real fucken comfy
>Sound signature
Neutral or a lil bit bassy
>Past headphones
m50x with hm5 pads

would be a big plus if they had a detachable cable
should i just buy another pair of m50x's? kek

thanks

>>61302862
>I somehow thought that DT770 were the "highest fidelity" ones in their price group...
Yeah, that was a major mistake. They're V-Shaped headphones which deliberately give more power to bass and treble in detriment of midrange. For fidelity, you'd be looking at more neutral headphones, such as Sennheiser HD600, 579, 598, 558.

>>61302942
Sennheisers are well known to have the highest fidelity, especially when it comes to reproducing snapping and cracking noises.

So I stumbled upon a pair of Sennheiser Urbanite XL wireless earphones in my local pc store, they are heavily discounted.
Are they worth purchasing ??

>>61302942
http://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews/sennheiser/hd-600

http://www.rtings.com/headphones/reviews/beyerdynamic/dt-990-pro

>DT 990 Pro is rated better in all usage categories than the HD 600

>>61303354
>heavily discounted
What's the discounted price? How does it compare to historical prices in amazon? (see camelcamelcamel.com).
Other than that, never heard of them, so no clue if they're any good. Wireless suggests not.

>>61303381
>rtings
>>61275717

>>61303381
Rtings is a joke.
>>61275796

>>61303413
>>61303442
Not an argument.

>>61303398
>>61303413
>>61303442
Sennheiser Internet Defence Force is back in action

>>61303382
Lowest price on amazon was 170 pounds, they are 125 in the shop.

You can also connect them via cable, but they only are 14 ohms

>>61303451
>Not an argument.
Rtings has a nonsensical target response, used on their ratings.
They can't be taken seriously when they get creative with target curves, considering they shown they don't even understand harman's target in the first place.

>>61303574
Most sites have curves not based on harman or diffuse, especially goldenears which HD600 losers like to bring up so often. Rtings is just as valid as goldenears. QED

>>61304164
It takes a special kind of fucked up target curve for DT990 to score well. DT990 is literally v-shaped.

>>61304186
Not an argument.

>>61304186
It _is_ an V-shaped target. HD800S scores the highest somehow.

>>61304204
Wow, that's fucked up.

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>>61304204
>>61304228
>its bad because the headphones I like don't score well

>>61304186
>>61304204
>>61304228
>rtings

>>61301019
>Computer/Phone for gaming and music
>$200
>bassy
HD380 Pro.

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>the ER-4S is literally the perfect headphone

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>>61294160
They put that warning on coffee also.
It's out of hand.

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>>61303381
>rtings

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>>61302405
>DT770
>flat

>>61304281
ER4SR are perfect. ER4S are close to perfect but somewhat fragile.

>>61304544
How can they give most weight to something else than the midrange, which the human ear is most sensitive to?
That's fucked up.

>>61304685
Melanin-enriched human beings.

>$300 or less, preferably less, would go an extra $50 for something worth it
>USA
>Asus Xonar Essence STX
>Full sized, over the ear only
>Closed
>Max comfy or bust, I wear these things nearly all day
>Warm to neutral

>>61304685
I think it's even more absurd that they give such heavy weight to something as subjective and difficult to define/measure as soundstage, particularly when there seems to be a wide variety of opinions over what makes a good soundstage. Some people like super wide exaggerated AKG style soundstage and some people hate it, etc.

>>61303381
>rtings

>>61298448
best hpg i´ve ever seen !!

congrats

So hows campfire andromeda's fit compared to shure's se line? Planning on getting one but no local shop carries campfire and i dont want to risk losing couple hundred bucks on restocking fee

>>61304727
>>61304685
>they should put more weight into stuff the headphone I like is good at!
Kek

>>61305038
>they should put more weight into factors the human ear is less likely to notice
top kek

>>61305123
>inb4, the beyer shill suggests giving most weight to the reproduction of <20Hz and >20KHz frequencies

>>61305123
>what I like is obviously what the human ear is biologically programmed to like
Oh the delusion...

>>61305141
Who are you quoting?

>>61305148
>niggerbass
>treblerape
>definitely not the midrange

>>61305182
Not an argument.

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>I choose to ignore any review website that doesn't show the HD 600 in an extremely positive, biased manner

>>61305191
>rtings
>>61304544

We almost had an entirely civil, shitposting-free /hpg/ and then the Snapheiser troll showed up. What a surprise.
>>61305191
>I choose to shitpost and ignore valid, well thought-out, evidence-supported points against rtings

>>61305247
It's always that goddamn snapheiser.
What's why we can't have nice things (like HD600) :'(

>>61305247
Maybe you're the one being intolerant about other people's preferences in headphones

>>61302887
M50X are V shaped, not neutral. If you want neutral in that price range go for K702

>>61305247
>valid well thought out evidence supported points
HAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHA HAHAHAHA

>>61305247
>i wish people wouldn't come and disagree with me, they're not being civil. WAAAAH! I can't stand having my dogmatic beliefs questions. WAAAH where's my snapheiser safe space

I listen to dadrock, glam metal and bluegrass. Are the hd600 for me? Also why what is this pro vs anti hd600 flamewar, seems retarded.

>>61305604
The HD600 is endgame. It's for everyone, best headphone ever made.

>>61305604
There's been an autistic anti-Sennheiser troll shitposting in almost every /hpg/ thread for many years now. It's best to just ignore him.

Thoughts on Sensors Active buds? They are gonna be on prime days sale and wondering if they worth it for the $38 right now or possible lower price later

Not strictly headphones but related
I'm about to batch-convert everything FLAC in my library to Ogg Vorbis to save space.
Would it be safe to say that everything that supports the former supports the latter?

>>61305604
Different people like different sounds. Some people like to shitpost. The fact is that both the HD600/650 and Beyer's 880/990 are good headphones, just for different people.
Doesn't matter what genres you like, what matters is what sound you like. Always listen before you buy when making a $100+ investment.

>>61305604
>metal
Neutral is best for metal, as coloring seems to fuck the noise by dragging its pitch off.
HD600 is the go-to for neutral, and metal.
This review might help: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AZTKCMRzHM

>>61305604
>>61305688
>shit tier music taste
>shit tier headphone taste

Make sense.

>>61304228
>sennheiser flagship that i can't afford is higher rated than my hd600s
W E W
E
W

>>61305702
>liking music I don't like

>>61304890
try a pair of KZ ZS5. Same fit, I personally don't like how they stick out a bit, at least in comparison to the super low profile musician style iem.

>>61302942
>HD579
Stop recommending this V-shaped trash. The rest of your recs are fine. HD559/579/599 are V-shaped downgrades from HD558/598.

I'd like niggerbass, no mids and ear-raping treble. What headphone should I buy?

>>61304724
Replying to myself just in case more people are awake now.

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can anyone recognize what earphones is using this young lad? (no homo) (im actually younger than him)

>>61305867
Philips shp9500

>>61305867
nice bait

>>61305867
Something neutral, so that you try something different for once, and perhaps become able to form an opinion.

>>61301247
not a good reviewer but gives a general idea of what you are about to buy

>>61306327 new thread