/pcbg/ PC Building General

What's the ETA on Threadripper?

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>tfw a few people you know are building computers
>tfw trying to save up for a holiday
>tfw the urge rises

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Will this >>61227096 actually make GPU prices go down?
Is this anon right about the secondhand ones actually going under $150?

>>61227386
When Ryzen makes enough money to scope Raja out of the hole RTG dug itself.

>>61227386
august

>>61227397
Yes. We have seen that happen post Bitcoin crisis.

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>>61227398
(you)

>>61227402
Thanks, any guesses about pricing? I'm assuming it'll be around $900 or so.

>>61227411
3 more weeks anon. Better buy some lube.

>>61227432
the EPYC 16 core is $750 so prob something close to that

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>>61227437

>>61227454
You need to do better than that once the benchmarks start coming up. Make up some excuses. Hype Navi again. Just don't make it poor volta k sweetie?

Do I use an SSD for My Os('s) and use a regular spinny hard drive for my files??

>>61227526
SSD for programs
HDD for storage

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>>61227542
Thanks.

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Lads any advice, just installed windows 10, now on start up it just crashes on the blue windows logo every time, tried changing boot order to boot from usb to reinstall windows and it just crashes on the same page, what can I do?

>>61227998
What type of crash? BSOD? Black screen and boot loop? Installed Windows 10 as in? Upgrade from 7? Fresh install? Give build.

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Do mobos dump any significant heat into the case? If so, do itx boards run hotter (case cooling aside)?

>>61228058
Fresh install and it crashes >>61227998 on that image, it will either crash on that exactly or may say preparing automatic repair but will still crash,

build is
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/6mj9HN

Why are they all holding the non-shielded part?
If they have goggles, why not a respirator? High vis jacket?

GLOVES?

>>61228112
The thing post with no problem and you are able to get into the Bios right?

>>61228085
Mobos do not contribute any appreciable heat to the case, no.
No.

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Was about to get an Omen. Then got wind of shit like the pg35vq coming soon.
Think I've decided to spend half as much on a trial monitor I can pass off to a friend if/when I upgrade to something more substantial.

Question is, which should I do a trial of?
IPS or VA?
And, what res? 1080p is probably going to be the only option for meeting the <600$ criteria, but it might be worth checking 1440/4k for how well they play with games.

Other specs will be 24-27" & have a curve of 1800R or less (I don't think there are many of those though).

>>61227998
Install windows 7.

>>61228134
Yeah I can get into the bios fine

>>61228150
You know W7 is getting locked out of new CPUs right?

>>61228170
Wat.

>>61228157
It is a hard crash right? Could be SSD problem. Remove your SSD and install W10 on your HDD instead.

>>61228178
Just managed to boot up correctly, ssd still connected, now updating drivers, anything I should do to check what the problem was?

>>61228235
Event viewer I guess.
It isn't a BSOD so there is no error code we can help with.

Normie and GAMER friends alike decide they all need GAMING PCS, BRO this year, so I suddenly become the designated hand-holder. I refuse to answer questions on the most basic topics that get covered thoroughly on almost any guide in any medium (stuff like, not knowing what a socket is). Always point them to good websites at least. They always get miffed that I'm not their free Tech support but always come back later with their PCPartPicker List

"So is this good for over-clocking? I want to over-clock"
>Why do you want to over-clock
"What do you mean?"

All that happens is they build a $1500 rig, buy 1 or 2 games on Steam (that they usually already own for console), get bored, go back to console. What's weird is most of these guys are Android/PC Laptop people but the minute they sniff a fad they turn into the same "need the newest and the fastest parts for reasons". Makes me wonder why they really have been shitting on Apple for years for being "expensive" if they don't even know shit like: you need a power supply. At least when your mom buys a Macbook she can go yell at the guy at the Apple Store that her laptop doesn't work.

>I want to SLI!
>I want to RAID!
>I want to OVERCLOCK!

It's like the Diamond Ring for liberal boys.

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>>61227352
Is this good enough to run modern games at 1440p 144hz?

>>61228269
You are going to need a 1700

>>61228275
Is it still worth to get a 1700 over a 7700k then? The price is pretty much the same between the two

>>61228286
Depends. 1700 is behind the 7700k when it comes to games but ahead in everything else.

Don't let morons tell you otherwise.
http://www.legitreviews.com/intel-core-i7-7700k-versus-amd-ryzen-1700x-14-game-cpu-showdown_192508/6
Here are some benchmarks.

1700 is better than 7700k is almost every other aspects like streaming or rendering etc.

>>61227998
Did you upgrade_
Reinstall. Try using the one from the settings menu first.

>>61228286
Also note that the 1700 comes with a stock cooler while the 7700k does not so technically while they are the same price the latter is more expensive.

Also watch out for the AMD shill in this thread. Make your own decision and do your own research.

>>61228275
Bullshit. The 1700 doesn't perform appreciably better than the 1600 in games unless you're streaming or shit.

>>61228324
All i have been reading always says that for 144hz the higher clock of the 7700k is the best option

>>61228305
>1700 is behind the 7700k when it comes to games but ahead in everything else.
aren't they practically the same in 1440p and above?

Are liquid metal thermal compounds worth it?
I'm thinking about getting Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut, but I'm worried it's gonna dry out like Coolaboratory Liquid Ultra does and it's going to stain my cooler.

>>61228420
Read the review I posted.

>>61228401
That is true which is why the shill removed i7-7700k from the OP.

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how does this look? forget the shit PSU i already have a 650W

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>>61228607
You already have a HDD/SDD?

>>61228525
am i missing something? the review you linked shows 1700x being better in most of the games expect far cry in 1080p.

>>61228622
multiple

I want to have a home computer slave. My goal is good computational power for cheap. The thing will mostly stay at home and wait for me sshing into it to make it compute shit I don't want to compute on my laptop (this is mostly machine learning stuff). As of now I don't want/need a GPU, but I will probably consider it at some point, but not right now. I need:

>16 GB of RAM at least
>Reasonable Linux compatibility
>HDMI out would be nice just in case
>Should have a small (~128 GB) SSD for scratch and OS, beyond that I will see how much I need, maybe nothing at all.
>Somewhat small in size

I haven't build anything since 2006, but from what I gather, if anything, it got a whole lot easier since then. I have no clue what is cool atm, so please tell me

>>61228525
Yeah but they used a 1700x there, which is more expensive and comes without a cooler.
I know that its just an oc'd version of the 1700.
But that means there will be less room to overclock afterwards.
So supposing i can overclock the 7700k to 5ghz or close to it, the performance difference to the 1700 which can't be overclocked much past the 1700x level becomes noticeable right?

I'm not an intel shill. I love rooting for the underdog both in cpu and gpu.
But when it's a question of money i need to make the right decision of picking the best option

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Tweaked my list, anything glaringly stupid here?
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/3knWsJ
Summer temp peaks at 25C/77F, not planning to OC at all, tower's pretty well-ventilated and I have the CM 212. I'm good cooling-wise, right?

>>61228781
Glaringly stupid things:
The motherboard is extremely overkill if you dont plan on overclocking.
The cpu could be swapped to a 1600x since it gives similar performance in 60hz gaming and much better productivity.
The ssd is larger than necessarty but if you feel like you want the space then sure.
The psu is too big especially since you dont plan on overclocking. You could be good with a 550w or 650w if you really want to be safe

>>61228773
Just get the Ryzen 7, at 1440 you're very rarely going to be CPU bound.

>>61228827
The issue i've always seen raised though is the 144hz being a problem of lower clocked amd cpu's, not the 1440p

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>>61228781
>glaringly stupid
>6700k

Got it in one

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>>61228816
>>61228781 i'm this guy

I changed a few things.
But dude if you want help on this board, follow the op:
>State the budget for your build (and country if not the USA).
>List games/software you use often, as well as your monitor resolution + refresh rate.
>Clarify your goal for build improvements: lower price or improved specs?

Without knowing budget or objective people can't really help

>>61228836
It's only an issue if the FPS is CPU bound which is unlikely the case at that resolution except in older titles but odds are that you'll hit 144fps in those anyway.

You're talking about a situation that happens incredibly infrequently in corner cases. At this point I would struggle to recommend the 7700k except to people that primarily emulate certain consoles because they absolutely require high single threaded performance and likely will never scale due to the emulation authors being lazy or incompetent.

>>61228863
Would you recommend the 7700k if you could find it discounted by 120$?

>>61228924
Sure, I guess so at that point.

>>61228949
Okay thanks.
I found a combo deal by asus that gave a 120$ cashback with a 7700k

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whats /g/'s opinion on ASUS DUAL RX 480 8GB GDDR5 256bit?

>>61229008
if you can get one for a good price, it's great at outperforming the GTX 1060 6GB. Don't pay more than $270 for it though

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>>61228816
>>61228847
I guess 2500 CND budget limit since that's about where I'm at now and I'd rather not go any higher.
I regularly play a few stupidly large (60GB+) games with long loading screens and use a few art programs, which is why I want extra room on the SSD.
Monitor is 1080/60hz.
I know I said I'm not planning to OC at all, but I like having the option of attempting it in the future once I'm more familiar, so having a board/PSU capable of it appeals to me and I can accept the cost (and 750 was only like $15 more than 650 so hey).
I'm leery of a Ryzen since they're new and I've seen a couple mentions of them not being optimized for vidya. If you could elaborate on that aspect for me, I'd appreciate it. 1600x also says no fan/cooler. Would the CM 212 cover that?
Thanks for your time anon, I was trying to keep my posts minimal but I suppose that's idiotic if I'm expecting someone to go over my list.

Not my first time building computers but i don't think this deserves a thread of it's own.
Does anyone still use fanless cpu coolers?
i can't find much information about them online.
anyone have fanless cpu cooler recommendations?
up to 190mm tall and cannot take up the first pci lane.

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>>61229127
Ryzen has no problems with gaming...

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>>61229127
If you do absolutely anything more than just playing videogames, and especially considering you're playing at 1080p 60hz with a 1080 ti, i recommend going for AMD.
The architecture is new so not everything is perfect, but it's going to save you money.

If you don't care about money and you're fine spending 2.5k then your build is fine.

But i would still recommend changing the cpu/motherboard.
A ryzen 1600 is essentially the same as the 1600x but it has a cooler and is a bit underclocked. If you absolutely would not want to attempt overclocking then get a 1600x.

If you are ok with overclocking a bit, the 1600 comes with it's own cooler and it's pretty good.

You picked 3200 mhz ram which scales much better with amd rather than intel. so that can stay.

The SSD and HDD are fine.

So in total. 200$ saved which you can spend on anything you want. Do your own research into the motherboard and if it fits your needs.
See if you want to get some case fans, 2tb of storage an additional cpu cooler instead of stock if you want heavy overclocking.
Do your own research into the PSU, i really don't think you'll need the 750w one, but if you have doubts go for it.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/HzQ8cc

>>61229127
ryzen is fine for gaming but not as good as intel cpus with higher clock speeds. 1600x gets 6 cores to 4ghz while a 7700k gets 4 cores to 4.6ghz. games prefer fewer cores with higher speeds.
not all cpu coolers support ryzen, it's a new am4 socket. some motherboards support am3 socket coolers. i know that at least one of the asus rog coolers do.

>>61229127
What this guy said is pretty dumb.
>>61229305

It's true that games so far have not made use of multithreading. But all you need to do is go look at benchmarks and you'll see that the avarage fps is pretty much the same between amd and intel at this level.
The i7 6700k is just a dumb purchase. At slightly higher cost you can get a 7700k which has impressive clock speed, and at a lower cost you can get a 1600 or 1600x which have all the benefits of extra cores and extra threads.

I recently bought a 7700k but just because i got a good discount and i've seen it recommended for 144hz. If i wasn't going for this or i hadn't found that discount, i would have gotten a 1600 or 1700. And i do almost exclusively gaming,
You said you do some content creation so the extra threads of AMD will definitely be beneficial.

Is this a good mom-proof build?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kQmyNN

My parents are moving into a new house next month and leaving me their old one. My mom asked for a new desktop for her work, mainly needs to use excel and some company private toolkit to help clients. I'm hoping I can just build it and install what she needs and hopefully she doesn't install a virus since I live and work far from where they're moving to.

Do some 2.5" SSDs run hotter than others? Are there any differences in temps between brands/models?

>>61229370
>The i7 6700k is just a dumb purchase. At slightly higher cost you can get a 7700k which has impressive clock speed
Oh wow, .2GHz is so much more impressive. Just conviently forget that the 7700k overheats without even overclocking it.

>>61229537
Not really.

>>61229540
There is a reason why i didn't recommend it for him.
I bought it because i'm okay with delidding and overclocking.
The 6700k is just a dumb compromise between a midtier processor and a hightier one. It has the cost of a high tier but not the performance

>>61229559
Overclock a 6700k to 4.2 and voila. You now have a 7700k. So impressive.

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>>61229527
Looks OK, might want to wait and see if Ryzen 3 is a better option but otherwise it's fine

>>61229582
Yes you have a 7700k for 10$ cheaper.
Except you cant push it to the same levels that the 7700k can achieve by just spending 10$ more.

>>61229605
Lest you want to burn down your house but whatever. The 7700k is practically a 6700k overclocked anyway since intel was too lazy to make any real changes.

>>61229643
AS i said. Delidding and good cooling make it manageable. Listen i'm not an intel shill. I prefer AMD. But i just really don't understand the point of paying 10 dollars less for a lower clocked 7700k which will reach a lower overclock, using old z170 boards.

>>61229296
>>61229370
Aight, after consulting this and some archives, you've won me over. Thanks for the help, anon.

>>61229805
Glad to be of help. Pass it forward by helping other people in whatever subject you know more than the average about.

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>>61227352

so I'm trying to build budget workstation pc for under 1400 bucks NOT FOR GAMING

mainly for maya octane render and autodesk/cad inventor

I thought about using a ryzen 1700x cpu and 2-3 graphic cards

so I can buy nvidia quaddro's k4000 for 300 each or gtx1070 for 450 each

now normally I know quaddro would be more suitable for those workloads but given how new those the gtx's are I'm not so sure if they still can hold up to them

any tipps guys?

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>Purpose:
144hz 1440p gaming. Most likely no rendering or streaming or things that would make AMD a clearly better choice
>Country:
Italy, sadly.
>Budget:
Around 2.5k including monitor.
Currently over-budget because of ridiculous GPU prices here now. Waiting to buy until i get a good deal on a GPU or monitor.

Also i know the rgb ram is not a smart choice. I'll get non rgb if i can't find good deals on the GPU and save 20€. I just really like the look of that kit.

I'd just appreciate if you could glance at it and see if you see any glaring errors or possible changes.
Also what is the recommended ram speed? Is 3000mhz enough or is it best to go a bit above with 3200?

Some more reasoning behind choices:
I got a 110$ combo deal on the cpu/mobo, that's why i picked it.
I like the look and style of the case, and the room for watercooling.
SSD for OS and a few games, 1tb for storage with room to expand later on.

I don't know what aftermarket 1080ti to buy. Pricing is cruel in Italy due to import and sales tax, waiting to see if prices go down a bit or if i can find a deal on a ~700€ card

>>61230021
https://it.pcpartpicker.com/user/IAmTheCheese42/saved/dqqTWZ
Link

>>61230021
I'd get a Noctua D15 for better thermals for cheaper instead unless you're a homo that cares about look

>>61230021
Check out Acer XB271HU. It is the competitor and alternative to the PG27Q. It is slightly cheaper and might shave dollars off your budget.

For the 1080ti get Asus, EVGA or MSI.

>>61230077
You might have seen from the ram that i'm a bit of a homo. But i'm one of those weirdos that likes the look of noctua fans so that's not the biggest issue
Additionally all the benchmarks and comparisons i've seen show that that aio perfroms pretty well and above the noctua 15, while having a little room to expand to a waterblock on the gpu.
But yeah i'm still deciding and debating on the cooling aspect, thanks for the input.

>>61230122
Yeah that gpu pick is really temporary, it was the least expensive aftermarket when i originally made the list.

Thanks for the monitor suggestion. I'll update the list

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>>61230137
>pretty well and above the noctua 15
Nah it's usually very close / or even outperformed
It's definitely true that it leaves you less room for the waterblock, but if you remove the 5.25" bay then i'm fairly sure you should have enough room to put it in there, pic related

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>>61230237
>Nah it's usually very close / or even outperformed
Couldn't post both pictures at the same time

>>61230203
https://www.productchart.com/monitors/
Here us this to pick a monitor.

>>61227432
Rumor has it base will be $850, according to partners motherboards will be pricey though. Probably similar to the price difference on X299 boards.
>>61230137
One thing to keep in mind is how much less hassle an air cooler is. I personally had an antec H2O 920 and by the end of it was happy to replace it with an NH-D14. Pump grinding issues, water not getting pumped through due to rad placement, etc. With the noctua you should just be able to slap it on your PC and not worry at all. It'd perform 95% as well while being a fair bit more manageable in my opinion.
As for monitors, if you want to save a bit of money it might be worth checking if you can get a good deal on a Dell S2716DG. They're 27" 1440p 144hz TNs (really good TNs) with gsync and go for $600 CAD here on sale all the time.

>>61230237
Sorry i meant to write pretty similarly or above*. Not saying it's a very noticeable difference.
Also the gpu waterblock comment was referring to being able to expand the AIO cooler i picked to allow a gpu waterblock.
One of the things i've been thinking about has been to slowly work on watercooling. Start with an AIO for the cpu. Expand by adding a waterblock to the GPU using the built-in pump of the AIO, that while small and limited, should be enough.
And later on remove the AIO and create a custom loop having already purchased the GPU waterblock.

I think my reasoning makes sense but i also agree that it would be cheaper and just as effective to buy the noctua

You guys shouldn't buy a 7700k right now. Coffee Lake is near with 6 cores i7. Either hold on or go R7 1700.

t. 7700k owner

>>61230258
Thanks had never heard of the site before.

>>61230271
Yeah i see your point on the hassle. I don't know maybe i'm romanticizing the coolness (no pun intended) of watercooling. Plus as i said in my response to the other guy i have this maybe dumb plan of adding a gpu waterblock as a midway step to eventually going for a custom loop.

That monitor here ends up being the same price as the IPS ones, so unless i find it on sale i'd prefer an IPS panel.
Thanks anyway for the response

>>61230345
7700k and 1700 have very different strengths, if you consider one you shouldn't consider the other because they can't be swapped in the same usages

>>61230345
>The wait memes
Yeah I love waiting for Vega so much. I love waiting for stuff so much i got priced out of the entire midrange cause some fucking pajeet AMD shill told me 2 months ago to wait for Vega. Fucking wait meme needs to die.

>>61230376
Just Wait for volta :^)

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>>61230435

>>61230345
>Coffee Lake is near with 6 cores i7
At lower frequency and near identical IPC.

>>61230502
>near identical IPC.
What, you expect improvements?

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This PSU any good?

>>61230527
>400-650W
No

>>61230536
Any cheap ones you can recommend?

>>61230559
Bronze rated namebrands. Buying offbrand psu is dangerous

>>61230527

This is what I found about the Power supply, pretty detailed information to be honest.

https://www.eteknix.com/chieftec-135-aps-600sb-series-600w-power-supply-review/

>>61230559
>Cheap
>PSU
No. I won't recommend that.

What are some good gay man AM4 motherboards?

>>61230559
No.
The PSU is one place you DON'T want to cheap out. The PSU is THE most likely component in any build to fail, and they typically don't go out alone. It's generally a "If I'm going down, I'm taking you all with me" type of product. You want something from a name brand rated for 80+ Bronze or better. Highly recommended brands include Seasonic and EVGA.

>>61230653
All MSI boards
Asrock AB350 Pro 4 and AB350M Pro 4
Asus Prime B350-Plus
Gigabyte GA-AB350 Gaming 3 and GA-AB350M Gaming 3
Asus B350-F Strix
Asrock Fatal1ty B350 Gaming K4

R5 1600 paired with 1080 a good idea? Will there be a CPU bottleneck there at 1080/144hz?

Is the AOC G2460PF a solid monitor? Is it dumb to use it with a 1060 since it's a freesync monitor?
Currently using a 60hz monitor without g sync and I don't notice any tearing. I'm planning to upgrade my card in a year or so to go to 1440 144hz, so I don't want to get a crazy pricy one now.

>>61230784
Yes, either get high frequency ram & overclock or stick to a 7700k

Hi guys,
~1k budget here, I'm mostly using this for 3D graphics work and Unity development as well as some auto CAD for engineering.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8JpcsJ


Ofc, SSD is optional and so is the wifi receiver.
Is this good bros?

>>update: someone is telling me to replace the intel with the new Ryzen. I don't see what's so great about it.

Critique pls. First build.

Is the Asus RX580 good?

>>61230852
>>>update: someone is telling me to replace the intel with the new Ryzen. I don't see what's so great about it.
It has twice as many cores, and therefore almost twice as good multi-threaded performance compared to the i7(the IPC of Ryzen is nearly identical with Kaby Lake/skylake). So if you DO need good multi-threaded performance, you should get Ryzen. And if you DON'T need good multi-threaded performance, you shouldn't be getting an i7 anyways.

>>61230852
Replacing the Intel CPU with a Ryzen 7 1700 would be a good movie. CAD work and 3D graphics work are incredibly multi-threaded and multi-core dependent, so the 8 cores and 16 threads of a Ryzen 7 would be a fucking godsend for you.'

>>61230916
>if you DON'T need good multi-threaded performance, you shouldn't be getting an i7 anyways
Isn't i7 the best CPU on the market for single core OC performance, though?

>>61230799
You don't really need G-sync/Freesync unless you play above 60 FPS. If you are planning on 144hz, definitely get a monitor with the correct sync module as it makes a world of difference.

>>61230905
The RX 580 in general is good, but it's a mid-range GPU. If it's a 4 GB model, don't pay over $220. If it's an 8GB model, don't pay over $270

>>61230905
Which, the rog stryx? If so then yeah it's a pretty great card in cooling and noise

>>61230933
Except single thread single core performance doesn't matter here. In games, yea, single core, single thread workloads matter, but CAD work and 3D graphics work isn't a single core single thread workload. It's a multi-core multi-thread workload and that i7 will be screaming Uncle long before Ryzen does.

>>61230933
>isn't i7 the best at [buzzwords]
I mean, yeah, but why does it matters? It's not the best at the things you do.

i am way past my flashy rgb phase in computers but still have one unfortunately, does anyone know a non-windowed, subtle and elegant ATX case that will fit well with all the minimal ikea shit in my room and also doesn't look gamery in any way whatsoever that also doesn't have a low volume because it has to fit an amp extreme card

>>61230947
My gpu hits easily over 60fps, but my monitor is only 60hz. So vsync will only help once I get a 144hz monitor? Would capping fps around 100 help to avoid those problems?

>>61230948
>>61230972
Asus specifically, I'm looking at the 8GB Dual OC but should I go for the Strix instead? Doesn't look like there's any difference aside from Arr Gee Bee

>>61231019
Kike sync and free sync is great because when you drop frames, you don't notice it. You can go from 144 frames to 100 frames and you will almost not notice it compared to V-sync.

>>61228607
please respond

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Done my first build today, please send help, can get into the bios fine, have installed windows on the ssd, now when booting up it crashes at a black screen and blue windows logo, will sometimes say preparing automatic repair but still crashes, attempted to reinstall windows but then crashes on same screen before install options appear, tried removing ssd to install on hdd but still crashes on the same page again, what can I do?

This is my build
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/6mj9HN

>>61230997
Antec P100

>>61231048
Yes, the Strix version is better. It has a completely different cooler than the Dual OC. The RGB is just a bonus.

>>61231056
no shouldnt have bought win10

>>61230997
Fractal Design

>>61230933
You're better off with good multi threaded performance for your workload

>>61231019
>My gpu hits easily over 60fps, but my monitor is only 60hz

use fast sync. tear-free gaming at high fps without the shitty input lag of triple buffered vsync. also saves you like $200 from buying a shitty freesync/gsync monitor.

>>61231056
Do you have a spare PC? Go download the bios and update it and try again.

>>61231076
Didn't buy it, trying to use the usb installer tool

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>>61231048
>Doesn't look like there's any difference aside from Arr Gee Bee
anon...
The stryx is definitely a great card and could be worth but that's dependent on the price difference

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>>61230997

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Thoughts?

>>61231090
You got this USB installer tool from windows right? Didn't you mention awhile ago that it would boot? So it is an intermittent issue right? Those are the hardest to diagnose.

>>61231048
>>61230905
Anon please tell me where you found 580s in stock, I need about 10 for a school project

>>61231091
The Strix costs 20 Euro more

curved screen is a meme

>>61231089
I have a laptop I am using just now, so I should flash the bios then try reinstalling windows?

>>61231109
Price pls

>>61231123
>need about 10 for a school project
no you don't

>>61231082
>fast sync
It's a feature of every modern Nvidia card, right? Monitor-agnostic?

>>61231125
Do it.

>>61231109
You can save money from getting a P400 over a Enthoo pro and a cheaper motherboard and get a HDD. Nothing in your build requires a Enthoo Pro over a P400.

>>61231112
Yeah thats right, downloaded from windows, randomly worked this morning and let me log in, went out for a few hours and it is having the issue again now

>>61231109
Why do you have two SSDs?

>>61231123
In my local store, I'm in Europe

>>61231125
Not worth unless you really want the best cooling without it being noisy, so most likely not worth for you. The cheaper one will perform as well but just run hotter, but it isn't relevant unless you live in a very hot country.

Redpill me on Windows 7 and Ryzen CPUs. I don't really want to buy into Win10 meme yet.

>>61230933
>Isn't i7 the best CPU on the market for single core OC performance, though?
If you're going to OC and just want the best single-core performance, just get the 7350k. You can get the same clocks as the i7 with less heat.

When it crashes I also lose power to my mouse and kb, not sure if that is any help or not

>>61231178
W7 Unblock Update Kaby-Lake / Ryzen
https://github.com/zeffy/kb4012218-19

Drivers to USB drive:
https://community.spiceworks.com/how_to/125921-how-to-add-drivers-manually-to-a-usb-drive-to-install-windows-7-using-a-usb-3-0-port
Or Asus's EZInstaller
https://www.asus.com/support/Download/3/480/0/60/30/

>>61231101
can you tell me what the actual difference between the "black" and "blackout" versions of this case are?

>>61231143
yeah just go into control panel and activate it either in the global settings or by a game-by-game basis in the application settings.

i activate it only in certain games because i'm not sure if fast sync combined with vsync in a game can cause extra latency so i only use it in certain games which i know will have high fps and will cause tearing like overwatch or something

>>61231165
What store is it and what country anon? Is it below €300?

>>61231178
Not officially supported.
Windows 7 loses support from Microsnot in 2020 anyway. That isn't a long time from now. I think you would be better off running Windows 8.1

>>61231197
nevermind it makes the fans and innards black instead of white i see

>>61231109
Get 3200 ram if you can afford it, maybe by cutting back slightly on the ssd storage for now and upgrade that later, since you can't upgrade ram the same way.

>>61231129
Just flash the bios and try to boot.

>>61231153
Well it is an intermittent issue that prevents booting. Might be the bios. Try update it first.

>>61231133
Should be around $1550 w/tax

>>61231165
>>61231212
Actually, scratch that, they're completely out of stock here as well. I'm not going to build the PC in a while anyways but this is getting ridiculous.

>>61231109
Don't listen to >>61231227, RAM speed higher than 2400 are a meme

>>61231251
unless you use Ryzen. Then it becomes extremely important.

>>61231251
Are you serious? Ram speed makes a noticeable difference especially on ryzen

>>61231247
Don't buy rx cards for gaming anon. They go for twice the normal price if you can even get them because of the mining boom in early 2017.
Get the 1070 or the 1060

>>61231264
What about 4GHz RAM?

>>61231251
How's 2016?

>>61231234
i meant price of each individual components

>>61231266
1070 is out of stock in certain places or overpriced. It is fucking insane right now.

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>>61227352
>>61230527
Does anyone know a good 1000+W PSU with 8 or more 6+2 pins? I only need one sata connector in total and as many 6+2 as possible

>>61231148
Thanks
I had not seen the P400 but prefer its looks

>>61231165
>>61231227
The SSDs are already purchased where I was able to get good deals. I could put one of them in an old computer as an upgrade.

I'll look at 3200 ram.

so I was trying to breathe some life into a pentium 3 LGA 775 by putting in a spare P4 but the computer didnt boot with the P4 and wont boot with the P3 now either. all cables are secure and the processor is seated well. the MOBO has no visible defects. what did I fuck up?

>>61231294
Go ask /biz/. We don't deal with your kind.

>>61231288
Maybe you should just Wait™ for the rx vega. I'm going to preorder as many as I have money for as soon as it becomes available.

>>61231271
4000 mhz. The maxmum ram speed confirmed for Ryzen at the moment is 3600 Mhz.
Faster ram makes a HUGE difference on Ryzen because it directly affects how fast the 2 CCX's in the CPU can communicate.

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are there any 500gb SSDs in this price range that are better than the samsung evo?

>>61231266
I want a card with 8GB VRAM and the 1070 is out of my budget. I might just stick a GT1030 in it when I build my PC and wait and see how things look in the future because I basically only play Overwatch right now but I want to buy a decent card that I can keep for at least 3-4 years.

>>61231294
go fuck yourself with a 3 foot diameter dildo wrapped in sandpaper and barbed wire.

Ryzen 7 matx build, do I go for the MSI mortar or the Asrock Pro4? Planning on doing mild overclocking and for games.

>>61231330
Except HBM2 is bad for mining. Plus Vega has been shown to run hot and loud like Fury X while being worse at mining.

>>61231385
>Except HBM2 is bad for mining
Do we have confirmation yet? I'm thinking about buying a KFA 1080 EXOC for 549€ instead of waiting any longer because i'm unsure about RX Vega.
I know Vega FE is not RX Vega but i don't see how they magically enhance gaming performance to the point they beat the 1080.

Anyone bought parts off ebay?
I see quite a few listings from newegg, some lower than their website.
Obviously sticking to sellers with a large number of sales and positive feedback.

>>61231414
>Do we have confirmation yet?
We can speculate why the FE only has a 10% increase in hash rate over the 580.

>but i don't see how they magically enhance gaming performance to the point they beat the 1080.
At this point in time where the release date is only 3 weeks away you might as well literally wait.

I want to build a Ryzen PC without a vidya card (for now), I found a really old and dusty NX 8500 GT, it's dirty and there's a small cooler glued on top of the original one, but it should work, right?

>>61231480
Why not?

Ok, bios has been updated to latest version, reconnected ssd and it has booted up straight to windows, thanks lads, will see if the problem returns

>>61231499
No problem anon. I hope your problem get solved unlike the other anon that got a haunted PC that literally no one could solve.

>>61231495
PCI-E slots are all backwards compatible, right? Do modern MBs even have those small 3 pin power connectors for coolers?

do PSUs need to be cooled well? i'm going to hook up about 10 of them to power a school project and they're going to be in a confined space

>>61231529
yes and yes

>>61231540
You should water cool them

>>61231540
No. It is fine to keep them all together.

>>61231553
>>61231559
what if i just point all the fans downwards and lay some huge fans undernearth?

>>61231385
>>61231466
>Except HBM2 is bad for mining
Why exactly is this? I don't know anything about hbm2 except that it's supposed to be better than gddr5 and gddr5x.
>We can speculate why the FE only has a 10% increase in hash rate over the 580
The hashrate of a reference 580 with stock settings is about 22 MH/s, while the FE is reported to be around 30-35. If we assume the same BIOS editing jewry can be done, the rx vega could be around 40-45 which might be worth it if the card isn't too expensive and doesn't draw too much power.
Also the RX Vega will have two times more compute units than the 580, so it will probably do much better in ZEC mining than the 580

>>61231581
Don't be a retard. The counter spin of the huge fans underneath will cause the spin of the PSU to de-sync potentially damaging your components.

>>61231381
ASRock

>>61231614
dont be stupid the psus are going to be mounted in a big cage, plus i imagine the fan would have its own cage

>>61231630
mai waifu has her own cage

>>61231614
>counter spin
>de-sync
what

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>>61231636
is that so

>>61231636
yes but a shit

>>61231640
How else are you going to power your school project that requires 10 PSU and multiple GPUs?

>>61231682
i never said anything about gpus

>>61231704
>>61231123

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>>61231682
wow, you're right!!!

>>61231748
thats not me

>>61231704
>>61231748
>>61231767
you lying shit. you are a miner aren't you?

>>61231781
no im 18

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>>61231748
Don't compare me to this subhuman please. My school project doesn't involve an autist who wants to watercool his psus, I just want a psu that doesn't have 6 useless fucking sata connectors all the while only having 3 6+2 pin ones.

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>>61231817

>>61231466
>only 3 weeks
In "only 3 weeks" prices can significantly rise or cards be sold out which is what i fear. With the current situation one can only lose.

>>61227352
>not a single part I wanted went on sale yesterday
Goddamn commie tech companies

feeling real silly for building with 1600 and 2400mhz ram :(

>>61232014
at least you didn't build with 2133mhz ram :^)

>picking out parts for a pc
>start browsing evga cards
>start browsing evga
>evga cards
>evga

there's no going back is there

>>61231342
So did someone figure out why is this? I mean if infinity fabric is such a magical solar roadway that it allows 100% cpu scaling why is it connected directly to ram? Maybe it's HBC on cpus?

>>61227352
Thoughts on buying a used GPU like the 750 Ti?

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>>61228170
Get a load of this fag

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>>61228170
>>61232175

>>61232111
I would say go for a new 1050ti

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I don't know shit about building a computer and picking pieces, pic related is what i bought today. Basically i needed a computer to make music with FL Studio. I found an article on their website about "what computer should i get for music creation", and they were basically talking about how a good CPU was the key. According to them, a good CPU was something higher than 10 000 on CPUBenchmark, so i picked the AMD Ryzen 5 1500X with a score of 10 825. I bought 1TB of hard drive and i got a 120GB SSD to put powerful VSTs like Omnisphere on it. I picked 8gb of RAM and i know it's probably not enough, but i will buy another 8GB next month.

Overall, i think i did well with those pieces, but i have no idea about the video card, the motherboard (i wanted a Gigabyte AB350-Gaming 3 but it was sold out, had to pick a Gigabyte AB350-Gaming) and the power supply. The only thing i know is that i wanted a decent video card to be able to run games like CS:GO, Outlast 2, etc. What do you think ?

Need some help.

I have been on this X6 1055t for years. I upgraded the RAM to 16 and have a GTX 660 (MSI) and it still runs surprisingly fine. I can play the games I want, other than that it's okay.

But Lightroom (I know it's shitty and slow) is just not doable. It's tiring. It takes too much time. Way too much. It takes at least 5 seconds to navigate to the next photo.

My budget is around 300-400 euros. So I need a new motherboard, CPU and RAM. I have a big tower and enough watt I think.

Anyone?

I currently have a 760 4gb and I was looking at some 1060s. Why is it that my card has a 256bit bus, yet the 1060s only have 192?

>>61232071
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfWlEOCz4dw

>>61232597
faster ram is recommended. Ryzen compatibility can be shit so look at the QVL and reviews from people with that mobo

>>61232597
>According to them, a good CPU was something higher than 10 000 on CPUBenchmark
CPUBencmark's garbage score is in no way indicative of any real world performance, you shouldn't trust that garbage article too.
Try to google a bit to see how well FL Studio is multithreaded and how more cores affect the performance in there

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/b4YV8K

>>61233144
?

>>61233144
>>61233205
Isn't that black/blue case going to look kind of off with no other blue accents to play off?

>>61232068

evga is really nice, just depends on getting access to their products outside of US

their motherboards are nice and psu division now rivaling with ss

>>61233144
that cooler is worse than stock one that comes with r5 1600

what should I get for 1080p@60~hz if I can't find the rx 570 due to fagits mining memecoins ?

>>61233310
Used 970

>>61233310
every gpu is either gone or overpriced atm

>>61227998
Ooh I had that problem and I just switched the RAM sticks around, don't know why but it worked.

>>61233328
>3.5 meme card
>ever

>>61233334
I want to make a ryzen build but without gpu it might be useless so I will just have to wait for the ETH bubble to burst

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>>61227397
>>61227405
Shit man I've been saving up for a new GPU and stuck waiting in this Bitminer Market. When the prices drop for second hand what should I get for like $400-500?

I'll be like a lad in a candy market.

So I bought a prebuilt PC since it was on sale, it has a Ryzen 5 1400, since all the Ryzens have the same CPU slot, would I hypothetically be able to upgrade it to a better ryzen easily later on?

Or would I still have to get a new motherboard and whatnot?

>>61233690
>would I hypothetically be able to upgrade it to a better ryzen easily later on?
yes
might have to get a new PSU and better cooler if going for high-end though

>>61233690

what mobo does it have

Daily reminder that the op lies to you. Ryzen stock coolers are bad. Get an i5

>>61233737
pls stop shitposting

I asked this a little while ago in /sqt/, because it's probably stupid thing to ask. However, it's PC building-related, so I guess it could work here too.
I've got two cases in mind to buy for my new computer. Thermaltake Core X31, or Cougar Panzer.
Which one should I get, with potential aesthetics in mind? I'm not going to pimp it out with literal tons of RGB, I just also don't want some plain grey/black box on my desk.
Thanks for any opinions, anons.

>>61233721
I think it's an AMD B350

>>61230921
Alright thanks man I changed my cpu to Ryzen 7 1700,
now my mobo (ASUS Z170 pro) is incompatible.
Again I'm using this mostly for autoCAD< Unity dev, 3D modelling/rending sht and not heavy video gaming (Witcher 3 stuff).

What would you recommend? ~1k budget*

For the smoothest gameplay with a 60hz non gsync monitor, is it better to use adaptive vsync or an fps cap?

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>>61230921
>>update: The new mobo I chose was the MSI X370 Gaming PRO to come along with the ryzen 7

Just filling it. I'm not sure if that's good for what I need. Mobos shouldn't be that big of a deal however I've heard a lot of bad rap when it comes to MSI parts over ASUS.

Again, it's a lot of decision making. MSI or ASUS, Gigavyte or Asrock for Ryzen 7?

~1k budget btw, not sure if I should risk it for a cheaper mobo and less chance for expandability or overclocking.

>>61234995
>smoothest gameplay with a 60hz [...] monitor
fucking overclock it

>>61235074
What do you need in that 1k? Also, asrock if you need cheap with i/o.

Ordered this yesterday. How did I do?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cFGmzM

>>61235090
I have, only goes up to 69hz

>>61235301
Good but i hope your RAM is compatible and you have a GPU because otherwise you'll see a black screen.

What is the best cpu cooler for a ryzen 5? I'm deciding between the cryorig h7 or the thermaltake contac silent 12

>>61235373
>best cpu cooler
Custom loop. Seriously, if you don't care about money or having a legitimate metal brick inside your case just get the Noctua NH-D15 SE AM4.

>>61227352
micro atx board for ryzen 18x? and a good mini atx for an fx 8350?

>>61227411
>visa balance 0
tough times.

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>>61235345
Yes, I have a 1070 that I bought before the mining incident. Can't wait to get the rest upgraded.

how important is free/g-sync for 144hz?

What is the price of the 1070 in normal circumstances?

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thoughts?
yes, i know there is no cooler listed, im building a water loop

>>61236716
Don't cheap out on the mobo, RAM, HDD and why on earth 2x 250GB SSDs?

Which 1080 ti should I get with water cooling?

EVGA or Corsair? I think EVGA's thermal sensors are better right?

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sup anons I want to upgrade some parts on my PC, what is your suggestions?

>>61236903
oddly enough, 2x250 was cheaper atm than 1x512

any mobo recommendations? and by cheap out on RAM/HDD do you mean more or faster/different manufacturer?

What's the best GPU I can use with my 1600 before it gets bottle necked?

>>61236985
I think a Nvidia Titan Xp would do wonders for your high end PC build

>>61236994
>oddly enough, 2x250 was cheaper atm than 1x512
That's not normal. 500GB SSDs are around 130/150 normally.

>>61237044
Probably a GTX 970 or 1060. After that, the 1600 falls behind the Core i5-7500 running more powerful cards, no matter how much you overclock the 1600 or its memory.

>>61237110
> falls behind the Core i5-7500 running more powerful cards
A 7500 will max one of it's thread (causing a bottleneck) far sooner than with a 1600 as it has only 4 of them to put stuff in as opposed to twelve on the 1600 (6 without SMT) so no, a 7500 isn't gonna bottleneck you later than a 1600 unless the game is light on the CPU

>>61237153
Anandtech's benchmarks say otherwise. Any Core i5 will pull ahead of the Ryzen 5s using Nvidia cards, especially if they're GPU heavy.

>>61235173
see
>>61230852

I can go around 100-200ish over budget, but 1k is where I'm shooting for.

>>61237168
>Anandtech's benchmarks say otherwise.
Anandtech's static pictures do not disprove anything of what i said.
Yes, an Intel CPU will pull ahead of a similarly specced Ryzen CPU in the same situations. It happens though that i5s have only 4 threads to work with whereas Ryzen's minimum at the time being is 8. Don't you find it very unsurprising that, should the 4 threads of the i5 not be enough for the game it is running (CPU intensive game), any CPU that usually performs closely but has more threads will end up pulling ahead of said i5?
This behavior is observable in the following videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBKHsMar1Jo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Ovmxfejvo
https://youtu.be/JypkqwpOtNI?t=8m
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZjHYM7zDiE
When the 4 threads are enough, it pulls slightly ahead. When they aren't, it gets much bigger FPS drops. I don't know about you but i'd personally never pay $190 min for a CPU that can't even play AAA games without being a bottleneck, even if it means i'll possibly end up with less FPS in TF2, minecraft, rocket league and the likes.

>>61230021
At 1440 there is no reason to go for a 7700k, get a Ryzen 7.

>>61237641
>144hz

Is 140€ for an i5 2500k, an Asus P8Z68-V-B3 and 2 sticks of 8GB G.Skill RipJaws X Series DDR3 1600 MHz worth it nowadays?

>>61237684
Lol no.

>>61237684
if you get a cooler and overclock to 4.2 - 4.3GHz you got yourself a solid thing

>>61237724
What cooler (and optionally what GPU) would you recommend for it?

Is the Gigabyte 1070 Extreme a good card?

>Finally have enough spare cash for a real gaming build
>Order all my shit on Sunday
>Credit card automatically declines payment to Newegg ($1k - GPU, motherboard, SSD, case)
>Don't realize this until Monday afternoon
>Reorder and pay extra to make sure it gets here by the weekend
>Get email that case has sent and will be here Thursday
>Figure that they just put the rest of the shit in a different package and it'll be here Thursday too
>Get another email
>Oh boy, the rest of the parts!
>THEY'RE SHIPPING FROM ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND THEY WON'T BE HERE TIL MONDAY FUCKING REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Fucking 'Murica Day, if it weren't for the fucking stars and stripes circlejerk

I'm selling my RX470 I got for 130 USD for around 330 USD. I spontaneously bought an aftermarket 1080 Ti as a replacement for 670 USD shipped after tax and will get 10% cashback.

It's kinda like I'm getting a 1080 Ti for 400~ USD, I guess, which sounds ridiculous, but I'm concerned I've made a mistake. Did I fuck up? Will I get cucked by Nvidia via Volta similar to the 700 series? Will Vega or the Gsync tax cause me major regret?

>>61233482
It's not going to burst. Once ETH goes PoS then mining it will become impossible and people will have to mine other things like DCR, ETC, ZEC, and so on and so forth. That combined with mining-specific hardware may ease the demand a bit.

>>61238262
>Did I fuck up?
No. A 1080Ti for 400 USD is great. You'll now have to pay another 200 goy tax if you want G-Sync. So you basically saved on that if you want to put it that way.
>Will I get cucked by Nvidia
Yes. You bought Nvidia, what do you expect?

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I THOUGHT THE SHITTY MEME COIN CRASHED DAYS AGO. WHERE ARE THE GPU'S?!?!?

>>61237646
It's not a good reason at 1080p and a non-starter at 1440. You get maybe 10-15% better average FPS in non-demanding games at 1080p and pretty much dead even performance at 1440p but lower minimums and lower averages in titles that can scale with more threads. Not to mention overall OS performance and any multi-threaded application is dramatically better with more cores.

>>61238315
>price goes down
>must be a crash!
>price goes up
>TO THE MOON!!

Please kill yourself

>>61238262
You can mine with the 1080 Ti.. it's not very efficient but you can recoup that cost in 2-3 months via something like NiceHash.

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I just had a pop-up thunderstorm cause three quick power outages in a row. What's the best battery backup power strip I can get that will keep my gay-man PC safe?

>>61238315
It rebounded within 24hrs to a stable ~$270.
It'd take a lot for miners to just sell all their newly acquired gear m8.

Are there any psus that are like +2500W?

>>61237646
I've always read that it was good for 144hz.
In any case i already bought it because i could get 110€ off so i'd say it was roth it

>>61238435
meant for this guy >>61237641

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>>61238386

>>61238456
i need a proper psu, something with at least 5 of those 6+2 pci connectors
i cant find any online

>>61238467
Mining rigs use multiple PSUs, and considering your massive lack of knowledge you're not gonna make any profit for it but rather losses.

>>61238467
>>61238601
>mienqwaft player gets rekt

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https://discord.gg/bUJ3VGM

>>61238435
It's not worth the worse performance in everything else. Plus at 1440p there is no appreciable gain since you will not be CPU bound in the vast majority of games.

>>61238656
>discord
fuck off with your chat shit

Thoughts on the kaby lake "T" cpus? Isn't it better to buy a normal chip and underclock yourself? or are they binned or what

>>61238656
>chinkshit
>discord
Fuck off.

>>61238656
>irc for preteens
no thanks

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What are things to look out for when switching from mid tower to micro ATX case?

Local shop doesn't have specs on the matx and the people there aren't really knowledgeable. I'm forced to just inspect it myself. Tips?

>>61238778
>>61238778

Creating early because changes.

I recently bought a 24" G sync monitor for $280. Did I fuck up and should I return it or is G sync worth it.

I've never used freesync before. Also I don't play many fps games.

>>61238793
>Also I don't play many fps games.
Then what exactly do you do with your computer? Also what monitor?
I'd return it considering i doubt you make use of the GSync at all

>>61238816
I've just found it hard to get back into PC gaming. i also missed out on the steam summer sale.

I shitpost on 4chin, do homework, and play Diablo 3 and runescape.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236785&cm_re=asus_g_sync_monitor-_-24-236-785-_-Product

>>61238860
>necro fotm shitter
Return it and spend the money on helium exit bag.

>>61234909
AMD B350 or X370 chipset motherboards. Both allow overclocking.

>>61235074
The AM4 MSI boards have all been getting rave reviews. An X370 Gaming Pro will be perfectly fine.

>>61238197
>If it weren't for easter
>If it weren't for christmas
>If it weren't for new year
>If it weren't for . . .

>>61239138
>X370 Gaming Pro
What's the diff between that and Pro Carbon? Just rice?

>>61239560
from what I can gather, yea.

>>61228262
>Makes me wonder why they really have been shitting on Apple for years for being "expensive" if they don't even know shit like: you need a power supply
>but the minute they sniff a fad they turn into the same "need the newest and the fastest parts for reasons"
Hmm really makes me wonder