/pcbg/ PC Building General

Red pill me on buying from microcenter, is it better than buying online?

>>61222280
yes if you have one near buy

>>61222293
Someone in the last thread was talking about sales tax, if something is marked as 710 USD will it actually cost that ?

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Looking to get another hard drive. I have two 1tb wd blues and they're both almost full. I don't want to drop $100-120 on a 2tb wd black if I can help it. all fanboy shitposting aside, how do seagate and toshiba really compare to wd as far as failure rates go?

>mfw imagining losing 2tb of shit

Reasonably speaking, how long would I have to wait for prices to drop again from this coin mining shit?

>>61222336
go on ebay and get 2tb refurb hgst server drives. had 6+ for over a year, no problems. only $40

>>61222338
Lemme get my crystal ball.

>>61222338

Curious about this too. Been out of the hardware scene for a while, how long have prices been inflated like this?

>>61222336
There was a list posted earlier and none of the brands were especially shit. Seagate is considered crap but the others are fine.

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>>61222363
2-3 months i suppose. I honestly lost all my trust for the free-market and it's principles

>>61222346
sounds kinda sketchy. what's the difference between server hard drives and regular hard drives? would I notice a significant performance difference?

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Is buying a founder's edition really that bad ?

>>61222397
for the full price ? Yes since the aftermarket solutions offer better performance while being almost costing you the same

>>61222404
Right now aftermarket cards are 50 to 100 dollars more expensive.

>>61222280
Bought a am4 bracket and it shipped same day

>>61222336
Get a Toshiba P300 2TB and you're good.

>>61222346
>buying refurb HDD
>only $40
>can get a new one for $5 more
This is just stupid.

>>61222397
Yes. FE is an overpriced, underperforming, overheating pile of trash. Get a custom card.

>>61222426
depends on the card as well, if it's a $100 cheaper 1070 then i'd consider it.

>>61222469
I'm looking to buy a 1080ti

Is it possible to get a good 1060 for a reasonable price in the UK right now or should I just wait? Amazon is looking pretty sold out

>>61222261
>>i7 7700k - only for your wifes son
Kek, you're still there even after being btfo'd this hard? Nice at least that you stopped sperging out by removing it.

>>61222481
if you're willing to spend that much money on a card might as well get a proper one. Don't buy FE 1080ti

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>>61222517
No one reads the OP anyway

Should I just get the 1060 and wait for the 4k meme to take off and upgrade then?

Do i have to upgrade to windows 10 to use ryzen cpus?

>>61222690
No, but you'll need workarounds on W7 to get updates & mouse drivers working, for both kaby-lake and ryzen

WTF? Buy a Mac, or are you all retarded pajeet poorfags?

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>>61222623
>anno domini 2017
>DVI
>not using that space for better heat dissipation

>>61222723
DVI has a big advantage in that it does not tell OS that it has disconnected if you turn off the monitor. On Windows anyway if you turn off a monitor on HDMI or DP it will disconnect it from the desktop composer and rearrange your windows which is fucking annoying as hell.

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>>61222677
>not gaming in 1440@144Hz

>>61222814
I wouldn't use a barracuda drive

>>61222814
purchased?

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>>61222814
>buying a 7700k housefire lake CPU

>>61222839
I've used many barracudas before, I've had WDs go out and come in already dead but never had anything wrong with my barracudas. Only ever had 1 make slightly more noises than normal, but its in my PS3.

>>61222814
>LED RAM

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>>61222814

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>>61222852
alright buddy, havent delidded it yet.

>>61222841
yes everything is included with tax and shipping fees, the gpu was like $805 but i stuck all the shipping onto it because newegg doesnt show which is being charged shipping

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Parts List

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mD2Jd6

Budget: 1000$+
Overwatch/Gta5/VR? Resolution 1080p+

I want to have my build be as beastly as possible when gaming in the 1500$+ budget range. I want to be smart with what I am building for my budget. This means having the build as quiet as possible, low temps while running as efficiently I can get it.

Concerns: Powersupply wattage? What is the safest bet? I am aiming for 80+bronze 750W but idk if that is overkill.

Take a look, feedback highly appreciated as I am a first time builder.

>>61222699
Fuck so I have to update my os before i try to get a ryzen then? Why does it fuck with mouse drivers? I thought and was supposed to be the goku of cpu or some shit.

>>61222878
the regular corsair ram is black and yellow. so no. the led white version was $5 more and I turn off the leds.

>>61222879
based. thanks man, ill just go there just to be sent back here.

>>61222878
>tfw we still don't have glass case hdds with RGB leds embedded in the plates for maximum disco build

>>61222886
Nice waste of cash there, pal. Just delid this already.

>>61222905
sure, let me delid the thing before my return point is up. thats smart.

>>61222764
really? what the fuck were they thinking?

>>61222922
It's not a horrible idea but you can't bypass it which is the annoying thing.

>>61222887

750w should be way more than enough for what you have there.

>>61222900
Why would they send you back? It's the place where you belong.

>>61222949
you clearly haven't been here long. welcome to 4chan.

>>61222947
Is that a good thing? Are there any drawbacks to having such a high psu wattage?

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With new GPU prices being shocking, what would be the best GPU upgrade to a 6870, a GTX 770 perhaps?

>>61222969
Lower fan noise and having headroom isn't a bad idea but 650W should be enough for you.

>>61222965
>t. 13 year old corsair fanboy pro gamer

>>61222943
at least windows remembers the icon locations properly now, so that's less of an issue than before

>>61222993
>using t.

man how long are you jews going to be here? sorry next time i'll stick with your razer gaming green power and your steelseries, reddragon kiddo gear.

>having everything subtle is not good enough for me I need more

you fags are annoying

Why does OP recommend 1600x when many users and websites have reported OC'ing their 1600 to 1600x levels on the stock Spire cooler?

>>61223021
No problem. Your Corsair VOID 7.1 pro gaming headset will do, it's just as retarded.
>everything corsair or anus because muh gaymen
>not choosing components according to quality and value
Legitimately the mindset of a 13 year old.

PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MzXgf8
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MzXgf8/by_merchant/

>CPU: AMD - Ryzen 5 1600X 3.6GHz 6-Core Processor ($227.99 @ SuperBiiz)
>CPU Cooler: Cooler Master - Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($20.99 @ Newegg)
>Motherboard: Gigabyte - GA-AB350-GAMING 3 ATX AM4 Motherboard ($81.98 @ Newegg)
>Memory: Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($136.88 @ OutletPC)
>Storage: Samsung - 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($104.33 @ OutletPC)
>Storage: Western Digital - Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($48.44 @ OutletPC)
>Video Card: Asus - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB STRIX GAMING Video Card
>Case: NZXT - S340 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ B&H)
>Power Supply: EVGA - SuperNOVA NEX 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($74.88 @ OutletPC)
>Operating System: Microsoft - Windows 10 Home OEM 64-bit ($92.99 @ Amazon)
>Monitor: Asus - PG279Q ROG Swift 27.0" 2560x1440 165Hz Monitor ($749.99 @ Amazon)
>Keyboard: Razer - BlackWidow Chroma V2 Wired Gaming Keyboard ($139.99 @ Amazon)
>Mouse: Razer - DeathAdder Chroma Wired Optical Mouse ($56.89 @ B&H)
>Total: $1805.34
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available

How'd i do pa?

>>61223117

get the 1600 and use the stock cooler it comes with. Save $50 and you can still OC it to 1600x levels.

>>61223109
>im here to bash people on their buys because i don't know my warranties and reviews very well

Alright buddy, you stick with your 20 different types of products each requiring different software to control them. I'll stick with my one. But please, lets see your setup, we are all curious. :)

>>61223090
>1600x if you want higher stock clocks
So in case you are too lazy to OC but still want higher clocks

>>61223136
what if i planning to oc the 1600x? would i get more performance

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>>61223136
>>61223192
OCing is a gamble and never guaranteed... you could just as easily get a low quality 1600X as a higher quality 1600 when it comes to OC potential.

>>61223139
>everything requires different software
>muh gaymen RGB software
I suggest you buy a Corsair RGB dildo next.
> lets see your setup
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/p8Xgf8

How much RAM is needed for gaming these days? 8gb fine?

>reeeee his product has RGB in its name HE MUST LOVE RAINBOWS
alright buddy, you do know RGB isn't permanently on correct? it turns off! can you believe it? maybe you need more headsets though. Try throwing couple more hundred on headsets and a screen maybe you'll start to learn.

>i talk shit about corsair and asus but i use asus myself
alright

>>61222261
why hasn't clockboy verified windows?

>>61222261
solder that ribbon

>>61223390
16gb is ideal though 8gb works for most games.

I have an old Thermaltake TR-2 500W.
Do you guys think it can hold its own with the following rig?
G4560
8gb RAM 2133
gtx 750ti
1tb hdd

>>61223403
He's too busy building his own CPUs and soldering them

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>>61223441
Yes it will be fine

>>61223403
>verifying a huwhite operating system

So Ryzen 5 1600 stock cooler is really good then?

is it worth spending $250 more on the 1080ti instead of buying a 1080?
both are asus strix

>>61223471
It's sufficient for most people

>>61223395
>not being able to properly reply
Get your chromosome count checked.
>Try throwing couple more hundred on headsets and a screen maybe you'll start to learn.
Nice autism, retard. People who work and don't simply take daddy's credit card use more than one monitor.
Enjoy your veiled 7.1 niggerbass gaming headset while i enjoy my excellent headphones with an actual mic that doesn't suck.
>using one product of brand x is the same as having a PC themed with brand x
Double digit IQ reasoning.

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>>612233>>61223455
Thanks senpai.

>>61223475
If you're at 1440 then yes definitely, at 1080p... it really depends on the games you play and if you have a 60hz+ monitor.

>>61223471

As far as price:performance goes, probably best on the market especially if you OC.

>>61223529
>resorted to iq insults because i've been caught being a hypocrite
alright buddy, what is this, 2010? stick with your >t. its still edgy.

> People who work and don't simply take daddy's credit card
lol shitting yourself at a desk all day is not work. Please try and compare your job to mine. I want to see what you do more than CRS7.

>>61222939
>With new GPU prices being shocking, what would be the best GPU upgrade to a 6870, a GTX 770 perhaps?

No. You need a video card with more than 2 or even 4 GB of memory. Realistically you need 8GB to have something that will be decent for a while. A RX480 or RX580 would be a much better choice than a GTX 770, unfortunately they are out of stock because of buttminers.

>>61222814
>That build
Ah I recognize it. You are the faggot that needs backlit keyboard to type in the dark.

>>61223697
Vega soon boys. Announcement on the 30th. If Raja fucks this up, we will gut him.

>>61223594
>hypocrite
Pure autism. Maybe you should look up the definition of hypocrisy. Go on, get your Corsair(R) sponsored gayming """rig""", i prefer chosing products based on quality and value which you are evidently not capable of.
>Please try and compare your job to mine.
Eating crayons and jacking off to Corsair commercials isn't a job.

>>61223729
>i call asus, anus because i should be the only person to use them and i get angry with others use their products
uhhh yah hypocrite.

>Eating crayons
jokes from an autistic kid. please tell me more about jacking off since thats all you can come up with.

>>61223450
How does he pull it off? Are Muslim inventors just that gifted?

>>61223724
>Vega soon
buttminers are going to snatch these up worse than 480 and 580s

>>61223776
Why do you keep posting your shit build and then get defensive when people do indeed shit on you? Really? What is the end game here? Just put your shitty RGB LED build together and go post in a battlestation thread.

>>61223791
Maybe not. FE only gives a 10% increase on hash rates over 580. Turns out HBM is really bad for mining. RX will be weaker (computation wise) to the FE so it might be more expensive (1070 price) but weaker than 580.

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>>61222517
its ok sweetie

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>>61222261
>i7 7700k - only for your wifes son
most accurate op yet

>>61223798
its hilarious how salty you guys get. specially the other guy who can't see his screens or hear correctly so he needs more and more.

>people aren't like me reeeee i'm so mad i need everyone to be like me
alright lemon grab

>>61223864
Salty about what? Really? You post your shit build every other thread and then cry when people tell you it is shit. This isn't the first time people have told you to fuck off. Yet you keep coming back like a dog. And this isn't even "I am merely pretending" troll. You genuinely get salty when people tell you that it is a shit build and to go kill yourself.

How is this card? Midterm?

Radeon RX 560
>4gb
>$140

https://m.newegg.com/products/N82E16814137124

Link related?

>>61223776
>no u
This is the best answer your double digit IQ brain could come up with. Go get your chromosomes checked and fuck off back to >>>/v/.

>>61223864
>he doesn't understand the value of more monitors
>he doesn't understand the joy of having multiple headphones
This is why nobody takes you 13 year old retard seriously. Get your ears checked if you think this 7.1 gaming headset doesn't sound like trash. Chink IEM probably sound far better.

>>61223942
The guy you are replying to needs backlit keyboards to type. Of course he is a moron.

>>61223441
I Used a generic PSU for 1 year with an i5-2310 8gb ram, never had any problem. It is a card i hold close to my heart :)

What are the current king performance/value Ssd

>>61223940
No.

>>61222764
>On Windows anyway if you turn off a monitor on HDMI or DP it will disconnect it from the desktop composer

That's not true though. It's a monitor-specific issue, which is down to monitor manufacturers not following specs. Even when a monitor is off (but not unplugged), it's supposed to supply power to certain pins on the cable to let Windows know that it's still there. When it fails to do this, Windows treats it as being completely disconnected. Some monitors suffer from the problem with both connections, some with neither and some with just one. My Dell U2414H, for instance, behaves correctly when connected via HDMI, but not via DisplayPort (the model also has a multitude of other DP-specific bugs).

Ultimately, it's not a Windows issue (rearranging desktop icons is, but has finally been fixed in the latest Windows 10 update). Blame monitor manufacturers for not bothering to do their job properly.

>>61224038
PNY. They always gets put in budget builds.

>>61224041

Aren't these the same?

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=Radeon+RX+560&id=3708

>>61224083
No as in don't get the 560.

>>61224052
It is true and it doesn't matter whose fault it is, retard.

>>61224083
This website is a very poor website for comparing GPU in real world
Go for a GTX 1050 or Ti unless you have a freesync monitor, both outperform the RX 560

>>61224093
Should of said it's for a secondary computer to do light gaming nothing new and crazy

>>61224052
That's not part of the spec for DP or HDMI, it's possible to do but not required by the spec. So your Dell simply has that feature via HDMI and not via DP. Either way, Windows should let you defeat anything being set by your hardware. In fact if you have a Quadro/Firepro card you can change the EDID and fix it that way.

>>61224124
If you are going to do light gaming and nothing new and crazy just go buy a second hand intel with iGPU which probably is flooding the market at the moment.

>>61224120
See
>>61224124

>>61224188
AMD cards historically for the past few gens never outperform their Nvidia counterparts due to shit like kikeworks or drivers. They however have more "raw performance" but the fact that miners are leaving 560 untouched shows you how fucking shit they are. Anyone on a budget should just get the Nvidia equivalent of the 560 unless they have a freesync monitor they want to use.

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>>61224222
>AMD cards historically for the past few gens never outperform their Nvidia counterparts
>every gpu amd ever made is the fury x

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Time to get out the wallet. Had to make some changes based off of QVL, but I'm at my budget with the card I originally wanted.

What is a card that is better than 1060 6gb but cheaper than 1080 but also in stock?

>>61224257
In games benchmarks you moron. Don't you have a Vega thread to shill on. What the fuck are you doing here Raja? Didn't you say the die will be sub 500mm? Why the fuck is the FE larger than 500mm making it 2 times the size of polaris while only having 50% of the power? Why the fuck is FE drawing 300 watts with 1070 performances? What does this mean for the RX? Is it going to draw more power for more performance? Or less power and perform like shit? When is your software team going to release those magical "40% performance increase" drivers? ANSWER ME RAJA. TELL ME WHY IS RTG SO INCOMPETENT?

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>>61224299

>>61224222
>freesync monitor they want to use
This. The only reason I went with a 560 in my build is because I already had a freesync monitor that I got cheap from a friend. Also I'm a poorfag but it does what I need it o.

>>61224317
>Needs to go back all the way to the 58xx gen to find benchmarks
I said past few gens Raja. Stop coasting on the 58xx success. There is only so many times you can re-release 6870 before people catch on to your tricks.

>>61224337
Do you really need a GPU now? Like emergency now? If the answer is no, just wait patiently for the GPU bubble to pop and you will get a 2nd hand 580 for the price of a 560 now.

>>61224298
Probably a fury x.

Is there a good video analysis of R1600's gaming performance (akin to DF)? I can't find anything but trashy YT videos and dry benchmarks

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>>61224342
Wow look at that 780 ti, glad i got the 290x instead

>>61224361
What resolution? Gaming perf is still largely dependent on GPU.

So not really a pc build question but my 10 year old logi g15 keyboard just took a dump. What is a solid replacement keyboard I don't want anything fancy just wired.

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>>61224366
Really dodged a bullet there

>>61224396
What is the purpose of this post?

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What think? Tips I haven't built a PC in 5 years, and the one I built (the thing I'm on now) has been a mess since first assembly, and it's finally dying)

Budget: 2k.

Play games like Fallout 4, Elite Dangerous, Rainbow Six Seige, ect.

Goal for build improvements: Better performance/stability (My current built computer is a POS because I skimped on the MOBO and it all wasn't 100% compatable) I built this list about 4 months ago and while I'm confident in it, I'd love feedback.

>>61224446
Please stop shitting up this thread, you aren't contributing in any way.

>>61224348
Yeah, but who know when that will happen. I mean, I know that most ex-mining cards will be perfectly usable and all but I'd rather buy new.

Still, I've been patient for five years and I finally got some spending money. Fuck waiting. I know I'm not getting the best deal.

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>>61224460
Are you?

If I am used to the r9 270x will the 1060 6gb be good enough for me? I want to build a new PC but I don't know if I want to spend much more than 1k on it.

guys I have cancer

>>61224475
dont buy gpu's right now

>>61224472
I am, but that's not related. You're straight up shitting up the thread instead of contributing or even not contributing which would be fine on it's own.

>>61224495
So I should just wait to build my PC then? Well shit.

>>61224261
God dammit, I'm glad I caught this. I accidentally picked the regular version of the card that's coming out, not the Xtreme. And it's not on PC parts picker yet, so I'm just fucking lost.

Why do people buy non-frameless monitors?

Frameless monitors are just so much better.

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I bought a used hard drive. Should I be worried about this?

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Will pic related work with this build?

>>61224261

I may have fucked up royal.

How about this.
More back in for for the 560.

>already have case and hard drive

This is the build.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bJKyNN

This would be a second pc to have at my house for land.

Just don't wanna waste the old pc parts

>>61224619
Sure. Why wouldn't it?

>>61224261
EVGA 550W G3 80+ Gold is cheaper by about $20.

You can get the Samsung 960 Evo NVMe 250 GB for a little less and it's faster: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147593

is the r9 270x capable of freesync?

>>61224655
I dunno, I just can't seem to find anything on the card, mostly because it hasn't released yet. At least Amazon has a good return policy if it doesn't work out.

>>61224738
No.

>>61224453
I'd consider a Ryzen 7 1700/1700X build rather than a 6700K. If you don't need 100 fps+ at 1080p then it's not going to be better at gaming.

Gelid GC Extreme and Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut are superior to MX-4 but it's not a huge deal. If you already have MX-4 then don't bother switching but if not then you might as well get one of those.

Typically you want to get a 32GB kit if you want that much memory. It matters less with Intel builds but AMD builds are more sensitive to memory and having unmatched kits might result in worse timings. Of course it may just work out fine.

You absolutely do not need a 1000W PSU for that build. Unless you intend to get 2 1080 Tis in the future you'll be just fine with 650W.

>>61224564
Nah not really unless you're using this as an archive/cold storage drive.

>>61224810
I'm using it to archive videos.

>>61224787

Thanks for the feedback!
Every 4-5 years when i build a new comp, I have to relearn everything. What's a "32GB Kit"?

>>61224453
>>61224787
Also, go to Kinguin to get a cheap OEM license. You can usually get one for $20-30.

>>61224831
32GB kit refers to the size of the matched memory modules you're buying as a set. So in your build you have 2x 16GB sets that are only matched as pairs. Instead, you would probably want to get a 4x8GB matched set. The price shouldn't be very different in most cases unless they are difficult to match.

>>61224828
Some cause for concern then, run some integrity tests on it and see if passes your muster.

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>>61224505

Rate my pc build.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3LtcsJ

>>61224453
>>61224787

Hey it's me again, gotta say, I've new to PC Part Picker and so far I'm loving it.

But at the end of my list it notifies me that my MOBA (maximus ix code) has usb3.0 onboard header, and my selected tower doesn't have a panel for front end usb3.0 ports. That's a super nifty feature for them to include, and I just wonder, is there away of finding towers that have specific ports and such? I also have a tab open for newegg, and no such luck there for that specific of organization. I mean, if I get a MOBA with these cool features, I'm gonna want to use them...

>>61225047
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3LtcsJ
>800
>pentium
just fucking no

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Zxywbj

>>61224646
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bJKyNN
nigger you need a new cpu

>>61225099
You can try sites like Newegg and see if they have filters for that kind of thing. Also typically the newer the case the more likely it will have newer standards like that. If you want some more cases to look at, consider cases from Phanteks and NZXT.

>>61225099
Go to the case section page on the left there should be checkboxes asking if you want a case with USB 3.0.

>>61225122
Best one that will fit my board. I need a LGA775

I have monitor speakers currently attached to a shitty amp I bought. I currently use a ghetto USB adapter to hookup my headphones to my PC and switch devices in the settings. It sounds like shit.

Is there an external amp/power/supply thing that I can plug in my headphones too as well?

Not sure what to search for.

>>61225283
LGA775 is really old at this point, I'm pretty sure it will choke on newer games. You'd be better off with a G4560 or something similar but you'd need a new board. If that's not an option then I guess you're set.

>>61225283
You should at least go for a quad core.

>>61225284
Plug in the monitor or get a wireless headphone.

>>61224646
You can buy used i3 computers for less than $200 on ebay.

>>61225283
then get a new board dumbfuck

>>61222261
That pirated Windows gets me everytime

>>61222261
>tfw was planning to buy my first gaming pc
>tfw fucking miners screw me hard because of gpu hoarding

>>61223942
>having multiple monitors and headphones makes me cool
you people are insufferable. how much did you spend on those things? few hundred? waste of fucking money get a real sound system.

Also talking about iq while you browse 4chan all day shows your age, what are you fucking 10? fucking cucks in this place i swear.

>>61225751
Yeah it sucks but you can still get a 1050 Ti or a used 980 Ti or something similar until the prices normalize

Should I get a curved monitor? I mainly browse internet and watch videos. I game maybe once or twice a month

So far, this is what I'm thinking of getting. Any advice is welcome
Curved: Dell U3417W
Flat:Dell P2715Q

>>61226054
Go see one in person and you'll know if it's worth it. I'll probably get one for my office at some point since I don't need high refresh rates and it's great for productivity

Looking for some good atx cases for water cooling. I had been considering the Enthoo Evolv, but I heard it has some major airflow problems. Anybody have experience with Corsair's Obsidian series? Any other suggestions? I'd prefer a nice big window on the side, and if it's on the quieter side, that would be great.

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>>61225806
>used nvidia
fuck no

>>61226312
Used nvidia has less mining value, tardo

>>61226312
Yeah I will go buy a 290x right now.
Oh wait. They are fucking going for 1060 prices at the moment. How do I know? I sold my 290x for 250 USD and I still felt I got cheated despite it being 3 years old and out of warranty

>>61222261
Is that the kid that made the bomb clock so the media would pick him up so his dad could push this islamist agenda?

>>61226507
Yes. Reddit's superstar.

Only available cards locally are a 660 for $50 or a 460 for $100. What's the better option?

>>61226518
>tfw you were born white instead of as a longnecked haji and will never have hordes of white guilt ridden redditors to leap to your defense
feels 2017 man

>>61226549
What? GTX660 and 460?
Where the fuck do you stay in?

>>61226555
> will never have hordes of white guilt ridden redditors donate money to you and have the president invite you to the white house
FTFY

>>61226560
>Where the fuck do you stay in?
Middle of nowhere.

>>61226549
They're pretty equal so go with the cheaper one.

>>61226579
didnt elbow musky offer him a job too?

>>61226623
No idea but Musk is a moron when it comes to social interactions anyway.

>>61226589
With no shipping? What? Isle of Man?

>>61226518
I will never understand why people feel the need to defend the rights and privileges of a race or protected group they dont belong to. Why the fuck would it support caring about rights that I dont get?

>>61226644
Oppression Olympics points that can be exchanged for feminist pussy. Or at least that is what those morons are led to believe.

>>61226664
I've genuinely never seen a really attractive feminist though. Its not that hard to swing pussy are there really dudes that dickless that they have to sacrifice basic common sense and masculinity to get off? Fuck this planet

>>61226643
Just looking at a stand in card for a friend's build until the market settles down, figured I'd get a better deal going for a local used gpu.

>>61226684
Have you heard of the name Anthony Burch?

>>61226685
What is your CPU at the moment?
You might be better served to get a 2nd hand haswell with iGPU over just a GPU.

>>61226427
>They are fucking going for 1060 prices at the moment
and they are more powerful, whats your point

>>61226684
If you're in college then there should be plenty of hot leftist bitches but they usually stop caring about social justice at some point. I know several that became disillusioned with it in their early to mid twenties.

>>61226722
I go to a tech school so its all fat/disabled chicks so I have to go off campus for decent gash, maybe thats whats skewing my perception

>>61226702
It's a new build and he doesn't have any spare parts. Wants to go Ryzen so a gpu is necessary.

>>61226721
http://hwbench.com/vgas/geforce-gtx-1060-vs-radeon-r9-290x

Lmao no. Not only are they louder and hotter. Most of them are also out of warranty so if your card breaks, well that is 250 dollar paperweight you just bought.

>>61226735
Yeah probably out of luck then, m8.

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I need a new computer case,can anyone tell me of a case that fits this criteria

>6x 3.5in drive bays or more
>at least one 5.25 in drive bays
>space for a 140 mm radiator
>space for a 280 mm radiator
>E-ATX mobo support
>somewhat watercooling friendly

any ideas /pcbg/?

>>61226750
I bet if you OC the dick out of the 290X it will match the 1060 but it'll be much hotter/louder.

>>61226722
>became disillusioned with it in their early to mid twenties.
How many of them became single mother's to Jamal's kid? I am not kidding btw. I am in my late 20s and all the hottest girls from high school are single mothers. What the fuck.

>>61226758
Phanteks Enthoo Primo

>>61226759
Sure. So you have a 250 dollar GPU that is out of warranty, runs hotter and louder and equals a brand new 1060 if OC'd. Yeah. What was my point again? Yeah. Good luck when you buy a 290x.

>>61226750
>benchmark sites
are you trolling or are you unironically this retarded

>>61226759
>every 290x in existence is a reference blower
(you)

>>61226764
None of the ones I know of, all of them married well if I recall although that happened later.

>>61226776
>over 200 clapcredits
no

>>61226782
Feel free to give contrary evidence that 290x performs better than the 1060. That is the only benches I can find because no one is going to bench a 1 year old card vs a 4 year old card. If not, shut your trap because all I see is whining.

>>61226782
They're still hotter and louder than a 1060, Jamal.

>>61226797
Didn't specify a budget, retard.

>>61226755
there are some of them like Sarkeesian and lacy greene that I would turn out but not really because I find them attractive more because it would be rewarding to take a chick who's all about women's empowerment and make her do filthy degrading things. Maybe thats part of it idk/

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>>61226801
>cant prove his own point with an actual benchmark
Meanwhile in reality a gimped/overclocked 290x (390) rapes the 1060

>>61226805
i guarantee you my 290x is quieter than any production 1060, i have access to both gpus and can tell you first hand that my 290x IS quieter than a msi 1060

>>61226824
>290x already hot and loud
>Lets OC it to be hotter and louder
>It has no warranty
>Surely that 10 FPS increase over 1060 is worth the money
Fucking moron.

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>>61226824
>15-25% faster
>margin of error
go to bed pajeet

>>61226837
No. 290x is fucking loud and hot. I own one and I know it. 2nd hottest and loudest card I owned. 1st being the 5870. It was a sapphire tri-x as well. Please stop being a stupid AMD shill. I will even post a picture of it if it makes you stop saying stupid shit.

>>61226851
My 290x makes exactly 0 sound

>>61226869
Because you don't own one.

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Building a Ryzen 5 1600 GTX 1070 PC.

Is it worth spending a little extra to get 3200MHz ram? If so does it matter which brand of RAM I buy? I heard something about how Samsung B-Die ram is more reliably able to hit 3200MHz? How hard is it to overclock RAM (never done it before)? Recommend me RAM plz

heard good things about pic related but its super expensive in my country

>>61226867
mine never gets over 55c, my 4790k runs hotter, once again keep lying """""""""""amd""""""""""""" user

>>61226837
Post test results with sound pressure measurements or there is no reason to believe you. It's well known how hot (and consequently loud) the 290X's can get especially when OC'd.

>>61226877
i own 2

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May i have enought for ~ 50 vm ?

>>61226878
Ryzen is pretty picky about RAM, definitely consult the mobo's QVL for compatibility. But yes, getting higher frequency RAM does help with many things but you would be ok with even 2666.

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>>61226882
Yeah. This 290x is clearly a fake then. Fucking moron.

>>61226889
Watercooling doesn't generally make sound dumbass, keep being mad that a watercooled 290x is still cheaper, quieter, and faster than a 1060

>>61226908
>no timestamp
>some random gpu
2/10

>>61226914
>My watercooled 290x beats a 1060
>This is why you should buy a 2nd 290x over a new 1060
LMAO

>>61226930
tell me where i can get a $170 1060 that has better performance than a 290x, its kindof like a unicorn because it isn't fucking real

>>61226923
Keep crying. No way to get a timestamp now considering I already sold my 290x for 250 USD. But hey, if you refuse to believe, that is on you. I have no reason to lie.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CkHd7h

Is this ok for gaming at ~1500$? Have a laptop but it's from 2010 or so.

Should I get a different monitor/gpu?

>>61226914
Are you seriously talking about a watercooled 290X this whole time? Confirmed for being a fucking retard, good job wasting everyone's time.

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>>61222261
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VcGs7h
system is used mostly for video editing and music production, what is marked as purchased is the system as it stands right now
Most of this is storage upgrade, yes, I know the mx300 is a m.2, with that case it makes a big difference not having the 2.5 drive, and it's only 2 dollars more, and I know it will function as sata so i really could give a shit
the nvme will be for a scratch disk as well as storing virtual instrument libraries
any suggestions?

>>61226943
Tell me where can I get a 2nd hand 290x for 170.

>>61226946
Im not the one crying, im enjoying great performance on a gpu $100 cheaper and 15-25% faster than a 1060

>>61226957
Good luck finding a reasonably priced 580.

>>61226963
where i did, ebay

>>61226957
Check the QVL and make sure that memory works with your mobo. Also AS5 is pretty shitty, go with Gelid GC Extreme, Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut or even Arctic MX4.

>>61226967
Nah you are crying because you are a fucking moron and got told off because you think buying a 250 dollar 2nd hand GPU with no warranty is a good idea.

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>nvidiots cant accept that a 5 year old amd gpu btfos the 1060
SAD

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>>61226978
Maybe pre GPU mining crisis. Definitely not fucking post.

>>61226957
switch out that mobo for a msi tomahawk, better vrm design
i would go with arctic mx-4 not arctic silver
just get rid of that sickle flow fan, they arent even worth 5 bucks

>>61226994
>when watercooled and OC'd
>B-BTF-FO!

kys, seriously

I have nothing against AMD but this level of butt sniffery is obnoxious

>>61226994
Poor volta

>>61226986
it was $170 actually

>>61227001
not my fault you suck at browsing ebay, just like you suck at everything else in life

>>61227006
>being this mad about a 5 year old gpu
i swear the 290x has caused more butthurt on this board than any other gpu in history

>>61227011
My little anon cannot be this fucking buttttthurrttttt.

>>61227019
Only for 3 more weeks.
Then we get Vega.
POOR VOLTA.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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>>61227027
>REEEEEEEEEEE why doesn't my 1060 outperform the 290x
calm yourself sweetie

>>61227019
Hell, I bet you could cool it with liquid helium and beat a 1070! Better get on that and post about it on your blog.

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how does this look for a budget general use PC?
can change things to AMD

>>61227034
>moving the goalpost
someones mad

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>>61227046
>these vendors

Switch to Ryzen and we'll talk

>>61227046
>i5
just no, fix that shit

>>61227038
>Still missing the point
Congrats anon. You have autism. Okay lets go over this again.
A 2nd hand 290x is out warranty, runs hotter and louder and is priced the same (it is not 170 you imbecile) as the 1060.
I have actually found some real benchmarks and not pseudo benchmarks vs the 390.
http://www.babeltechreviews.com/rx-480-vs-290x-vs-gtx-1060-amd-neglected-hawaii-35-games-benchmarked/view-all/
And really they perform around the same for some games while 1060 beats the 290x in others.
So really you have to be a huge moron to buy a 2nd hand 290x in the current GPU market.

>>61227042
calm your autism sweetie, its ok that the 290x>1060

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>>61222887
>buying W10

Not bad, have you considered the Ryzen 5 1600? It might be a good, possibly cheaper alternative. If you get a Ryzen I suggest a B350 motherboard. It comes with a stock cooler as well.

750W PSU might be overkill unless you plan on 2 GPU's. I recommend a 550W.

Also nice SSD, might have to go get one myself.

>>61227056
>>61227058
i have 0 experience with anything AMD, what is the equivalent ryzen to an i5-7500?

>>61227069
>You have autism
>posts a paragraph claiming how much the 1060 is better then the 290x using some gold metal Olympics tier mental gymnastics
im afraid you are the one here with autism sweetie

>>61227070
Watercooled 1060 would beat a 290X though so what is the point?

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>>61222338
Its rumored that despite the ETH devs claiming that it has anti-ASIC features the only thing preventing people from making ASIC miners is that SoC is about to be added to ETH which would make any ASIC they made pointless
Meaning as soon as ETH adds SoC and the first ASIC miner for ETH is made, GPU mining will immediately become unviable and miners will try to liquidate all their GPUs to buy the ASIC miners
So watch for news of ETH adding SoC, because not too long after that you should be able to buy some second hand GPUs from miners dirt cheap

By my own unsourced estimations I think that you'll be able to buy RX 580s for $150 or less from miners

>>61227078
price wise, r5 1600
performance wise, r5 1400

>>61227087
Regardless of what a moron like you say buying a 2nd hand GPU with no warranty for 250 is still fucking stupid. Your made up performance difference isn't even worth the risk of getting a 250 dollar paper weight. KYS moron.

>>61227094
good luck finding one of those for 170 sweetie

>>61227096
Isn't ETH moving to PoS which who invalidate all mining rigs?

>>61226973
Not planning to actually buy until mid-late november. Surely gpu prices will be back to normal by then right?

>>61226983
Changed the Thermal paste and just went ahead and got a different set of memory.

>>61227002
Thanks, did both.

>>61227110
Where do you get a waterblock and a 290X for $170?

>>61227105
>but muh warranty
>but muh 250
autism

>>61227110
>$170according to anon who made up claims
>290x is better performance according to anon who made up claims
WOW

>>61227112
>>61227096
that is correct, although there is no set date. when first announced eth was already supposed to be POS by now, now the "target" is late 2017-2018
eth is about as good as RTG on delivering on due dates

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>>61227101
i'm guessing the 1600 is better than the 1400

>>61227119
E B A Y
B
A
Y

>>61227120
This is what happens when you blow the fuck out of someone so hard with actual backed up stats.

>>61227129
Yessir, get the 1600 if you can afford it but go with the 1400 if you really don't need it.

>>61227122
>made up
see >>61226824
1060 a shit, just accept it pajeet

>>61227133
Post a link

>>61227133
Here we go again. I have seen this story many times.

>Anon makes false claims
>Prove it
>GOOGLE IT
>Doesn't turn up on Google
>Well you are not googling hard enough
>Give us the link then
>No I am not spoonfeeding you

Watch the entire conversation play out exactly like that

>>61227144
i already bought it like a month ago :^)

>>61227142
I don't see 290x on the list moron. In return have this actual site which benched 35 games with the actual card instead of the 390.

http://www.babeltechreviews.com/rx-480-vs-290x-vs-gtx-1060-amd-neglected-hawaii-35-games-benchmarked/view-all/

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>>61227154
>this graph some anon posted last week still makes people mad
wew do you exist solely to rage on the internet

>>61227156
So you are telling an anon to buy a 2nd hand 290x today with prices from months ago? What?

>>61227169
Not even the guy who was arguing with you. I am just saying what happens whenever someone refuses to post the actual link and instead tell people to google it. Must have affected you quite deeply if such a post stings.

>>61227161
and the 290x is still faster in every single game worth mentioning, way to prove my point mong

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>>61227184
>being THIS mad that you bring up some autism chart from 2 weeks ago
you're broken

>>61227189
>Moving the goalpost
LMAO. How many times must you do it? lets see.
>It runs quite cause it is watercooled
>It runs better in games worth playing
>It is 170 dollars months ago
Oh my.

>>61227171
i never told anyone to buy it i just said it had significantly better performance, stop strawmaning me

>>61227202
Mental gymnastics: the post

>>61227206
>Don't buy used Nvidia
>Post image showing 290x
>>61226312
:thinking:

>>61227197
You are the one that posted the autism image. Not me. I am just saying what happens everything some stupid anon says google it. Don't project your autism onto me. I am merely describing what happens.

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>>61227217
(you)

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>>61227226
you are the autistic one here sweetie

>>61227227
See this is what happens when an AMD gets so utterly blown the fuck out by actual benchmarks. Hey. Maybe next time try shilling Ryzen instead. Those you can brag about.

>>61227189
Except it's not, they're often within 2-3 FPS and sometimes one is ahead of the other but usually it's in a game that is biased toward either AMD or NVIDIA. I don't see any clear winner here.

>>61227237
AMD shills are all mentally ill. This is a fact.

>>61227237
FYI the one that calls other people "sweetie" is the one losing.

>>61227242
Shhh don't encourage him you moron. He is currently throwing a bitch fit after being forced to backpedal this much.

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>>61227238
>>61227253
>>61227259

>>61227096
>>61227112
>>61227127
Fuck I dont how I confused POS with SoC
Its too late for this shit

>>61227274
Yes we're aware you have autism, please put on your hat and sit in the corner, lad.

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>>61227263
>>61227259
>>61227253
>>61227242
>>61227238
Nvidiots have a tendency to chimp out at anything that disagrees with them

Whelp. Another thread utterly derailed because some AMD shill can't handle certain aspects of their products being inferior. I swear being an AMD fanboy is a mental illness. I will be proven right in 3 weeks when Vega is released. I look forward to the excuses. Already r/amd is on suicide watch after that Aoredtv. Can't wait for the shills on /pcbg/ reactions.

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>>61227300

>>61227294
You're the one chimping out calling everyone "sweetie" and autistic.

>>61227294
>Nvidiots have a tendency to chimp out at anything that disagrees with them
Except they are they ones posting actual benchmarks in this thread and not pseudo cherrypicked one with 390 as stand-ins and then backpedaling and saying it is better in games that matter.

>>61227321
calm down sweetie

>>61227317
Pretty sure that says Intel and not Nvidia.

>>61227324
>ubishit games are all that matters
sure they do shill

cant wait for the inevitable bankruptcy and EA buyout because no one care about ubishit

>>61227339
I refuse to buy Ubisoft games now, hopefully they do go under.

NEW THREAD
>>61227352
>>61227352
>>61227352

Move when needed

>>61227339
>Being this butthurt
Oh what happened to your bold claims here?
>>61226967
>Im not the one crying, im enjoying great performance on a gpu $100 cheaper (months ago) and 15-25% faster than a 1060 (not true)

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>>61227363

>>61227363
Calm your gynecomastia tits sweetie

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Hi guys,
~1k budget here, I'm mostly using this for 3D graphics work and Unity development as well as some auto CAD for engineering.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8JpcsJ

>>total is 850$ build, so I can throw in around 200$ for improvements!

Ofc, SSD is optional and so is the wifi receiver.
Is this good bros?
Could I throw in an extra 200$ on something?

Critique pls. First build.

>>61227390
its shit

>>61227390
get a ryzen 1600x instead

>>61227390
Your total doesn't count the gtx 1060 so it's really over $1000

>>61222397
Only get FE if you can't possibly afford aftermarket, or if your case has terrible airflow and you're building a tiny itx build

>>61222852
It's worth it for 144hz

>>61222983
The most expensive one you can afford

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>>61225798
>sound system
>still can't grasp the value of those items
>unironically calling others cucks for not being retarded
>unironically using "i swear"
>reddit spacing
That's some major autism.