/hpg/ - Headphone General

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1st for best memephones

nice pic OP

but next time change that filename to something else onegaichimasu

I want the most neutral headphones under £1000, so it doesn't distort the music from its original sounds

>>60935296
HD600

>>60935296
hd600 :^)

>>60935302
>>60935309
thanks, if it need an amp for this headphone which one should I get? it also has to be under £1000 but i want my music to sound very good and non coloured

>>60935330
magni/modi 2 or NFB-11

>>60935330
>neutral headphones
HD600 hands off.
>amp/dac
With your budget, I'd look at Modi2Uber + Magni2Uber or Jotunheim.

>>60935419
how does it compared to the o2?

>>60935497
o2 is open hardware.
schiitstack/jotunheim win at everything else.

>>60935542
What do you mean open hardware?

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do these headphones really have the best combination of sound quality and noise cancelling for a pair of wireless headphones?
https://www.theverge.com/2017/2/13/14595356/

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>>60935734
>wireless
>active noise canceling

>>60935783
Just got $25 Phillips that reduce the fans at work to a whisper and sound very good for the price, I can imagine a more expensive pair of Sony's will cancel out outside noise even better and sound better, if not bassier.

What's the best set of cans I can get for outside use/traveling for $150 ? Good build and comfort being a huge plus.

>>60935817
>and sound very good for the price
If you say so.

>>60935922
I mean, I own X2's and I can totally compromise with them since they're so portable and cancel out shit at work

>>60935148
Watch out anon, you'll trigger the "Watch out for TrustyFucks(tm)" meme guy.

>>60935563
O2's made with parts anyone can get and build together.

what would be the most neutral planar headphones?

I'm looking for a nice pair of 100-150$ headphones
I'm mostly looking to play games / listen to music
I'd prefer to not have to buy an amp for them

>>60935083
thank you for non lewd op image

>still using Monoprice headphones 8 years later

>>60936675
HD558; they're discontinued but much cheaper than they used to be. They used to be $150. They sound virtually the same as the HD598.

>>60936716
I appreciate the input, I'm not sure how bad the sound "leakage" (I guess?) would be with them, do you have another suggestion for a closed back pair of headphones?

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What is /hpg/'s choice between:

HD280

ATH-M40x

MDR-7506

MDR-7510

Shure SRH840

?

>>60936777
You won't find any great sounding closed headphones in your price range. I guess MDR-V6 or MDR-7506. Maybe ATH-M50x if you want niggabass.

>>60936867
Of those
M40X Portable
7506 Home
>>60936777
XPT100

>>60936716
>>60936924
I did a little research on both as well as my current pair and decided that I should get a pair of HD 558 s. I'm interested in getting your opinions on refurbished ones though, or should I just spend a little extra and buy them new?

>>60935905
help

>>60935905
Custom One Pro/Custom Studio?

>>60937127
Just buy them new. They're under $100 in a lot of places right now and they're a steal at that price. You'd have to buy an HD600 to get a significantly more neutral headphone.

>>60937476
That's fair, I'll buy them in the morning. I appreciate the advice.

>>60937457
What's the difference between the two?

>>60937127
Amazon has "like new" HD558 for around $65 that should be fine. Up to you if you'd rather have one with the retail packaging.

>>60937646
Custom Studio uses the DT770 80 Ohm driver. Custom One Pro uses an inferior driver therefire sounds worse though is more efficient. Both have the same features.

>>60937736
Do they sound better than MSR7s?

>>60935083
>be me
>go to /g/ from space computer
>see hpg
>think I can learn Comstar's wisdom
>it's about headphones

damn

>>60937780
MSR7's are bright, these are V-Shaped. Depends on what you want.

>>60935296
HD800 with EQ, you can EQ them to whatever liking you want and unlike HD600 if you bump up the bass, and you will need to do it less, they won't distort as much. Also they are comfier than HD600 and fixate nicely on your head, so unlike HD600 they won't change sound as you position them around your head.

>>60921094
Yes, I'd say the NFB-11 is the better value. I love mine. Sorry I didn't reply sooner.

>>60937875
>spend $1000
>just EQ it anyways
What an absurd waste of money.

>>60937875
>>60938101
You can literally make $10 IEMs neutral without noticeable bass distortion with EQ. Spending $1000 on a headphone just to EQ it to neutrality is the dumbest fucking thing I think I've ever read on 4chan.
Spending that kind of money for the convenience of not having to do advanced EQing, a process which takes learning, time and effort? Great. Spending that kind of money for a result that'll sound pretty much the same if it would if you did it to $10 IEMs? Absolute lunacy.
>in b4 poorfag
I'm correct.

>>60938146
You are one of thous guys that think he can EQ his 10$ shit memephones into utopia right? Proves me correct, theorising poorfags that never had experience with real stuff really shit their bed.

>Budget
Around 100$, but can go a little over
>Location
USA
>Source
See bottom
>Type of headphone
IEMS
>Comfort level
Comfortable enough to wear for multiple hours in a row, but without sacrificing sound quality.
>Sound signature
I think neutral would be a good fit, but I'm not really sure. Listen to Hip-Hop, Rock, Synthwave, Chiptune, and many others.

Planning on getting a Fiio X5, but I've never bought a real music player before and I don't know if it's worth it. Would very much appreciate opinions on this.

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Are the HD518's the best for value in the *HD500* range?

Is this good advice?

HD 598s underwhelming as fuck even with an amp and DAC, PLEASE DON'T FALL FOR THIS MEME

>>60937875
>bumping up bass instead of lowering everything else
Fucking retard, are you Unironically EQing HD800 to sound like walmart headphones?

>>60938817
558*

>>60938854
598s is an old meme. The new meme is the HD600.

Why does well mastered music sound good on all types of equipment but poorly mastered music it's a bit more difficult to make it sound good?

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Not directly related to headphones but whatever. I'm moving out of my parent's house and I will have less space for my audio shit. Therefore, I want to know which one of the pictured setup is the best (or rather, less bad) ?

The speakers are Eltax Monitor III's and are hooked up to a Yamaha A-S301.
Do keep in mind that if I go with a wall mounts setup, I'll lose some bass since the woofer is located at the bottom of the speakers (the official mounts don't get in the way of the woofers but they're pretty expensive and can only be oriented left/right).

>>60939267
Well the thing is, no matter how good your hardware is, an awful master will ruin the song.

>>60939427
How far is your listening position away from the speakers?

>>60939460
Not very far, something like 60cm?

>>60935330
You're going to have to use equalization if you truly want neutral sound power. HD 600 is a pretty good model for being relatively neutral sounding out of the box. Listening to music which was mastered for loudspeakers through headphones is always going to be colored.

>>60938146
Well given the facts that there are no headphones with ideal response and that you can equalize any decent pair of headphones into one another, the criteria of the ideal headphone changes to something else than absolute sound quality. It comes down to other factors like response consistency and quality control, subjective ideas of comfort, isolation, form factor, portability etc. I can see HD 800 being great at many things but I don't think recommending it blindly just because you can EQ it makes much sense.

>>60938283
Your never ending rambling of that is proof of nothing.

>>60935734
They're pretty decent.

>>60936255
LCD-1 but since those aren't in production, MrSpeakers Ether.

Prove you can EQ headphones to sound exactly identical. Not prove it can be done, prove YOU can do it.

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>>60939427
>>60939540
Diff anon, but the "ideal" is to form an equilateral triangle with your speakers facing towards you.
Distance between you and each speaker (and speaker to speaker) should be approximately 3', or 91 cm.
The tweeter should be at ear level in height.

>ordered a Fulla 2 last night

This better not be another fucking meme

>>60939741
it is
get scammed nerd

>>60939720
>exactly identical
Sounding exactly identical? A claim that was never made.

>prove YOU can do it
I can't, obviously. I could break out a mic and start measuring headphones while fiddling around with an equalizer. Chances are I would be able to match the plots after some time but that does not translate into them sounding identical. Reseat the headphone and the process would start again.

Why mimic another headphone in the first place? Surely you can much better than copy some existing design.

>>60939741
>meme
The next thing you say you are hoping for audible improvements.

>>60939843
Prove you can EQ headphones to sound 95% identical. Not prove it can be done, prove YOU can do it.

>>60939837
>>60939843
So if the Fulla 2 is a meme, what should I buy instead?

>>60939866
nfb 11

>>60939855
I could try it with some Chink in ears. Going to be troublesome past 8 KHz. What constitutes as proof for you?

>>60939866
>meme
Form a proper question and without the meme word. If you don't know how to do that, explain what do you want. If you are just looking for a device to drive headphones:

>Amplifier/DAC checklist:
-Is it too quiet?
-Is the output impedance too high (resulting effect fixable by equalization)?
-Is there noise/EMI or hiss to it?
-Does it sound distorted as you start to crank up the volume?
If the answer is no, don't get one.

Now if you still feel like you want a device you need to explain your needs.

>>60939899
>I could try it with some Chink in ears. Going to be troublesome past 8 KHz. What constitutes as proof for you?

Measurements.

>>60939899
I have to turn my laptop's output to 80% to drive my headphones at a reasonable volume and it doesn't sound good.

>>60939909
I'll make a coupler and start fiddling. Might take a while.

>>60939911
Fulla 2 is great then.

>>60939930
>Might take a while.
I'll wait. Let me know once you realized you can't do it.

>>60939938
High Q modal resonances are a problem I probably can't fix. The rest depends on how much gain I have at hand(should be plenty for in ears) and how decent these sub 10 dollar in ears are. I know some of them are good as I've measured them before.

You should realize by now that measurements like these aren't proof of audibility. That has to be tested on human ears which poses numerous issues.

>>60939965
So basically, you can't do it. Oh well.

Another good point your post makes: high Q modal resonances. Good job figuring that out that what makes a headphone good isn't its "neutrality", but its FR smoothness.

>>60939991
>you can't do it.
>you can't do it.
What happened to your "95%"? What happened to wanting to see proof?

> Good job figuring that out that what makes a headphone good isn't its "neutrality", but its FR smoothness.
General preference is FR neutrality, extension and smoothness. Not a single one of these alone.

High Q is hard(er) to fix and less audible. Depends on the magnitude of the peak too of course.

>>60940030
If you can provide proof, sure. But I'm betting you can't.

>neutrality and extension
But that can be EQ'd. So it doesn't count. Wow!

>>60940050
Neutrality/smoothness are both just about the spectral balance of the FR. It's precisely the thing which can be equalized. Extension is can't but again that's something nobody ever claimed to be. I doubt that even these cheap things won't be limited in bandwidth so no worries there anon.

>>60940084
But like you said prior, it's much harder to equalize out high Q peaks and dips. Meanwhile adjusting overall tonal balance is relatively easy.

>>60940103
Harder, not impossible. Even modal resonances can be equalized out but only on one insertion as they shift on insertion depth. The only thing which can't be fixed even in theory using EQ is a null.

>>60940119
>Harder, not impossible.
Can YOU do it? That was the whole point of me asking for proof. Cause if you claim that a problem doesn't matter, and you can't fix it yourself. Well, that doesn't look very good, does it?

>>60940135
>Can YOU do it?
That's what I'm about to find out soon. Need to calibrate REW first.

>>60940142
>he doesn't even know if he can or can't do it and yet he's on the internet telling people what they should think
That's funny. But anyways, I look forward to seeing you find out just how "hard but not impossible" it is.

Is a Sennheiser HD598SR for €158 worth it? German Amazon has a promo atm but Italian Amazon has a lowest price of €130.
Should i wait getting a pair of cans or isn't there going to be a sale anytime soon?

>>60940153
>>he doesn't even know if he can or can't do it and yet he's on the internet telling people what they should think
What.

What a lovely conversation anon. I'm out. Will report back with some data(hopefully).

>>60940183
Take your time.

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I bought the MSR7 after being recommended them here and reading additional reviews and they came today.
FUCK. These are excellent. These are the go to option for portable closed back headphones under 200, fuck the rest.
>tfw made in china
Those semitic nips outsourcing work to chinkland..

Where do you go to find the high quality headphones in a brick and mortar shop? I've never listened to a good pair but really want to try them out to see what I'm missing. We have jack shit for electronics/music shops where I live.

>Budget
50$, I have only owned cheap 20$ headphones until now, so i guess that would already make a big difference
>Location
Switzerland
>Source
old Samsung, maybe iphone 6s in the future
>Type of headphone
i prefer in ear, because its more practical, it doesnt matter that much though
>Comfort level
very important
>Sound signature
I listen to a lot of different genres, maybe mostly to classical music and old german songs,

>>60940443
Porta Pros. $50 isn't going to get you much of an upgrade.

How do the k702 and k712 compare?

>>60935148
What earpads are those?

>>60940183
What's the ETA?

>>60940505
K712 has better pads. You can basically put K712 earpads on K702 and they'll sound pretty much the same.

The bass in K712 is punchier and more present in most songs, the mids also sound warmer, and it rounds out and slight sibilance in the upper mids/treble area. Overall, the K712 sounds "fuller" across the spectrum.

Due to the fuller sound, the soundstage in K712 sounds slightly smaller and less airy, and generally less detailed than the K702. But they're only VERY slightly, you prolly won't be able to tell the difference without a/b testing it..

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>>60941022
I've worked on a one cheap pair which I think is enough. It's no name brand, full plastic construction, bassy. I'm flattening the response, removing coloration as well as I can. Just starting with the tricky stuff now. Pic related is the original vs how it is after equalization. Flat within +-0.1 dB for the most part and infrasonic bass extension. My measurement setup has an error margin around the +-0.1 dB tolerance in the bass region that's already beyond the limit of audible coloration.

>>60941126
The question is does it sound any good

>>60941126
Are you EQing it to a flat, raw response?

>>60941146
That's another question. This is to try out whether I can make these sub 10 dollar in-ears to match whatever response I want. Sure it could sound "good"(as subjective as that is) but I'm currently destroying the sound by doing this. Already deleted the ~ 3 kHz rise. Flat bass on in-ears sounds very bass light.

Aside from the excessive gain around 100-500 Hz, it already sounded pretty good without any EQ. A little too dark as you would expect.

>>60941175
Yes. Raw response is the bassy one you see. Very typical one for this sort of device. I don't intend to use this EQ for anything else than test purposes.

>>60941224
Can your rig measure CSD, too? Would be interesting to see the "ringing" before and after EQ has been applied.

>>60941300
CSD, FR an IR are just another way to spin the same data around so yes, the rig does measure them all from the same sine sweep tone. REW(Room EQ Wizard) can generate IR, FR and CSD through Fourier Transform. It can also measure harmonic distortion as well as impedance but I don't have the gear for that.

>>60941493
I'm well aware of that.
So in theory, equalizing out a spike with a long decay time would cause the decay time to decrease. It's a common belief that this isn't the case. I'm asking you to provide proof that contradicts this belief since no one else has been willing to do it, at least not directly.

>>60937875
Leaving the EQ aside, aren't the HD800 flawed with some resonance shit?
Fuck no, the cheaper HD600 at least ain't fucked and don't even need EQ.

>>60941753
Yup, the HD 800 is unforunately flawed by design.

The 800S fixes it but it also costs an arm and a leg, 600/650 is a much better choice value-wise from any angle

>>60941805
800S has its own problem. It adds 2nd harmonic distortion in the bass, giving it a louder impression, but it's ultimately not accurate.

>>60941854
Yeah I can definitely hear it's a bit "odd" in the bass, but it's extremely enjoyable to listen to

>>60939427
None. Wall mounts suck for desk use. Get some floor stands or desk stands. Angle the speakers towards you and keep the tweeters at ear level.

>>60935148
whats their downside?

So I was thinking of getting akg k702, and it says they have 62 ohm impedance.
How can I tell whether I need to get an amp or not?
Is there anyway to see how much the motherboard of my computer supplies?

>>60941753
HD800SDR is goat

>>60941945
Colored sound. For people who don't give a fuck about fidelity.

>>60941960
AKG K7xx drivers do well with amplification.
Your mobo may provide enough voltage to it, but without proper amplification, your headphone won't be able to get enough current. i.e., you'll hear enough apparent loudness, but your highs and lows won't be at their proper volumes.

If you'r really set on it, go for it I guess, and look into getting an amp some time in the future.

>>60941998
SDR?

>>60942030
Thanks for the explanation.
What amp would you recommend, just a cheap one or are there other things I should consider?

>>60942011
Fidelity is a meme. Not like you're able to come even close to neutrality with dynamic transducers especially not headphones.

>>60942049
super dupont resonator mod

>>60942060
Why settle for some colored shit, however?
There's options that at least do try.

>>60942056
The meme amp is the O2, never tried it myself but it's popular enough, so can't go that wrong with it.
I personally had a Matrix M-Stage for a few years. It worked pretty well. Can't give you any comparisons since I didn't own any other amps in that price range, but according to reviews, it pairs well with AKGs.

>>60942060
>Not like you're able to come even close to neutrality with dynamic transducers especially not headphones.
The most ridiculous thing I've read here in a while.

>>60942580
>muh planars are superior
>muh earspeakers
Sigh. What a cesspool.

>>60942580
The point is your music is never going to sound 100% the same as it left the studio and most systems already sound good enough so why not IMPROVE on the music by making it sound just the way you like it?

>>60942622
>coloring
>improve
How deluded.

>>60942622
Coloring makes all music sound the same. Bland as fuck. Boring.

>>60942622
What a terrible way to "make a point" and sure, you can try to improve your music all you want but for every song you might fix with your colored system, there are a thousand others you ruin. You can't just stamp on some predetermined response to "fix" music and you can never have the controls on your audio system to even assess all that might be wrong in the recording. That also sounds like a terrible excuse to not care about fidelity at home.

>>60935734
those and the Bose QC35 are your best bet.

>>60941126
Can you do a cheap full sized headphone as well to serve as a comparison?

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>>60941615
A spike in the magnitude response leads into a longer decay time at that frequency. It will work like that in practice if the minimum phase behavior stays. Static CSD plots aren't of much use and with these in-ears there's nothing to look at in them. Pic related is before the EQ.

>>60942748
I don't have one at hand and it would also require me to build a new coupler. In-ears are pretty easy to measure with just a plastic tube.

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>>60941615
>>60943039
And after.

>>60943039
What mic are you using?

Best headset for /gayming/ ?

80€ max

>>60943068
dbxRTA-M

>>60943183
>headset
read the faq

>>60943183
Try to find the HyperX Cloud, but stay away from the Cloud II.

If electrostatic drivers are so good, why are only a few manufacturers using them?

>>60941126
Do you have an Etymotic on hand to measure with that coupler? If so, I'd like to see what it measures like without EQ in your coupler. I could never come up with a coupler design that accurately measured in-ears but I have had great success EQing in-ears to credible measurements online using sine sweeps as a secondary reference.
Also, I have not found that the treble peak locations have shifted enough to make any sort of difference upon repeated insertions, and yes, I've tested this with sine sweeps.

>>60938283
Alls I know is every single pair of headphones I've ever EQ'd ended up sounding exactly the same as my EQ'd speakers, tonally. It's really not that hard.
Frequency response is responsible for 99% of perceived audio quality.

>>60943288
I do have ER-4S/PT as well as Ety Kids. Might take a measurement later in case I can't find the old ones. I'll post them when I get back home.

My sealed silicone tube coupler suffers from too high acoustical impedance which is(sometimes) compensated for on more professional solutions. Basically Etys and BA-driver in ears will start to roll off from 1 kHz and up. They miss the 3 kHz rise by multiple dB. I was able to decently match the roll off by plotting a compensation curve after referencing multiple third party measurements of the same in ears.

>>60943288
>Also, I have not found that the treble peak locations have shifted enough to make any sort of difference upon repeated insertions, and yes, I've tested this with sine sweeps.
I should also add that this has applied to on-ears and over-ears in my observations as well. When I first started EQing headphones I was concerned that high-Q treble peaks would shift locations so much every time I took off and put the headphones back on that it'd make my EQing efforts pointless, but I tested this thoroughly with sine sweeps and never found this to be the problem I thought it would be.

>>60943039
>>60943049
Saw some of your posts and i'm kinda curious. What's this all about?

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>>60943515
Measuring the response of in-ear headphones and equalizing them to a target I came up with: flat.

>>60943288
>>60943507
Found this.

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>>60943549
>>60943288
And this.

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>>60943288
Some version of the compensation I came up with back when I measured these SE535s.

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>>60943288
Effect of different insertion depths on this coupler. Real world usage won't see differences like these, especially not with the likes of Etys.

I'm interested to try how consistent my fit for Etys is with EQ and sine tones.

>>60943654
Meant to say especially not with the likes of Shures. Etys can be inserted pretty shallow or very deep.

>>60943549
>>60943558
>>60943600
>>60943654
Thanks. That's awesome that you were able to come up with a working compensation curve. What kind of coupler are you using?

>>60935148
As a matter of interest, how have yuros faired in trying to get a pair of these, the cheapest on skinflint is 120£ and I was wondering if just getting them off newegg and baring the import tax would be worth it?

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https://pastebin.com/QQ4Gp7bQ

Is there an updated version of this guide?My Klipsch S3's bit the dust very recently and I'm thinking of getting something in the "value for money" category, but I was wondering if anything changed since this last got updated.

Also, what's the difference between "balanced" and "neutral" (even bass and treble) here?

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>>60938775
please answer

>>60943039
>>60943049
Mate, I know how it works. You're the first to actually demonstrate it in practice. Thank you for that.

>>60943765
A short silicone tube, inner diameter of some 8mm and length of 4cm. A considerable part of the tube wraps over the mic capsule to form a seal and in-ears are directly inserted from the other end. The length(and thus air volume) can be adjusted and in ears can be inserted into different depths separately. I've tried to keep it close to adult's ear canal as possible when measuring.

The mic I already listed, the mic and in ear both go into Steinberg UR22 Mk II interface.

>>60943882
No problem. It would be even smoother had I bothered to do the +-0.1 dB EQ all the way.

>>60943288
>I could never come up with a coupler design that accurately measured in-ears
Consider some properties of the ear canal defined from the second bend, the bony portion of the ear canal:
>Canal diameter
~7.5mm
>Microphone equivalent of ear drum
~1/2 inch diameter
>Canal length (from 2nd bend to end)
~13mm
>Canal volume behind second bend
~1.3cc
>Middle ear resonance
~1300 Hz
You will need to attach resonating cavities to the central tube.
IEC 711 and 60318-4 define the canal impedance more carefully.

>>60943429
>too high acoustical impedance
That's backwards. Balanced armatures tend to higher acoustic impedance, so the loss in upper response is from the coupler's impedance being too low.

>>60943830
Are you actually fucking retarded? Why would you pay this much for those shitphones when you can buy k612/k702 around this price and have actually good headphones?
If you didn't realize this yet, shp9500 are complete meme garbage headphones. The only reason why anyone buys those is because of massive shilling by Zeos and his army of shills. It's pair of $50 headphones with ok mids and highs and complete dogshit lows with 0 depth. They hold well in $50 price range due to lack of earpiercing highs like all of superlux shit, and fall short when compared to any relatively decent open headphones.

>>60943183
>headset for gayming.
No. Read the FAQ.

>>60943830
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Beyerdynamic-990-Premium-HiFi-Headphone/dp/B00193FT26

£125

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Once and For All

I have a nice motherboard with an intergrated sound card.
I play a lot of FPS games, and i like to sound-whore
>Should i be using stereo or 7.1 surround?
>If I use 7.1 Surround should i use Virtual or "Normal"?

>>60944459
Depends on the game. Some games can do 3d positioning by themselves on headphones.
Some games can't, but can do 3d with speakers. Use virtual surround for these.

>>60944537
Thank you,
specifically does anyone know for overwatch and counterstike? I think they do their own 3, but im not sure.
Im asking because im considering buying new headphones, and im not sure if i should get ones that are 7.1 Surround, 7.1 Virtual, or just Stereo?

Any Advice?

>>60944723
>Im asking because im considering buying new headphones, and im not sure if i should get ones that are 7.1 Surround, 7.1 Virtual, or just Stereo?
Stereo. Read the FAQ.

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>>60940296
They are rather glorious aren't they.

Holy fuck the LCD-2 is so uncomfortable to wear. At least it has great sound. Anyone here with LCD-2 mind telling me what size adjustment setting you are on? I'ts on the largest size for me and they are barely in the right spot on my head

Recommend me iems/earbuds, budget is $200, no preferred signature, mmcx cable is a plus.

>>60943880
etymothics MK5 (more neutral)/Shure se215 (have better bass for hip-hop)
As for the FiiO, if you can go for it, the 3rd gen X5 is going to be my next upgrade, currently using a 2nd gen X3, pretty good. And get a good class 10 microsd card, the faster the better, use the built in format option in the player to avoid problems with formatting.

>>60944794
They creak a little and the cable is meh although build quality is really nice but whatever. They sound absolutely awesome, should have bought them a long time ago.. and the bag, that soft leather hnngggg..
What suprised me the most was the bass. People who say MSR7 have no bass must be niggers who are used to Gibmedats by Dr. Dindu.
Thanks man, you were one of the people who told me to buy them.

I brought an AKG K612PRO.
Tell me how bad a decision I have made.

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>>60944939
I am also very partial to these, not just because I only got them a week or two ago.

>>60944723
Overwatch and CSGO both have their own virtual surround. Just buy standard headphones.

>>60944943
Isn't it the most neutral AKG? I'd say pretty good.

>>60944943
Best AKG imo. K712 is also nice but the upper mids are a little dry sounding. Keep in mind the K612 isn't very efficient so your mobo might not be enough.

>>60945024
880's are great. I got 990's because muh gaymen, but both are nice. In fact, all are. I really like the beyerdynamic sound. Speaking of which, my 990's are currently on vacation at beyerdynamic to be repaired, the left speaker started to have some noise at low freq after almost two years.
Btw, are those 600 Ohm? If so, what amp do you use? Mine are 250 and i can power them with my onboard ALC1220 but thought about getting a Schiit stack or O2 regardless.

>>60945375
>I really like the beyerdynamic sound

t. someone who has lost all high frequency hearing

Is it normal that my mobo gets my hd600 louder than my shp9500s ? Not a good mobo either, was like $90.

>>60945601
Please go back to your shitty veiled trash cans.

>>60944943
>>60945287
>>60945310

>tfw AKG stopped making anything in Austria

>>60945691
Someone who has lost all frequency hearing would think most headphones are veiled.

>>60945998
Ok good. Then i don't have lost all frequency hearing and it's only you who has either shit frequency hearing and or shit headphones.

>>60946048
t. someone who has only lost most high frequency hearing from treble dildo abuse

>>60945601
Hearing loss is an interesting thing.
I have no hearing in my right ear and only amplitude loss (compensated with a hearing aid)
I'll never know what it is like to hear two different tracks in left and right channel at the same time, but it doesn't really bother me.

Hope you get a good pair of headphones.

>>60946065
No but keep telling yourself it's my hearing that sucks and not your shit headphones or your shit hearing.

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Recently bought these for about $100 and to me they sound worse than my $15 JVC marshmallows. It's like the treble and upper mids are overly harsh and it makes the vocals/electric guitars in songs sound like garbage.

Does anyone know of anything similarly priced that won't rape my ears?

>>60946939
1more triple

>Alls I know is every single pair of headphones I've ever EQ'd ended up sounding exactly the same as my EQ'd speakers, tonally. It's really not that hard. Frequency response is responsible for 99% of perceived audio quality.
Tonally, and if it's the only thing you care/hear than let it be. But if you ever get a chance compare bass on HD800 and HD600, with EQ or without HD800 wins by a large margin.

>>60939704
And repeating rumbling that you can EQ 10$ IEM to anything you want is proof of nothing as well.

>>60947061
>But if you ever get a chance compare bass on HD800 and HD600, with EQ or without HD800 wins by a large margin.
Describe how the HD800's EQ'd bass is superior to the HD600's EQ'd bass. Also, are you EQ'ing them to flat bass or Harman target bass?

>>60941753
You can EQ it to a large degree for it to be a non issue besides few extreme cases, esp if you can sacrifice 'soundstage' and add gain to the treble dip.
>>60941854
>>60941872
This kills the reasons to get HD800S for me, didn't try them myself but it means you can't EQ bass up without running into distortion anymore. I wonder if HD820 will have a better housing construction that won't resonate or have a need for resonator to be installed.

So the stock earcups on the HD598Cs are not that great, could I just order the velour earcups for the 598 and slap those on or are there better alternatives?

>>60947428
Changing pads will change the sound.

>>60946939
Fill out the form.

>>60947490
How so?

>>60947504
I can't say specifically how for absolute sure but the headphones were designed to be used with the pads they came with, so probably not for the better. Velour pads will likely reduce bass response.

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>>60947336
I EQ'd them to this https://www.innerfidelity.com/content/acoustic-basis-harman-listener-target-curve, it's a bit different to Harman's but I just needed any curve with rise in sub bass that can be used with Tyll's measurements. Then I just EQ both to my liking by ear.
HD800 subbas was cleared and tighter to one on HD600, and on bass heavy songs it didn't turn into the one note blob like HD600 did with the rise. Bass guitars sounded especially cleaner.

>>60943970
Lmao. How easily mad do you get?

>>60947823
Can you define how the HD800's bass sounded better in objective terms?

>>60947517
Well these pads I don't know what to call them, felt? Aren't too comfortable for me at the moment but I just got them the other day, will they at least get more comfortable with wear?

What are the advantages of having a balanced TRRS jack in a pair of headphones?

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>>60947980
HD800 has less distortion than HD600, noticeably in the bass area. Sennheiser did this trick with HD800S as measured by Tyll in his HD800S article.

>>60948173
Bass distortion is extremely difficult to hear and is usually mostly second order harmonics which aren't displeasing to the ear.
>>60947061
>large margin
My doubt is extremely strong here. You are likely experiencing placebo/confirmation bias.

>>60947823
>one note blob
That sounds more linear error than nonlinear error.

>>60948325
>Bass distortion is extremely difficult to hear
Generally yes. A simple view of masking and the loudness contour would suggest that.
>mostly second order harmonics which aren't displeasing to the ear
I don't believe you.

>>60947876
severe autism mixed with stupidity at play in these threads

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>>60948390

>>60948434
I mean the "euphonic distortion" thing. I don't buy it.

>>60941945
No bass - they make HD6X0 look bass heavy.

>>60944794
Those look a lot like the Sony MDR1A.

Ur opinions on Sennheiser momentum 2.0? How come they sell them for 150 euros in china

>>60948518
My headphones are equalized for flat bass response.
I just did an experiment where, to simulate 2nd order harmonic distortion in the bass, I took a subwoofer test song, removed all frequencies above 200 Hz, raised the pitch one octave then mixed it with the original, 96% original and 3% modified, all in a way where no clipping occurred at any point in the experiment. I cannot hear a difference between the original and the mixed versions.
You're welcome to try this experiment yourself. I'm sure you won't be able to hear a difference either.

>>60935083
Rockmasters OE are bretty good got mine recently.

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Idol trash reporting in.

>>60948561
I've EQ'd headphones with worse sub-bass extension than SHP9500 to flat bass without audible bass distortion. The SHP9500 look like a great poorfag candidate for equalization to me: comfortable, open, well-built, detachable cable and credible measurements of it available online.

>>60948325
>>60948390
>Bass distortion is extremely difficult to hear
No it isn't. Do you think Sennheiser increased HD800S distortion in bass just for fun or that they couldn't keep it low if they wanted to?
>Generally yes. A simple view of masking and the loudness contour would suggest that.
These do not exclude an ability to hear it, as it will depend on each individual track and headphone.
>and is usually mostly second order harmonics which aren't displeasing to the ear.
I never claimed otherwise, I just described how it leads to the difference in sound, esp when you EQ and potential problems with that.
>My doubt is extremely strong here. You are likely experiencing placebo/confirmation bias.
I gave you objective data on distortion in bass and you can check out measurements of it on HD600 and HD800 further yourself.

>>60948958
Sennheiser raising the second order harmonic distortion at 80 Hz by a massive 20 dB and producing an audible change by doing so doesn't mean that the bass distortion in your typical headphones isn't extremely difficult to hear.

>>60949062
Also, when equalizing bass to flat or Harman target, you generally won't be boosting 80 Hz that much. 20 Hz, yeah, 80 Hz, not so much. 80 Hz distortion is easier to hear than 20 Hz distortion.

>>60949062
t. someone who has lost all low frequency hearing

>>60948518
Do you really think Sennheiser, the best headphone maker in the world, would intentionally increase second order harmonic distortion on a flagship product if it wasn't euphonic?

>>60948743
-I never said the distortion was audible. I suggested the opposite. Prior tests on my part did not yield a positive result.
-That test does not represent harmonic distortion. Intermodulation will always be present with more than one fundamental tone.

>>60948958
>These do not exclude an ability to hear it
Masking and the like provide a minimum threshold of audibility. They determine the audibility of new tones.

>>60949148
Yes, because it is likely incidental. They don't care about it, but it emerges as a result of other goals.
Manipulating the driver's ventilation to increase bass output will add to the total non-linearity.

>>60949062
>Sennheiser raising the second order harmonic distortion at 80 Hz by a massive 20 dB and producing an audible change by doing so doesn't mean that the bass distortion in your typical headphones isn't extremely difficult to hear.
Original argument was on HD600 vs HD800 bass. HD600 subbass needs a bigger rise than HD800 rise and together with higher distortion on HD600 it makes for an audible difference. I just used HD8xx as an example that bass distortion can be heard and it makes for an audible difference.
>>60949282
>Masking and the like provide a minimum threshold of audibility. They determine the audibility of new tones.
And in case of HD800/HD800S it was audible. Just quoting a rule and applying it blindly to everything does not mean anything, not in every case you have a frequency/noise that masks anything else to inaudibility.

>>60949282
Comparing InnerFidelity's HD800 and HD800S graphs, it appears as if the HD800S has about 1 decibel more bass response than the HD800. Through what mechanical means do you think Sennheiser achieved this bass bost? Driver ventilation modification, as you mentioned?

>>60949408
I've EQ'd headphones with worse subbass extension and more bass distortion than HD600 to flat bass without audible distortion.
I've only done Harman target EQing once and rejected it for a severe cass of the negrobass. I can't say from personal experience whether Harman target EQing will result in audible distortion (although I surmise a mere extra 4 dB won't make a hell of a difference) but the absolutely disgusting negrobass will be a bigger problem than the distortion with the Harman target anyways.

>>60949408
Tyll didn't explain a mechanical means by which the HD800S gained an extra decibel of bass. I don't believe it is safe to assume that the extra decibel of bass is solely comprised of 2nd order harmonic distortion. The audible change in sound between the HD800 and HD800S could very well be part or all linear change.

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no bully pls

>>60949701
>$300 for a PMP that won't sound audibly different than a Clip+

>>60949744
>has never used a good headphone amplifier

>>60949787
>probably thinks that amplifiers can actually be audibly more accurate than an O2 or Magni
They can't. They can only be audibly more inaccurate.

Hey guys, I'm more or less a complete noob when it come to headphones so I'd like some advice.

>My current setup
I'm using sennheiser hd558s and a sound blaster z in the desktop (and some onboard type audio on the laptop, supposedly hyped up - it's a $1000-tier laptop so probably not too shitty).

>My needs/usecases
I barely listen to music, and a lot of my time is spent talking to friends and watching random youtube stuff, neither of which need good sound quality. That leaves gaming - both single and multiplayer.
This means I'm looking for good sound positioning (even if I'm only playing nodded skyrim, if I pass by a tavern on my left, it greatly increases immersion if I can hear the din of it coming up on the left, passing by, and fading back to the point I don't even need to look to know more or less what's around me - like in real life). Also important is good, well-balanced sound quality - I absolutely do not need a throbbing bass, but I really do want to still be able to properly hear deeper sounds, whether they're in-game sound effects or music, or on the rare occasions I actually go listen to some music.

>My complaints
While the 558s work pretty great, the need for a 3.5mm adapter makes it really inconvenient on a laptop. Also, I'd like a headset instead - standalone mics either take up half the desk, or are clip-ons with horrible quality.

>my question
I'm mostly writing all this to ask whether this is a meme: https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-sennheiser-pc37x-gaming-headset (costs $120). On paper it looks great, and seems to be exactly what I need - but of course it would. Can you guys tell me whether it's all marketing or whether it's actually worth the price?

>>60949849
>headset
Just... no. Any headset will be a massive downgrade. See FAQ @ OP.
>then what?
Save up for an actual upgrade. HD600 is the logical step up if you do like sennheiser and you're going for accuracy. HD598/579/599 would not be much of an improvement.

>>60949849
>Hey guys, I'm more or less a complete noob when it come to headphones
so is everyone else in this general

>>60949799
i don't think you should be giving amp advice if you think a clip will sound the same as my cayin lmao

>>60949849
Mod your HD558 so they can take a V-Moda Boompro: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_fd3PzoTeY
The Boompro will become your cable so you will no longer need an adapter.

>>60949701
what purple earphone is that? looks good, how does it sound?

What earbuds would you reccomend me? (budget around 100$)

>>60949935
With a bunch of chinkshit IEMs? I seriously doubt it.
Since when did head-fi faggots start leaking here? I thought they went to Reddit.

>>60949935
I don't think it will. I know it will.
If your ears are so golden, go complete Richard Clark's $10,000 amplifier challenge.

>>60949955
Etymotic MK5

>>60950100
They look likea anal probes.
Don`t get me wrong, the wiki praises this model and it says that they are actualy gr8 quality, but i would rather go for something more "normal"

>>60950130
OK, but just know that you won't find anything non-Etymotic that sounds great in your price range.

>Koss Porta Pro
>better sound that anything posted in this thread
>costs like $30

>>60950143
KSC75 sound better for half the cost.

>>60949978
>Since when did head-fi faggots start leaking here? I thought they went to Reddit.
nice buzzwords
>I seriously doubt it.
you're opinion on gear is worthless
>>60949947
gleam audio 1+8
https://world.taobao.com/item/527730344635.htm
>>60950031
nah im good

>>60949900
>no headset
Thanks, I'll check out the mod proposed below.
>HD600
>£300
Ouch, that's almost as much as my GPU. I'll keep it in mind for the future though. Is it really a worthwhile upgrade for nearly triple the price?

>>60949936
That actually looks very interesting, thanks!

>>60950164
If you can't complete Richard Clark's challenge then you can't hear the difference between a Clip+ and your Cayin unless:
- You're using super sensitive, low-impedance IEMs, which a Clip+ can be slightly noisy with, at a very high volume or,
- Your Cayin is actually less accurate than the Clip+
Clip+ is demonstrably transparent through objective measurements and its only flaw is that super sensitive, low impedance IEMs, when played at very high volumes, can exhibit a slight bit of noise.

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>>60950142
fuck.
thanks anyways

>>60950220
not that guy, read this and get something you'll like
http://theheadphonelist.com/earphone-buyers-guide/

>>60950220
You might be best off getting the $10 HJE120 and learning to EQ them. They're widely reported to be super comfortable and I'm looking at their frequency response right now and it literally looks like you can EQ them to neutral with only three to four parametric filters.

HD558 fag here back with more stupid questions. My headphones are loud, what do?

More seriously, they don't have built-in volume adjustment, and they're fucking LOUD. I keep my windows volume around 8-14% at all times. This removes a lot of fine control, and forces me to adjust application volume where possible - for instance, when booting a new game, first thing I do every time is set the master volume to like 30%.

I'm assuming that's not normal. Can you explain a retard like me whether I should do anything about it?

>>60949408
The distortion audible? Really now? Who tested it and how?

>>60949701
>>60949799
>>60949787
>>60949744
My three cents on your mental gymnastics.

1. Clip+ is cheap plastic shit which hisses more than my phone but it offers solid performance for the price. Beyond self noise the audio quality is excellent. Self noise is only a problem on high sensitivity in-ears.
2. For all we know it could still be better than that PMP. They tend not to be anything worthwhile even at high prices. It's not uncommon for smartphones to beat them.
3. Amplifier performance is entirely dependent on the load. You can have a situation where O2 or Magni will fail although on most loads and use cases I'd find that extremely unlikely.

>>60950286
Get a Fulla2? Analog volume control knobs are nice because they don't reduce signal to noise ratio like software volume control does.

Whats the best earbuds I can get for my phone for $50 in USA?

>>60950200
>You're using super sensitive, low-impedance IEMs
there's literally 2 pairs in the picture along with some high impedance earbuds

>>60950308
OK. You still didn't need to pay $300 for transparency.

>>60950297
Looks good, but where can I find one? Amazon doesn't seem to sell them.

>>60950315
try to find a cheaper equivalent

>>60950297
>they don't reduce signal to noise ratio like software volume control does
Totally solved by using a 24-bit or greater volume control. Ignores matching problems and potentiometer noise.

>>60949590
>extra decibel of bass is solely comprised of 2nd order harmonic distortion
If that was caused by harmonic distortion, it would be inappropriate. FR characterizes linear input-output ratio.

>>60950375
Order directly from Schiit.

>>60950380
>If that was caused by harmonic distortion, it would be inappropriate. FR characterizes linear input-output ratio.
Tyll describes the HD800S bass, in relation to the HD800, as "slightly less precise and authoritative." It's safe to assume that this is due to linear reasons, e.g. 1 dB of extra midbass and a steeper subbass rolloff?

>>60950392
>$25 cheapest shipping, plus I'll probably have to pay customs too
Fug. It does look good though. Is it worth importing? Or is there something similar that's easier to get in the UK?

Also dumb question - my sound card apparently already has a headphone amp. Was buying it a mistake if something external like this works better, or will they complement each other?

>>60950519
Fiio E10k, although the possibilities for future headphone upgrades that'll still be loud enough through it will be less than with Fulla2.

>>60950519
The Fulla2 or E10k have their own DACs so they're considered separate audio devices by your PC, bypassing your soundcard entirely. External DAC+amp is generally recommended over soundcard because it separates your audio chain from the noisy internals of your PC and it provides an analog volume knob.

>>60950292
>They tend not to be anything worthwhile even at high prices. It's not uncommon for smartphones to beat them.
Link? I'd love to see

>>60935083
Holy mother of god, the autism levels of that FAQ are unreal.

>>60950376
What kind of phone do you use?

>>60950717
lg g3, i don't think any phone will have an amp as powerful as my cayin

>>60950734
Does your G3 fail to drive your preferred IEMs loud enough?

>>60950603
Thanks for the explanation, good to know for the future. I spent like £50 on it a couple years ago so not a huge deal, but will keep in mind.

>>60950584
Will I notice any sound difference? I wouldn't be against importing the fulla2 provided it would actually be worth the $150 or so. If it's only for theoretical future upgrades that may never come and will make absolutely no difference to me right now, then it's probably a waste of money and I'll get the E10k.

>>60950792
They won't sound any different. Fulla2 can just get louder.

>>60950767
Its very hissy and does not drive any of my high impeadance headphones loud enough, also does not act as a usb dac like muh cayin

>>60950829
Ah ok.
>mfw I just checked my sound card (sound blaster Z) and it's 600Ω
Yeah a more sane amp might be good. I'm assuming purely in terms of quality a non-meme external DAC is still a worthwhile upgrade over the "gaming" sound card, even at the same price range, right?

>>60950190
>Ouch, that's almost as much as my GPU. I'll keep it in mind for the future though. Is it really a worthwhile upgrade for nearly triple the price?
Yes, HD600 is the headphone to get. There's plenty of reviews of it out there if you're not certain. It can be obtained at far lower than 300GBP, just set your camelcamelcamel alarms.
>modmic
An option, although I personally prefer having a good, desktop mic. r/letsplay has a few mic threads with recommendations at a few price brackets. You'll sound far better on a good desktop mic, which helps.

>>60950375
>>60950392
http://schiit.com/faq/international

>>60950904
That means it can drive 600 ohm headphones. The actual output impedance is 22 ohms, which is far from ideal. Output impedance should be as close to 0 as possible.
>I'm assuming purely in terms of quality a non-meme external DAC is still a worthwhile upgrade over the "gaming" sound card, even at the same price range, right?
Correct.

>>60950959
You will almost always sound worse on a dekstop mic than a quality mic right in front of your mouth. You will sound more distant (because the mic is literally more distant from your mouth) and a desktop mic will pick up typing microphonics through the desk.

>>60950998
Typing, sure. But voice sounds considerably better (deep vs chicken shrieks) on a good desktop mic. Go check some recorded samples of mics (the threads thing I suggested has some) if you don't believe me.

>>60951019
>But voice sounds considerably better (deep vs chicken shrieks) on a good desktop mic.
Possible in pristine, ideal environments. A mic right in front of your mouth will present a much higher voice to noise ratio, though, for any environments that aren't perfectly silent.

>>60951019
Speaking as a gamer, the people who I can barely fucking hear who piss me off are almost always by rule on a desktop mic and the people who I can hear loud and clear and who don't piss me the fuck off are almost always by rule using a headset style mic.

>>60950164
>$470
those better sound good enough to spend that much on iems.

>>60951081
>speaking as a gamer
Speaking as a gamer, too.
>the people who I can barely fucking hear who piss me off are almost always by rule on a desktop mic
Shit $10 stick mics. Not the good ones. Headsets usually sound terrible too.

>>60950972
>mfw I can't read
Thanks for pointing this out to me anon

>>60950959
>HD600 is the headphone to get
Assuming I'm looking for the most accurate sound (also including positioning), and have no brand loyalty or preference, is the HD600 still the best choice as an end-game headphone?

>inb4 I spend £350+ on upgrading my sound equipment to hear Rocket League better

>>60951102
>>60951041
I usually operate in a far from pristine environment. I'm also not going to be recording or anything so I'm not too keen to spend $50+ on a mic for skype calls.
What would be you guys' recommendations though?

(Also, can you micmod an HD600 the same way?)

>>60951162
>Assuming I'm looking for the most accurate sound (also including positioning), and have no brand loyalty or preference, is the HD600 still the best choice as an end-game headphone?
There's an option that's more neutral than HD600. ER4SR. Sadly, it's an IEM. The few headphones that are closer to harman's target in frequency response have very high distortion, which makes them no good.
Of course, you shouldn't take us on our word; Watch some HD600 review youtubes, read a few HD600 reviews. Know what you're possibly getting into. HD600 is my daily driver and I love it.
>micmod a 200€+ headphone
You can. I wouldn't. YMMV.
><$50 mic recs
https://www.reddit.com/r/letsplay/wiki/microphones
https://www.reddit.com/r/letsplay/wiki/micsampleproject

>>60951225
>Fucking earbuds are better than proper headphones
Well HD600 it is then. Someday. Once I satisfy my autism in reviews and decide to cough up the dough. I'm assuming the build quality is sufficiently premium to last me years and years? I mean I have no complaints about the 558s after like 4 years of daily use so I'm sure it will be fine.

While I'm here - if I do get the Fulla2 or equivalent, will it be adequate to drive a £200+ pair like the 600s or would I be better of upgrading the dac and amp too if/when I get them? Seems to be fine in terms of impedance, but I have no idea what most of the other specs mean and how they measure up.

>>60951323
I've had mine for months only.
However, these headphones have been around since 1997 and have built plenty of reputation. They are modular, all parts can be replaced. HD650 parts are interchangeable. Note that HD650 is a colored (less neutral) and less popular headphone.
Like any headphone, expect to have to replace the pads once in a while (years) and that's about it. Original pads cost 40€ or so. The cable will unplug from the headphones if pulled, so it's hard to break, but replacements are cheap should it happen. People tend to like HD650's cable more for whatever reason, and it is compatible. There's also third party cables, including both practical ones and audiophoolery.

>>60951403
Nice, glad to hear. Thanks for all the advice.

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>>60951323
HD600 has an easily remedied design flaw which can leave you with a cracked plastic headband cover:
As soon as you get your HD600, fully extend the earcups, exposing the metal headband (the part circled in this picture). Grab the metal and only the metal with both hands and carefully bend it so you move the earcups away from the center. Do this in a way that reduces the clamping force while still allowing enough clamp to keep the headphones in place on your head. If you do this when you first get the HD600 the plastic headband cover will never crack. The plastic headband cover can crack if you do not do this because, at default clamping force, when you put the headphones on you're actually stretching the metal AND the plastic every time you put them on. Over time this can cause a stress fracture. By stretching the metal and only the metal permanently upon first receiving the HD600s you can prevent said stress fracture from ever occurring.
That being said, even if you didn't take this advice and the headband cracks a few years down the line, as >>60951403 said the headphone is completely modular and all parts can be replaced. There are no other known build quality-related design flaws with the HD600. Stretch them properly when you get them and they should last you a lifetime aside from the earpads, which are replaceable (no headphones have earpads which will last forever).

>>60951502
>While I'm here - if I do get the Fulla2 or equivalent, will it be adequate to drive a £200+ pair like the 600s or would I be better of upgrading the dac and amp too if/when I get them? Seems to be fine in terms of impedance, but I have no idea what most of the other specs mean and how they measure up.
I've got both the Fulla2 and the Schiit Stack (Modi2 Uber + Magni2 Uber). They sound the same with HD600, except at high volume, past 12 o'clock @ fulla2, where it sounds a little odd vs the magni2 uber. However, I wouldn't even know if I didn't have the magni to compare, and these volumes are pretty high and not very healthy.
The Fulla2 is a good dac (not worse than modi) , and a decent amp (but not as good as magni).
>>60951561
The suggested metal stretching trick is quite popular, but my choice's been to let them stretch naturally by wearing them. While breaking the headband is not impossible, it is far from a common issue. As I understand it, there was a fabrication issue at one point which is more than solved now, 20 years after the headphone was released. There's no harm in using the stretching trick in any event, and worst case scenario, like everything else in these headphones, the headband is a replaceable part.

>>60951561
Ebin. Will keep in mind.

Still waiting for an anon to comment on upgrading the Fulla, because if I'm going to get the HD600s within like a year or so then I'm not going to bother getting a £110 amp/DAC only to replace it so soon. But if that too will last me a lifetime then I'd have no reason to hold off.

>>60949701
The Rose Masya looks pretty different, how are they?

>>60951617
>but my choice's been to let them stretch naturally by wearing them.
I wouldn't advise this because this stretches the plastic too. I wish you the best of luck with this.

>>60951618
>>60951617
>tfw I got sniped
Alright nice, Fulla2 it is then. A slightly better amp is not worth paying triple to me (or even double, for the non-uber stack).

>>60951618
See >>60951617. The fulla2 is, hands off, the best value/cost device schiit makes, but as an amp it isn't end game. It's, however, awesome considering it's USB powered, small and portable.
The "upgrade path" for the fulla2 is to use it as dac with an external amp like the magni2.

>>60951618
The nice thing about the Fulla2 is if you find yourself craving more volume you can still use it as a DAC only and connect a Magni2 to it for more volume.

>>60951684
>more volume
I should be fine, I usually prefer slightly lower volumes as long as it's still clear. Like I said mostly playing games, so it's not like I'll want to enjoy my hard rock as loudly as possible. Plus for some reason I'm always kinda paranoid about damaging my hearing by having the volume too high for too long.

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>>60935083
Sennheiser Momentum 2.0

They pretty good OP.

>>60951684
As a schiit stack + fulla2 owner I'll tell you this: Magni2 with gain switch low can get, with the volume knob past half, seriously loud. I normally use it with the knob somewhere between 9h and 13h.
The gain of the fulla2 is higher than that of the magni2 at low, meaning it can get seriously loud.

>>60951723
The main concern volume wise is sources mastered at a very low level, like a lot of older music, classical music, or movies/anime, especially surround-encoded movies/anime.

>>60951723
You'll most likely not need the Magni, but it's there as a future option if you find through experience that >>60951759 rings true.

>>60935083
When going about EQ'ing in bass, is it better to bump up the frequencies you want or bring down the frequencies that don't need to be affected?

>>60951724
Friend of mine has them. I've tried them, and they do not sound bad. However, they're far from neutral, and a far cry from HD598, nevermind HD600.
>>60951759
Agree, with recent anime and classical music I often have to go between 14h and 17h. We're talking ridiculously low volume mastering. But fulla2 goes even higher, so no problem than that. I haven't flipped the gain switch of my magni to high in months.

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>>60951776
>>60951759
>>60951743
Thanks for the advice everyone. I mean it.

I'll do my own research in the meantime, and also ponder whether it's really a worthwhile investment at this point in time (it probably is), but I definitely have a clear direction now and I know what I want, whereas before coming to the thread I had literally zero idea. Cheers everyone.

>>60951869
You caught /hpg/ at a good, shitposter-free time. You're welcome.

>>60951799
Either is fine. If you boost frequencies you must enter a negative gain value into a preamp setting corresponding to your largest boost to prevent clipping, meaning if your largest boost is +5 dB you must enter -5 dB in a preamp setting.

is a used pair of 598se's worth $80cnd? And how can i tell quickly if they are legit(google says there is a counterfit problem)

I already own a set of 558's, so i'm not sure if i'll even bother, even if it is a good deal(I'd prob. give the 558's to a friend if i get the 598se's)

Ok buddies, my AKG K512 mkII are in pretty bad shape right now so I'm looking for a replacement.

>Budget
50$.
>Location
Yurop.
>Source
Clevo laptop / Redmi 4
>Type of headphone
Over the ear, I wouldn't mind getting some good in-ear though, in fact I would appreciate some recommendations.
>Comfort level
The K512 are very comfortable, I wouldn't want a downgrade on this aspect.
>Sound signature
Close to the K512.

>>60951940
Not worth it if you own 558s. They sound almost identical.

>>60951951
oh I forgot to mention, something that didn't leak as much as the k512 would be great as I would be using them mostly in my college room/library.

>>60951940
Not worth it, almost the same. The only sennheiser worth upgrading to, for someone with 5xx, is hd600.

>>60951901
How would I know if I'm running into audible distortion if it can be heard?

>>60952117
Clipping distortion isn't like typical headphone harmonic distortion. It can be super obvious.
Anyways, I'd recommend using Equalizer APO as your equalizer if you use Windows, and using Room EQ Wizard to generate parametric equalization filters. Room EQ Wizard has a great GUI for generating parametric equalization filters, so you can easily identify what your largest EQ boost and set your preamp value accordingly. You will be able to know for sure you're not clipping without having to rely on your ears if you do this properly.

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ITT: Poorfags try to justify their poverty by claiming anything out of their price range is "placebo", and then pretending their shit opinions are backed up by "science".

>>60952210
>tfw the only thing stopping me from getting rich by ripping off idiots like you is moral objections

>>60952221
>he can't even afford high end gear and he thinks he can design it
k e k

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>>60952168
I've been using Equalizer APO and Peace GUI to try and fix the bass on the 668B's as the sub bass rolls the fuck off and I'm not a fan of the big ass mid-bass boost. Pic related is what I've been hearing for the past 15 minutes trying to hear is there's any difference.

>>60952472
Use Room EQ Wizard instead of Peace. It'll generate smoother, more precise filters.

>>60952472
>>60952515
Like, I can tell from the bumpiness of that graph that you needed many filters just to do that. REW would accomplish that with 2 filters, cutting down on Equalizer APO's CPU usage.

I'm content with my HD 558s. They are clear but not as dynamic.

>>60952472
Use the raw data graph here as reference: http://en.goldenears.net/14529

Is the hd600s having no soundstage thing a meme? To me they have just the right width. Don't need any more.

>>60952543
>>60952515
I just installed Room EQ Wizard, opened the EQ tab and have no fucking clue what to do with it.

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>>60952472
>>60952612
I came up with this real quick using the GE graph as reference to show you how REW simplifies things. This should EQ it to flat bass response with only two filters:
90 Hz, -4.5 gain, Q 0.5
20 Hz, 3 gain, Q 1.0
Set preamp to -3 dB to compensate for the 20 Hz boost.

>>60952684
Where it says Equalizer in the upper right set it to generic. Once you have your set of filters completed in the EQ filters window, go to the main REW window, file menu, export, filter settings as text. This will generate a text file that Equalizer APO can use as its EQ settings.

>>60952684
For EQing the treble peaks down use a combination of referring to the TOP graph on the Goldenears page (not the raw one) and listening to Sinegen.

New thread: >>60952772

>>60952704
>>60952722
>>60952777
Room EQ is one big ass visually overwhelming clusterfuck. I can somewhat differentiate the filters though I dont 'feel' like I have as much of a grasp of messing it it as you guys do. I think I'll stick with EQ APO and Peace as it's a lot easier to comprehend in my opinion.

>>60952634
Some people are hooked on exaggerated soundstage. Even shit that's supposed to come from a meter away seems hundreds of meters away, but they do like it. Fidelity has no worth for some. Best to ignore the crazy people.

>>60952857
REW is more powerful, more precise and generates equivalent EQ settings with less filters, reducing Equalizer APO's latency. It's well worth devoting an hour or so towards its learning curve. It's up to you, though, if you want to settle for an inferior solution because you don't want to deal with a learning curve.

>>60953522
What the absolute fuck is going on with that worm?

>>60953552
I hate when people catch my mistake posts before I delete them.

>>60935083
>Anime
Hi.
Go to hell.

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>>60953982