Linus confirms X299 launch will be a mess

>inb4 motherboards cost more than cpus

>>60731740
>Linus confirms
literally who

> 10:40 linus complaining about gigabyte
> 10:57 bus with gigabyte ad drives in the back

Im just curious what do mobo makers have to do with supporting the cpu ?

Will it be the right socket ?
Will it be the right chipset ?
Wew that was hard.

>>60731740
why don't burgers ride mopeds to get around?

>>60731933
>linuswettips

>>60731826
The guy who invented GNU

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>>60731973

>>60731740
Doesn't bother me one bit. Not planning on building a new computer anytime soon. Let others figure it out.

>>60731933
Because we live in a first world country

>>60732090
go away linus

>>60731740
>linus
>listening to shill who jumps camps depending on who pays more
Suddenly /g/tards started listening this retard after he switched to red team+
hilarious

>>60731740
why would you walking out street when it's raining?

>>60732119
Wait you are on the side of team blue ?

>>60732119
>intel does something stupid and linus calls it out
HURR DURR HE SWITCHED TO AMD HE'S EBUL NOW!!!!!1

>>60732155
>>60732165
I didn't watch the retard when he shilled for intel. I don't watch biased reviewers.

>>60732121
His target audience is tweens and teens, quantity over quality.
>30 year old man censors swearing to remain edgy with his audience but not upsetting mom and dad
>"hurr im so random" persona

He pumps out 2-3 videos per day just on YT, plus who knows what else gets released on vessel only.

my own tl;dr

Motherboard manufacturers need a standard to build their products around.

Intel is throwing a bunch of high core count cpus at the new platform that each have different standards.

meaning, motherboard manufacturers are either gonna have to build specific motherboards for Lesser CPUs or sell high priced motherboards with Features that cant be utilized by most of the cpus of that platform.

>>60731740
He said what everyone's thinking. Liking the noire rainy walk confession style, probably escaping the intel bugs in his room

>>60731928
gee, I wonder
it's not like EVERY FUCKING PIN ON THE CPU MUST BE CONNECTED IN JUST THE RIGHT WAY TOGETHER WITH HUNDREDS OF INDIVIDUAL CHIPS TO MAKE YOUR CPU SPIT BILLIONS OF INSTRUCTIONS PER SECOND WITHOUT ISSUES

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>onboard graphics fused off
>after watching shills regurgitate it endlessly for no reason
>mfw

>>60731740
3:50 start of complaining

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You gotta actually rofl at intel actually using xeon processors as a stop gap for getting steamrolled by threadripper

>>60732225
Do they even have time for that? Or resources?

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>>60732310
>Rebranded xeons for $1200
my lord it's the cuckening

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All they needed to do was to leave kaby-x out. like why the fuck are they sticking a 4c on a x299 mobo?

Also, the m.2 raid is classic intel

>>60731928
nice autism

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>>60731740
>overclockable watercooled servers
>retards listen to this imbecile
Jesus Christ

>>60732119
>getting mad that he makes money by misinforming 16 year olds
why don't you just admit you'll never do business as well as he does and move on?

>So rushed that gigabyte motherboards don't have thunderbolt 3 ports xD
>$99 for RAID 1 or 10 key
>$300 for RAID 5

>>60732250
https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/MAXIMUS-VIII-HERO/HelpDesk_CPU/

wow, look at that, a single mobo support many different cpus from celerons to i7s !


same thing with their previous enthusiast line up for mobos
https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/ROG-RAMPAGE-V-EDITION-10/HelpDesk_CPU/

>>60732404
linus pls go and stay go

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So much tu quoque in this thread

>>60732310
>>60732310
>>60732310

>>60732423
don't even act like it's not obvious what he does. you have to be retarded not to see how obviously one-sided his reviews are, no matter how subtly. when you have an herd of 4 million normie retards from reddit that worship you, why not just shill and make fucking bank?

>>60732374
He runs a business you weeaboo faggot

>>60732457
More tu quequo, more lack of evidence
>keep raging that linus is more successful than you

>>60731740
the whole fake despair thing is really fucking lame

>>60732410
They all have the same features, though. X299 has to support different amounts of PCIe lanes, RAM slots, etc.

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its already obvious that intel shills don't read anything that isn't PC gamer

>>60732481
Think he's more pissed or fed up than anything else.

>>60732471
>tu quequo

using fancy Latinate expressions to sound academic doesn't work when you can't spell them.

>>60732481
>>60732457
>>60732374
Please explain how self admitted xeon rebrands with features fused off to prevent competition with server market is a good thing
otherwise go the fuck back to your /v/ faggoty where facts aren't relevant

>>60732492
There have been small but additive performance gains from all the BIOS and AGESA roll outs over the past couple months. RAM support is all but dead solid when it comes to supporting the highest speed DIMMs. Zen really turned out to be a solid competitor to intel's current lineup.

>>60732521
Please explain how you aren't still doing exactly the same shit by your useless non-factual response
>was a reference to previous time I said it to check if you understood it even after googling, which is obviously not the case

>>60732406
they come with add-on cards instead, but yes the VROC thing is really strange in how it is implemented.
>If you want to use VROC to create a bootable partition, though, you can use only Intel SSDs.
I have no idea what intel is thinking here..


X299 seems like a good idea, but it was bungled with shit like this.
If its anything like X99 mobos they will be prohibitively expensive


I've got 2 M.2 ports on my mobo and for whatever fucking reasons, if I use the 'wrong' one , it disables the sata ports
this is a known thing in the manual too, so why even have two fucking ports then

>>60732573
Despite the fact the clocks won't come close to threadripper due to housefire.jpg
Literally no reason to buy intel anymore except for budget shit

>>60732573
>X299 seems like a good idea
It seems like retardedly bad idea, considering the featureset of Threadrippers.

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I knew Linus would make a video calling out intel soon
Jewtel is dead

>/g/ suddenly sucks linus' castrated dick

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>>60731826

>>60732606
/g/ unsuddenly gapes its arsehole for intel in times of crisis

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>>60731928
>Being this retarded

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>>60732601
Kikeripper is WIIIIIIIIIDE.

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>>60732621
this as a rule. just the fact it's rebranded xeons gets me so hard

>>60732534
It's very similar to the (admittedly simple) strategy that drug addicts use when they come into hospitals or pharmacies and simulate phantom pain.
They try to score prescription painkillers or even pharmaceutical amphetamines by pretending to not want painkillers and only "giving in" when doctors are unable to diagnose their (non-existent) ailment.
Some will see it as a sign of trust while their goal is the very opposite.

>>60732592
if by budget you mean cpus that cost less 700 or whatever the starting price of threadripper is.
The market for such expensive cpus is not that big,

>endlessly talk shit about 14nm LPP
>all of a sudden fanboys panicking because intel can't match the cores and clocks of Zen Threadripper despite using a "superior" process

Who fucking cares about any of this shit because there certainly aren't any games that take advantage of this new generation of overpriced CPUs and there won't be any in the next decade, guaran-fucking-teed. Buy a Sandy Bridge from 7 years ago and you're set.

>>60732675
You need to be over 18 to post on this site.

>>60732663
10 core TR might be as low as $560. Still pretty damn expensive but that's HEDT for you.

>>60732665
Intel's process is better: it can potentially clocks higher and is denser, but their uarch is ancient buttfucked P6 horseshit.
>>60732675
You need to be over 18 to post on this site.

>>60732663
>$700 CPU sure sounds like a median income budget to me
>'or whatever'? or what? what is it?
to clarify, I mean anything under a 1600X

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Israel is our greatest ally. if you have a problem with that you can get out

>>60732675
>Blubbering about MUH VIDYA in a HEDT thread
>>>/v/ is that way

M8 I don't even know what Intels line up is. AMD line up makes sense ryzen3, ryzen 5, ryzen 7, ryzen 9 (threadripper), then epyc.

Intel's line up sounds confusing as fuck with the x and i9 processors.

>>60732720
>Intel's line up sounds confusing as fuck with the x and i9 processors.
Because they pointlessly throwing SKUs in desperate attempt to compete with AMD. Fuck me they are selling rebranded HCC Xeons.

>>60732720
are you a retard ?
>Intel's line up sounds confusing as fuck with the x
Yes, literally retarded.

>>60732720
>Intel's line up sounds confusing as fuck with the x and i9 processors.
Not that I'd buy it, but you'd have to be pretty retarded not to understand 4 numbers

>>60732770
Atom
Celeron
Pentium
i3
i5
i7
i7E
i9
i7-X
Xeon

>>60732663
threadripper will be <$800 for the 16 core
screencap this

>>60732752
>>60732770
Intel produces overclockable and non overclockable processors on the same socket, With just an X to differentiate them. It is not only that but the nuder their processors features with every number change. Then you have to worry about the constant socket changes. Fuck man sorry for not keeping track of every time intel changes one letter or number in their processor line.

>>60732807
>Atom x5
>Atom x7

Also the old atom cores are now split into Celeron and pentium brand, varied with both two and four cores in both brands. Who the fuck thought new generations with dual core atoms was a good idea. They're only just usable with four cores.

>>60732919
Oh yeah I completely forgot about that. Intel's segmentation is pretty absurd at this point.

>>60732946
It gets worse with new bling-bling Xeons.

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>>60732899
>With just an X to differentiate them
You mean K?
X is high end for enthusiasts(350$ for 4core with 16 pci lines lol).

Really, putting toothpaste into X series was last straw for me.
I have money to pay for this overpriced shit, but at this point it's just disrespect. It's like intel actually trying to fuck customers as hard as possible. And spit at them after.

>>60731740
why does he look like he was just crying?

>>60731740
Just like how 2011 ended up with 2011-v3, motherboards will be marketed to specific chips, most likely.

>>60732976
He got wet and soggy.

>>60732210
>Vessel Only
>www.vessel.com
>... sadly we will be sunsetting the Vessel service at the end of this month (October 31 2016).

wtf happend are quad core processors having problems with running games, that they need to release more cores?????? 7700k is already 350€ where can i get the money to buy fucking more cores

>>60731740
I want to be Linus.

>>60733006
>running games
>HEDT thread
>>>/out/

>>60731740
RIPtel

>>60733006
1700 is $300.

>Kaby Lake X
Literally retarded.

>>60732638
this

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>>60731928
This is just how good computer and electrical engineers are at their jobs.

It's really a thankless profession; you get shit done and people say stupid shit like this

>neutered xeons
kek

Based AMD.

Bringing the pain to the corporate dick suckers. Transfering power back to the customer with superior options.

>>60733016
>rgbled threaderipper boards are totally not gaymur
kill yourself pretentious piece of indian shit

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kek, this is just amazing. Zen really caught Intel off guard. I remember Linus saying something along the lines that Intel would have something ready if AMD over delivered. Fuck, this is just great. Intel really needs to stop funding diversity garbage and get their shit together. Zen is already amazing in how it scales and AMD is having amazing yields. They're based enough to leave features like overclockability on every chip and fucking ECC on a consumer product. Zen+ will rip Intel a new asshole if they can get 8 cores on a CCX.

>>60733198
thread ripper procs are shitty dual die like the q6600

Intel already knows they have the superior product

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>>60733237
ADD MOAR BINGBUS :--------D

>>60731973
The guy that made the Ubuntu logo.

>>60731740
Cpus weren't rushed. Blame mobos manufacturers being lazy as fuck and not being able to keep up

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>>60733311
Go away Brian.

>>60731928
In this case the choice in CPU will determine the number of RAM slots that can be used, the number of PCI lanes available in huge ways.

If they make a motherboard with three PCI-e m.2 connectors and two full speed 16x PCI-e slots, plus a couple more PCI-e slots, some of the compatible processors for the socket will have enough PCI-e lanes to cover them and others won't, yet they have to make the board compatible with all of the processors.

The board might have eight DIMM slots, but with some of the compatible processors you can only use four of them.

If you spend on an expensive processor and cheap out on the mobo then you will probably lose half the features of the processor, and if you spend on an expensive mobo and cheap out on the processor then you will miss out on half the features of the mobo.

People will have to do a lot of reading and matching features before making purchases again, and that is pretty silly.

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please give us the money

>>60733311

I don't see how it's the motherboard manufacturers fault on this issue.

The CPUs are so fractured in capability, that the only thing they can do is offer motherboards built for specific processor groups. That is just shitty and consumes factory space instead of making one size fits all.

>>60732250
motherboard makers dont even make the cpu socket lmao

>>60733237
So more reason to buy? Q6600 was THE CPU before sandy.

>>60731740
PCIe lanes are identical at 44 on the higher-end SKUs (7940X+) Intel prepared specifically for Ryzen.
It's the lower-end (7820X-), that would have come regardless of whether Ryzen was a success, that are causing the headaches for motherboard manufacturers.
This mess was coming irrespective of Threadripper.

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>>60733441

>>60733494
It's an even bigger mess with the 12+ core CPUs that Intel basically decided to add in a panic move.

Intel seems to have really managed to fuck it up this time around with X299. Not only is the platform a fucking mess, but it's overpriced to all fuck as well. I bet AMD's cheapest 10C Threadripper is going to be in the $500-600 range and you'll get the full 64 PCIe lanes with quad channel support, meanwhile Intel wants to sell a 28 lane 8C CPU for $600 and asks for a whopping $1000 for 10C with 44 lanes. Intel's $600 CPU can't even fully feed 2 graphics cards even before you consider other shit like NVMe, what the fuck?

>>60733237
>thread ripper procs are shitty dual die like the q6600
Remember when AMD were touting their "true quad core" processors around Core 2 Quad time?

Yeah, they weren't as good as Core 2 Quad.

>>60731740
>thinking of getting one at launch
FUCKING WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT THOUGH?!

When are the 14, 16 & 18 cores i9 getting released?
Isn't it much later than 12 cores & lower?

>>60733590
I've had to warn multiple people (I hesitate to call Intel fanboys "people") about this, they said they'd "be careful" about launch issues. Trying to convince them to even look at Threadripper is impossible. Intel fanboys are cancer.

>>60732492
I thought that was obvious enough by now, judging by how much they climb to their single core performance in every single Ryzen thread.

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>>60733625
And then you look at this and realize their "massive advantage" is a drop in the bucket.

>>60733525
No. The 44 lanes allow for the maximum amount of possibilities regarding lane allocation.
When you have fewer, the "if-then"clauses start appearing. And that's the issue. It's a problem affecting the 7820X and below. SKUs that weren't created to respond to Ryzen.

Would Kaby Lake X be worth it if you can OC it to 5.2GHz and not need to delid or have an elaborate custom loop to cool it?

>>60731740
DELID THIS

>>60733776
It's normal Kaby Lake that's been stapled to an LGA2066 socket and given a 100mhz boost in clock speed for 20W more TDP and $100 more in price.
Not to mention that you have to buy a new expensive chipset motherboard to run it that you can't even use like half the features with.

Fuck no it's not worth it. Normal Kaby Lake has no problem getting to 5ghz on air anyway.

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>>60733170
>Praise the lord
>Avatar Keller, master of the CPUs
How this maddman actually can do it anon?

>>60733776
It would be worth it if Intel paid you to use it.

>>60733875
He moves from company to company, wrecking shit as he goes.

Seems more honest than he usually is, naming the Jew subliminarly.

Linus is getting more respect from me now.

>>60733776
Worth it compared to what? I wouldn't say Kaby Lake is worth it if you already have a remotely recent Intel quad core, I wouldn't even consider it if you have anything Haswell or newer. The limited extra performance just isn't worth the large sum required to do a full platform upgrade (CPU, mobo, DDR4 RAM).

If you have something really old, it may be worth considering, but I still see no reason to buy Kaby Lake X. Even if it clocks 200MHz higher, that won't really bring you anything at all in practice and comes with a more expensive motherboard with features you cannot use along with actually *losing* certain things mainstream Kaby Lake has, like the iGPU which can be useful either as an emergency contingent but also to drive multiple monitors, or for QuickSync or for VMs with GPU passthrough. There's just no way that Kaby Lake X makes any sense at all, if you want Kaby just buy the mainstream platform on Z270.

he's going for the 16-18 yr old nerd who just got a job demographic
I know a few because not that much older than them
they will learn but not after wasting their money on ARRR JEE BEE

>>60732615
Oh wow we share a name.

>>60733899
He actually made a video talking about something instead of being "goofy" or whatever.

>>60732976
It's a Canadian thing.

>>60733899
He tends to talk like that on the WAN show too rather than coming off as a salesman like in his usual videos.

>>60733776
There is one tiny group that may consider buying KL-X. People that want the opportunity to invest in an X299 CPU in the future, but don't want to in the interim.
Otherwise no.

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>>60733898
>Jim Keller
>Entire Intel R+D
And still can fuck their wifes... He's not from this world

>>60733875
He wasn't just observing wasn't he?

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>>60733237
>Delid this

>>60733991
If he watch me im goin full wet

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>>60732658
Everything you just said makes about as much sense as shooting up heroin through a penis vein.

>>60733978
I don't get how one guy can be so much better than every other microprocessor engineer

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>>60734086
Yer a wizard Jimmy

>>60732615
>Gabriel

What kind of middle name is that?

>>60734287
angels man

>Messed up standards
>Each motherboard has too many varying features
>Rushed so mobo manu's have to leave shit out like Thunderbolt
>Forces you into certain DDR configurations
>Forces you to use Intel SSD's for RAID 0 boot
>Have to pay extra for other RAID configs with special hardware key
>iGPU burned off and disabled
>Mayonaise for TIM
>Onboard NSA chip
>Has to be water cooled
>Intel says not to overclock
>Lacks PCIe lanes on lower chips
>Overheats and throttles like a mofo
>Requires a nuclear reactor to power them
>Even Linus shill see's through their bullshit
>$1999!

Intel are dead in the water.

>>60731928
>Im just curious what do mobo makers have to do with supporting the cpu ?

if you actually looked at the LGA 2066 platform for two seconds you wouldn't come across as a drooling retard.

> same socket
> 2ch vs. 4ch DDR4 depending on model
> 16 vs. 28 vs. 44 PCIe lanes depending on model
> fuckhuge TDP span once you realize that 16c/18c models will be in housefires territory
> 14c/16c/18c models probably haven't even been validated yet, much less actually made it to engineering samples for mobo makers to test actual power and signal characteristics of
> probably gonna be a fuckton of different BIOS versions required to deal with the quirks of all the different CPU models and steppings.

Mobo makers prefer not having to use every last CPU PCIe lane for AIB slots, since running lanes directly from the socket to various back-panel IO port controllers is a ton easier than burying PCIe 2.0 lanes all the way from the chipset under the slot lanes to the back.

But when one socket standards has to deal with CPUs with between 16 and 44 on-die lanes, they have to start making unpleasant compromises or accommodate the least common denominator.

SKL-X is shaping up to be a complete shit-show.

>>60733198
>Zen+ will rip Intel a new asshole if they can get 8 cores on a CCX.

8 cores is too many for a fully connected mesh. Zen+/2/whatever will be very lucky to have 6c CCXs and not just get three 4c CCXs per die.

>>60733331
In all honesty, posts like this are why I come to /g/

They're one in a thousand, but you can actually learn a thing or two.

>>60731740
Why on earth would anyone buy X299 over Threadripper?

christ those fucking mobos look 400+

>>60734317
>Has to be water cooled
Literally never said
>Intel says not to overclock
the 7700k if users are having bad temps
>Overheats and throttles like a mofo
We have no information on temps whatsoever
>Requires a nuclear reactor to power them
140 watts dude

Why gotta post bullshit? could've just out the lies cause everything else is true

>>60732250
motherboards shouldnt cost more than the cpu.
All a motherboard is is a breakout board for the cpu in the EXACT same way the $50 "arduino" is just a breakout board for the $2 atmel chips.

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>>60734641
>Has to be water cooled
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3198430/components/intels-core-i9-starts-a-bloody-battle-for-enthusiast-pcs.html

Well to be fair they're recommending it, still a big red flag for the potential TDP

>>60734471
Zen+ (not Zen2) will have a 6-core CCX, based on what AMD has been promising with their next-gen flagship (up to 48 cores for the SR3r2 socket, and we know that there is only enough room for 4 dies per SR3r2 PCB)

X299 looks like a mess. I'll just wait for X399.

>>60732573
>I've got 2 M.2 ports on my mobo and for whatever fucking reasons, if I use the 'wrong' one , it disables the sata ports
>this is a known thing in the manual too, so why even have two fucking ports then
Bandwidth for those SATA ports has to come from somewhere

>>60731740
>https://my.mixtape.moe/eauocy.webm
he looks like a recovering heroin addict now

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>>60734759

Never thought it would be Intel releasing the FX-9590 competitor for the dumbest processor ever made.

>>60734759
>they
>it's actually a journalist putting words in their mouths
they are just creating a liquid cooler, never did they say they recommend it

>>60734933
M.2 ports are used by chipset lanes

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>>60732341
>i5 on LGA 2066

literally what the fuck

>>60734989
I love this CPU
Fucking 220W TDP and clocked at 4.7 base 5.0 boost
no idea what vodoo magic they used to make these things able to reach this high frequencies but god damn do i admire it

>>60735486
It's not really voodoo magic, it's just a really fucking resilient architecture and manufacturing process that can take a fuckton of voltage, then binning the chips and selling the chips that can hit 5GHz on "reasonable" voltages.

>>60735486
Super-leaky binning, a fuckton of voltage, and the fact AMD chips have always been absolute tanks when it comes to core voltage.

Funnily enough the 8350Es could hit similar speeds with less voltage

>>60731740

Jesus christ those 299 motherboards are going to be buggy as fuck.

>>60735614
Fuck, the shitflinging will continue, but on the other side.

not even that interested in how the intel processors will perform. seems pretty much like more broadwell-e ding-bus'd together on 14nm. putting SoC features up as unlockable pretty much makes its presence negligible (and the fact that they're locking it to Intel SSDs is pathetic). really strange platform overall, ryzen/threadripper/ebyn are all pretty clearly targeted whereas i9/i7/i5/i3 now is choppy gradient, and bleeds heavily into the xeon segment. x299 having mixed dual/quad channel support, some pcie lanes cut off (some m2 won't be working some pcie slots cut off, blah blah blah) and the fact that IGP is also beaned on KL-X is going to make adoption a huge pain.

threadripper/ebyn will be very interesting.

Then again my Supermicro server board requires a key if you want to update the BIOS via IPMI or configure the raid interface!

>>60735882
The higher end CPU's are just LGA3647 Xeons that have quad channel memory on the LGA2066 socket. What really shocked me is that you can only use Intel PCIe SSD's for this new key option. I am sure someone will figure out how to crack that technology, and make it work with non Intel PCIe SSD's for CPU lane boot up in RAID 1, 5 or 10.

>>60732615
Why he have 3 first names?

>>60735980
>you can only use Intel PCIe SSD's
But he said it's only rumors now.

This is probably the worst Intel platform I've seen in my life. I really can't remember a worse one.

>>60736035
Itanium.

>>60736068
I have no experience with special snowflake server platforms so I can't really weigh in on that one.

I mean the platform failed, but what little knowledge I have of it seems to indicate the reason it failed was not to do with the platform itself being garbage.. but rather software incompatibility.

>>60735980
>I am sure someone will figure out how to crack that technology, and make it work with non Intel PCIe SSD's

wow, how convenient for the consumer to have a handy work around for a problem that shouldn't exist.

Thanks intel!

>>60735782

The shitflinging is a universal constant.

>>60736125
Better not falling back to some dirty hacks and pay a fair price - in the end it'd benefit the consumers. Intel will spend these money to design a new groundbreaking architecture like back in Core Duo times to crush and burn AMD once again.

>>60736185
yes mommy intel needs us now more than ever, we will not flinch!

This shit in the company is only happening because they don't have that Jew CEO anymore.

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>>60732675
>Who fucking cares about any of this shit because there certainly aren't any games that take advantage of this

literally every incel shill comment on /g/ ever

>>60731740
>when Intel sends you traps to your hotel instead of the usual treatment

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>>60731740
$100 raid 0 key
$THREE HUNDRE$DORRAAR raid 5 key

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Oh lord, they've ditched the Indium solder for kaby and skylake-x, they've got paste under the lid.

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>>60734819
:^)

YOU WILL RUE THE DAY YOU MADE THIS VIDEO GOYIM!

Well, my next cpu will be a Ryzen

>>60734086
every now and then a genius emerges in science to change everything.

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>>60731740

does anyone else want to nut in linus's ass?
that sock and crock wearing twink mofo deserves it.

>>60732481
I don't know if its fake. He wants cool enthusiast things that are simple, his business depends on successful computer bling installation. If Intel decided to making everything too complicated to be appealing to cashed-up manchildren, he's getting hurt no doubt. No more advertiser dollars, they've refocused on other segments who cbf paying.

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>>60734641
REMINDER
FROM COMPUTEX

Architecture-X is barely a real product to Intel, it's a platform to gouge 'enthusiasts', aka xxxtreme gaymers, youtubers and the vanity market in general, who are too stupid to buy xeons. It's no wonder that they shat the bed the second that some real competition with a sensible product stack finally showed up. Intel as a company have almost entirely given up on the idea of innovation and technological progress as a business model because it's run by a bunch of stupid kikes who aren't just greedy but unbelievably short-sighted.

>>60735472
"""""""""""upgrade path"""""""""""""

>>60736892
>who are too stupid to buy xeons
But xeons are literally the same processors for even higher prices

>>60736563
No, you get RAID0 for free*. It is the RAID1 key that's $100

>>60733511
Are.. are you serious?, Foxconn and LOTES makes the socket, Gigashite and Assuss does not

really surprised only Linus has said anything about this.

Gamer's Nexus has lost all their credibility if they don't touch this ludicrous intel software DLC shitshow

>300 usd to unlock RAID 1 and 5 support LMAO

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>>60736861
HA

>>60736861
lmfao it went down in IPC?

>>60737051
>He thinks manufacturing and designing are the same thing

>>60736700
>liking twinks
>ever

>>60734086
Because it's the natural order in business to hire idiots for managers. You'd think some companies would have learned by now since the 70's (Further Up the Organization.)

>>60737078
>he thinks they dont put in the actual socket last
>he actually has no idea how to make a motherboard

>>60734086
Jim Keller barely did anything with Ryzen. You're giving him credit he doesn't deserve.

>>60732675
muh gaymes

>>60737200

source?

>>60734086
>>60737200
You're both right and wrong. Keller didn't work on the chip personally, but he did put together the team who have.

>>60732615
>Married to a Ho

>>60731914
>literally has his cake and eats it too

>>60732225
standards for cpus will only gimp them

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>>60736861
>>60737067

dude, IPC has stayed the same since sandy bridge. They have just bumped the clock frequency 100MHz each year lmao

>>60737200
Keller will have my gratitude for the rest of my life because of his work on Athlon 64.

>>60737538
haha lol intel btfo

>>60734806
read what I wrote again more carefully.

A 12c successor die to Zeppelin could have either 2 CCXs with 6c each, or 3 CCXs with 4c each. 2 and 4 die combos of either style could still be 24c/48c, but the 2*6c variant would be better than the 3*4c one (bigger local L3 pools, less IF congestion) though substantially harder to engineer (bigger local L3 crossbars).

>>60732975
>It's like intel actually trying to fuck customers as hard as possible
this

>>60732404
I think you are on the wrong board.
Tech literacy is valued more than finance here.
>>>/biz/ is that way.

Even the poorest person who has greatly contributed to tech is valued more on /g/ than a tech illiterate person who makes money off of children.

Your mindset is cancerous to /g/ and as such your presence here is that of cancer.
Please remove yourself.

>>60737055
GN and Bitwit are covering Computex unlike Linus who barely covered stuff.

>>60737055
>Gamer's Nexus
>credibility
After that shit a few months ago,
they never had any to lose in the first place.

>>60731740
>being so autistic about youtubers making money while you dont so you have to rip off their video and upload a webm you link instead of linking their youtube vid.

kys my man

>>60738816
>After that shit a few months ago

What shit?

>>60738845
The GPU shit. Someone else can fill in the details more if you ask because i barely remember it as i don't care about gaymer review shit anymore since i won't be upgrading my PC for the next 4 or 5 years.

>>60738857
>im from reddit
>upboated

>>60738857

I'd be content with just a brief summary or if you could be more specific about what it was so that could search for it myself.

>>60738889
Sponsored benching cheating or using some company sponsored settings and/or switching settings for the competing brand.
They were figured out and a whole scandal ensued.

>>60738879
If only your butthurt could be more delicious.
Back to /v/ with you child.

>>60738889
upboated my fellow narwhal!

>even blatant intel shills are turning on their company now
I quite like it

>>60738920

What's a narwhal?

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>>60738966

>>60738970

So people on reddit call each other whales? Fascinating.

>>60738988
Not just whales anon, brony whales.

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>>60732374
He said that because he has previously made an overclocked, water-cooled server.

>>60739001
Why though?

>>60739009
To get views you idiot.
The problem is that he got positive views from retards, while he got negative views from anyone with tech literacy and whose opinions are valued.
Between money and dignity, Linus seeks the former and trades the later.

Ok, honest question: What the fuck would be the difference between getting a:
>bootable 2xNVMe SSD RAID 0 on regular m.2 mobo slots
and
>bootable 2xNVMe SSD RAID 0 on a pci-e vroc extension card

Like, seriously:
>both ways you can do raid 0
>both ways you can make it bootable
>both ways it's gonna be limited to 2x4 lanes

Neither way will there be a bottleneck unless you decide to clutter pci-e cpu lanes with sli cards; and as for the chipset lanes I have absolutely no idea how the fuck could you clutter/bottleneck those.

>>60731928
Did you see how Ryzen had launch issues because they didn't give motherboard makers enough time? It will be much much worse with intel's new platform.

>>60731826
AMD sponsored shill.

>>60739009
>>60739021
Overclocking = getting more throughput for your money.
Watercooling = Keeping the system cool.

I don't know what else to tell you.

>>60739061
>Overclocking = getting more throughput for your money.
You might want to do your monetary math a do-over because the system for overlocking in this case required cooling expenditures where you could have bought additional servers and/or components equating to more calculation power than what overclocking would get you.

>>60739074
In large server farms. But yes, >>60739061 is a fucking retard for defending it.
And only mild tweaks for 'personal'

>>60739118
It's not only cooling expenditures.

But you would also not have to calculate amortization decrease (hardware life expectancy shortening whether documented or state prescribed for financial records) if you just bought more hardware for the same money that would be wasted cooling to overclock.

Overclocking is really only good for home use and small-case situations. The whole watercooling thing was stupid. Amusing, but damn facepalm level stupid.

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>>60732341
Look at all those blank spaces.
Have they even made these CPUs yet?

>>60733186
Board partners just advertise shit that way to get more $$$ from idiots.

>>60739234
No.

>>60734519
Fanboys.

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>>60739049
Very funny

>>60736185
lol. Their new arch arriving in 2020-2021 is basically x86 with parts chopped off to make it run faster.

>>60736185
>core
>groundbreaking
Wow P6 with higher clocks.

>>60736495
>when Intel sends you the usual treatment to your hotel instead of traps

Fixed.

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>>60737538
IPC has improved over the years, just slowly.

>>60738834
It's a rip from Vessel before it was on Youtube.

>>60739459
>128MB L4
Kek, how about more apples to oranges?

>>60738749

>Being this jelly

Damn man just Kys

>>60739892
Money is something anyone can get into, the only question is whether you will do it through deceit by trading your reputation for it, or through skills in a honest manner.
Honest money is the toughest to get.

Linus has nothing i can't achieve if i want it.
3 months of applying my Chem knowledge in illegal ways would net me more than Linus wasted 10 years to make.

Linus on the other hand will never have 2 things that i possess:
- Education and skill-set in a reputable field of studies.
- A fit and healthy body that was trained since my teens under a Commie program.

>>60737398
>having the sense of humour of a nine year old

if you're adult I suggest self-evisceration

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Didn't Zen have the same Mobo and bios issues when it was released?

I would assume Intel will have to go through that growing period just as the new ryzen shit did.

>>60741997
And X99 had even worse issues on launch.

>>60741997
This has nothing to do with software issues, there are all physical issues Intel themselves made for segregation for a few $

It remains to be seen if Skylake-X will be a shithow with mobos like Broadwell-E was.

>>60739967
Hes like 28
Happily married
3 children
Two massive houses
Definitely serveal millions in personal assets
Loves waking up earning money with his hobby
His business is booming
Not ugly, charismatic, well spoken with a huge following. Pretty much will never ever fail unless he call someone a nigger.

You:
A loser
Poorfag
Bragging on 4chan
Fat fuck

>>60742090
He's 28 without an education past high-school;
he gets money by deceiving and lying to kids and banking on the lack of education and knowledge of people;
he begs for money for an office space online like he did for his storage space;
he married an Asian woman who is the uglier sister to an Asian co-worker he had in his previous job, because he can't get anything better;
he has an unhealthy appearance and no physical strength.

I, am someone who followed through on getting a higher education at the age when Linus gave up;
get my money honorably and legitimately without deceiving people or lying to them, purely from knowledge, and my career keeps improving and blooming;
have a cute white Slav gf who is an actual human unlike Linus's wife;
never begged online for money from people;
and have a fit and healthy body.

I'd say i am winning in this fight.

>>60742248
*tips fedora*

>>60742090

Still lives shitty life in front of computer like rest of us.

>>60742248
But who has more money?

>>60742275
If you think making money in an honest and upright fashio, compared to deceiving and lying to people makes one a fedora, then most people in this world wear fedoras.

Why don't you just become a criminal if you value money above the methods in which it is gained?
Criminals gain much more money than Linux in much less time.

That's why, i am referring you to >>>/biz/ for your cancerous mindset.

>>60742312
>start making illegal substances
>all of a sudden more money than Linus could ever dream of and droves of pussy selling itself to you for a fix
Easy stuff. Try it out anon.

>>60742331
>droves of pussy selling itself to you for a fix
Low quality. Enjoy your diseases.

>>60742248
>white
>slav

Try again

>>60742331
But linus does legal things

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>>60742351
Better an STD from a hot woman than fucking a Terra Formars roach monster who is clean i'd say.
We will have to agree to disagree.

>>60742358
By lying and deceit.
Nobody said lying and deceit can't be legal,
that's the basis of existence for the people you keep hating every day.
There are many bad things which were illegal in the past, and many things that don't deserve to be illegal today.

>>60742356
haplogroup J detected.

>>60742367
He has a wife and is happily married, with children.

None (NONE) of the pussy that can be had in drug related business is even close to gf tier. Broken, addicted individuals that cannot be trusted, and STDs up the wazoo.

Of course, if all you want is cheap sex then go for it.

>>60742367
>better an STD
>better
>STD
fucking bugcatchers

>>60742413
And i have a hot Slav gf who I am happy with and am lucky to have compared to a roach monster by Linus.

I am only suggesting you what you might like based on your philosophy about money if you value it that much in quantities over methods.

>>60742440
Wait, I thought you were the one valuing money over ethics, and just looking for cheap sex?

How many people are in this conversation anyway?

>>60742505
No. I am the one who said that i could use my education to get far more money than Linus, and also endless better looking pussy, if i decided to just to into the business of taking advantage of other people and went full-illegal (thought that's relative to some states/countries these days).

But i prefer never taking advantage of others, and doing everything legit and respectably.

The guy arguing me though thinks that money is all that matters, ergo methods and honesty don't, such that someone should be jealous for being legit over someone taking advantage of people for money.

>>60732545
gluing cpus is old and it always worked, intel used to glue 2 c2d into c2q and those were amazing, amd went 1 up and these cpus even communicate via IF, its no suprise INTEL is getting buttblasted, they didnt expect AMD to adopt this old design and improve it and totally smash them.

>>60742565
How does he take advantage of people?

By any measurable metrics he's objectively more successful than you.

The reasoning that you could be more successful than him by crimmitting crimes and that those crimes are the equivalent to him "making youtube videos" is hilarious.

>>60732079
/this

Linus looks like Machine Gun Kelly

>>60742769
>How does he take advantage of people?
He deceives and lies people for money. Banking on their lack of knowledge primarily.
He is not successful by any measure since he doesn't make money with a clear conscience and he takes advantage of people for it.

>The reasoning that you could be more successful than him by crimmitting crimes
Again, in this day illegal substances are getting legalized in countries so it's still relative on whether i would be a criminal.

If you say success by any measure, then i can be far more successful than Linus if i decided to throw principle out of the window.

The core of this discussion is that I have a clear conscience in how i make money, as i don't deceive, lie, or take advantage of people, ergo i have no reason to be jealous of Linus.
Are you jealous of criminals having more money and being more successful than you?
Because that's what you are arguing, that one should be jealous of other people irrespective of their methods. I say that's stupid.

>>60732237
wait wasnt he an nvdia shill ?

>>60742866
>i have no reason to be jealous of Linus
i mean you sound pretty jealous

>>60742877
Whatever he's selling, he's shilling.

>>60742911
I don't take advantage of kids and the less knowledgeable to make money.
If you believe someone should be jealous for not being a sociopath and stooping to that level, then that says more about you than me.
I stand by principles.

>>60742949
i'm not saying you should or shouldn't be jealous

i'm just saying you sound jealous

like really jealous

>>60739391
thank you

>>60742961
I make legit money without taking advantage of others, and my career can only go up over the years, even way over the level of Linus if i take it into the area of management.

The only reason we are having this discussion is because i am questioning your morals and mindsets when it comes to jealousy and what levels you take to in order to perceive it.

>>60742840
if you bought a kaby lake housefire think again, 2 years tops before those chips start to cook themselves

>>60743033
i mean you sure put a lot of effort into proving how not jealous you are of someone more successful than you

really sounds like the type of thing someone who isn't jealous would do

>>60732341
What is the point of both the i7-7740X and i5-7640X.

What use case is there for a HEDT 4c/4t and 4c/8t with no extra PCIE lanes?

>>60743090
Only thing I've seen is that you buy the crappy ones first then upgrade to the expensive ones later. Which seems kind of pointless.

>>60743074
How is he more successful if he takes advantage of other people for it and loses respect in the eyes of others?

If he was making all that money by legitimate knowledge and not taking advantage of people, i'd be jealous; however he isn't.

There is someone who i am jealous of, Steve Wozniak for example. Or Notch. Or may other examples.

>>60743235
That makes no sense for the HEDT market at all. People who buy into it are fucking whales that drop 5k at a clip.

>>60743240
>may other examples
And Linus

>>60743335
but that's the one he's most not jealous of at all

>>60732459
he does run a business. his chink wife is rich and he is pissy away her money. it is quite different from a business. even a venture capital backed startup pisses away money trying to develop a product, this guy cant even setup a switch.

>>60743418
>does
doesnt

AMD hasn't made anything good since socket A

>>60743418

>running a business makes spreading disinformation okay

>>60743505
Sure thing if you've got an exclusive license from G-d to do this and don't do this to your kindred licensee.

>$60,000 a month on pateron
>gets free shit
>got $400,000 for free by begging

HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT

HE WAS A WAGEKEK AND NOW HE'S A MILLIONAIRE

>>60743753
Exceptional shills .. er, salespeople can command very high salaries indeed.

>>60743335
Linus takes advantage of people for money and doesn't get it by skill though?
Wozniak made a computer and programs.
Notch is a programmer.
Many others have skill-sets that made them rich and successful.

Linus takes advantage of kids and less knowledgeable.

If i was a criminal and made more money, you would say i was more successful.
I'd still disagree with your because it's not honest success, it's taking advantage of others.

>>60743805
Linus is naturally talented.

>>60743856
In taking advantage of kids and the less knowledgeable, just like many frauds are.

Thankfully this board is called "Technology" and not "Business", and we prefer people who get successful from tech skills and not fraud.
So you are the cancer on this board i guess?

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Guys...

It’s starting to show.

What is he going to do?

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>>60743982
>starting
It has been there for a while.

>mfw I've been balding since middle school
I'm lucky I even have hair at 26.

>>60743982
Statham is the answer.
But Linus has a ratty face and looks like an atrophied faggot, so there is no help for him.

>>60743805
But marketing is in no way a criminal activity, moreover it's one of the pillars of any business. The entrepreneurship is what made the West rich and attractive, and allowed you not to rot in your Slav shithole but to boast about your successful and "pure" career.

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>>60743982
>>60743997

>>60744020
Taking advantage of people is not criminal in many cases. Still doesn't change the fact that it's taking advantage, and worse when it is taking advantage of kids.

You think the law is the final say on principle and morals, what would you have argued then when slavery was not criminal and was perfectly legal?

>>60744020
>people used to do stupid shit to make you rich, so you shouldn't strive to make riches by doing better than them and not being a shit person at the same time
You need a psychologist m8.

>>60744020
False advertising is a criminal offense.
It's just that the Internet hasn't yet kept up with the material economics when it comes to quality standards and economic regulation.

>>60744059
I bet you're employed by some capitalist sharks that used and continue to use any opportunity to take advantage of people and maybe also kids and yet you dare to virtue signal here saying how you're not a part of all this.

>>60744230
I'm not though, and i don't.
The studies i finished enable me to create new wealth for society as a whole, through production.

Linus on the other hands doesn't create new wealth for society as a whole, he shifts existing wealth, and he takes advantage of children and the less knowledgeable to do it.

You are bad at this.

>>60743805
>>60743933
>>60744059
>>60744268

oh my god this guy is still going on about how not jealous he is, this is great

>>60744288
You are still supporting a person who takes advantage of kids to make money; on a board where people who create technology, whether software or hardware, are respected.

>>60743997
I'm 19 and you could land a 747 in space between my eyebrows and hairline, and every year since about 15 it's been growing

>>60744329
dude i barely even know who linus is, i just find it hilarious how hard you're trying to prove you aren't jealous of him

like if you wanna jack off over how not jealous you are go ahead, you don't have to drag us into it lmao

>>60744367
I don't know how to define a person who entertains the thought that taking advantage of kids and less knowledgeable people should be an object of jealousy, except as cancer. I'm not even saying this ironically, it truly does make you cancer as a person.

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>>60744397
i always thought these guys were pretty bad for how much they took advantage of kids too desu i mean that's the real crime here

>>60731740
>Linus is a stupid intel shill that can only read specs off the box
>Linus confirms X299 launch will be a mess

>>60744419
Those guys don't deceive or lie to kids to get their money though.

>>60744432
yeah they did, didn't you see the episode where they were like "we're gonna show you an awesome video" and then it was just some flowers in the breeze or some shit and then tinky winky was all like "send me your fukken money kids" it was all over the news

>>60744431
He's smart enough to know when Intel is jewing the shit out of consumers and making dumb panic moves. He talked to motherboard maker reps on the showroom floor. Think he's got a bit of a better idea than "Guy who sits on his ass and shitposts on mongolian basketweaving forum all day".

>>60744448
I guess you don't like flowers in the shows you watch anon.

>>60744502
fuck no that shit's bullshit show me some fuckin robots like tearing apart cars or some shit like that

>>60744528
Watch Megas XLR then you fucking nigger.

>>60744544
Don't bring Megas into shitposting, Megas is fucking awesome and probably one of the few good animations that the West made.

>>60744561
I know. The day Cartoon Network decided to scrap it after the management change is the day someone should have bombed the CN HQ.

>>60732341
Intel 16c/32t: $1699
Amd 16c/32t: $849

You would have to be iToddler level brand fag to still choose intel in 2017.

>>60733875
Jim Keller, Shit Wrecker

>>60732341
>those prices
Jesus Christ Intel just went full retard.

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>>60745861
Don't forget the circumcision-er, delidding tool, goy!

>x299 < x399

bigger numbers always win

>>60746066
why do they have such similar names? what the fuck?

>>60746135
Shady marketing practice. AMD is deliberately using the B350 and X399 nomenclature for their chipsets to deceive the public into believing that their chipsets represents the latest generation Intel technologies and features.

>>60746135
Member P-rating? AMD laughs at Intel again.

>>60746224
But they are a generation ahead of Intel's technologies and features.

>>60746382
says the literal shill

even in the most contrived benchmark running blender with quadfire rx vega it only had like 40% cpu usage. the average user doesn't need 32 threads

>>60746416
Do you even know what Blender does, cocklips? It eats as many cores and threads as you can throw at it. https://youtu.be/NeuamYdfU4w?t=16m

>>60746449
as if intel can't render just as fast lmfao

>>60746631
Yeah, their $2000 several month late 18 core binned Xeon abortion will certianly compete and finish at almost the same speed, while running much hotter. Woohoo.

>>60746685
Meanwhile TR 16 core is rumored to cost less than $1000, lol.

>>60746685
>>60746700
kill yourself

amd is making a big mistake by pricing their HEDT too low, a normal consumer will buy a 4-8 core cpu, HEDT is incredibly niche, amd is cannibalizing itself business wise yet again

>>60746861
TR competes with nothing in AMD's lineup, they're not cannibalizing anything