/fglt/ - Friendly GNU/Linux Thread

What file browser/manager do you use?

>>60716147
PCManFM

>>60716147
Nautilus

What tiling WM should I use to replace Kwin besides i3.

>>60716147
wine explorer.exe

>>60716196
sway

>>60716196
bspwm

>>60716196
Awesome

>>60716147
gentoo

>>60716196
dwm

lol, only gayboys don't use Thunar

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>>60716147
coreutils

>>60716286
There is literally nothing from with liking dick.

>>60716328
Yeah but there's also nothing gay about liking dicks either.

I said "gayboys" not dick lickers.

How do I install Icecat version 52.0.2 (Ubuntu)?

I have been running it from an executable while I have the package installed (an earlier version)

But it's buggy as shit. How do I update my icecat package?

>>60716361
sudo apt-get install icecat?

>>60716378

I already have it installed and appearently it is at the latest version (version 32.x.x)

But I know it isn't the latest version since you can get version 52.0.2 from the GNU FTP server and I've been using it

>>60716392
>download source
>make && make install

>>60716196
How would you even do that with KDE 5?

>>60716424

do I have to uninstall the current icecat package?

>>60716361
add trisquel repo, limit apt to just use that package

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My fonts in Chromium decided to be italic all of a sudden. Anyone have any ideas on how I could fix it? I've tried deleting ~/.config/chromium and restoring Chromium to default settings.

>>60716485

So where do I get the trisquel repo? All the FTP server has is a compiled icecat directory in a tar.gz

>>60716501
>chromium
found the problem

>>60716286
I picked Thunar because of you

>>60716533
> http://tar.gz/
neat

>>60716501
ayyy pizza mama

Did you check the font settings on both Chromium and on your system? Might have to set them manually to fix it.

>>60716550
What did you mean by this?

>>60716147
Ranger.
>>60716309
What I look like while using it.

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What are some cool terminal commands?

>>60716567
Nothing is set to be italic anywhere

>>60716621

kill -9 1

>>60716621
sudo !!

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/g/uys? help???
Just installed arch linux on my new PC with ryzen 1700 CPU and I get pic related at IDLE
Help???

>>60716621

w3m >>60716086

>>60716767
moot, what the hell

>>60716733
This is useless without a list of active processes

>>60716621

man cups

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>>60716818
I panicked!
hm... it seems that problem is with gnome
Now I'm in gnome-classic mode and it looks OK

>>60716874

man dpkg

Why do I keep getting "Not a directory." I get it when trying to go to /etc/pacman.conf and also when trying to get to the first C source file I wrote.

>>60716919
Are you doing

cd /etc/pacman.conf

? It's because it's not a directory, it's a file. You either cd into /etc/ or directly open the file (for example with vim

vim /etc/pacman.conf

.

>>60716874
>No manual entry for cups

>>60716879

>>60716919
Nobody knows what the hell you're asking dude.

What the hell do you mean "when trying to go to /etc/pacman.conf"
Trying to go to it in what? What file browser? In a terminal? In some other GUI?
>when trying to get to the first C source file
Get to it in what? Just cd? Trying to open it in an editor? cat?

WHERE are you seeing "not a directory"? In your terminal? In an error log file? In a pop-up window?

Jesus. You'd think you'd clarify a bit more after people ignored you the first time

>>60717013
Stay friendly

>>60717005
You need to force your way into

man cups

.

>>60717013
I thought it was obvious that I was talking about the terminal and I was using the cd command.

>>60716919
>can wrote in C
>can't cd properly
is this new meme?

>>60716733
>>60716879
Jeez Louis...
I guess I won't be able to use normal session of GNOME
what a shame

>>60716919
pacman.conf is a file
pacman.d is a folder

>wine can't play my shitty rpgmaker h-games
put it in the trash

>>60717144
Stop playing game.

Arch crashes to a black screen regularly. 2-3 times daily.
Have to hard boot to recover. How can I diagnose the issue?

>>60717236
logs

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>tfw literally just back from his lecture

comfy as hell /g/, much more chill and funny than I thought he would be.

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>>60717204
No

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>>60717293

>>60717144
it's always hit and miss for me. but have gotten some to work. just install the right requirements to a new wine instance

>>60717236
>>60717241 consult journalctl

>>60717293
never been close to a talk. can't make the trek out to the east coast in the near future. keeping track of his schedule just in case.

soooooo how do I hack freetype to make font glyphs darker/bolder?

>>60717293
>brazil

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>>60717144
>>60717304
get up to here. can never fix the janky font.
could make a small how-to, if i figured out how to fix fonts

Why isn't there a control panel for installing/uninstalling apps?
why do I have to sudo apt-get remove (APP NAME) except (APPNAME) is somethings not (APPNAME) but (APPNAMEx) instead. HOW are you suppose to know that?

>>60717643
experience

>>60717643
>apt-get
You mean apt. Pretty much any modern Debian-based distro just links the old apt-get and related commands to apt now.

>control panel
Your OS probably has a GUI, if nothing else, any Debian-based distro should have synaptic which is great at doing what you want.

>>60717643

apt search [what you think is part of the name]

There's also a whole lot of GUI "app store"-type things out there.

I installed Ubuntu 17.04 today and everything works except Infinality, any alternatives?

>>60717543
yes, brazil. was pretty surprised when I found out, specially because it was in my university at my campus, so I literally left my class, waited a bit and went in there

Is there any way to change the background image with i3lock after it's ran? I'm trying to do something like

i3lock -i "bg.png"
sleep 5
i3lock -i "bg2.png"

hey /g/, so I got my ham technicians license and a baofeng a while ago and wanted to get more into the desktop amateur radio side of things. i do already have some experience with linux

i looked at https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Amateur_radio#Software_list and there is a lot of different stuff out there. i know i should probably try it all and see what i like, but its a lot. if youre into amateur radio, what do you personally use? i like the idea of a logger if it could show me the data in an interesting way, but im not even sure what else i would really want

>can't change Dolphin file manager's theme without installing plasma

what the fuck

>>60717989
edit the config file

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So I want to make a bunch of shitty short paint animations of shitting frogs and stuff. I'm using Pinta to create individual frames. What's a program that will allow me to easily put them together into a single, playable video? I'm running Debian. Thanks.

>>60718117
You can use GIMP to make a gif. Basically file -> open as layers, select all of your frames. Then export as GIF, check as animation, set frame delay to something like 33 for 30fps (33ms). You can optionally rename specific layers to be like "Layer 1 (200 ms)" and that one frame will last for 200ms while other frames will use the delay in the export options. For videos, I dunno.

>>60718171
Needs to be a webm or mp4. The site I'll be uploading them to has a restriction on most formats, including gif, of a couple of MB. The same restriction doesn't apply to the formats mentioned above.

>>60718205
Hmm, okay. Perhaps look into ffmpeg, it might be able to do something like that.

>>60718223
Ok, thanks.

>>60718226
Yeah actually check this out: https://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/Slideshow

>hey xubuntu looks nic-
>see the menu
Back to elementary OS

on windows, I can copy the URL of an image an paste it when uploading a picture on 4chan.
the image will be downloaded to a random folder in the system and then selected to be uploaded.
can I do this on linux? I don't want to manually save the pictures every time I want to upload them.

>>60718375
when I used xfce, I didn't like the mouse

>>60718398
I meant the start menu!

>>60718376
linux btfo

>>60715935
you are retarded.
ubuntu and debian's binary packages are just a sh script and a tar file with absolute paths packaged as .deb

>>60718376
4chanX

>>60718577
I'm not autistic to use 4chanx

>>60718645
You were autistic enough to install Linux.

>>60716147
nautilus

>>60718987
>>60716176
Why nautilus over nemo?

>>60716147
I use CLI and then Thunar like once a month when I have a reason to use a file manager.

Stupid question here
If I install a package from a 3rd party repo and it's installed somewhere I don't want, will moving it to/opt break the program? If I try to update the program will it know where it's new location is?

>>60719556
Answer to both of your questions is it depends on the details of the software.
There is nothing tracking it, if that's what you're wondering, unless the software itself installed its own method of tracking/updating itself (like how windows systems usually have 50 background services running just to check for updates on individual software)
or if the installer/updater is intelligent enough to go hunting your system in a few key locations to see if you moved it.

Once you're using software outside the package manager, you and your software are on your own really

>>60719556
>>60719682
Oh crap, sorry I thought you were asking about installing software manually

but you said 3rd party repo.
Even from 3rd party repos it should treat it just like any other package from its own repos.

But yeah, just going in and moving the install location will make it so your package manager doesn't know where it is.
It might still work (depending on the software) but it won't receive any updates or anything

>>60719729
Thanks.

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How do I install ubuntu with a custom partition scheme, with /home folder on different harddrive and full disk encryption? (well /boot may not be encrypted to make it easier)

>>60720038
Just use the partition manager in the installer. What part aren't you getting?

>>60720202
>What part aren't you getting?
That the partition manager has no option to encrypt your shit

>>60716086
friendly font pasta
http://ix.io/w6A

>>60717751
yes but afaik ubuntu is still uses old freetype so you're better of using ubuntu's default font set up

>>60718117
shotcut

>>60720038
by selecting Something else in the installer

Arch user here but quell the memes for now. I'm going to lose my fucking mind.
Setting up Wacom devices (specifically intuos4, if that matters) on... Arch, presumably, is incredibly infuriating. I've gone through 3 different "guides", one tells me how to change things manually through xsetwacom (I got some distance with that but where the FUCK are the button id dumps?), one told me to download a bunch of python scripts by this one guy who doesn't maintain his packages (and as such the mirror(s?) is down), and the last guide just told me I had to use Ubuntu and "it'd work".

I obviously checked the Arch wiki first. That barely fucking helped - the page is so strewn about, and talks about deprecated shit in pretty much every chunk.

I'm going fucking crazy here, lads. What do I do? I'm starting to think I should just hack together the way Wacom's Windows GUI programs are, because the one I used for GNU slash Blinux doesn't even do anything, and the package is "out of date".

Fuck me.

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>>60720224
Hmmm, Arch is poorly documented? Color me surprised.
The "Ubuntu Just Werks (tm)" meme is a meme for a reason you know.

>>60720224
did you check the aur for wacom

>>60720250
In my experience, everything else I've encountered on Arch, in terms of documentation, has been thoroughly adequate, and I have been able to configure those other needs at least within 5 minutes. This Wacom shit has taken me over an actual hour to sift through and try to figure out.

I think it's just the fact that Wacom is trash - I recall, on Windows, it was trash as well. The service mucking up constantly, having to restart it, or restart the computer to get functionality out of it. I'd like to BELIEVE Wacom just sucks.

>>60720220
>friendly font pasta http://ix.io/w6A
the importent question is did bohoomil died???????????

>>60720255
I did check the aur for wacom. At first, I tried downloading as many as I could. It auto-resolved conflicts, and I cancelled to check the packages once more, selected proper ones, and confirmed.
wacom-config, all the libs required as well, and I tried intuos4-config (I think that's the name? Not at computer anymore, laying down in bed) and that's the one that was deprecated, if I recall correctly.

But to sum it up, yes, yes I did check the aur. Extensively.

Anyone using Arch with an Nvidia GPU and using Nouveau?

I am getting kernel panics. Using the LTS kernel doesn't help, which I assume has to do with another package that has been updated recently. Other distributions and Windows works, so it's not a hardware issue. It works with the proprietary driver.
My GPU is a GT 630.

>>60720456
you could try linux-zen

>>60717144
Use an older Wine version, one of the recent releases broke RPGMaker games.

>>60717636
Installing Japanese MS Fonts would make it at least readable.

>>60720874
If he's able to actually change the font then it would probably be best to go with a font that's actually _designed_ for such tiny character sizes

One that's pretty good is "pixelMPlus" it's a Japanese font designed for 10px and 12px sizes

anyone familiar with firejail?
i want to be able to access a mount made in my home, but using --overlay, the mountpoint shows up as owned by root with 700 permissions, making it inaccessible. outside of the sandbox it's owned by my user with 777 permissions
i have been unable to find any useful information about relaxing restrictions on a mountpoint, assuming that is what is causing the difference

>>60721093
From all the fonts I tried (which didn't include your suggestion) MSGothic gave the best results.

>>60716441

By not being a meme idiot who gets all his knowledge from g memes for starters.
You can use any window manager with any environment (under X). But obviously people don't know that here and they keep perpetuating myths and wrong information.

>>60721188
Your mom is a meme idiot faggot

>>60721199

At least my mom knows how to use a different window manager under KDE Plasma.

>>60721225
I doubt it

>>60721231

My mom uses a highly eclectic environment consisting of Openbox as the window manager, LXPanel for the taskbar, xfce4-terminal as a terminal emulator, Nemo as a file manager and other minor utilities.

/g/, i decided to make the switch, by completely wiping my hdd and installing mint

i wanted to get into game dev but realized unity doesnt work, neither does unreal and source engine is windows only for the most part.

how the fuck do i install windows as a dual boot option?

>>60721154
Now that I think about it MSPGothic should also be hand designed for tiny sizes as well since it has embedded bitmaps.

Strange that it didn't completely solve the issue though. Maybe the game is trying to run the fonts in bold causing the fonts to be artificially emboldened, which usually looks ugly. You'd probably need a bitmap font that actually has an actual bold version.
I used to have a Japanese font like that, but I'm not sure what happened to it.

>>60721154
>>60721278
Or actually, how are you setting the font that the game uses?

Is it going through fontconfig? Because if so you might be able to tell fontconfig to force bold to be disabled

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>>60721278
I didn't bother trying to improve it further when I got to this.

>>60721298
Font overwrites in Wine

Does anyone have experience of NixOS? What is it like?

>>60721326
I've been trying it for the past few days, so that's something. Not sure if I'd call myself experienced though.

Just using it on my laptop right now, testing the waters and trying to work up the nerve to install it on my desktop machine

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>>60716733
>>60716879
There was nothing to worry about all along...
I only had to install graphics drivers.

>>60721344
>There was nothing to worry about all along...
>I only had to install graphics drivers.
Oh, come on

>>60721342
How much is in the repos? All the languages, programs and libraries you'd need?

>>60721374
Pretty much. But you can see for yourself here if something is available or not:
https://nixos.org/nixos/packages.html

One thing to note is if you have any of your own custom bash or python scripts or whatever that you would want to use with nixOS is you'd have to change the
>#!/usr/bin/python
to
>#!/usr/bin/env python

>languages libraries
I haven't really used it for any compiling or development. Just your everday stuff like firefox, mpv, etc.
I did test Steam out and it was able to run CS:S on my shitty laptop, so I guess that's pretty promising.

>>60721481

Why do you think that it would perform differently when "compiling or developing" than any other distribution? Or any other thing that you can do with the same software on another distribution?

>>60721541
I wasn't talking about performance. He was asking about availability of tools and libraries. I was pointing out that I haven't explored that since I haven't used them.

>>60717907
Put the first i3lock command into the background before sleeping, e.g.

i3lock -c ff0000 &

sleep 3
pkill i3lock

i3lock -c 00ff00

>>60721481
Why not creating a symlink once instead of changing a shebang more than twice?

>>60721273
prepare a partition for windows with gparted
install windows
refresh™ grub

>>60721721
>install windows
Friendly thread.

>>60721667
>Why not creating a symlink
A symlink can't pass "python" into env as a parameter. Not sure if you can create a fake /usr/bin/python script that will somehow run "/usr/bin/env python" correctly though
and you definitely don't want to symlink directly to python either because of the whole hashing system that nix uses, the path might change if the environment changes or python gets updated.

What's your todo solution? Do you use any comfy scripts/programs to manage your quick notes?

>>60721744
I use LibreOffice Writer to take notes and watch it crash mid sentence while my laptop prompts me to log back in again

>>60721744
echo 'replace unrar with unar' >> ~/.todo

>>60721786

But you can't delete or edit notes that way.
There's nothing wrong with using a simple text editor to do it.

>>60721814
>But you can't delete or edit notes that way.
But I'd only ever want to edit or delete todo items if I got shit done. I basically chmod my todo lists 200.

gentoo wiki has probably the most thorough entries of them all.
If not gentoomen I'd be fucking lost and I never even used it.

>>60721744
Look into org-mode for Emacs.

>>60721786
> .todo
what are you hiding?

>>60722348
>memes/dont click/.please dont click/.not porn/porn

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>>60721744
I present you the perfect todo-list; just some of its features:

- modular
- minimal
- lightweight
- feature-rich
- pattern matching
- auto completition
- free as in freedom
- add, edit and remove entries on-the-fly

Source:

# list entries
ls ~/todo
# list specific entries
ls ~/todo/hack*
# add new entry
touch ~/todo/hack-planet
# add another entry
touch ~/todo/fix-something
# remove existing entry
rm ~/todo/hack-planet

>>60721744
echo "do xyz" >> /tmp/todo
or vim /tmp/todo

On Arch, cmus doesn't show any mp3 files. flac and wav show and play fine. Do I need to install any other packages for playing mp3s?

>>60722440
>Arch
nice, I'm also using Arch

So I finally fucking got thunar to generate thumbnails in NixOS (it just werks if you have xfce enabled)
But now I can't get it to work for video thumbnails. I have ffmpeg, ffmpegthumbnailer, and ffmpegthumbs installed and still no dice.

>>60722447
me too, and cmus recognizes my mp3. that's weird.....

I updated to Debian testing but now my grub has 2 debians!!! Which debian am I supposed to use? I want to switch to sid but i heard I'm meant to update to testing first

>>60722651
>now my grub has 2 debians!!! Which debian am I supposed to use?
>I want to switch to sid
protip: don't

>>60722726
Are you saying I shouldn't because you think I'm stupid? Or some other reason

>>60722737
i'm saying sid is called unstable for a reason, if you have to ask about something like two entries in grub, you'll likely run into much worse problems in sid
it's for people who have no issue with running into problems

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Arch or Debian? Debian or Devuan?

>>60723213
debian
devuan

>>60723213
>Arch or Debian?
Debian
>Debian or Devuan?
Devuan

>>60723236
>>60723294
Thanks lads

Does i3 not have a bunch of configured layouts that it will put everything in? Also if it does how do I use it.

How can i see buildflags of Ubuntu packages?

>>60723498
No it doesn't

>>60723595
Well shit that annoys me. Is there an option to create some?

https://www.archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/linux-hardened/

Is it good?

Give me one reason to use something other than Kali linux as my every day browser.

>>60723618
Kali was always meant to be used as a livecd.
It's literally ubuntu image with a bunch of tools packaged for it and a different wallpaper.

So you need these tools, you whip out the USB drive, plug it in, do your work and put it back in your backpack.

>>60723618
systemd
>>60723636
not an argument, kali would work like any other distro, with a correct setup

>>60723618
You will look like a dork.

>>60723636
You're a faggot parrot.
First off, Kali is Debian based. It also isn't a ubuntu image with a bunch of tools; there are many other changes like a patched kernel in order to make the provided tools actally work.

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>>60723618
because Kali Linux is a poser distro for le 1337 haxxorz

>>60723618
Black arch have more tools.

>>60723751
black arch is a meme, just look at their website

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don't make me a new thread faggots!

>>60723765
I want to use the distro, not the site.

i need windows but i'd like to use a vm on one of my monitors in full screen, with i3.

i really liked i3 so i think if this is possible it would be nice.

what vm is best? i want a clean one, as i'm also going to rice it.

>>60724027
You should run Windows in a VM and GNU/Linux as host.

>>60724052
i need max performance from windows senpai
i vidya

>>60724124
https://youtu.be/37D2bRsthfI

Use templeos

>>60724155
no

>>60724420
I bet you glow in the dark when I run you over.

>>60724146
really cannot bother with errors or any other problem right now. also ive got my current cosy widows setup ready. I don't need ;inux as host anyway.

>>60724027
>>>/g/sqt/

>KDE 5.10 still not on Gentoo's repos

What's taking them so long? It's usually swiftly updated.

So I'm no longer able to manually mount a usb flash drive, keep getting an error about a possible bad superblock. I tried zeroing it out with dd but the problem persists. It's borked on a hardware level, isn't it?

I have Ubuntu dual-booting with Windows 8.1 on my ThinkPad X220 Tablet.
My problem is that whenever I boot into Ubuntu, the screen is rotated to the right. This never happened before the one day where I used the screen rotation button on the ThinkPad, but now it happens every time I boot up and I have to use the rotation button to fix it.
Does /fglt/ have any solutions for me?

>>60716621
!48

>>60725325
I had a similiar problem with a SD-card but it worked flawlessly in a different PC.

I installed Linux mint ciammon ironically and set an 10gb partition on my ssd. I'm really liking it high, so much more usable than kde or mate or xfce and much prettier too.

>>60725566
I wouldn't say it works flawlessly on my other PC's but it does work even though it seems to be missing a chunk of space.

How can we solve the systemd problem? And with systemd problem I actually mean the wide acceptance of it.

>>60725862
Fork it and make it better

I'm new to linux. Is there a way to make the programs i minimize go to the taskbar? I'm using Ubuntu Gnome. They just disappear and i have to press super/windows key.

>>60726037
Don't use Ubuntu, use Linux Mint.

>>60726080
Thanks. I will try it man.

>>60726080
Can't tell if troll or actual retard.
>>60726156
Just don't.

>>60726165
Don't be an asshole to the noob, Linux Mint is Ubuntu but with a DE that isn't garbage.

>>60726236
KDE, Xfce, LXDE, MATE, Budgie are all garbage?

>>60725862
Start using alternatives.

The problem isn't systemd itself but how it encroached other software around it within short period of time and rendered it unusable if not used with systemd and how the user community just accepted is as a given and labeled everyone who disagreed with it being a "lunatic".

>>60726343
Ubuntu doesn't come with those, Ubuntu's spinoffs do and Linux Mint is basically a spin-off.

>>60722421
Also
# install
mkdir ~/todo
# uninstall
rm -rf ~/todo
# uninstall, preserving user data
echo 'Uninstallation failed due to a domain policy conflict! Please contact your system administrator.'

Is there any other distro + DE than Ubuntu with Unity that achieves a working global menu?

I love XFCE but the global menu plugin for it is buggy as shit

>>60726236
>>60726343
Which ubuntu version is closer to windows? It doesn't need to be lightweight.

>>60726452
Linux Mint if you want something closer to Windows XP style

KDE Neon if you want something closer to Windows 10 style

>>60726414
Ubuntu comes with those, they are just not preinstalled in a standard installation.

>>60726510
So it doesn't come with those, you fucking dunce.

>>60726524
It does if it's in the official repos.
It does not if it's just in some PPA

>>60726543
Retarded reasoning, if it's not installed by default, then it doesn't come with it only an option to install it.

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>>60726236

>>60725862
I don't know, man. Without deep political changes, there are going to be huge budgets fuelling the development and promotion of things like systemd. That doesn't seem likely to change for the next few years at least.

>>60726348
Of course we can and should use alternatives (if you'll excuse the word), but that probably won't stop its adoption by major communities. How can systemd detractors manage to look less lunatic than its proponents, and to keep arguing and not looking like lunatics, after months of flame wars? That would be how to stop its spreading.

>>60725899
Misses the point. We already had plenty of software that was better than systemd and that didn't stop it.

>>60726570
>they don't care about copyright and license issues

This is a huge pro for the user, nothing like giving someone a bad first taste then requiring them to connect their laptop via ethernet to install proprietary wifi firmware then making them install proprietary codecs just so they can watch some dvd's

>>60726565
>only an option to install it.
So, same shit as selecting somthing during the installation wizard.

>>60726655
Except you can't choose your DE at the installation wizard unless you're using Antergos. But we're talking about Ubuntu here.

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>>60723608
bump

>>60726743
Check the forums. What do you need a hardened kernel for? Running a server or is it just tinfoil?

https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=226233

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>>60726579
>How can systemd detractors manage to look less lunatic than its proponents, and to keep arguing and not looking like lunatics, after months of flame wars?
There's nothing you can't do. Proponents of not-letting-redhat-control-your-OS are a minority and in the open source world if you have the majority on your side you win. systemD does some things right, if it didn't it wouldn't be adopted. systemd sticked like the proverbial shit to the wall and since upgrade to systemd for a vast majority of users went smooth compared to previous attempts at adoption redhat's technology (pulseaudio) any argument against it will get drowned in the sea of "werks for me u fuken neckbeard".

I have the impression that people treat RedHat and what redhat does to the world of GNU/Linux like a taboo.
Don't talk about redhat, don't criticize redhat otherwise they'll break your toys and go play with someone else.

I think the mission should orient around preaching project like Devuan which don't run around in amok yelling at people "systemd SUX use this pls" but rather came with an ideology (init freedom) that adopts a "celebrate diversity, monopoly/monoculture" in technology does more wrong than it does good approach to the problem and says "here's an EASY to use alternative if you used Debian/Ubuntu before"

Look at gentoo vs funtoo. Gentoo uses openRC as default but it allows the user to easily install systemd if the user insist on doing that. Most wiki articles have "openRC way of doing X" and "systemd way of doing X" for both groups. No group is excluded despite systemd users of gentoo being the minority.. Funtoo on the other hand was forked from gentoo because the gentoo developer despises systemd and does not wish to support a distribution that comes with it. It creates an atmosphere of hostility.

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>>60726800
>What do you need a hardened kernel for?
Nice try NSA :^)

>>60726579
i guess flame wars are actually the biggest problem
sspecially retards spreading memes like
>NSA
>backdoors
>lol poettering
>enjoy ur botnet
which leads to
>but systemd is free software
>paranoid fagget

and at this point we loose the focus on the real problem: programs should work with ANY init system

so instead of
>use distro X, it doesn't have the systemd cancer
people should say something different, more educational that doesn't make them look like tryhard tinfoil memers

>>60726610
You are getting some things mixed up here.

Firstly, what you describe is what distros like ubuntu do: installing software, free or proprietary, by default and without educating the user about the difference. What the screenshot denounces is a different matter altogether: distributing software in ways that can get people in legal trouble.

Secondly, you are seeing a false dichotomy. You argue for a user-friendly start, and quite rightly so, but the ubuntu way and the straight-edge free-software-only way aren't the only options. There's nothing stopping an OS from shipping proprietary drivers but only loading them after presenting the user with an informative text and a choice, for example. An OS can both work out of the box and educate its users. Now that would be a huge pro for them.

I've been having a strange problem with Plasma on my Arch installation. As it stands, I don't have a clock on my taskbar because whenever I try to place a clock widget, it becomes invisible. I know it's there because I can still highlight it when editing the taskbar. Anyhow, when I click it, there is no time. It just shows as "0," or something like that. I've checked multiple times, and my system time is set correctly. Timedatectl, my linked time zone I took from /usr/share/zoneinfo and placed into /etc/timezone, the "date" command, other GUIs in Plasma, all have my correct local time.

So, to reiterate, why aren't the clock widgets showing me ANY time at all?

I've reinstalled the plasma-desktop package just to be sure, and I've fiddled around with the widget's settings (and widget settings) endlessly. Not having a clock in my taskbar is a pain in the ass.

Any suggestions? Thanks. Sorry if my writing's off, a bit tired.

what is a good mono font that look good in small sizes

>>60727113
lemon, gohu, tewi, terminus, cure

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>>60727113
I use DejaVu Sans Mono at 9px size.
Dotted 0, pic related.

>>60727113
https://github.com/Tecate/bitmap-fonts

>>60727126
>>60727132
>>60727138
thx thx, gonna try them out

I'm currently using DejaVu and it I like it but I just feel like changing it up

Anyone knows how to fix having lots of missing unicode-character symbols in the browser?
Do I need a different font or is it something else?

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any ways around this dependency hell

>>60727132
Did the DejaVu fonts get their name because fontconfig is always so aggressive at pushing DejaVu to match everything?

So you think you've properly figured out how to configure your own custom font settings, and once you go to start using it you find out it's still DejaVu?
Or even when you do have it disabled you install some random package that changes your fonts, giving you a sense of dejavu that you've experienced this exact same problem before time and time again, and sure enough when you go to check DejaVu has somehow become your default font again?

It just keeps coming back

>>60727191
Install NixOS

>>60727190
>Do I need a different font or is it something else?
Probably.
Try installing GNU Unifont, the unifont project aims to have as much Unicode coverage as possible.

>>60727191
How did you not have openssl installed?

>>60727222
No clue my friend, been using DejaVu for a long time so any undesirable fontconfig behaviour missed me.

>>60727239
i don't know
is that why loading webpages was so slow? what package group does openssl come in, anyways? base? i pacstrap'd base, binutils, base-devel, etc, as much as I could think of when setting this machine up

>>60727042
>people should say something different, more educational that doesn't make them look like tryhard tinfoil memers
What, though? That it violates Unix philosophy? They'll just retort "get on with the times, grampa". That it solves a problem that doesn't exist? "It's modern and efficient". Single point of failure, large attack surface, difficult to maintain codebase? "Lol".

Hell, you yourself are dismissing as retarded memes some very valid reasons to oppose it. How is it still acceptable, in 2017, when some things that had traditionally been thought of as some of the coolest conspiracy theories have been shown to actually have been taking place, to dismiss concerns over military funding and intricate, hard-to-read code as paranoia? Isn't that fucked up?

And that's to say nothing of defending large, complex, widespread projects with hard-to-read code in the post-heartbleed age. What arguments are left that can't be readily dismissed with non-arguments?

>>60727276
i have no idea man, maybe pointing out that software monopols are bad and forcing a specific, important part of a system, the init, gives people too much control

>>60727271
Considering pacman needs it, no idea what you did.
Oh wait, did you do partial updates?

>>60727317
How does it """force""" you? You are free to use whatever init you want.

>>60727335
I don't think I did partial updates
I'm so confused
How was I not noticing OpenSSL not in my system? What has happened? FUck

>>60727336
ok
- systemd force
+ blind community acceptance
but when I read posts like >>60726812
>red hat taboo
it actually isn't THAT blinly

>>60727336
Not when everything depends on systemd because of Lennart's tactics

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>>60727276
>That it violates Unix philosophy?
Not that anon, but yes. In my opinion this is the strongest argument against systemd actually, even if it appears to be one of the weakest on the surface.

It's funny that when it comes to systemd, its supporters usually argue that it "just werks".
Yet, if "just works" is considered to be a prime argument for them then they'd be using Windows instead of GNU/Linux.

We all choose to use GNU/Linux because we like how it's structured, we like it's philosophies and the flexibility it gives us.
This means that _design choices_ are very fundamental to what makes GNU/Linux so great.

So we should look at systemd from a design perspective. Is it a good decision to make PID #1 a monolithic too-big-to-fail piece of software that even fucking kernel developers themselves claim is too complicated to understand?
The "unix way" is a vital design criteria for important low level system software. (for end-user software it doesn't matter as much)

Think about it this way:
If we had programmed our software in the past like systemd is today, then it would be impossible to replace our old shit. We'd be stuck with our old crusty init systems and systemd wouldn't even exist today.
How amazing is it that systemd was able to so easily step in and replace the init systems across every major distro in such a short period of time? The fact that it was able to do that is not a credit to systemd, it's a credit to the "unix way" that our old software was so easily interchanged.

The danger here is that systemd exploited the unix way to replace our old sotware, and now it _doesn't_ follow the unix way meaning that in the future it's going to be impossible to replace it.
Look at how many components it has swallowed up (pic related is just the tip of the iceberg). We're going to be stuck with this shit for 50 years because it doesn't follow the unix way and replacing it is going to be an unimaginably monumental undertaking.

>>60727412
This

>>60727412
Can you explain the purpose of _phrase_ quotes instead of "phrase" quotes? Is it a regional thing?
I know Polish uses „phase” quotation and french uses even different quotes. I'm just curious

>>60727404
So the """problem""" are the program developers who add hard dependencies. How is that a systemd problem? Everyone is free to develop a program the way he wants and if he adds a systemd dependency, it's not systemd """forcing""" them.

>>60727463
Lennart forces developers to add systemd dependencies

>>60727446
It's an IRC thing I think. Just a way to add emphasis, like bold text or something.

>>60727463
I hope you realize that it's the developers that made these hard dependencies are paid by the same company that made systemd.
Gnome and many other components are controlled by redhat. They're using their power as a majority of maintainers to change their platform to the needs of their customers and themselves while disregarding everyone else.

>>60727485
Got it, didn't notice it before, always assumed it's something regional.

good thread

>>60727524
bad post

Someone repost that devuan talk from some threads ago. It did a good job changing my point of view on the topic.

>>60727490
I wonder how long I have left of using GTK. I'm quite fond of xfce and tend to dislike the way anything QT looks. I guess someday I'll have to grow a neckbeard, install ratpoison and embrace carpal tunnel syndrome.

>>60727558
Here
https://youtu.be/wMvyOGawNwo

tip: it's entirely watchable on 1.25x speed.

The most interesting parts is the controversy behind Debian's adoption of systemd and pressure from redhat.

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>>60727555
nice digits, have a funny unix meme

>>60727595
Thanks

>>60727582
I'd say quite a few years. GTK2 reached "end of development" in 2011. It's 2017 and it's still a viable option by many software developers.

GTK3 reached end of development only recently.

>>60727621
did they fix the filepicker yet?

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>>60727621
>GTK3 reached end of development only recently
>tfw gtk4 will be the standard by the time xfce finishes porting to gtk3

>>60727650
The bug is still flagged as "new" so, let's just wait. https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141154&

>>60727672
/g/ should make a window graphics lib
dont worry i'll make the logo

>>60727350
run "pacman -Syu base" as report results
(full update + reinstall base)

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>>60727707

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>>60727692
lmao

>>60727735
does completing that solve your issue?

could replacing the distro shipped coreutils with a self compiled, newer version from gnu.org break anything?

>>60727767
>>60727735
ps. openssl is required by coreutils, which is part of base, among other things
if you're still missing it, you can run "pacman -S --asdeps openssl" to install it specifically

>>60727804
possibly, such an unsupported operation would be up to you to test and confirm it though

>>60727804
If you need to ask, you shouldn't do it.
Also you never know in which way a distro modifies packages or not.

>>60727837
>you never know
Not really hard to find out tho.

>>60727735
Try pacman -Q openssl

>>60727694
If we're going to try and replace GTK I think the first decision we should make a collective is whether or not we want to carry on the GTK tradition with a retarded-as-fuck filepicker or a non-retarded-as-fuck filepicker.

I personally vote that we create a non-retarded-as-fuck filepicker.
Does anyone else want to give some insight into this?

>>60727650
End of development means there will be no new features introduced.
No, there's a patch available for GTK2 available. It won't be introduced upstream for the same reason

>>60727837
>Also you never know in which way a distro modifies packages or not.
a good way to go about upgrading coreutils past the official package is to simply modify the original package so it installs the new version, with any distro-specific changes that package does (though patches supplied may not work with the new version, or may need to adjustment to work)

>>60727889
To understand the stance on the filepicker thumbnail support in GTK you have to understand that it's a niche feature.

Tell me, who, other than an imageboard user with directories full of cryptically named pictures needs it?

Noone.

>>60727939
People who use stuff like blender, gimp, whatever in their jobs.

>>60727939
To understand the stance on why the stance on the filepicker thumbnail support is fucking retarded you have to understand that the code for rendering images is already fucking in, and literally the only change that would need to be made is a slider to adjust the variable holding the image size being rendered, which will absolutely not increase the size or bloat of the GTK filepicker, or negatively affect people who want to keep their ant-sized thumbnails in any way

>>60727939
The feature was already there. Only when using the filepicker on GIMP, but they could just add it to all programs instead of removing it. ;_;

I guess the filepicker thing goes along with all the other stuff they recently removed like, for ex. gnome-terminal transparency and stuff like that. I don't really understand why they do this...

>>60728038
nautilus also lost some features

>running openSUSE
>use Soundconverter to convert music files
>all the tags transfer to the new files without issue

>running *buntu
>use Soundconverter to convert music files
>90% of the time the new files lose their date tag (The year it was made)

Is...is this a well-known problem? It's such a weirdly specific thing; it's only ever the date tag that ends up getting lost, never anything else.

>>60728076
make sure to use the correct tag version

How can I (as far as it gets) de-Red Hat my system?

>>60726414
Except Kubuntu etc. are partially supported by Canonical while Mint is not.

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I'm looking for all the software I need to achieve pic related.
Everything runs Arch, except for the smartphone to be running Android.

I'm looking to turn my SBC into a central audio streaming hub, allowing me to both stream to it for it to play on its speakers as to stream from it to other devices, potentially being a middle man.

So far I have mpd running for local music, and I can stream using pulseaudio to it from Linux devices, but video playing halts on that local device, although the sound streams fine.

I can stream the local music using mpd, but it generates minute-long delays. Fixes have been attempted but failed.
I need to be able to stream all the system sounds from the desktop/laptop/phones, not just single files.

If there's anyone who knows a solution/software to add/improve even a single connection, that'd be wonderful.
I've been messing with this for quite a while, to little avail.

I can't be the first one trying to achieve this

how much ram do i need to allocate for a wm with linux if i want to have it run 24/7, while still playing games. im on windows. does it constently use that much ram?

>>60727222
there should be a 50-user.conf or 51-local.conf in /etc/fonts/conf.d/ to load your shit from ~/.config/fontconfig/conf.d/
font pasta was up in the thread

>>60727336
>our software shit itself
>tmux, fix it by adding pooterind

>>60727939
normies

>>60716086
If i install arch on my laptop which has two cards, what drivers will have to install and what should i do so that it only detects and run the integrated Intel one? One way i saw in which it was written that you should disable one card but i don't want to do that

Does gentoo's package manager automatically upgrade the kernel when there are security patches and stuff, or do you have to do it manually?

>>60728646
It fetches a new gentoo-sources package. You have to configure, build, install and reboot (then optionally remove the old tree) yourself.

>>60728606
I don't even know what you want to do.
You want to not use the card but not disable it?
Why?

>>60728534
depends on what you run in it, just allocate what you need
if you don't know what you need, run it with plenty of ram for a while, run what you intend to run, and monitor how much ram it uses
some VM can be set to dynamically allocate ram as well, so in that case you can just set it to a large amount, and the VM will only use what it needs from the host

>find cool github project
>browse code
>Thumbs.db

I'm running Debian Sid and want to switch to Devuan. How well does the "unstable" version of Devuan work? Is the just comfy like on Debian?

>>60716086
Got one question. If I use GNU/Linux and install nonfree programs on it, is it still GNU/Linux?

>>60728962
No, it's Linux

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>>60729031

What's a good GUI program to extract files? preferably gtk-based, tried xarchiver and peazip and both suck ass and are slow

>>60729179
Gnome-terminal

>>60729196
delete this post

>>60728962
GNU/Linux indicates the combination of two operating system parts; the large and initial part GNU and the smaller part (the kernel) Linux. Read: https://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.en.html

If the program is nonfree or free doesn't matter for the name, but it matters if you aim for freedom, privacy and security in your digital life. Read:
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-even-more-important.html
and
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html

>>60729222
Go back to eating your foot Stallman

>>60729179
file-roller

>>60729236
LOL!

>>60729236
i know this is bait, but would you say, at the current year, after reading tech news, that stallman wasn't right all the time?

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Stop using systemd.

>>60729407
like the choice of a random end users init system will bring chance

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>>60729431
The community is much more powerful than you think.

>>60729487
except most of the (((community))) either doesn't give a fuck or welcome memed with open arms.
just see how excited ubuntu users were when it introduced systemd.

>>60727404
>Lennart's tactics
I'm not sure if he is even aware of the big picture.

>>60729407
normies don't even know what an init even does
what we need is a informative copypasta
and it must be extremly meme-free in order to avoid le tinfoil memes

>>60729638
and easy to understand*

New thread, same posts: >>60729681

>>60717013
You are the dumbass.

>>60716991
>>60717058
>>60717099
All knew what he meant. stop being retarded and use your brain, NEET.

im curious to maybe replace arch with ubuntu via the network installer. / and /home are separate partitions, not sure how the installer will work this out. do i just install on / and add /home to the fstab after restart?

>>60730309
Usually you can do that during install. In the partitioning stage, you should be able to instruct it to mount that partition under /home and not format it. I've never used the ubuntu netinstall, but I've used debian's plenty of times.

>>60722447
missing codecs?