/hpg/ - Headphone General

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The guides are all outdated and everyone in this thread just spouts stale memes, old information, blatant lies, or hot opinions. Turn back now.

>>60709343
Got memed, huh?

>>60709343
Everything on this mongolian basket weaving forum is outdated. All wikis are, no matter which general.

>>60709343
All those problems will be solved if we complain enough.

>Budget
£110 hard limit
>Location
UK (Scotland)
>Source
PC
>Type of headphone
Full sized
>Open or closed
Closed, I don't live alone.
>Comfort level
I'm not terribly fussed if the sound is good enough

>>60709870
dt770, though not sure if you need an amp

R8 str8 m8, no b8.

Fulla 2 -> HD600/DT770/HS5
Gonna add a sub eventually.

Am I sufficiently in mid-fi hell?

>>60709996
Yeah, you are, except for the HD600, which is high-end already.

>>60709996
Fulla 2 and 600 is good stuff m8. Schit stack is slightly better as it has no distortion at higher volumes but you're good to go with the fulla 95% of the time.

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Thoughts on Audio-Technica ATH-M40X? Thinking about buying these.

DT770 or MSR7 for first non-shit headphones?
Also Pro or Custom Studio on the DT770s?

>>60709343
hownew.ru

>>60710135
V-Shaped (DT770) or Bright (MSR7)?
Pro if your source Is a weak, wimpy bitch. Studio if your source can power them without an amp (DT 770 80 Ohm Drivers).

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>>60710189
>V-Shaped (DT770) or Bright (MSR7)?
I have no frame of reference.
>Pro if your source Is a weak, wimpy bitch.
How could I check this?

>>60710117
I would get one of these instead:

https://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?catId=0&initiative_id=SB_20170602080517&SearchText=Takstar+PRO82

Seriously, it's good. It's the new version of the Takstar Pro80, which is the HyperX Cloud. It was just released a few weeks ago or something like that. Look up a review for it.

>>60710229
What headphones have you had previously?

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>>60710250
I remember hearing that the Takstar Pro 80 is good, but I was surprised to see them gone everywhere when I tried searching for them recently. Anyway, won't it take 5 months for it to arrive on a boat from Chynuh? I can pick up the M40X locally.

>>60710283
Fry's $5 bin IEMs. They're not great.

>>60710317
No, the estimate is 12-20 days with the free ePacket shipping, even if you order the one that comes with the aluminum case. The Pro 82 is a better version of the Pro 80.

>>60710324
What are you going to be using your headphones on (PC, console, phone, DAP, etc.)?

>>60710422
Desktop PC, maybe getting a DAC+amp in the future to look cool in desktop threads on other boards.

>>60710453
Get the Studios. If they're too quiet, you'll need an amp.

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>>60710453
>maybe getting a DAC+amp in the future to look cool

>>60710532
Alright. Thanks.

>>60710552
I don't have a lot going for me, I need this.

>>60710250
They look more like M40x/MSR7 ripoffs than Pro 80's.
You have experience with them? They seem pretty intriguing.

>>60709271
My MDR-7506 just crapped out on me, blame planned obsolescence which seems to be the only thing Sony's good at. The cables are fine, everything's fine, I think the speaker gave out. I don't even listen to shit loudly.

Anyway, we're doing this again.

>Budget
150$
>Location
Canada
>Source
PC (cable should be over a meter long, the PC is far from my chair)
>Type
Full Sized
>Open or closed
Closed, but open can work too if they're better quality
>Comfort
They should be comfortable on my head over long periods, other than that I don't mind too much.

>>60711942
Also I listen mostly to punk, post-punk, cyberpunk, downtempo and nu jazz

How big of an upgrade would a pair of emu teak headphones be over my current K7XX? Getting tired of the bass rattle.

>>60711942
dt770 pro 80 ohm limited edition

>>60712162
They're a bit expensive for me. They're 235$ in Canada.

I was thinking of the ATH-M40x which seem good and fall in my budget.
Are they any good and will they last me more than a week?

>>60712212
If you're not tossing them around, they should be fine with new pads.

>>60712212
They're fine, but they'll require new pads to be comfy. If you found the 7506 comfy it probably wouldn't bother you.
CB-1 have comparable sound and are very comfy stock, should be cheaper too.

>>60711942
https://www.amazon.ca/Sennheiser-HD-598-Over-Ear-Headphones/dp/B0126HISOO/
Will sound much better than any closed headphone you can get with your budget.

Are there decent wired/wireless open headphones for 150~200€?

>>60712494
>wired/wireless
Wireless headphones that can take a cable?
Unfortunately, nobody ever heard of good wireless headphones.

>>60711883
It does look very similar to the MSR7, but the Pro 82 is quite nice overall, especially for the price. I haven't tried it myself, I just found it impressive, especially given the Pro 80's reputation.

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Any recommended tracks if I want to listen out for exceptional:
>Sub bass
>Soundstage
>Imaging

In headphones? Cheers

>>60712494
>wireless
>open
Speakers. You want speakers.

>Sub Bass
I use Blue by Gemmini fo bass extension and Elysia's Heart to check for distortion.

Elysia's Heart by Aether
>>60713128
>>60713015

>>60713015
>sub bass
https://my.mixtape.moe/pcdads.mp3

>soundstage
https://open.spotify.com/track/4tUi4y02IBFxy9dqN9xbPL

>imaging
http://qsound.com/demos/virtualbarbershop_long.htm

When you're using a dac do you just usb -> dac -> plug in headphones


Why do I feel so autistic looking at a dac, it looks like it needs something else going in for some reason

>>60713387
Awesome @ HD600.

>>60713500
Glad you like it, Anon. Sounds awesome on my HD650, too.

>>60712027
Rattle? Mechanical issue and fixable. Shouldn't exist in any headphone. In the K7xx that used to be a problem with the baffle.

I can't possibly tell you whether you view some random other headphone as an upgrade.

>>60712494
Sennheiser's RS lineup is alright and has some open back models.

>>60713015
You can't experience soundstage with headphones without additional signal processing. Binaural recordings are more immersive than stereophonic sound through loudspeakers but they lack in numbers and production.

>>60713494
There has to be an amplification stage after the converter. Often it's already a part of the chip which also does analog to digital conversion. Focusing on the converter itself may be autistic but it's also mostly irrelevant. It's not driving your headphones, it's very cheap and easy to do well and most units do. It has been a solved problem for a decade or two for audio reproduction purposes.

DAC has become somewhat of a misnomer in audio discussions.

>>60713387
That haircut was surprisingly wide on my PortaPros. I don't think I've heard anything that wide on these.

>>60713387
24-bit 96kHz .flac torrent of the album in that second link: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:7B10A122EB0881E9F2DFA7873F434C10911DB83D&tr=http%3A%2F%2Fbt4.t-ru.org%2Fann%3Fmagnet

It's all binaural. Sounds pretty cool

>>60710117
Bump. Someone lurking in these threads has to have them.

>>60710117
I have a pair and have enjoyed them. If you are getting them as a first pair of decent headphones you will probably be satisfied. Or if you are just looking for something you can travel with that doesnt sound like garbage, they can get the job done.
I don't know what else to tell you about them.

Hi /hpg/.
After 4 years of use my ATH M50s have died on the right side.
Need some new headphones.
Looking to drop around £100

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>>60714965
That's not an acceptable format to ask for headphone purchase advice. Please read the OP and try again. Have a wonderful day.

>>60715047
>Budget
The aforementioned £100

>Location
UK, hence GBP

>Source
PC

>Type of headphone
Overear

>Open or closed
Either/Or. Open to suggestions.

>Comfort level
Like I'm not wearing a brick on my head would be ideal.

>Sound signature
Neutral leaning towards bright.

>Past headphones
ATH M50's

>Budget
$1-2k
>Location
USA
>Source
Schiit Modi U/Magni U
>Type of headphone
Open or Closed are both fine
>Comfort level
Comfy
>Sound signature
Not picky, mostly listening to EDM nowadays, some rock and classical
>Past headphones
Fidelio X2 is my current daily driver, tried HD 650 but lack of bass meant they went back

I like my X2, but I'm curious what would be an upgrade to it in terms of cleaner sound.

Willing to buy used or save up over time for something that's actually a big improvement.

>>60714174
You could literally search M40 in this thread and get an answer.

>>60715231
HD650 would be a cleaner sound. Cleaner sound likely comes with much less bass than the X2.

Maybe look in Audeze LCD 2

Hi,
besides csg, i'd like to know which IEMs and closed on-ear headphones are recommended for something like up to 70€ (less is obviously better, if possible)
I'd use them on the go and would like them to be comfortable. I am living in Germany.
Thanks in advance

>>60715134
Some pointers to popular such devices
Neutral-ish:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/AKG-Reference-Open-Back-Over-Ear-Headphones/dp/B001RCD2DW/
https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/Studio-Headphones/Sennheiser-HD-558-High-Open-Over-Technology/B004FEEY9A/
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Audio-Technica-ATH-M40X-Professional-Headphones-Black/dp/B00HVLUR54/
V-shaped:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Beyerdynamic-DT770-Pro-Headphones-250/dp/B0006NL5SM/
I'd recommend them in order, top to bottom.

>>60715231
HD800, LCD-2

Thoughts on Massdrop TH-X00?

Today is the last day of the Hot Sale, did you get something??

I don't know if I should go for the DT770, it seems they are what I'm looking for (closed, over ear, comfy, bassy), but I don't know if I'll need an amp for 80 ohms, it would bring it out of my range, and I'll also need something not so bulky and big as I'll be using them on my uni campus.

Also Sennheiser Urbanite XL are dirt cheap on Amazon right now, but I don't know if their quality is too poor.

Stax sr-404 with some tube amp for 250 bucks. Used. Should I go for it?

>>60715134
7506 or v6

>>60716388
That's an absolute steal (assuming the amp works fine). Go for it.

>>60716318
>it seems they are what I'm looking for (closed, over ear, comfy, bassy)
The bass on the 770's is absolutely excellent. It's tight, punchy, fast, agile, absolutely not bloated or muddy and reaches deep. Love this.
The one thing you need to keep in mind with Beyers is that they are v-shaped with elevated treble, so if you're sensitive you may find them sibilant, which i honestly doubt.
>I don't know if I'll need an amp for 80 ohms
Unless you try to power them with a potato you're fine. I can easily power my DT990's 250 Ohm with my onboard ALC1220.
>something not so bulky and big as I'll be using them on my uni campus
In that case i would not get any Beyers. While they sound excellent and are sturdy, imho they are not meant for portable use.
The coiled non-removeable cable will drive you crazy when on the move, trust me.
If you want bassy, closed headphones you may want to look into Sony MDR-1A's. They have bass, a lot of it, while keeping decent clarity, mids and highs.
The problem i have with those Sony's is that the bass can become very sloppy and muddy depending on the music you're listening to.
On the other side, they are very comfortable right out of the box. Light, nice padding, no strong clamp, just fine. They come with two removeable cables, one with a remote and the cable quality is superb.

I don't understand audiophiles.
How can "warm" sound and decay be natural? Isn't tight and fast transient response better?
Those all depend on the recording anyway.

Asked towards the end of the last thread, are Rock Zircon the best iem's under $20?

Durability isn't a concern as I'll just be leaving them in my car for portable use.

>>60717527
Yes, by far.

>>60716318
>>60717440
Dunno if you're looking for something higher end, but the Creative Aurvana Live are warm and solid portable headphones.
Don't fold or anything but are very light, not too autistic.

Status CB-1 also meet your requirements, not sure I'd wear them in public though.

My DT880 600Ohms came in today, they're way better than my old M40xs.
Surprisingly, they can get decently high without an amp or dac (which is something I'm getting later this week) on my computer. No static either.

How much will I be blown away once they do come in?

>>60717893
What amp and dac did you order?

>>60717978
Monoprice 11567 AMP/DAC

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>>60709271
>Budget
$400-600 USD
>Location
California (US)
>Source
Schitt Magni 2 Uber routed into Fiio E10K into PC
>Type of headphone
Over ear
>Open or closed
Open but if the closed are objectively superior then I'll take those
>Comfort level
Must be HIGH. I have autistic levels of requirements for comfort, I don't like velour cause it's scratchy (but I'll still use them), I hate anything too heavy since I'll be at my pc hours at a time. Also I wear glasses.
>Sound signature
Used to prefer flat but I could use a slight bump in base
>Past headphones
HD600's (current, love it), Massdrop Noble X (current IEMs), Meze Classics 99 (memeshit), ATH-M50x (hated it, sold it after a month)

Basically looking for a straight upgrade to the HD600's. If you can take HD650 drivers though and slot them into the HD600 I'll take that though. No used please.

HD600 owners, how do you eq them?
Better to use a peak or shelf filter to increase the bass?

I took what Metal571 listed in his video and lowered the gain values a bit.

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Does anyone have the $200 and up recommendation image? Wiki link is ded.

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DJing on https://chiru.no:8081/stream.flac rn

>>60709271
does /g/ have any suggestions for good computer speakers around $50-60?

>>60718570
You should be able to flatten the sub-bass response with a single 20 Hz peak boost. Turn the EQ preamp down accordingly to prevent clipping. The midbass is already boosted so you should have enough bass by just bringing the sub-bass up to the same level as the midbass.

>>60718570
>>60719412
Just look up a frequency response graph of the HD600, note the steepness of the sub-bass rolloff and create a corresponding inverse 20 Hz peak filter to said rolloff using some kind of parametric EQ with a GUI so you can match the curve of your filter to the rolloff.

>>60719412
>>60719430
Will do, thanks.

Seems like a lot of people lower 3,500 hz, that worth doing?

>>60718730
>good computer speakers

>>60718730
Save up for Micca PB42X or Jbl LSR305, anything else is gonna be garbage really.
That budget is better spent on headphones.

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My Shure SE215's cable is kind of fucked.

I need a new one but I'd also like one that has a microphone in it.

Any suggestions?

I bought one off eBay ages ago but the microphonics were so bad it was completely useless.

Maybe this is a stupid question, but where do you put your amp/dac? I'm considering a Filla 2, but my tower is under my desk, which means awkward looping cables if I want it next to my monitor.

>>60719923
You put the desktop on top of the desk, silly.

>>60719923
In their own rack.

>Budget
$75
>Location
US
>Source
Desktop
>Type of headphone
Full size
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Comfy
>Sound signature
Neutral
>Past headphones
A $25 pair of a Walgreens

>>60720143
XPT100
CB-1/MM185

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>>60718320

>>60720207
Keep saving your money and get yourself an HD800.

okay, lets try here!

My brother worked on a computer store that went under, and because the owner owed him and other two employees two months of pay he let them take a bunch of the inventory he wasn't gonna take with him. So my bro got some stuff, including some headsets. He's gonna keep one, and give away other 3 to me and two of his friends. And I got to chose first.

I can pick a Corsair HS40, a HyperX Stinger or a Razer Kraken USB 7.1.

So, which one you suggest?

>>60720523
Neither of them. Just get decent headphones.

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>>60720523
>gaymen headsets
I suggest you get the fuck out.

>>60720566
>>60720579


I'm getting them for free.

>>60720591
Of the three, I'd say the Stingers.

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>>60720591
Then get the most expensive one and sell it dumbass.

>>60710117
Garbage stock pads and mediocre build.

If you do get the m40x, get Auray sheepskin pads, or some of the Shure velour pads. Don't go with the HM5 garbage that zeosfags reccomend.

>>60711942
>blame planned obsolescence which seems to be the only thing Sony's good at.
Doubt it. Plenty of MDR's that have lived for decades. You can buy replacement drivers in a few places if you want.

>>60713494
If you're talking about a standalone DAC unit like the ODAC or Modi 2, then you need to send RCA from the DAC out to the amp. If you're talking about a DAC/Amp combo unit, you just plug in via 3.5/6.3/whatever.

From your PC you just run USB/Optical to the DAC unit.

>>60715134
>Neutral leaning towards bright.
MDRV6/7506 or M40x. Neither are 100% what you want but they are slightly bright. MDR's more-so.

>>60717463
>How can "warm" sound and decay be natural?
Sounds bounce of shit in real life before reaching your ears a lot. Warmth is preferred by some because it makes a lot of instruments like cellos, pianos, and guitars sound more saturated.

>>60720523
Get the most expensive one and sell it.

Cute vampires, dude.

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>>60714174
>>60710117
I owned them for a couple years and just replaced them today.

It's pretty much what >>60720818 said.
The build is decent for it's price, and you don't need an amp/dac for them.
Sound is also decent and almost neutral, but there is a bit of bass.

As for the pads they got fucked after a year of use, I'd recommend you to replace them.

>>60720942
>Sounds bounce of shit in real life before reaching your ears a lot
But that should be captured by the recording device, shouldn't it? And the headphone's job is to play what was recorded.

>>60721080
>But that should be captured by the recording device
In an ideal world, yes.
But a lot of instruments are recorded in studios where sounds are dampened. It really just depends on how well something is mastered.

>>60721110
reflections are dampened*

>>60721110
So if I want something the could easily reproduce how something was recorded, what should I get?
Producers praise the DT880 for their accuracy, while the majority can't recommend the HD600 highly enough because they sound "good".

>>60721214
I'd suggest filling out a purchase advice form if you want more accurate recommendations.

>>60721240
I meant between the two headphones I mentioned. I've narrowed my purchase options down to the two of them, and I don't know which one would be preferable to me without having to audition them both (can only purchase them online.)

Then there's the question on the subject of neutrality vs naturality, but all I really want is accuracy. Not how "warm", "bright", "dark", or whatever buzzword the reviewers use. I just want to hear what the recorder hears.

>>60720523
The Razer's easier to sell.

>>60721322
>I just want to hear what the recorder hears.
Then really, you've gotta use what the recorder [or ultimately whoever mixed it] used.

HD600 are closer to neutral in my opinion though.

What's the best analogy of listening to with and without an amp/dac?

>>60715231
If you want good sub bass you can try Audioquest Nighthawk, Different Fostex th-x00 or audjizzie LCD series.

>>60718320
Get HD800 and EQ it, now you reached audio nirvana.

>>60721042
>mad about anime on an anime imageboard

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I love my Shure IEMs, but the problem is when on an airplane when an annoucement comes on, a flight attentant asks if I want the chicken or pasta, or a coworkers sitting next to me wants to talk, I have to pull them out and then go through the whole process of getting them back in (twist, hold while they expand, hope it all went well and don't have to re do it). Is there some microphone / "Press to Talk" for IEMs? Or do I need to just get some cans? I love how small the IEMs are for travel...

>>60722155
Stop memeing EQ

You cannot fix a physical design fault like the one of the HD 800 simply by EQing it.

hi, looking for some comfy and very open headphones for gaming.

Any recommendations under $200 AUD?

previously had the T50RP's and they were pretty good

>Budget
$200
>Location
AUD
>Source
PC gaymen
>Type of headphone
Full sized
>Open or closed
Open asf
>Comfort level
ultra

>>60722829
>>60722840
I'd recommend saving for a little longer and getting the HD600

https://addictedtoaudio.com.au/collections/headphones/products/sennheiser-hd600-audiophile-reference-hifi-stereo-headphones

>>60722848
nice memes dude

>>60720523
Like other Anons have said, all three of those are shit. Sell the Razer Kraken on ebay or craigslist or something, and use the money to buy an HD558 or SHP9500. Or you could put some of your own money together with it and buy something nicer.

>>60720892
M40x? Bright? Are you sure?

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>>60715407
>how would these two fit my needs?
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B00F0CQJNA?smid=AZFTGA1LQX40L&linkCode=df0&creative=22514&creativeASIN=B00F0CQJNA&childASIN=B00F0CQJNA&tag=geizhals10-21

https://www.amazon.de/dp/B00H46W9D4?smid=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&linkCode=df0&creative=22498&creativeASIN=B00H46W9D4&childASIN=B00H46W9D4&tag=geizhalspre03-21

>>60723387
Creative Aurvana Live are good portable options.

>>60718320
>Schitt Magni 2 Uber routed into Fiio E10K into PC
The Fiio has no AUX outputs, meaning you're routing its amp output into a line input.
Should be fine, but eww.

>>60718320
>Basically looking for a straight upgrade to the HD600's. If you can take HD650 drivers though and slot them into the HD600 I'll take that though.
HD650 isn't an upgrade on HD600. Most reviewers do in fact prefer the HD600, and most people agree it's pointless to have both headphones.
There's no straightforward upgrade to the HD600 sadly, but there are things that are good and yet different enough to give you that "something" you're looking for.
Typical suggestions that fly around here are HD800 and LCD-2.

>>60721741
>>60721214
The most neutral among these two is the HD600 hands-off. It's also an order of magnitude or two a better device than the DT880.

>>60722099
Depends what headphones you have, what amp+dac it is, and what your current source is like (onboard or whatever). But when I got a nice amp+dac earlier this week, it was like a veil had been lifted. Music sounds so much more transparent, and overall more enjoyable to listen to. I haven't been able to put my headphones down

However, that's just been my experience. With lower end headphones and a cheap amp+dac, you might not notice much of a difference

>>60724535
What headphones are you talking about?
I had this experience with HD598, when I first tried them on a fulla2 after years of mobo sound.

>>60710117
literally just as good as an HD600 this or MDR7506

Is the HD215 good? A music store near me has them on sale for 75$ CAN.

>>60724857
I have an HD650

>Budget
E150
>Location
Netherlands
>Source
Galaxy S8/laptop
>Type of headphone
Over ear
>Open or closed
whichever can be used riding a bicycle in the city
>Comfort level
sound over comfy

the Sony MDR-1a is adviced by the dutch Consumers Association (E119)

>>60725158
I see. Yeah, that'd appreciate a fulla2 considerably.

>>60724911
>m40x
>literally just as good as an HD600 this or MDR7506
kek

So, a friend of mine is coming home from germany so I was looking for some 9500 over there but the last one I saw on ebay vanished.

Any guesses as to where I can find them?

>>60725613
You mean this? https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826138190

Where are you from? You could check for HD558 as well

>>60725790
Brazil, the only store selling it here prices it at U$200 so fuck that.

I have no idea how international shipping works for countries other than mine. If I send that to Germany, would there be any adicional taxes?

Also just checked the 558, over U$200 for a used pair lol

>>60719778
I have the miccas and I don't like them as near fields. I'm hoping the 305 don't have the same issue since they're near field monitors.

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Will sticking my se215's up my ass increase or decrease fidelity?

>>60726014
>brazil

how are you not dead

>>60726044
Depends how far up you stick them.

>>60722608
What physical design fault? If it influences frequency magnitude and doesn't shift phase, you absolutely can fix it completely with EQ.

>>60725324
Not good for riding a bycicle, has a pretty loose clamp

>>60726189

What could be a good over ear headphone regardingmy specifications to use in traffic/on bicycle?

>>60726044
depends how much shit is stuck to your ring piece

>>60709271
who /600+schiitstackorfulla2/ here?

Does it get better lads, does it?!

>>60726014
See if you can get one of these shipped to you

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/takstar-HI-2050_115356632.html

>>60726208
Audio Technica ATH-MSR7 has good clamp for bicycling. Sennheiser Momentum 2 were good too if i remember them right.

>>60726839
And how is the sound?

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>>60722505

Can't you just pause the music?

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>>60718320
>Schitt Magni 2 Uber routed into Fiio E10K into PC
>double amping

>>60727090
Doesn't E10K have a line level out in the back?

Are Beats actually shit or do y'all just hate them because Chad and the normie patrol have them?

>>60727125
Beats isn't a single product. They can be both. Very subjective.

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>>60726407
>who /600+schiitstackorfulla2/ here?
Me \o/.
Schiit Uber Stack + HD600.
Very happy with my setup.

>>60727036
>MSR7
Bass is good. IT's enough (for me that is) and it's not muddy or bloated in contrary to MDR-1A's. While quality is better quantity is much less.
Mids are prominent and elevated.
Highs are very clear but can be a little harsh in case you're sensitive.
>Momentum 2
Bass is strong and deep, can get a little uncontrolled but still fine and much better than MDR-1A's.
Mids are decent but nothing special, works for me.
Highs are same story as mids. Nothing special but not bad either. Both are good and work for me. Typical Sennheiser signature here, which is fine.

If you're more into bass and like soft highs get Momentums, if you prefer clarity and forward mids/highs get MSR7's.

>>60722608
You can get rid of upper midrange dip and bring down treble well enough for it not to be a problem.
>>60726096
Hoverer the only time I've seen it being 'fixed' close to perfect is by harmon using special equipement and I don't see them sharing EQ parameters.

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Thoughts on m30x? Thinking of buying them as my first non-shit pair.

>>60727213
Save and get m40x, that's the audio technica device to get. The only one.
Anything higher than that is outclassed by similarly priced models by other brands. Anything lower is shit.

>>60727157
Good stuff anime bro, I don't know shit about anime really but the theme from perfect blue by (macross 82-99) sounds great with this setup.

>>60727203
>close to perfect
It's child's play to do that against measurements. Just establish the target you want, create filters, measure, readjust filters. Takes a few minutes to create the response you want. Target established elsewhere doesn't translate directly into real ears. Perfect on humans is subjective.

>>60727233
Sure it does. Everything sounds good @ HD600.
Screenshot is from Clockwork Planet, an anime series currently airing in Japan.

>>60727256
Yeah, it looks...cute I guess, each to their own lol. I love studio ghibli but that's it for the most part. and the odd weird one like angels egg and the talisman if you've ever heard of those.

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Hi cuties. I got a new pair and I want them to last as long as possible. The thing that killed my two past headphones are the leather pads getting wrecked, since I use them for neet-tier hours so I want to take extra care of them now, especially since I got K550 MKIIs and the pads aren't easily swappable. So in these times of extreme heat what can I do to not make them smell bad and wear?

>>60727388
There's too much out there to restrict yourself to Ghibli.

Take a look through https://anidb.net

>Budget
Around $150
>Location
USA
>Source
Phone (I change phones often but right now I have a galaxy sky), maybe PC
>Type of headphone
Full sized
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Comfy enough for a couple of hours
>Sound signature
Neutral, maybe a little bassy
>Past headphones
SOL republic, cheap shit

>>60727637
Bookmarked. I'll definitely be checking that site out. Thanks m8

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>>60727695
>Neutral, maybe a little bassy
HD380 Pro.

>Budget
I don't want to spend more than 50 euros
>Location
Portugal
>Source
PC
>Type of headphone
Earbud
>Open or closed
closed
>Comfort level
Not much important but if comfy is better

People keep telling me that if I really enjoy music I should spend some money in good headphones so here I am. Is 50 too little? I want some good quality headphones.
Thanks

>>60727771
50 isn't exactly little for earbuds but it is for headphones in general.

>>60727771
What's the best earbud I can buy?

>>60727771
>Is 50 too little? I
Yes.
You want to forget about earbuds (they're the lowest of the low), and get at least mid-fi territory, which ranges 100-200€.
You'll also have to consider whether you absolutely require closed, as open will give you better sound / €.

>>60727231
>Anything higher than that is outclassed by similarly priced models by other brands
Such as? Which headphones outclass MSR7's for portable usage?

>>60727846
oops was meant to >>60727834

>>60727846
>best earbud
If you count IEMs, ER4SR.

>>60727864
>MSR7 for portable usage
I didn't recommend m40x for portable usage.
I can't make any recommendations for portable usage, because I absolutely do not listen to music on the go and so I'm clueless about that.

>>60727771
Are in-ear headphones acceptable? For that 50 euros gives you plenty of models..

>>60727940
I'm afraid no. in-ear are really uncomfortable for me, but thanks.

>>60727594
Just don't sweat it.

>>60727916
Oh, though i could get some recommendations from you on that topic.

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>NVX XPT-100 cable broke
>replacement is only available from Brainwavz
>$25 plus shipping to Europe
HD598s are €200 in my country too. Fuck this gay earth.

>>60726407
/600+o2odac/ here. Much respect.

>>60727892
They look insanely uncomfortable. Is that actually the case?

>>60728279
You're welcome too. o2's allowed :)

>>60728310
Probably. I don't have these. I can't handle IEMs.

>>60728279
Less awesome, but it's Open Hardware, which is its own class of awesome.
Specs wise, should have no trouble with HD600.

>>60728340
Is it really? How so? (less awesome that is)

>>60728530
Much lower specs, higher price label.
But Open Hardware is nice.

>>60728530
Not that guy but I think the o2 is supposed to be a little thinner sounding? I'm not sure.

>>60728561
Amplifiers don't have sound signatures.

>>60728689
Tell me the e10k sounds the same as the fulla 2 or schiit stack and I'll suck your dick.

>>60728553
Dang, I really should try out the schiit stack one of these days.

>tinnitus in right ear
What site do I use to stream my suicide?

>>60723747
>>60727090
There's a 3.5mm plug in to bypass the amp part of the E10K and use just the dac part. C'mon guys I thought you were smarter than this.

>>60728864
I have it in both but it gets worse in my left ear is I sleep badly. Maybe mines not as strong as yours but it doesn't matter much to me when the music is at a decent volume...and I'm drinking.

>>60728689
They can if they are bad. It's load dependent.

>>60728738
They absolutely should beyond noise floor and absolute power differences which aren't a problem on normal loads.

>but i heard it
>i know what i hear
>i trust my ears
>feeble attempts to describe what was heard

>>60729190
Well the e10k sounds worse than the fulla and schiit stack. It literally sounds thin and harsh in comparison. But it's still a greta amp, especially for the money.

>>60729239
Which headphone? Maybe it's just unable to drive it well

>>60729239
>feeble attempts to describe what was heard

also
>"heard"

can we stop trying to listen amplifiers now. educated guesses on based on the load and loudness requirements are infinitely more useful. assuming that we have good specs at hand.

what sub $200 headphones have the biggest soundstage? i used to have a pair of brainwavz hm5 and i want bigger than that if possible.


or if anyone knows of some earpads that increase soundstage lemme know

>>60729247
hd600. Maybe the e10k doesn't drive it as well, I agree. Still a good amp though.

>>60727594
Sweat less? Honestly just get used to replacing your pads.
t. Dane living in Arizona

>>60729272
You keep saying the word heard and I don't know why. Are you ok mate.

>>60727231
What similarly priced model outclasses the MSR7? Portability aside, but still closed, of course.

>>60729387
Too bassy, can't comment. I'm not a basshead.

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Anyone got experience with urbanista seattle bt?
Whats the best bang for the buck wireless headphones that i can carry around everyday?

>>60729837
Don't expect any help here when it comes to wireless headphones. I can't help as I know nothing about them.

>>60727174
Appreciate the effort

>>60729880
but i dont want the hassle with cables when im travellng :(

>>60729284
K702/K712/K7XX

>>60730020
just use iems or something. It's very cheap and simple?

>>60709271
What's the difference between the modi 2 uber and the multibit? is there supposed to be an audible difference? can anyone explain.

>>60713500
Same here. Great test songs.

>>60729647
>MSR7
>Too bassy
They're bright, fairly low bass.

Are the ath m50x the best portable headphones to get under 200?
Will be used on a samsung galaxy s8

Wasn't entirely sure where to ask this question.

I have an HDMI device which goes into a monitor, which is connected to my PC's line-in port. I do this so that I can have all audio come from my PC and can adjust it with the built-in windows mixer.

I was thinking about getting a fulla 2. Would the device which is connected to the monitor benefit at all from this?

>>60730430
InnerFidelity and HiFi think so. So obviously /g/ contrarians have to say they're shit.

>>60730430
>>60730843
Tyll didn't think too much of them from what I recall.
M40 are better. Beyer Custom One pro plus might be better than m50, never used em.

I think the Creative Aurvana Live are the best portable cans. Comfy enough and good sound, super light for portability.
Doesn't make much sense to pay more than $100 for part time use headphones.

>>60730166
The short answer is that any design difference is completely irrelevant outside the usual set of measurements. Do you need to know more than that?

Hi. I'm looking for some 3.5mm quality plugs, so I can replace it on my Sennheiser HD 202. Do you know what brands to look for, and where to buy them?

PS: Preferably eBay, since I'm from Europe

>>60730951
I'm assuming the difference is more than design.

>no more than $100
>US
>tablet and xbone controller
>full size
>closed
>very comfortable
>sennheiser hd 202's made my ears hurt like a son of a bitch. status cb1's were great but weren't durable enough to handle my clumsiness. I use etymotic hf3 on the go but i need some full size cans to keep at home.

>>60730843
>>60730915
Different anon, how are HD 25-II's for portable on ears? I'm thinking of ordering the Superlux clone of them for my commute to school.
>>60731007
HM5/XPT100/Creative Aurvana Live

>>60730843
There's that and then there's the fact that both are just someone's opinions.

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>>60724911
Are you high or just fucking stupid?

>>60731056
Are any of these three more durable than the other?

>>60730166
Design of the converter which isn't telling of the performance and none of this says anything about audibility. Schiit reports lower performance for the multibit. If there's an audible difference, at least one of them is bad. Specs are very good however. I'd bet money on that they sound exactly the same based on specs alone. This >>60730951 puts it well.

>>60731007
https://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?catId=0&initiative_id=AS_20170603142304&SearchText=Takstar+PRO82

>>60730951
>>60731228
Fair enough. Thanks.

>>60731206
Probably the HM5's. XPT100's are pretty nice cheaper clones of HM5's (Fairly identical build) and CAL's look a lil brittle if you toss your shit aroubd a lot but sound good.

I'm using shure SE215
I like them but what is the next step if I want to hear a big difference
another, more expensive, pair of in ears?
amp/dac? using a hi-res audio player instead of my phone?

>>60731007
If you want something durable, save up and get Beyer custom one pro plus.

Most stuff under $100 is made of plastic and not gonna take much of a beating.

>>60731228
>>60731324
Or maybe is one of these magic devices that, while should sound the same as per measurements, do actually sound better.
The reviews for the multibit are very favorable.

>>60718570
Flattening the sub-bass doesn't really change much in music as much as people think on /g/. But you have two options.

Make the sub-bass output equal to the mid-bass output, making the headphone bass tilted. Or cut the mid-bass and boost the sub-bass making it completely neutral. I've found that the latter sounds best but both variations sound pretty close.
>>60722608
You can, retard.

>>60731413
I'd be interested albeit very skeptical to learn about that. Unless someone conducts a proper double blinded test I'll keep ignoring all listening impressions. They don't provide anything useful and can't establish any truths about the device's sound.

>>60731668
I'd honestly recommend waiting. The Modi Multibit is much cheaper than the bitfrost multibit and the whatever expensive multibit thing. It's also a newer implementation and reviewers consider it better than the other two (wtf). There's likely a lot of potential for improvement if anything.
So I'll just observe for now. With some luck there's something to it, like how good the AMIGA's Paula chip sounds (despite ancient). Or maybe that's just my optimism. Time should bring more testing and more, cheaper devices.
Meanwhile, I can use the money elsewhere (e.g.: More headphones).

>>60731584
Where should I do the midbass notch, around 150?

Need: DAP
Requirements: Stable port of Rockbox https://www.rockbox.org/
There's a bunch of options. Which and why?

>>60731708
100Hz, don't notch it, use a peak/dip filter.

figure out how much dB and bandwidth works for you.

One thing to note is that reducing output here would make them less bassy and a bit brighter/thinner in tone.

Maybe you'd just do best with a simple sub-bass boost alone, you don't have to EQ it to be completely accurate, take your preferences into account.

>>60730986
"Multibit" output level is a bit lower than that of the Uber and the standard Modi 2.
The converter IC in the Multibit is less suited to audio than the one used in Modi 2/Uber. The performance is below that of the Modi 2 as well as many other inexpensive solutions.

"Multibit" gets its name from of the converter type that it uses, a sort of audiophile misnomer.

>>60731771
>preferences in coloration
autism

https://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-RP-HJE120-PPK-In-Ear-Headphone-Black/dp/B003EM8008/ref=pd_lpo_vtph_23_bs_lp_tr_t_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=7WEK43KXWS13ZRPM61BD


you found 12 magic dollars in your pocket, and your dog ate your last ear buds and called you a pussy bitch. wat do?

>>60732123
You read the OP.

>>60732123
I'd get ve monks or Rock Zircon instead, or something KZ

>>60731913
>less suited to audio
It's made for something else.
The question is whether there's something to multibit vs delta/sigma. The answer isn't there yet; multibit measures good, but people seem to prefer it. Double-blind testing is necessary.

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770*

I bought a new headset last year on cyber monday, it was like 60-70% off, (80 incl shipping instead of 200).

I got Seinheiser HD 598 Cs. I don't really use it as my ears are fucking huge and the cups are not very comfortable. I can only wear them for ~3 hrs straight before my ears need a break.
Do you guys think the audio quality is good, I can tell if they are much better than the earbuds I use and my old shitty turtle beaches but how do they compare to similarly priced products?

>>60732123
Save up for HD600s

c-can i ask about bluetooth speakers here?

>>60732352
It's decent. That Anon that's always recommending the HD 380 Pro really likes to shit on it for some reason

>>60732352
>Cs
There is your problem.

>>60732555
Why is it a problem Anon?
>>60732539
Thanks for info Anon

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>>60732646
That looks pretty bad, even CAL's sound better than that.

>>60732646
Only good for isolation, but because of that you have more of a muddy base, smaller soundstage and and a weird treble.

>>60732702
If I knew what that graph represented I might agree with you?

>>60709271
>Budget
$200-300 USD
>Location
Toronto, Canada
>Source
phones, PC, xbox controller, etc (i listen to a lot of music and like to have one device for it)
>Type of headphone
i only like full-sized, and over-ear
>Open or closed
closed
>Comfort level
as long as it lasts me over 4 hours, I'm good. Comfort is very important, though.
>Sound signature
v-shaped, or more specifically good highs and lows, but highs should overpower mids
>Past headphones
beats studio 2013 (gift)

>>60732740
Can you explain what you mean by isolation and muddy base?

>>60732799
DT770 80 Ohm/Custom Studio
Custom One Pro

>>60732804
>isolation
Closed; you don't want any of your sound to leak out or anyone to hear what you listen to in public.

>Muddy base
A more drowned out bass.


>>60732799
>>60732831
80ohm is decent for just a phone, but if you have an amp with it, I'd recommend the 250ohm.

>Budget
Around $200, no higher than $320.
>Location
Commiefornia.
>Source
Desktop, open to getting a cheap DAC+amp.
>Type of headphone
Over ear.
>Open or closed
Closed, preferably minimal sound leak and good isolation.
>Comfort level
Comfy guy inside.
>Sound signature
Nothing too weak or heavy in any areas. Not necessarily balanced, a little bright or a little bassy won't kill me, but no strong v shape or anything like that.
>Past headphones
Logitech gaymer shit.

>>60732517
Have at it. I use Anker Soundcore to listen to podcasts.
Sound is pretty decent considering it's a Bluetooth speaker, gets pretty loud. Battery life is excellent though, hardly ever need to charge it.

>>60732333
They're both multi-bit converters. The Modi MB is poorly repurposed to do audio.
Resistor-ladder derived converters are hobbled by matching and glitch errors, as Schiit demonstrates. Whether or not you believe it a problem, absolute performance of the Modi MB is inferior to even modest soundcards.
Suggesting there is anything if you are going to ignore quantitative behavior is beyond the realm of science. That's not engineering. Performing DBT doesn't change the existing body of work related to the subject, and existing mass of null results makes any positive highly dubious and suspect.

>>60732879
DT770 Pro 80 ohm limited edition.

Doesn't need a DAC or an amp.

>>60727044
No, they act as ear plugs.

>>60732931
>Resistor-ladder derived converters are hobbled by matching and glitch errors
They use a DAC with pretty decent specs, it's not made specifically for audio, but it is a good DAC.
>Performing DBT doesn't change the existing body of work related to the subject
There isn't that much work or interest in doing such work sadly.
>Suggesting there is anything if you are going to ignore quantitative behavior is beyond the realm of science.
No it isn't. You're just pessimistic. Measurements don't tell the full story. Just like how THD isn't well understood, there's a lot of room in what a DAC can do while still measuring "good enough it has to be transparent" by current understanding (requirement which the Modi Multibit meets), and assuming none of it is worth doing is pessimistic AF, particularly when it hasn't been properly researched and the (non proper double blind) subjective reactions have been very positive.

What do the Shure SE215s sound like? I'm looking to get a nice pair of IEMs with a replaceable cable.
Any other similar recommendations?

>>60733379
Bassy. Very bassy and dark.

>Budget
Up to $400 USD
>Location
United States
>Source
Schiit Fulla coming from my PC
>Type
Over the ear headphones
>Open/closed
I've typically used closed, but open should be fine as well since I usually don't have a lot of outside noise.
>Comfort Level
Comfortable. Currently using a pair of AKG K240s and I can wear them for hours.
>Sound Signature
Not quite sure on this one. Maybe warm? I typically listen to hip-hop, rock, and electronic.
>Headphones I've liked
Currently have a pair of AKG 240s that I like. Looking for something different or a step up. I've used a friend's Fostex TH-X00s and Sennheiser HD-6XXs for a couple tracks and really enjoyed the sound from them.

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AKG k240 mk2

About to pull the trigger.

Yay or nay.

>>60733660
TH-X00
HD 650
Oppo PM3
K712

>>60709271
I have a razer headset, and I really like it.

Tell me that I'm a piece of shit.

>>60734038
It's okay to like what you like, anon. We're not the ones who spend your money.

>>60734071
IT WAS ON SALE STOP BULLYING ME

>>60734079
You could do better for the price but you like them, there's nothing we can do about what you do and don't like.

>>60734156
I got them on sale for $50 and an Antlion Modmic is $40. I couldn't help myself. why are you abusing me?

>>60734182
>$90
There's better options but you like your purchase so you're fine.

>>60734202
The $40 was saved because the razer headset didn't need to have a modmic added to make a functioning headset, so real price $10.

>tfw $10 is still overpriced for a razer product

I better not tell you about the free iphone case and other cool stuff it came with, you might beat me to death.

>>60734278
$10 for Kraken's is better than nothing.
>Free iPhone case
Sounds like you scored in my opinion. You can protect your phone now. Don't stick the mod mic on the Razer shit please, that's a spare mic right there.

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>>60709271
So my headphones busted recently after a couple years. I've always been
a headset user who plays a lot of games, but I also really enjoy good film and music being at high quality. At the general suggestion of fucking everyone I'm going to move over to a headphone-desk mic set, so I'll need both but the headphones take precedence. I want something really good but still practical for them, higher end of entry level (Price allowed). Maybe gonna record stuff with the desk mic for podcasts or creative things

>Budget
~$150. Flexible. I'll need to buy a mic with it, total budget is $200. the $200 is pretty firm.

>Location
USA. Florida.

>Source
PC

>Type of headphone
Full-sized

>Open or closed
I suppose open, as that's what I guess I'm used to, checking now, but I'm open to closed. Whatever's best.

>Comfort level
High as possible. Not to be overly stressed on it, I just want it to be more comfortable than not over long periods of use. I don't need head pillows, but we all prefer comfort.

>Sound signature
From listed, Bassy or V-Shaped. New to having good headphones, but I know I generally turn up bass. I had a "soundcard" on my last pair, and I always maxed the bass and put the treble very slightly higher than normal.

>Past headphones
I've been a huge pleb. I've used Turtle Beaches since like high school, as I started on consoles before going fully to PC and they were cheap and what I found to be good at the time. They kept breaking but I always got a good couple years out of them first.

I liked one that had an aforementioned "sound card" that came with it that controlled the bass, treble, chat volume, sound volume etc. that all worked as a PC thing. I also liked, on the earlier models, the excessively long like 15ft long cords. They aren't a nuisance for me and actually help for my setup. I really did enjoy having chat (Discord, Skype, etc.) on one channel and the system noise on another, but I understand if none of that is normal on higher end stuff.

>>60734901
Open:
Fidelio L2
668B + New pads (HM5 Hybrid/XPT100 Angled Pleather, HM5 Round pleather)

Closed:
CB-1
XPT100/HM5
Custom One Pro
DT770 80 Ohm/Custom Studio
Superlux HD 669/660 with new pads
Samson SR950

As for mics, I don't know too much about but the Samson Meteor competes with the Blue Yeti and is cheaper.

>>60733660
HD600. The best you can get with that budget. Generally considered better than HD650.

>>60734901
>I had a "soundcard" on my last pair, and I always maxed the bass and put the treble very slightly higher than normal.
Advice: Do not use that as a reference for what you prefer. Most likely you were just compensating for your equipment sucking.
Most people prefer neutral, as per harman's research.
With your budget, I'd suggest akg k702.

>>60734901
DT770 Pro 80 ohm limited edition, only closed will give you the bass that you want. The DT770 is also V-shaped.
>>60735333
This is shit advice, why would you recommend something against his tastes.
>>60733660
HD650 is safe since you heard the HD6xx which is a rebranded HD650.

>>60735358
By what he said, he doesn't know his tastes.

>>60734983
Taking a look at all these, thanks.


>DT770 80 Ohm/Custom Studio
What does Ohm mean for headsets? Looking at Amazon, the 80 Ohm one is more expensive than the one that's 250 Ohm, and it even looks like there's more features. I can't tell if that's a quirk or if there's a reason.

>>60735333
I figured as much about it, figured I'd mention it. I'd prefer a great plug-only system to a mediocre one with funny features/controls.

I'll take a look at neutral, is there a way to "simulate" or guess it before purchase? Like I said, newer to it.

>>60734901
To elaborate on a couple notes, seeing other posts and doing a couple searches:

>Open or Closed
I seem to have always had Semi-Open, and I like that. I don't want the whole world hearing what I'm listening to, but sometimes I do just play a video and hear it off my headphones on my desk if I don't need detail, sometimes I like to hear background noise if someone's calling for me (Don't live alone). Seeing that Semi-Open exists, that's the preference if relevant.

I've noticed other people mentioning favored music types and the like. I mostly listen to older analogue rock (David Bowie, Velvet Underground, etc.), but also a fair amount of Synthwave/Retrowave/Cyberpunk sort of stuff, if that matters. And like I said, I like high-quality film audio, so general quality is appreciated.

>>60735358
>>60735388
I know general tastes but I have little experience on headphones that naturally impart a sound, so I'm guessing on it. Since you both suggested the DT770, is this it?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0016MNAAI/ref=psdc_9059094011_t1_B000F4KWQI?th=1

And again I'll ask, what's the difference between Ohm levels? Because the 250 Ohm model seems to be the exact same thing but actually cheaper, and I figure there's a reason.

>>60735426
https://www.amazon.com/beyerdynamic-DT-770-Pro-Black/dp/B01ERLN180

Buy that one. 250 ohm comes with a coiled cable. 80 ohm comes with a straight cable. Both sounds the same. Since you're using it from a PC, the difference between the 250 and 80 ohm won't matter, it's just that the 80 ohm will play louder on portable devices which can't output much voltage.

The reasons for getting the 80 ohm limited edition are the black velours which keep their appearance longer.

>>60735426
>I figured as much about it, figured I'd mention it. I'd prefer a great plug-only system to a mediocre one with funny features/controls.
I used to do the same with my soundcard, on my non-neutral shitty computer speakers. The only way to make them sound "good" was to mess with the soundcard builtin eq knobs.
Then I got some neutral headphones, was unimpressed during the first day or two of use, then suddently everything sounded so good, so clear, and I found so many new things in songs I had listened to hundreds of times on speakers.
>I'll take a look at neutral, is there a way to "simulate" or guess it before purchase? Like I said, newer to it.
You'd need some headphones, a mic and software to test frequency response and to EQ... the alternative is to buy some test neutral headphones; that's what your budget can give you, actually. I'd suggest Sennheiser HD599, HD579, AKG k702, HD598se, in this order.
>I don't want the whole world hearing what I'm listening to
If your volume isn't insane, nobody should hear your open headphones from a few steps from you. Definitely nobody should hear if they aren't in the same room.
>genres of music
Generally unrelated to signature. Regardless, people into dubstep tend to prefer niggerbass headphones, and for "do-all" or for actual audio work, neutral is best.

>>60734556
Well I don't have an iphone, so it doesn't really help much

and I don't have a modmic, but if I bought one it would go on my HD558s, since I just got a new cord for them.

>>60710117
if you don't want the xpt100, they're good with srh-840 pleather pads.

>>60735542
>sneaking k702 in there
subtle

>>60735586
:^)

Tinny and veiled.

>>60732123
These are very comfortable and more than passable after EQ.

>>60735657
It's actually the most comfortable IEM I've ever used and I've used a lot.

>>60715231
th-x00 for sure. as form open, audeze if you can stand the comfort, or an elear or ether flow.

>>60735673
The angle that it goes into the ear at is just right.

>>60735684
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>>60735684
New thread.

>>60723747
the e10 and e10k both have line out

>>60735687
It also has very low microphonics as well.

>>60735731
Be sure to complain in the new thread as well.

>>60730383
>>60729387
oppo pm3

>>60735473
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>>60735586
Replied in other thread
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>>60730639
Are you fucking serious? No.

>>60723275
More V-shaped than bright desu, but close enough.

>>60732123
>dusty apple ear buds I don't even use
Doggo...you've fallen low...

Not that anon but...

>>60733282
>Measurements don't tell the full story
In this case the truly can. You just have to measure everything.

>There isn't that much work or interest in doing such work sadly.
Because it has already been done.

>THD isn't well understood
THD is understood, it's audibility is just very tricky to gauge from most measurements directly. We can at least establish just noticeable differences for it. If a device performance goes orders of magnitude below the just noticeable human audible limits, it's pretty clearly not going to be any source of coloration.

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>>60735778
Literally twice the price.

>>60740203
literally twice as good

>>60738978
>THD is understood, it's audibility is just very tricky to gauge from most measurements directly. We can at least establish just noticeable differences for it. If a device performance goes orders of magnitude below the just noticeable human audible limits, it's pretty clearly not going to be any source of coloration.
any good papers on THD to read?

>>60736760
Oh, go fuck yourself, you presumptuous little prick.

>How could he not have a wealth of audio knowledge to rival his stash of loli porn like true patricians such as myself?

I currently own mdr-v6.
I love the sound on these.

Is there any open headphones with similar sound and price?