/hpg/ - Headphone General

Why are HD6X0s so overrated?

I'm not saying they're bad, but the way people talk about them I was hoping for sonic heaven.

>>60682574
Because they're over hyped and memed around way too much for what they are. If you like them, good for you. If you don't, that's fine too because it all comes to your own preference.

>no visible vagine
Shit OP.

Also to the eurocuck, don't get the MSR7. Way too bright for anyone but weirdo nips.

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Brand SOL REPUBLIC.
Good, average or another Beats?

>>60682574
650s would be my idea home headphone if not for the:
- stiff construction
- CLAMP
- earpads that degrade after a couple years and you have to spend $65 in fucking foam for your several hundred dollar headphones

>>60682500
uh yeah. none of this cartoon porn shit buddy. only post respectable girls wearing respectable headphones next time.

>>60682649
Shit tier wanna be beats.

What is current budget kind?Still superlux hd 662 evo modded for 20$?

>>60682736
>animke webkite

>>60682574
Because they're the benchmark of neutral sound quality in headphones. Not everyone prefers this type of sound signature.
>>60682640
http://www.sam.hi-ho.ne.jp/t-suzuki/audio_headphones/audio-technica_ath-msr7.html

MSR7's treble response is really weird.

>>60682738
I have my AKGs. Just wanna know /hpg/ opinion.
Actually think they pretty good or yesterday I had problems with my ears.

>>60682876
They are not worst chink shit ever. But they still have about 30$ sound.
There are also many versions of them,big quality issues,shit breaks after week to most ppl. Check reviews,sound is pretty acceptable just the fact that they do not last long kinda kills it.

>Budget
preferably around 30-50, $75 limit
>Location
USA
>Source
Android phone
>Type of headphone
Bluetooth IEM
>Comfort level
Very important.
>Past headphones
Have the etymotic mc5 for IEMs. They're ok, I bought them because they feel nice. Own the dt1770 for actual listening at home.

I don't give a shit about sound quality as long as it's decent, I just want something that's wireless for the gym.
Please without those shitty plastic rings that go around the outside of the ear (detachable is fine). I've never tried out earbuds with those wing looking things, but anything comfy is good.

Thanks in advance.

>>60682999
nice trips, check out LG's range of bluetooth earphones

>>60682640
>Way too bright for anyone but weirdo nips
Do you think they are still too bright for some weirdo like me who enjoys to get raped by DT990's?

>>60682799
>MSR7's treble response is really weird.
Elaborate please. I'm no expert and all i know is subjective experience.

>>60683113
>Do you think they are still too bright for some weirdo like me who enjoys to get raped by DT990's?
You'd feel at home 2bh.

>>60683113
>Elaborate please. I'm no expert and all i know is subjective experience.
How it dips in the lower highs then rise back up, kinda like AKGs, gives it a metallic tone. Sorry if I'm using buzzwords but that's how it sounds to me.

>>60683080
Every single one of these has that weird neckband thing. Any other recs?
How hard will I get fucked if I just choose some no-name amazon top seller?

>>60683250
Make sure it has good reviews, I usually recommend LG for the sound quality since they're typically the best but you did say you don't give a shit about it.

>>60683280
I mean I've heard some pretty muddy IEMs, I just don't expect great sound anymore.
Everything has good reviews nowadays, which is why it's tough to distinguish something that's actually decent.
Thanks for the rec.

>>60683113
>>60682799
The measurement is rather non-standard. I would be wary of using these graphs as these would confuse more than help.
MSR7 response is not particularly strange. Typical peak around 9-10kHz, broadly lacking amplitude from 2-8kHz or so. The bass response is more even than most close-backed headphones, but the bottom octave is subject to steady cutoff.

>>60683131
>You'd feel at home 2bh.
Home sweet home. Maybe a store in my city has them so i can test them. If they sound like Beyers it's a no brainer for me.

>>60683208
>>60683514
So is that measurement reliable or not?

>>60683653
>So is that measurement reliable or not?
To leave out the exposition of how to perform acoustic measurements, no.

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What do sound signatures actually mean?

>>60683981
How it sounds, emphasized bass, emphasized treble, etc

>>60684048
What does that mean though? Does it make certain frequencies louder?

>>60684075
Some louder, others quieter

>>60683981
>>60684075
To put it in layman's terms: the "balance" of the frequencies that together make up the sound the headphone produces.

>>60682736
go, and stay go

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flac internet radio https://chiru.no:8081/stream.flac

read more at https://chiru.no/graph/whatis.html

Is soundstage real or not?

To follow up on the shitposting from last thread...

>>60685503
My 668B's sound wider than my PortaPros, so yes.
>inb4 Soundstage
>Real

>>60685202
Even tho I could not tell difference between mp2 and flac what annoys me more is that this "radio" plays such monotonous shit.
It's like A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B-A-B
for hours
I want some of that A-A-A-B-C-C-B-A-A-A-G-G-Z

>>60685571
It does play mc-donald farm song atm.
Is all your music from free to use archive youtube?

>>60685571
I love my mp2 files

I'm thinking about getting a Fulla 2 for my 598s. Is this a wise investment? I've read that 598s are right on the cusp of getting some meaningful improvement from an amp, but I wanted to get more opinions.

>>60685701
Used HD598 for 2 years and a half without an amp. Tried a fulla2 a friend bought. Blew my mind.
Ordered modi2u+magni2u after that. Not an improvement over the fulla2, at least not on HD598.

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SOON

>>60685781
What kind of music do you listen to? Not just genre and such, but formats, bitrates, that kind of thing. I occasionally resort to streaming music, so it may be a bit of a waste to get another piece of hardware.

>>60685962
My collection is mostly FLAC (from CDs).
I'll listen to anything, pretty much. Videogame music, demoscene, anime, metal, classical, idolm@ster/lovelive/idoletc.
Note that bitrate/compressionshit doesn't really matter here, it's not a "detail" thing. The FR of HD598 changes with an amp, due to really pronounced impedance variance across frequency.

>>60686166
Hm. Seems I still have a lot to learn.

Also, which is best idol and why is it Takane?

>>60686202
Because hara yumi.
But while I like her... I do favor umi (love live) and chihaya (im@s).

>>60686166
>The FR of HD598 changes with an amp, due to really pronounced impedance variance across frequency.

Does the same go for the 558? Will be using it with a FiiO E10K, if it matters.

What is closer to my old M40xs?
The 598s or the 880s?

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wat is this on my mdr v6?

>>60687182
Nothing, literally. Their rattlecan tier paint job is wearing off.

>>60687182
Damn, how old is that? Mine is 5 years old and the only problem it had was needing new pads (which seems to be your case too).

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How fucked am I if I can only power my 600ohm headphones with an E10K?

I'm really fucking torn here. Help me out:

can anyone list the merits and weaknesses of the following headphones, hopefully from someone who actually owns them

HD600 vs HE-400i vs DT880 600ohms

>>60687478
Probably better to power say DT880 600 Ohm with a Fulla2/Magni2 or O2. If you want to stay around E10K price range, DAC X6 or I believe the standalone amp version is the PHA-1 I think (not from sony, can be found on AliExpress)

>>60687514
Out of those three, i've only owned the HE-400i and I would describe them as darker HD 650s with better bass. All I can say for build quality is, despite being comfy and fitting me pretty well, it felt somewhat cheap to hold, despite its headband being pretty overall solid.

>>60687596
>Fulla2/Magni2 or O2
The Fulla2/Magni2 can't be shipped to where I live, and the O2 will take about a week, hence why I said how fucked am I.

>>60687596
>>60687625
However the e10k can be shipped tomorrow with prime.

>>60687625
On the E10K, you should be okay just don't expect it to get loud.

>>60687661
>you should be okay just don't expect it to get loud
How loud are we talking here?

Microwave beeps?
Phone alarm on max volume?
Fire alarm?
Live concert?

>>60687651
Get one of these instead

https://www.amazon.com/Monoprice-111567-Desktop-Headphone-Amplifier/dp/B00KVVX2QW

>>60687514
I own the HD600 and DT880.

Go with the HD600, more balanced of the two, less fatiguing while still being crystal clear. DT880 is good, it's comfier but has annoying sibilance, if you like airy treble then you would prefer the DT880.

>>60687682
What about a DAC then?
https://www.amazon.ca/s/ref=nb_sb_noss/144-7948803-6546610?url=search-alias%3Delectronics&field-keywords=DAC

>>60687726
It's actually a dac+amp, not just an amp.

>>60687750
Thank you so much

>>60687759
You're welcome, Anon.

>>60687679
Well what headphones we talking here?

>>60687196
>>60687246
Okay thanks. Mines is 4 years old, with 2 year old pads. It wiped right off. Why green, though?

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I have a pair of HD600's that I've been using for almost a year now, and been happy with them cause I wanted a flat signature when I bought them at the time. However preferences do change over time, and I do want something with more bass. Is it possible to take out the standalone HD600 drivers and throw in two HD650 drivers? They are about $150 USD on the spare parts sennheiser website.

Or is it better just to get a straight upgrade instead?

>>60687682
>>60687842
One more question, will it power the 880 600ohm decently?

>>60687873
These.
https://www.amazon.com/Beyerdynamic-880-Premium-600-Headphones/dp/B0024NK35S/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

>>60687935
Here's the pair chart for them
https://www.audiobot9000.com/match/beyerdynamic/dt-880-edition-600-ohms/with/monoprice/desktop-headphone-amplifier

Compared to the
>Objective02
https://www.audiobot9000.com/match/beyerdynamic/dt-880-edition-600-ohms/with/jds-labs/objective2

>Magni2 (not Uber)
https://www.audiobot9000.com/match/beyerdynamic/dt-880-edition-600-ohms/with/schiit/magni-2

>And the one I was originally planning to buy, the e10k
https://www.audiobot9000.com/match/beyerdynamic/dt-880-edition-600-ohms/with/fiio/e10k

Getting laid off soon and I'm thinking about downgrading from my HD800s. What else compares to that soundstage?

>>60687683
What about sub-bass? Is the HD600 really that good that you can just turn a blind eye to the lack of it?

Fuck, why are headphone reviews so unreliable? Everybody's saying contradicting things and all so very subjective.

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My Shure SE215's cable is kind of fucked.

I need a new one but I'd also like one that has a microphone in it.

Any suggestions?

I bought one off eBay ages ago but the microphonics were so bad it was completely useless.

>>60687935
>>60687953
It should be okay. It's not an amazing amp+dac or anything, but it should get the job done in that low price range.

>>60687982
see me >>60687922

The sub bass is lacking.

I feel like I've asked before so sorry in advance if anons have repeated themselves.

>Budget
$200 is my limit, but I'm a little flexible.
>Location
US
>Source
Mainly laptop for now, might build a PC in the future. These will be my home headphones.
>Type of headphone
Full size
>Open or closed
Absolutely closed.
>Comfort level
As high as I can get in my budget.
>Sound signature
Maybe v-shaped? I want bass to be audible but not overwhelming.
>Past headphones
Sennheiser open back 598s. Did not like the fact they had little audible bass and the open-ness of them. Those are the only "high end" ones I've ever had.

I listen to a different array of tunes. Hip hop, metal, classic rock, some classical, electronic, some pop. Bit of everything. I'd like some that work with all of it.

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>>60688071
This is fucking ridiculous. Does the DT880 have better sub-bass or not? AAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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>>60688302
I'm not a basshead. I just want present, tight, and clean bass---all the way down to the sub-bass.

If anons here say that the HD600's sub-bass leave much to be desired, what about the DT880s?

>>60688302
>>60688421
Get an HD650 instead

>>60688421
If you want V-shape + sub-bass get the DT770 (closed) or DT990 (open) if you don't mind airy treble.
DT880 are great but i think they have the worst bass of those three, shouldn't be a deal breaker though.

>>60688695
>>60688463
Really, I just want to be able to differentiate 40Hz from 60Hz as an example. I don't want it to be "just there."

>>60686659
http://graphs.headphone.com/index.php?graphID%5B0%5D=2861&graphID%5B1%5D=2851&graphID%5B2%5D=&graphID%5B3%5D=&scale=20&graphType=7&buttonSelection=Update+Graph
Yes.

>>60687625
>The Fulla2/Magni2 can't be shipped to where I live
http://schiit.com/faq/international

>>60688745
Never actually tried to seperate all those low frequencies but they should be able to do this. DT's have imho superb, clean and precise bass.

>>60688793
Sorry, I wasn't clear enough.

via Amazon prime.

Are external DACs really necessary? I don't hear any noises from my laptop line out.

>>60682658
The clamp is easily fixed in 2 minutes. Can't disagree with you on the other points but the trade off is worth it for the 600 in my case.

>>60682500
Anyone else with a schiit stack or just magni 2. Does your magni 2 get slightly hot when the weather is warm? is this normal?

>>60687979
Can't compare to the 800's but the 702 has the biggest soundstage I've ever heard. At least compared to all the obvious 'big' headphones in the £100-£300 price range

>>60689178
They're optional until you have good amp and headphones.

What's your choice for listening orchestral music in hi-mid tier? (except DT880 and HD6x0)

>>60690722
Neat. So feeding an O2 or a Magni 2 with the analog output of my laptop is fine, right? Adding a DAC to the budget would be too much for me.

>>60688184
DT770 pro 80 ohm.
V shaped, awesome bass, and super comfy.

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>>60683653
Always better to search multiple plots and understand what sort of conditions the measurements were done under.

http://reference-audio-analyzer.pro/en/report/hp/audio-technica-ath-msr7.php
http://goldenears.net/board/GR_Headphones/5398387
https://www.innerfidelity.com/images/AudioTechnicaATHMSR7.pdf

>>60682574
Being overrated is subjective. It's an affordable version of a classic model which many people like.

>>60684075
>Does it make certain frequencies louder?
Or quieter, the frequency magnitude. Bandwidth(how low and high the headphones can play) and the relative loudness of the frequencies within this band basically defines how a headphone sounds like. Pic related is a measurement of in-ear headphones which show a notably bassy frequency response.

>>60686166
>The FR of HD598 changes with an amp, due to really pronounced impedance variance across frequency.
Only if amplifier has high output impedance and you can equalize that away.

>>60686659
Yes but what happens is predictable, fixable with equalization and happens only if amplifier has high output impedance.

http://reference-audio-analyzer.pro/report/hp/sennheiser/sennheiser-hd-558/Sennheiser_HD%20558_Center_-_-_HDM-X_-_90_20-20k_-_fr_amp_flat.png

>>60688184
DT770 80 Ohm
For something a little more portable with more accessories/options - Custom Studio

>>60690655
>Does your magni 2 get slightly hot when the weather is warm? is this normal?
Yes and yes.

>>60691685
I thought so but just wanted to check. Thanks.

>>60691704
Interestingly, it also gets more or less hot depending on what's plugged to them (HD598 way hotter than HD600), and depending on whether you're playing music (makes it colder).

>>60691365
What's the difference between the Custom Studio and the Custom One Pro?

Is Soundmagic E10 still considered the good budget earphones or is there a new good alternative?

>>60691808
Different drivers. The custom studio uses DT770 80 Ohm drivers and has a coiled detachable. Custom One Pro has an inferior driver and has a straight detachable.

>>60688421
HD600 bass is well enough for most of the songs and it's midrange is THE BEST out of all similarly priced headphones period. It is forward, vocals are more in your face, and doesn't have a dip in the upper midrange/lower treble that contributes perfectly to female vocals. But it's achilles heel is most of electronic music due to sub bass roll off and call me an audiopfool but even before all the reviews and shit I went to the shop asking for HD600 and having no knowledge on beyerdynamics and after switching them for at least 1,5 hours beyerdynamics sounded faster.

I didn't spend much time with DT880, but impression I've got is that bass was tighter on it, and they somehow sounded faster. They also sounded 'cleaner' probably due to the treble peak but what puzzled me less detailed then HD600. Some parts in the song sounded less clear and a bit muffed in comparison to HD600. Only after getting HD600 I started to go down the rabbit hole, looking at FR response and discovering dip in upper mids that DT880 had.

Conclusion, give us music that you listen to. HD600 struggles at electronic music but does pretty much everything from good to superb and I don't think HD650 will be solution to sub bass problem since it doesn't really add that much of it and just lowers the treble which I found bad unless you get fatigue from HD600 forward mid and full treble, some people do surprisingly but very few.

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>>60690655
>hot
can comfirm magni 2 gets very hot with hd600 plugged in, and not just in hot weather, strangely when in passthrough mode (playing through speakers) it hardly even gets warm

the only gripe I have with magni is when sometimes I switch my fan on, or use shredder it fucking stops playing/resets... they could have made the design better in this department

>>60692187
>They also sounded 'cleaner' probably due to the treble peak but what puzzled me less detailed then HD600
Audiophools tend to confuse that fake "clarity" feel from raised treble with "detail". You've seen the difference, which is a good thing.

>>60691724
Hang on, it changes even when it's idle and no music is playing, based on whats plugged in? but gets colder when it is being used?

>>60692336
>the only gripe I have with magni is when sometimes I switch my fan on, or use shredder it fucking stops playing/resets... they could have made the design better in this department
Same room (vibrations?) or electric issues (power supply?).
Mine's never done this, even with the 10kW/h electric shower and massive vibrations due to shitty wooden floor. Maybe your unit is faulty? :X

>>60690655
I've got a Magni 2.
It gets how, but not fire hazard hot.
That's why it's got the holes drilled in the top, but the Modi doesn't

>>60692336
Thats interesting. I haven't had my magni long and I started switching it off due to the weather and switching it back on etc. Does yours sometimes take like 5-10 seconds before it actuall produces sound? I'm pretty sure I hear a little click on mine then it starts working. That's the only negative I can say but If i'm actually listening to music it stays on so it doesn't really matter.

>>60692517
One of my monitors turns off for a few seconds whenever someone turns a certain light switch on and off downstairs. Could be something random and weird like that. Possibly to do with the power supply being used.

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What do people mean by "analytical" and "fun" sounding? Is anything marked studio or pro somehow not usable to the common man who just wants to listen to music?

>>60692503
I know, wtf, but yes.

>>60692619
>analytical vs fun
Anything that's not at least targetting neutral is a scam. V-shaped crap sounds good @ shop, to untrained ears, when tested for a short amount of time.

>>60692797
So it's just another case of fun as a buzzword?

Some question about front panel audio
>is there any quality loss when compared to rear audio
>is there even difference between front and rear (in other words does front panel audio quality depend on the PC case or just the motherboard ?)

>>60692883
>fun
Generally used as an excuse for "non-neutral". Whether that's fun... harman studies disagree.

My M40Xs sound a bit quiet when plugged into my pc and I'm not sure why. I think even on my phone it's louder. I shouldn't need an amp cause it's only 35ohms so what could it be?

I've also noticed flac files are a quieter than my 320kbps stuff but I think that's a foobar thing I need to mess with when I get home today

>>60692891
>is there any quality loss when compared to rear audio
Depends on the board and case. On mine, headphone amp only works with front audio, so headphones do sound so much better when plugged there directly vs plugged on the back directly.
>is there even difference between front and rear (in other words does front panel audio quality depend on the PC case or just the motherboard ?)
Board, case and everything else you have in there. It might be noisy due to travelling inside the pc case near noisy components, or it might be just fine.

>>60692022
Damn, sounds like a killer deal, surprising they're not recommend more. Would definitely grab a pair if I didn't already have the DT770, might still for portable use.

Is the detachable propietary and are they easier to drive than 770's?

The 80 ohm version gets loud enough from my phone but it's almost full volume. Seems like that would hamper any potential for portable use with the Custom Studio like it seems they're intended for.

>>60690733
R70X or AD1000X

You guys are niggers. Save up for some real headphones and amplifiers.

>>60693283
Give suggestions then, you double nigger

>>60691135
Interesting read with those graphs.

In case you/somebody cares about the topic i started last thread:
Went to a shop today and listened to the MSR7. They sound really good but can get a little thin or tinny at the top, unlike Beyers who have ear rape treble, but good one.
Overall imho the MSR7 beat the MDR-1A simply because the MSR7 don't completely destroy some songs due to bleeding muddy bass all over the place.
Really thinking about buying them. Comfort with stock pads is ok, clamp is ok, the headband is bad since no memory foam, but i can live with it, MDR-1A are better overall in regards to comfort.
Also the cable on MSR7's is garbage and feels like 0.99ct chink shit.
With all honesty, i try to like the MDR-1A's but i just can't accept that some songs become so bad with the bass, i think it's the MSR7's for me unless i find something better at a similar price with is 200 Euroshekels.

Anon who has having problems with HD600 here.
Came to the conclusion that it's probably my ears at fault.
Just got brand new 9500s and feel the same thing happening, left side slightly louder than the right, so not activating the warranty on the 600s, thank you all for the help : )

>>60693314
If you can handle MSR7 treble, I'd go for them or something Beyer. DT770 for home use or Custom Studios for portable. 770's are very comfortable.

At the price point, you could just get DT770 (possibly used depending on Euro prices) for home use and then something like Creative Aurvana Live or CB-1 for portable use.

>>60693505
Yay, at least you now know. I'd suggest a visit to the ear-specialized doctor.

>>60687182
Fucking gross. Take care of your cans people.

Also,
>that bare mattress

>>60693076
The detachable isn't proprietary (3.5mm male to male). I'm not sure if it's easier to drive or not since theyre the same drivers. Did I forget to mention you can adjust the bass? There's 4 presets through a bass port slider.

>>60693642
The slider has me intrigued. Does that cause them to isolate less and leak more than the DT770?
Might buy them to try and sell the 770's

>>60692563
yes, sound delay is actually a feature I believe (its like 9 or ten seconds, there is a notice on schiit site about)

>>60692517
I am pretty sure its electrical, I also have it plugged into extension with loads of other shit plugged into it, so it must be poor power supply, however most decent electronics manage to deal with this issue, it really feels like magni is amateur piece of kit regarding this.

>>60692563
>>60693728
It's a protection measure, done with a relay, so that startup is delayed and poweroff is immediate, protecting your load (headphones) from electronic glitches during startup/poweroff.

>>60693708
Maybe ever so slightly. It's an open port, it's gotta leak a little though won't be enough to bother anyone around you.

>>60692772
>>60693728
>>60693749

That's some weird but interesting info. Cheers.

>>60693728
>so it must be poor power supply, however most decent electronics manage to deal with this issue, it really feels like magni is amateur piece of kit regarding this.
The power supply wallwart is the only part of the magni that's chink. Still, it has really high capacitance. Maybe you got a bad wallwart in the wallwart lottery?

>>60688421
>If anons here say that the HD600's sub-bass leave much to be desired, what about the DT880s?
HD600's sub-bass output is fine. Most speakers can't even produce sub-bass output that good. There are headphones that do sub-bass better but when people say the sub-bass leaves a lot to be desired it's usually shitposting in the form of nitpicking. You could also EQ in extra sub-bass if you'd like but an argument would be made that if you're EQing, you don't need the HD600 and any cheap headphone that isn't shit would work.

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>>60693913
fuck knows, I now very little about electronics and schiit warn on their site not to use any other power supply but the one they provided. So I just deal with it

>>60693983
Well, the thing is they use an AC wallwart. Most wallwarts output DC. So unless you know very well what you're doing, you're better off not attempting to use random wallwarts.

>>60693283
I already dropped $700 on my entry into the hobby this year. I skipped lo-fi hell, and didn't get memed. What more do you want from me?

>>60693873
There's a video floating around YouTube of a K702 in a Schiit amp (Asgard I think?) doing this weird crinkle everytime the amp was turned off and on again while the headphones were plugged into it back before the relay was added.

>>60693957
>You could also EQ in extra sub-bass if you'd like but an argument would be made that if you're EQing, you don't need the HD600 and any cheap headphone that isn't shit would work.

The 600 sound incredible on their own but I use a slight bass EQ on mine and it doesn't make them sound like any other headphone. They still sound exactly like hd600, but they have a tiny bit of rumble to them on bass heavy songs.

>>60694113
>>60693873
nvm found it
https://youtu.be/tCZ-AJQOiDg

>>60694113
Note the Asgard was one of their first if not their very first product, and they added relays to all non-shipped products + retrofitted relays for free to already delivered products.

>>60693283
Such as what? are the 600 and schiit stack not good enough for you?

>>60694144
magni2 is definitely not enough for hd600

>>60694154
That's absolute bullshit.

>>60694154
>magni2
>not enough
Go back to head-fi.

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>>60694154
Is this bait? Really makes me think desu

>>60690995
>>60691365
What's the difference between the 80 ohm and 250 ohm?

>>60692619
It's a meme, basically the same way some headphones are marketed as having "boosted bass" and shit like that.
I would mostly suggest just buying whatever is the better balanced and more expansive sounding of the cans you're interested in. don't fall for the Jewish trickery of "studio quality" shit like the meme50x, or "fun sounding", or any other marketing gimmicks, just get whatever sounds best to you.

>>60694281
The impedance
??
Higher impedance rating = harder to drive

>>60694171
>>60694178
>>60694200
its like you like to listen low volume, I mean dont get me wrong most of the time its OK, but sometimes when you just want to listen to really loud music magni2 can only go so far. I end maximising volume on windows but at that point is sound becomes shit (clipping or whatever its called)

>>60694302
>Higher impedance rating = harder to drive
Fuck, okay. Felt like a stupid question but I was still confused.

>>60685202
>https://chiru.no:8081/stream.flac
this music is shit

>>60694313
That shouldn't happen. Turning up volume in Windows won't cause clipping on its own, you might have another issue with your amp or with a cable

>>60694319
All good Anon, duckduckgo is your friend

>>60694302
>Higher impedance rating = harder to drive
kek

>>60694313
>I end maximising volume on windows but at that point is sound becomes shit (clipping or whatever its called)
You might want a dac, like the modi2u, to complement your magni2u,
So you get an idea, I listen to music mostly between 9-12 o'clock @ knob, with magni2 gain LOW, on my HD600. At high gain, it gets real loud. Anywhere past 12 is so loud it probably isn't healthy.

>>60694313
You want Windows sound to be at 100%. That is the worst place you could possibly apply volume control.

>>60694020
>thinking price has anything to do with it
Sounds like you did get memed.

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Is anyone able to help me out here. I'm trying to repair my old Sennheiser HD215 headphones. The right channel isn't working, no audio whatsoever. Twiddling the cable changes nothing. I've unscrewed and taken apart everything. I've just watched a few videos on the basics of soldering and desoldering. But I don't know what part of the cable could be damaged. I suspect the cable is damaged due to water exposure due to rain, or damaged due to being bunched up. If it's unresponsive, do I need to replace the whole cable? Where can I buy an identical cable?

>>60692619
Nothing specific. Both lack definition. If one's ability to describe sound ends to this sort of nonsense you should probably ignore it. It's all too common to see that.

>>60692941
Anon please. The studies don't tell how individual person feels about a sound signature. They can't tell you something like that. The highly preferred headphone response was basically bass boost below 100 Hz and neutral for the rest. Fun could mean a variety of things and it could be differ from general preference.

>>60694281
Lower voltage sensitivity. 250 Ohm version will be more quiet from the same input.

>>60694521
Why? Quantization noise is hardly a realistic concern.

>>60694020
Are you sure your "$700 entry" isn't low-fi?

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>>60694459
oh shit I completely forgot about the gain control lol

>>60694681
kek.

>>60694545
No, I was very wary about being memed and did months of research before actually deciding on anything to buy.

>>60694571
>Are you sure your "$700 entry" isn't low-fi?

I'm still learning, but yes

>>60694521
>>60694571
>you want windows at 100%
With a proper, external DAC, sure.
But with onboard audio, for some shitty motherboards, 100% clips.

>>60694410
Why jej?
Am confuse
I try to explain in layman's for this guy

>>60694313
What the absolute fuck. 99% of the time I don't even need to use high gain.

>>60694896
>With a proper, external DAC, sure.
And again, how exactly? Intersample overs? Something else?

Windows volume does not extrapolate. You will not clip anything because of it. It can merely cut the full scale signal or not touch it. The only harm in reducing the volume in software is limiting the dynamic range imposed by bit depth. Worrying about the LSBs is just about the least relevant thing in listening.

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>>60694154

>>60693534
DT770 are great but i prefer the DT990 for home use since they are open. Custom Studios aren't designed for mobile you if you ask me. They don't fold and they are havier than DT's.

>Creative Aurvana Live or CB-1
No idea about those but i will look into them, thanks. For now MSR7 are my favorite.

Anyone actually own the MSR7s? I'd like a real opinion on their bass but my third world country has no places to try headphones. Hard to trust reviewers who get free samples, and maybe a little something extra.

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Not directly related to headphones but whatever.

My mobo has a S/PDIF out optical port (Realtek ALC1220 chipset if that matters) but the amplifier (pic related) I want to buy only has RCA inputs.

Is there any benefit going through the trouble of using a DAC instead of simply using a jack to RCA cable?

Philips FX3: detailed enough, not feeling like missing anything, nice deep bass. Foldable (kinda), lightweight, noise cancelling: I`d say enough to enjoy music, not enough to drift away from reality, a good compromise. People with large ears could find them annoying a bit. Overall impression is very good for the price I paid for them and my 3rd level musical taste.

>>60696245

Onboard sound cards usually suck big time when it comes to analog output, at least if nothing changed since I last checked (and I don`t think so). Apart from DAC you can consider a decent USB sound card, such setup works good enough for me, but I`m not an audiophile.

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>>60697443
>$60 USD

HD600's arrived today.
Initial impressions: Clamp isn't that bad - people are babies, bass seems pretty present, haven't turned the Fulla 2 past 11 o'clock. I don't understand how people could possibly need to approach even close to full volume.

Verdict: not meme'd.

Whats yhe difference between hd600, 650 and 700,
I have 600, should I buy 650 or 700?

>>60698365
>600
The good headphones.
>650
Colored version with less treble (dark) and more bass for millennials. Still pretty good, but not as good as 600.
>700
v-shaped garbage almost nobody likes.

>>60698436
Thats an informative description of 700

>>60698365
>I have 600, should I buy 650 or 700?
No.

>>60698173

Got them used for $2 :P
Plus 10 minutes soldering a wire, plus 5 minutes disinfecting the cushions.

>>60690655
I cook eggs on my Schiit Magni 2.

>>60698214
Good stuff. I ended up stretching mine out, though I do have a big head. I didn't notice the distortion on the fulla past the 12-12 mark at first but it's definitely there, and whenever you need to go higher for any reason it's not satisfying being limited after spending a lot of money. I ended up buying a magni 2 to pair with my fulla 2 as a dac only and I couldn't be happier. I'd much rather have the fulla alone for it's size, outputs and usb power but it doesn't quite cut it overall. Still a good choice though. Enjoy it.

>>60698365
600 is better than the 650. Can't speak for the 700 but it's supposed to be shit.>>60698535
>12-12

>>60698535
>12-12

12-2 mark

>>60698365
If you've got the HD600 the only step up is the HD800 with EQ.

>>60698436

Thoughts on HD540? Have a pair in rough shape. Worth restoring?

>>60698582
>HD800 with EQ

if you have to eq your cans after taking them out of the box something isn't right

>>60698602
>Worth restoring?
Not him, but hell fucking yes.

>>60697599
>suck big time when it comes to analog output

What about digital output then? Instead of the Yamaha R-S300, I can get the Onkyo A9010 which has a S/PDIF input.

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Does anyone know if the $28 PortaPros on Ebay shipped from China are fake?

Seems too good to be true.

>>60698729
Not sure about dollars but in pounds those black ones are much more expensive than the normal color. $28 sounds okay for the normal version though?

>>60698634

Can`t tell much about it, theoretically it`s all ones and zeros that go through the cable, though there are nitpickers able to find reasons to complain. For starters, an amplifier with internal DAC seems to be a good idea, but I`d rather not choose an amp solely on a basis whether it has a DAC or not. But then again, I have a policy of not even considering amps younger more than 5 years than me (so nothing after 1980), so my opinion may be not up to present reality.

>>60698602
>HD540
Hell yes.

>>60698615
>>60698796

Thanks, they need a lot of work, and I mean a fucking lot, but now I got some motivation.

>>60698729
you can usually tell from the way they call them.

there's 2 different red ones. "red hot"(fake), and "firered"(real)

What are your black ones called, OP?

I was planning to buy the hyperx cloud II but i was considering the revolver, which one should I buy?
I'll use them for vidya and music.

What's the best cheapo DAC+amp combo I can get if I don't need one for volume purposes, but am getting interference from my shitty mobo onboard?

>>60698935
The red ones are called 'on fire' in the UK and europe. Just throwing it out there.

>>60698962
Schiit Fulla 2, as sold on schiit.com

>>60698962
Probably a USB Sabre DAC from HifiMedley or an anon link one from Amazon that's $20 with seperate headphone and mic in, volume knob and a somewhat decent amp. Your situation sounds like you just need a DAC if your headphones are decently efficient.

The anon that linked the $20 AMP/DAC was last thread I forgot to mention.

>>60698962
if you're not too bothered and want to get rid of noise then the e10k or fulla 2 are the bets, depending on what's cheapest for you.

>>60699067
>>60699046
Actually a sabre dac will give you what you want, but if the price is very close to the e10k or fulla 2 you might as well just get one of those, even just for future proofing. Your choice.

>>60699018
you're right. it doesn't say on the headphones themselve and i don't have the packaging anymore so i went with the first thing google told me.

>>60698935
They're just listed as "black", "red/black", "blue/black".

99% positive feedback on seller.

http://www.ebay. com/itm/222471560233?var=521324168827

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>>60682500
thank you to the guy who suggested hd600s to me a day or 2 ago. they arrived today, enjoying them a lot. grabbed a fulla 2 as well

My DT880's pads are starting to smell like shit because of sweat or whatever, how should I clean/remove the smell?

>Budget
$50 but if I need to spend more I'm willing to spend a bit more
>Location
US
>Source
Desktop computer and iPhone
>Type of headphone
Full size
>Open or closed
Open or closed whatever sounds best
>Comfort level
As high as I can get in my budget.
>Sound signature
Idk enough to know what I want
>Past headphones
Beats (don't judge they were a gift) and apple things

>>60699861
Amazing combo, enjoy!

>>60699861
That's probably me. Glad it went well \o/
You'll find it gets better and better the more you listen to it, as your ears get used to the sound.

>Budget
$100 but can go as high as $200 if it's really worth it.
>Location
France, but I can ship to the US without any inconvenience.
>Source
Desktop, phone, old-ass iPod.
>Type of headphone
The kind that cover my ears completely.
>Open or closed
Don't care.
>Comfort level
Very comfy.
>Sound signature
I don't know what that is.
>Past headphones
Cheap crap, gamer crap.

What DAC should I get to pair with my ODAC and dt880?

Are grados a meme

>>60699939
https://www.amazon.fr/Sennheiser-HD-599-Casque-circum-auriculaire/dp/B01L1IICR2/
https://www.amazon.fr/Sennheiser-HD-579-Casque-circum-auriculaire/dp/B01L1IIF1K/
https://www.amazon.fr/AKG-Casque-ouvert-Dynamic-Reference/dp/B001RCD2DW/

>>60699899
thanks mate

>>60699917
ended up being about 500 aud, i could've got a fiio e10k for 100 instead of the fulla for 200 but i saw mixed reviews for it.

>>60699972
>What DAC should I get to pair with my ODAC
I'm confused. You have a dac and want an alternative one?

>>60699976
2 of these are over $200, and the third is at the very top of the stretch budget.

>>60699983
>e10k vs fulla2
You did well. Fulla2 mops the floor with the e10k.

>>60699991
Shit, meant to say O2, the amp one.

>>60699976
https://www.amazon.es/Sennheiser-HD-599-Auriculares-abiertos/dp/B01L1IICR2/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1496360253&sr=8-5&keywords=hd+598

The HD 599 are cheaper on the Spanish site, maybe if you could get them with free shipping.

>>60700005
Sorry, did interpret as € because of the France part. Then add this to the list.
https://www.amazon.fr/Sennheiser-HD598SE-Spéciale-Casque-Circum-Aural/dp/B0126HISOO/
Also, see >>60700037

>>60700014
Fulla2's both a good DAC (with a dedicated DAC output) and a decent amp that will compete with your O2's. Else look into the Modi2 Uber or Multibit. Don't bother with the std Modi2, as that's bad value vs fulla2.

>>60700066
I think none of these are 24/192, they are 24/96 as much. Not that I'd notice, but it would be good as knowing that I have the power. Just placebo and status shit.

>>60700095
If you want that placebo, the fulla2 is 24/96, the other two do 24/192.

>>60700096
Oh, my bad, didn't see that you have to use a driver or whatever.

I'll try to look into it for this summer, thought it's a pitty that they won't match at all, I don't know if I should go for the standalone OCAD.

>>60700066
>Don't bother with the std Modi2, as that's bad value vs fulla2.

I use the fulla as a dac and the standard magni 2 as an amp. I'm assuming the fulla will work like 99% the same as the modi dac? modi is fucking pointless if that's the case.

>>60700120
>Oh, my bad, didn't see that you have to use a driver or whatever.
Standard USB audio class1 for 24/96, class2 for 24/192.
On Linux and OSX, both are fine. On Windows, class1 is fine, but for class2, you'll need to either run win10 creators edition (they added class2 driver finally!) or download/install the drivers from schiit website.

>>60700149
Exactly. That my point. They even have the same DAC chip and everything.
There's a point to uber (extra spdif inputs + wall power instead of USB) and to the multibit (entirely different architecture, very good reviews).

>>60700189
Yeah that was my plan, since the fulla has a lot of features.

Are you saying that the new modi is supposed to sound better? is it not just a headfi meme?

>>60699894
Open: MDR-MA300
Closed: ATH-M20x
Open will usually sound better but some people do prefer closed, mostly bassfaggots. If you're wearing them outside for the love of god get closed.
>>>/g/csg will have more things for members of your economic bracket.
Also are you black? I'm getting black vibes from you.

>>60700280
>Are you saying that the new modi is supposed to sound better? is it not just a headfi meme?
I can't say. I haven't heard it myself. Specs wise, it should be indistinguishable. Emphasis on should. Yet, people love it.
It is something I'm personally curious about, but I'm not touching yet; I'll let the multibit thing mature. I do have an uber stack which I'm fine with for the short and mid term, together with my HD600.
My current focus is on other stuff @ my life, once that's taken care of, I'll buy more headphones, which is still more interesting than DACs.

>>60700328
Yeah, dacs are the least interesting bit I agree. I use 600's with my 'stack' also. No need to rush into anything buddy. I don't plan on changing any of mine for a long long time. Possibly the fulla for another dac but I'm not too bothered at this point, same as you.

>Budget
200

>Location
US

>Source
PC/Smart phone

>Type of headphone
Over ear

>Open or closed
Closed

>Comfort level
Comfortable

>Sound signature
Good lows

>Past headphones
ATH-M40x

>>60700066
>>60700037
Thanks, I'll look into these.

>>60700283
Nah just a poor college kid

>>60692187
I listen mostly to electronic music with female vocals. From what you said, the HD600 would be better for the vocals, but the DT880 would be better on the electronic part.

From what I've gathered, the DT880 has the better soundstage and separation, which is great as I watch a fair amount of movies and tv shows too.

So who's the better all-rounder?

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Will I notice any difference in quality between a $100 DAC and a $1000 DAC with the same headphones or comparable complementing audio equipment?
I have a PreSonus AudioBox and HD 280s right now and am considering upgrading to something different, I think it sounds pretty nice but its the only decent set of equipment that I have ever owned.

>Budget
$300-$500 or slightly above
>Location
US
>Type of headphone
Full-sized
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Don't really mind
>Sound signature
Preferably neutral or bright, not very big on bass
>Past headphones
HD 280s, and various shitty headsets

>>60701137
>better all-rounder?
The BEST all-rounder there is -> HD600.
You don't have to believe me, go watch a bunch of reviews of it to confirm.

>>60701201
Does it absolutely have to be closed?
With open and your budget, you could go HD600, which is a massive improvement over the HD280.
>$100 vs $1000 dac
No fucking way.

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Is the Fulla 2 worth $40 over the first Fulla?
Is the FiiO E10K worth $15 over the first Fulla?

>>60701449
>$100 vs $1000 dac
>No fucking way.

What are you implying by this? I don't know what you mean.

>>60701514
That you won't hear an improvement from paying $1000 on a dac unless your previous dac just sucked.
There's good dacs at $100 and less, and except for unicorns like the multibit, there's no improvement to be had above that.

>>60701490
>Is the Fulla 2 worth $40 over the first Fulla?
Different (better) dac, shitload more functionality, much improved amp that can provide way more power. Yes, definitely.

>>60682500
What are the BEST headphones?
aaand what kind of specs does one look for in headphones?

>>60701576
>What's the BEST headphones
HD600, definitely!
>aaand what kind of specs does one look for in headphones?
Frequency response. How neutral it is, as in how close to harman's ideal FR.

>>60701490
Yes.
No.

>>60701576
Sonoma Model One.
Fidelity. The rest is personal preferences and autism.

>>60701201
>Will I notice any difference in quality between a $100 DAC and a $1000 DAC with the sa
haha

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Has anyone else had battery drain problems in low power mode with Rockbox 3.14 using the clip+?

It might not be related to the firmware and just might be a coincidence of the battery starting to fail. It's a miracle the unit is still working on original parts

>>60701576
You should look at FR, THD, CSD plots, and square wave. Don't listen to the FR only retards, they don't know what they're talking about.

>>60701624
https://www.innerfidelity.com/images/SonomaModelOne.pdf

looks like shit 2bh

>>60682649
i own a pair. ive had them for over 3 years and they are OK. They fit really really tight and get uncomfortable soon.

I was looking to get a Schiit Dac/Amp combo, until I learned that the preamp on the Magni 2 Uber basically mutes any time you have your headphones plugged. Unlike my E10k just outputs at full volume via a 3.5mm output. I'm able to run the pre amp on it to any combination of speakers. Would anyone be able to suggest a headphone dac/amp or even combo within 250 dollars that doesn't have the same issue the Schiit does?

my dt770 suddenly just lost what sounds like all frequencies below 100hz... it's properly plugged in and wiggling the cable does nothing. my hd598's works just fine... wat do

>>60703165
E10k doesn't have a pre amp out so...

>>60703165
>Using speakers and headphones at the same time
Why?
Seems gluttonous anon.

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I have the Xiaomi Piston 3, and I really liked them when I bought them, but now they're dying.

So, with what earphones should I replace them? Are the Hybrid pro the same thing but better?

What other earphones would you recommed? (Can be something more expensive)

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Is there any decent upgrade from my HD598's I should consider that are as comfy? These are seriously the comfiest headphones I've ever used, and the only ones that my glasses don't interfere with.

>>60703976
600s

>>60701201
Price is not necessarily an indicator of how good a piece of gear is. There are countless examples of megabuck gear underperforming. Do some research and find a local shop with good DACs and listen to them yourself.

>>60701624
>one sided estat
>best

Pick one. You're inherently going to get more distortion out of a single sided estat driver than one with two stators. The claim that this is fixed through DSP is dubious imo.

>>60703985
Oh wait jk, I'm not ready to sink money into an amp as well. I guess I'll stay happy where I am

Are beyerdynamic DT770 pro 80 Ohm good for general music listening? If yes, what other hardware would i need to purchase to make them sound better?

>>60698608
If you don't EQ your headphones you are just satisfied with lower quality sound.

>>60702588
How do you think CSD or square waves are relevant if we have FR? THD is nice to see but there's not much you can judge quality wise from it.

Just purchased some Philips SHP9500S. They're ok, but coming from some ATH-AD700X, I can't help but be bothered by the pad on the headband pressing on my head.

Since I'm super used to the 'wings' that ATH utilizes, are there any other headphones w/stuff like that for maximum comfort? I want to forget I'm even wearing headphones.

><$200 preferably
>comfort is top priority
>open or closed, I use this pretty much for gayman and music
>MUST have a detachable cable

>>60701201
If one of those DACs is really, really bad maybe. Otherwise no. Price won't tell you. Quality of DAC does not correlate with the headphone load. Converter is rarely a concern.

>>60701576
>BEST
Everyone has their opinion.
>specs
For audio quality you look at the frequency response. Impedance and sensitivity will tell you additional information on what kind of a load the headphones are to your amplifier. As best is subjective, you'll need to understand your own preferences and measured data thoroughly to make a judgement.

Don't forget comfort or whatever other features you want from the headphones.

>>60701544
"Multibit" or R2R/segmented DACs aren't an improvement.

>>60702588
>retards
>they don't know what they're talking about
>suggests looking at square waves and CSD
Even the THD is a stretch. Answer >>60705001

>>60705001
You can see ringing/resonances at certain frequencies.

>>60703165
> I learned that the preamp on the Magni 2 Uber basically mutes any time you have your headphones plugged.
The Fulla2 DAC output is always on, and doesn't mute regardless of headphones plugged.
Maybe you want to use that at least as DAC? The amp it has will likely suffice for your needs, too.

>>60703976
>>60704132
You don't need an amp for HD600, unlike HD598. Their impedance vs freq is quite stable, so they sound good without one.

>>60705253
>so they sound good without one
no.

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>>60705253
>Their impedance vs freq is quite stable

What did he mean by this?

>>60705318
Yeah. High value goes up to 2x or so the low value.
With the HD598, it's far more extreme.

>>60705336
True enough. I still wouldn't call the 600 'quite stable' though. The impedance curve for a planar magnetic is.

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>>60704819
You don't improve headphones by purchasing other gear. You fill the requirements for supplying it enough power with decently linear response and that's it. A device that fulfills all of that for DT770 could be your motherboard or mobile phone depending on how loud you need them to be. If you want to change and potentially improve the sound, use an equalizer.

It's a V-shaped headphone. Isolates a decent amount, tends to be very comfortable and is free of any major issues.

>>60705219
Frequency response and all bumps in it are nothing but resonances. Frequency magnitude is tied into the time domain. Directly so in minimum phase devices such as the majority of headphones. You have a bump in the FR -> CSD shows ringing -> you equalize the bump out -> ringing in CSD is gone. What did we need the CSD for? Phase response will tell us if there's something potentially interesting which might be useful to check using CSD. It's simply another view of the same impulse response data just like FR is.

Because of the short time windowing used for all headphone CSDs they are near useless. More often than not the decay is as fast as it can be for each frequency. If the CSD still contains frequency magnitude data, it's impossible to truly tell what ringing is implied by frequency magnitude and what is potentially something else. You'd need to have the data on your own hands and spin it around a couple of times with a cursor and scale.

Temporal masking makes sure none of that stuff within a couple of milliseconds is audible even if it's visible in a measurement. Reflected and audibly delayed sound isn't a problem with headphones which is what CSDs are handy for with in-room loudspeaker measurements. Or loudspeakers measurements in general as their phase response is much more complex than headphones'.

>>60705253
It's not "stable" but it's high. This doesn't matter at all on either headphone if you have a device with low output impedance.

Why would anyone buy open headphones?
>allows the sound from the headphones to travel outside, but also allows external noise to enter
They must be really annoying. Both for you and for people around you

>>60705887
To let other people know of your patrician taste in music, duh.

>>60705887
To use *alone*, duh.

>Budget
50-70 euro
>Location
Italy
>Source
iPod classic
>Type of headphone
Full-sized
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
They must be comfortable
>Sound signature
(see below)
>Past headphones
Apple IEMs

I mostly listen to electronic music without vocals -- ambient, drone, techno, vaporwave

Help me /g/, be my hero

>>60706238
>50-70 euro
Don't buy headphones. Just save some money.

>>60698959
cloud everyday of the week.

>>60699974
yes and no, terrible comfort, detailed enough, good for guitars.

>>60700474
dt 770 80

>>60706381
Alright, if I had a bigger budget what could I buy?

>>60703631
Im mixing up my terms then.
>>60703664
I just don't want it muting when I have both plugged in. That's annoying. I have a pair of speakers plugged in right now constantly and it's great being able to just take off my headphones and instantly turn those on without having to unplug anything.
>>60705227
I'll look into their fulla 2, thanks!

>>60707053
HD600, HD599, HD579, k702, HD598se

>>60707053
Nevermind, you wanted closed.
HD380 Pro, DT770.

>>60706238
CB-1 is good for your budget. Saving up for used DT770's is worth it though.

Does anyone outside of /g/ say niggerbass?

>>60707198
>>60707305
>>60707724
Thank you, DT770 was recommended to me by /mu/ as well, so I suppose it's the right choice

>>60707793
If you're ok with v-shaped, sure.

If you want something more neutral sounding, HD380 Pro is that (a bit bassy, but otherwise neutral FR)

>>60682500
Can anyone recommend decent Bluetooth headphones? Price up to 200$, but a little higher would be ok

>>60706238
https://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?catId=0&initiative_id=SB_20170602044804&SearchText=Takstar+PRO82

>>60707812
>comfortable
>HD380
Not exactly.

>>60707812
>but otherwise neutral FR
Lol no. You forgot your mpv anime image too, autist.

HD380 fucking sucks, the only good Senns are their open models

>>60708215
>comfortable // not exactly.
They _are_ comfortable. Have you used them, anon?

>>60708251
HD380 Pro review
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnBZ6bH8Sc0

>>60708298
Another, vs popular ath shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E92YIghPkmw

>>60708298
>>60708314
I don't watch YouTube reviews.

>>60708323
And why do you think I care?

>>60708289
Yes, and own the 280.
Shallow, cheap feeling pads and an intense clamp.

I'd only recommend them for people who are tracking and need the isolation, which they're great at.

>>60708510
Yes, and that's why I tend to suggest the HD380 and not the HD280.
I know the HD280, I don't own them, but I've used them. They have nothing on the HD380.

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Would this be the general to ask about budget pc speakers??

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>>60708635
If so, I need a recommendation for sub 60 dear pc speakers, preferably with no subwoofer. And if possible, I need to know if anyone has any recommendations for a budget desktop amp. TX /g/

>>60708631
I only used the 380 in a studio setting so I can't really comment on the sound, but improvements in comfort seem marginal.

>>60708666
>pc speakers
>sub 60
jesus christ what is there to ask??? just buy creative t20 like a stupid normal fag

>>60708666
At that price, all you could get is some logishit and essentially throw away your money.

Could get decent headphones like the SHP9500, 558, or 668b instead.

>>60708668
I use them everyday @ work, and I don't feel them press at all. They're only annoying at first, then loosen.
The HD600 @ home are still a bit annoying, the HD380 not at all.

>>60708666
>sub 60
Christ. Use headphones, until you can afford some LSR305

Are Rock Zircon the best iem's under $20?

Tried the KZ ZS3 but I hate the over ear wire.

>>60709166
Yes but they are fragile, don't buy if that could become a problem.

Do decent dual function wired/wireless open headphones exist? I have a €150~200 budget and these would be my first decent cans.

New thread: >>60709271

>>60709201
Shouldn't be, they'll just be left in my car for when I need something portable.

>>60709471
Then they are fine. Many complain about broken cables near the mic since the Zircons don't have any strain relief whatsoever.
The cable is really is an issue.