/pcbg/ - PC Building General

okay I have started building my PC but noticed that I do not see anything that can read CDs. I thought one is included with the case or the motherboard. how fucked am I? because I need one to install windows, right

What's the current best AIO?

>>60691062
You can install windows from a usb stick

Rate plz
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/fWwgcc

It's for gaming, browsing and torrenting, watching tv and movies, plus programs like Unity and Blender.

>>60691078
Don't Ryzens need faster RAM?

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Hey guys, I'm building a PC for the first time, and I just wanna make sure that this build is fine. Any recommendations on what I can swap out to make it cheaper and keep the same performance?

>>60691078
don't get a founders edition especially in hell on earth australia.

>>60691099
that all in one heatsink is garbage tier, take that money and put it on a good air heatsink, for like $5 more you can get 3200mhz ram, 850 evo is a waste of money go for any other brand. 700w is overkill, 650w is the max i'd recommend.

>>60691097
Recommendations? I'm still 2 or 3 months away from building.

>>60691100
God damn it, I overhauled this build coz everyone was telling me to cut costs elsewhere to put that in there.

>>60691143
The 1080 ti itsself is amazingly good, but founders edition refers to the way it's cooled. Get a different cooling configuration like an ASUS Strix, Aorus, EVGA SC3/FTW3, etc.

>>60691073
well windows came in a CD

but I will get to it later. if necessary I can buy one in a store or take the CD reader from my old pc

>>60691157
>EVGA FTW
They had fire problems. And the VRM thermal pads are still? optional extras.

>>60691166
You literally unironically bought retail Windows?

Man, you wasted over 70 dollars, for absolutely no reason.

>>60691166
You can make an USB installer with a tool from microsoft

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

>>60691157
Fair enough, but I chose that one for the price. IS the difference in cooling worth a couple/few hundred more dingo dollars?

>>60691117
What would you recommend for the heatsink?

>>60691191
It's not hundreds it's like $50 max what the fuck.

And yes, it is. Blower cards are loud as fuck, hot as fuck, and just shitty as fuck, even if they look coolest.

>>60691197
Noctua _____, whatever you can afford at that price.

>>60691176
yeah I am not poor and I dont want to pirate it or use weird OS

>>60691181
kay thanks I will look into it once everything else is ready

>>60691207
In Aus I can get that blower for just over a grand but all the others you mentioned are like 1,300 down here.

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>>60691207
Thanks. Does this look better?

>>60691224
Keys online are $25, "not being poor" isn't an excuse to piss money away for no reason

>>60691227
EVGA - GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB SC Black Edition Video Card is only $60 or $80 more.

>>60691270
That is a good heatsink, just be aware its huge.

You cropped out all the prices and are doing images instead of just linking the list but if the Z270-A from ASUS is cheaper, consider that. I'd look at the mx300 or the _400 series from Kingston for the SSD if the prices are comparable. (avoid v300 like the plague from Kingston)

I'm wondering if there are going to be new offers during summer or if I should just go for it and buy the rest of my parts for my PC. Missing

>PSU
>CPU (R 1600)
>case
>mobo

I don't have amazon prime so prime Monday is out if question.

>>60691315

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Halfness/saved/FhdRBm

I think everything's fine on this list. The case fits the CPU cooler fine.

>>60691197
Get a Be Quiet, like dark rock 3.

Anyway, >>60691099 why 7700K?

>>60691448
Everyone just recommended it to me and I have money to blow.

>>60691440
Do you need Wi-fi+Blue tooth integration? Otherwise, the E is a waste of money over the A.

Also, as it turns out that SSD is bad so I switched it for one that's $10 more

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PYWfgL

This is what it looks like as Z270-A, just switch the mobo back if you want.

>>60691471
Purely gamin is fine. but you want a system that'll last, grab an 1600X and learn to overclock.
I'm guessing you were planning on running the 7700K at stock, even tho it's an unlocked chip you par more for.

so i went all out and got an evga supernova g2 750w just for the peace of mind.
Everything else that was available here had bad reviews and everyone here saying "don't cheap out on a psu"

is there any disadvantage on a psu that is obviously more than i needed apart from electricity bills?

>>60691505
he should get 1600, not 1600X, there's no point in getting 1600X over 1600 if you're gonna overclock anyway.

>>60691505
But if*
pay more for*

>>60691517
Not true, as a small number of non x chips aren't capable of overclocking to match it. It's insurance, plus he may want a better heatsink regardless.

>>60691517
They're binned better, giving greater chance at winning the silicon lotto.
He's got extra cash he want to burn, not really a bad place to skimp.

>>60691315
Alright, you're starting to win me over on the open air cooling. Do you think this case I've chosen is ventilated enough though?
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/N7nG3C/cooler-master-cm-590-iii-black-atx-mid-tower-case-rc-593-kwn2

>>60691546
It looks like you're skimping on the case a bit too much, I'd double your case budget considering how little you're spending. Not my area of expertise, but a case that cheap is usually so for a reason.

>>60691505
I was probably just planning on running it at stock, yeah. I could probably pick up a bit on overclocking, but do you think it's worth the $100 difference?

Will Zen 3 still be on AM4? I'm a poorfag who wants to build an entry level workstation/gaymen PC and I want to get at least the 1600 but preferably the 1700, but I'm thinking about saving some dosh and just get the 1400 first since I'm using a a ThinkPad X230 as my main PC so pretty much any quad core desktop CPU will be better than the one I have right now.

Then I can just sell the 1400 and get an 8 core when Zen 2 comes out, but if Zen 3 is the same platform then I might as well wait for that.

>>60691518
>>60691505
>>60691630
You're not just paying for it to be unlocked, it comes with significantly higher clock speeds than the 7700.

Update on my monitor problem, I have a "No Signal" error when I try to boot up my newly built PC. I've tested
>HDMI cable works on my current system
>tried both hdmi ports on my new system (the one on the gpu and the one on the motherboard)
>removing the gpu and only using the motherboard
>reseating ram as well as moving it's position
>holding the power button for a minute when everything is off
>checking all the fans to make sure they were working
Next up I'm trying to get a VGA and DVI cable to see if I can get display with that. might buy a dvi to vga adaptor too.

>>60691653
I think that's the plan, but watch it require a new chipset anyways. I doubt anyone would want to buy a used 1400 desu

>>60691671
Meh, I'm fine with just getting $50-75 for it so I can make some money back

>>60691630
Aussi bucks?
Should be closer than that USD. Unless you take into account adding a cooler. That a 1600X does not come with.
1600 is fine for overclocking with the stock cooler it comes with. Many people buying other chips would happily pay for them.

The 1600X doesn't increase your chances of reaching extra high clocs so much to justify the cost. Unless you can find it for no more than $30-$50 Australian depending on personal wealth.

>>60691506
anyone?

>>60691506
No, and there isn't even an impact on your electricity bills, you're not understanding how a PSU works at the most fundamental level. It only uses the power that your components use. a 750w may have a lot overhead, but depending on the efficiency curve of the unit it could actually be using less power than one that has less overhead.

>>60691506
Lekky bills won't be that different with a large PSU. Only a concern for server farms.
No obvious disadvantage than paying more for the headroom you won't use.

>>60691715
>overhead
I meant headroom

>>60691715
>It only uses the power that your components use
Not quite true. Components are on standby. Ready to deliver power. But not a concern, just pointing it out for accuracy.

>>60691715
>>60691726
okay that's good to know, it came with a 10 year warranty anyways so i can easily use it for 10 years right?

>>60691753
Assuming EVGA doesn't go defunct/power standards radically change/you lose your warranty info yeah, I guess technically.

>>60691753
Oh, you can also use the extra headroom to power car stereo components.

>>60691665
Please respond what else can I try? Or is the GPU just fucked? I don't have onboard graphics.

might be a ram issue. Try using 1 stick and see if it boots. I had the same problem the other day and it turned out one of my 4gb sticks was faulty

>>60691805
Try another GPU. You may even be inclined to take it to a shop if you and your friends don't have one spare.
Cost me $50 roo bucks when it happened to me.

>>60691919
>>60691918
Will do after I get my cables, I need them anyways. I'll try these last three things and if it doesn't work I'll cry myself to sleep. 1300$ down the drain.

>>60691954
>1300$ down the drain.
That's what warranties and RMA's are for.

>>60691954
Not down the drain, just a delay. If you take it to a shop, don't forget for them to write officially the card/mobo is DOA. That should make RMA much smoother.

i have no experience with ssds. i was looking at samsung 850 evo and adata su700. are any of those good, or do you recommend anything else?

>>60692044
Kingston UV400. Cheep and performs very well.
Sandisk I hear is great.
Yours are great too.

From UV400 to EVO you're looking at a few second difference in load times. You really can't go wrong with SSD's.
Unless you get too little space.
I recommend 240-500gb for games in a mid tier build.
1tb for top.
120 for purely OS and programs in a budget+ build, with a hybrid HDD (A small SSD in a HDD that saves commonly used files to it to boost speeds)

>>60692044
850 evo is significantly better.

If the adata/mx300 is a fair bit cheaper than the 850 evo, just go with the cheaper alternative.

Can I ask for desk recommendations here or should I fuck off?

>>60692177
Buy a countertop from Ikea or anywhere else, butcherblock style, add legs.

>>60692177
There's a battlestation thread. It's a circle jerk
>>>/g/bst
Avoid the herman miller chair shill.

>>60692205
>There's a battlestation thread. It's a circle jerk
Yeah I know I asked there and got completely ignored.

Hey /g/ents. I wanna build a cheap 1080p/60fps machine for occasional single player vidya and dat quake champions and titanfall 2 etc.
Is ryzen 1400+rx560 a good combo?
Were I live rx560 and gtx1050ti are priced around 130 Eur, rx570 is 200 at it's cheapest if I can even find one.

>>60692220
Best advice I can give is to go to a furniture store, and sit as various desks and imagine your system on it. Also take a notepad and a tape measure to take note of leg room and table space, then when your home, buy online the same or similar for 1/3rd the price.

Laminated wood is better than laminated chip board.
Flat packs are easy to construct. But take not you don't put non laminated sides facing outwards.

>>60692322
I'm really conflicted about straight desk vs L desk and keyboard tray vs no

I've historically always had L desks. I like the space. But I also have a bad habit of cluttering it up. Do you guys have any opinions?

Also, keyboard trays. I've always liked them for the same reason--more desk space. But I also find that they tend to get a little warped over time, meaning eventually they start to slide and catch, and generally just be annoying. Are they more trouble than they're worth?

>try to find an AMD motherboard for my ryzen on amazon
>they a have shit reviews
Why

>>60692358
Keyboard trays are cancer.

>>60692387
Why do you feel that way, anon?

>>60692262
Coin flip on the GPU. Aim for a 1500X if in budget.
Will do most things, so long as you're not on ultra settings.
Ultra is more meant for presentations. Where you'd use massive anti aliasing to upscale to 8K for projection.
>>60692358
I personally want a corner desk. For multi screen setup. But with shelving. Tray's can go fuck themselves if you use the PC often. As yes, they don't last on cheaper desks.

L is very good if you do handwriting often/have it in your bedroom, so you can set the TV on it. and still have a multi monitor set up in the corner of it.

For anti clutter there is no cure.

>>60692262
gtx 1050 ti is flat out better than rx 560 (except doom 3 with vulcan).

RX 570 is the minimum for higher graphics settings though, and you really may want to consider 8gb, if you're not planing to get a new graphics card in a year (however, at that price point you may be just about the same price point as RX 580 8gb... the pricing is pretty weird).

Go with r5 1500X instead, it comes with a better cooler, so you can overclock it further without having to buy a new cooler. The 1400 won't allow you to overclock without running into thermal issues.

If you know that quake champions and titanfall 2 can run on your desired settings, in 1080@60hz, then go for it, I guess.

>>60691270
>7700k
no, no it doesn't

>>60692465
CPU really isn't really affected by graphics settings, there are only a few settings that will increase CPU usage.

>>60692402
Non that anon but you kind of answered your own question.
>they tend to get a little warped over time, meaning eventually they start to slide and catch, and generally just be annoying

Plus it's hard to get aesthetic gainz from them.

>>60692465
>But with shelving
I was planning on a getting a very minimal desk, no matter what, and getting some shelving to hang on the wall, or slide underneath the desk separately.

And yeah, this is basically a home office, room all to myself, so space isn't a big concern.

>>60691270
You're looking at almost 200$ less money if you go for with r5 1600 + H7/Dark rock 3/Shadow Rock 2.
With that money you can get a GTX 1080, or save the money for when you buy a new screen (although sucks with nvidia, because the gsync tax is pretty much $200).

>>60692491
True, just a suggestion because often once people have a PC they think of more things than pure gaming to do with it. So it doesn't hurt to go up a CPU tier.
Especially in the low end builds.
You're pretty solid thus far.
Note* the 1500x also comes with a cooler.

>>60692552
A CEO desk might be more your style. Gets you off the wall and into a prominent position in the room.
Bit of a moral boost. Unless you've got a sweet view out a window.

>>60692573
Yeah, I think the cooler is the biggest deal, allows you to overclock to around 3,7/3.8ghz, without needing to buy a new cooler.
I don't know how much the extra 8mb cache per CCX does.

>>60692465
>>60692477
Thanks. I might upgrade the card in a couple of years, so no biggie. Also, isn't it worth it to buy 1400 and oc it, because I wanted to buy an aftermarket cooler regardless? Or 1500x is flatout better in every way, including oc ?

>>60692609
Nah man, I've got way too many cables to hide for that.

And the blinds on my windows are closed most of the time anyway :^)

Besides, I wanna do some backlighting/underlighting, so a wall is a must.

7700K + 1070
What kind of monitor should I buy? One with Gsync? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_G-Sync
A freesync one? Whatever?

I'm sort of lost to be honest. I built my rig not long ago but still kept my old VGA Asus 1080p monitor. While it's still more than fine for most stuff I do, I get screen tearing issues and such on a few AAA titles because it my PC is too fast for it (even with vsync on sometimes, yeah).
Looking for suggestions. Either 1080p or 1440p are fine. Not interested in 4K.

>>60692626
>extra 8mb cache
More programs than games if history remains true. There used to be clerons with no L2 that performed better in games because of it. Might have been due to not having extra heat from it tho. Allowing higher clocks.
>>60692638
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-5-1500X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-1400/3921vs3922
Marginally better clocking. This comes sown to X variants being higher binned chips.
> I wanted to buy an aftermarket cooler regardless
1500X comes with the Wraith Spire 95W Cooler
More than enough to get clocks with. And doesn't look like shit.
1400 comes with the Wraith Stealth 65W
Still fine for the job. But will make slightly more noise with greater fan speed required.

So it depends on the price of the cooler you have in mind, if it plus the 1400 costs more than the 1500X alone, it's not worth it-ish.

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Building a midrange video editing machine. Is everything good or should I replace x with y?

>>60692862
Get 16gb ram and you're set

Would it be worth it to sell my RX480 on ebay to get an RX580

>>60692862
if you plan on video editing I would plan on getting 16gb of ram, adding an SSD and dropping down to a 580.

>>60692862
Video editing & encoding using Premiere Pro / Vegas & other software tends to take a lot of RAM so you might wanna get 16 GB instead

>>60692862
change the ram. You'll want a 2x4gb kit to make use of dual channel. Also 2133 is really slow ram. For Ryzen, you want 2666mhz or better.
Then add a 120GB 2.5" SSD for around $50
Then choose a case to put it all in.

>>60692906
no just overclock your 480 its the same thing

>>60692862
take 3200mhz 16gb

>>60692906
No, go to YouTube and learn how to overclock it. It's a few slider bars, plus trial and error.
I OC'd my 1060 to 2070mhz in around two hours of dicking about.
You cannot fuck it up, It's safe and easy.

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its just werks

are you guys sure it's good to recommend r5 1600 for "high fps gaming" and mixed use when looking at game benchmarks it's 40fps slower than 7700k and even beat by haswell like i5 4690k?

it's weird i try to look for benchmarks so i could choose whether i want a r5 1600, r7 1700 or 7700k and the few game benchmarks you find between all the cinebench results where ryzen obviously shines, you either see 7700k beat 1800x by 40fps (170 vs130fps - big difference!) and 1600/1700 aren't even included in the list, and you find some benchmarks where 1700 and 7700k are toe to toe, even for the same game

i really don't know what to do, i really want ryzen for multithreading use but i really don't know what to think of the gaming results

also i can't really find anything where all 3 ryzens are included in (gaming) benchmarks to see if they have any difference in gaming, the one benchmark where r5 1600 and r7 1700 are included 1700 is barely a frame or two faster

are (older (the majority)) ryzen benchmarks just hindered by lack of optimised bios/ram etc?

how much difference is there actually between r5 1600 and i5 7600k (in gaming)? sometimes they're close, sometimes miles apart

>>60692987
never use the power supply that comes with some cases. You're better off buying both separately

>>60692990
If you've got the cash, wait for Intels new HEDT and get the 8 core from that. the 7820x, that's what I'm doing anyhow, returning my new in box 7700k for it.

>>60692902
>>60692921
>>60692929
>>60692937

I'm upgrading to 16 GB after my next payday, this is what I can work with for now.

>>60692916
I plan on going the VR route later down the road, too.

>>60693031
>t. mcburgerknownothing
look at the specs of the PS, its perfectly fine for a g4560 and 1050

Is there a /pcbg/ irc channel?

>>60692954
>2 hours to oc Pascal

It took me literally 5 minutes to oc my 1070. I just stuck an extra 200 mhz to the stock core and 300 to the memory and it was good to go. As long as you increase the core frequency to where it will boost (in-game boost) to at least 2ghz, gpu boost 3 will automatically fluctuate between 2 and 2.1 ghz itself so all you have to do is get it within a ballpark boost of 2.0 and 2.1 ghz core.

I might try pushing my memory to 9gbps later on today for the sake of it. I'm pretty sure that most 1070 with micron memory can hit 9gbps

>>60692862
looks good, although if you're looking to save money i'd swap the 1070 for the 1060 for plain video editing

>>60692990
The biggest pain in the arse, id that Ryzen being new and having numinous fixes happen. There's so many 'missleading' benches. Just mainly due to not being re taken after fixes. No real malicious intent.

Was brought up in the previous thread. >>60690590
Follow the archive link, and search for 'go away IMG_"
It's often the quickest way to find up to date benches. As they're being used to cause mental anguish to a certain user.

>>60692990
Hardware unboxed over youtube has made all sorts of R5 tests, some against i5s if you're interested, and his tests are all up to date.
This made me decide to go for Ryzen for the PC I'm building for my sibling. It's just that good compared to i5s.

Now regarding the 7700k I'm not sure (and I have a 7700k myself), but as anon said you probably want to wait to see how these new Intel CPUs fare and get benchmarked to see whether they're worth getting over Ryzen or not.

>>60692990
The reason Ryzen is so often recommended is because it's more practical for most gamers. You're likely not going to notice a 10 fps loss, but you will notice when things stutter less. All those benchmarks are done with fresh, clean windows installs with nothing in the background. IRL, you'll likely have Discord and a few browser tabs open as well. The i5 7600k and i7 7700k will see CPU usage spikes of 100% which leads to stuttering.
The R5 1600, has 6 cores and 12 threads, and never goes above 60% useage in games leaving plenty of processing power to run discord and a few browser tabs at the same time.

>>60693060
Get faster RAM at the very least, that is VERY slow for Ryzen. Ram prices don't increase much as speed goes up, it's 100% worth it.

>>60693060
at least get 2666mhz or faster ram then. fast ram makes a HUGE difference on Ryzen.

>>60693114
>i7 7700k will see CPU usage spikes of 100%
lol, don't spout shit like this.

>>60693090
I was running more than one bench, and going for absolute max. not so much just slapping in numbers within the known averages.
Should be about that amount of time for a beginner to get things in order. With rechecking the guide, downloads and benching.

>>60692990
The 7700k is the best gaming CPU, of course it's gonna have higher FPS than other CPUs (though 40? unless you're at already 140+FPS with the R5, that's not happening), but it doesn't mean every single other CPU is shit.
An R5 1600 is between an i5 & i7 in gaming: average framerate of i5 but with more threads & cores so it doesn't suffer from FPS dips, and most importantly can reach quite higher FPS using higher clocked RAM and by overclocking.

>even beat by haswell like i5 4690k?
In static pictures benchmarks indeed, but if you look at benchmarks instead (as in recording of the benchmark) then it's not at all what is happening.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBKHsMar1Jo
https://youtu.be/JypkqwpOtNI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Ovmxfejvo
Matches the 6600/7600(k) but with more room left.

There's also updates that improved performance indeed.

>tfw you get a Ryzen and a new mobo to go with it
>tfw your old 1070 has rgb but doesn't support aura sync
fucking kill me famalam

>>60693114
>IRL, you'll likely have Discord and a few browser tabs open as well.
It's so obvious when you post, you're the biggest shill here.

It's fucking 2017 having discord and chrome open isn't going to cause your game to stutter because of the INSANE CPU USAGE from those apps. You're a huge faggot.

>>60693163
An i5 already has spikes to 100% usage in gayming on fresh windows install / bench stations, of course every single software in the background is going to make this worse

>>60693163
found the non-gamer

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>>60693193
>>60693194

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What d'yall think of this here little Zen build?

I tried to find a balance between 1337gamur and a more productivity based adult machine for mainly Ableton and Adobe applications.

I already have storage but may add an M.2

In the future may get a a second screen the likes of a 1920x1080 TN or something similar as my alternative for that quick response FPS shit. Otherwise I tend to play RPGs and other shit where i prefer the pretty visuals.

Don't hate on my overpriced meme keyboard choice, thx.

Budget was 1500, so kinda went over, but some of those prices have a variance of like $100-150

>>60693114
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJCboDI5m24
Wow man these 35-40% CPU usage are off the roof! I bet you can't even start notepad with a 7700k if you're playing a game.

>>60693213
could save money by going for a non x370 & lower wattage PSU but looks good

>>60693114
>Discord
No I won't. What kind of faggot do you think I am?

>>60693116
>>60693132

Yeah, looking at the prices, I'm going the 3200 route.

>>60693142
Thing is with Pascal though is that it never seems to max. Like for example my oc puts my in game boost at 2.08ghz based on calculation but when I'm actually in game it generally drops to 2.03 or 2.05ghz. I think it's something to do with the gpu boost voltage control.

With my old 980 (which broke) if overclocked, the gpu would stick to that boost clock 24/7 whereas pascal doesn't do that hence why I said all you need is a ballpark oc between 2.0 and 2.1 ghz since the gpu will do the the rest itself.

But yeah if you want to be perfect about it then it can take that long

>>60693234
>What kind of faggot do you think I am?
a reasonable one

Guys, I bought a 1800x, do you think this will be enough for Chrome and Discord? Intel had a lot of problems with those, I know. Even if VOIP has been in online games since the 90s, modern hardware still can't handle it without shitting up everything so I just want to be sure!

>>60693114
No they don't. I can have a bunch of tabs open, discord, steam etc and have absolutely 0 stuttering in games as intensive as hitman or gta 5 on my i5.

>>60693262
what

>>60693213
Looks good. but I have a question. Why bother with an X370 board if you;re not doing SLI/Xfire? A B350 motherboard will overclock just as fine.

>>60693262
Kek

>>60693273
found the person whose never looked at his minimum framerates

>>60693273
just because you're used to it doesn't mean it's there.
let all your shit open, start afterburner to monitor CPU usage / framerate / frametime & go play some GTAV. Enjoy the FPS dips and spikes to 100%.

>>60693311
My games never ever drop below 60 fps. Fuck off with your lies

>>60693247
>I think it's something to do with the gpu boost voltage control.
Yes, that's normal. There's other issues tho. But more related to the extreme end of things.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bflLDenKirQ
This guy is pretty cluey about such things. There's a PCB break down of the 1070 in his vids where he's very in depth of the cards limitations.

>>60693339
i can see you don't even know what stutter is

>>60693143
>>60693114
>>60693098

thanks friends, i've finally decided on r7 1700, new build day on sunday

t. >>60692990

>>60693421
You quoted the same turboshill twice, fyi. You should still wait for the new chips to have their benchs released, but if you're willing to be memed then go for it.

>>60692990
the 1600/1700/1800 all have very similar performance in gaming when they're at the same clock

>>60693436
>You should still wait for the new chips to have their benchs released,
???
The i9 lineups is HEDT & not for him & the 7740k is just a 7700k with iGPU disabled and 100MHz higher BASE clock (boost clock identical)
It's completely worthless to him

>>60693233
>>60693290

I just get real paranoid about not having the option to SLI it up in the future, you know? Its like opting for the house with a bigger garden. Then again I don't really know where the point is that going SLI is a better option than getting the next best single card. Also those goddamn 'muh cool LEDs' keep ensnaring my simple mind.

I have an old GTX670 that still holds up well so I was going to hold off on the GPU to see what comes about with Vega, whether its an interesting GPU or for the price drop on Nvidia cards - good idea?

What do you guys think is a good PSU alternative? I generally hear seasonic is top-tier and I really like the idea of those higher 80plus standards for the efficiency payoff, but wonder if its worth the up-front cost.

>>60693436
my pc is dead (motherboard) i'd have to wait for 3 months without a rig, even if coffee lake will be significantly better, that's not happening

>>60693483
I was referring to the HEDT not coffee lake, but if you're completely without a PC, whatever you get you will be happy with. Enjoy your upgrade.

>>60693040
>buying intels housefire x shit
please tell me this is bait

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>>60693140
>>60693143
fuck off shill

>>60693614
>>>60693143
???

>>60693614
Why would you really NEED to overclock the most performant cores on the market, anyways?

>>60693626
why would you even NEED to buy the most performant cores on the market, anyway?

Should I use NVMe for games like GTA5?

>>60693647
So I can get 287 instead of 286 FPS on CS:GO of course.

That frame makes a difference alright

>>60693665
>>60693647
>replying to yourself

>>60693664
NVMe is a waste of money.

>>60693684
>>replying to yourself
???

I don't even know why you'd call samefag on that.

>>60693664
Nope. NVMe won't net you much gain. You're more limited by the CPU than memory bandwidth(after a good SSD).

>>60693665
NVME doesn't have any improvements for gamer when compared to regular SSDs

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I want to upgrade my GPU to something much newer maybe what ever is top 5 right now do I have to upgrade anything else to handle it?

>>60693722

So when/for what is it useful?

Is it not a good boot drive?

>>60693725
No, that CPU is still quite decent, however, if that's at idle, you need a new heatsink/reapply your paste.

>>60693738
>Is it not a good boot drive?
No difference either for that
It's good for productivity / any software that loves low latency access to files & enormous bandwidth, which games & OS do not benefit from

>>60693738
>Is it not a good boot drive?

No. It's a waste of money. do you just WANT to waste money for some reason just to say you have an NVMe drive?

>>60693725

I'd go for a 1920x1080 monitor along with it.

>>60693398
i just tested it with a bunch of youtube tabs open and my cpu hit 100 many times with absolutely 0 stutter. the only time i noticed some small stutter was once when i crashed and the car blew up and when i bought something from ammunation and when i left the shop it jerked for like half a second.

anyway your claims that my i5 is a stutterfest in every game is a straight up lie.

>>60693738
If you want to learn how to uncompress all of your data so that the CPU just has to pass it through then decode it. Then yes.

>>60693738
>>60693773
>pass it through then decode it
than*

>>60693751

Kind of. The jewish overlords of technology told me it was cool and its new and shiny.

Gimme some examples of a productivity application

>>60693758
I have one, I just got this one for free and too lazy to switch it since i'm using the 1080 for PS4.

>>60693771
>when i left the shop it jerked for like half a second.
>when i crashed and the car blew up
That sounds like freezes to me which is much worse than stutters, and the fact that this thing can happen on a $220+ CPU is quite disappointing.
And again, just because you don't notice stutter doesn't mean it's not there. I didn't notice stutter on my $50 g1840 even when playing GTA V (i did notice the freezes though), and yet when i switched to an R7 1700 i saw a massive improvement in smoothness

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>>60693771
>i just tested it with a bunch of youtube tabs open and my cpu hit 100 many times with absolutely 0 stutter. the only time i noticed some small stutter was once when i crashed and the car blew up and when i bought something from ammunation and when i left the shop it jerked for like half a second.

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>>60693810
no my games do this a lot because my hdd is dying. it's a common problem in gta 5 with older hdd's. it causes momentary stutter because of 100% disk usage because for some reason the game must be reloading in all the assets. after a second it goes away and its back to smooth sailing.

https://support.rockstargames.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/203363418-GTA-V-PC-Stutter-FPS-drop-linked-with-large-amount-of-hard-disk-usage

as you can see there is basically no stutter whatsoever when you look at 100% disk usage and the spikes in frametime. the spikes are if you die and it reloads at the hospital, if you blow up a bunch of cars or if you get a phone call (for some retarded reason). the first spike was when i got a call from martin madrazo and it spiked for whatever reason. probably my hdd fucking up once again. either way all the people claiming that my i5 is a stutterfest if i have discord or more than one tab open and that i HAVE to upgrade to a 6 core ryzen 5 is a lie.

Newbie question. I bought the non-window version of the Corsair 270R so it only came with one fan, situated at the back for exhaust.
I bought 2 more 120mm fans for air intake at the front. There's space 3 of them - one of them will be in the middle slot. For the last one does it matter if I place it in the top or bottom position? I assume bottom as I want cold air coming from the bottom of the case right?

>>60693888
you literally have nothing to prove to this guy, he's the biggest shill in these threads.

>>60693895
The higher one would blow more over your components

>>60693895
get a third 120mm fan?

>>60693888
meant to say 100% cpu usage*

>>60693722
>>60693738
>>60693751
What is this, 2011? SSDs are not optional unless you're spending under $500 total, and NVMe drives are objectively the most powerful SSDs on the market, and not significantly more expensive.

If you have an NVMe capable processor and motherboard, there are no good reasons to not pay $20-30 more for a drive with 1,000% higher diskmark scores.

I get that you, personally, have a problem with NVMe, but that is an OPINION, and it's a shitty stupid one to boot. Stop repeating it like it's a fact.

>>60693895
Does not matter. Unless the case goes into a pigeon hole. Then you want lower to avoid sucking in air from your exhaust coming back around. .
Generally as long as air is moving it's fine. You RAM is up the top, and your GPU has it's own fans.

>>60693888
how does it look without vsync?

>>60693888
>either way all the people claiming that my i5
funny thing im playing the same game and the 4790k stutters, fuck off shill

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>>60693968
>If you have an NVMe capable processor and motherboard, there are no good reasons to not pay $20-30 more for a drive with 1,000% higher diskmark scores.
Yes, dick mark scores.
See >>60693773

I don't even get full performance from my RAID 0 SSD's because of this.

>>60694018
i don't know, i don't play without vysnc since i have a 60hz monitor and i don't like screen tearing.

>>60694036
>posts proof
>s-shill

at least we can conclude it's not your cpu :^)

>>60692710
either get an AMD card + freesync monitor or keep your current card and get Gsync

>>60694168
>or keep your current card and get Gsync
dolla dolla bills yall.

>>60691315
Where can I get a reliable windows key?

Should I go with Flare X or will I actually be able to fully use a Ripjaw V at the best speeds if my board isn't on the QVL list

>>60694229
Kinguin

>>60692710
Tried overclocking your monitor? I got an extra 15fps out of my K242HL >>60694040
Better screens tend to get considerably more. I did mine via the EVGA gpu clocker tool.

>>60694229
kinguin

Is Radeon RX 580 the best graphics card at around £250 for FreeSync monitors so far?

>>60694324
yes

>>60694324
you might be able to find a fury for that price. but right now the 580 is probably the best amd offering at that price. don't get a 1080p freesync monitor though, they're all shit and have have shitty TN panels.

>>60694259
>>60694271
>>60694363
Thanks!

>>60694380
I see.. Unfortunately that's exactly what I got a few months ago(it looked good and was only around £90), but to make up for it I'm saving up for a second monitor that's going to be of better quality!

>>60694438
£90 monitor? that's retarded m8.

>>60694438
There's an IPS FreeSync 1080p monitor by LG if that's your dig. Model is 24MP68VQ I believe. Comes pre-calibrated, too.

>>60694557
It was on sale and works fine from what I've seen.

>>60694634
That's the one I got, actually! For some reason it's not really well known/popular, so finding reviews/tips about it was a bit hard.

I only tried it out on an old 2008 PC and it didn't give me any problems and from what I remember, the colour was nice.

Gtx 560 ti / HD 7870
The later is slightly more expensive
Which one should I get?

>>60694690
Yeah, I bought one myself. It's strange in that I only saw that specific model sold by Canadian and UK retailers. The little that's on it online is nothing but positive though.

What's the power consumption of a rx 580? it says fucking 500w but it can't be right, right?

>>60694713
Neither. Work for one more month and get a gpu which doesn't require all modern games to be played at low settings 30 fps.

>>60694756
no. The card doesn't take 500 watts. That's the recommended power supply for the ENTIRE SYSTEM, not just the card.

Okay guys.
My computer died, I have close to no money yet I would still like to rebuild something for between 300 and 400 euro's *335 dollar - 450 dollar* (that I can play WoW with at 1080p, doesn't matter if settings are low)

>>60694893
Forgot a sentence sorry.
Is it even possible with this budget and what parts would I want to go for with this money?
Please help, would be much appreciated.

fucking damnit

took me way too long to build all the components together. now I started it to test if everything works

case fans spin, cpu fan spins, graphic card glows, usb ports seem to work both front and back but monitor while recognizing that it is connected to a device just stays black. motherboard has a bunch of red lights but it's MSI and everything from them has red lights so I cant tell what that means

what could I have done wrong?

My keyboard aand mouse work in the bios and when I have to choose wether I start windows normally or not. But the keyboard and mouse stop working when I get to the log in screen. Please help. This is the drive I moved from my old PC and it has windows 7.

>>60694995
Try a Dvi cable.

>>60694995
Assuming you set everything up correctly, reseat RAM, GPU, CPU and motherboard power cables, connect integrated graphics.
If that doesn't work, get another working PC (Or atleast a working mobo, PSU, RAM CPU and GPU, still that's most of a computer) and replace parts one by one until it works or take it to a shop.

>>60694893
>>60694913
what case does your old computer use? Is it salvageable? Is the PSU usable? Anything you can salvage will go a long way.

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Having issue with my GPU on initial startup. Anyone got a clue? The gpu itself seems to have power, but the error light on the mobo is going off


580 Nitro FYI

>>60695080
Please respond I'm really stressed out right now

>>60695080
>>60695194
Kaby-Lake / Ryzen on W7 i presume?
You're lacking mouse & kb drivers, either you go windows 10 or either you do this
https://community.spiceworks.com/how_to/125921-how-to-add-drivers-manually-to-a-usb-drive-to-install-windows-7-using-a-usb-3-0-port

>>60695167
Thank you for your response.
The case is very damaged, I doubt that the PSU is still functioning 100% so it might be best for me to replace that too just to be safe.

(Long story short, I'm that same guy from abotu a month ago that had his computer smashed by his girlfriend, I bought new parts with the little money I had saved up and had build an OK computer again, she did the same shit again 3 days ago, completely destructed my computer AND my phone this time, and I kicked her out and sold some stuff I bought for her back then, she moved back in with her parents that live near here, I have no one here so I still live here, just without a PC now)
300-400 euro's is unfrotunately the max I can spend at this point.

>>60694995
>what could I have done wrong?
Like 30 things other than straight up hardware failure but i'll list a few:
Didn't connect power to the GPU
Got incompatible RAM
Connected display to motherboard video out on a system without an iGPU
Some sort of fan related issue, my friend once got a motherboard that refused to start up if a fan wasn't connected to the CPU fan header
Those are all the things i can think of, you GPU, mobo, RAM or even PSU could just be broken too, sometimes a fault in a network card or drive can also cause boot issues. I once had a computer stuck in a boot loop because a PCI dial up modem i never used was broken. This is computers, welcome to hell.

>>60695218
My mobo is b350 tomahawk and cpu is Ryzen 7 1700

>>60695194
>>60695080
Try different USB ports, since as >>60695218 mentioned USB 3 is broken on newer chipsets with windows 7

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>>60695266
Try one of these USB

My Z270 mobo's RAM slots are the same color. How do I dual channel?

>>60695251
>I'm that same guy from about a month ago that had his computer smashed by his girlfriend
I remember you. Good you kicked her out. I have to say it. I fucking told you so.

Here. This is about as cheap as I can make the computer itself. Threw in a monitor assuming from what I know about the crazy cunt. Just use the cheapest keyboard and mouse you can for now.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zrxbQV

I want a new card like a 1080ti but what's the point when it will just be outdated in a year? Why haven't high end GPU's gotten cheaper yet on release.

>>60695358
It's the same on every motherboard. XOXO or OXOX

>>60694995
could the issue be power cord related?

the one with the PSU is a foreign one that does not fit. so I used an old power cord. rechecking the cords in the meantime

I have a r7 and a nice case
what else do I need to complete my computer?

>>60695251
I rememeber you too
>she did the same shit again
Literally everyone said this would happen.

>>60695380
Because just because it's not as good as the newest thing a year from now doesn't mean it somehow becomes worse, it's power is constant and if you need it for games today then you get it. There is no such thing as a future proof computer idiot

I could get the ryzen 1600 for 204 euros. Not sure if I should go for it or wait a bit longer.

>>60695313
>>60695280

I did, I used both those and the red ones. They work in the bios and the screen where i decide for safe mode or normal mode. But they stop working once windows loads up. I tried the normal safe mode and normal mode but haven't touched the bios. I also haven't tried safe mode with command prompt or safe mode with networking. I'm going to take a look at this >>60695218

>>60695449
204€ is pretty cheap, it's usually at 240€ or close.

>>60695313
>>60695280
>>60695218
Wait a minute. If they work in the bios doesn't that mean that they do have drivers installed already? Why does it stop working once I go into the windows login?

>>60695493
It's windows that's lacking the drivers for it, hence why it stops when you get to windows.

>>60695449
If that's a sale then go for it.
Prices aren't going to drop, prices never actually drop on computer parts. They only go down a bit after launch, but if you buy the CPU 2 years from now, it'll still be the same price as it is today.

>>60695493
Because your bios knows how to communicate with it's own USBs
If it helps you understand it, you could run a linux distro with ryzen support and it would be able to use your USB ports, it's just windows 7 can't without a driver update.

>>60695431
okay I looked up what the LEDs mean and apparently there is only one problem

the error is BOOT - indicates the booting devie is not detected or fail

what does that mean?

>>60695218
>https://community.spiceworks.com/how_to/125921-how-to-add-drivers-manually-to-a-usb-drive-to-install-windows-7-using-a-usb-3-0-port
This anon posted a link to install windows 7 when i need mouse and keyboard drivers.
>>60695501
>>60695523
When I first connected the keyboard and mouse to my old PC they installed drivers automatically. What the fuck changed? I did all this bullshit building this expensive pc with one problem after the other and now the simplest shit is preventing me from continuing. If I somehow find the drivers and put them into a flashdrive how will I install them without being able to use the keyboard and mouse?

>>60695618
Windows 7 is an old OS, it doesn't work properly with newest stuff out of the box. Doesn't even work with M2 SSDs too.

>>60695251
The CPU and RAM probably survived, if you had an SSD it's probably fine too.
I dont know what kind of europ you are so look at this https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/PyfFnn and buy the parts in order from most likely to be broken to least likely and you might be able to save enough to slap a gpu or SSD in there within your budget or just pocket it for next time someone breaks your PC or somehting.

>>60695630
>tfw have to get windows 10
>tfw have to fucking buy windows 10 because no pirated software for it exists.

here is the computer i would build if i as rich and had nothing better to spend money on

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8r7pYr

and this is the desk i would buy for it

https://www.amazon.com/English-Classics-Large-Desk-Drawers/dp/B071PCRGFW/ref=sr_1_75?ie=UTF8&qid=1496341631&sr=8-75&keywords=computer+desk

>>60695485
215 is more accurate currently

>>60695514
No real sale. Just a coupon you can enter and get 5% on the CPu. Same goes for other parts.

>>60695656
That was a weak ass attempt to get spoonfed a torrent.
Also you could just do the shit you were told to or go with windows 8.1.
Stop being a drama queen, you have options.

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>>60695630
>Windows 7 is an old OS

where the fuck did time go

>>60695687
That's a pretty shit computer for $8000

>>60695692
I'm looking for it as we speak. I'm being a drama queen because I spent 1300$ on this shitty PC, you try to stay calm when the only thing stopping you from having a working pc is microshits schlong in your face.

>>60695687
>most of the money is going into monitors and SSDs

anon...

>>60695713
so what would you get? i refuse to buy AMD
>>60695731
yes 4k monitors and SSDs with plenty of storage

>>60695731
Monitors are a fine place to dump money since they'll last you longer than most PC components, the SSD's are retarded though.

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First time builder here
Anyone know whats the best cheap and great case? My room is basically dark/red scheme so maybe in that color

i5 750 vs. i5 2500 non K
The later is more expensive
Can I clock the 750 to match the 2500 or should I just go with the 2500?

>>60695768
You can't clock any non K or X Intel chip. go for the 2500. They're called locked for a reason.

>>60695835
you can overclock the i5 750, idiot

>>60695768
this guy:
https://www.youtube.com/user/jermgaming/videos
does videos with his i5 750 and gtx 1060 to do comparisons between the ps4 pro and his cheap pc. it looks to run games just fine from what i've seen. 1080p60 is perfectly achievable with that i5.

Alright so i searched for half an hour to get my windows 10 torrent but the only ones i find are 5MB not GB. I'm sure an entire OS is not that tiny so I'm just downloading viruses. Please someone spoonfeed me a torrent. I'm scared and I really don't want to buy windows 10.

>>60695835
No, you could overclock intel CPUs before sandy bridge. there was no K. I think you needed a P-series board to do it though.
Anyway no, an OC'd nehalem can't match a 2500. It might come close if you've got a good board or cooling, but those dont come cheap.

>>60695371
Sorry for the late reply, someone was at door.

I remember being recommended to kick her out right away by some, I was stupid to believe that there still was a chance of her improving her behaviour.
Paid for therapy 2 times a week and it seemed to get better the first 1-2 weeks, 2 weeks ago it started again and then 3 days ago I came home to a ravage again.
It's my own stupid fault for not cutting things with her earlier, but I guess at the time I just couldn't.

Thanks a lot for the part list again, I will check availability at stores near me.
Do you think I can play WoW with this at 1080p when I turn down the settings?

>>60695911
download the free installation tool on microsoft's website. You can install Windows 10 for free like that. You can get a $30 key from Kinguin after that to activate it.

>>60695941
Kinguin only has OEM keys. If one of my parts die and I have to get it replaced won't microshit tell me to fix it myself and leave me alone with a broken os?

>>60695446
I know.
I was stupid to believe that there was a chance that she'd improve and that professional help would help her, it's too late now though.
I kicked her out now though, I'll have to try and build something with the 300-400 euro's I have now
>>60695642
Thank you for this recommendation, I'm sad to announce nothing survived.
She managed to, just like last time, shatter pretty much everything into pieces. This time it seemed even worse though.

>>60695993
That's why you click on the buyer protection thing on Kinguin.

As to Windows fucking itself over on Hardware changes, it's honestly up in the air. Some people have replaced motherboards and CPU's with no change to it. Others haven't been so lucky. It's a total crapshoot.

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Thank you so much for all the help /pcbg/.

>>60695993
>If one of my parts die and I have to get it replaced won't microshit tell me to fix it myself and leave me alone with a broken os?

you could buy a second key and it would STILL be cheaper than buying from micro$oft

>>60696347
I like the way you're thinking. I would honestly rather buy it several times from kinguin then from microshaft

>>60691028
fyi notebooksbilliger.de offers the ryzen 1600 with 5% reduced price via coupon. You can get it for 204 euros

https://www.notebooksbilliger.de/pc+hardware/prozessoren+pc+hardware/amd+prozessoren/amd+sockel+am4/amd+ryzen+5+1600

if i get the r5 1600 will i regret not getting the r7 1700?

are 12 threads enough for programming and blender?

>>60696640
Yes, 12 threads is plenty. More will give better experience, but the one you'll get from 12 threads is already great

>>60696640
If you dont want to spend more, a 1600 is fine.
For those tasks you will see an improvement with a 1700 though, around 20-30% depending on how much you overclock/binning.
A 1600 will still be way faster than an i5 for that kind of work though so you're not going to get fucked on price/performance.

I'm the anon wondering about a dwarf fortress build from yesterday.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/j8GjkT

Is this build too meme? How shit would it be at normal computing? Will it still be able to play games like skyrim at 50+ fps? I'm retardedly unaware at exactly how shitty having a duo core is.

The Ryzen 7 1700X is now priced at $349 in leading online stores, down from its launch price of $399. The Ryzen 7 1700 (non-X), on the other hand, is now selling for $319, down from its launch price of $329.

>>60696987
>skyrim at 50+ fps?
Depends how many mods you add.

I'm picking up a new monitor today. I've narrowed it down to two choices.
>ASUS PB277Q
https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236616&cm_re=Pb278q-_-24-236-616-_-Product
Its 27inch, 1440p, has a PLS panel, built in speakers and a better stand. It's about 90$ cheaper than the other option ($369 CAD)
>LG 27UD58
https://www.newegg.ca/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=Lg+27ud58&N=-1&isNodeId=1
27inch, UHD, has an IPS panel, however has no built in speakers and a shitty stand, it is VESA mount compatible though. However it's more expensive ($449 CAD)

I'm pretty stuck, I don't do much gaming but I do play some on the side, and my graphics card can only handle 1440p or lower. I've heard the difference between 4k and 1440p isn't very noticeable, and that 27inch is perfect for 1440p.

Any thoughts on which one I should get?

>>60695113
>>60695258
tried a couple things

anyway all the debug lights are off so that means
>RAM, CPU, GPU and boot all work
>all fans work (including those on GPU and CPU)
>keyboard and mouse connected work and glow properly
>no errors, beeps or anything wrong

but it shows nothing on two separate monitors

also, power obviously connected to everything, no fan issues, no components seem to be broken

the only issue is that my cpu ryzen 5 does not have an iGPU

I am pissed off. very frustrating. it should work. I rechecked everything. but nothing shows up on screen

does CPU need an iGPU for BIOS to show up?

>>60697130
>does CPU need an iGPU for BIOS to show up?
no. You connect the monitor to the graphics card, not the motherboard.

>>60697130
>does CPU need an iGPU for BIOS to show up?
You need a GPU of some sort. The motherboard doesn't have integrated graphics, nor do the Ryzen processors. So you use the graphics card plugged into the PCIe slot.

>>60696987
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rXWBpb

here this build is way better

>>60697270
for dwarf fortress?

>>60696162
6 cores are the new standard, noice

>>60695618
>When I first connected the keyboard and mouse to my old PC they installed drivers automatically.
This is still true for true PS/2 keyboards.

>>60697278
yes you stupid nigger

>>60697163
>>60697196
ohhh fuck thank you very much

will plug the monitor into the GPU directly instead of the motherboard and see how that works

taking a good long break now though

>>60697370
meh

>>60697432
the other build was complete shit

>>60693262
You should have waited for the 16/32 thread ripper.

>>60697448
for dwarf fortress?

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Please rate my build. First build ever. Using it as a hobby editing workstation just something that will last me a few years and capable enough .

>>60697457
for anything, paying more than $100 for a dual core is retarded and the 1050 ti is way less powerful than a 570 and barely cheaper

>>60697495
quit using that meme hyper 212 cooler or change the fan it fucking sucks

>>60697495
switch the 1600x for a 1600 and the 1050ti for a rx 570

>>60687697
MX300 or SU800.

>>60697500
he made it very clear in the previous threads that the goal was dwarf fortress and that he didn't mind getting shit hardware if it's the best for dwarf fortress, though

is WD Purple shit if you intend to use it as a drive to dump loads of trash onto at a very high rate (say screen capture, debug logs, other write-and-delete shortly after stuff mainly generated by my shitty scripts)?

It is the cheapest drive after blue, which I hear has noise issues.

What the fuck video card am I supposed to get for my all AMD build now that bitcoin miners ruined everything?

>>60697495
you sure you need the x version? Otherwise okay I guess. CPU Cooler won't be necessary if you take the non x version unless you want to overclock.

>>60697564
>>60697278
if all you do is dwarf fortress then just get a g4560.

>>60697564
its the same price but better so it doesn't matter

>>60697531
RX570 aren't in stock
>>60697495
But I'd say that's a silly amount of money to pay for such a weak GPU.
Someone else posted a 1060 6GB for $215 yesterday.

>>60697613
then wait for it, they will be in stock soon

>>60697629
And they will go out of stock immediately as long as Ethereum stays at this value (it's expected to go up, possibly double or more, by the end of the year)
A good RX570 goes for $400+ on ebay right now. Miners are watching stock better than you are.

>>60691028
hello /g/ents, i've purchased a pc by pieces, here are the specs
> njoy titan 500, pfc active
> video gigabyte geforce gtx 1050 g1 gaming 2gb gddr5 128 bit
> processor intel core i3-7100, 3.90ghz kaby lake, 3mb, socket 1151, box
> hdd wd blue 1tb, 7200rpm, 64mb cache, sata III
> motherboard gigabyte h110m-s2h, socket 1151
> ram hyperx fury black 8gb, ddr4, 2133mhz, cl14, 1.2v, kit 2x4gb
> case, segotep lux black

now after i assembled it, my monitor, benq GL2250 displays a message " no signal detected", tried the monitor on another pc and it works fine.

Now here it goes, i tried the following:

reseting the bios battery
trying the monitor on a new pc
starting it without coolers
took the ram memory out and it doesnt says anything

>>60697654
then watch it better then them retard

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my faggot friend wont go lower than 170 for a fucking USED r9 290x that cum-guzzler
I just need it to hold me over until the 480 or 570 are back in stock, that hook nosed kike. he's never invited to my birthday parties ever again

>>60697662
you fucked up bigtime

>>60697654
You could easily write a script that keeps you up to date on inventory at online retailers.

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My trusty old phenom2 x6 1090t just died. And im looking for an upgrade now. This any good? Recommended by a friend and apparently often purchased together.

>>60697680
the r9 290x can still do 1440p 60fps ultra settings in new games, its well worth that money

>>60697662
>buying Intel in 2017
Stick the monitor cable on the mobo and see if it shows a signalr

>>60697705
just get the 1600 instead and overclock

>>60697705
Good enough but get a 1600 if you don't have a cooler compatible with that motherboard.

>>60697565
purples are surveillance, so they're made to write video 24/7.

I have no idea about noise

>>60697747
>>60697728
Already got a am4 bracket sent to me by noctua.

>>60697495
Swap the 1600x to the 1600 and use the included cooler.

>>60697675
>>60697689
The miners have fucking scripts already to immediately buy them as they go in stock, you tards.

You're giving shitty recommendations.
As long as someone can get a 1050Ti for a good price(<$115), or 1060 6GB(<$230), they are worth getting.
Telling someone hur dur just don't make a PC until miners have decided they've gotten enough RX570/RX580 (they will never get enough) is a bad recommendation.

Yes, it's for gayming. Is there any room for improvement?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BCPgcc

Lost as hell on this board so ill ask here and see what happens.

So i know and can do my own shit for protection on my pc but i want to make things pretty much baby mode for my mothers pc who keeps calling me that the AVG has expired and what not.

Can anyone help me out on a alternetive anti-virus for her machine that even a monkie could understand? Want to end this calling nigtmare every damn night

>>60697870
quit using windows and stick her in Ubuntu

>>60697370
Is that processor really as powerful at single core processing?

>>60697680
No that's pretty fair. It's faster than a 470/480 it just consumes more power.
I wouldn't ask that much of a friend but you might not be a very important friend to him or he might not be as faggy as me. Either way it's understandable.

>>60697920
Wanted to go for Ubuntu but shes a stubborn mule. Help a nigga out

>>60697654
I don't understand how it can be a thing...

What I found, you make like 5$ a month, per card, maybe say 7.5$ per month. It'll take 3 years to just pay off the card.
Or do they like, seriously underclock and undervolt their card, so that they don't draw much electricty at all? I still can't see it taking any less than 2 years to pay off the cards alone.

Then there's locale fees, which will push down the revenue further.

>>60697937
nigger its dwarf fortress its good enough, a cpu from 20 years ago is good enough

>>60697990
Do you even play dwarf fortress? Dorf Fortress is in a constant struggle for performance. Its unironically the most demanding CPU task my computer runs including multiboxing EVE. Sure you can run a 2x2 or a 3x3 embark for a while if you carefully manage your shit but I want to embark on larger embarks with more dorfs.

Dwarf Fortress is limitless in its processing consumption.

>>60697270
That's a fuckign awful build.
The motherboard is much worse than an asrock b350m pro 4 and the ryzen 5 1400 is a really shitty ryzen. either spend $20 more for a 1500X or switch platforms and get a pentium g4560 and save $100 with almost identical performance for games.

>>60695924

Wonder why she's smashing your shit...

Do you sit on the computer all day and not give her any attention?

>>60698039
1400 is good enough its just a lower clocked 1500x

>>60698072
with half the cache making it perform quite noticebaly worse

>>60698072
It's really not
The 1400 loses a significant amount of performance over the 1500X to the point that a 4GHz 1400 performance about the same as a stock 1500X and it's always only a little ahead of or sometimes behind the much cheaper pentium.

>>60697832
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HhXYCy
fixed. A 4 core, 4 thread i5 just isn't enough for today's gaming. Just overclock the R5 1600 to 3.7 Ghz (doable reliably on the stock cooler) and it'll perform very closely to, if not beat, the i7 7700k. Plus the 2 extra cores and 4 extra threads over the 7700k means you can have other programs in the background without hampering performance.

>>60697957
Have you considered that maybe she doesn't want Ubuntu because she wants to see her son? Filial duties, faggot.

>>60697270
Also is it just me or is that SSD significantly more shit than the other SSD

>240GB
>520MB read
>350MB write

the other is

>256GB
>1570 read
>540 write

>>60697870
Avast is highly rated. Try that.

>>60697270
Change mobo to MSI B350M Bazooka, or Mortar if you want red leds.
Spend some more on a case, like Fractal Design Define C Mini. While at it, you really might want to spend more on the GPU too, for a dual fan, and at least 4 heat pipes, Maybe bump it up to 8gb, after all, it's almost as good as an RX 480, so it does make snse to get 8gb... But, supposedly AMD handles vram caps better than nvidia, so whichever (8gb is gonna resell for more).

While still at it, you'll probably want to go for 1500X instead, because of the better heatsink.

It's still a fairly big investment, so you should be trying to "future proof" it, with an upgrade path.

>>60698039
ASRock b350m pro is a good board though, but yes, that MSI board isn't good.

>>60698157
Found something called Avira and looks simple enough. If not ill move to the Avast. Just need something that doesnt beg for upgrade and disables you from the free version.

Would it be best to do 2 intake 2 exhaust in a new build all cooled on air?

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>>60697796
Is this better? I could technically afford the 1060. So the 1600x isn't that better than just the 1600? I don't really know anything about overclocking.

>>60698261
The wraith spire included with the 1600 will easily carry you to 3.8MHz.

>>60697979
No, $5 per day not per month. Your understanding was way off.

>>60698261
If you don't want to OC and can spend the money, get the 1600X and ignore the spergs.

>>60698261
The difference between a perfect bin and worst case scenario bin ryzen results in less than 10% difference in overclocks.
Something real screwy is going on with ryzen or GloFo's 14nm so there's no difference for most consumers between the cheaper and more expensive ryzens. This is fine for us though.

>>60698222
I've had issues with Avira thinking nocd cracks for my games are viruses. Beyond that, I can't complain about it. Other than it scanning itself and thinking its own programming is a virus

>>60698303
Um. No it's more than 10%.
The average difference between 1700 and 1800X is like 6.5-7%. That's the AVERAGE difference.
When you compare best to worse, it's much more. Closer to 20%.

I have a 1600X that does 3.7GHz on 1.1V. Some unlucky people with 1600s (maybe with a bad board too idk) only get 3.7GHz at 1.25-1.3V

>>60698303
I just don't want a pc that can handle video editing for a few years, and will possibly used some CAD software as an engineering student. If the 1600 can allow me to do that then I'm ok with it.

>>60698329
I haven't seen a 1600 that can't manage 3.8GHz at some kind of manageable voltage but i've never seen someone get a 1600 or 1600x above 4.1GHz
0.3GHz is not more than 10% of 3.8GHz

>>60698096
It doesn't though
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-5-1500X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-1400/3921vs3922

2% worse, likely because of binning.
Intel is on same amount of l3 cache, and half l2 cache, even on the 7700k.

>>60698346
Ignore the *dont*
Also to mention it's video editing as a hobby so nothing crazy, just some dslr,go pro footage, maybe in the future I'll get a better camera but for now that what I'll be dealing with.

>>60698361
Is "manageable voltage" 1.25V, or 1.4V volt? You tard.
>i've never seen someone get a 1600 or 1600x above 4.1GHz
I've seen 1600Xs over 4.1GHz. Mine probably does it, but I haven't tried since 3.7GHz is good enough and I just want it cool.

>>60698143
the intel 600p is notoriously shit, if you don't know that you don't belong here

>>60698121
>2tb worth of ssd's
why

>>60698290
No, according to the calculations, it's 5$ per month.

If it was per day everyone would be mining etherium right now, and be paying off their cards in 2 months.

>>60698379
>userbenchmark
kill yourself

>>60698379
>synthetic
I was talking about games

>>60698398
>why
wasn't my choice, but I can't fault it. If he has the money for it, why not?

>>60698379
Ryzen cache doesn't work the same as intel's.
The cache is non-unified so any given core in a 1400 can only quickly access 4MB of L3 cache, and it has to go through the infinity fabric to access the other 4MB. 1500X has 8MB available to any core so the difference is more significant than it would otherwise seem.

>>60698406
Your calculations are shit. Fuck off.

>If it was per day everyone would be mining etherium right now
they ARE, you retard, that's why they're all sold out and the network hashrate is so high.

>>60698426
You're not gonna notice it in games.
7700K should be crashing and dying all the time if the 8mb cache was an issue.

>>60698520
Why are you talking about a completely different CPU?

>>60698534
Because 7700K only has 8mb cache. That's shared between 4 cores.
Each CCX has 4mb cache, shared between 2 cores, on 1400.

You should back up your claims that 1400 runs far worse on games, because of the cache (same clocks).

Alright guys. I can't stand white, black, or black and red themed builds. Can someone please show me a decent Ryzen 5 1600 build, under $800, with a blue color theme

>>60698604
7700k has 6MB not 8MB.

The 1400 does run about 5% worse clock-for-clock than the 1500X. Cache has a significant effect on IPC. HardwareUnboxed did a video comparing the two. But you shouldn't need the video, you should already have such an understanding of CPU architecture if you're going to be so sure of yourself.

>tfw want an ATX but MSi Tomahawk is 20€ more expensive than MSi Mortar (mATX)

matx looks so unaesthetic in a full tower

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>>60698604
Also no one said it performs far worse, just that it's a shitty buy when the 1500X is only a bit more expensive or the pentium g4560 is a lot cheaper.

>>60698734
>Costs 12% more
>Runs 5% better
See? 5% isn't significant enough.

The main reason to get 1500X is for the stock cooler.
Spending $40 for a cooler on a 160-185$ CPU makes no sense.

>>60698770
It's really not that far to scroll.

>>60698096
>quite noticebaly worse

That means it's far worse, for something to be noticeable, even quite noticable, it needs to be quite big of a difference.

>>60698794
He's probably talking about in multi threaded CPU benchmarks, in games the difference can be less or much more, depends on the game.

>>60698824
He was strictly talking about games... Just read for yourself.

Going to overclock the ryzen 1600 with stock cooler. What's the max I should set it to? Just set it to 3.7ghz wondering what I should set the voltage to? First time doing this