/pcbg/ - PC Building General

Does the Ryzen 5 1600x come with a shitty chipset like Intel or do I need to buy a graphics card?

Where do I buy linux???

>>60458704
AMD's apu's are pretty much the best out there. Intel literally signed a deal a few months ago to have AMD produce all their igpu's.

Anyways no, none of the zen chips are apu's, you have to wait until octoberish before those versions come out (pinnacle ridge or something)

>>60458704
No, Ryzen 5 and 7 do not have an integrated iGPU.

>>60458729
>none of the zen chips are apu's
Wrong, the R3 series is all APUs

>>60458730
>integrated iGPU.
ah yes, they do not have integrated integrated graphical processing unit
stupid me

>>60458707
is this a troll?
Linux is free and open-source. There's no place to buy it and about a zillion different versions you can download for free.

>>60458729
>>60458730
Well that's a fucking shame.

>>60458777
Ryzen 3 that's coming out soon will have an integrated Vega GPU

My Ryzen 1600 came yesterday. I checked if everything is okay and I noticed there something on my thermal paste. It's a little grain of dirt or something. I guess I should be able to remove it without touching the thermal paste. Should I remove that dirt or should I just remove whole thermal paste and get a new one?

my current setup:
i5-6400
gtx 1060 6gb
corsair vengeance lpx 2400mhz 8gb single channel
asus h110m-e m2
samsung evo 850 256GB m2
xfx xt500

should i consider selling my current setup and move to amd ryzen and rx580?

>>60458847
it'll still be fine even with the dirt thing
could you send a picture of it?
you should buy thermal paste anyway because it's always handy to have and pretty cheap

>>60458851
>rx 580
no. The GTX 1060 performs almost the same, that would be stupid. We're talking 2% difference on average.
The jump between i5 6400 to r5 1600 isn't big, it might be worth but only if you can sell it + the mobo (+ the ram if it's ddr3) at a good price.
Don't sell the rest (case, hard drive / ssds) regardless.
And don't sell the whole computer, that is very cost unefficient because it includes things that you can keep (ram if ddr4, case, hard drives, card graphics) but will have to re-buy at full price.

>>60458851
Not at all.

>it hurts when IP
you fucker
it's
>8Hz WAN IP

>>60458847
better safe than sorry. remove the thermal paste and add new stuff when the time comes.

>>60458913
>could you send a picture of it
Right now I can't but I'll post it here later once I get home.

>>60458851
No, it would be a sidegrade at best

>>60458913
>>60458938
>>60458981

thanks for the suggestion. i'm never an avid amd user, and considering the r5 1600 is on same range with my i5 price wise, but providing additional core and clockspeed. the difference is only $50 or less. i'll try to keep my current setup for this whole year and maybe considering proc+mb upgrade to ryzen 5 1600 next year.

Well... I make a similar PC and the budget is like $900 but adding monitor and case and stuff, mostly for videogames, ue4 development, and recording games

Nvidia shills, why a 1060 vs a 480

The reference 480 looks way cooler desu

Wtf Nvidia cards look like shit
580 it is I guess

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/y6MCPs
Note: I have no intention of making this, ever.
This build was just for shits and giggles to see what the cheapest usable Ryzen based PC would be. I think for the price, this setup would monster a G4560 with a 1050ti

>>60459065
drop the SSD & put an RX 470 instead
The 1050ti outperforms the rx 460/560, so you'd end up with less fps

>>60459091
>drop the SSD & put an RX 470 instead
RX470 blows the budget. Trying to keep the build as close to $500 as possible while being USABLE this isn't about maximum framerates. It's about something usable for entry level gaming. Though I took the advice with the SSD.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fcfdPs

>>60459132
isn't it at around $170?
and blows the 1050ti even

>>60459139
>isn't it at around $170?
yes, but I'm not sure how much more would be able to be sacrificed to keep the cost down without stepping to the G4560.

Again. no intentions of building this. just s hits and giggles. pure hypothetical.
I've got a personal build planned out with a R5 1600 and an RX570.

>>60459165
managed to drop the price below $500 by switching to a non-modular PSU.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QD8QvV

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So i asked about the ASRock AB350M-HDV in the other thread but didn't have a chance to reply before bumplock

Basically i just plan on using it in conjunction with a Ryzen 1400, not overclocked, so the lack of heatsinks and whatnot shouldn't be a problem right? Like i said i basically only do some gaming (bf1 et al) and video editing and stuff

Also what would be a good alternative AM4 motherboard in that same price range? Keep in mind once i've made the switch to AM4/ryzen i plan on staying there for as long as i used am3

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first real hot day where I live, summer is coming, my pc is cooking without my two 120mm stock fans going ham while the cpu is under load and I need to prepare.

my question is, are premium fans worth the extra cash in the opinion of the people on /g/? I was thinking about getting two Rosewill 140mm fans for $11 from newegg and place them in the front of my p400s. thoughts? any recommended fans?

>>60459210
Getting a $25 CPU cooler would have more impact than case fans no matter the number.

Thoughts? Were unable to find any reviews on that RAM but what could go wrong?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DLDj9W

>>60459210

if your CPU is hurting that much, buy an AIO

140mm fans will pump more air (and be quieter at idle and at load)

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>>60459241
got that covered, I have an H7 in there cooling the i5

>>60458766
>Bait face plant

Of course it's a troll you autist, and I'm not even the guy who posted

>>60459271
Oh, then do get fans then. Do get 140mm ones.

>>60459271

then why are you worried about temps if you have such a 'great' cooler?

Shiiiiiit

Just found out silent wings 3 have some noise close to coil whine.
What do I do now?

Are there any other good fans? No noctua memes.

>>60459283
really my question was not answered, is something like corsairs Air Series fans, that much better over discounted stock fans, that I should shell out the extra cash for them? sorry, but I would really like the input from anyone reading this

>>60459285
maybe I was a bit misleading, my problem is less about temps, and more about "my cpu cooler is loud and I can't dump enough air into the case with my single 120mm fan at low rpm to keep it quiet". I hope I'm making sense, cause I'm kind of tired right now.

>>60459352

buy a corsair h115. enjoy your low temps.

>>60459360
You want me to put a rad + 2 fans as as case fans?
That's both extremely cost ineffective, and horrible airflow.

>>60459373

um, who cares. your motherboard will be fine because of all the surface area and your CPU will never hit 60c.

But you kiddies can keep thinking that the AIO radiator is somehow worse than not getting air to that little heatsink.

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Is it a good idea to torrent Windows? Which version should I get? Is there a bigger risk that I might get viruses and shit so should I install antivirus?

>>60459392
AIOs are expensive, less reliable, and noisier than air coolers.

>>60459413
>Is it a good idea to torrent Windows?
I would not bet on it

>Which version should I get?
any that's still being fully supported by Microsoft, if you don't like it, go to linux. Honestly I would go with 10 because at least I know I'm under their full protection, god knows if that actually means anything but jack shit.

>Is there a bigger risk that I might get viruses and shit so should I install antivirus?
well just out of experience, with XP I got a shit ton of viruses, with 7 I got quite a few, and with 10 I got one, no wait that was kmspico GOD DAMN IT MICROSOFT, YOU GOT ME.

>>60459266
looks solid

>>60459202
looks like a good destitute build

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>>60458913
>b-buy nvidia its only 2% worse and 12.5% more expensive

fuck off merchant no one here wants you shit drivers

>>60458847
Why didn't you just get arctic sliver? stock thermal paste is always shit

>>60459579
>good destitute build
good. That was the point. And because it's AM4, there's a decent upgrade path.

>>60459606
It's like a couple degrees. We're not in the 2000's anymore.

>>60459413
Why would you want to torrent it tho? Just download it from Microsoft lol

>have
i5 2400
rx 250x
8gb RAM
~$100
>want
1080p STABLE 60fps low settings (at least)

what do?

>>60458766
It's cute, they're so open and naive when they're fresh.
I've been here for 8 years now, pretty soon you'll have been trolled so much you feel you have the expertise needed to grade them.
See this >>60458707 would normally be a 0/10 but it got an honest reply, which is an automatic two points in my book because he followed proper form. It was a lucky shot, but it deserves acknowledgement.

>>60459624
its still inferior

>>60459647
Get a rx 570, that will be good for stable 60fps 1080p ultra

>>60459663
I can neither afford nor want a 570, please try again

>>60459599
what?
stop shitposting, faggot

>>60459647
rx 470/570
the i5 2400 can still shit out above 60 frames constantly, i believe, so you don't need to change just yet though an upgrade would be great indeed

>>60459658
I'm used to /o/ That's a -10/10 troll
You should see how much something as simple as posting "Corvette vs GTR" gets threads with over 250 replies

>>60459681
gtx 1050ti

>>60459681
then get a gtx 1050ti and enjoy your 60fps
mid settings

>>60459703
>>60459702
>>60459692
Thanks. What can an overclocked rx460 achieved on this setup, you believe?

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>>60459758
Worse than a stock gtx 1050

>>60459758
An RX 560 can get fairly close to a GTX 1050, if your budget is really low, and it may give you 4gb vram.

>>60459774
Will my 2400 be a bottleneck?

What's the average overclock one can expect from a Westmere chip? (e.g. i7-990X).

>>60459820
No, GTX 1050 or TI are too weak for that.

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I have my ram on a2 and b2. Speccy is showing I have 3 avail spots of 4 so I'm assuming my slots aren't fucked. I have 16gbs of 8x2 3200mhz ram installed but windows and the bios only show 8. They look like they're seated proper. Halp.

>>60459845
>>60459774
>>60459703
>>60459702
>>60459692
>>60459663
Guys what can an overclocked 250x do?
Dark Souls 3 1080p 60fps?

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Lets get some hype going for a couple of months for AM4 mITX mobos!

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Have a friend that wants to upgrade from an FX 8350, so Im planning on telling him to upgrade to pic related. My only worry is that the motherboard wont support the RAM. Has anyone used it and gotten good results?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dz6QvV

>>60459884
And by "it", I mean the motherboard.

I'm trying to put together my first build. Is it normal if nothing really makes sense and I'm kind of just picking expensive things seemingly at random?

I'm trying to graduate from being a filthy prebuilt/laptop-as-a-desktop-pc pleb and I'm learning from scratch as I'm going. I using the guides in the OP as references at least.

>>60459884
http://www.gigabyte.us/Motherboard/GA-AB350M-Gaming-3-rev-10#support-dl

>>60459984
>Is it normal if nothing really makes sense and I'm kind of just picking expensive things seemingly at random?
no
you want parts that suits your needs

>>60459984
Just gotta look at benchmarks, and prices, and figure things out that way.

>>60459985
he's most likely talking about the 3000MHz and whether it will work or not

What CPUs have good single-thread performance? My build will be around $650

>>60459984
going with the most expensive things is not the way to go. It's a good way to throw money away on things you don't need though.
decide on your budget first, then your needs. Then try to grab parts that fit your needs but keep it within the budget

>>60460004
it'll work but maybe not at the rated speed until bios updates are made.

>>60460027
Why do you care about single threaded performance if you don't even know which ones are the best at it?

Having a bit of a dilemma, I'm saving money for a mortgage (London isn't cheap), mostly use PC for surfing/gaming, but I'm having to set most newer games to Low to get consistent +60 fps at 1080p. Current specs:

i5 3570K
Radeon 7950
8gb ram

Should I go all out with my planned mobo, ram and ryzen 1600 build (bearing in mind it'll cost me around £850 and I'm trying to save up), or can I get a radeon x570 or something to keep me over 60 fps at 1080p on high/ultra settings and leave the rest of the build as it is?

I'm stuck between wanting a good new build and being mature, frugal and within my means

>>60460093

woops forgot to mention my new build includes either a 1070 or whatever the vega line can offer when it comes out

Is 144hz a meme?

>>60460133
I don't know, but I don't think it is.

After I buy new computer, I'm hoping to buy a 1440p 144hz freesync monitor.

>>60459867
Heeeeeeeeelp

What is a good rx 580 8gb?

>>60460152
Which version of windows is it

>>60459985
What this anon >>60460004 said. I was asking because I keep reading about some kits under performing with Ryzen, but I found this, maybe it'll help some other anons. Thanks for the link, though, it also helped.
http://rymem.vraith.com/

>>60460212
There's a big AMD update for RAM compatability, which will allow all RAM to clock as normal.

The problem is if the system can't boot with the ram, because then you won't be able to get the bios updates.

>>60459875
I'm gonna laugh when these turn out to be the best boards for am4 by a long shot. Full RAM support straight to 4200, two nvme's without cutting into the pcie lanes, crossfire support, and x370 tier VRM's

all of it for cheaper than the regular x370's

>>60460226
Cant you just under clock the RAM from the BIOS, boot, install the update, and then set the clock to normal?

>>60460302
that's generally how it works

>>60460133
Do you play anything competitively, and is that competitive game dependent on sub 150ms reflex, and are you in the 90th percentile in performance of those who play that game competitively?

If the answer to all that is yes, then no 144hz is not a meme, buying a 144hz monitor is buying skill. You'll immediately see the difference in input lag and your own response time to things happening in-game and you will wonder how the everloving fuck you could have possibly played at a lower refresh rate before. You'll never be able to go back.

If the answer is no, then yes 144hz is a meme, you'll never notice anything significant between it and 120hz or even 60hz. Things will look a bit smoother to you; whoop-dee-doo.

>>60460302
Don't think you can even get into BIOS if your mobo refuses the RAM.
>>60460256
Crossfire/SLI support would be difficult with only one PCI-e lane though... I guess APU "crossfire" could be a thing.

>>60460380
>If the answer is no, then yes 144hz is a meme, you'll never notice anything significant between it and 120hz or even 60hz.
Bruh, the difference in smoothness is supposed to be pretty big.

Old 60hz CRTs used to have a visible flicker to them, that's how little 60hz is.

>>60460226
Not all RAM

currently the fastest you can get, even if your RAM is working 100% fine, is 3200mhz. This is because that's the highest multiplier AMD's allowed.

Getting faster than 3200mhz requires a base clock overclock.

The upcoming update is rumored to include bigger multipliers so shit can support faster than 3200mhz ram, but don't hold your breath or expect anything more than 3200.

>>60460412
Not him, but is there a release date for that update?

>>60460510
May

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>>60459884
3000 works fine on my ax370 gaming 5, just not at 3000, but 2933. enable the xmp profile.

>>60460628
Thanks for the info, anon. What kit are you using?

WHEN DO THE BIOS UPDATES FOR AM4 MOBOS COME OUT!?

>>60460732
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820313777

2 of these

>>60460791
Comes out in may

>>60460825
IT IS MAY!

>>60460802
Alright, thanks.

>>60460833
yeah but it's also not june yet

Someone giving me an old build with an X58 motherboard and some Nehalem chip (probably i7-920), 6GB of DDR3 RAM (2+2+2) and some lame old video card, probably 9600GT, GTX 260, or something like that. I have about 400 AUD to upgrade this thing as best as possible, what would /pcbg/ do? Should I jettison the platform and get an 1151 setup, or keep the Nehalem and just get a new video card?

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Is it just where I live or are silver rated PSUs completely extinct? The only ones I can find are EVGA Bronze at 500-600W and Seasonic Gold 650W that cost twice that, and I don't really need more than 500W. That EVGA PSU can't be that unreliable, right? The one I have in my current PC, some Antec Truepower 650W has lasted me 4 years of heavy use without any problems.

And maybe a retarded question but do I need to buy one of these to get Wifi when I build a new PC? I currently have one of those Asus Wifi antennas but it's super inconsistent and sometimes drops out completely.

https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-TL-WN851N-300Mbps-Wireless-Adapter/dp/B0034COYDA

Is there anything in particular I should be looking for in a motherboard aside from having enough slots for everything? From the looks of what pcpartsbuilder is telling me, it seems like all the technical specifications are a non-issue/far beyond the scope of the mid-range pc I want to build.

>>60461061

I have had a EVGA 600B Bronze 80+ for 6 months and no issues.

EVGA Bronze is fine

>>60461095

If you want to overclock your CPU then you need to make sure the mobo is overclockable, and then even it is some are better than others.

And if you plan on keeping it for a long time then in the future you might want to get a little more performance out of it

If I am poor as fuck and only play games that are not really heavy (dota 2/CS:GO), would a g4560 + rx 550 combo suffice?

>>60461061
silver is just more power efficient
yes, you'll need a PCIe wifi card unless the motherboard specifically states it has wifi. Most don't. Make sure you have a free PCIe slot for it
There's a lot of PCIe1x wifi cards, look into it

>>60461227
Have you looked into the price of 1050ti? RX 550 is more suited for people who will buy Ryzen 3 because it lacks iGPU and RX 550 seem to be just as strong as an iGPU(which the g4560 has). Unless you will really just play Dota 2 and CS:GO save the money as g4560's iGPU will suffice but if not, try the 1050ti, because at the very least it will let you play other games in decent settings.

>>60461227
You could probably make do with the iGPU on the G4560 if you play the games on lower settings

Im trying to choose a nice, small portable mITX case. I didn't like Lian-Li or Cooler Master's options because of their low airflow. Could any of you Anons share your opinions on which one of these cases to get? I picked these cases based on size, airow, and portablility.

Fractal Design Node 202
+
>smallest
>average price
-
>shitty cable management
>small coolers only

Silverstone SG13 and SG05
+
>relly cheap
>can use AIOs
-
>virtually no cable management
>boxy

Corsair 380T
+
>best airflow (tons of fan mounts and space)
>decent cable management
>atx psus
>room for big HSFs and custom loop
>handy carrying handle
>cool design
>easy to access
-
>expensive
>bulky
>gaymen aesthetics

If you dont see a case you like on here, its probably because it was bigger and had no big advantages (e.x: The Milo and The Raven are like bulky node 202s), was some impossible-to-get overpriced crowd funded case(e.x: The Zaber Sentry costs almost $250 and takes half a year to ship), or it was had major flaws (e.x: Most Prodigys arrive broken in shipping).

>>60461272
Yeah, it's at least double the price of an RX 550. A friend of mine also recommended the 1050ti but because of the price I might not be able to get it.

>>60461274
It seems I have missed the part in OP where it says g4560's iGPU can cover CS:GO and Dota 2, but what I'm actually thinking about is whether the iGPU of g4560 can maintain a decent FPS on a 1080p monitor.

>>60461341
>Yeah, it's at least double the price of an RX 550. A friend of mine also recommended the 1050ti but because of the price I might not be able to get it

Double the price? Isn't rx 550 about $80 and the 1050ti around 110-120? Where the fuck do you live.

>>60461341
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmYRKi-x4Aw

At 720p it works but 1080p is pushing it. But the RX550 is very overpriced for what you're paying for when you can get a 560 or 460 for just slightly more.

>>60461412
Philippines, you would be surprised on how the prices here are really fucked up specially on NVidia GPUs, the 1050ti is almost 200 usd.

>>60461433
I see, I'll just look at the rx 560 or 460 then. Thanks.

>>60461525
It depends on what it costs over there but here the RX460 is literally cheaper than the RX550 and the 480 is almost cheaper than the 570 so it's just not worth it. AMD really dropped the ball on the pricing of the 5xx series, I hope they'll bring down the prices soon because this just doesn't make sense at all.

>>60461709
I can find an Rx 570 at $170 on pcpartpicker right now

Help me tailor my first build best before I go ahead and buy all the parts. No budget but best to stick to ~£1250.

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/T8yWLD

Ryzen 5 build, 1440p at 144Hz for light gaming, predominately productive tasks such as video editing and music production (I figure I will buy external speakers later but will accept recommendations for those as well).

>>60461061
>And maybe a retarded question but do I need to buy one of these to get Wifi when I build a new PC?
Nah. Generally it's just fine to use a chinese USB wifi transceiver with antenna thing.

Apart from that, just lay down some cat 6 or 7 ethernet cable (cat6 connector either way for standard hardware). It's a sensible thing to do for the presumably bunch of years you'll use it.

>>60461733
I'm fairly sure you can find cheaper SSDs from kingston and sandisk
looks good to me

>>60461061
EVGA are good.

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>>60461844
>>60461733
Consider ADATA too.

>>60462033
It has good reading speed but what about longevity and writing speed? Those are also very important factors in an SSD choice.

>>60458707
Here:
https://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/

300mb/s on a 128, 500 mb/s on 250-1tb models. ADATA is a pretty established and reputable manufacturer so I assume they last a long while.

>>60462139
Meant for >>60462046 in regards to >>60462033
My bad.

I have a 21:9 1080p monitor, 75Hz. Is the RX480, 1070 or 1080 the better value proposition? Don't want to spend money needlessly, but can afford 1070 or 1080; will I need to upgrade the RX580 in less than 3 years?

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>Got complete build at home
>can't do anything with it without a monitor
I still can't decide on one
Too scarred of dead pixels
Reviews barely ever test stuff like resolution interpolation

Fuck me.

>>60459606
Arctic silver is no longer a good value, there's ones that are both better and cheaper

>>60459624
>we're not in the 2000's anymore
And CPUs have gotten much more powerful and need MORE cooling, not less... making having TIM that's at least better than toothpaste more important than ever.

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should i be worried? the PC inside and near the motherboard would just suggest room temperature.

>>60462360
Maybe if you were torture testing it and the VRM was shitting itself, but idle? No, that's impossible. You have a bad sensor.

>>60462360
most likely the sensor is fucked up

>>60462360
Unless there's literally smoke coming out, you can just ignore that.

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>>60462360
Your thermal sensor is gone. Don't worry about it, it might give wrong data but your PC will operate just fine despite that. The only bad thing about it is that you might see other parts of your mobo break down soon too.

Mine is stuck at near zero at all times. That's just how it is, doesn't affect anything else.

On pcpartpicker they have these literally who sellers like jet, outletpc, superbiiz... are they trustworthy?

Hey pcbg
My new ryzen build bootloops 5 times before booting up normally.
After tweaking with the bios for a while I changed the RAM frequencies from the "OC" 3000 to the default 2133 and the bootloop stopped. My system would only recognize the memory at 2400 at max anyway.

I already uodated my bios, I'm on a AsRock B350m Pro4 and my ram has XMP 2 which was what I had enabled and atomatically set the "OC" and RAM voltages.

How can I make this work?

https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10197

This is 12V DC EL wire with a JST connector. Is there anywhere I can plug this into my motherboard?

>>60462489
You lost the silicon lottery or bought shitstix. wait a month and there should be another BIOS update that fixes the RAM bullshit for everybody

Well now that I have this old i5-2500k and 4x4GB of good RAM, I'm thinking I want to make a mITX box out of it using the iGPU.
Maybe a NAS? I could get a 4-10TB HDD to combine these 2 1TB HDDs I had. But I don't think I want to get a 2 TB SSD, for it.

Predominately, I want to keep it around to use to test software since it's a common CPU. I'm making a game and I'd like to have it running on an i5-2500k iGPU. At least at 15fps I guess so it'd run on something twice as good well.

I also have a full ATX PSU I can use.. but I guess I could buy a new picoPSU. I do really want a small box since I might end up with 3 if these testing machines, and only one of which would have a dGPU.
Maybe I'll get a larger box for a dGPU for this one.. like a RX550.

But case suggestions then? What's the smallest size for a full ATX PSU and a small dGPU?
I could go with SFX PSU instead if it makes more sense, though.

>>60458745
Again, there is no evidence of that.

On the contrary, in the shareholders call Lisa Su said that the Ryzen APUs would be A-series APUs and the ones without iGPUs would be Athlons and not Ryzen.
It sounds to me that they'll have less L3 cache.

>>60462489
I'm fairly sure the previous bios (the one before the agesa update) should have better ram overclock support, at the cost of worse ram latency though

So I'm finally upgrading to Ryzen 1600 from an FX-8120 and I'm trying to decide wich motherboard to buy. These are my options:

- Gigabyte GA-AB350-Gaming 3
- ASRock Fatal1ty AB350 Gaming K4
- ASUS Prime B350-PLUS

I'm mostly torn between the first and the second options. Any advice is appreciated.

>>60462360
>socket 1150
>115 degrees
pottery

>>60458847
I would recommend you replace it if you're going to OC. You'll be able to handle another 0.05v or so with better thermal paste like Cryorig CP7 or Noctua NT-H1. Don't use Artic Silver 5 >>60459606

>>60459820
Idk. My 7970 was bottlenecked by my i5-2500k in some newer games with how it stuttered. A 1050Ti is similar performance in some cases. But it shouldn't be that bad.

Despite that cherry picked benchmark in >>60459774, the RX550 can be as fast or faster in newer games and still fine in older games. I would get that if it's significantly cheaper. But get the 1050Ti if they're around the same price.

>>60459870
Look up benchmarks yourself? wtf. I'm pretty sure the 250x is like 60% the RX550 perf and the 1050Ti is often faster still for older games.

>>60462046
It's 99-95% as fast as the 850 in general. Longevity seems to be even better, based on user reviewers.
I have both an 840 and SU800 myself. I wish I waited on buying that 840 to just have a second SU800.

>>60462360
>>60462414
>>60462429
lol. I'm pretty sure VRMs don't burst until over 125C. But 115C is super high, so yeah maybe falty sensor.

You can tell if it's the sensor because 115C is just barely hot enough that it'll burn if you touch it for a few seconds. To burn quickly is more around 130C.

>>60458673
finally chose all the parts. SSD and Graphics card i already bought. I am from EU so prices dont reflect
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/byKXqk

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>>60462529
Nvm these prices are retarded.

I have a Cooler Master 360 Elite case I'll put this full ATX in, and throw away this old E7500. I just need a lower profile cooler I think and to get a reliable 4TB HDD.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nqMCPs

$929 on newegg without discounts or combos

My current build is:

CRYORIG C7 - 47mm Tall, SFF Mini ITX CPU Heatsink

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB x4

GIGABYTE GV-N760WF2OC-2GD GeForce GTX 760 2GB 256-Bit GDDR5

i5-4440 Haswell

Seagate 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache

CORSAIR CX600 600W

ASUS 24X DVD Burner

COOLER MASTER R4-S2S-124K-GP

MSI Z87-G45

NZXT Source 210 ELITE Black

I'm getting reasonable temps and frame rates in everything, but I drive two monitors (An Asus VG248QE at 1080p/144hz and an old Acer v179 at 1280x1024/75hz) and I'm wondering if I should upgrade anything before something happens, or should I keep plugging along with this build till I can just make a new one?

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Is it possible to get different results from overclocking the same mobo+ram? My friend got his ram work at 2933mhz (http://www.corsair.com/en-ww/vengeance-lpx-16gb-2x8gb-ddr4-dram-3000mhz-c15-memory-kit-black-cmk16gx4m2b3000c15) on Asus PRIME B350-PLUS while i could not even reach to 2666mhz. Frustrated desu.

>>60462973
yes, it's possible.

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>>60462989
what do i do now? can i do anything other than waiting for a new bios?

>>60462505
>>60462535
Thsnks, I'll tweak around with voltages to see if I can figure out something, if not then just wait for the BIOS update.

>>60463037
you could roll back to the previous bios which should have better RAM OC, because the current one had to throw all these workarounds away for the agesa update.
Or you could wait for the bios update that should at worst come out may 31th
the difference of performance isn't even that big

>>60463054
and by previous bios i mean the one right before the current one

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/r/ing version of this with AMD logo

>>60462973
Duh?
RAM dies vary just like CPUS, go figure.
Just give it 0.025v more or something.

>>60463052
>>60463054
Thanks. I think i'll wait the new bios.

>>60463070
i nearly tried every timing+voltage combination. i'm exhausted 2bh

Hey folks, new hard drive arrived today (for the new rig), I'd like to put it in my current machine and test it for errors, if at all possible, before shoveling data on it and putting it in the new pc.
It's a HGST drive, any tool recommendations?
They've been bought by WD, right?

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Reposting this from the other day, just thinking of buying a new processor so I should be able to run PUBG just fine right??

I don't really have a budget for upgrades but I don't want to spend anything that isn't necessary

>>60463406
Hitachi did sell its HDD arm to WD, but it still uses the superior manufacturing AFAIK.

crystal diskmark and a regular SMART test are enough.

>define r5 was on sale so I didn't get fucked in the ass over prices for once

How well does the RX580 run in older games such as Gothic and morrowind?

>>60464328
extremely well???
even if the game aren't optimized for the cards, the hardware in all those years has gotten insanely more powerful. There is 0 doubt you will run these games at their maximum settings without any problem.

>>60463406
>>60463543
alright, sounds good

thanks

>>60464328
Morrowind is 15 years old

You'd have to install like 20 graphics upgrade mods just to make it break a sweat

>>60464328
Dude, Moore's law is starting to shows signs of potentially stopping, but we're still looking at a ridiculous growth rate of hardware specs. These games are old as fuck, literally the only problem you'll have is they'll expect extremely outdated drivers.

Could you guys rate this build I want to upgrade to the r5 1600 and the 580 or Vega which ever is a better value. I cant spend more than 800usd
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Ayz/saved/Qs8gsY

>>60464681
Vega is high end, it will not fit in your budget.

>>60464681
>800$
>vega
Not happening.

>>60464730
>>60464718
I ment i can't spend over 800 now. Didn't know Vega was high end though thanks

>>60463525
You could try a cpu overclock first. Upgrading would include new mobo, processor and ram.

A 4790 could be an option, but I would honestly only spend on that if you can find a sweet deal.

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why do people recommend the r5 1500x over the 1400?

>>60464880
The 1400 has much less cache making it perform noticeably worse than an R5 1500

>>60464681
Buy the better CPU now, upgrade the GPU later.

>>60464891
alright, thanks

>>60464880
The 1500X has the same cache amount as the 1600 and 1600X, while the 1400 has half the amount of cache.

>cachemeoutside.jpg

>>60464891
>>60464932
would you say the 1500x is worth an extra 20€ and would the 1600 be worth an extra 30€ over the 1500x if i want to have a build that lasts some time?

>>60464880
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=2992&cmp[]=3001

Compared to the 1400, the 1500x costs ~10% more and performs ~20% better.

Compared to the 1500X, The 1600 costs ~15% more and does ~25% better.

Worth depends on how much cpu power you'll actually use, but moving up is cost-efficient.

>>60464997
Yes, the R5 1600 is the best value CPU right now

>>60465030
>>60465060
ok, thanks

>>60464328
????
idk like 3 thousand fps well.

You'd be fine with like an RX550. idk how you can be so out of touch to even ask that, desu.

>>60465141
I was asking because I was thinking the drivers not being compatible with older games.

If you haven't noticed I'm computer illiterate

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the motherboard I want doesn't have enough usb slots.

>>60465141
some old games like Ragnarok online run worse on modern hardware

or maybe that's just a windows 7/10 issue

it has to do with using old directx version or something

>>60465206
use less USB shit

or get a secondary USB controller

>>60465030
I decided to compare the CPU in my gaming laptop (Dell Inspiron 15 7000 gaming) with the CPU for the Ryzen build I'll be doing. I was pleasantly surprised.

>>60465274
forgot the fucking link.
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=2922&cmp[]=2984

>>60465288
>cpubenchmark

>>60465425
don't just greentext like a retard leaving him wondering why you are using a meme arrow

Any suggestions to make this list better? I'm willing to spend $1400 and want to make the most of it. I'd be gaming at 1440p 60hz. Please and thanks

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/shiggydiggy/saved/px9mGX

>working on new build
>never much enjoyed any part of the build process besides the finished product and research
>hate cable management more than anything else
>bought a case with 4 tempered glass walls
>my mess will be on display if I don't cable properly

send help

>>60465517
Looks good to me.

>>60465517
>$370 for a fucking 1070
>all that money for windows
if you didn't fuck up there you could have at least a 500GB SSD, if not a 1TB one.

>>60462645
>>60458847
>>60459606
>>60458952
>>60458913
Decided to remove the thermal paste and apply new one. With what exactly should I clean the old paste? Are paper towels/toilet paper ok? Do I really need to use alcohol?

>>60465868
Mkay , what's the easiest way to get Windows 10 for free?

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/user/ferdainand/saved/sRkBmG
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/user/ferdainand/saved/LWb999
>is the first build worth the extra 200€ over the second?
>also, r8 & h8

>>60465967
microsoft toolkit

>>60465994
>https://de.pcpartpicker.com/user/ferdainand/saved/sRkBmG
use faster memory. 2666 recommended. Ryzen loves fast ram.
Also add a 120GB 2.5" SSD to hold Windows as the boot drive.

>https://de.pcpartpicker.com/user/ferdainand/saved/LWb999
again, add a 120 GB 2.5" SSD as a boot drive.

>All of these computers with > 8 gb of ram

Wasting your money. You will probably not need it, and you should build your computer and see if you are running out of memory and then buy more if you need it. You probably won't for a while. And when you do it will be cheaper because prices will come down with age.

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>>60457746
Took your advice, anon <3

>>60465939
do NOT use toilet paper. Too much lint. Paper towel are likely to scratch.

Isoprpyl and coffee filters, or microfiber cloths like for cleaning eyeglasses

https://www.scan.co.uk/shops/asus/cashback/promotion/q2-17?utm_campaign=Scanshot+so587+16%252f05%252f17+Asus+Cashback&utm_source=scanshot&utm_medium=email

Not sure if everyone's seen this yet. Intel offering ~£100 cash back when buying CPU+mobo combos. I know you guys preface ryzen but worth checking out for poorfags like myself.

>>60466287
>top mounted fan meme

stupid question time

What 1070 should I buy. I know I want one with fans and not the "blower", but there are so many options. The FTW edition looks alright, despite an awful name. Thoughts?

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>>60466371
What exactly about it is a meme?
>2 front fans blow in cool air that passes through the motherboard, GPU/ Soundcard and some to the CPU radiator
>top fan blows in even more cool air right on the heatsinks and the radiator fan

I'm looking into a Carbide 400C case for my build and I have rather limited space for placing the PC. I won't have much space between the back and the wall and it only includes 2 fans. Considering this, should I buy 2 extra fans and stick them on the top?

Should I get two of these Noctuas?

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/noctua-nf-a14-pwm-fan-140mm-fg-021-nc.html

How feasible is it to overclock past 4ghz on Ryzen 5 CPUs?

>>60457897
>closed back expansion slots
Just fuck my airflow up senpai

>>60466347
Is this UK only?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dcg3nn
Well lads, this is it. Now tell me how much did I fuck up.

>>60466624
http://www.asus-promotion.com/cpu/en/uk

Can't copypasta but if you scroll down you'll see the list. Basically seems like everywhere except US.

Anyone know with this offer is an i5 more worthwhile than g4560? I'm low budget and need the igpu so can't go ryzen.

>>60466633
>one stick of ram

You fucked up.

>>60466287
Parts list?

>>60466737
It's not, 7600k+hyper212evo+z270-discount is about twice the price on PCPartpicker compared to g4560+cheapest mobo.

>>60466806
I'm eventually going to add second one.

>>60466850
He didn't say an overclockable i5, just an i5. It could be worth it with an I5 7500 (with the stock cooler) and a B250 mobo.

>>60466850
>>60466737
Should add that Ryzen 3 will have vega iGPU, starting at $120. Just Wait, if you can.

Why are people even recommending the R5 1400 or 1500X? They're both 4 cores split into two complexes, it's pretty fucking trash. If you're going ahead buying a 4 cores processor then get an Intel one at least, or better, simply get a 1600.

These two CPUs are the worst of the worst.

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>>60466842
Been slowly waiting around for sales here and there and snatching a lot of the parts on sale.

>>60465939
microfiber cloth and rubbing alochol.

I'm just about ready to sit down, pick all my pc parts and have it shipped. But there's one thing that's nagging at me. What do with my old quad core build?

>>60466900
Stop lying. You've been called out on it repeatedly.

>>60466980
>stick of SR 2133 RAM
>H60
>$500 1080
>750w bronze non-modular psu
>no ssd
you seem like you have no clue at all what you're doing.

>>60459681
RX560

>>60462929
That 760 won't last long, wait till it dies and save up till then for whatever is good for future 1080p144hz.

>>60467000
What? This anon >>60466884 didn't even read the article which clearly says that only z and x series mobos and i7-6950X, i7-6900K, i7-6850K, i7-6800K, i7-7700K, i7-6700K, i5-7600K, i5-6600K are part of the discount.

>>60466980
Make sure you really can make use of all those cores, consider fan over watercooling at that price range, at that price might as wll as go taichi otherwise get a cheap b350 it will overclock just fine. Change memory to a 2x8gb 3200mhz kit, drop the hdd for a 250/500gb ssd if over budget and buy hdd later on, would wait for vega if i were you considering you are on a budget and cheaper monitors for amd gpu's, PSU overkill either spend less on a 600-650W seasonic one or pay similarly for a better quality evga with less W.

Does r7 support GPU passthrough?

>>60467193
Why wouldn't it, it's just the processor. You might need a second graphics card though as Ryzen doesn't have integrated graphics.

>>60467025
What's wrong with the H60?

>>60467193
It does, but the IOMMU groupings on the motherboards are kinda fucked right now. Last I heard it's being worked on but I think the manufacturers are focusing more on getting things like the RAM compatability sorted first.

>>60467084
He keeps lying about Ryzen 3 having iGPU.

>>60467230
A $35 air cooler cools better and is quieter. duh.

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>>60467294
Guess I'll be waiting™ till they sort their shit out.

>>60467222
I have an old HD 5450 that I can use. Though one thing I was wondering was if I could run something like a 7870 for Linux and a 290x that would be passed to windows. My PSU wouldn't support both at full load but if say the 7870 is idling in Linux I could run the 290x at full load and vice versa. Does the 290x stay turned off if the windows vm is off?

I can't get a rx580 for availability reasons and have already bought a freesync monitor, what can i get of almost equal price and performance that is still amd? Oor should i just buy a 1060?

>>60466603
It all depends on you build . Post parts

VEGA IS DELAYED Q3 NOW FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

>>60467578
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/x2Lyr7

Yes, I know that I'm running a 1070 with 1080p.

>>60467531
If you are set on Freesync, get a 480/570/470, in that order of preference.

If you don't care that much about Freesync, get a 1060.

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>>60461302
Raijintek Metis, but requires modding.

The case is completely symmetrical (with the exception for two screw holes, may need something like a glues pistol for it), so you can swap the internals.
Put the GPU at the bottom, cut two holes at the very bottom, and mount 2x 120mm fans there, as intakes. Then you cut a hole to the right of the motherboard tray, and mount the PSU there. You'll have room for a few 2.5" drives, if you take them onto the case/PSU.

For the CPU cooler, you can put it as exhause, or as an intake. The thing I'd worry about if I had it as an intake is too much positive pressure, which means that air flow will be impeded. To solve that, you can drill another 120mm holes at the top, and fit in a couple of slim 120mm fans, as exhaust (I don't like this, because I think it ruins the appearance of the case).

Imo Raijintek Metis is the best and most available SFF case on the market.
It can fit 160mm CPU coolers, 265-270mm (not sure exactly) GPUs.

>>60467531
The RX570 4GB is really equal or better than the lower end RX480 8GB. Just get one of those if it's for 1080p.

>>60467668
I like this.

>>60467892
er equal or better in 1080p, that is.

>>60467651
for what reason, i run a 1070 for 1440p thats really overkill

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Fuck it, I bought.

guys, whats the best cpu cooler right now for an i5 7600k.

it would be nice if it came in the color white as well.

Ok... Do you think 4k will become the standard relatively soon?

1080 Ti can already do 4k at 60fps.
Sure, that's one hell of a card, but there's soon new architecture coming out... And why would nVidia push out so many cards? Maybe just plain greed of one upping their customers... Or are their volta performing insanely well, so that they want to not lose out on all the money that could be made from pascal?

Let the _word_ (it's completely blank, can't remember it, don't want to wait 10 minutes to remember it) begin!

>>60467651
>https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/x2Lyr7
>intel
no, just fucking stop

heres a better build that isnt a waste of money

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/K2dq8K

>>60468055
looks good except for that led rgb meme

>>60466980
>1800x
only even consider that if you have no intention of ever overclocking, if you will overclock then the 1700 or 1700x are better for you

>>60468442
Noctua nh-d15 or d14
Not white though and may not fit with some builds.

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>>60467501
(you)

>>60468795
http://www.phanteks.com/PH-TC12DX.html

is this worth it?

>>60468442
buying a 1600 and not needing a FUCK HUEGG cooler would be the best option

>>60468824
not enough to cool a babby lake housefire

Is freesync worth at 1080p 60hz?

Anyone have any personal recommendations on cases that are decent as far as cable management and air flow go?

Been looking around and I really just want one that I don't have to play tetris in to get my components neat, but I don't really wanna go to a full tower unless I need to.

>>60468785
Or if you want that extra 100-150mhz.
It's not bad. It's just bad value

>>60468442
Maybe don't get a CPU that needs a $80+ 220w TDP cooler?

>>60468874
Most modern cases have those two points covered.

>>60468905

Fair point on the case thing. I suppose I'll just find one that I like and read around the reviews for a bit before I settle.

>>60468858
Well it's worth it since you can get a 40-75hz range one for around $105.
If any game is shittily optimized and drops down to 50fps, it helps there in addition to being 75hz instead of 60 which is 25% better and a lot smoother.

>4k is cheaper than 144hz 1440p
Da fug?

>>60466558
>>top fan blows in even more cool air right on the heatsinks and the radiator fan
thermodynamics 101 pls
hot goes up, cold goes down

Will G4560 be enough for modern games?

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where the fuck can I build something like this?

>>60462589
All the motherboard reviewers are full retards who think everyone is going to pay out the ass for x370 boards like they did, so there's virtually no decent reviews or tests of the b350 boards.

It's basically a crapshoot and hope for the best.

>>60466558
dude what

your top rear fan should be blowing out not in

Are there any good mATX motherboards for Ryzen yet, or should I wait a little more?

>>60462589
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGrxhf_xZWI

Basically, ASRock B350 pro4, or the B350M pro 4.
MSI B350 Carbon Gaming if you want "gaming" features, aka RBG features.

>>60469316
You don't want something like this

liquid cooling HATES 90 degree angles and look at how many that piece of shit has

That thing is a problem waiting to happen

>>60469269
Volume.
People just don't buy 1440p. 4K is what they're pushing to get people off 1080p.
You can really just get a 1440p monitor and render at 1620p on it if your PC can't handle 4K. But it's hard to find 4k over 60hz.

>>60469444
What's wrong with the current ones?

>>60469479
>What's wrong with the current ones?
I've just heard that they use a bad chipset, and that I should wait.

>>60469479
>But it's hard to find 4k over 60hz.

That's because none of the current interfaces can push that much data. The highest you're going to see right now until new specs come along is 4k at 120hz

>>60469490
whoever told you that is retarded if all they said is "bad chipset".

The only downside to B350 is that it might only support 4 SATA instead of 6. Most people don't have 6 storage drives.

>>60469479
I want at least 100hz though, I want to experience the smoothness...

An RX 580 can't handle 4k anyway, so I dunno...

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should i get a xeon x5650 for 30 dollaroos or a g4560 for 60?

>>60469536
DP 1.4 can do 120hz 4K 30bit (HDR10). 1.3 from over a year ago can do the same but just 24bit.

So.. no.

1070 and 1080 support DP 1.3 (maybe some non reference cards do 1.4?). Vega will certainly support 1.4

Should I buy an AMD xfx r7770 GPU for 30 USD?
I'm currently on i3 3210 with no gpu
Or should I save money and buy 1050ti
I'm poorfag btw

>>60469570
buy a 1050ti, it should be more future proof imo

>>60469570
G4560.
It has better single thread performance, and has much cheaper and accessible motherboards.
They're not the same socket.

>>60469621
Thanks dude

>>60469621
Meant for >>60469556

>>60469587
I feel my CPU will bottleneck it
But I'll consider it
>>60469621
I'm not talking about the cpu

>>60469641
Oh gotcha

>>60469567
>The highest you're going to see right now until new specs come along is 4k at 120hz

And you counter this with:
>DP 1.4 can do 120hz 4K 30bit (HDR10). 1.3 from over a year ago can do the same but just 24bit.

Are you functionally autistic?

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Post Your Dream Rigg

Crosshair Z, Open Case
Quad GTX 1080 SLI
2 SSD with drive mirroring
FX-8350 CPU / 32 GB 2400Hz DDR 3
2 5" Blue-Ray DVD/R/W
SD Card Reader/ USB Front Panel
5 HDD w/Raid 5 on External USB 3.0

>>60469768
Just slam all high performance stuff into a super ventilated case, that runs super quiet, and extremely good dust filters... Not very interesting.

>>60469556
>g4560 for 60

>>60469828
Then tell me where to get one at a cheaper price
[spoiler]plz[/spoiler]

>>60469817
its great for crypto

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>saw a zotac 1070 on amazon for 329 last night
>very interested, wanted to go cheap and get a 580 when prices are low enough but this might be worth the gap jump
>still hesitant to spend over 250 so sleep on it
>even dream of buying the fucking thing

>wake up, check
>it's back to 377
>mfw
How bad did I fuck up? [spoiler]If it was a misprice, would they have still honored my order had I purchased it when it was low?[/spoiler]

>>60458673
I put my build together and started bios for the first time. It says my CPU is idling at 50c and mobo at 34. Is it just too hot in my room?

>>60469932
might want to give us a bit more info.

>>60469768
2x 16c EPYC
4TB of DDR4-2400 ECC RAM
6x 2TB Samsung 960 PRO
16x 4TB Samsung 850 PROs (4x RAID-10 arrays)
4-port SPF+ 10Gb NIC
2x AMD Firepro S7150x2
4-port SAS-3 HBA card (probably an HBA 9400-16I so I can plug in 4 of those Samsung 960 PROs in a U.2-to-M.2 physical adapter)
1600W 80+ Platinum or Gold PSU

Custom waterblocks for CPU, power regs, memory banks, chipset, NIC, and PCIe SSDs in a modded 4U chassis. Externally-mounted 30+mm thick radiators, either 360mm or 420mm long with 6 ekwb fans mounted on long bolts, a 20mm fan shroud, and 3mm of silicone gaskets on either side of the fan shrouds.

>>60469556
Single core perf of the x5650 is way too bad.
Not to mention it's an old 32nm.
The G4560 is really quite a strong little processor.

>>60469570
If you're that poor, you should probably just save up $300 and wait for Raven Ridge. That'll get you an iGPU almost as good as the 1050ti and a much much better CPU along with it.

>>60469647
Yep. It might even bottleneck an RX550 or GTX 1030. (basically GTX 285 perf). That CPU is baad. Way worse than a G4560.

>>60469695
I'm not sure what you misread.

>>60469917
Na. It's only barely worth at $330.

>>60470006
Ryzen 5 1600 stock cooler and paste. Asus x370 mobo
Msi rx580 gpu
2 case fans in a tasseract case

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is the bitfenix nova any good?
what monitor should i get if i'm on a budget of 150?is the 110 benq any good?

just did some rearranging of cables and general tidy up in my case, had zero issues before

now both of my monitors are flickering ever so slightly

>>60470252
could be a bad fan configuration, or your room is hot as shit.

ambient temp of ur room?

>>60470135
you're an idiot

>>60470252
Im having this same issue with 1600X

I am idle at 40-50c

I do not have a poor fan config, i will apply different thermal paste.

>>60469556
I'll legit send you my x5670 for 40 bux

>>60470710
no thanks i'll follow the other anon's advice and take the g4560

Is G4560 enough for new games?

>>60470784
yes

>>60470350
help pls

>>60470525
It was at 78F, but I turned on the ac, room is now 73F

How do Nehalem and Piledriver compare in terms of IPC?

>>60470546
you're an idiot

>>60470784
With 30fps dips, yeah.

>>60470606
40C isn't bad at all if ambient is 24C and your fan speed is down real low.
Maybe slightly high.

My 1600X is in the low 40s with two twitch streams decoding off it along with a game that doesn't take many resources. So about 15% CPU.
It's probably not going to be lower with all cores clocked to 3.7GHz unless you turn up your fan curves.

Thoughts on this build?
My friend is looking to get it. The price point is right, and he's not very comfortable building his own PC by hand.

https://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Gamer-Infinity-XLC

>>60459413
>risk
>downloading Windows

Just get it from the official Microsoft site...
https://www.microsoft.com/software-download/windows10

I have a pretty important question

My friend's hard drives wouldn't be read when he built his new PC, and when he put his old PC back together with all his old parts, his drives still wouldn't be read

So now his drives just don't work. I'm just guessing, but when he first built his new PC, he used the power supply cables from his old power supply, not his new one. Could that have shorted the drives?

Can using power supply cables from a 650w PSU for a 850w PSU wreck the drives?

Best budget case?

>>60462281
>Too scarred of dead pixels
Just return it if you got dead pixels.

I'm worse than you. I got a complete new build at home and can't build it because I'm missing a fucking Cryorig H7 AM4 upgrade kit. They say it's stuck in German customs.

So I got a 1600 for $160 (or 188 if i get jewed out of the cashback), and it looks like the Gaming 3s are finally back in stock, which I want because of DualBIOS + 6 SATAs. So I was planning on getting that, however I see the top VRM has no heatsink. Anyone have experience OCing the 1600 with this board, and what kind of temps do those VRMs reach? I've read VRMs are generally max temped at 120~125c, and I've seen people recommending keeping them under 80, 90, or 100c while under load. I'm planning on just using the stock cooler, and wouldn't expect to get more than 3.7Ghz, and would be okay with a 3.5 OC even.

>>60471359
Did he use 2 power supplies at the same time? If so, then he probably caused damage.

>>60471383
S340 or Define Mini C

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>>60458673
>1050Ti/RX560 at ~$105
1050Ti is more powerful fanboi

>RX570 4GB - 1080p@60+hz, running most maxed; older games at 144+hz
>RX580 8GB - 1440p@60+hz, inject SMAA & drop settings for some games
You can't claim that a 15% more powerful card can run 1440p as good as a 15% less powerful card runs 1080p, retard

There are [(1440 x 2560) - (1080 x 1920)] / (1080 x 1920) = 77% more pixels in 1440p

>>60458851
I honestly wouldn't as you already have enough to play most triple A games on Ultra settings 1080p or maybe high

Can i get by these days with 8gb ram or should i jump to 16gb for my build?