/pcbg/ - PC Building General

>>60450349

>>60450349
No? That's pretty normal with anything.
Though you could always plastidip a shroud or something to get it to match instead of trying to buy parts that are matching colors.

You might be slightly gay, but it's [current year], so that's okay.

>>60450349
Scratch that, I did find the RAM I was looking for. I still look pretty gay tho

>>60450372
You're a faggot yes, and contribute to why parts are getting sillier and sillier names and more and more ridiculous 1337H4XX0R aesthetics.

Is the HD 7450 1gb a good buy at under $20? Looking to add a second monitor to my old pc, I'm not much of a gaymer.

I recently got a new case the Rajintek Thetis, it only has 4 mounts for 120mm fans 2 on the top one on the back and one on the bottom. Any ideas for the optimal fan placement?

>>60450339
Build for gaming, animu and gaming 1080p. Not sure if i should throw abit more money after a fully modular PSU to get a cleaner build.
EU fag so prices dont fit. Already got the Graphics card and SSD https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

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AM4 upgrade kit for my cooler still hasn't arrived.

>>60450516
Rijintek has retarded internal design.

Either put 2 intake at the top,and put an exhaust at the rear.
Or flip the internals of the case, put bottom as intake, and top or rear as exhaust.

Friendly reminder that adaptive sync is a meme desu (and so is G-sync)

You can use ANY monitor you want no matter your GPU.

On 144Hz monitors, screen tearing is barely noticeable and input lag (supposedly caused by V-sync) is a non-issue.

So I was recommended the ASRock AB350 Pro4 by a friend a short while ago. While looking over the memory QVL I noticed that every kit seemed to be 16 or 32gb. Would it be possible to use the CORSAIR Vengeance LPX 8GB kit with the board without running into any significant issues?

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What if I buy this:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Z620-Daytrader-PC-2-60GHz-8-Core-E5-2670-8GB-RAM-500GB-HDD-/182515744116?hash=item2a7ec93d74:g:Bi8AAOSwZKBZGg3R

And this:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ASUS-Geforce-GTX-1060-6GB-GDDR5-Turbo-Edition-VR-TURBO-GTX1060-6G-/272670778684?hash=item3f7c71e53c:g:qkIAAOSwtGlZF~iy

And put them together? How would you rate the resulting PC in terms of performance/price ratio?

What's the best 1440p? Preferably with good color gamut?
I don't need Free/Gsync gimmick, just need to play games under it's native resolution without being too muddy

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can someone do better for a similar price?

>>60450903
Are Team - Dark even compatible with Ryzen?

>>60450802
Should be okay though you might need a new PSU as well.
And those are really weak cores.

>>60450903
>can someone do better for a similar price?
Not really. That's a solid build.

>>60450952
It might downclock, and you might have to manually OC it to get 2666, 2800, or 2933, but it'll work.

>>60450903
Why the sata M2 drive? Why not just use a 2.5" and save the M2 slot for some future purpose?

>>60450802
Not really sure if graphics card would fit, and I'm not sure if you could go that high on grahpics card without being too bottlenecked on the CPU.

That CPU is not a single thread performer, it's server CPU, which is more designed around multi-core workloads.

>>60450682
Thank you anon for your swift reply.

>>60451027
That board has 2 M.2 slots iirc. Though just one is full speed NVMe.

What 1080TI should I get?

>>60451143
Yeah, that makes sense then.

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On pcpartpicker I am going to buy a 1600X (which apparently doesn't come with its own cooler) and every god damned motherboard and cooler combination says their might be incompatibilities and I might need some sort of adapter shit to put on the motherboard. As far as I can tell all the builds on there are with the 1700(which has a cooler) the few 1600X never mention needing any adapter for their boards. Will a fucking 212 EVO or CRYORIG H7 or Corsair H60? Will they fit or is this some fucking riddle? How do I determine this?

>>60451462
You have to contact the cooler manufacturer for the kit.

>>60451462
>>60451499
There are a few that come with a kit.
Noctua's which end in -AM4, and Thermaltake Le Grande Macho. Maybe there are others.

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>>60451499
>>60451613
That makes it much simpler to buy one with the kit included. It seems Nocuta is a popular choice anyway. I'll go with that to retard proof it. Thank you for the help.

>>60451462
>>60451613
Got a Coolermaster hyper tx3 and came with the kit, as well.

>>60450903
spend $8 more and get 3200 RAM from a brand that's likely to actually hit that speed

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820158079

Recover the difference by switching to a 2.5" SSD instead of m.2

What's your case anon? Do you like it?

>>60450698
Hey monitorfriend what's a good 24" 1080p monitor with blur-reducing technologies? I have been using a budget 144hz monitor but it doesn't have any blur reduction features and at the moment I could afford an upgrade.

any B350 motherboards confirmed working with DDR4 3200?

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>look up price of 1080 Ti
>$1000

Can I plastidip an SSD or would it overheat?

>>60452275
just dip it in a bucket of paint, make sure it doesn't get into the contacts, what's the worst that could happen?

>>60450506
bump

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/dk4nhq

good mobo if i don't want any (GAMING)TM features and leds?

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>>60452081
Yeup.
Flipping the internals, for intake at bottom, exhaust through at the back through the CPU cooler.

Still waiting for an ASRock motherboard though...
>Build will be
>Case: Raijintek Metis
>Mobo: AM4 mITX ASRock
>CPU: r5-1600
>Cooler: Be Quiet! Shadow Rock 2
>RAM: 2x8gb Ballistix sport LT 2400mhz
>GPU: RX 580 Sapphire Nitro+ / Aorus XTR / Red Devil - Unsure, preferably Aorus XTR, but unsure if it'll fit
>PSU: Corsair SF450
>Fans: 2x Silentwings 3 120mm - Mounting on a cutout to be made on bottom of the case, replacing the fanshroud on GPU

2x 3.5" hdds, and a desk lamp, for size.

>>60452331
>good mobo if i don't want any (GAMING)TM features and leds

you spent an extra $100 to virtue signal how much you hate gamers and rice

>>60452382
Oh, also
>SSD: MX300 525gb 2.5"
>HDD: 2tb seagate 2.5"

>>60452384
please elaborate where i could save 100 bucks on
I just don't see the difference between this mobo and a $350 one apart from the price

Has anyone got the Raijintek Aenas and replaced the led strips? I like the internals and theoverall look but those LEDS are the wrong color for my rice.

>>60452275
enamel paint would be better.

>>60450541
my man you have to get the share link. we can't see your cookies

Helping a friend put together a computer for about $800. Prices are rather inflated in boland tho.
Coming from xbox360 and using it for professional writing means not much focus on nor expections regarding performance.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/37j2Gf
Is there anything objectively wrong or that could be improved?
I suggested a cm450 but it's almost twice as expensive and the case will likely be something more "fun" than the define c mini.

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Reminder its cheaper and better to buy a prebuilt

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>Buying entirely new pc build
>want to connect 3 DELL U2515H and a TV to it like this plan I've made

What GPU/s would you recommend for this? I don't game so I don't want to go overkill on it, but at the same time I'd like to be able to run all the monitors/tv at the same time smoothly.

I won't be doing much graphically-intensive. The most graphically intensive thing I can see myself doing is watching and possibly editing videos.

I haven't decided on what TV to get but it will probably be something basic, not 4k.

I'll be using GNU+Linux and ideally with the free drivers.

>>60452759
400w isn't enough though, it'll turn off during spikes.

>>60452849
400w actually is enough. That system won't pull over like 300-350.

>>60452759
DDR4 2400 and only a single DIMM. Unless it's dual rank, that's a 25% performance hit right there.
And only a 64GB SSD.

So no, that's not cheap. You could make a better build for about $850-$950.
These prebuilts also have a worse cooler than the Wraith Spire, as well, as they're made from tray CPUs they get for 200bux or something.

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>>60452849
its 1000w see all the free upgrades

>>60452826
I think an RX550 is the lowest end GPU you can get to handle 4-6 monitors. If I'm not mistaken, the 1030 only does 3.

>>60452942
and 1000W is way too fucking much, they're "upgrading" you to a chinkshit PSU

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>>60450997
>And those are really weak cores.
what

>>60452692
Skip the 212 evo, and get a 1500X instead.
I'd be more comfortable with ASRock B350 pro4, I'm not entierly sure if it's completely objective, but I do believe the ASRock board is better on paper. The dual bios from gigabyte is a nice perk though, so whichever I guess.

I believe Ballistix Sport LT is better RAM, due to being "Dual Rank/Double Sided", get one in 2400mhz. You really want to add another 2400mhz stick though... If that's never going to happen, get 2x4gb sticks, but I would really suggest to get 2x8gb in the end.

RX 570 is better value than GTX 1050 ti.
Drop the SSD in order to save some money, and get the better graphics card instead.

That HDD is enterprise I believe, which means it'll be much louder than a regular HDD. Make sure you buy a HDD that's intended for desktop use. Since you'll not be using a SSD, make sure it's 7200rpm.

I reiterate you are all faggots who couldn't build your way out of a wet paper bag.

Thread is embarrassing for the rest /g/ tb.h

>>60452993
2012 CPU clocked at 2.5GHz

>>60452931
There's always powerspikes. For example, the old AMD CPUs would run at 200w, but during spikes they could consume up to 300w.
During those spikes your PSU may be overloaded, leading to a crash.

If both the GPU and the CPU has a spike at the same time, your system would crash.

>>60453037
There he is

>>60453060
seconding this
there's a reason everyone has a loooot of room in their PSU wattage and it's specifically because of spikes
don't cheap out on the PSU, it's the worst thing to do

>>60452692
>>60453027
If it's an actual work computer, only for writing... Then you may get gtx 1050, or RX 560 4gb, whichever is cheapest.


Actually, you may as well make a G4560 build, using it's internal graphics, if it's intents are solely work.

Question. I'm thinking of finally upgrading my computer. I'm leaning towards the 7700k because the Asus Z270E mobo has built in wifi. Is built in wifi any good or should I just get a 1700? Also what mobo would be the best for the 1700 in the $200 range.

>>60452972

Thanks - that's much lower spec than I thought I needed, that'll save me a lot.

>>60453155
If you're considering both the 7700k and the R7 1700 it usually means both aren't fit for you, because they offer very opposite performances so they're not fit for the same kind of workloads at all
What do you do with your computer? Just gaming? Some multitasking? What softwares?

Got my Ryzen 1600, Asrock AB350 Pro4, G.Skill F4-3200C16D-16GVGB ram.

Any idea how to get the ram to work at 3200MHz?
I can't seem to get it above 2400MHz.

>https://tulsa.craigslist.org/sys/6126357069.html

Does /pcbg/ enjoy laughing at local, online listings?

>>60453158
You will also need a splitter since most of them only have 3 outputs. I don't know which exactly. You'll have to double check.
Unless you can find one with 4 outputs, then you're fine.

I think Raven Ridge are supposed to also suppose at least 4, maybe up to 6, monitors. Though most motherboards currently only have 3 outputs.

>>60453206
Updated the bios to latest?
Updated the bios to second latest (this one is better for RAM OC)?

>>60453194
I have a 4k monitor so there's that. And I game and do some video encoding/editing. Also I heard the R5 and R7 will be more relevant in the coming years since games are starting to take advantage of more cores, which is why I considered the 1700.

Are 144hz, 120hz monitors any good if im gonna play games at 60 to 90 fps?

>>60453227
i didn't come here to feel anon, i feel bad for the guy for selling his pc

>>60453288
If you're playing at 1080p you might as well just overclock your monitor.

>>60453206
Did you try overclocking the RAM manually and reading a guide on how to? You should at least be able to hit 2666 or 2800 even if timings are loose.

>>60453288
Not if it's not freesync or gsync, no.
You can lock the framerate to 1/2 the refresh rate. so 72fps on 144hz. It would be the same as having a 72hz monitor.
I guess at 108fps would work too. Anything that's an even multiple that will keep the frames lined up.

Anyone got that power consumption chart with 1800X and 6900k/6960x?

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>>60453245
>i do video encoding/editing
R7 1700 it is then
Much faster at is, much much room for programs open while doing so. When jumping around in a file (as in going at some point in the video then at some much later point then coming back etc) while video-editing, it's also much better to have more cores, helps the loading speed a whole lot

> since games are starting to take advantage of more core
That's also a pretty good reason, considering the 7700k gets 70 - 80% usage in current game whereas the R5 1600 gets 50 ~ 60% and the R7 1700 30 - 40%

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>>60453454
I don't have the one you mentionned with the 6960x but i do have one with the 6900k

>>60453498
Is there an AM4 mobo that everyone agrees is good?

>>60453524
Asrock Taichi is the current king of the hill.

>>60453524
There isn't a "Go to" mobo, it depends on budget and needs. Don't spend $70 more for things you won't use.

>>60453524
Pro4 and mATX prime are often recommended.
Gigabyte has nice BIOS and Dual BIOS on their gaming 3, and whole lineup pretty much, but their VRMs are ass on the cheaper ones.

I have the pro4 and I like it. Sensors picked up fine on Linux, which people seem to have a problem with on Gigabyte and MSI boards.

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Hello guys, I'm building the gaming PC for my nephew.

Specs so far:
- AMD A8-7600 CPU (APU)
- 16 GB 1600 DDR3 RAM
- Shitty Cooler Master B2 500W PSU
- Radeon 7850 2GB GPU
- 128 GB SSD and probably a 3 TB HDD, perhaps a 2TB.
- A case I don't like so probably a Cooler Master. Either HAF 912 or another one.

My question is:

Is the EVGA GeForce GTX 950 2GB FTW worth a $138 investment? That GPU is currently on a "inventory cleaning sale" (=they will no longer be selling it because it's older and it's therefore slightly cheaper). I realize the GTX 950 isn't the worlds fastest GPU but it should be faster than the 7850 at a lower wattage. A big minus that makes me wonder if it's worth the trouble is that 2GB of RAM, 2GB isn't much.

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>ASRock AB350M-HDV

How decent of a ryzen motherboard is this from a gaming/video editing et al point of view? The price is really tempting on this one imo

>>60453769
>>60453769
Also does it have decent onboard sound for listening to shit if you're somewhat of an audiophile

>>60453769
No heatsink, so it's bad, you may run into issues if you try to overclock.

Get the b350 pro4

>>60453768
What price is this going to be overall?
>Is the EVGA GeForce GTX 950 2GB FTW worth a $138 investment?
No, you could get a GTX 1050 for less than that, and it outperforms it quite noticeably

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Want to upgrade my GPU to match the processing power a bit, recommendations?

>>60453868
>to match the processing power
so you mean spending money on a GPU that you don't need?

>>60453893
You think my GPU will support higher graphic games? People have been telling me its a bit lacking compared to my CPU and my build is lopsided

>>60453858
Overall price of this system so far is
> not re-selling the parts but giving it to my nephew
and perhaps $112 for a 3TB HDD if I don't instead buy 4 3TB's and replace a 2TB 4 drive array and give him a 2TB or two or four.

I can't get a 1050 2GB for less than that, it's
this GTX 950 at $137 or
GTX 1050 at $153
which isn't that much of a difference if I'm going to buy a GPU.

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hi /pcbg/ just a question.

is a soundcard the same as an external DAC/AMP?

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>>60453769
It's okay for a 4 core without iGPU. Ryzen are so low power. For a 6 or 8, you should at least get a board that has VRM heatsinks.

>>60453811
$30 DAC solves that problem.

>>60453768
>GTX 950
Not even worth $30, dude.

>>60453868
Just get a better model RX580 like the Red Devil GS or GTR-S.
It's like 15% more cost for 10% better, but meh, worth it. Especially worth it for the lower noise.

>>60453907
Uhh. It'll do 1440p 60fps+ fine for like 99.95% of games. Any game if you just turn settings down to high or very-high instead of max settings that don't even look any different.
But if this is for gaming, since you seem so concerned, you should really just get the 1600 and overclock it.

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Does anybody have the asrock z270M Pro4? I took this picture from the manual and it looks like a graphics card in PCIE1 would obscure sata ports 2 and 3.

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>>60453981
Sorry for the spoonfeeding but which one of these would be a good pick?

>>60453907
>>60453868
1080 ti, basically... A CPU is generally never going to be bottlenecking, you can keep it for years while only upgrading the graphics card.

>>60453974
Yes. Well, kind of. A soundcard is a card that goes into your box and we usually call the DAC/AMP on your motherboard a soundcard that too.

A DAC/AMP is an external box you connect with USB that your computer sees as a soundcard too. The difference is mostly that this box is away from interference from your computer and you can put it on your desk and connect to it.

The only problematic issue with motherboard audio is that you usually have a wire going from the motherboard to the front of your case which acts as an antenna. Connecting to the back of the motherboard doesn't have this problem and that gives you the same audio quality as an external meme DAC/AMP box. But.. then you have to go to the back of your case every time you want to connect your headphones.

If you want real good audio then you may want to buy a good traditional amplifier / receiver and these are all connected with HDMI these days which uses 5.1 or 7.1 PCM digital transport and the DAC in a $1000 receiver is better than a $30 one and they all have headphone jacks too. The downside to the solution I use (a Pioneer surround receiver) is that I have to have that thing powered on to use the headphone jack on it.

These days there's really no point in having a "sound card" in your PC. All you really want is some way to send digital audio from your computer and either an external DAC/AMP or a good stereo or surround receiver. That would be HDMI for a new receiver or SPDIF for any older one.

>>60453912
>which isn't that much of a difference if I'm going to buy a GPU.
Well the difference is there though dependent on the games. For $16 more i'd definitely jump on it, but it's up to you.

>>60453974
No. Soundcards have integrated DAC and at times AMP in them. DAC to converts digital (bits, 0 and 1) into analog (vinyle, cassette, radio). Your headphone / speakers can't read digital, only analog, so a DAC must always be there.

The reason external DAC / AMPs are often recommended is because soundcards, since they tend to be inside the computer, tend to pick interferences from other parts of the computer, adding unwanted noises to the audio you're listening to.

>>60453907
Yes, the RX 580 is a great 1080p card and even decent at 1440p.
Unless you're gonna get a high refresh rate monitor or high resolution one, there's no need to change it.
But change that PSU, 430 is cutting it too short for your build.

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>>60453043
It can turbo up to 3.3ghz, and will go a bit higher than that due to the HP workstations having a feature called Intel Enhanced Turbo Boost. This processor is well regarded in the field of gaming (which is the only area the single thread performance will matter these days for 99% of people). There are a variety of videos on youtube showcasing the performance of the e5-2670 v1 (and other Xeons) that show it easily hitting 60 fps in AAA games and often going far beyond it (Doom in particular runs extremely well due to great multi-threading support).

>>60453974
DAC/amp are better shielded. The inside of your PC is very noisy and a $200 sound card is generally worse than a $30 DAC due to this.

>>60454060
Those are.. all Gigabyte cards. I gave you two options already.

Will a 1600 OC 3.9/4.0ghz draw as much power as a 1700 OC 3.9/4.0ghz?
Or what kind of power draw difference would I see?

Based on >>60453507
If a 1600 draws as much as it's r7 variants, I'm getting a bit worried 450W won't be enough got 1600 and RX 580.

There's really no other option to Corsair SF450, the SF600 is way nosier, and you actually need to mod it because the fan doesn't really fit completely (or something like that).

>>60454124
Is getting 8GB memory worth it?

>>60454166
-For the 580 vs the 4GB card

>>60454166
Yes, 4gb is already too little in some games.

>>60452759
It's cheaper. Not better.

>>60454188
Irrelevant. AMD GPUs don't shit themselves just from being a little VRAM starved like Keplar and Maxwell cards did.

>>60454159
>Will a 1600 OC 3.9/4.0ghz draw as much power as a 1700 OC 3.9/4.0ghz?
No, it won't.
>If a 1600 draws as much as it's r7 variants, I'm getting a bit worried
It draws as much under load because of higher clocks, the R7 1700 is not that high clocked (3.0 base with 3.7 boost)

But if you're gonna overclock, don't stay on 450w at all.

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>>60453981
>>60454124
Thanks. I'll consider the 1050, then. Luckily I don't need to jump on it, though. The 950 is on sale, the 1050 isn't so I've got some time to think about it.

I guess the obvious question becomes, is the GTX 1050 really worth $153 over the Radeon 7850?

On a less interesting side-node, my stack of Radeon 7850's by pure luck ("timing", but honestly it was just luck) paid for themselves through 2 months of Dogecoin mining. After 5 months they no longer broke even on the power cost.

>>60454166
I absolutely think that 8GB is totally worth it if you're going to buy the RX 580. If you're going to pay that much for a graphics card then that extra 4 GB of RAM isn't that much of an extra investment. It let's you play a bit more games right now and it will make sure you don't run into any RAM limitation in the future. I went with the 8GB when I got my RX470 (which is, quite frankly, still a better choice than 480/570/580 if power usage and noise is important).

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thoughts on this mobo and kit?

>>60454211
It's not... If games hit 4gb vram now... What do you think is gonna happen next year?
Especially if you're gonna do 1440p gaming, which if you're gonna buy a new monitor, is something you should get... Otherwise you'll be in the situation where you're stuck with 720p monitor during the 1080p era.

>>60454166
It depends on your use case.
If you intend to keep the card around for 4+ years, then yes. But worth noting that by the time you are swapping out to system memory on 4GB, the RX580 core has very likely begun to struggle with the game itself, outside of having to swap memory. For example, the RX560's 4GB isn't going to help it much, realistically.
You won't choke on memory with 8GB, but that doesn't mean you'll hit 60 FPS.

>>60454217
>No, it won't.
>It draws as much under load because of higher clocks, the R7 1700 is not that high clocked (3.0 base with 3.7 boost)

These answers conflict with each other.
r7 and r5 OC to the same ghz, and they need the same voltage.

>>60454244
>>60454273
I meant the 4gb card vs the 8gb card not my RAM.

B350 tomahawk has a shit io shield, when putting it together it pissed me off.

>>60454314
You didn't understand what I wrote.
Guess what happens to everything in VRAM once it fills? Guess where the excess data goes?
It gets swapped out in system memory.

>>60454273
>But worth noting that by the time you are swapping out to system memory on 4GB, the RX580 core has very likely begun to struggle with the game itself, outside of having to swap memory. For example, the RX560's 4GB isn't going to help it much, realistically.
This is exactly what people said about GTX 960 2gb, and GTX 1060 3gb.

The reality is, both cards are heavily limited by not having enough vram.

>>60454244
>is the GTX 1050 really worth $153 over the Radeon 7850?
Not really, it'll be a 5% increase at best. The 7850/r9 270 (same thing) is barely any different than the GTX 950, and the GTX 1050 is at best 10% fps increase (which is low, thats the difference between 30 and 33fps) and on general around 3 - 5%

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I'm probably going for the reasonable build option in this image

anyone have suggestions for different parts than what I've already picked out?

No GPU until vega

>>60454347
>The reality is, both cards are heavily limited by not having enough vram.
It depends on your use case.
Gaming at 1440p, with every quasi-useless bell and whistle maxed out (16x AA for the shits), and it will die. Game with moderate AA at 1080, the difference will be minimal.
My assumption is that if someone is buying an RX 580 or that class of hardware, they aren't gaming at 1440p, or expecting to max out every conceivable option on the latest game. And if they are, the extra 4GB won't save them from their expectations.

>>60454254
you are fucking retarded.
If you don't understand what I said, why bother replying with some dumb shit that just shows you didn't understand what I said?

>>60454244
What the fucking shit. Are these kangaroo prices? You can get an RX460 for $85.

>>60454420
You need to gimp games like pubg to get below 2gb, naturally it'll run at 3.3gb vram.
If you crank up the settings, at 1080p, it's 4.5gb vram.

In a couple of years, games will require more vram, even if you lower settings enough for the card to run. I would absolutely not suggest somebody to buy a 4gb version of RX 580, over the 8gb verison.
The savings are not going to be savings, it'll end up forcing the user to buy a new card.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/j2xHZ8

What is the difference between Asrock Taichi and Pro4? I'm thinking I could save some money on the mobo

>>60454448
You just don't know what you're talking about.

Every single case of "lower vram" versions of cards have been bottlenecked by their vram, this is just not going to change.
People would say "3.5gb is enough for the gtx 970". Now it's quite evident that 3.5gb was not enough, and it's being bottlenecked by it's lack of vram.

>>60454488
Taichi has more phases, which may help in overclocking, if you're going with 8 core CPU, or if you want the 16 core CPU (which apparently is marketed towards pc users? "threadripper").
You'll be fine with the pro4 though, I think.

why is everyone itt buying garbage low end cards designed for League of Legends and Minecraft?

>>60454566
>or if you want the 16 core CPU (which apparently is marketed towards pc users? "threadripper").
That's not on AM4

>>60454595
Maybe they're playing League of Legends and Minecraft.

>>60454601
Afaik "epyc" and "threadripper" aren't the same line, where "threadripper" is ryzen? Honestly, AMDs marketing is pretty confusing on ryzen and "epyc"

>>60454399
Are you sure that CPU has an integrated GPU (fine if you're not going to actually boot until Vega).

>>60454485
>If you crank up the settings, at 1080p, it's 4.5gb vram
I don't know that game in and out, so I can't be certain. But it's worth noting that many games will request VRAM on standby from the card "just in case", and will list it as being "in use" by a program like Afterburner, even though it's not actually being used. If you put a 4GB card in that situation it's going to play essentially the same as one with 8GB. Looking at resource allocation isn't enough; you need to find the actual stuttering. Maybe there is, maybe there isn't, I don't know.

>it'll end up forcing the user to buy a new card
As mentioned, if the user intends to upgrade in the next 4 years (or 3, it's not really important), the extra value from the 4GB just isn't there.
But if he intends to stick with it? I'd agree, for sure, spring for the extra VRAM. But it's not a cure-all, is what I stressed.

>>60454595
Minecraft is CPU-intensive.

>>60454659
>As mentioned, if the user intends to upgrade in the next 4 years (or 3, it's not really important), the extra value from the 4GB just isn't there.
4gb isn't going to be enough in 2 years... In a couple of years, I expect 1440p to be closer to 20% of users.

Is this your first "rodeo"?

>>60454639
What I mean is, I'm not actually buying anything until I can get a vega card with it.

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>>60454635
Threadripper is aimed at HEDT, those that wants lots of PCIe lanes and all the plus that comes with it. It wouldn't make sense for it to be on AM4 at all.
Based on the same rumors that had successfully predicted a 16c 32t CPU named Threadripper, the line name should be Whitehaven

>>60454595
RX 580 isn't designed for those games though?

Most multiplayer games have much lower requirements. The 1070+ is mostly for people who play actual single player games.

>>60454712
Oh, my bad. Sounds good then!

Is this compatible with any of the headers on a motherboard?

https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10197

Will the MSI B350M Mortar do 3200MHz RAM successfully right now?

>>60454820
completely unsure.

>>60454448
>What the fucking shit.
Yes.

> Are these kangaroo prices?
Yes.

> You can get an RX460 for $85.
Local currency price converted to USD is 175.77 for the cheapest RX 460 4GB.

>>60453060
Plus, most power efficency curves top out around 50-60%. The efficency sweetspot is going to be about double that.

>>60454314
I meant your GPUs VRAM too.

Buy the 8GB RAM version, not the 4GB version.

As for system RAM, that's another issue entirely because you can just swap that at a later date. In contrast you're stick with the VRAM on your GPU. Grab the 8GB variant.

>>60454886
It's really not that much wasted heat though, at least not if you're at gold or better.

>>60454820
check this list my dude
https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B350M-MORTAR.html#support-mem

Since AMD GPUs are being discussed, I've had a few questions. Originally I was intending to use the 7700k's onboard graphics until I could afford a 1080ti and suitable monitor. Seeing as how the latter are still pretty expensive and I started thinking I'll need some kind of intermediate GPU after all until then, which one would be recommended to go for? 480/last generation Geforce or 1050ti/RX560? RX580 4GB model seems to be priced similarly to a 570 as well, should I consider that one and is it worth paying a hundred more for a 8GB model? In the latter case I imagine I could delay getting a 1080ti for a bite more since I'd have a very decent card (paying a bit more wouldn't be a huge issue since I could reuse it in another build). Or is the 4GB increase insignificant? Sorry for so many possibly dumb questions, I've not used a desktop in years and I'm rather confused.

>>60455058
For 1080p, a decent model RX570 4GB is really all you need. No point in spending more for an 8GB RX580.

1050Ti is fine if you can find one on sale close to $100. Not worth paying more, because then you start getting into RX570 territory and the value makes no sense to the 1050Ti then.

>>60452759
>standard
> standard
> standard
> standard

>>60454635
I think neither EPYC nor threadripper are AM4. They just share the zen cores with ryzen.

>>60454957
Perfect, thanks a ton

>>60455080
I don't think you understand how fucked GPU prices are right now. Some of the 8GB 580 OCs are LESS than 4GB 570s

fucking ethereum fags and soft launches

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Get one of these for your new build, anon.

>>60455080
Thank you, this sounds good to me. Do you know which company makes the better RX570s? Oh, and is there anything wrong with the 4GB RX580? I'm just confused why it costs the same locally.

>>60455058
Just what is it you do with your computer that requires a 7700k but is fine with iGPU?

>>60455264
Hah! Cool idea, but if you're turning your pc on and of often enough to need a remote, you're doing it very wrong

>>60455276
I was buying a high-end system, but ran out of budget for a GPU so I decided to have a working system without a GPU for a bit. Currently I shitpost on 4chan and do very light gaming and old console emulation.

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>>60455305
I had a cat problem, and needed a solution

>>60455264
I'm new to /g/. What is this? A PCI card for a remote?

>>60455404
pci remote power/reset switch, about $18 on amazon

>>60455392
Hahaha. Mine chews cords...

>>60455392
See, this is why I prefer dogs. Cats are pure concentrated evil.

>>60455392
your cat just wants attention man

>>60454254
>where you're stuck with 720p monitor during the 1080p era.
I was still using 1280x1024 monitor like a year ago, sadly it died.

>>60455511
Used to be his favorite sleeping spot, but with the new build, he refuses to sleep on it anymore

>>60455562
then make him a new warm spot to sleep

>>60454244
the 1050 is shit, the rx 570/470 is the cheapest gpu you should consider

>>60455458
cats are only as bad as the person they're living with

dogs are good to you no matter how you mistreat them, cats dish it back

>>60450502
Excuse us for not wanting a huge box taking up space. I want it to look nice if it's going to be in a spot permanently.

>>60454566
When I look at the supported ram for the Pro4 it doesn't say it supports 3200 should I go for something lower?

>>60450575
I knew that feel until last week. Stay strong, anon.

>>60455652
AMD's next microcode update is around the corner (within 1 month, probably within 1-2 weeks) and it's the big one for RAM compatibility. Every board should be able to do 3200 - 3600 and maybe even 4000mhz after that update, but I wouldn't buy anything until then if RAM were something I was being a stickler about.

currently i have
>i3-3220
>r9 280

thinking about doing this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pjshLD

pls help me pick a case/mobo

if possible i think i want to do microatx, i'm in college so space is kind of an issue. also i have that psu, is it worth it to pick up a new one?

I want a WHITE POWER supply, but the only one coming up in searches, the NZXT Hale, is either not in stock or over $100 for a 550-650W; Which, I mean, no

Otherwise, https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qB7R9W

1500X for higher single-core power over 1600 and more cooler overhead, 570 Strix because I don't play anything that allows me to justify a 580 to myself. Similar balance to my current i5-4670/GTX 760 build but 65-70% higher passmark scores

>>60455762
not him, but i had no idea about this thanks
was about to buy new ram because of bad performance

>>60455812
1500X doesn't have any stronger single core power, they're all the same.

>>60455983
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=3001&cmp[]=2984

42 tests show a 3% average difference in single core performance, probably due to the higher base clock. It'll theoretically overclock better on the same cooler, too.

>>60455797
>pls help me pick a case/mobo
The cheapest ones you can find.
You'll never fill your mobo slots, and the case is just a hunk of metal holding your system.

I'm going to build a NAS /g/
Going to put 8TB in raid1 for a start.
My question is would it be better in any way to use smaller drives? I.e. 8 2TB ones rather than 4 4TB ones.

>>60456130
Those are not overcocked, so of course it's going to perform better... But if you're not going to overclock, then 1600X would have even better single thread performance.

>>60455631
Like I said. Cats are evil. Dogs are 4 legged balls of furry love.

is amd a bad choice for gaming?

people say it has bad optimization, i'm not exactly sure what they mean. would it be decent to get a 1600x and an nvidia gpu? or should i just do intel

>>60455797
>also i have that psu, is it worth it to pick up a new one?
if it's been 4+ years since you have it it's definitely wiser

>>60456435
dogs are dumb as fuck and literal niggers

>>60450339
Does Intel i5-7600k come with thermal paste or do I have to buy thermal paste?

>>60456455
no, those """"""""people""""""""" are pajeet shills

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Random question. Is the very bottom right cable the cable with the molex connector?

>>60456471
but dogs don't plot your death.
http://theoatmeal.com/misc/frame/cat_kill

>>60456455
Do the full AMD, it's the non-shill path.

1600 overclocks just about as well as 1600x, and comes with a CPU cooler.
RX 580 8gb, or RX 570 8GB are also good choices. You may be able to go RX 570 4GB, but I'd be worried of VRAM bottleneck in a couple of years.

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how's my build? Indonesia

>>60456507
Yes, that's molex.

>>60456472
How about not buying a shitty housefire cpu?

>>60456507
looks like a floppy drive power desu, throw it away

>>60456523
What's wrong with it? It has stellar reviews across the board.

>>60456516
i've never overclocked and desu i dont really want to. the 1600x isn't a lot more expensive anyway

was amd shit at some time or something? all my GAYMER friends say don't get amd

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>>60456522
Alright thanks I'm not sure where the fuck it's supposed to plug into the power supply but I guess I'll find out when it gets here.

>>60456516
>>60456560
also isn't it bad to use stock cooler?

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>>60456455
>is amd a bad choice for gaming?
no.

>people say it has bad optimization
it's wrong. Some games have better optimization one on brand of cards than another thanks to architecture-specific optimization, but "AMD has bad optimization" is plain wrong.
Pic related is a graph that shows performance differences in games between the GTX 1060 and RX 580, which are equally powerful cards. You'll note that AMD has the clear lead in DX12/Vulkan titles, because their architecture is superior at it.

>>60456472
Thermal paste should come with the cooler you buy with it. Since the 7600k doesn't come with one, no, it's not gonna come with thermal paste. Some coolers may not include thermal paste, some have it pre-applied, some include it in syringe looking things
The 7600k is a pretty bad CPU by the way, compared to the R5 1600. If you haven't paid it yet, it would be wiser to change it to an R5 1600, or at least ask us why the R5 1600 is better. More information before a purchase is never a bad thing.

>>60456377
8x2TB would be faster but much louder and hotter. If it's just to store some random files or movies, it would be wiser to get 4x4TB.

>>60456455
The R5s trade blows with the i5s depending on the title. Also is probably cheaper if you want to overclock, and with a potential upgrade path. Slight edge for AMD as it stands, imo.
The i7 dominates the R7, in terms of price/performance. No sense in buying R7 for gaming, i7 is a clear winner.
RX 580 offers better performance than the 1060 at roughly the same price, but with notably higher power consumption and more heat. Below and above that, all of the cards are segmented fairly far apart in terms of price brackets, or are useless for gaming.

The only thing I'd advise strictly against is buying R7 for gaming. Everything else is up for grabs, depending on what you want.

>>60456519
looks good to me

>>60456564
it's for case fans
you connect the 4pin to the mobo and plug the molex side to the fan, but there's also sata to molex attachments iirc

>>60456564
>>60456604
no, I thought that at first, but it's clearly for a floppy drive, fan headers have exposed pins

>>60456560
>was amd shit at some time or something?
Their CPUs were hilariously bad from 2011 to start of 2017, and they used to have pretty shitty drivers a long long time ago (4 - 5+ years)
My friends also told me AMD was shit, told me my R9 280 would crash while playing games, then switched to "would crash while playing new AAA games at release" when they turned out to be wrong, and told me my R7 1700 was shit
Old memes + uninformed people = "w-wow amd is shit"

>>60456578
Not really. The Intel cooler is pretty shit both at cooling and noise, but it's still fine to have on non-K CPUs.
The AMD cooler is good at cooling and very good at being quiet. Though a $25 cooler would still be better.

>>60456632
https://www.amazon.com/Logisys-LT400PL-PURPLE-BRIGHT-COMPUTER/dp/B000Y54RMI/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1495076345&sr=8-6&keywords=molex+case+fan

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>>60456604
Ohh shit so if I buy some fans with led's they'll work fine with just the 4pin connection? Is the molex connection just optional?

>>60456584
>thermal paste

Thanks for the serious reply. I have not purchased the CPU yet (I'm waiting for my paycheck) and I'm going to build my own desktop (I already bought the network adapter and windows 10)
>inb4 buying Windows

The main purpose of this build is to play vidya and I was under the impression that the Intel i5-7600k is the best way to go in terms of games and general browsing and light editing. The CPU cooler I was going to buy is the Cool Master 212 Evo.

How come the Intel isn't a good choice?

>>60456652
It will work but I don't know if molex supports speed adjustments

>>60456601
should i wait til next year when those have (hopefully) lowered price?

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>>60456650
nope. That is a fan that can take molex power, or power from fan header. See pic related.

>>60456560
>>60456578
AMD stock cooler, on the 1600 is good enough.
You might not be able to overclock too much, but probably to maybe 3.7Ghz.

The 1600X doesn't come with a cooler at all, so you have to buy an aftermarket cooler. So, if you add the aftermarket cooler, and the extra for the CPU, it ends up being a somewhat significant sum.

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>>60456650
>>60456700
this is an FDD power connector

>>60456560
>was amd shit at some time or something? all my GAYMER friends say don't get amd
Old memes.

>>60456683
>>60456700
Just got my answer twice. I was thinking the led's on the fan required extra power or some shit thanks guys.

>>60456701
so would it be a good idea to get a 1600 and overclock to around 3.6ghz to match the 1600x? or is it better for longevity to just get a 1600x and a cooler like https://pcpartpicker.com/product/t4fp99/cooler-master-cpu-cooler-rr910htx3g1

(also if anyone has quiet amd cooler suggestions for microatx lemme know)

>>60456694
Could definitely save money by going for a 550w PSU and a non-black edition GPU (the xfx black edition are among the most expensive because they are binned for overclocking)
I doubt price will have lowered much if any by then.

>>60456735
if you are
>>60456507
then the cable in bottom right has nothing to do with and will not work with any kind of fan.

If you are asking about >>60456652, then yes, that fan will take power from either a fan header, or the molex header.

>>60456735
the tdp of leds are usually negligible compared to the fan itself unless you have a potato psu
also those kinds of fans are pretty shit desu senpai

>>60456528
>quad core no threads in 2017
>(((reviewers)))
>power consumption of a 8 core
its trash

>>60456756
Alright thanks for the confirmation. Glad I asked before thinking of buying extra stupid shit.

>>60456739
That one looks really small, better to get something like cryorig h7 (have to ask cryorig to send you am4 brackets I believe, though).

1600x have a boost to 4.0ghz I think? But that might only be for 1-2 cores.
Either way, I don't think you'd really be CPU bottlenecked by a RX 580, even if you leave 1600 without overclocking.

So I think best option is to get the 1600, use the stock cooler, and see how much you can overclock without getting too high temps, or too much noise.
This also lets you use your computer as soon as you've put it together, with no need to wait for manufactures to send you am4 brackets.

>>60456676
>How come the Intel isn't a good choice?
It's not that Intel isn't a good choice, it's that i5s are really a poor choice since the release of the R5 series.
4 cores and 4 threads in 2017 is really cutting it too short and the reason it was so popular before is because it was "just enough", that's about it. In any AAA game from two years ago to right now, you will see very big % usage of your CPUs if you have a 4 core 4 threads CPU. GTA V, Witcher 3, Battlefield 1. We're talking 85 to 90% percent, with frequent spikes to 95 and 100%. This causes noticeably stutter in game, and means that to reduce these stutters to a minimum, you are forced to close all the programs you have open before starting a game. But we had no other choice before because AMD wasn't an option.
Now with the release of the Ryzen 5 series, you have at worst a 4 core 8 threads CPU that naturally does not hit as high usage as i5s do in games, and at best a 6 core 12 threads CPUs that stays around 50 - 60% usage (never above) in games and has all the room for any application you have open in the background. All of those are priced around i5s, which is why you never see anyone here getting an i5 in their build, and which is why the vast majority of builds made in the past month have been including the 6 cores 12 threads R5 1600, priced at $220. Here are three videos showcasing what i meant by very high CPU usage, they also show the CPU usage of the R5 1600 at the same time to compare to. Judge for yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBKHsMar1Jo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Ovmxfejvo
https://youtu.be/JypkqwpOtNI?t=8m

>>60456780
I know they're shit but it's like 50 bucks for 2 led corsair fans. Those ones are like 11 bucks and supposedly almost put out the same level of noise (which I do doubt) but it'll save me 40 bucks for now.

>>60456834
you could just not get leds then

>>60456788
>>power consumption of a 8 core
you're thinking of the 7700k

Have a r5 1600 and when I play CSGO after using my pc for a while, sometimes, or most of the time, my fps stays at ~30fps, but when I play CSGO right after booting up my computer, it runs ~200fps
I don't get it.

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>>60456851
But they're important... it'll make it like run faster and shit. I'm actually planning on just buying an all in one radiator fan if I ever get up the money for that.
and my motherboard.
and my i7 6700k
which is probably going to be a while.

>>60456834
>and supposedly almost put out the same level of noise
36-38dba is about twice as loud as 30dba, jfyi.

>>60456898
monitor CPU & GPU usage
msi afterburner

>>60456744
my only options for 580 was either power color red dragon for lower price or xfx black (the only products that local store provide for 580 8gb) and power color red devil for the same price as the xfx black. from my experience with hd 7950, power color wasn't going well. i'm new in amd aftermarket brand. been a long nvidia user and galax is my favorite brand for nvidia.

is xfx better than power color? or power color has better build quality now?

currently using i5 6400 with galax 1060 6gb, but with new promising ryzen i thought of selling my current machine and build full amd one.

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>the only mitx am4 mobos are from Biostar

>>60456902
well fuck.. My pc is gonna sound like a jet engine with 6 fans and I just looked it up again they're no where near the same dba
Corsairs 21 dba
Roswills 38 dba

>>60456949
get a fan controller

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>>60456899
if you're dead set on getting rgb fans, I'd just pick what you had/keep what your case supplies and then save up for something that looks better than corsair. Still, you can be saving money by buying normal fans and buying the other bad parts that you want
Thermal take for instance looks much better imo because when the rgbs are off it just looks like a normal fan.

>When are the prices going to drop on the 10 series already? I've been waiting to upgrade from my 2GB 760 for some time now but I'm also poor as shit.

>>60456978
Did not mean to meme arrow this text.

>>60456824
You've given me a lot to think about.

SO what I'm pretty much getting here is that Intel will give me more FPS, will have a lot more usage and will run less hot and the AMD will have less FPS, will have less CPU usage and will run hotter.

Still, I wonder why most reviewers and benchmark videos, Amazon and Newegg reviews, never address the Intel CPU usage.

>>60456949
You can use this as reference.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCnsw9oRDsM

Between 6-10 is said to be double, or halved, of perceived sound. There's no real concrete rules to this, because it's subjective to each individual, and different for different types of sounds.

But yeah, those roswills may be 4x as loud... But, 21dba is very quiet, 30dba is supposedly night levels of sounds. Even that depends on where you live, but 21dba is something you should barely be able to pick up on.

>>60456965
I don't want rgb I just want some blue standoffs to the white. I'm buying the corsair 400c case and it only comes with one of their fans. The only other case fan I have is like 7 years old.
>>60456953
I had planned on it but I'm going to wait for the case to show up so I know what to get exactly.

>>60457009
Not necessarily. AMD processors actually run cooler than the Intels. They're just programmed to give readings 20 degrees Celsius higher than they actually are so people familiar with Intel chips don't have to get used to an all new heat range. They actually run quite cool.

>>60456978
until the next series or vega, but you're most likely going to get the best prices second hand

>>60457009
always take reviews with a grain of salt, they are mostly done when the hardware is all put together and the person is excited that it works
as far as I can tell, my 1700 runs cooler than my old intel chip did

>>60457009
>Intel will give me more FPS,
That doesn't happen with the i5s beacause they're constantly near their limit, as you can see in the video. The few rare times the framerate of the 6600k goes over the R5 1600, it quickly goes back under it.

>will run less hot
This isn't the case. More lower clocked cores is cooler than less higher clocked cores. The Ryzen CPU also have lower TDP, as in there is less power wasted converted into heat.
Intel CPUs are less power efficient & output more heat than Ryzen CPUs at the moment.

>>60457064
The 20°C offset is for the X CPUs only

>>60456978
1050ti was cheap as hell and poor as shit isn't an excuse

>>60456906
i'll post screenshots after a while

>>60457033
I realized that I was looking at the CFM not the DBA. actually the rosewills are about as quiet as the corsairs. The only real thing I dont like about the rosewills is the whole fan being clear but I shouldn't really be able to see them in the top of my case anyways

>>60457009
Reviewers, particularly regular consumers on Amazon/Newegg/etc don't usually monitor usage.

>>60457009
>I wonder why most reviewers and benchmark videos, Amazon and Newegg reviews, never address the Intel CPU usage.
I wonder too. It's also even worse that said benchmarks are made on fresh windows install with the least possible number of software installed and running, which means that in real life scenario the CPU usage is even much worse than that

>>60457118
760 to 1050ti? Is that even worth the time and money?

>>60457277
by selling the 760, yes.
the performance gain is worth the extra cash i think

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This is my current setup, thinking of upgrading my GPU (1080 maybe).
Should I consider a new CPU? Not sure if it would be that much of an upgrade and going over my budget.

>>60457321
considering you already have a 6 cores cpu, no it wouldn't be very worth at all, the performance improvement would be there but not big enough to even justify $50.

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10 years since X370GTN in stock.i walk through the empty streets trying to think of something else but my path always leads to the X370GTN. i stare at the screen for hours and try to summon more ryzen itx boards. i refresh newegg every minute but it is no good. i flame intel fans inyt comments and try to resist kaby lake but it is all meaningless. the end is near.i then usually watch some old ryzen reviews and cry myself to sleep.

>>60457064
>>60457073
>>60457117
>>60457148
>>60457171
What about the 1600x? Is the 1600x significantly better than the 1600? Is it worth getting?

Has anyone here used the Gigabyte ab350m gaming 3 motherboard? What ram are you using and what's the highest you've clocked it?

>>60457345
It's basically a 1600 but with a higher stock clock speed, a slightly higher overclock headroom, and without an included cooler. IMO, it isn't worth it. Just get a normal 1600 and overclock it. Same performance and cheaper. The stock cooler with the 1600 is good for at least a stable 3.7GHz overclock.

>>60457345
it can reach higher clocks and at stock clocks is higher clocked (3.2 to 3.6 vs 3.6 to 4.0) but is usually not recommended because it's not a cost efficient CPU. You can always get the R5 1600 with a cooler and overclock to very close level of the 1600x, unless you're scared of overclocking on your own and want the best out of the box. It also needs a cooler whereas the r5 1600 comes with a decent one.

>>60457361
>>60457374
Oh, so if I decide to get the 1600 I don't need to buy the 212 EVO cooler then?
If so that's pretty sweet.

>>60457417
yes. even though it's 6 cores, it doesn't heat nearly enough to require better cooler.
i'm running a 8 core on the same cooler the r5 1600 comes with

>>60457417
To get a full overclock, the included cooler won't do it.
You can bump it up some, but not to 4.0

If I'm gunning for 1080p/60 FPS/Ultra and not upgrading my GPU until 4k/60 FPS/Ultra stops being a top tier SLI/Crossfire meme, which GPU should I get?

>>60457478
I really wish AMD would actually offer to sell the Wraith Max cooler so I could use that, overclock to 4.0, and not have to deal with an awkward looking aftermarket air cooler.

Seagate IronWolf ST4000VN008 3.5" 4TB NAS HDD

seems cheap for $180aud, are they good drives?

>>60457490
>and not upgrading my GPU until 4k/60 FPS/Ultra
Nobody can predict the future.
1060/580 is 1080p sweet spot today. If they will last to that point is speculative.

>>60457432
>>60457478
One final question
How are the cpu's drivers? I always remembered AMD always considered shit because their drivers were complete trash. Is this still the case?

>>60457594
CPUs aren't even remotely like GPU
There is no such thing as "bad CPU driver".

>>60457594
CPU's don't have drivers.
Ryzen continues to have its kinks worked out, particularly with RAM.
I wouldn't worry about the teething problems. Make sure to update your BIOS/UEFI.

>>60457594
It wasn't the drivers that were trash, but the architecture of the FX chips that made the uncompetitive.
Ryzen fixes this with a good architecture.

what's a good CPU cooler for am3, and a smallish case? was looking at rosewill trash, but really open to something that will just werk, not gonna do much but be my server with loonix running, so overclocking not a concern.

>>60457622
i think he was referring of the bad reputation ATI had back in the days

>>60457621
I want postscript that if I were assembling PCs for a company where uptime was critical, I would in no way recommend Ryzen, until I could be certain of the stability. It's definitely not there yet. But for a consumer piece where you can afford the occasional bug waiting to get patched, it's essentially "good enough".

>>60457621
I lied, I have another question.

When you say ram do you mean the vram or the other ram? Will 16gb be enough?

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Whats the best SSD available right now?
I am mainly still concerned about the lifespan of SSDs compared to even old HDDs
What is the average lifespan of the average SSD?

>>60457666
regular ram.
It's not the AMOUNT of ram that matters. 8GB is enough. It's the SPEED of the ram that makes a big difference on Ryzen. You generally want 2666 to 3200 mhz ram with Ryzen.

Im trying to choose a nice, small portable mITX case. I didn't like Lian-Li or Cooler Master's options because of their low airflow. Could any of you Anons share your opinions on which one of these cases to get? I picked these cases based on size, airow, and portablility.

Fractal Design Node 202
+
>smallest
>average price
-
>shitty cable management
>small coolers only

Silverstone SG13 and SG05
+
>relly cheap
>can use AIOs
-
>virtually no cable management
>boxy

Corsair 380T
+
>best airflow (tons of fan mounts and space)
>decent cable management
>atx psus
>room for big HSFs and custom loop
>handy carrying handle
>cool design
>easy to access
-
>expensive
>bulky
>gaymen aesthetics

If you dont see a case you like on here, its probably because it was bigger and had no big advantages (e.x: The Milo and The Raven are like bulky node 202s), was some impossible-to-get overpriced crowd funded case(e.x: The Zaber Sentry costs almost $250 and takes half a year to ship), or it was had major flaws (e.x: Most Prodigys arrive broken in shipping).

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>>60450339
How's my wire management? Sat down and put some time into it desu

>>60457666
He's talking about the unstable RAM overclocking on Ryzen, some kits and some motherboards have trouble reaching over 2600MHz. It's a brand new architecture on a brand new socket so seeing a problem like this isn't very surprising. AMD has been working the past month on bios updates that would fix this issue across the board, the update is planned for before the end of the month.

>Godson 3B1500
>Lemote LX-6101
>2x4GB RAM
>350W PSU
>240GB SSD
>2x4TB HGST HDDs

Only thing I'm not sure of is the GPU, what AMD card should I go for if I'm just looking for HEVC decoding?

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>>60457702
Specs w/ bf4 running at ultra everything.

>>60457707
580 4gb

>>60457666
Regular RAM. DRAM. Ryzen boards are having issues with memory compatibility. It's slowly being fixed with updates. Again, update UEFI accordingly.
16GB is more than enough. Don't go too nuts with speed; fast ram offers small benefit for alot of money. You'll find 16GB of 3200 to be very pricey. Look at reviews on Ryzen RAM choices to better inform yourself.

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>>60457702
>>60457719
Also front because I think it looks nice

>>60457700
>SG13

you also forgot to add really fucking ugly lmao

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>>60457702
should make this one go behind it instead of in front of it

>>60457723
Do I really need a $200+ GPU just for video decoding?

Which memory kit should I pair with the Asrock AB350 Pro4?

>>60457764
pick from the list. Ryzen has had compatibility issues with memory.
http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/AB350%20Pro4/#Memory

>>60457690
>>60457703
>>60457727
Alright, thank you.

Hey guys I rebuilt my comp today with a new mobo cpu ram and gpu, and the first PCI slot on this mobo does not work. Did I fuck it up? I tried a couple of gpus and different PSUs and nothing changed. The first slot is just dead.

>>60457785
it's not compatibility issue but RAM overclock issues

>>60457806
does it deliver any power?
if you put a gpu but don't plug a PSU power cable, do the fans start spinning?

>>60457682
i don't know about other brand, but if you get samsung make sure to get evo 850 or pro 960, 5 years and still kicking.

>>60457827
Nope, no fans or anything. I may have had it not fully seated the first time I tried booting. It felt good but I found that the tab on the end hadn't clicked. The GPU is fine. Everything else on the motherboard seems fine.

>>60457848
If the other PCIe slots do deliver power then yeah it sounds like a dead slot

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I dont know what to upgrade now...

>>60457719
Why do you have a gtx 1080 powering a 1080p60hz monitor. Please tell me you will purchase 1080p144hz, 1440p60hz, 1440p144hz or ultrawide monitor.

>>60457745
Thanks for the help, have a (you)

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MYH48d/corsair-memory-cmk16gx4m2b3000c15

will this ram be fine with an ryzen 5 1600 and this https://pcpartpicker.com/product/TsfmP6/msi-b350m-gaming-pro-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-b350m-gaming-pro ?

>>60457682
Lifespans of SSDs are probably longer than HDDs.

>>60457925
Check the QVL list

>>60456560
AMD went from being neck and neck competitor that at one point completely btfo Intel to producing garbage non-competitive CPU's for 5 years straight. (Helped in part by Intel going full jew using anti-competitive practices that got them slapped with one of the biggest corporate fines in history)

The new zen cpu's are a return to form for AMD and a lot of people are struggling to shake off that 5-year stigma they built up (helped in no small part by intel and nvidia shills).

is a 75hz freesync monitor worth it for an R5 1400 and RX570?

>>60458128
if the price is reasonable, and it usually is, yes

>>60456589
>The i7 dominates the R7, in terms of price/performance. No sense in buying R7 for gaming, i7 is a clear winner.

Not even close to true

The worst averages I've seen put the performance difference at ~7-10% in favor of the 7700k, but that completely ignores the better frametimes, lower input lag, and massively better multi-threading the R7 has. You take an average guy's computer that's running all his bullshit in the background; music, discord, excel, browser, pdf, etc. instead of a pristine fresh windows install with nothing else running and that difference drops to nothing or even goes in the R7's favor.

Unless you're ACTUALLY going to overclock (and almost nobody actually does) the R7 is UNQUESTIONABLY the better buy. If you ARE going to overclock you're only MAYBE better off with a 7700k instead.

And that's still in a situation where nobody's optimized shit for the AMD cpu's while Intel's riding half a decade of optimizations for their platform.

>>60458160
alright thanks. still not really sure how freesync works but wasn't sure if that setup would take advantage of it or not

so the qvl list for my mobo says that the white and red versions of this are good. i dont know if it doesn't include the black specifically or if i'm just being stupid?

https://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-3200MHz-Desktop-Memory/dp/B0143UM4TC/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1495084592&sr=1-1&keywords=CMK16GX4M2B3200C16R

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/support/B350M-GAMING-PRO.html#support-mem

>>60456898
change power saving mode, don't put your computer in sleep mode

I think this might be a bug AMD is still working on fixing

>>60456589
>The R5s trade blows with the i5s depending on the title.
No it doesn't, there's a good reason i5s are never recommended in this general. 4 core 4 threads is way too shit for 2017.

>>60458201
You might wanna watch this short video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFLDpqIT6MY
Yes, it would take advantage of it. The benefits of freesync are the most felt when under the screen's refresh rate, because this is where tearing happens the most. Without freesync it's either V-Sync which causes stutter when below your screen's refresh rate and input lag, or tearing.

Should I get 8GB 2666Mhz + RX580 8GB or 16GB 3200Mhz + RX570 4GB? CPU is Ryzen 5 1600.

>>60458236
Is this some rare bug with sleep mode? I put mine to sleep a lot but im never seeing these kinds of problem with my r7 1700

>>60458251
I'd say 8GB + 580 because it leaves you the path to ugprade to 16GB still

>>60457345
If you are going to get a CPU cooler anyways, there is no reason not to get the 1600x isntead of the 1600. It's $30 and you're going from maybe 3.7ghz overclock to 4.0, maybe even 4.1ghz overclock.

If, however, you aren't planning on getting a CPU cooler, stick with the 1600. You won't be able to overclock much on the stock cooler, but you'll save like $50-$100 vs the 1600x + whatever cooler.

>>60458251
8GB 2666Mhz + RX580 8GB

why are there so many dodgy companies like thermatake, kingston, deepcool etc that have such high failure rates? why would you buy their shit?

>>60458245
cool, that helps. I was thinking it helped more when over the refresh rate, which I didn't think would happen often enough with a 1400 and 570 anyway. thank you

>>60457594
The "AMD drivers are shit" meme is from years ago when they were actually shit.

Since then they hired on a new company to help with driver software, massively improved the GPU driver software (it makes nvidia's shit look fucking incompetent/amateur now) and even started open sourcing their shit.

meanwhile nvidia's gone the opposite direction AMD did, with new drivers downgrading performance on old cards, spying on the user, and introducing facebook logins and paid subscriptions. People are years out of date on their retarded memes, but they keep getting reinforced by nvidia's marketing team

>>60458251
Why not both?

Ama be the one to tell you to get 16gb 3200mhz
8GB is barely enough for gaming, and you'll find yourself being RAM bottlenecked in some games. Ram is also going to get even more expensive, there's really no end in sight for RAM prices to drop.

4GB VRAM is a bit little, but, it really depends on when you'll be upgrading your graphics card.

If you're gonna stick with this graphics card for a few years, then get 8GB 3200mhz instead + RX 580 8gb.

>>60458263
Yes, it fucks with something and you get the computer thinking you're running 4.5ghz at 1.2 volts and crazy shit like that.

gtx titan for $350 AUD second hand?

>>60458379
which titan?
There's two cards with the name "GTX Titan", there's also the Titan X, Titan Z and Titan XP.

i need a monitor to watch movies on while im playing games

preferably $300ish

any recommendations?

>>60458433
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06XDY3SJF/?tag=pcpapi-20

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>>60458413
obviously not an x z or xp you Mongolian

>>60458462
not worth at all you homo
fairly sure even a gtx 1060 outperforms it today

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>Resolution: 1920x1200
>IPS: Yes
>GtG: 1ms - 5ms
>Sort by price - low to high
>Apply filter
>$799.99

>>60458560
Use a normal resolution.

>>60458673
>>60458673
>>60458673

>>60457336
I already gave up senpai, just embrace the Kabylake.

>>60453868
this mobo is shit, I own it.

>>60457897
monitor. get a 144hz.