/pcbg/ - PC Building General

Thoughts on this build?
My friend is looking to get it. The price point is right, and he's not very comfortable building his own PC by hand.

https://www.cyberpowerpc.com/system/Gamer-Infinity-XLC

Best budget case?

>>60471529
Not too bad. You could tweak it in a few areas if you were building it yourself, but it's basically equivalent to this build:
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/2BgJxr
Only buy that if you've got a high refresh rate 1440p or 4K monitor

>>60471658
Unfortunately I don't know too much about cases, but I would suggest something without many drive bays and in the minitower form factor, like this
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811235054

>>60471529
Some other differences between the pcbg pcpartpicker build that I posted and that powerpc is that the power PC only has 8GB of RAM and doesn't have decent SSD. All in all you're overpaying by about $400 on raw performance

>>60471593
>You can't claim that a 15% more powerful card can run 1440p as good as a 15% less powerful card runs 1080p, retard
No such claim is made, retard. Don't comment if you can't read.

How do I clean the dust out of a desktop case with minimal mess if I don't have a backyard to take it to?

wtf is going on? im getting a terrible whine from the computer whenever i do ANYTHING, moving the mouse, watching numbers change, typing letters. if i scroll quickly it sounds like some sort of sparking is happening.

is it the cpu? i have a ssd so i dont think thats it. it stops if i dont do anything on the computer

>>60471927
I quoted the claims, stupid. Don't comment if you're blind.

>>60471593
Also if you're so stupid that you think just because 1440p has 77% more pixels that it takes precisely 77% more power for equal rendering performance, you may as well kill yourself now as you're too stupid to ever succeed at anything in life.
That's only sort of true when it comes to screenspace shaders, which are almost under utilized at 1080p anyway so not even true then.
You have absolutely no fucking clue how rendering and GPUs work, so don't shit up pcbg with your ignorance. I'm pretty sure you're >>60471498 as well.

>>60471975
build is ryzen 5 1600, x370 asus mobo, msi rx 570 armor, samsung 850 evo ssd, seagate 2tb hdd, two included fans on the case, stock fan and cooler on the processor.

>>60471975
>>60472001
You don't know where the whine is coming from? Don't you have ears?

Pull the PSU out of the case to isolate it better and see if it's coming from it. It likely is. It could be the GPU as well. I've never heard of CPUs whining.

>>60471999
>Also if you're so stupid that you think just because 1440p has 77% more pixels that it takes precisely 77% more power for equal rendering performance
I never said "precisely" or anything close to that. Nice strawman / trumped up claims, shithead. The point still stands. There's a huge difference in raw power required to drive 1440p. The 15% raw performance jump between the 570 and 580 won't cut it for anyone who just spent $250 - $600 on a 1440p monitor.

1440p starts with the GTX1070. Get over it, fanboy. When Vega drops the situation will likely change, but not until then.

Noctua NH-U12S enough for OC housefirelake i7 or should I get the NH-D15?

>>60472185
Get the D15 or something close to it.

is there a guide somewhere that lists what things to disable on a new install of windows 10?

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hey guys i might pull the trigger on this any second. what do you guys think? I will be playing on a 1440p 144hz 27 inch monitor.

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>>60473087
I just updated ram and video card. What do you guys think?

>>60473087
I'd drop the HDD and just get a 1TB SSD unless you know you need over 1TB of storage near term.
They're on sale for $200-$250 often.

>>60473335
>Throwing a 1080 with a 1600
>Buying a $600 monitor instead of putting it towards your computer

>>60473335
Need aftermarket cooler
Not sure that RAM will work at its rated speed. Report back with your experience

>>60473441
1440 monitors at 144hz aren't cheap.

>>60473441
What's the point of having good PC hardware if you can't actually see how good it looks?

REMINDER
This particular OP is a shill.
The parts recommended in the links are not of /g/'s opinion.
>VR minimum 1050ti
No way in hell would we ever recommend that to you.
There isn't even a 1600 build that has been highly recommended, as proven via previous threads.
Beware the Jew.

>>60473685
REMINDER: This mentally handcapp.. I mean capable NEET is particularly assblasted

Every one of the 1500X builds has a note that suggests an upgrade to the 1600 with an aftermarket cooler

>>60473685
It's not as bad as it was before.

1050Ti VR minimum is similar to RX580 as 1440p minimum.
Yeah it won't work on all VR games maxed, but it will work in a pinch.

>>60473685
And regarding the "Absolute Minimum Specs" VR build, not everyone uses HMDs for gayming

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>tfw you fell for the gsync meme and also bought a 1080
If Vega actually holds up I'm selling everything

Okay guys, so I built my rig and flip the power supply to "I" but nothing happens when I turn it on.

Did I fuck up the motherboard or something?

>>60473885
Did you connect the case's button wiring to the mobo?

>>60473919
I'm assuming it was the small wiring that said powerswitch, HDD Led, plus minus bs? Yes I did.

No fans are moving either. Not even the PSU...

Did I fry the mobo?

>>60473783
Pull it. You're only going to dupe people into buying shit they'll regret.
And you recommendations being controlled only by you are is major issue.
Just write out additional header posts to accompany the OP.
Parts only. No brands. Unless there is valid reason for mentioning it. Other than price.
Such as:
Known issues
Performance of cooler. Mention alternatives to noctua due to it's massive price almost being the same as AIO's. And only just out preforming them by a DB or two, and a degree or three.
Best cooling cards, regardless of price, for overclocking.
Amount of VRMs on Mobo's. Point of redundancy is around 6 for AM4. May need more if you plan for APU's.
(note there's one board that looks like 6 phase but is actually 3)
And all that glorious shit.

>>60473939
Shouldn't be the case if you grounded yourself before hand. Did the mobo lights ever turn on when you connected the wiring from the PSU?

>>60473939
Same thing happened to me and it was because of these little fuckers, the small wiring things. Replug them in, try different orders, etc.

>>60474016
>>60474035
No lights turned on but I'll try replugging

>>60474055
It's possible the connections aren't pushed all the way in. Try pushing everything a little harder and if that doesn't work then try replugging things around.

>>60474088
Nada. Nothing's changed. No lights, no fans...

>>60474167
Search youtube for how to test PSU

>>60474167
What about the plug from the PSU? I might be unlucky but generally my plugs are fucking loose and I need to move them around to make sure the contact is good. To put it into perspective, if I'd move my case around right now you can be sure the PSU would shut down.

Are you 100% sure these little things are correctly plugged in as they should? Have you tried different combinations?

>>60474195
I haven't tried different combinations but I know for a 100% fact I'm plugging them in according to the manual.

>>60474180
Will try this.

>>60474222
If nothing works, take a picture and maybe we can see what's fucked.

Anyone have a build for 600$ mainly RTS dont need ultra or anytbing something that runs and is easy to upgrade. I have no idea how to do this myself so I'm asking for a build to start to learn

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hey guys i'm about to pull the trigger.
pairing this up with a ViewSonic XG2401 144hz monitor. Tell me what you think.

Everyone pretty much says that anything over 8gb of ram is pretty much useless unless you want to do some pretty heavy rendering or video editing, but as I'm looking at ram options it seems like I'm pretty much going out of my way to find 8gb options and that almost all 16gb options are just better value in terms of $/gb.

Unless there's some super secret appropriately cheap 8gb sticks I'm just somehow missing should I just go for 16gb? What I'm looking at is only like 30$ish more than the best 8gb options I'm seeing anyway.

>>60471498
Well there be a noticeable difference with cas16 3200mhz ram vs cas14 3200mhz ram?

>>60474388
On an i7? Yes they're more latency sensitive. On Ryzen? No it cares more about speed and latency doesn't matter much. Maybe 1fps.

>>60474290
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tHdF9W
Something along the lines of this will get you started for $600. The 1050ti will last maybe 2 years before you consider upgrading while the 1600 should last 3-4 years since games will take advantage of more cores. Choose whatever case you like.

You can get a windows key for $20 by following https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXTqz3Fd28M

>>60474383
If you feel you want 16 get it.
Never know if you start editing or using a virtualizer.

>>60474453
Or you can download toolkit at MDL and get it for free

>>60474383
16GB would honestly be better in the long run. I have 8GB and recently I got Ghost Wildlands for free and I noticed it uses about 5.5-6GB of ram at times. Games in the future are probably gonna be pushing more ram usage so you might as well get it if it's in your budget.

>>60474383
I really don't know who says that.

/pcbg/ for months has recommended 16gb as the standard, and only 8gb for budget.

>>60474268
I tried the paper clip test and the fan is not powering on.

So the fucking PSU is busted.
THANK GOD.

>>60474742
What brand PSU?

>>60474769
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/DPCwrH/seasonic-power-supply-ssr550rm

>>60474778
>seasonic
>psu failure
you did something to it

>>60474823
What could I have done that would cause it to fail?

>>60474856
Did you turn on the on switch, on the psu?

>>60474383
If you have the extra case just get 16GB, especially if you're getting a platform that will last a while, like AM4.

>>60475064
Of course.

>>60475088
>case
Meant cash

>>60471498
so you didn't give up on putting your shitty fucking OP huh?
it'll go away next thread just as always

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>>60474321
someone please rate my build.

Good AMD processor for an R5 build? Just want 60 frames in Overwatch

>>60475155
you could go for an R5 1400 but it's pretty cost inefficient, i'd recommend going r5 1500x instead.

>>60475169
Looking for a GPU not CPU just mentioned the R5 to mention the build I'm making

>>60473942
>>60471498
This.
A single Anon controlling what's listed is not a good thing.
And if you're going to contribute you need to do it fully and openly, Having off site resources that are locked behind a password for modification is not helping anyone. There's nothing different than what was listed in previous threads, minus the VR rec that is utter dog shit. And the 'obfuscation of upgrade paths.

You're only trying to gain some sort of power by doing this OP.
You're a massive faggot in doing so.

>>60475322
can't we get a mod to make him fuck off or something

>>60475189
You said AMD processor, not GPU
Anyway, a GTX 1050ti would give you over 60 frames in overwatch without any problem. You could up that to an RX 470/570 but those are for 1080p AAA, so quite overkill. You could downgrade it to an RX 460/560, but they both get outperformed by the GTX 1050 at around the same price.

>>60475322
>obfuscation
There's no obfuscation, retard. That implies some kind of intention. If you're too stupid to find the Description you don't need to be posting.

>Having off site resources that are locked behind a password for modification is not helping anyone
It helps the all the anons in the thread because they don't have to deal with retards posting shitty opinions in the OP, like that the 580 is a good card for 1440p.

>>60475105
>>60475357
Have fun sweating over this thread, NEET.

>>60475119
Looks good but just so you know, that RX 580 isn't be able to achieve a 144fps in AAAs and the R5 1600 is going to hover around 130fps. It'll do great but for 144hz build, a 7700k + GTX 1070 is usually the best choice.

>>60475394
>Have fun sweating over this thread, NEET.
You say that but the last 3 - 4 threads you autistically kept posting "I'll own this thread..." "One day i'll make the OP and you'll finally know my true power..." and other autistic shit.
You're the one being obsessed over this even though everyone disagrees with you.

>>60475189
RX570 will do 144 on "high" settings in OW, and around 100 maxed. An RX560 or 1050Ti should do that on low or so. Not sure exactly.

>>60475452
>everyone
Just you and the other few autists who can't stand being repeatedly shown up.

>you autistically kept posting "I'll own this thread..." "One day i'll make the OP and you'll finally know my true power..."
Having fun writing your fanfiction?

>>60475394
>Have fun sweating over this thread, NEET.
This line gives you away. You keep calling everyone that disagrees with anything and everything you've done that.
You give no heed to the information they are conveying to you. All you're here to do is push 144hz 1080p for some autistic reason.
>hurr durr not me
Interesting enough, when you're around that faggot is too.
You are obfuscating, every damn step of the way. At first you samefaged hard as a motherfucker, trying to fake support for your cause, to no avail.
Even hiding behind you oculas rift min specs.
You are dodgy as fuck. And no one wants you here because of it.
You're unwilling to listen, only here to shill what you want. You're egotistical and a liar.
Plain old no good.
You can fuck off now.

>>60471498
will the igpu handle a 4k monitor?

>>60475588
Will the IGPU on the pentium g4560 handle a 4k monitor?
no gayman.

>>60475538
>Oh it's nothing, just a few people telling me to fuck off while i'm the only one that wants this OP =)
>It's not like PCBG has a low amount of regular and most of the people in there are newcomers or anything. It's not like it's the same regulars that are telling me to fuck off =)

>>60475405
I'm mainly going to be playing WoW. But 130fps is pretty good.

>>60475605
By all accounts yes.
if you need HDMI 2.0 output you'll need to get a motherboard with DisplayPort out + an active DisplayPort to HDMI 2.0 converter dongle

>>60475545
>All you're here to do is push 144hz 1080p for some autistic reason.
How the fuck did you come to that conclusion?

Just shut up now.

>>60475588
>>60475605
Yep.

>>60475649
It's basically just this guy >>60475105 or some similar retard who can't find the shift key. Also I can barely tell what you're trying to say. Ask yourself: why would newcomers even care about an OP?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/

is a 650 going to be ok or should i go for a larger psu?

>>60475854
you didn't post the proper link

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>>60475822
>Just shut up now.
>LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU
>I'M RIGHT, YOU'RE WRONG NOTHING TO SEE HERE. NO ALTERNATIVE MOTIVE

>>60475854
>>60475873
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VFsmpb

sorry

>>60475881
>posts unsubstantiated claims
>greentexts when called out
I'm better than you at meem-arrows

>>60475822
>It's basically just this guy >>60475105 or some similar retard who can't find the shift key.
There's at least four that's against you, going by IP counts. And only you supporting your motives.
I've seen this going on a few times now, with 4chanX it marks when a new IP enters the thread.
Given everything that's been said, they have all the reason to get up your arse. You are the one in the wrong. No one is going to defend you. Not because they can't, but because you're in the wrong.

I have a 6600k and im in need of a new graphics card. I was planning on getting the 1070. Is there any reason I should get the 1080, if I don't mind spending a little more?

>>60475913
Get 3000MHz RAM
I'd suggest an air cooler

>>60475947
What's your resolution? Spend the extra on a 1440p monitor if you don't have one

>>60475963
I currently have a VG248QE. So I should get the 1080 only after I get a better monitor? and get the 1070, if I dont plan to upgrade my monitor?

>>60475943
Your IP theories are stupid. You're right in that there are three or four butthurt people in this thread though

>>60476006
Correct.

>>60476006
Hold on that for two weeks. Vega should release and force price drops/be a better card for you.

>>60476038
Vega might be better for 1440p.. I doubt that it will "win" at 1080p. Kinda like Ryzen vs i7 7700K for 1080p.

>>60476080
Having said that, certainly nothing wrong with waiting to find out.

>>60476038
Any links on the release date for consumer cards?

Are there any good GPUs between (in terms of price) the 1060/RX 480 and the 1070?

>>60476133
Good? Unfortunately no. Don't believe anyone who suggests the Fury. You could grab a 980Ti used, but I'm not sure what those are going for. And it's pretty old tech by Nvidia standards.

>>60474321
I just bought this. Someone rate my life.

>>60476188
Still need that aftermarket cooler for the 1600.

>>60476038
>>60476092
To answer my own question, currytech says that Vega will be coming late June. Reviews don't land until the cards do (basically), so we're still a month and change out from launch, and no telling about availability.

>>60476234
sticking with the stock cooler then upgrading later on.

>>60476347
Honestly it's a pain in the butt. I wouldn't bother to save $30

>>60475913
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VFsmpb
You won't use over 350watts, so yes 650 is more than enough. ~550 would be ideal, but it doesn't matter much

>>60475947
>Is there any reason I should get the 1080
No. 1070 is the fastest you can get for 1080p without being bottlenecked much in many cases.

>>60476006
>VG248QE
No? Even the 1080p drops to 90fps 1% minimums in a majority of recent AAA games like Mirror's Edge, Witcher 3, etc. But it's still extremely good for 1080p and the averages are usually near that 144 in those games.

Is there a consensus on the cryorig H7 vs the cm hyper 212 evo? Is the H7 worth the extra $10?

>>60476639
Um, yes? Go look at reviews.

>>60476639
H7's overall performance is better and uses a much easier install method.

what's the point of freesync in 1440p/4k if no AMD cards can run at that resolution/refresh rate for most games well? Will Vega actually be able to play games on 4k at 60fps+?

>>60476890
Freesync is an open source technology.
Any GPU manufacturer can include it in their cards.

>>60476890
no card can run modern games at 4k at 60fps+ at the current moment because they're optimized like literal turds
sure you can shit out a screenshot of a 4k screencap or something at 60 fps but I can guarantee that you're not going to have a constant 60 fps

>>60476890
Vega is targeting 4K 60fps minimum.
And the RX570 does 144fps 1440p in CSGO fine. More like 250fps.
There is also Crossfire, not that I'd recommend it.

>>60476899
So why doesn't NVidia adopt it then to expand their hold on the market? Maximum Jewery?

>>60476964
What's wrong with Crossfire?

>>60476984
Doesn't always work or scale well.
Though there are cases where it's +85-95% which is nice when it works. Sometimes it's only like +35%.

That said, I'd be tempted to get a Vega x2 with how good the Radeon Pro Duo was sometimes. It's still better than the 1080Ti in some cases.

>>60476970
because literally fuck them....i don't want to pay $300 extra dollars for some shit module that does nothing but tell the monitor to not work if it doesn't detect an nvidia card...hopefully DP 1.4 and HDMI 2.1 native adaptive sync will fix this

Can I trust pcpartpicker with motherboard and ram compatibility?

>>60476970
Yes. They get money from G-Sync, no one gets money from v-sync.
maximum jewery indeed.

Which GTX 1070 should I get, or at least what should I look for between different ones for sale?

No, I'm not getting a different GPU, nor am I interested whatever crap comes from those cheetoh stained loli fondlers of yours flapping around on the keyboard from autistic rage. Same applies for corporate shills too.

>>60477077
VEGA... Vega... vega...

Do I really need the PRO version of Windows 10? Would HOME be alright if i just plan on playing games and browsing the web?

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>>60477098

>>60477173
pro version just has some more interesting features like software raid and such
it's not needed for the average gamers though always nice to have

>>60477077
MSI gaming X. Seems to have the best cooling. Could be wrong in the 1070's. This is coming from looking at 580's ect.

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>>60471498
I want to use a slim matx case with a low profile 1050 ti, an i5 7500. Could I do it? Pic Related.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA2F84D68869&cm_re=slim_matx_case-_-11-108-425-_-Product

>>60476970
Because many cucks pay it.
Nvidia is getting record profit margins from their gaming division. Near 70%. That is largely due to Gsync being 99% profit margin.

>>60477352
Sure, why not?
But you should go with the 1500X instead. Much better perf/watt. i5s aren't worth buying for any purpose. That's a cool ass case for mATX. Usually only see that form factor for mITX.

>>60477352
>>60477406
Oh I just noticed. You'll need a low profile PCIe card. I'm not sure they make those for 1050Tis.

Need a good i7 k + mobo combo compatible with DDR3 ram

>>60477798
why?

I tried to install a SSD and broke 2 SATA cables
had to yank off dvd drive sata cable for use meanwhile

>>60475394
can you tell me how much do they pay you to shill? you can't possibly spend so many hours on defending your shitty thread for free unless you're actually autistic.

btw your builds still suck ass.

Looking for good case. What do you think about Define Mini C? Any other recommendations? Budget up to $100.

>>60477823
how fat are your fingers

>>60478185
nice trip

>>60478190
Found it on the interwebz
Here you go #騨ﾚNWKJ諤

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/qJ22Gf

Trying to put together my first build, just a mid-range gaming machine. Running recent games on med settings at 1080/60 is enough for me so I imagine a 1050ti is fine for that. My most demanding goal is just getting Doom 4 playable and to be able to emulate PS2 and Wii.

I kind of just slapped everything together based on system requirements for games I'd like to play and comparing to other builds I see. The only real thing I'm not sure about is the CPU, based off price alone it feels like it's overkill but I don't really know any better so I'd like input on that.

I'd also like to get a memory card reader for the 5.25'' bay on my case. Are there any recommendation guides for these things?
I'm looking at https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820223120 in particular as the sort of thing I want.

>>60478205
Thanks.

>>60478227
here. This is better.
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/J2CDVY

and here. for not much more money, something better.
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/TxMwJV

>>60478227
Wii & PS2 aren't very demanding, you could buy a g4560 and make both run pretty well, and it'd save you some big amount of money.

Otherwise if you wanna stick to a $150+ CPU, don't go i5 when you can get an r5 1500x for cheaper. They're unlocked, higher clocked, much more cache, have 8 threads instead of 4 which results in better multi-threaded performances and more headroom left.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/NsNvQV

>>60478300
He's just emulating though, the 6 cores r5 1600 wouldn't do much for him

Just got a free r9 390x from a friend to replace my 280.

However I crash when gaming since my PSU isn't really suited to deal with it.

What cheap but quality PSU should I get to support the r9 390x and an i3 haswell ?

test

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157759

This with the 1600x a good deal? Was just checking out b350's to get when I saw this deal pop up.

And yes i do want to use a 1600x.

>>60478396
yeah it's pretty good
don't forget the cooler

>>60478300
>>60478305
I specifically looked for an intel CPU due to dolphin's system requirements suggesting against AMD because they apparently have low instructions per cycle. I suppose that could just be outdated information, will the AMD CPU be fine then?

>>60478410
Suggestion on one? Not seeing anything that stands out.

>>60478534
>suggesting against AMD because they apparently have low instructions per cycle.
That's been rectified with Ryzen chips. All new architecture. Rysen 5 and Ryzen 7 are only a few months old at this point, so I don't think they've tested dolphin with the Ryzen chips, but I guarantee it will have no problem running it.

>>60478534
>I suppose that could just be outdated information
yes, you'll notice they mention FX cpus but never ryzen
>Due to very low IPC, AMD CPUs are poor choices for Dolphin. The FX8000 line of processors is the best they have, and even then most of those processors will be around half the speed of the 4670K’s performance with Dolphin.

>>60478351
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3hkwrH/corsair-power-supply-cp9020102na

>>60478557
>>60478569
Alright sounds good then, and the change of mobo is for the AMD cpu. So everything else seems good with that build?

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>Have FT02
>Been using only 2/5 HDD slots
>Decide to fill in the other 3 slots
>Can't find the cages for the HDDs anywhere
>Can't find replacements to buy online anywhere

I've moved around almost a half dozen times since I got that case, but if I don't find those missing cages then I'm shit out of luck.

>>60471498
I have
>fx-8150
>GTX 650-ti
>12 gb ram
>120gb ssd
> 1.5TB HDDs

What should I upgrade for gaming? (Germany)

Looking to get a cpu cooler with a 1600x. Okay if i skimp out and use this? https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103107

>>60478615
I'm using a 550w xfx psu right now and I THINK its causing the issues.

I can play any game for about 30 minutes before the screen just goes dark and my monitor loses connection with the GPU, rest of machine is still running though.

I don't think it's a thermal issue since it's around 70C and it's not a system shutdown. Also the PSU is fairly old, I bought it around 3 ish years ago and the PC is on usually atleast 12 hours a day.

>>60478684
>two heat pipe one comes up
You sure you linked the right one?
The four pipe is $27. It's a whole lot extra sink for $10.
I really don't think the two pipe will cut it, can't see the thermal rateing for those either in the spec sheet. But I can tell you the two pipe one will not cut it.

>>60478673
Card.
t. 8350, 1060 6gb owner. Unless you play at higher res than 1080. Then you'll need a new system
And no, I don't recommend the 1060.

>>60478751
Alrighty, thanks for the heads up. Will just go ahead and get a MB/cpu combo then and just keep an eye out for a cooler deal.

Where can I get non-magnetic screwdrivers for cheap?

>>60478815
craigslist

>>60477798
Why the fuck

>>60478673
everything but your hard drives go for a ryzen 5 + rx 580 combo

Getting this build for a generic machine.

Not getting a HDD/SSD or GPU at the moment because I have some already. I don't need a GPU for gaming right away and I want to see the market play out.

Right now my current machine is 6GB DDR3 and a g3220.

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Cyberdrake/saved/qQGFTW

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Alright /g/tards, I was just going to upgrade my GPU and get the rest later but I think I'm saying fuck it. My shit is old and I'm surprised my PSU hasn't gone up in flames yet.

Look at this shit.

Anyway, today I got a 3gb 1060. I already have RAM sticks (16gb, DDR3), mountains of hard disk space, and a case. I just need a new PSU, mobo, and CPU. For CPU I was thinking the i3-7350. There's some mobo combo I can get along with it, should I just go with that?

As for PSU, I was just going to get some 5XX W gold standard meme.

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>>60479215
Oops, meant to post pic related

>>60478649
>he change of mobo is for the AMD cpu.
Right.

>So everything else seems good with that build?
The only thing I'd add is a 120 GB 2.5" SSD to hold the operating system. Only a few bucks more than the WD Blue 1TB, but worth it for the faster experience.
So use the SSD for the operating system, and the normal hard drive for storage

>>60479215
Never mind about the CPU. I just did a quick check on
>GameDebate
and it blows ass. Unsure what to do for CPU as of now. I'd go Ryzen, but everyone's been telling me Intel CPUs are better for gaming.

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>>60479215
>today I got a 3gb 1060.
why??

>For CPU I was thinking the i3-7350

no
anything 7xxx (Kaby Lake) requires DDR4
the i3 7350 is a shit choice shit except from very specific rare cases

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>>60479258
>but everyone's been telling me Intel CPUs are better for gaming.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBKHsMar1Jo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Ovmxfejvo
https://youtu.be/JypkqwpOtNI?t=8m

thankfully, we know better.

>>60479260
I was going to get the AMD 570 but my buddy convinced me, even if it's only slightly better

yeah dont worry im not getting 7xxx anymore

>>60479271
your buddy convinced you to get a 1080p card that doesn't have enough VRAM to take advantage of it's performance in AAA games
your buddy is stupid

The RX 580 4GB is even barely recommended over the 8GB because of this. For quite the bunch of AAA games, 4GB isn't enough, and you got one whole GB less than that.
In my opinion, you fucked up.

>>60479312
Ugh. I knew I smelled a rat. He was pulling up meme CPUboss or something stats on why it's better. I just bought it today, I can still refund it, no?

>>60479327
You can return it... If you've opened it and used it, I don't know.

>>60479312
Holy shit I didn't even realize the 4gb 580 is the same price as the 1060 I got and it's a little better....

I have a month to return it, so I'll do that, and get the 580,

Also, the CPU I have is Phenom II X4 965. It'll bottleneck, but I'll still be able to play Dark Souls 3 and Battle Grounds and shit, right? Even on low?

>>60479347
>Even on low?
Graphical quality rarely has an impact on performance if bottlenecked by CPU

>>60479335
I opened the box but haven't used it yet. It's still in the bubble wrap. I talked at length with the store clerk. God dang it.....I'm legit pissed, I can't believe I didn't think of just getting the 580 if I was already willing to go up in price.

I'm off tomorrow, so I'm going to take care of it then.

>>60479356
So those games will still be unplayable until I up the CPU?

>>60479399
Yes

>>60479215
You need go to further back to find a dd3 compatible mobo and cpu.
Buy it used.

If you're going new, including ddr4 ram (sell your ddr3), AMD is pretty good. Even if you go with 1500x, or even 1400 (1500x has a much better stock cooler), the socket is lively, so you'll be able to upgrade it in a few years if you want to.

>>60479461
The DDR3 RAM won't be compatible? If I go that far back for CPU, nothing will be playable.

I'm upgrading for gaming by the way, as you probably guessed

>>60479492
So, DDR4 @ 2 x 4 GB RAM will be good?

>>60479347
>Phenom II X4 965
This will bottleneck EVERYTHING. Get a new CPU.

>>60479513
Do you think my shitty ass card (GT 640) could run Battle Grounds on low if I get a new CPU?

I was able to load it all up on low graphics, it just would be a slide show. So this is a CPU problem and not a GPU problem, no?

>>60479526
slide show.
Both CPU & GPU problem

>>60479526
No idea, idl that game, check requirements but your current hardware is shit for everything. Just get a new PC.

>>60479547
Ah. It would stutter when I wanted to turn to shoot someone. Otherwise performance was fine if I was the only one on the screen.

I'm thinking 580, Ryzen 5 1500x, and whatever mobo/DDR4/PSU that is compatible.

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>>60479557
Just sell everything, and buy new.

This is like a bit above entry level gaming, but I think it should run pubg. Maybe not super high fps, because the CPU is a bit meh.

Point with this is that you just get rid of the mobo, and cpu, to later upgrade to AM4, and add another 8gb stick.

>>60479584
>21.5"
>Memegate
Nigga pls.

>>60479620
>4k for a budget computer xD

>>60479637
>not 24" 1080p
>xDddxdxdxd
Go back, retard.
>>>/leddit/

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>>60479584
>headset
>mouse.
>keyboard
I don't need any of this but I highly appreciate the contribution. Upgrade to AM4 and add an 8gb stick later....Thanks, very useful. I'll keep that in mind.

Pic-related is what I'm thinking. I already have HDD, a case, mouse, all that shit. I just need CPU, mobo, and PSU. GPU I'm going 580.

Pic-related is what I'm considering and all I need right now.

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>>60479659
Also, I already have a rig for "entry-level" gaming. I can comfortably (somehow) play Overwatch, Dota 2 (but I'm not a faggot so I don't), all that...

I want to be able to play The Witcher 3, Dark Souls 3, PUBG, at high settings on a budget and be somewhat future-proof if I can manage that at all.

Maybe even medium for everything. But in order to play high, I need Ryzen 5 and Rx 580 apparently so I'm going with that. Seems like the cheapest high settings way to go right now.

>>60479659
Consider the R5 1600 if it's not too much. The price difference isn't that big but the two more cores are useful, also future proofs you.

>>60479695
Thanks, how's everything else?

Thing is, there's a $151 1500x at my local microcenter because I guess someone returned it and only opened it or something.

>>60479695
Also 2 more cores for gaming...?

>>60479659
Get the b350m pro4 from ASRock instead.

That list was from a "gf broke my computer and all my peripherals" challenge.

>>60479709
That's probably because the chip OC's like shit. Rest is ok but get faster RAM, Ryzen loves fast RAM.
>>60479738
Not relevant, yet. But if you look at core utilization across older and current games it's obvious that next gen games will be optimized for multicore/thread.
Also those two cores help with multitasking and give you future headroom.
As i said, if the price difference is minor, get a 1600, it's the golden SKU for general purpose/gaming.

>>60479738
4 cores is at it's limit for AAA gaming. The 4 additional threads of the 1500x compared to an i5 helps, but it's still very ideal to instead get the R5 1600.

>>60479778
>OC's like shit
I'm not going to OC.
>Rest is ok but get faster RAM
Any recs? I'm pissing in the wind here.

>>60479778
>price difference is minor
Sadly it isn't but I appreciate the info.

>>60479776
Kek. Noted.

>>60479778
I am not going to OC.

It would surely be worthwhile to get the 1600 over the 1500x, because of what you just said, no? I said I wasn't going to get it thinking you meant the 1600x, which is out of the question. But 1600 isn't if that also has multiple cores.

>>60479900
1600x is just a better "binned" chip than 1600, and 1600x doesn't come with a stock cooler, while 1600 does.
1600x can maybe overclock 100-200mhz over 1600, but it's pretty negligible.

1600 is great value.

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>>60479925
1600 is twenty bucks more only.

But then, at my microcenter I got lucky and there's a 1500x for $151. I'll have to figure it out.

I was going to get 2 sticks of 8GB RAM. Will that do for now? Does the brand matter?

>>60479811
>I'm not going to OC.
In that case a X variant will be betrer due to XFR. What botheres me is the returned 1500X. Might be "just returned" or really shit OC, which would impact the XFR capability.
>Any recs? I'm pissing in the wind here.
G.Skill Ripjaws V 3200 CL16 or Corsair LPX 3000 CL15 are good and usually "cheap", if you can call current prices cheap.
>>60479900
>if that also has multiple cores
At this point you entered >>>/sqt/

>>60479942
>Does the brand matter?
yes and no. The brand of the Ram doesn't matter, so long as it's fast ram (Ryzen loves fast ram).
What does matter is the brand of the die they made the Ram with. You want Ram with Samsung die.
The motherboard QVL will usually tell you which die the approved ram uses.

>>60479942
Ryzen has some compatability issues right now with RAM.

To be completely sure, you can use this: http://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/AB350%20Pro4/#Memory

That's specifically for ASRock B350m pro4.
Other RAM may work, but no guarantee... I don't even know if you're guaranteed those "supported RAM" to actually work either.
In likely a few days, maybe a couple of weeks, AMD will roll out microcode updates for better ram compatibility.

You could ask the people on the microcenter if you could test the mobo with the ram, and stuff, if it actually boots.

>>60479986
It's not all about speed, dual rank/double sided, performs better than single rank/single sided, with ryzen.

You can also "overclock" slow memory, like 2400mhz to 3200mhz. The timings will be loose, but that won't really matter with ryzen.

>>60479970
>If that also has multiple cores
Yeah my mistake, obviously it does...I just want it laid out clearly.

>are good and usually "cheap"
Thanks. Yeah so much for cheap...
>>60479986
>fast ram
How can I tell if it's fast? The ram mentioned in >>60479970
is fast, no?

>ram with samsung die
Alrighty.
>motherboard QVL
Building a computer is the biggest pain in the ass.

>>60480016
>compatibility issues with RAM
Of course it does. Thanks for the link, very useful.

>>60480016
>In likely a few days, maybe a couple of weeks
Wasn't it confirmed for late May, possibly slipping to beginning of June?

>>60480016
again, it's not compatibility issues, but ram overclocking issue.
pretty much any ddr4 kit works with any mobo.

>>60480059
I won't even be overclocking so I shouldn't have to worry then?

>>60480042
>How can I tell if it's fast?
anything over 2666 MHz will be fast enough. The mas Ryzen can handle at the moment is 3200 which is the fastest ram it can handle

>>60479986
>You want Ram with Samsung die.
This isn't the whole story. If you want guaranteed high speed you exclusively want Samsung b-die RAM, which usually is 3200 CL14.
With Samsung e-die, which used by Ripjaws V for example, you won't yield anything higher than 2933.

>>60480059
Some RAM sticks won't even let you boot, that's the real problem. If you can't boot, you can't update BIOS.

>>60480115
>won't even boot
Why get Ryzen 5 now then? This is such a headache. I just want my shit to work.

>>60480072
That's only if you do mutlipler overclcok, you can get 3600mhz+ if you do bclk overclocking.

Kind of off topic for this thread but it's parts related. I want to replace the wifi card in my laptop, what's the best replacement out there?

>>60480115
For it not to boot it would require to be at high frequency by default, which is never supposed to happen.
In the case it does, running with 1 sticks increase the frequency compatibility, so you can update the bios without any problem.
But it SHOULD NOT run the xmp profile by default, anything over 2400MHz is technically an overclock, a motherboard shouldn't overclock it's components unless you ask for it, otherwise it's a shit mobo. I can't think of any motherboard that does that.

>>60480121
If you're able to get it at a microcenter you can probably get them to test it for you, for free or for some small fee.
Or ask them if you can return the memory if it won't boot.

>>60480174
>$160 RAM
Can I just stick in a $60 single 8gb stick for now to get shit on medium settings and add more later?

>>60480072
>The mas Ryzen can handle at the moment is 3200
You shouldn't parrot what you say, this is factually wrong. There is no maximum frequency Ryzen can handle. People have managed to reach 3600 or even 4000. It's hard but possible, there isn't a set limit.

>>60480200
>parrot what you say
what you hear*

>>60480191
>Can I just stick in a $60 single 8gb stick for now to get shit on medium settings and add more later?
Obviously yes, but true Dual Channel is much better for Ryzen, the architecture is really picky with RAM, but it will work.
Note that it might be hard to get a cheap 1x8GB stick, high speed RAM mostly comes in 2x4 or 2x8 config, at least where i live.

>>60480191
Of course you can, RAM doesn't have much impact on gaming performance.

>>60480226
>Dual Channel is much better for Ryzen
Dual channel is better for anything, intel and any other cpu manufacturer included
it's not exclusive with ryzen

What's going to perform better for gaming: an i7-920 at 4GHz or an i7-3840QM (3.4/3.8GHz)?. I figure that the clock behaviour on a laptop chip is much more conservative than on a properly cooled desktop chip, but the 3rd gen Intel chips are about 20% faster than the 1st gen in terms of IPC.

>>60480238
the 3840QM obviously, very decent improvements were made from 9xx to 3xxx

>>60480226
Yeah I'll just get 2x4 or 2x8, that's fine. Just a way to spend less than over 150 dollars for the time being.

So the only RAM consideration I need to have it
>more than 2666 MHz
and
>compatible with Ryzen 5, check mobo QVL

>>60480236
All good to know.

What's a good 2666Mhz $60 dual channel that's 8gb?

>>60480238
3840QM is better, but neither of them are going to be playing much games with tier shit igpu.

>>60480259
Dual channel happens when there's two or more RAM sticks, regardless of which RAM stick.
The motherboard and CPU have to support it for it to work, although there is no motherboard or CPU these thay that doesn't support it.

>>60480236
Sure it's not exclusive, but it's even more important for Ryzen since it's so picky on RAM on general.
>>60480251
>more than 2666 MHz
Considering current prices the difference between 2666 and 3000/3200 shouldn't be much, performance will be increased.
>compatible with Ryzen 5, check mobo QVL
QVL isn't a 100% guarantee for you. Some QVL's (mainly Asus) are not up to date or the RAM will simply not run at tested speed regardless.
QVL is a good starting point, but don't 100% count on it. I'd rather get "cheap" Ripjaws V or LPX and wait for AGESA update which should come soon and hopefully resolve all RAM issues.

>>60480332
>but it's even more important for Ryzen since it's so picky on RAM on general.
how so????
The only Ryzen specific thing you need to think about when getting RAM is frequency. Timings works the same, single channel works the same. It's not "more important" at all, dual channel as the exact same effect on Ryzen CPUs than it does on any other

>>60480191
Ballistix sport LT are pretty cheap, and have good performance. I don't see it on the compatibility list, but it might work.

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>>60480292
>dual channel
yeah I figured that out

how about pic related?

>>60480361
oh thanks ill look into that too

>>60480359
Read it in some Ryzen reviews directly after release. Also read that Ryzen won't be able to achieve same speeds in Quad Channel as in Dual Channel.
Idk which review it was though, i read each and every one after release.

>>60480386
i was trying to go for over 2666 Mhz, but would going down to 2400 be fine? i figured this isnt that expensive at $70 though

>>60480386
You know you could simply link to pcpartpicker instead of spamming screenshots?
About the build, idk about Gigabyte, the reworked Aorus seems to be good, but the standard version idk.
The PSU is an old, shitty version. Get a Seasonic bronze or EVGA B2 series PSU.
It seems you settled on the 1600? You should really look into OC and do so somewhere down the road, it isn't hard anymore and it's free performance.

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>>60471498
Concerning "data center first": https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/02/12/intel-corporation-plans-seismic-change-to-data-cen.aspx
Ashraf Eassa said:

the first products to use Intel's 10-nanometer++ technology -- its third-generation 10-nanometer technology -- as well as the first products to use Intel's 7-nanometer technology will be data-center chips, rather than personal-computer chips.

Cannonlake-X on 10nm++ from Skylake-X 14nm+ would be really crazy.

>>60480446
>OC
No thank you, not my thing at all. I'm not too auti about settings, I just want to play muh games and have it look decent.

>>60480473
forgot link...https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HCprsJ
what about now?
im going with that gigabyte 580, itll be fine

>>60480473
If you are so adamant about not wanting to OC the 1600X or 1500X are the options you should look at. The 1600 is only recommended because of the excellent value and possibility to equal the 1600X when OC'd.
If you don't OC it's performance will be lower and depending on your usage a 1500X might be the better option, for example if single core performance or clock speed is all that matters.
Looks solid, but 750W is ridiculously overkill. If you won't OC 550W, hell, even 450W will be more than enough.

>>60480523
The 1600 is ten more dollars than the 1500x though. And it has more cores which is why I was going with that. But if you think the 1500x will perform better then I'll switch it.

>overkill
Oh no kidding. Good to know, maybe I can get an even cheaper PSU then. I'll go 550W to ere on the side of caution.

>>60480544
To be clear, pcpartpicker says it's $217 but at my local microcenter there's one for like $200. It's on sale.

Still worth it or should I just get 1500x?

Updated https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wQzF9W

>>60480544
>the 1500x will perform better
better choice doesn't mean perform better, it means the performance are more suited for you
the r5 1600 outperforms it

Anyone here from the Netherlands or another european country were you get fucked up the ass pricewise?

I want to build a ryzen pc, but everything is so goddamn expensive. Anyone any experience with a ryzen build, what processor should I pick that has the best price performance ratio?

Im asking because its my first build. I want to do 1080p (probably 720p) gaming.

>>60480575
I was going to get the 1600 because another anon said it'll be future-proofing to an extent with the extra cores.

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>>60480589
Certain games that can utilize more than 4 cores will have the advantage. Not many people use pic related site, but it does give a general idea of how it performs.

>>60480672
This is the site my buddy used to convince me 1060 is better than the AMD Rx 570...

Which I'm sure it is, marginally. But there's so much else to consider.

What puzzles me is The Witcher 3's minimum CPU is inferior to my current CPU but everyone is telling me I need a new CPU. Wouldn't I be able to play The Witcher 3 and similar games on min. settings with my current cpu if I get a 580? (cpu is Phenom II X4 965, Witcher's min. cpu is a Phenom II X4 940)

>>60480707
Again, settings have very little to do with how well your CPU will run the game
Even i5s reach 100% usage spikes in it. Your phenom II might be able to run it, but badly. Minimum is REALLY the minimum, it's never something you want to try running it on

>>60480728
Fair enough.
My CPU is under what they recommend for Overwatch and that runs like a charm. Maybe it's just well-optimized.

I can't afford all of this right now. I'm just going to upgrade the GPU to 580 and get the rest at Christmas or something. Maybe the RAM crap will be worked out by then.

I have my build more or less figured out though, I think. I appreciate the help.

>>60480707
When they say minimum, they literally mean "able to load the game". Because with my old laptop with an A4 3300M I can run Arma 3 with 10 fps on the lowest settings which looks like dog shit. The Witcher 3 is able to utilize more than 4 cores usage, which is why the 1600 would be a more valid option. GPU is more relevant for higher quality settings and resolutions, but you first need a processor capable of telling the GPU what to do.

hey lads, do I install W10 or 7 on my new ryzen desktop?

I heard about this w10 ltsb, whats the gist?

>>60480772
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmHfmrPMfgQ
Maybe it's his settings and he OC'd the CPU a bit.

>>60480807
W7 requires you to include mouse & kb drivers in the usb installer
it also blocks update on ryzen (& kabylake) so you'll have to download some workaround that is being hosted on github

LTSB is Windows 10 without the forced update and all that shit

>>60480831
so is w10 ltsb worth it for gayming?

>>60480839
It doesn't make any difference.

>>60480825
This guy is running it too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ORecRaj8gY

>>60477416
Thwy do, thwy juat started making them though.

There even is a passive cooling 1050 ti coming out

>>60480807
Install gentoo

Phenom II ancientfag here.

Fuck it, I'm going to just grab a budget POS CPU until I can upgrade it way later.

I'm going to do all the memes from this general.

>G4560 cpu
Is DDR3 RAM okay with this? Also GameDebate is a piece of trash.
>gives the 6300 from 2012 a 8/10
>gives Intel's G4560 a 1 or nothing out of 10 despite it being released a year ago

>>60481195
>Is DDR3 RAM okay with this?
no

>>60481195
>going from a 4c4t cpu to 2c4t
:/

>>60481251
what would you recommend?

i cant afford Ryzen yet. it looks like im going to just bottleneck the shit out of my GPU (which ill have for the next several years because i dont upgrade often as you can see) until the holidays

>>60481195
According to >>60480855 and >>60480825 it appears your CPU can run those games though?
G4560 is super budget, but whatever, it'll run the current games... Future games might struggle though.

PC gaming is expensive.

>>60481289
i'd recommend not spending $120 on a cpu + mobo when you're gonna end up replacing both anyway, even if it means sticking to your old CPU

>>60481300
Yeah that's what I was saying.

I'm just going to stick with what I have. Yeah it is expensive...Once I upgrade, I'll go full Ryzen meme around the holidays. I just simply cannot afford anything more than a GPU upgrade right now.

No kidding, the G4560 is even worse than what I currently have...

If it'll run the current games, can't my current CPU do so as well? The only one I haven't tested is PUBG, but I like to think that's mostly my GPU.

I guess I'll find out.

>>60481195
>Is DDR3 RAM okay with this?
No. LGA1151 socket mobos only support DDR4 RAM

>>60481329
Yeah this is what I ended up deciding. Right back where I started but it's okay because I figured out what I'm going to do later. Might even get 1600x when the time comes.

For now, 580 here I come.

You guys know if Vega will fix their compatibility issues with most new and old games? After careful reviewing I may consider getting the equivalent of a 6700k + 1080/1080ti set up with AMD
I'm poor as fuck so I've got a lot of time to think about this

>>60481459
AMD'S compatibility issues
Fuck me

>>60481459
What compatibility issue are you talking about?

>>60481481
Too late, you've already publicly leaked sensitive VEGA information.

Need some advice. I play one game, play around with Hypervisors, do Video Rendering here and there maybe every other day, and run a browser with usually 20-30 tabs open at a time.

The only game I play is a DX9 CPU intensive multi-threaded MMO. I have no idea if it's optimized for Intel or AMD more.

Hypervisors run multiple instances of said MMO, on top of running a 24/7 instance of Ubuntu Server.

I'm able to run four virtual machines running this MMO with 2 cores per CPU configured on each on top of my Ubuntu guest before my CPU slows down to a crawl (i7-4790k)

I would like to run this current setup smoothly. 4 Game Guests and 1 Ubuntu Server guests GPU power is not a problem, nor is RAM.

I'm considering a server grade CPU but I have no idea if that's a dumb idea or not.

Was considering buying two of these
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon-E5-2670-2-60GHz-8-Core-20MB-Cache-Socket-2011-Server-CPU-SR0KX-/252920285585?hash=item3ae3394991:g:YdkAAOSwWTRWz496

Would it be better or worse?

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Z77 Extreme4
Intel Core i5-3470
8GB of some kind
970 GTX 4GB

Was planning on buying 16GB ram for £80, was wondering if it would be better to buy another motherboard (and possibly cpu) instead for a little more?

>>60482028
>for a little more?
it's not gonna cost just "a little more"

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Hi everyone, first time posting in quite some time. I need advice on how to proceed from here.

Currently I've got:
>fx-6100 @ 4.0GHz
>r9 290 vapor-X
>2x4gb 1600mhz ddr3 mushkin redline ram
>SSD mushkin chronos 120gb
>HDD 1TB WD Blue
>1080p 24"

What is the next logical step forward?
>r5 1600?
>r7 1700?
>1070?
>rx 580?
>1440p?
>144hz?

Could someone help me choose a good balanced build to push something like ME3 without stutter at like 60+fps?

protip: 980 TI is still relevant today. If you're buying anything less than a GTX1080, get the 980TI. They're $300 used

>>60482079
>to push something like ME3 without stutter at like 60+fps?
If you can't do that right now then it most likely comes from your CPU because your GPU is still good by today standards.
RX 580 is a very small jump, do not do it.
Get an R5 1600, new mobo & 8GB DDR4, that will make your build runs great for a long time.

>>60481613
honestly, I think you'd be best off with an AMD Ryzen 7 1800X.

>>60482164
so which mobo will allow highest overclock for budget, something like asus prime b350 plus? Which RAM would you recommend me?

>>60482199
more like one threadripper CPU actually

How much of a performance increase is the R5 1600 compared to my i5 3570k at 4.5ghz

>>60482079
>What is the next logical step forward?
R5 1600
2x4gb 2400 mhz ddr4
120gb ssd
2tb hdd Seagate Barracuda

60hz is still viable for 1080p gaming which is what a majority of gamers use.
GPU-wise, I'd look at an RX 470 or RX 570

>>60482204
ripjaws and the flare x are the "ryzen" RAM to get. or Trident Z if you have the cash

>>60482234
when it's released, but at the moment, the Ryzen 7 would have to do. I agree though. He'd be better served waiting for the AMD Threadripper.

>>60482241
2x4gb has no future upgrade if it's mATX or mITX bard.

>>60482241
>GPU-wise, i'd look at a worst card
hmmmmmmmmmmmm

>>60482235
Not big, here is a video comparing the R7 1700 to 3570k, which performs the same in gaming as the R5 1600:
https://youtu.be/9CzG6XD9q34?t=1m15s
And this is a launch benchmark on a fresh windows install with minimal software running. Missing all the bioses updates, the new chipset drivers, the ryzen balanced performance profile, the windows update, etc etc

The big improvement will be the room left while gaming, considering even current 7400 - 7600k i5s reach 100% usage in gaming, having the two extra cores to run whatever you might wanna run without lowering your in-game performance and without causing stutter will without a doubt feel great

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Anyone here from the Netherlands or another european country were you get fucked up the ass pricewise?

I want to build a ryzen pc, but everything is so goddamn expensive. Anyone any experience with a ryzen build, what processor should I pick that has the best price performance ratio?

Im asking because its my first build. I want to do 1080p (probably 720p) gaming.

>>60482323
how much is an R5 1600?
have you considered importing your parts from france, uk or germoney? The import is not that expensive

https://www.amazon.fr/AMD-Ryzen-1700-Processeur-Ventilateur/dp/B06WP5YCX6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1495204253&sr=8-1&keywords=ryzen

>>60482371
When you import returning things on warranty can get expensive.

>>60482323
forgot to mention I have now picked:

- Ryzen 1700
- Cooler Master MasterBox 5
- Corsair Vengeance LPX - DDR4
16 GB: 2 x 8 GB - DIMM 288-PIN - 3000 MHz / PC4-24000
- I already have gpu (will upgrade in the long run) and a PSU

>>60482371
Cheapest Ryzen 1700 that I have seen here is 328 euro. Cheapest 1600 is 222 euro.

>>60482079
>What is the next logical step forward
R5 1600
1x 8bg or 2x 8gb 3000mhz Ram
cheap mobo
a bigger SSD if you see it usefull
A 580 is not worth it because you have the 290 and its still fine, if you want you can get a 1070 or waitTM for Vega like I do with my 290x
i

>>60482477
also a asus prime 350b plus motherboard

>>60482235
look here for benchmarks
https://www.computerbase.de/thema/prozessor/rangliste/

>>60482028
>>60482062
So 16 GB ram?

>>60482604
Depends. I personally wouldn't spend any money for RAM that doesn't work with newer architectures.
At your place i'd make the jump to an R5 1600 + AM4 mobo which would leave a great upgrade path for the 7nm Zen3 in 2+ years

1) Why does everyone here suggest 3000Mhz and not 3200Mhz RAM?

2) Are there any cases similar to the Corsair 750D? It's the case I have now and I want to do a new build but every other case I either hate the look of or has less features.

>>60471498

Help me /pcbg/. I'm looking for upgrade from a FX 6100 to a 8350 because I'm too poor to buy a new motherboard, ram and a intel processor.

Is that upgrade any good? I use my pc mostly for compiling, some video and image editing and a bit of indie gaming. I have a RX 470.

>>60482763
>Is that upgrade any good?
not really. Save up and buy the pieces one by one.
First thing to grab is the new processor. The best performer per dollar now is the 6 core AMD Ryzen 5 1600

Upgrade to Kaby Lake now or wait for Coffee Lake?

>>60483013
>Intel
Why? Ryzen exists.

>>60483028
Sorry, AMDrones need not apply.

>>60483039
>can't accept the truth
Intel shills really are stupid.
I don't give a shit about brands. I car about performance for the dollar. Nothing beats Ryzen at the moment.
I was actually considering an Intel i5 7500 system before Ryzen was released.

>>60483085
I'm not an Intel shill. I just utterly hate AMD as a company and all AMD products.
They're always playing catch up and they're only products I've ever had that have failed.
I want nothing to do with them.

>>60483112
I never had a problem with AMD products. I have had problems, repeatedly, with pre-built HP pc's though.
Actually, in my experience, AMD products last a long time.
And Ryzen is steps ahead of Intel's offerings so this time, Intel is playing catch up.

>>60483039
You must be quite stupid to come to this general asking for advice but not accept it when it doesn't fit your opinion.
Either you accept that you don't know as much as we do or either you think you know more than us, in which case you have no reason to come here

>>60483205
>Ryzen is steps ahead of Intel's offerings
How exactly?
For rendering maybe. But Intel performs much better for gaming and everything else.

>>60483252
I don't know where you got that idea but this is factually wrong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBKHsMar1Jo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Ovmxfejvo
https://youtu.be/JypkqwpOtNI?t=8m

Now, in two equivalent specced Intel vs Ryzen CPUs would indeed offer more performance in gaming, but it happens that Ryzen CPUs offer much better specs for the same price (although they do lack iGPUs), and as such are often a better choice than intel CPUs for gaming, R7 excluded.

Is it normal that my motherboard came in a box which wasn't sealed with tape/sticker?

>>60483294
Mine came that way too
if it's not brand new, you should be able to tell

>>60482653
Motherboard and ryzen combos seem rather expensive.

>>60483354
Well, any upgrade of CPU would be expensive because you'd have to buy RAM + mobo with it. But spending money to improve an old build already on it's knees is cost inefficient in the long run.

>>60483293
>1600
>i5

Why not test the actual flagships?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDvk9_iTq6Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy4T6JY2uB8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV682EUOOKA

>>60483382
>Why not test the actual flagships?
because for 90% of consumers, an R5 or I5 is the most they'd need.

>>60483382
Because they're not the go-to choice. The 7700k is a niche CPU for people that want the highest possible framerate, and strongest singlecore performance on 4 cores 8 threads, but that's about it. The R5 1600 offers better multithreaded, more room for anything, cost much less and doesn't need a cooler nor does it have heat issues. It might not hit as high framerates, but i'll definitely last longer as the 7700k hits quite a lot higher CPU usage during gaming, even though it has enormously high clocks.

Yes, the 7700k wins versus the r7 1700 in gaming. It also wins versus the actual flagship i7 6950x 10 cores 20 threads priced at $1600, but it's irrelevant. Neither the R7 1700 nor the 6950x are made with gaming in mind, though they both do great at it.

If you're a gamer and pick a 7700k over an R5 1600 just for gaming, even though you're not benefitting from the strengths of the 7700k, you are very retarded. The strengths of the R5 1600 do benefit the average gamer much more than the strengths of the 7700k, it's only if you need that higher framerate (144hz screen?) or strong singlecore (old singlethreaded software) that you should get it.
Otherwise, you're not only wasting money, but losing performance in the process.

>>60483460
Well I do have a 144hz screen.

>>60483478
Then get a 7700k.

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WTF Russia, using hand cream for thermal paste?

https://youtu.be/-BiMRIifhxg?t=261

>>60483496

@ 4:14

>>60483478
Pay close attention to those comparisons. The Intel chips will hit higher frame rates, but only for a split second before it's gone and the AMD's are in the lead again. The Ryzen chips are also more stable and have less CPU usage.

>>60483494
I'm considering it, but I'd like a little elaboration in regards to the question I asked. >>60483013

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>>60483524
Coffee lake isn't bringing anything new to the table spec-wise, like the i7 7740k (3.3 base 3.5 boost, aka 100mhz base higher and 0mhz boost higher). Basically slightly higher clocks and rebrands.

Get a 7700k, or 6800k if you want 6 cores.
Or wait for the 10nm dieshrink Cannonlake which will perform worse than 14nm (Kaby Lake & Coffeelake) CPUs, by intel's own claim.

And you dare criticize AMD.

>>60482258

would I want to get 2x8gb or 4x4gb ?

>>60483663
2x8 makes it easier to upgrade later.

>>60483663
whichever is cheaper. It's easier to achieve higher clock the less stick there is though.

BE QUIET! BK008 Pure Rock Slim

Any used this CPU cooler before?, I hate the look of the Evo 212.

>>60483682
> It's easier to achieve higher clock the less stick there is though.

what?how?where?when?WHY?

>>60483703
What are you so surprised about?
I've seen people say that they could achieve higher clocks with less sticks and experienced it myself. Now, no idea if it's Ryzen specific, but it's there.

>>60483795
>>60483795
>>60483795
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