/pcbg/ - PC Building General

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Intel CPU notes
>100 series chipsets (Z170, B150, ect) don't work out of the box with Kaby Lake
>Z series chipsets have an "Enhanced Turbo", which allows all cores to run at the highest single core boost clockspeed (works for Skylake CPUs as well)
>Pentium G4560 is the best price / perf four thread CPU on a modern platform
>All Kaby Lake CPUs work natively with 2400MHz DDR4 memory

General commentary
>Do not underestimate the impact of fast (>2400, e.g, 3000MHz) RAM in conjunction with a Z270 or B350/X370 series chipset, which often provides as much of a performance boost as a CPU overclock
>The only worthwhile 1080p gfx cards are the GTX 1050, RX 570, 4GB RX 580, 6GB GTX 1060 (GTX 1070 is acceptable but severe overkill)
>G4560 iGPU is fine for LoL, DOTA2, Rocket League, etc

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/22KYBP
yay or nay?

>>60384887
fucking shill retarded op again

someone make a proper thread

>>60385001

>Razer KB+M

Oh no, its retarded.

Proper thread over here

>>60385047
>>60385047

Move over

>>60385001
You probably want an aftermarket cool if you're going to try for a 3.0-4.0GHz OC

>>60385016
>>60385051
Fuck off retard

Must feel pretty bad to have the one thing that provides you pleasure in your life get taken away

>>60385001
why not taking samsung 960 nvme m.2?
your mobo has slot for it

>>60385181
Definitely. On a price to performance basis, spending an extra few dollars for faster RAM is one of most no-brainer buffs to a PC.

Memory compatibility is hit or miss with Ryzen. Check the PCBG pcpartpicker link in the OP for RAM that is confirmed working.

So what's the deal with RAM speeds on Ryzen? Will I actually see any benefits with 3200 mHz RAM on a B350 mobo?

MODS

>>60385234
One more note: The 3000MHz RAM in the suggested builds will run at 2933 with a B350 or X370 mobo

>>60385111
Most overclocked to 3.8-3.9ghz on stock with no issues. And 3.7ghz is generally the very safe clock on stock. The whole point on going r5 1600 is for it's value for money set if i were to buy an aftermarket cooler anyways might as well as go 1600x.
>>60385027
They just happen to be actually reasonably priced in my country and there's no cheaper alternative with that amount of extra buttons which i need them considering i play competitive pvp on wow and i also need the kb being mechanical.
>>60385219
I did put both that and sata ssd.

>>60384887
>http://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/
Slightly less shit than before. Still pretty shit.

>>60385290
>Most overclocked to 3.8-3.9ghz on stock with no issues
The 1600 itself can often reach those clocks (obviously the silicon lottery applies), but you can run into thermal throttling issues with the stock cooler.

>>60385304
Untangle your panties and play by the rules - delete your thread.

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How to match a CPU with a gfx card, part 1

Your builds do suck

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>>60385410
How to match a CPU with a gfx card, part 2

>>60385367
>That small Toshiba sample
Worrying desu

>>60385536

That is a very dangerous image as it skips out some technical information that is highly relevant.

>>60385553
Such as? Anyway "dangerous" is nothing but an exaggeration

>>60385427
you can probably put up to a 1080 with an i5 6600 without the cpu bottlenecking.

Anyone have experience buying Intel engineering samples? Good buy?

>>60385575

Go watch buildzoid's vids.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrwObTfqv8u1KO7Fgk-FXHQ/videos

>>60385599
Not in the case of Gears 4 at 1080p. If you're going to spend 500+USD on a gfx card you want to make sure you can use it, not that anyone should buy a GTX1080 for 1080p.

At higher resolutions like 4K the bottleneck will be pushed back to the gfx card.

Anyone tried Asrock AB350 Gaming K4 with G.Skill Flare X 16GB DDR4-3200MHz? It says that the mobo supports this kit at 3200mhz and i'm about to pull the trigger on this set.

>>60384887
Fuck off Jordan/ le falcon. You got busted shilling.

Ayy? A thread with actual helpful advice without shilling?

Better let it slide

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>>60385886
>you got busted shilling.
got some more info or something?
I am curious
but it seems as if aspies were just going reeeee
instead of having some facts

Cougar qbx? Y/n?

What's the status on Ryzen mobos, mainly mATX? Is it worth it to wait a few months to see if anything better is released?

>>60386446
the current AM4 boards are fine

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>>60386417
if you like it sure
other candidates in that price range are Sharkoon QB One if available or Sugo SG13B

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>>60385676
thats some expensive RAM, i'll cross my fingers for you too

good luck buddy

>>60386446
they are decent, but if you are not in a rush then no harm in waiting to sort some things out, on my asus prime B350M-A there is new bios every month and ram compatibility is still something you should check out

heres decent vrm overview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGrxhf_xZWI

>>60386372
go search the trips for Jordan, falcon and "Jordans laptop" (written in weeb)
He's connected them all as him. He was busted feeding false info/shilling a while back.
I don't have caps. But basically lurk moar.

>>60386454
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dWL7YJ/asrock-ab350m-pro4-micro-atx-am4-motherboard-ab350m-pro4

Is this fine?

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>>60386518
so, you saying you got nothing
I can tell you to go lurk more for proof that you mother was fucked by pack of niggers on 9/11 you just have to search for it.

You are going reeeee about this specific thread
so there must be something very wrong with stuff posted in OP post
so either show up or shut up
falcon been on /g/ developing incremental guide minimum 5 years now
you really need something better than "go lurk more"

>>60386596
Fuck off Jordan. You've been whimpering away for a month or two now from getting BTFO.
Now you come here to shill your website more, the one you run ads and product placement on. You don't even give technical information. Just Hurr durr buy this.

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Best way to give Wifi to an home PC? My box router is 7 meters away behind 2 walls.

>>60386544
The Asus boards are better

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> want to build my first pc
> spend weeks researching
> getting excited and finally decide on a build
> order all my components from "cheap" aussie website
> no update for a week
> they call and say one of the components is unavailable and I have to resubmit my whole order
> another week has passed and still no dispatch
> no doubt postage could be another 2 weeks on top

Why can't Australian businesses get their shit together? Why am I being punished for living in the world's greatest country?

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>>60386647
seriously you are new on /g/?

logicalincrement site been fine for ages, and it started on /g/ as a pic and was pinned actually as first post instead of aspie stallman
its still there in stallman posts still

I know I see occasionally falcon having a thread consulting /g/ which feels mighty fine

dunno about ads as I have ublock always on and never seen a single one there, but the whole site is all about technical info so you saying no info just underlines how retarded you are.
if he makes some extra few $ from normies so that we dont have to guide every single moron through getting correct socket... whats the issue
I would say that simple image would be better, shit got large and convoluted, but whatever

I thought you had some actual shit, like him recommending absolute bullshit for some money on the side... but seems you are just jelly cuz you are useless

falcon is pretty cool actually, at least for a dirty subhuman pajeet
and is he really named jordan? that does not sound like malaysia or indonesia or wherever the fuck he is from

now show us more how you can go reeeeeeeeeeeee with nothing but some jelly hate

>>60386678
asus has only one mATX B350 board
and it does not have heatsinks on mosfets

>>60386724
post build, we will tear it appart showing you all the mistakes you did and what you should have take
that will take your mind off the waiting and in to the magical land of regret
but you an aussie you live there

>>60386787
Well since you put it that way https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/3BnFhq

>>60386756
OK smartarse. What's there to gain for not including that link? Nothing. Why would someone 'fabricate' accusations against it?
You're only pushing for it because of finical gain.
If you knew anything you'd know the wiki was never really wanted or maintained. and that logical was only allowed to keep back the hoards of how I build a PC thread.
Now that we've got a dedicated thread we revert to keeping finical gain out of decision making.
Fuck off you dirty Jew.
>never seen ads I've got Ublock
Pffft. Never looked at the count of ads blocked have you?
15 fucking ads on that site. Tracking 4chan users. Removing their anonymity.
Die in a fire you mongoloid fuck.

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>>60386484
>tfw just got the Gigabyte gaming 3 mATX
Am I fucked for a 6 core ryzen? Can I hit at least 3.8Ghz?

>>60386870
>Why would someone 'fabricate' accusations against it?
because of hate and envy and being useless fucks who hangs out daily in build threads and the incremental guide completely replaces you with your little knowledge

funny how accusations now shrinked to "ads on website"

rreeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
rrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
rrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>15 fucking ads on that site. Tracking 4chan users. Removing their anonymity.
nigger 4chan tracks you and removes your anonymity you retarded tard

stop bumping the thread

real thread >>60385047
>>60385047
>>60385047
>>60385047

sage

obligatory not the guy you're replying to but

>>60386870
>What's there to gain for not including that link? Nothing.
>and that logical was only allowed to keep back the hoards of how I build a PC thread.

nice contradiction faggot, besides everyone still shills for logicalincrements for the tards that post along the lines of 'I have $1k and no preferences, what do' - arguably the best use for the guide

>Now that we've got a dedicated thread we revert to keeping finical gain out of decision making.

the only 'we' is you, hell after trying to search for any evidence of said shilling I can only find posts that I also suspect are you

>If you knew anything you'd know the wiki was never really wanted

nor were general/consumer technology threads, welcome to /g/

>Pffft. Never looked at the count of ads blocked have you?
>15 fucking ads

try opening the logger next time, 2 for a url shortening/cdn service, two for google analytics (with another for a youtube link), 2 for disqus, two for doubleclick and one for an ip geolocation tool

boo hoo they have analytics, use a standard ad network, and disqus for comments, nothing that literally no other site uses and nothing malicious like some of the ads 4chan has ran in the past

>Removing their anonymity.

you lose far more fucking anonymity through google's captcha posting here, dipshit

>Why would someone 'fabricate' accusations against it?

yes why would ANYONE on /g/ do that? by the way ryzen is shit & 7700k best cpu also ublock only hides ads use adblock for the superior adblocking technology

and for some other retarded shit you've said

>>60386647
>You don't even give technical information.

it's a parts list guide not a fucking review site, not that review sites do anything other than reading off of specsheets

>>60385886
>You got busted shilling

seriously just tell us the post number where he got caught shilling and we can go find it in ourselves, do you have any idea how difficult it is to search for a 4chan posts?

What's a good case if I don't give a shit about size?

VR Gaymen, regular Gaymen, and general PC use.
No Editing, Streaming, or Recording.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nJTsf8

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>>60387962
enthoo evolv

>>60387994
whats with the fans?
case comes with fans, cpu cooler too
for that money rather up the ssd to 512 GB

>>60388113
Didn't know the case came with stock fans, but I want a liquid cooled build.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HPdsf8

How does this look?

>>60388190
>i5
1600 exists, you know.

First time building a PC, how shitty is this:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4HPQYr

>>60388212
Quite shitty.

>>60388212
Are you buying an operating system?

When Ryzen ram issues will be fixed? I want to buy my build already but I have no idea which b350 mobo and ram should I buy to get everything working.

>>60388268
I have a Win7 disc already

So I know this thread is for actual hardware builds, however I've been having a lot of fun lately building PC's. First my own, then helping out some friends and colleagues. I've been thinking of taking the next step, trying to actually customize cases, water cooling loops and wiring. I know where to get the parts and all that, I'm just wondering if anyone here could help me out with what kind of tools that would be helpful. Mostly tools for making modifications to the case itself, like airbrushes and cutting tools/drills and so on.

>>60388212
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4HPQYr
Fixed it for you
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7p46VY
Will play most things at Ultra/High at 60fps 1080p.
Alternatively if you plan to multitask or do other productivity work video editing etc consider saving up to 1000-1200$ for the value for money ryzen build for mixed use.

Hey I have one of the old Corsair HX series power supplies. I was very happy with it, however I'm getting some coil whine with my new GPU so I was thinking I'm due for a replacement.

Are Corsair still legit? (I remember they were manufactured by Seasonic or something). What range provides good bang for buck? Is the energy rating worth going above gold? platinum seems to garner a high price.

R8 my poorfag build m8

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/pmXPHN

>its got a dvd drive

Yes, i have a libarary of old games i love.

>its not got an ssd

Yes, i enjoy watching clouds from my window now and then while stuff loads

>>60388207
I know, but I want finally do a mini itx build.

>>60388555
>https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/pmXPHN
Drop mobo to b250
Drop ram down to 2400mhz
Get gpu up to rx 570 4gb since freesync is cheaper so cheaper good monitors in the future.
Replace PSU with the seasonic 520W one at around the same price. Consider wifi usb over wifi network card. The reason ssd's are recommended often is because they fail way less often than hdd's and are always considered a worth investment since most people end up keeping them throughout builds.

>>60388630
I'll look into that

Cheers /g/ bro

>>60388512
I'm not really sure but I heard that Intel stuff is really expensive. Won't this cost a lot to upgrade later?

>>60388772
The g4560 is the best value for money option for gaming at that price range. Probably by the time you want to upgrade maybe you'll find some used cpu's on that socket but still not worth putting anything better on that mobo so you'd probably upgrade mobo/cpu altogether which allows you to buy whatever. The rest fits to any build really, you can play on the g4560 build for now and by the time you decide to upgrade there will be freesync2 zen+ and next gen of mid-tier amd gpu's so you'll be able to pull off a great build then too. If you don't mind waiting(tm) maybe consider waiting to see if ryzen 3 is better value for money than g4560 at that price range which if that actually happens then definitely consider it since the AM4 mobos have a nice lineup of upgrades coming up in the future.

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>>60388555
you could make awesomely small build
definitly drop ATX and at least go to mATX case

check this british guy build
https://smallformfactor.net/forum/threads/black-opal-a-little-seen-sffpc-case.2077/

>>60385001
The video card seems good, but I'd choose a cheaper 580 8GB if there's one available (maybe consider a 1060 6gb).

Your hard drive setup seems weird but you do you I guess.

Get that shitty Razer keyboard out of there and buy something with proper Cherry MX or Gateron switches.

Prioritize getting a better CPU cooler over case fans.

The motherboard you have selected doesn't have very good reviews. Try finding a different one.

>>60387962

Define R5.

Which has better temperatures and which one has better portability, the Cooler Master Elite 110 or the Fractal Design Node 202?

>>60389242
avoid cooler master
the position of PSU is terrible
people report very high temps

>>60387266
Shut up retard. THIS is the real thread. Check the times that threads were posted. This one was posted first.

>>60386870
>You're only pushing for it because of finical gain.
You love conspiracy theories don't you? I (the OP) have no connection to LogicaIncrements. I included it in the OP because (as you've been repeatedly told) it has some history on /g/. Additionally, it serves as second voice along with my PCBG pcpartpicker link.

Turns out you're too retarded to live, so I'll be here posting OPs that make you shit your pants until you fuck off.

>>60389305
why dont u remove the logical increments links if its the only thing bothering them

Uh, is the backplate for securing the cooler on a AM4 board supposed to be removable? Should there even be a backplate on a AM4?

Got a MSI X370 Krait to go with my new Ryzen, but even with the conversion kit my Cryorig H5 seems like it won't be secure. The screws that go into the holes on the backplate don't secure it tightly to the board at all.

hey, popped in due to a few ppl telling me to say something in onionirc. check tripcode, guys.

The OP is fine. But logicalincrements is retarded and nonsensical, and the whole thing about "worthwhile gfx cards" is always going to be missing nuance.

All the redditfags calling this a "shill post" really don't have any self-awareness. Lurk more.

you can find me on oIRC #linux usually. or a related channel.

>>60389400
youve seen this right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ojR_kJde_E

assuming its similar for h5m you use standoffs and screw from the bottom

>>60389366
It's not the only thing. First, the complaints mostly come from one assblasted autist who is used to controlling the OP. If you look through the thread I get called a shill repeatedly and they claim (without commentary) that the pcpg builds I posted are "shit", "suck", etc. Anyway, just read the posts like this one >>60386870 are you can see that there's no argument against it except conspiracy theories and complaints about ads that 99% of us never see. It's nothing but some retard saying "die in a fire!!1!" because he's so assblasted.

>>60389454
Mine's a H5 so it uses a different bracket. The kit doesn't come with a backplate and nowhere in the instructions does it show a backplate, instead it shows the holes on the board itself rather than on any kind of backplate like with my current board.

Where can I get a good overview of the roadmap for CPUs and GPUs? I want to figure out whether I should stay on the fence or buy now, but I'd rather get informed instead of just asking for spoonfeeding

>>60386647
>>60386518
>>60385886
You're clearly calling multiple posters "Jordan." Is this some kind of "t. Jordan" meta meme?

>>60389523
>>60389400
well dunno then, to answer your initial question, yes the backplate on am4 is suppose to be removable, I had to removed it to install the bundled cooler
and yes there should be backplate as some heatsinkns use it
I am waiting for am4 kit for my cooler master evo
thats when backplate goes back on and evo uses that to securing itself

>>60389366
>>60389475
There's also the part picker link that he's slipping i3', 3gb 1060's, and it allows him to do product placements.
This go's against both the advice and recommendations of what many threads prior have had.

"CPUs:
>G4560 for budget builds (<$500) unless G4620/i3-7100 is heavily discounted
>R5 1500X will keep above 60fps in every game. No i5
>R5 1600 is the best value for higher fps gaming and mixed usage; 1600x if you don't want to OC
>i7-7700k is bad value but good; may have heat issues even at stock clocks
>R7/Xeon for compute/multitask/mixed use. R5 if budget

Graphics:
>G4560 iGPU is fine for LoL, dota2, rocket league, etc
>1050Ti/RX560 for ~$105. Must drop settings for 60hz if not Freesync/Gsync on many games.
>RX570 4GB - 1080p@60+hz, running most maxed; older games at 144+hz
>RX580 8GB - 1440p@60+hz, inject SMAA and drop settings for some games
>1060 - Gets outperformed by the RX 580; consider only if AMD is not an option (ie CUDA)
>1070 - usually not worth the extra cost for Gsync
>1080 - 1080p@90-144+hz maxed; 1440p at lower hz.
>1080Ti - 1440p@90-144+hz; 4k@60hz in SOME games, more at lower settings
>Freesync2 & Vega soon."

This is what he wishes to remove, as it makes him and his site invalid. He is not here to assist, but to try to have some sort of either relevance or financial gain.

>>60389577
He's linked several trips as him. They are all the same person.

>>60389042
>The video card seems good, but I'd choose a cheaper 580 8GB if there's one available (maybe consider a 1060 6gb).
Waiting for vega to be released first to see how that turns out, Nitro+ is well priced here.
>Get that shitty Razer keyboard out of there and buy something with proper Cherry MX or Gateron switches.
Repeating the answer from my other reply: They just happen to be actually reasonably priced in my country and there's no cheaper alternative with that amount of extra buttons which i need them considering i play competitive pvp on wow and i also need the kb being mechanical. Plus i've tried that wristrest thing that comes with it and it is great, it isn't that kind of plastic shit that will get very dirty and get filled with sweat during summer and is very comfy also i need the kb to have rgb lighting because i play with the lights off and i want to be able to see the letters on the buttons but i'm also considering droping the razer kb for a Razer Orbweaver Chroma which is also rather specificly made for keybind heavy use but i'm too used to using a keyboard for my binds and macros so i'm still mainly thinking about the keyboard option, if you know a better option with those features or mostly those features at a better price >in greece< i'll go for that w/o a second thought but since i have already searched for alternatives in price comparison sites i've found that my best option for a mechanical keyboard with the afformentioned features at a budget is that kb.
>Prioritize getting a better CPU cooler over case fans.
I'm getting those 2 fans for 8euros in greece, the ryzen stock cooler which is a Wraith Spire cooler is only worth replacing for a ~50$-tier cpu cooler.
>The motherboard you have selected doesn't have very good reviews. Try finding a different one.
I know did research myself and ended up on Asrock AB350 Gaming K4 which according to the qvl will support G.skill Flare X 3200mhz memory at 3200mhz speed.

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>>60389586
Maybe this can help illustrate

The screws that came in the kit leave a space between the board and the fat cylinders on the crews, so there's a space that makes the backplate not secure.

I'm not sure if I'm supposed to use something to fill in the space or not

>>60389475
>they claim (without commentary) that the pcpg builds I posted are "shit", "suck", etc
Well i kinda agree with them: No RX 480 / 580 / GTX 1060 in your saved builds & favorite parts, no R5 1600(x) in there either, favorite parts includes three i3 with one costing $170

Replacing all the informations we have in the OP for this, i can understand the backlash

>>60389042
>>60389618cont
>Your hard drive setup seems weird but you do you I guess.
SSD sata for windows and alot of games that don't have to load huge maps
M.2 for WoW for fast load times and productivity work
Will probably get a 3tb over 1tb hdd now that i think about it. I have a huge library of stuff i need terabytes of memory to save them on.

>>60389661
well they are pretty shallow on my asus mobo
here it can be seen how stock cooler is put on

https://youtu.be/NMn-9V3WbCw?t=3m24s

I guess you are using backplate, but screws come from cryorig, dont they also include some stand offs?

In the future, let's all agree to this list for recommended CPUs
>Pentium G4560
Cheap 1080p Gaming
>Core i3-7300/7350K
Emulation/Older Games
>Ryzen 5 1400
Cheap Overclocking/Workstation
>Core i5-7500
Mid-range 1080p Gaming/Workstation
>Core i5-7600K
Mid-range Overclocking/Gaming
>Ryzen 5 1600
>Ryzen 7 1700
Multi-core workstation AND NOTHING ELSE
>Core i7-7700K
Best Gaming CPU on the market
>Core i7-6900K
>Core i7-6950X
Best Workstation on the market

>>60385367
How does Mushkin compare in terms of failure rates.

>>60389762
How would any standoffs help? Anyway, the instructions say to use those screws, but the backplate ends up loose.

>>60389821
>>Core i3-7300/7350K
>Emulation/Older Games
Disagree, 2 cores is too shit, not worth at all

>Core i5-7500
>Mid-range 1080p Gaming/Workstation

meh

>Core i5-7600K
>Mid-range Overclocking/Gaming
Nope. i5s are complete and utter shit, why the fuck would you recommend them?


>Ryzen 5 1600
>Ryzen 7 1700
Multi-core workstation AND NOTHING ELSE
What the fuck? Are you braindead or something? The r5 1600 shits on anything i5, and the R7 1700 is a great cpu for mixed usages (gaming / video encoding / streaming), they aren't just for compiling the linux kernel

>Core i7-6900K
>Core i7-6950X
Best Workstation on the market
You should note that both are never ever worth the price when the R7 1700/1800x exists

Your opinions are very different than ours, you shouldn't really bother lad.

>>60389608
>go's
You're a fucking moron.

>There's also the part picker link that he's slipping i3', 3gb 1060's, and it allows him to do product placements.
Literally retarded. There are no amazon or affiliate links in the pcbg pcpartpicker. Go back to /pol/ with your conspiracy theories

Anyway you're factually incorrect. No where in my builds (the pcbg pcpartpicker) is the 3GB 1060 recommended. It was previously recommend because of Oculus' officially stated minimum system requirements. Those have now been dropped further to the 960 on Oculus' website, which is why I include the 1050Ti in the "Minimum VR" build.

Regarding the i3 suggestion that is buried in the description of some of the cheaper builds, there is no other worthwhile CPU at the $110 price range and the higher clockspeed has a significant impact on minimums, especially with AMD's gfx cards. But I've already explained all this.

>This go's against both the advice and recommendations of what many threads prior have had.
The only thing it goes against is YOUR (poorly) handcrafted OP. Anyway this style of OP was around long before yours. Daddy's home!

>He's linked several trips as him. They are all the same person.
I'm saying that you're calling multiple posters Jordan IN THIS THREAD, retard. I know because you called me Jordan and someone else as well. Fuck off to /pol/ with your conspiracy theories

>>60389916
same as they help on the video I posted here>>60389454
maybe the term standoff is wrong, spacer would be better?

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>>60389821
>Core i5-7600K
>Mid-range Overclocking/Gaming
>Ryzen 5 1600
>Ryzen 7 1700
>Multi-core workstation AND NOTHING ELSE
>pic related

>>60389821

How many articles have you written for Toms Hardware?

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>>60389821

go to the other thread for a proper advice.
sage

>>60389821
How much does this pay?
I am a 3rd world country neet and i would like to enlist as a proffessional shill, please i work at low pay 200$ a month is more than enough i'll shill anything i'll even recommend i5 7500 over r5 1600 for budget builds please let me work for you.

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Just got a new job, gonna blow the first paycheck on a new build

How meaningful an upgrade can I get from this with ~900 USD?
Is there anything I should be waiting on to come out?

>>60389928
>2 cores is too shit
Emulation and older games are single-threaded or don't use more than four threads at once. Clock speed matters more than core count

> i5s are complete and utter shit
>The r5 1600 shits on anything i5
No, Ryzen 5s are utter shit at anything apart from multi-threaded applications. Core i5s represent the best possible balance of single-threaded IPC, power consumption, and core count. A Core i5-7500 troubles a Ryzen 5 1600 in Adobe Aftereffects CC, despite having two less cores and a third of the threads, but you get a much better gaming experience out of the Core i5-7500 due to its stronger cores.

>You should note that both are never ever worth the price when the R7 1700/1800x exists
The 1700/1800X are not worth the money for serious content creators. Not enough PCIe lanes, not enough memory channels for memory-intensive programs, not enough stability for higher memory speeds, buggy firmware, etc. No one can argue that Broadwell-E and the X99 platform represents the best workstation platform in existence. Ryzen 7 and the X370 are not competitive enough to touch Intel's HEDT. THIS IS NOT DEBATABLE.

Is Ryzen 1600 better choice than locked 7700?

>>60390044
this is a bait. no one is that retarded

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>>60390044
>you get a much better gaming experience out of the Core i5-7500 due to its stronger cores
Yeah...

>>60390047
Absolutely not. The Core i7-7700 is simply better at some multi-threaded programs, but better in all single-threaded programs and games.

>>60389821
Ultra Cheap gaymen
>pentium g4560
>fx-4300

Emulation/Old Games
>Ryzen 1400/i3 7350k/Raven Ridge when it comes out

Cheap Overclocking/Workstation/Gaming
>Ryzen 1500x/1600

Mid-range 1080p Gaming/Workstatin
>Ryzen 1600/i5-7600k

Mid Range Overclocking/Gaming
>Ryzen 1600/1700/i5-7600k

Multi Core Workstation/Also gaming
>Ryzen 1700

Best Gaming CPUs on the market
>Ryzen 1600
>Ryzen 1700
>i5-7600k
>i7-7700k

Best workstation on the market
>Ryzen 1800
>i7-6950x
>i7-6900k


fixed your list senpai

>>60390047
for the price yes, the 7700 is still the top CPU but only by a fucking minute hair thickness

>>60390069
>cherrypicking
This is all AMDrones can do to defend their shitty, weak CPUs.

>>60390023
For 900, you can redo the whole thing from the ground up. But if you want spoonfeeding, I'd get a mobo, cpu, gpu, SSD. Check what's cheap where you are.

what is your go to real life stress test in linux?
>build firefox from source
>build kernel from source
>build qt from source
any others?

>>60390095
My choices are
>7700 non-K + 1070
or
>1600 + cheapest Vega

Not really sure what should I choose. I have 1080p tv so I don't really care about 4k memes but I want this build to handle games on high/ultra at 60fps for few more years.

>>60390092
>recommending the FX-4300
>recommending the 1400 when the Core i3 is objectively better than it at everything
>recommending any Ryzen for gaming
>believing that the 1800X comes close to the connectivity and power for the 2011-v3 socket CPUs

How much is AMD paying you again?

>>60390128
prime95

>>60389936
Again, you're not looking after the buyers best interest. You're just spitting out specs recommended elsewhere. In no mind you pay attention to if that hardware is of any use in future.
Yes it has been recommended prior, but not for VR. Because VR in its self is expensive, and hardware intensive for anything more than a wii game.
Users would have more enjoyment from a 3DS than that sit tier build that would require another several hundred dollars for a headset.
>Daddy's home!
How long have you been sucking your own cock?

>>60390128
never thought about it, but i dont stress test in linux

Would I regret buying an ultrawide 21:9 Monitor?

It's only $250

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01B9IDLAW/ref=psdc_1292115011_t2_B01BV1XB2K

Dual 25" would only cost $300

https://www.amazon.com/LG-25UM58-P-25-Inch-21-UltraWide/dp/B01BV1XB2K/ref=sr_1_17?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1494779039&sr=1-17&keywords=4k+monitor

>>60390141
my 1600 + 1070 runs all the latest games at 1440p 60hz

>>60390142
>recommending the 1400 when the Core i3 is objectively better than it at everything

Citation needed.

>recommending any Ryzen for gaming
Getting some intel shill vibes here, but tell me why ryzen isnt good for gaming.

>believing that the 1800X comes close to the connectivity and power for the 2011-v3 socket CPUs

1800x is one of the best workstation CPUs you can buy right now.

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I want to spend 500$ on a new desktop computer.

My main goal is too practice building computers and get linux on it to get it started up.

What should I get for basic stuff?

>>60390044
>Emulation and older games are single-threaded or don't use more than four threads at once. Clock speed matters more than core count

>or don't use more than four threads at once
Yes, i5s/R5s have four real cores, which is why they are superior at it

>No, Ryzen 5s are utter shit at anything apart from multi-threaded applications
>you get a much better gaming experience out of the Core i5-7500 due to its stronger cores.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBKHsMar1Jo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Ovmxfejvo
https://youtu.be/JypkqwpOtNI?t=8m
Sure thing pal, that's why i5s reach 85%+ CPU usage with frequent spikes to 100% even in 2 years old AAA games? That's why the R5 1600 shit out more fps at lower CPU usage & power consumption?

>no one can argue that Broadwell-E and the X99 platform represents the best workstation platform in existence.
No one argued that this wasn't the case, but the Ryzen cpus offer a very cheap alternative for those that make use of the extra cores. Sure, there's not as much PCIe lanes or memory channels, but those thing are more for high end professional that are going to buy the best of the best anyway. Say you're a streamer, or amateur video editor, going Broadwell-E would be retarded.

Do you happen to be the OP by any chance?

>>60390261
G4560

>>60390205
>tell me why ryzen isnt good for gaming
You pay more for a 1600 versus a i5-7500, but get 90% of the performance in nearly every single game
You pay $200 more for an 1800X versus a 7700K and get 80% of it's performance in all games
>1800x is one of the best workstation CPUs you can buy right now.
You need to stop lying. The 1800X is not even worth a fraction of its price when it comes to content and media creation or CAD. There is simply not enough PCIe lanes to support more than one graphics card on top of additional cards like 10/40GbE NICs, HBA/RAID cards, or other input cards. All it has going for it is the eight cores at a lower price, but that price comes at the cost of less overall performance, less connectivity options, less memory bandwidth, less stability, etc.
The 1800X and 1700/X are garbage CPUs that should NEVER be considered on the same tier as the GOAT Core i7 HEDT platforms.

>>60390307
>You pay more for a 1600 versus a i5-7500
But you don't?

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quick question
why people talk about emulation like is some serious category requiring special care and adjustment

even VR is bit silly but makes bit sense

>>60390356
because it's very cpu dependent and a deciding factor for some gamers.

>>60390293
thx daddy

>>60390356
Because more than enough people still want to play PS2 and Wii/Wii U games on their PCs. Ryzens are complete garbage when it comes to this category, so of course an AMD shill like you would call it into question.

>>60390307
>but get 90% of the performance in nearly every single game
What planet are you living on where an i5 7500 shits on an R5 1600? please watch a few benchmarks videos lad, and try not to cherrypick
The R5 1600 shits even on the 7600k: slightly higher performance but much more room left while doing so and much much better multithreaded performance
You don't get 90% of the performance, you get 110% in games and 150%+ in multithreaded workloads

>anyone that makes use of more core also wants to run multiple GPU and a multitude of other PCIe extension cards
No, anon, some people just need the same thing as the average people do, but with more cores

>>60389856
Unless blackblaze uses the drive, you're going to have a hard time finding out.

>>60389821
Not a great list. i5s are defunct now that the 4c/8t Ryzen chips are out.

>>60389999
I'm laughing at you so hard right now. I'm going to make it my personal mission to fuck up your already shitty days with my OP.

>>60389684
>No RX 480 / 580 / GTX 1060 in your saved builds & favorite parts
The most common recommendation is the RX 570, and the descriptions say that the gfx card can be upgraded to the 4GB 580 or 6GB 1060. Not a valid complaint.

>>60390147
>you're not looking after the buyers best interest.
Actually I am. What I'm really doing is helping other users in the same way that Logical Increments and /pcbg/ helped me so long ago. I'm continuing to post refined, sensible example builds (particularly price/perf) for anons to use as templates or examples.

>You're just spitting out specs recommended elsewhere.
Not everyone uses HMDs for gaming. There are plenty of professional applications as well that don't require more than a light gfx card and the proper USB + HDMI / DP connections. Unfortunately you're too myopic to realize that without me explaining it to you.

>>60390383
>Ryzens are complete garbage when it comes to this category
Wow lad i sure HATED playing through Wind Waker HD on my R7 1700 while recording it & putting the load on the CPU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAnyFmU7bPI&t=1441s
Sure is a SHIT cpu, christ!

And you dare to call other shills

>>60390307
>You pay more for a 1600 versus a i5-7500, but get 90% of the performance in nearly every single game

This is a lie that can be disproven with a simple google search.

>You pay $200 more for an 1800X versus a 7700K and get 80% of it's performance in all games

You don't get the 1800x for gaming you retard. You get the r7 which is cheaper than the i7.

>You need to stop lying.
But you are the one who is lying. Also why would you compare the 1800x with an i7 when the r7 is clearly meant to be its competitor.

>>60390405
the shilling is real. your builds are absolutely terrible. please educate yourself first if you want people to take you seriously.

>>60390367
>>60390383
the thing i have never ever meet someone like that in real life
and even on niche places like /g/ or techie subreddits its rarity to see it mentioned
but whatever, keep polluting the lists for 0.002% of users of which 80% know exactly what category hardware they need

take a poo on the street. think things over. cool off

>>60390446
>announcing reports

Enjoy your ban.

>>60390475
>announcing you report
kek

>>60390261
Check the pcbg pcpartpicker link in the OP.

>>60390168
Depends on your use. That monitor has a fairly low refresh rate and the Freesync range sucks.

>>60390047
Depends on your use and whether you want to OC. For multithreaded applications like Excel obviously even the stock 1600 will be better. For gaming a slight OC is required to achieve parity. Additionally, the AM4 platform has a much better upgrade path (+>30% theoretical perf on an 8c/16t CPU compared to the 6c/12t 1600) and the 1600 is way cheaper.

>>60390444
Please stop using the word shill if you want people to take you seriously.

>>60390405
>the descriptions say that the gfx card can be upgraded to the 4GB 580 or 6GB 1060. Not a valid complaint.
>oh wow it's in the description so don't worry it's not valid
My lad you pretend that your list is a good list but you can't even bother making builds for those and instead put it in the description

Also please just fuck off with this saved link. You made the list, with your account, so there is only you that can modify it based on what you think. This is obviously not right, this is a general made by and for /pcbg/, you shouldn't hold that much power when it comes to the informations that people get

So next thread we'll go back to previous OP. The old format where anyone could (and did) change the OP based on what he thought was much better, it created actual discussion and in the end we had pretty good basic informations to help people start with their build. Your OP obviously doesn't offer such advantages.

>>60390461
emulation is a popular thing now with cemu and dolphin being pretty good. you are out of touch.

>>60390520
or you are part of really niche group and think that terms like cemu and dolphin should tell people something
and again, if you are in to emulation you know what kind of cpu you need

>next on the build list, adding old sandybridge hardware for debian users
because they dont know they will have issues with the latest shit, right?

>>60390567
that's not true /v/ is retarded when it comes to hardware they were laughing and meme arrowing me when I said g6450 was an optimal budget cpu for emulation

We finally got rid of the shill thread
About damn time

>>60390044
>The 1700/1800X are not worth the money for serious content creators. Not enough PCIe lanes, not enough memory channels for memory-intensive programs, not enough stability for higher memory speeds, buggy firmware, etc. No one can argue that Broadwell-E and the X99 platform represents the best workstation platform in existence. Ryzen 7 and the X370 are not competitive enough to touch Intel's HEDT. THIS IS NOT DEBATABLE.

intel has amd beat on pcie lanes and x99 is fantastic for memory performance but you're doing a disservice by taking cpu performance entirely out of the equation, there is a reason why broadwell-e has another cpu in the lineup over haswell-e

not to mention the x99 chipset is shit if you want chipset lanes (i.e., m.2 slots), although the upcoming x299 looks to be an incredible chipset

t. buttmad 5820k owner that doesn't need 40 pcie lanes for gpu rendering nor memory performance in niche tasks that would be better suited to xeons

>>60390282
>>Emulation and older games are single-threaded or don't use more than four threads at once. Clock speed matters more than core count
>>or don't use more than four threads at once

>Yes, i5s/R5s have four real cores, which is why they are superior at it

I get where you're coming from, but if you don't need multicore performance the high end i3s are better than the i5s stock, the i3-7350k has the same single core performance as the 7700k which makes all the difference when doing something like emulating ps2/gamecube games at high resolutions; not even the 7600k gets there with turbo

there's very little reason to get a non-overclockable i5 over the high end i3s (especially given that the i3-7350k is overclockable) outside of having a better all rounder (modern) gaming pc, this might change when i5s get multithreading but the case always has been that i3s are comparable to the best i7s (non-hedt) in single core performance

agreed with the rest of the post though

>>60390642
But you are in a shill thread

>>60390674
You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain

>42 posters
>157 replies

How much do you wanna most of these replies are from the same sperg whos ruined the last few /pcbg/ threads

>>60390737
it's obvious. he's getting paid for that

>>60388190
Bad - CPU won't work in the mobo unless it is flashed, and that can't happen unless you already have a Skylake CPU.

For mITX wait for Ryzen mobos coming soon, get a 200 series chipset, or get a Skylake CPU.

>>60388212
Do not buy the AM3+ platform.

>>60388313
They're getting better. If you do a little research you can easily find decently priced 3000MHz RAM to go with Ryzen.

>>60388467
You can probably get access to a laser cutter at your local makerspace.

>>60388555
Definitely get a PSU with 2 x 6+2pin connectors, just in case you ever want a gfx card that requires them.

>>60390023
Basically the only things you want to keep are the storage drives. You can use the SSD you have as your boot drive and buy another for games. Check the OP for builds

>>60390516
>you can't even bother making builds for those
No shit, retard. The 570 and 580 are only 10-15% different. Why would I clutter up the build list?

>only you that can modify it based on what you think
Correct. Look at the mouth breathers in this thread, particularly you and "i'm gong to screem shill and jordan until i'm horse" previous OP. Of course I'm not going to let you touch those builds.

>The old format where anyone could (and did) change the OP based on what he thought was much better
More likely that a single person changed the OP and even reverted any other anon's changes, just like he's trying to do now.

Best AM4 mobo?

>>60390808
asrock taichi

>>60390802
>Why would I clutter up the build list?
Because it's absurdly small?
Why remove all the informations of the OP for a shitty build list that has much less informations?

>Look at the mouth breathers in this thread, particularly you and "i'm gong to screem shill and jordan until i'm horse" previous OP
You're confusing me with someone else anon

>More likely that a single person changed the OP and even reverted any other anon's changes, just like he's trying to do now.
No, there were at least 4 persons modifying the OP in the past two weeks, me included
Two of them were shilling hard (one for Intel saying anything Ryzen was worthless, one for AMD saying anything intel was worthless) while the two others were just modification to add more informations

The fact that you think your opinion is above everone else's is kinda shitty anon, i don't know what you are doing in this thread considering it's been made to help uninformed anons to make good purchase instead of uninformed bad ones.

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>>60390307
> You pay more for a 1600 versus a i5-7500, but get 90% of the performance in nearly every single game
and also so much breathing space

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Hello, I posted in the other thread but it 404'd.
Here is the build I plan to make but I am unsure on the mobo. Is it good or is there anything better for this price? I plan to OC but I don't know the intricacies.

>tfw you have designed the perfect ryzen gaming build but shills try to persuade you to shackle you to intel

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jLdcr7

>>60384887
I want to use a slim case with an external 5.25 and a 3.5 slot for a Blu-ray M-Disc writer and a sata card reader. I want to have a 1050 ti because of its price to performance ratio, 64GB DDR4, 2tb 3.5 5400rpm, and a UHD Display. All under 1000. Can I do it?

>>60390912
I doubt what you are getting is fit for what you are doing
Unless you make use of the 8 cores, you should drop that to an R5 1600 which has still plenty of room left because of it's 6 cores

x370 are more for SLI/Xfire users, or extreme overclockers (those that get R7 1700x/1800x for the higher binning).

You'd get much better performance by downgrading that motherboard to a b350 and getting a good $30 ~ $40 cooler. Also, don't count on overclocking past the boost clock on an R7 1700 with stock cooler, it won't happen unless the CPU isn't under much load.

>>60390952
And an Intel 6700k

>>60390912
>Hello, I posted in the other thread but it 404'd.
It didn't just 404; it was pruned or deleted, as it should have been.

Make sure that the RAM is compatible.

>>60391010
>as it should have been.
yours should have been deleted anon
youre not helping anyone here

Does anyone know of the smallest case that can fit a CPU cooler 170mm tall, a PSU 170mm long and a full size ATX motherboard?

Smallest i could find so far is the CM HAF XB EVO but that still a big case.

What the fuck do I do with my NVME SSD then?

>>60390952
That is an awkward build. 99% chance you don't need all that RAM and your gfx card choice is stupid for 4K, considering you can either spend less if all you want is a display out or you need to spend more to play anything remotely recent

>>60391062
Use it for OS if you want, but it's not faster than a regular SSD for OS stuff
You should've gotten a bigger regular SSD

>>60391092
I already have a regular SSD.

>>60390307
R5 1600 BUILD $1235.63
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jTbWd6
i5 7500 BUILD $1603.11
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XMG7BP
Does shilling job pay enough to buy those intel builds?

>>60391130
anon stop shitposting

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/CrepeArcana/saved/2HtTWZ


Rate please, first time build

>>60390912
1. B350 mobo would save you money for example PRIME B350-PLUS

2. here is kingston ryzen compatibility list
https://media.kingston.com/pdfs/hx-product-memory-ddr4-amd-ryzen-and-hx-compatibility-us.pdf

probably gskill has similar, or take kingston

3. dont trust people telling you drop cores, you are getting high end gpu, you can afford extra on 1700

>>60391010
literally 75% of posts in this thread is the same guy defending his shitty site and builds

>>60391190
so how does it run this past year?
pretty shitty aint it?

>>60391243
I worded that wrong, I havent even built it yet or bought it. Is it that bad?

>>60391312
its old components
I am actually selling that cpu and heatsink next week as I got new ryzen build

>>60391190
>i5
>$200 motherboard
Get a 6 cores R5 1600 instead, performs slightly better at the same price but has much more room left, and it never reaches higher than 60% usage in gaming while the i5 often gets 100% usage spikes, hovering around 85% most of the time. The CPU cooler isn't needed for it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBKHsMar1Jo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Ovmxfejvo
https://youtu.be/JypkqwpOtNI?t=8m
Don't get an expensive motherboard unless you actually need the features it offers (more PCIe lanes, more PCIe slots, more sata ports, SLI / Xfire, Wifi, etc)

You might wanna get a 256/512GB SSD with it, which is easily doable after dropping the CPU cooler & saving money on the motherboard


What is it for, by the way?

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Pump died sure to lazy maintenance so installing new pump res and rigid tubing

>>60391425
must be so annoying to maintain

>>60391360
Its mostly for gaming

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>>60391232
>literally 75%

>>60391069
I'm using it for editing though.

>>60391505
editing what exactly?

>>60391493
You're not buying a new GPU with it?
Unless you planned to buy that awful 770 or something?

memes aside is there any situation where an 8350 or any of the variations still makes sense? especially for around the 100 dollar mark?
obviously gaming is right the fuck out, but what about for like a budget stream capture rig, virtualization, budget editing, anything like that?

>>60391425
>2 120mm rads in the front
what the fuck is happening here

>>60391549
It does decent on streaming but it's hardly a good purchase because of 0 upgrade path & DDR3

>>60390894

>ashes of the singularity

That game should not be used for cpu comparisons that have different thread counts - it alters some settings (mainly shadows) depending on number of detected threads and you can't force it.

>>60391544
getting a gpu from friend

>>60391425
Yeah it takes like a few days every 6 months to clean everything out and disassemble

>>60391593
Which one is it? And is it for free?

>>60391577
no not as a game+stream build but as a dedicated capture rig, as is game on another computer encode on the 8350
seems like a great deal for that kind of use for 100 bucks, but i could be wrong
im really just kinda interested to see if there are any interesting niche uses for it in today's day and age

>>60391574
Because rad manufactures don't put in/outlets on the long side, so have to use 2x120's sideways

>>60391549
if you poor its not like you got a choice
and actually recent benches are showing that its equal or better than i5 sandybridge for modern game titles

its not ideal, but poorfags will poor
but if thats only cpu for $100, its stupid choice imo

>>60391608
Im using 770 bc friend upgraded his pc and had the old one on hand

>>60391610
Unless you're getting it secondhand it'd be better to spend the money for an R7 1700 (or better) instead

>>60391662
>obviously gaming is right the fuck out
im asking about other things, virtualization, editing, compiling, hosting, encoding, shit like that really
i fully understand that there are way better choices for gaming, ie. fucking pentiums

>>60391677
For a gaming PC a 770 is very very meh. If you're spending $200 on a CPU, you should also spend $200 on a GPU. You'd get better gaming perf by going for a $50 G4560 CPU, and a $230 RX 480/GTX 1060.

I'm fairly sure you have room to accomodate both for a $200 CPU & $230 GPU anyway

>>60391706
and that part was me saying that surprisingly its not that shit in gaming, at least not as huge shit as it used to be
there was lot of talk recently and they did retesting and it caught up on sandy bridge i5

>>60391640
fair enough, makes sense my man
pretty clever of you i will say

>>60391757
yeah. i saw that and it's kinda interesting. it seems the "games will be optimized for 8 cores" meme might actually carry some weight now

>>60391767
Just more expensive, need 2 more fittings and usually 240's are less than double the price of 120's

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got two i5-6600k cpus
one of them will be sold
without all the bother of testing them on the same mobo, with the same cooler
finding which one overclocks higher, which one runs decent clock on lowest voltage..

is there a way to tell quickly which one is the better one?

You know like with gpus I would just check gpuz ASIC score

>>60392067
Go be autistic somewhere else.

Will my old 212 EVO work for a AM4 board and Ryzen?

>>60392322
needs a bracket

>>60392322
get bracket till they are
I am getting one, cost me 6 cents
while the shipping cost 3€

>>60391529
1080p60 video from lumix

do graphics cards not come with DVI-I anymore? I would like to use the VGA input on my monitor because the others are used currently.

>>60392430
I have an r9 380x and it has DVI, i don't know about any newer cards though.

>>60392408
What software will you use to edit those?
An r5 1600 would be better at video editing & encoding than any 4 cores i7, and also cheaper

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I will not be able to simply hook up the PC I'm currently building to my internet router with a simple ethernet cable. It's a good 8+ meters away between 2 rooms.

What are the best options to connect to internet?
I have one wall plug adapter already for another computer. I heard using a second one will just halves the internet speed/bandwidth, so I'd rather use Wifi instead but how?
I thought about Usb WiFi adapters but I'd like to use the mobo's ethernet connector if at all possible.

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Hey I this is being shipped to my house, so far the case already arrived. The price isn't really $1800 because I got some things on sale, its closer to $1300. Tell me how much I fucked up or I should have gotten Ryzen.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rgFBHN

No I am not delidding its already being watercooled.

>>60392886
>buying windows
>animefag
why dont you just hang yourself

>>60392825
thats goes for you too

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>>60392940
Price is not accurate or reflective of final build. There are some parts that I pulled from an older computer. Also:

>buying

>>60392886
It's a good CPU that offers things that Ryzen cannot, though at a big tradeoff. Nothing really wrong.

>No I am not delidding its already being watercooled
Watercooling won't solve the thermal problems that the 7700k has. The problem lies between the CPU & it's heatspreader

>>60392980
>still animefag
go apologize to your parents for being disappointment

How are the Ml120s? I'm thinking about buying two of them to replace the sock h100i fans when they arrive. I've heard mostly good things about them. Also considering the Noctua Nf-F12s but muh a e s t h e t I c s

Also does anyone have any experience with nzxt's aer fans?

>>60392886
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rgFBHN
you overspent on dumb shit you could have gone for a 1080/1080ti if you knew how to budget build.
Also yes if you want to do things more than just game you fucked up.
Also generally 7700k with 1070 is generally pretty dumb if you wanted to stick with intel you could've saved alot of cash with a 7600k even tho it isn't a good cpu.
>should have gotten Ryzen.
At $1300 you could've pulled a great ryzen build with a vega turns out to be the cheap alternatives to 1070/1080/1080ti.

>>60393053
>you could've saved alot of cash with a 7600k even tho it isn't a good cpu.
At that price point the R5 1600 is straight up a better choice

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>>60392940

>>60393073

No it isn't - don't you trust Tom's Hardware go-I mean guy?

>>60393073
Agreed, that's why i said
>if you wanted to stick with intel you could've saved alot of cash with a 7600k

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>>60392995
I would have liked to have a 1700x instead but this is an iTX build and AMD is dragging their feet. They had an opportunity to shit on Intel especially with them fucking up their flagship but AMD decided to squander it. I'm sure the engineers are good people at AMD but their CEO and executives are utter fucking horseshit.

>>60393098
Oh i see, my bad

>>60393101
>AMD is dragging their feet.
It's not really AMD but mobo manufacturers, ITX mobos aren't really that common upon new socket releases
There's that biostar one but it's constantly out of stock because everyone wants one and it's the only ITX

>>60393130
No its AMD, mobo manufacturers are patiently waiting on the x300 chipset which AMD has yet to release. One company is even making an ITX without one, that being said if Biostar isn't always sold out I would have gotten it instead.

My last gaming PC just died, it can barely play fucking Witcher 3 anyways and I needed a replacement either this month or next month before seasons in GW2.

For a budget 1080p gaming rig, how does a g4560 with a 1050ti sound? I want to be power efficient so I didn't go with an rx470.

>>60393101
how to i get back into anime? i'm tired of having grown out of them... It's not like i've gotten a life or anything it's just that i cannot take them seriously any more and i have already watched all worthwhile shows that are of my interest. Recommend me that magic show that'll change everything animefa-bro.

>>60393203
Try Dragon Maid first, its a great show.

>>60393203
The gundam thunderbolt movie

>>60392529
Sony Vegas

alright this is getting annoying

I have a mini itx build with an NH-D15 a standard size gpu
are there ANY good itx cases I can use where the motherboard sits horizontally, where that shit will fit?

> falling for the mitx meme

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>>60393353

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>>60393275
The r5 1600 is noticeably better at x264 encoding, it peforms 17% better at it which makes sense because x264 does use any number of cores you throw at it to their maximum, and it does that while costing 27% less

And it doesn't need a cooler to do so

>>60393203
You know how the op insists beggars specify what the fuck they want? This is the same shit. Also manga >> anime.

>>60393375
You live in a cuck shed? Why do you need a compact pc?

Rate my build, I'm on a tight budget as you can see, but this does the job.

Case and PSU I will get from second hand and I have peripherials already

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WrP2LD

>>60393483
I think you can get the 4650 for the same price on sale

>>60393417
no even better I live in my parents housen and I didn't need it I wanted it

mini itx is cute as fuck especially when the cooler above it has the same square footprint

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>>60393226
Oh well, intersting touch. Kind of missed that.
>>60393234
Sawano composser... Uhh is anyone else sick of him or am i alone? The guy literally made a system to just mass-produce cool sounding osts that all sound almost the same with just changing anything that doesn't take much talent to change. It's like at one point he catched lightening in a bottle when he defined his style and made the soundtracks that made him possibly the most famous japanese composser and then just milked the shit out of it. But considering i've enjoyed some of the entries in the series at least i might get some enjoyment out of it.
>>60393402
What if you don't know what you want? I've seen way too much of them already until 1.5years ago which is when i stopped.
>manga >> anime
Well considering the road the industry seems to have taken i'd say that is obviously true considering how more and more often it seems that the industry part in anime has been destroying any of the artistic integrity of the manga and generally because it treats its audiencies like absolute morons any subtelty or deeper meaning is going to be blasted out all over your face just in case you didn't get it. The thing is if you have watched alot of older shows or animated japanese movies like Angel's Egg you get a deep appriciation for what the medium can do and i do believe it has alot more to offer if only it wasn't so much industrialised now that they have realised that appeasing the western autistic audiences actually pays off. All respectable studios either make things very rarely or experiment on side projects or just sellout. The thing is when it comes to manga in order for me to bother with it, it has to be something really special that is of my interest and i can safely say i'm also pretty much finished in that department and it's just that manga as a medium is just much more limited and most things that can be done with it are already done with it so you're left mainly with the storywriting and (cont)

>>60393515
K well enjoy your worse cooling and less mobo options

>>60393400
Aren't GPU'S faster at x264 encoding?

>>60393616
GPU are faster at x264 but they output a much worse quality while doing so, so in Premiere Pro / Sony Vegas they are used to help accelerate the encoding, but the main load is actually in the CPU

My 8 cores 16 threads R7 1700 gets 70 ~ 80% usage in Premiere Pro, and that's only because Premiere Pro makes sure not to use the CPU to it's maximum to leave room to do other things

So having a better CPU at it will indeed make a difference in encoding time, even with GPU acceleration.

>>60393541
part2
>>60393402
Character writing which is generally something i find the japenese artist being weaker at and so when it comes to mediums that don't require big budget corporations funneling them with cash like manga i prefer books considering if you know where to look you can find books that intrigue your interests so deeply and actually add valuable commentary to the philosophical subjects they often discuss or underline in their writings instead of just injecting some philosophical meaning into your story just to make it look deep while it really is just an example of "oh look guys i've read this book discussing this philosophical topic and i've ripped a part of it to inject it to my story without the meaning itself really working with the story in any creative way other than just being there to give the illusion that there is anything to see past the creator's weak story writing and lack of any talent whatsoever" which is also what generally got me out of the anime which was the repeating dissappointment of being intrigued by the potential of a show/manga when i picked up the underlining philosophical messages that i expected where about to be expanded on just so i could see that there was nothing, absolutely nothing. It was yet another case of cheap story writing techniques.

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Any 1440p, 120Hz+ monitor that interpolate 1080p games just fine and a good color range for light design work? I know the true professional grade stuff is out of my budget.

>>60393541
Huh? Thunderbolt isn't scored by Sawano, you're thinking of Unicorn.
I think literally everyone need to watch it

I ordered an AM4 motherboard and a Cryorig H7 cooler, but I'm dumb and didn't notice that the Cryorig H7 doesn't come with an AM4 bracket and you need to contact the manufacturer to get the bracket. Anyone know how long it takes to get the AM4 kit from them? I read that some people waited weeks for it.

>>60393692
My but mixed that up with Thunderbolt Fantasy which was scored by him. Oh well, i just needed to get that off my chest
>Any 1440p, 120Hz+ monitor that interpolate 1080p games just fine
The thing is that the pixels cannot be displayed properly because of the pixelcount and the inability of 1440 being divided by 1080. However 720p games will look better on a 1440p monitor than a 1080p one because of 720x2=1440 which means all pixels will work properly. Also 4k will work well with 1080p and 720p content because 1080x2=2160 and 720x3=2160. Just think of in the case of a 1440p mointor displaying 720p content that for every pixel of the 720p content 4 pixels of your monitor will be used similarly in the case of a 4k monitor for every pixel of 720p content 9 pixels of the 4k monitor will be used. However it is good to keep in mind that the best viewing experience comes when the content and the monitor's pixel's count is 1:1

>>60393798
my bad*

>>60393798
>the best viewing experience comes when the content and the monitor's pixel's count is 1:1
Games don't really have this problem except in pre rendered cutscenes. Movies yes

>>60393616
GPUs aren't really used for that purpose anymore

>>60393483
You can't use H110 out of the box with a Kaby Lake CPU

>>60393278
Lots. Look for mITX bench case

>>60393196
Fine

>>60392825
Pretty sure there are ethernet adapters for power outlets

>>60393998
I should have mentioned that I already have a bench, that's where it's on now
I was hoping to have a shielded enclosure with case fans
if there's nothing like that I'm going to try and make one

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>>60393798
>mixed that up with Thunderbolt Fantasy
No it's perfectly okay!
Also anime has it's up and down, you're not required to watch it all the time regardless of it's current quality. Same for literally everything else.
I absolutely don't believe in the "outgrown" meme

>The thing is that the pixels cannot be displayed properly because of the pixelcount and the inability of 1440 being divided by 1080
I get what you're saying. Maybe I should just get 1080p for 24" instead, but then I feel like I won't be able to fit all my work and shit on the screen.
Meanwhile gaming at 1440p on a GTX1060 will feel a bit short after a few years I feel.

>>60393998
>Pretty sure there are ethernet adapters for power outlets

Yeah, maybe I haven't been clear enough though, but I have one of those for another PC. I want to connect yet another PC to the same internet but without a second ethernet adapter as I think it will halve the bandwidth for both computer.
What I was is the full internet speed for both computers

>>60394158
Yeah just get a high hz 1080p monitor with g-sync unless you plan to upgrade that gtx 1060 anytime soon.
>I absolutely don't believe in the "outgrown" meme
I wouldn't call it a meme, as you grow older and you become more cynical and more critical of the media you consume you often find yourself growing out of genres of entertainment you used to enjoy.

>>60394263
>G-sync
As much as I like Nvidia I can't defend this overpriced shit seriously.

>>60394449
>As much as I like Nvidia
Why would you like a microstransistor company?

Sneaky Ryzen 3 1200
https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/ROG-CROSSHAIR-VI-HERO-WI-FI-AC/HelpDesk_CPU/

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>>60394559
Hmm
4C4T?
All ryzen chips are unlocked so if this comes in at say $129 and can OC to 4.0ghz this kills the intel

If we see a 2C4T unlocked version for $79 it will btfo of the locked G4560

Anyway rate this build for 1080p gaming

>no good 1440p 144z freesync monitors

>>60385262
>>60385234
New to AMD here, what's the difference between B, AB, and X lettered mobos?

what is the /pcbg/ approved method of coming into possession of windows 10

>>60394727
what about 100hz ultrawide?

https://www.amazon.com/Optimized-VIOTEK-GN34C-Widescreen-Monitor/dp/B06Y1GZHYJ

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>>60394762
It's just chipsets, pic related

>>60394789
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

Download the tool, use it to create installion media on a usb stick, plug it in to your PC and boot from it. Voila free windows.

>>60394789
Download official iso & crack it using KMSPico

>>60394812
Too big for my desk.

Also
>Only 100hz

>>60394870
you're too big for your desk

>>60394843
so this is how we do it. i see. thank you.

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what should i upgrade for 1080p gaymen? gtx 1060/rx 580?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vngR8K
I don't really game much, bf4 will probably be the most resource-consuming game I'll play, would be nice to play it at high. What would be a good videocard for this?

>>60394900
Rx 570

It will get better in time as newer APIs favour the AMD cards
4gb of ram is fine for 1080p
OCed its right on the heels of the 1060 and 580

>>60394900
Same shit
>>60394914
Can't really recommend anything if you don't say the budget

>>60394914
Why the 1400?
Why not the 1600? The 1400 has 8mb of cache the 6 cores will be worth it in the long run
Try and get faster ram as well but dont pay a ton more for it
Rx 570 is good enough for 1080p anything

>>60394914
Shit, forgot about OP
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vngR8K
Mainly web browsing and light video editing, FL studio too. Country is Mexico. I just want the build to be a good price-quality radio. Ideal budget would be 600$ but I could go up if it's worth it.
>>60394952
(not going to drop the case, really like it)

>>60394825
Thanks

>>60394701
>If we see a 2C4T unlocked version for $79 it will btfo of the locked G4560
No 2c/4t Ryzen chips

>>60394952
>>60394967
>>60394968
My budget is so low because I plan to spend the money on good headphones, an amp, a nice Topre keyboard and a set of keycaps. But like I said, the budget could go up by 100$ or so if it's worth it. Also the shipping price is nuts sometimes.

>>60394952
I don't really have a budget in mind, but I don't want to go overkill as i'm just using a single 1080p 60hz monitor, so wasn't expecting anything > $300
>>60394937
rx 570 sounds good, not too expensive either, what manufacturer/model would you rec? also would a 530w psu be enough? can't seem to find the rx500 series on any power calculators

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>>60395003
>no budget 3c/6t because amd wants symetry above all

>>60395057
>also would a 530w psu be enough?
If it's a reliable psu then it will pretty easily. (I actually have a 1060 with a shitty cx 430 and still haven't had any problem with it, so you should be fine)

>>60395124
They actually had one of those. It was called the FX 6300. 3 module / 6 thread. A module was composed of two INT cores and one FP core.

>>60395232
They actually used to make tripple core chips back in the phenom days

You could also buy a dual core phenom and unlock the other 2 cores to make a quad if you were lucky

Can you retarded gaymers get off of /g/ and go on the linustechtips subreddit?

>>60395327
can you suck my dick?

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>>60395337
i-i could if you want...

>>60395361
s-stop complaining about gaymers you d-dumb anime poster

Is kaby lake G4560 the best budget CPU I can get?

>>60395429
Yes

>>60395443

Mostly gonna use it for work and light Overwatch playing, thinking doing a G4560, 1050ti, 8 gigs of ram build. It should suffice right?

>>60395454
Yes, that will serve you well for a budget build.

could i get some opinions on this?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CNd3XH

i'm going to be using it for programming and for 1080p gaming. will be dual booting winblows and leenoox for it. i feel like there might be a bottleneck somewhere but i'm not sure

p-please don't go too harsh on me

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>>60395503
No bottleneck in there but
>programming
Compilation times are greatly reduced by more cores, if you can up the budget for an R5 1600 you should because you will absolutely love it.

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Hello, I just bough a new graphic card for my shitty computer (radeon rx580) but when I puted it in it wasnt booting.

Its not my power supply since its 500 W, I think its the motherboard since its really old and shitty.

What do you think its wrong?

>>60395628
Did you try booting with a gfx card at all?

>>60395720

What do you mean? I can see the radeon turning on when I turn on the computer but it doesnt show an image

>>60395768
So it does boot. What it does is that it either doesn't post or doesn't output any image.
Check the cable, try a different cable, make sure the card gets power from the PSU

>>60395768
If your i7 has integrated graphics, boot without the gfx card by plugging monitor into mobo.

Sounds like a display problem between your old ass monitor and the card, not a mobo issue

>>60395768
did you plug the cable into the GPU instead of motherboard?

>>60395793
>>60395818
>>60395836

So the HDMI cable and the monitor are not the isuse since I am using them right now and I also use it for my ps4 (its not an old monitor)

I am gonna check the cable from the PSU.

Sadly I cant boot the computer without a graphic card since my old as fuck motherboard doesnt have a entrance for it

Can you guys look at this build I want to build another back up pc. I dont want to spend over 900 USD on it.
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Ayz/saved/XXzHxr

>>60396113
Could save money on the cooler unless you intend to OC
Looks good to me

>>60396154
>>60396154
>>60396154
new thread

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>mobo died on its own after working fine for a month
As in, no reaction whatsoever even from the fans for no apparent reason one morning.
I'm wondering what could cause it. It didn't complain when I flashed the BIOS, two weeks ago, and I didn't move my case or do anything that could have shorted it since either. My case's a 300R so there's no standoffs needed, but that doesn't explain it either otherwise it'd have died way sooner. It just died quietly in the night. It's not the case because I swapped in my older rig and it works fine, it's not the PSU for the same reason though I had a backup one still under wrap and that wasn't it either, and RAM/GPU wouldn't stop it dead like that. I just don't know what happened.

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>>60396236
happened to me once, i went to take a short shower then when i came back it was shut off and didn't want to turn on
I disassembled literally everything (cpu included), plugged the psu to mobo & it turned on fine
assembled it back was good to go

>>60385334
I didn't make the other thread. Look how many posters there were.

I mean like yay you removed the i3 builds, and fixed how the builds were aimed, but you still chose really substandard component recommendations.
$90 PNY 240GB SSD when you can get a just as good or better 512GB+ model for $35 more? That's bad value.
You also forgot to adjust sale price which was confusing. Some looked bad but were okay since they were on sale, like the G1 PSU. But I'd usually wait for a semi-modular or fully modular sale as you often have the Seasonic 550RM or M12II on sale for $30-$50.

>>60396279
Yeah, well, I did that. Took off everything and plugged stuff in one bit at a time pausing to plug PSU and try turning it on, nothing. I contacted support, hopefully I won't have to send back ALL the pieces with it at once since I bought like 4 parts off the same vendor.

>>60396353
Regardless of whether his builds were good he has no right to be the only one that can edit these informations in his pcpartpicker link, so we're going back to the regular OP
And if you see him create a thread: create another one with the right OP, report him & tell evreyone on his thread to migrate to your

>>60396386
even with just PSU & mobo it doesn't work?
That also happened to me, so i tried another PSU and it worked. Then i plugged back the old one and it too worked, strangely enough.

>>60396279
Is that a power button cable off from the case or an accessory? I need to get something like that, it can't be healthy shorting the pins when you don't want to use the case button.

>>60396412
>Is that a power button cable off from the case
Yes, i tore it down from a dusty Zalman Z11 Plus that i didn't use

>>60396389
I would normally agree, and I know there's at least 3-4 others that make the other thread.

The problem with this one which is making so many people so mad (I was asleep while most of this was going on until I posted that) is
>logicalincrements was made and run by a paid shill, and one who recommends bad parts due to being paid to.
I think it's easy to understand why that pisses people off, and why they don't want a /pcbg/ promoting that site.

We were also regularly get people posting
>hey I made a build based on logicalincrements a year ago and it's feeling slow. What should I upgrade?
and their speccy is this horrible mix of nearly-incompatible parts.
pcpartspicker does really everything people needs for parts recommendation and compatability. logicalicrements is a useless shill site that only confuses people into making bad builds.

>>60396408
How do you tell if it turns on with just PSU & mobo? I tried that, but I got no reaction so I don't think it powered on. I didn't see anything indicating it turned on at least, though since ryzen has no integrated gpu presumably I'd have to look for on board signs but I don't know what. Currently I put my old parts back in the case and the new ones in their box.

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>>60396461
PSU fan spinning
The power switch isn't directly from button to PSU, but from button to motherboard to PSU. If mobo is broken, PSU won't turn on because the link isn't being made, electricity isn't going through.

>>60396575
Good point. Mobo's definitely dead then, because regardless of whether I use the case button or short the power switch pins; nothing's budging.
What are the odds the guarantee'll work?

>>60396389
The first thread that gets posted is new thread. Also reports are only for rule violations.

>>60396872
>The first thread that gets posted is new thread.
no