/pcbg/ - PC Building General

does my pc need a sound card to make sounds -_-

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Intel CPU notes
>100 series chipsets (Z170, B150, ect) don't work out of the box with Kaby Lake
>Z series chipsets have an "Enhanced Turbo", which allows all cores to run at the highest single core boost clockspeed (works for Skylake CPUs as well)
>Pentium G4560 is the best price / perf four thread CPU on a modern platform
>All Kaby Lake CPUs work natively with 2400MHz DDR4 memory

General commentary
>Do not underestimate the impact of fast (>2400, e.g, 3000MHz) RAM in conjunction with a Z270 or B350/X370 series chipset, which often provides as much of a performance boost as a CPU overclock
>The only worthwhile 1080p gfx cards are the GTX 1050, RX 570, 4GB RX 580, 6GB GTX 1060 (GTX 1070 is acceptable but severe overkill)
>G4560 iGPU is fine for LoL, DOTA2, Rocket League, etc

>>60338212
Mobos have integrated sound, you cute little retard

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Case: Enthoo Primo SE(Green)
CPU: R7 1700x
MOBO: Asus Crosshair VI
MEM: 32GB Corsair Dominator 3000mhz
Storage: 480 gb WD BLK M.@ NVME
480GB OCZ Trion 150 SSD 480GB,960GB OCZ 150 SSD
GPU: x2 Nvidia GTX 1080 Ti SLI
PSU: 1000 WT EVGA Supernova P2
Cooling: Custom Loop
Cables: Cable Modz Custom
Moniter: Samsung UD590 28" 4K
Keyboard: Corsair K90 platinum RGB
Mouse: Corsair Scimitar Pro
Sound: Yamaha MG10XU sound Board, AIAIAI Head phones, Blue yeti pro XLR Mic
Extra: Wired Xbox 360 Controller

what is the HDD sweet spot in terms of value?
4tb? 8? I'm re-doing my HTPC/home server/hoarding rig

>>60338189
>logicalincrements.com/
Are you the owner of that site?
The only person that'd post that is him. A known shill who recommends bad parts because suppliers pay him to and give him free components.

That shit doesn't belong in the OP.

Some of the builds don't make sense, either. Like a 1050 over a RX460. On recent benchmarks, driver updates have the RX460 far surpassing the 1050 at less cost.
And though some of the builds are okay, the title "mid-range" is meaningless and to recommend the i3-7100 at all is also terrible.

Previous OP was a lot more informative and clear but idk I'll let others judge.

>also best cheap 1440p build. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GdzGM8 Will have to turn down to high/very-high in a handful of poorly optimized games like Dishonored 2 and GR Wildlands to stay above 60fps.

>>60338359
Usually it seems that 3Gb and 2Gb go on sale for the best $/Gb.

>>60338359
2TB 7200RPM $/GB is the same as 4TB 5400RPM $/GB last I checked

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can i clone my laptops hhd to my new builds ssd so i dont have to redownload all my programs and buy a new operating system?

>>60338381
>>60338368
thanks. it's for media storage so I don't really care about speed, and the less disks the better, since I'm going to end up filling every slot in the case and I don't want to buy a new one. 4tb HGST it is.

>>60338345
$4000ish. Also Gaming and video editing, Sorry missed some of the OP's Request

>>60338368
The Falcon is /ourguy/, though.

>>60338395 yes you should be able to find a easy cloning software and if your laptop has room pop it in and map it to do so.

>>60338405
>samefag
That's just wrong.

>>60338368
>Are you the owner of that site?
No, but it's a /g/ tradition, born from /g/

>On recent benchmarks, driver updates have the RX460 far surpassing the 1050 at less cost.
Source?

>to recommend the i3-7100 at all is also terrible.
Not really. I've noticed that the extra few MHz between the G4560 and i3 7100 really help the minimums. (Same with frametimes between the old FX 6300 and 6350.) It's a midpoint between the G4560 and the R5 1500X. Having said that, I wouldn't buy the i3 7100

>>60338395
windows 10 pro oems are like $5 on allkeyshop

>>60338466
With how the internet is today, I don't really fret about a full system restore. So just getting a new OEM is my usal choice with a new build so thanks for the site Anon.

>>60338368
>Previous OP was a lot more informative
In a sense I agree, but it was also a lot more cluttered and some of the info was a little off, like the graphics card recommendations.

Before I came in and took over the old-old OP, it was bare bones. I guess it's kinda my fault for starting a trend where the OP has too much text.

Hi /pcbg/, building a new PC and was wondering if it will work. Open to suggestions!

It's going to be used for gaymen, VR gaymen, and besides that just general PC use. 3000$ budget. Thanks!

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kkMknn

>>60338395
>>60338466
>buying an os
>buying win10

you're doing it wrong.

>>60338599
Better than going with shady hooks.

I want to build a budget PC for mainly shitposting, and playing old games (Need for Speed 2010 and DMC4). Which CPU is better for me: Pentium G4560 or Athlon X4 860K?

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>>60338371
I'd get 2666 DR if it's not much more. But 2400 DR is okay for most games. Much better than 2133 and 2400 SR at least.

It's only at <$500 (with a SSD) that a g4560 is worth it. At $600 you can definitely get a 1500X and upgrade GPU later.

>>60338437
Hard to find a source. This video is kinda shit and may be bottlenecked by the g4560 at times https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO8ylaxwdT4 but even the RX550, which is only like 60% of an RX460, is very close in many cases and never as low as half.
I did see a source that did new benchmarks of the RX460, 1050, 1050Ti, another with the RX550 but now I can't find it.

But the source is picture related, which was plotted from TPUs "relative power" database.
Which... yeah I know, is NOT the best source. But it puts the RX460 roughly at 1050Ti performance now.
Given the same driver updates that improved the RX480 performance also improved RX460, it probably isn't far off from the 1050Ti.
When the RX560 comes out, hopefully we'll see the 1050Ti and RX460 retested on new drivers to really see, but I definitely wouldn't recommend a 1050.
1030 or RX550 just for old upgrades from an iGPU or to do more monitors but non-gaming, sure. 1050 is poor value.

>>60338504
>it was also a lot more cluttered
Well I agree with that. Someone was working on making a simple one-page thing on a wiki-like site with images.
Part of the info in the OP being a bit "eh" in some cases was lack of being able to fit an appropriate explanation in 2000 characters.

Still way better than recommending logical increments which is responsible for the most awful builds.

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>>60338620
Pentium so you can have a better shit accessories

>>60338552
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kkMknn
Doesn't seem like a lot of PC for $1700, but seems like a decent build anyway.

>>60338620
G4560, I'd assume. Look at benchmarks.
And yeah, newer platform with the Pentium. That's the one reason I'd recommend people upgrade from a 4670k to Ryzen instead of just getting a 4790k on the same platform.

>search RX 560 on newegg to see if it's out yet

>car hubcaps, reading glasses and inkjet cartridges

Allowing third party sellers was a mistake.

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>>60338654
The 1050 still looks better to me. This is from the most recent TechPowerUp summary (a 1080Ti review).

And then you have games like Ghost Recon Wildlands where the 460 just sucks. The 1050 isn't much better, but it's clearly going to perform significantly better on medium settings. I'll post the graph in the next reply

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>>60338794
The minimums are a 30% difference

Does compatibility list mean anything in regard to ssd m.2 compatibility. I want to get 500gb m.2 but it only shows the 250gb version of that m.2 ssd.

>>60338189
>http://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/

The 1080p/144Hz build recommends a 7700 coupled with a 1070. I already have a 4770 (but not overclocked). Will 4770 + 1070 be sufficient for 1080p/144Hz or will the 4770 bottleneck me?

>>60338851
If there is a compatibility issue, it's likely that updating your BIOS will fix it. You can also call the mobo manufacturer's support

On a related note, what is a good value 240-256GB m.2 SSD?

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this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Kpfb6X

or this
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Lenovo-Thinkpad-P51-i7-7700HQ-Quadro-M1200M-FHD-16GB-DDR4-256GB-SSD-3Yrs-Wty-/272667893547?hash=item3f7c45df2b

>>60338942
That build recommends a 7700K with the assumption that the user will overclock or at least enable the all core turbo available on Z100 and 200 series chipsets.

You might get a slight bottleneck with the older CPU at 1080p, but if you turn the graphics settings up enough you can force the bottleneck back to the gfx card. Anyway the beauty of a 144Hz monitor is that you don't have to worry about the problems associated with vsync on a 60Hz monitor.

TL;DR interpretation: You'll be fine.

If you dont' have an SSD, make sure you get one.

>>60338954
>On a related note, what is a good value 240-256GB m.2 SSD?
Intel 600p 256GB

>>60338954
I want to get Samsung 850 evo and it doesn't show the 2.5" or the m.2 on the compatibility list for this motherboard. Is the compatibility list irrelevant? It doesn't even show rx580 on the list for the motherboard.

>>60338794
>>60338829
Did you just out yourself as an obvious shill?
You're citing a "performance per dollar" chart that doesn't list what dollar amount it's going by. Probably launch MSRP and launch drivers. And then you cherry picked a single Gimpworks game.

Don't respond anymore. Waste of time to argue with someone like you.

>>60339016
The monitor you picked is crap at normal viewing distance.

Anyway those builds aren't even close to the same. Add context

>>60339069
forgot link
https://us.msi.com/Motherboard/support/X370-SLI-PLUS.html#support-hdd

>>60338345
Hows the 1700x going? Would it be worth upgrading to from a 3570k?

need some advice. my pc is getting a bit old, so I want to upgrade it, but I have some debt to pay first (it's to my parents for tuition, so it's not urgent, but still)

current pc is 2500k, r9 290, and a chink 1440p panel that has some vertical fuzz every 10 pixels (not very noticeable, but still not perfect)

cpu would either be a ryzen 1600 or maybe 1700, but a new cpu would cost the most. gpu 1070 or 1080, but i rather wait for vega. so I think I want a new monitor

should I get 4k or 1440p?

pros of 1440p monitor (~$600)
>144hz, freesync, probably a better stand than a $600 4k
cons
>will probably be outdated in 2-3 years

pros of 4k
>newer than 1440p so it'll hold its value a bit longer
cons
>no 144hz, probably shitty stand, also no way my 290 can run it at decent frames/resolution

i think 1440p 144hz is the sweet spot for my budget and needs. thoughts?

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>>60339067
I'll keep that in mind, but I'm looking for something slightly cheaper if possible.

>>60339076
>Probably launch MSRP and launch drivers
You fucking nigger. TechPowerUp supposedly retests all games and gfx cards with each review.

And don't whine to me about gimpworks. I own the 470 and even with godrays etc disabled, Wildlands runs like shit because of the fairly long draw distance in the game. Wildlands is not a niche, cherrypicked game. If I wanted to do that and trash AMD I'd post pic related

>>60339187
>>60339187
100Hz 1440p at about 27". Wait until you can get good HDR.

It won't be outdated ever at that size and a normal viewing distance.

I think I fucked up /g/.

was repairing a computer and I'd pulled the ram chips and didn't fully re-seat them and so when I powered it back up the computer started beeping something fierce.

Cut the power and re-seated them and now it won't boot up..... did that kill the motherboard?

hey guys so i built my pc two days ago and everything turned out fine except the case fans. They wont turn on. i plugged them in to the system fan pin on the mobo and they still wont turn on

>>60339214
>>60339226
yeah that's why I'm deadset on 144hz, as even if the resolution becomes outdated, the high refresh will make it enjoyable

really tempted to grab this (https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236665), even though it's refurbished. I haven't seen anything even close to it in a year

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Would impact to mobo with smartphone from 1ft (~30cm) height damage my mobo?

I have thread on
>>>/wsr/
About it, but people are slow there

>>60338552
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kkMknn
consider sacrificing looks to buy a 1080ti other than that it's okay. You can save 150 easily plus more if you get a seasonic psu for half the evga price at the cost of gold certification.

What's the current go-to cheap 1080p freesync IPS monitor?

>>60339277
I dropped a btl beer beside my case whilst installing a mobo. It died. No idea about dropping a phone in it though. Doubtful it'd kill it unless something broke.

>>60339340
Seasonic is fucking king of psu

>>60339277
Very unlikely unless it physically broke a component

>>60339609
don't spend a lot on 1080p. 1080p is garbage.

Would it be safe to run 4 120mm Silent fans rated at 0.20 A each run of a single case fan header?

>>60339166
yes, you'll be effectively getting 12 more threads and a large IPC increase. Plus better on mother board features and ddr4 ram.

>>60339658
>cheap

>>60339277
Could it? Yes, if you're really unlucky and it landed just right on something.

Did it? Probably not.

I'm putting my first machine together this Thursday. I'm scared guys.

>>60339660
If you put too many fans on a header, all that will happen is the fans will spin slower.

>>60339715
Or fry the header by pulling too many amps from it. potato potato

>>60339704
God speed moon cat.

>>60339234
That *shouldn't* damage the motherboard. I would guess you damaged the RAM

>>60339251
could be a power supply issue. Not enough power. Or, you might need to configure those headers in BIOS, they maybe default set to off for some stupid reason.

>>60339609
I've got this one http://a.co/5qLh4bT

Got it on sale for $100 sadly i don't have an ayymd gpu to confirm but from the reviews it confirms that it has freesync.

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>just bought 16gb of 3000mhz dominator platinum memory
>going to sell my 16gb of 2666mhz vengeance memory
>the vengeance sticks cost $30 more than when i bought them

>>60339735
Yeah, just like how plugging too many things into a USB hub will draw too many amps.

Hint: that's not actually what happens when you plug too many things into a USB hub.

Bought 2 of these for my first dual monitor setup, how much buyer's remorse should I have(note I don't care about 1440/4k or 144hz)

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824106003

>>60339267
you probably messed up somewhere, doubt it's the ram or if it is it was not properly seated or something.
dismount and remount everything one by one, start with only psu, mobo & cpu, then climb the way up by adding gpu, then hard drives, etc

>>60339674
>cheap
>ips
Even if there is a cheap one, you don't like that. It'll ghost and have halo glow.

>>60339794
>Acer

Hope and pray for no dead pixels :^)

>>60339761
The usb hub has a chip set controlling it, your Fan headers get power from your 24 pin which goes through mechanical pipelines consisting of capacitors and transistors, electricity will try to flow if you give it a reason like splicing more and more fans onto it but the "pressure" or amps that will cause can fry your board.

If i have an i7 6700k is there any reason at all to get a 7700k?

>>60340039
no

Can I build anything decent for gaming but easily upgradable later with no hassle for roughly $400 or slightly over?

Last computer exploded on me so i don't have much I can salvage from it.

>>60339794
A lot. Dual monitor is better with thin bezels

>>60340039
Of course not

Who's the best RX 580 vendor? Thinking about getting Sapphire Pulse RX 580. Is it silent? Not hot?

>>60340089
Yeah, $400 will get you playing LoL and stuff of that tier

You've got a case at least! That puts you like $50 ahead.

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>>60340120
Get this one saphirre is not a good brand they are like biostar for gpus

>>60340174
woah, I thought sapphire is top tier radeon vendor, ok

>>60340167

>You've got a case at least!

I wish. It got fucked up in the explosion.

>>60339633
Sheesh, that sucks man

Posted this is the old thread didn't know you all had a new one. Anyway.

My CPU casing has white spots growing in it. Looks like mold. Is it time to get a new casing? Or just reuse one?

Also what is a good step up from the i5 4600? I finally have a real job and can afford to buy real stuff now.

>>60338225
What is top vs bottom? Is that chipset?

>>60340204
Something exploded hard enough to damage the CASE? What the fuck

>>60338189
OP is manipulating shill tier.

>>60340242
He is full of shit

>>60340221
No help?

Anyone else think logical increments should be removed from the OP? Its component matching is misleading and pcpartpicker is a much better place to start, even for total novices. Just speaking from experience desu

>>60340221
What do you mean by CPU casing?

>>60340221
By CPU casing i assume you mean the computers case just strip all electronics out of it and give is a soak in bleach water then scrub off the now dead mold

>>60340307

Case cracked from it and took part of the fan off with it and melted some of the wiring.

>>60340339
My tower casing.
It has rust which I sandpapered off and spray painted over as a DIY hack job but recently when i was cleaning it I noticed white spots at the bottom.

>>60340361
I tried doing it with alcohol to kill the mold and it worked but also took the paint with it.

>>60340375
so? Its a little paint its not mold that will destroy it

>>60340391
So I should just reuse my casing?

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>>60338189
>//pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/
REMINDER
/g/ would never ever recommend a 3Gb 1060 under any circumstance.
>Win7 and 8.1 cannot be easily installed on the latest AMD or Intel chipsets
Or suggest that you need Win 10.
Let alone give you a walk through on how to click a fucking hyperlink.

OP needs to neck himself.

>>60340407
Yes why wouldnt you? Unless you want a new case

>>60340423
Seems logical. What about my CPU? What would be a good upgrade from a i5-4670?

>>60340438
I would say a 7600k but only if you feel the current one isnt cutting it anymore never upgrade just to upgrade

I hate to post without a component list, but I'm a total noob to PC building. I play EVE, so all I care about is building a PC that can run EVE, Discord, and mumble simultaneously.
What is the cheapest rig that could handle that? My laptop got fried and I need to replace it ASAP, but I don't think I can go about $800 max including a monitor.

>>60340416
This tbqhf

>>60340438
you don't need to upgrade untill you are willing to go for i7 7700 or for ryzen 1600 or 1700 if you want more threads
>>60340453
>I would say a 7600k
that would be terrible upgrade

>>60340416
>would never ever recommend a 3Gb 1060 under any circumstance.
i fully support that statement never buy eunuch card especially one that hid its castration also 3gb of ram are not enough

unless you dont play game or play cs go but than you dont need card with 1060 power and can go for something much cheaper

>>60340468
R5 1500X
RX570 4GB Aim for a 580 8gb if in budget.
8GB RAM. Aim for 12-16 It'll help in tabbing out.
450W PSU.
Storage is up to you.
I'd suggest 500gb+ SSD if saving games to it. Seeing as you're playing EVE that would be beneficial.
Cooler can be stock.

>>60340508
What pisses me off is that it was as VR ready.
If you can't afford a 480/580. No way in hell you can afford VR goggles in the next year.

>>60340468
Oh, and check out Ebay/local stores for monitors. I got a Acer 27" 60Hz 1ms 1080p screen for $170 Australian.
That's the part you're going to have to be thrifty with. Consider secondhand as well.

>>60340510
>>60340547
TY, I'll probably go for a smaller SSD because I never really play more than one MMO at a time and that seems like an easy place to save money on since I can add additional drives later.
I forgot to say that I'm in America. What's are solid brands for monitors if I'm worried about longevity more than anything?

>>60340510
i do not find rx480/580 vr ready to desu they are too weak

Hey /pcbg/

Gonna be asking my friend to build me a pc soon but am worryful of his opinions and choices. Was wondering if you guys had opinions on what is best to spend my money on

Here are my prerequisites:

>Budget of $1200 USD
>must be able to run normie games flawlessly such as Overwatch, Minecraft, Fallout, and so on. I'll mostly be using the pc for general web surfing and gaming
>the dream is to have multiple monitors, 2 or 3 is best, I don't care if it's a meme

Anyone wanna help me out here? I wanna compare products with what he chooses. Example: he said that 1080p is the way to go for my budget but some people here are saying 1080p is shit.

>>60340579
Pretty much anything that's a common brand. Stay away from Korean monitors. Unless they have the pixel perfect plan. Where you pay more to ensure you don't get one with dead pixels.
Normally you can't RMA them unless they have more than 5 dead pixels.
Generally you'd want something 24" 1080p 60Hz.
Larger than 24" @ 1080p is silly as the pixels become obvious.
>>60340581
I meant in that pc part picker link. Literally say's that a 3gb 1060 is for entry level VR games. Sure it'll work, but no one in that price range would have goggles.
It's a scam in essence. Playing to peoples hopes.
The 480/580 will do most things currently VR aside for Resident Evil level of graphics. Not too sure on their upper limit. But certainly a lot higher than a 3gb 1060.

>>60340039
Of course.
On average 30-35% higher minimum framerates in AAA games from the past 3 years.
If you just play indie shit and WoW, then no.
But in modern games, even a stock 7700 non-k outperforms the 7600k at 5GHz in gaming, let alone productivity. i5s are garbage and should cost half what they do.

>>60340120
Red Devil GS, GTR-S, and Nitro++.

>>60340416
This.
Even if you find a 1060 3GB for $160, it's still well worth paying $10-$20 more for an RX570 4GB.
Not only does the later have more VRAM, but GCN performs far better when it's VRAM starved.

>>60340644
1200usd can get you a 1440p machine. Your friend is a retard.

AMD 1600X
RX 580/ GTX1070. Vega releases in twoish weeks. Should tank the prices of 1070/80's or even be a card in your price range. (said to be in the ranges of a 1080Ti)
The 580 will handle those games at 1440. Consider 1070 if you play other shit, but it is considerably more expensive.
16Gb of ram, High frequency
550W PSU
1Tb M.2 SSD. (optional)
1-3Tb HDD.
1440P monitor.

>>60340706
>but GCN performs far better when it's VRAM starved.
That's like, the opposite of correct.

>>60340731
>Should tank the prices of 1070/80's or even be a card in your price range. (said to be in the ranges of a 1080Ti)
The cards performance said to be 1080Ti*
The price of vega is still up in the air.
>>60340644

>>60340489
I was looking at 6700k or 7700.
So I am guessing I should stick 7700? Does it has any issues?

First time building a pc, currently looking for a mobo that won't give me compatibility issues.

R5 1600
Ripjaws V 2x8gb 3200
Intel 600p 256gb ssd
Whatever 1TB 7200 rpm hdd I can find
I won't need a GPU until september, thinking about a 580.

Any suggestions? I'm open to criticism and being occasionally called a fag.

>>60340769
Get a better SSD

>>60340738
Better compared to Nvidia cards in the same situation, you numbskull. You know exactly what was meant there by the context and you're being stupid.

>>60340762
7700s can suffer the same heat issues as the 7700k. Just depends on luck. It's more rare with 6700ks.

What do you guys do with your old graphic card after an upgrade?

I have a 290x which is out of warranty which I am replacing with a 1080ti. Do I just give it away for free?

>>60340783
>Better compared to Nvidia cards in the same situation
You're wrong though the 3GB 1060 has better minimum frame rates and maximum frame times than the 4GB polaris cards in nearly every game i've seen.

>>60340791
I'd say keep it as a back up. Normally I'd give it to a kid. But that's a lot of power draw to give it to poverty.

>>60338237
Fuck you too man

>>60340774
Alright, looking into it right now. Any suggestions? Would a Samsung 960 be a significant step-up?

i have a z87 motherboard with a broken PCIE slot. That means i can only put one of my 290's in at a time. The CPU is a i5 4570
i can either:
1) change CPU /ram/mobo , put both 290's in but the problem with that is they are real fucking noisy (as in Ryzen, DDR4)
2) get a new GPU , could probably scrape enough for a pretty decent 1080/1080ti
what will let me crunch maximum /pixels/

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>faggot saying you should get R5 1600X instead 1600
>doesn't explain why

Well? As far as I know it's basically the same CPU if you overclock

>>60340731
Hey thanks anon, I'm going to look up each product right now. Is there a particular site you like to gather parts?

>>60340762
dunno about i7 7700 issues i dont think they play a role with locked cpu i have 6700 non k cheap cooler spartan LT and zero problems low temps all around

i would go for 7700 if i was you i faced the same decision and decided i prefer more threads and i do not regret it.

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Finally got my new PSU, and I can now finally make use of my i7 and ddr4-3000 RAM.

>>60340888
https://pcpartpicker.com
Give a lot of sites and prices.
That or stick to newegg.

>>60340852
I think he meant to fuck off with the m.2.
They're not worth the money unless you're doing really specific things with your system, they dont make games or windows load faster by any significant degree.
If you get it for the same price as an MX300 or some shit then it's fine but they're not worth any amount more than that. You're better off putting the money into a bigger SSD or the GPU

>>60340819
When VRAM starved...? I need a source on this.
TPU didn't even test the 1060 3GB in GR Wildlands, which would have been a good test since it uses 6GB at 4K ultra and 4.1GB at very high 4k.

>>60340866
New GPU.
A 1080ti has about the raw performance of 2 290s and it doesn't have crossfire driver shit to deal with.

>>60340918
Lots of options come up when I search that site for parts with the name you gave me. This will definitely require a lot of research. Worst part is I'm almost too careful with my money and would be so triggered if I bought even one wrong product.

>>60341019
I'm in the process of selecting stuff for my first self-built PC, too. It was pretty daunting at first with all the new terminology, but it gets easier as with anything else you start learning.

>>60340943
Got it. Kind of a noob here, I'll be asking lots of dumb questions.

What ssd would you suggest using? I can start doing some research from that

>>60341038
Yeah it's been a long time coming for me and I'm finally in a good position in life where I don't mind dropping twelve or so bills on a pc. I refuse to pay retail and don't trust my friends opinions, as they have been known to be idiots. So I guess I'm on my own here. At least I'll always have 4chan to ask, although I don't wanna shit up these threads to much.

>>60340979
i was thinking that too. Man never crossfire two reference hawaii cards.

>>60341019
Pick what ever, take a screenshot and post it here. Then we'll call you a retard for not selecting X.
Change said parts, screen shot again post here, see if any more issue is raised.
Really it's price of RAM/speed, motherboard, and a few types of graphics cards we'll hang shit on you for.

>>60341019

go to logicalincrements.com

/pcbg/ hates them but it's a good starting point.

Don't buy into the AMD vs Intel and AMD vs Nvidia nonsense. Look more at driver issues (AMD) temperature and stuttering issues (Intel) for CPU, and for a GPU it's hard to go wrong with an Nvidia product, they're just the best right now.

Also, try to stay away from a mid-tower build. They're big computers, and MicroATX is much more manageable.

And 1080p is awesome, fuck the haters. What you really want is refresh rate, pure hertz, cycles baby. 1080p@144hz is very underrated, and /pcbg/ can't seem to stay away from the 1440p hype. The truth is that you're getting a better quality picture, but it's not really worth it. 1080p@100fps is the real sweet spot for any first-time build.

This is coming from someone who got into this world about six months ago, and I'm just sharing my wisdom.

>>60341071
I feel you. Spent most of my early life off prebuilts and laptops my parents bought for the family. The research is kind of fun, yet frustrating at times. None of my friends are really PC nuts, and even if they were I'd still look things up personally to verify. Don't be afraid to ask "dumb" questions here though only to be called a retard. It's par for the course. At least you'll learn.

Is it worth upgrading from RX 480 to RX 580?? Is improvement worth the money?

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How does this look? It's going to be a racing sim for 1080p@144hz and VR capable.

>>60341111
>Don't buy into the AMD vs Intel and AMD vs Nvidia nonsense.
And take this to heart. Don't fall into the same kind of shit console owners do with their Sony vs. Microsoft vs. Nintendo bullshit. Always try to find the best value. I think it's fine to have a little bit of brand loyalty, but don't let it prevent you from seeing better options.

>>60341129
from all that i've seen no not really

>>60340783
>7700s can suffer the same heat issues as the 7700k. Just depends on luck. It's more rare with 6700ks.
So I should get the 6700k? How do they compare?

>>60341129
is it a joke question? Its exact same card with higher clock speed expect 5% performance increase under best circumstances. Absolutelly definitlly not worth it even if you made mistake of getting 4gb rx480 wait for something better.

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>>60341162

As an owner of a 6700k with a mild overclock, this is what you can expect.

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>>60340975
>When VRAM starved
I dont know, all i can say is probably.
Older shit but actually directly compares the two:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-V0Wida2rmw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVM0Nb5crMM
I haven't seen anything that breaks everything down with all the detail I need to be comfortable recommending the 1060 3GB to anyone or even get it myself, but I've seen enough to be sure the 4GB polarises aren't magically better and, at least with the current crop of games, are often worse.

What kind of graphics card would suit my needs and other components well?
I have a PC made from older parts that's short a necessary GPU. It's so far an FX 6300, ASRock 970 extreme3, 8gb ddr3 ram, and a 64gb ssd.

Do I get a bare minimum card and use it as a secured tor machine or is there more motivation for me to get a 80$ 2gb card? I have a complete gaming setup already so I don't have much reason to go for high performance cards besides crypto mining, right? And would this be ok for baby's first, solo, mining rig?

>>60341111
Quads.
Thank you for your opinions man definitely will keep that in mind about 1080p. Checking out the link now.

>>60341101
Sounds good. Will do, thanks.

>>60341112
Appreciate the encouragement anon. Prebuilts and laptops hah that's exactly where I'm at, and I never bothered to learn a damn thing about em until now.

>>60341191
Whoops i accidently 2 of the same graph

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>>60341191
This was the other one i meant to add.

>>60341111
>1080p@144hz is very underrated, and /pcbg/ can't seem to stay away from the 1440p hype.
That's because we have hardware that can run 1440 at more than acceptable frame rates you mong.

>>60341177
Good enough. Thanks.

>>60341193
After a quick search I see I may have been totally misguided about having a side rig for mining. I'm seeing 6 GPU setups everywhere.
The rest of the questions stand.

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>>60341287

Just ran the same test, tweaked some stuff earlier today.

>>60341331
I doubt I will be overclocking it out of the gate. Maybe down the road.

>>60341347
You should mess with OC settings when you get it though.
stock voltages are usually too high so you can usually reduce power consumption and heat with no performance cost by undervolting, how much by depends on your silicon lottery.
You could also just leave it at stock voltage and bump up the clock, but this will make it a little warmer since silicon magic or some shit, i dunno how it works.
Either way you should at least tweak some things, leaving it at stock is wasteful.

>>60341277

Fuck you!

The hardware necessary for 1440p is hundreds of dollars more. Not to mention you can buy a 27" 1080p@144hz monitor for $260 and the same thing in 1440p will cost you $404.

And not only that, but here's the math behind 1080p vs 1440p @144hz.

1920x1080 = 2073600
2560x1440 = 3686400

So just to display one frame means that you're going to display 56% MORE pixels.

Okay so lets do that over 144 frames per second.

1440p @ 144hz = 530841600 total pixels changed
1080p @ 144hz = 298598400 total pixels changed

That's a huge amount of extra power needed for (realistically) not that much of a difference.

So to get a truly acceptable framerate, 100fps minimum, you're going to need a GTX1080 (or 1080ti if you're playing the Witcher 3 or something else that's really demanding) and a 6700k or 1700x minimum. But if you want to get the same framerate at 1080p, you can scale down to a gtx1060, an i5 or 1600, and you can get some really solid performance for literally hundreds of dollars less.

Framerate > amount of pixels.

>>60341389
Will do thanks.
Also can you recommend a mid tower case.
My antec 300 has rust and mildew. I am gonna replace it.

>>60341191
>it's like you have no fucking clue what I was saying in >>60340706 but you decided to comment anyway
k

>>60341406
100fps in witcher is really necessary. The game heralded for it's graphics. Yo must want 1080p 100fps for that. Not a 1440 40-60+fps
Please use caps next time to highlight your autistic screeching.

1440p is really unnecessary atm unless you are a richfag.

>>60341484

>autistic screeching

Yeah right, I'm just tired of you idiots trying to shove unnecessary hardware down every person's throat in these threads. You guys need to be realistic about what people are looking for.

>>60341476
You said "GCN performs far better when it's VRAM starved." And it's not true. I can't prove that either card is VRAM starved in those tests I admit but I have seen absolutely no evidence that a 4GB polaris is a better option than a 3GB 1060 on the basis of VRAM.

>>60341515
>You guys need to be realistic about what people are looking for.
Let's recap
>Example: he said that 1080p is the way to go for my budget but some people here are saying 1080p is shit.
He can get a 1440 for what he wants to do on his budget and his games.
You're the fucking retard that came in posts a blazing.
And you cannot deny that 1440 is graphically more pleasing than 1080 at any reasonable size of monitor.

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>>60341547
>provides no evidence to the contrary
>but it's totally not true!

You are a moron and should not be arguing anything in regards to technology.

I've got a i5-3570k and a HD 7950. I want to upgrade to a 1070, should I buy another processor as well? Or should I just buy a better cooler and overclock my i5?

>>60341674
Oh great, the supremest of cherry picking.
Battlefield 1 on DX12 is the only title that behaves like this. It's unfortunate but it's the exception rather than the norm.
Performance in DX11 is fine

What do you guys use your pc for? I dont even game anymore so Im sitting on a brick basically

hello. please reply
does ryzen have any linux compatibilty issues?
does ryzen have any issues with nvidia gpus?
does anyone have gigabyte ab350m-d3h or asus prime b350m motherboards and what can you say about them?

>>60338395

Don't clone a HDD to an SSD, that's fucking stupid.

Just download Win10 iso, write to USB and install it fresh. Trus'me daddi

>>60341753
>does ryzen have any linux compatibilty issues?
It's actually better performance wise for the things people usually use linux for since they tend to be multithreaded
>does ryzen have any issues with nvidia gpus?
For gaming? Yes but a very small problem. In like 2 games the higher end nvidia cards just don't try past a certain point, it's not a bottlenecking thing, some sort of driver/game glitch that leaves a 1070 and 1080ti having pretty similar performance but I've really only seen this in rise of the tomb raider and one other game, i forget which, other than that it's fine.

>>60341731
>cherry picking
>by showing a game that uses over 3Gb of VRAM to show how VRAM starving affects Nvidia cards more
shut
the
fuck
up
you are such a fucking moron. You can't comprehend this basic shit adults are speaking so you cry.

>>60341830
thank you!

>>60341830
Wasn't it also in squid kids and rockleage or some shit, where a 480/580 actually performs better than a 1080

>>60338395
If you're on windows it will probably disable your license from that.
There's some sort of weird background checking thing windows does where it throws a hissy fit if you change too many components form when you first installed it.
A hard drive change will probably trip it, it did for me, but i also change the motherboard at the same time so it could have been both.
I gave windows customer support a call and explained that it was because my HDD was failing and they gave me a (super long) code that unlocked windows again for me, so maybe that'll work for you.

How the hell is the rx 480 (and by extension the 580) still the same performance level as a hd7970

http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-RX-480-vs-Radeon-HD-7970

Was it that good of a card? Or is amd that bad of a company when it comes to gpus?

>>60340510

RX 580 want 500w power supply. 450w may do, but I'd probs recommend 500/550w just to be safe/bit of head room.

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Any cheap SSD rec? It needs to be around 250gb at least (because 2 windows installs + games + core work programs like Premiere/Photoshop/AfterFX) and actually DURABLE enough so I don't get paranoid about write cycles.

I don't care about lightning fast shit as long there's a noticeable improvement in the load times of every little shits in a folder.

I don't even care about the absolute fastest boot and load times that much, I just want a snappy system while I actually use it in general. I tends to multi task a lot.
I'm not sure if an SSD would really help with this honestly, technically an hybrid HDD should fit my needs better since it automatically cache the most accessed files, but I was told last thread hybrids are a meme.

>>60341728
For 1440p, it won't bottle neck you too hard. For 1080p it will.
I wouldn't bother overclocking the 3570k though. It's not worth it. Replacing it with a 3770k would give you far more benefit than overclocking would.

>>60341846
I'll say it one more time incase you missed it
DX12 in that game dramatically drops performance. See here: https://youtu.be/fX2vE-P9eJ0?t=544
And that is only one game in response to like, i dunno, the 12 or somehting games i showed before so you have no right to dismiss a cherry picking claim.

>>60341753
>does ryzen have any linux compatibilty issues?
No. Cross platform applications seem to run more than 10% faster on Ryzen on Linux.
My 1600X runs on Linux fine except Coretemp isn't reporting.
It also seems to run at 2.2/3.4GHz, usually at 0.24v. It's also absurdly cooler than my i7-4770HQ which has the same clocks. lol. I really want this in a laptop so bad.

>does ryzen have any issues with nvidia gpus?
Nvidia driver has performance issues on Ryzen. Nvidia said they're working on it I think?
Things will still be playable but.. not as high of averages as you should get, as much as 30% lower in some cases, and much less smooth.

>does anyone have gigabyte ab350m-d3h or asus prime b350m motherboards
I hear lm_sensors isn't picking up on Gigabyte boards right now. They picked up on my ASRock 350m Pro 4 just fine.

>>60341968
thank you too very much

>>60341968
>not as high of averages as you should get, as much as 30% lower in some cases, and much less smooth

Damn really? Any sources?

Hi guys, i have an Mini-ITX build on my desk. Atm i have just one SSD. Do u think a Hdd would be a noisefactor? Thx

Does a Ryzen 5 1600 use less power than a Phenom II x4 960T?

>>60341863
Rocket league was the one i was thinking of.
No idea what squid kids is supposed to be. Splatoon? That's a console game you dill.

>>60341895
>gpuboss
You are doing it wrong.
http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-RX-480-vs-AMD-HD-7970/3634vs2163

>>60338368
Falcon has been here longer than you and has helped more than you ever wilk.
Back to r*ddit retard.

>>60342012
It should do, yeah.
You can also undervolt ryzen by quite a lot.
I've seen people running stock 1700s at around 1volt which cuts power even more.

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>>60341957
Holy fuck you're embarrassing yourself so much.

You should really deleted all the comments you've made in this thread. I've bet you've made idiotic ones in others that you should delete as well. Delete it all.
One day you may realize how stupid you are and the regret may otherwise drive you to suicide.

>>60342075
Falcon has also been caught on his other trip "Jordan" Being a legitimate shill.

>>60342080
pretty fascinating how it uses less power than a much weaker chip

>>60340174
whats bad about sapphire? both my 8gb nitro 480s seem fine. only thing i dont like is the trixx software for it.

>>60342095
their 480 nitro was a housefire but 580 is ok as i heard

$200 Canada bucks to spend on storage.
MX300 275GB SSD + 1TB HDD
or
MX300 525GB SSD

>>60342091
It's been a long time since phenom and ryzen actually has the best perf/watt on the market right now aside from gaming.

>>60342134
the second one. 1TB HDDs are a stupid buy now anyway unless you're ultra poor fag.
You can get a 2TB one for like $20 more in a lot of cases though i dont know how much that is in canada bux.
Either way it'll take you a bit to fill up 500GB, save up and get a better HDD then.

>>60342075
>t. Falcon
Being here a long time doesn't forgive being an unadulterated shill.

>>60342063
$592 for a 7970
come on now.

>>60342134
1 if you delete your porns and Chinese cartoons

2 if you want to buy a 2TB HDD late.

>>60342241
That's old price.

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Is 110 € a good deal for a used 970 Gigabyte G1?

I have a 270 and was trying to upgrade to something good without breaking the bank

>>60341915
Why would I replace it with a 5 year old processor? (serious question)

>>60342296
That's a very good price for a 970

>>60342300
Because the 3770k can work on the same board and same DDR3 memory.
There are many reasons to just get something newer like a 1600, sure, but that costs a lot more.

>>60342265
it was never $592

>>60342339
Mhhh, the 3770k seems still to cost about 220€ on ebay. A non-stock cooler would cost me 30€. How much performance gain can I expect comparing it with an overclocked 3570k?

>>60342384
>>60342265
>>60342241
It's AUD you ding dongs.

Need a good mouse.

No gay men shit.

>>60342410
not him but i remember mine being $450 or some

>>60342440
microsoft basic mouse
microsoft intellimouse 3 (good luck finding a legit one)

>>60342339
Different anon, but a newer i5 would need a new mobo and RAM?

>>60342463
Oh my god it's a benchmark comparison site, not a shop.
the $592 is probably from release or the last price the site's tracker saw before it wasn't available on the market anymore.
Of course you got a 7970 for less than that, the AUD wasn't that bad back in 2012 and the prices dropped fast after the 600 series came out.

>>60340791
$.99 starting auction on ebay.

>>60338189
I have a 5 year old DDR3 board.
Is it worth upgrading the board to get DDR4 RAM?

>>60342403
You can expect a 5-15% increase from overclocking and 5-45% increase with the 3770k.

>>60342477
Kabylake and Ryzen are DDR4 only...

>>60342519
Um.. it's worth it for getting a newer better CPU, new features like M.2 and USB 3.1, along with the DDR4.
It's not worth it just for the DDR4 alone except in shittily programmed games like FO4.

>>60342519
ddr4 ram is just a meme atm.
Save your money for a SSD drive.

>>60341406
>56% MORE pixels
>(realistically) not that much of a difference.

Anons on cyka blyat board compare their set ups:
7700k+GTX1070 gives higher fps than [email protected]+GTX1080.
Ryzen is simply not enough to utilize full potential of 1080 - it downgrades it to 1070 level.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lY9xghPy-uQ&feature=youtu.be

>advising ryzen for gaming
Stop ruining pc builds for other people, shills

>>60342335
Yeah I thought so.
I just need to find out if the guy selling it raped it for years or used it normally.
Would be neat since I could sell my 270 for 60ish, and not even change my shitty 550W psu

>>60342602
people on /g/ do other stuff than game. The idea of compiling gentoo in 10 seconds appeals to me

How well will a Ryzen 5 1600 & RX 580 handle 1080p?

>>60342554
>Kabylake and Ryzen are DDR4 only...
Well fuck, they should have made it backwards compatible.

>>60339633
>>60339655
>>60339695
Well, my monitor says "No signal" when I turn on PC...
Replaced GPU - same
Removed/switched places RAM - same
Monitor works on different PC
When I turn PC on, fans are spinning, although I can't turn NUM/CAPS lock on keyboad

I have no idea what else it could be...

>>60340120
MSI gayman series is nice

What are some good form fitting speakers? Neat little rectangular prisms. Still want a bit of clarity in my audio though, loudness doesn't matter since I've got a pissy roomie who can't handle a small bit of bass leaking through the plaster walls (which I've ordered acoustic foam to try and take care of a bit - seems to work a little,no complaints in a month)

Honestly I just want speakers that look good. I don't use the speakers have that often as is - I use muh DAC.
I may just craft some fake speakers in my workshop if I can't find any reasonably priced sleek speakers, however.

>>60342625
Almost perfection.

>>60342602
the were fact you are using just one game as a benchmark gives yourself away as a fanboy/unpaid shill
also
>OC'ing your 7700k
bad goy, bad
also
>2017
>using your pc as an exclusively gaming console
lel

>>60342625
very well, the 1600 OC's very well and the 580 is the best card for 1080p at the moment

>>60342602
>1080p
it is already known that zen sucks at 1080p. higher resolutions are on par with 7700k.

>>60342619
Fair enough. I am just saying that telling people that want a gaming pc to get ryzen instead of i7 is retarded. Productivity is another thing.

>>60342659
Don't be hurt, baby
>>60342671
Too bad 80%+ people play on 1080p, and less than 1% have 4k. Also, zen in on par with 7700k on higher resolutions not because it becomes better but because those resolutions are gpu bottlenecked. When we get better gpus, 7700k will lead in those resolutions too.

Realisitally how much difference does it make getting a $100 mobo from a $50 one?
Besides connectors i mean.

>>60342686
>Don't be hurt, baby
why do you gotta give up so fast

>>60342686
it is common knowledge that ryzen is about 8% slower for gaming but much better than current i7s for basically everything else.
1 benchmark doesn't tell the whole story, i'm sure there are some games where the 1700 stomps 7700k.

Will I really notice a difference when using an Nvidia GPU over AMD for things like hobbyist work in Lightroom, Premiere and Photoshop? I want to build an entry level workstation and gaymen PC with a R5 1600 but the RX480 is cheaper than the 1060 where I live so I'd rather get the card with more VRAM.

>>60342784
>8% slower
In that video ryzen with GTX1080 is 8% slower than 7700k with GTX1070.
>i'm sure there are some games where the 1700 stomps 7700k.
There are none. But there are games where i7 will stomp ryzen: any mmo, arma, dayz, pubg, unity based games, simulators.

>>60342625
Just get a 4Gb RX570 for 1080p. Check Digital Foundry's RX570 review. The value for 1080p 60fps+ is absurd.
You will have to drop some settings to "high" in newer games, but it'll look the same. Most games you can run maxed, especially if you overclock it.

>>60342784
>""for gaming"""
Only if you go by averages. The minimums are generally better, which matters more.

>>60342829
>Only if you go by averages. The minimums are generally better, which matters more.
Check >>60342602
i7 with worse gpu has better averages and better minimums. So, don't lie to anons. Ryzen might have better minimums only in some aaa games. In any popular game it sucks. It can't even produce 60 fps in mmos in full areas.

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>>60342809
well it doesn't really matter much now that ryzen is a success, it's impressive that AMD has closed the performance gap as much as they did, nobody seems to be disappointed in their purchases.

>>60342501
so your saying we shouldnt trust that site because it displays false and conflicting data?

>>60342519
cpu probs wont support it. if its am3+ no boards with ddr4 were ever released

>>60342853
On mindfactory.de all ryzen combined are nowhere near even the half of sales of 7700k. On amazon all bestsellers tab is full of intel and some fx, though it updates every month.
Ryzen is selling, no doubt, but thinking that it would outsell intel is being delusional.

Most people buy prebuilt pcs with intel anyway.

>>60342883
nobody said anything of the sort you literal fucking intel fanboy.

>>60342790
>lightroom, premiere, photoshop
You should buy an Intel CPU.

Hardware:
Case: NZXT S340 Blue/Black
CPU: Intel i7 7700k @5.0ghz
GPU: MSI GTX 970 4gb
MOBO: MSI Pro Gaming z270
RAM: 16bg Corsair Vengeance LED @3k mhz
Cooling: Corsair H100i V2 Liquid
PSU: EVGA 700w
Storage: 128gb Samsung evo pro SSD, 2TB WD Caviar Black HDD

Peripherals:
Keyboard: Logitech G810 RGB
Mouse: SteelSeries Rival 300 CS:GO Hyperbeast Skin edition
Display: Benq 24' 144hz and Asus 24' 144hz
Mousepad: Steelseries basic pad
Headset: Hyperx Cloud 2 Black/White
Speakers: some random Logitech setup

>>60338212
Actually.... no. It doesn't. Years ago you did need a sound card with a optical SPDIF output to get great sound from a computer.

These days you just need a modern graphics card, they can all do audio over HDMI and that is the current best option for carrying digital sound to "modern" surround receivers.

I personally find that this is the "best" option extremely annoying. There are ZERO surround receivers on the market that will show up as a USB sound card but a $30 BlueTooth headset will happily show up as both a BT Audio device and a USB sound card if you plug it in with USB. What do high-end receivers have instead? Oh you can plug in a USB stick with MP3's on them and play those. Yay because anyone needs.. that. Really, what are they thinking?

>>60342335
fuck my cpu, 4430 supports only up to 2gb vram

>>60342899
>oh no, he tells the truth
>he must be fanboy

>>60342938
>>60342335
actually, nevermind. i am fucking retarded

>>60342938
That's the iGPU.
You could run a 970 with a pentium 4 if you wanted.

>>60342903
Why would I buy a CPU that performs worse in those applications and have fewer cores?

>>60342967
>worse in those applications
Prove it, anon.

>>60342965
yeah for some reason my brain skipped a couple cycles. I always need to find something wrong

I need a case with good cooling and acceptable noise isolation. Currently looking at Define S. Any comments or suggestions?

>>60338189
>https://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/
>i3
Dumb

>>60342853
>>60342883

Look at the price of a Ryzen system and you'll quickly see that it's probably not a major success.

These prices are SEK converted to USD.

>AMD Ryzen 7 1800X: 614.88
>Intel doesn't have a consumer CPU in that pricerange.

> AMD Ryzen 7 1700X: $446
> Intel Core i7-7700K: $425

> AMD Ryzen 7 1700: $380
> Intel Core i7-6700K: 380

> AMD Ryzen 5 1600: $280
> Intel Core i5-7600K: $295

> AMD Ryzen 5 1400: $205
> Intel Core i5-6400: $220

As I've said before, when the Athlon XP came out it offered incredible value compared to Intel. The same was true for the Phenom II. This time around they've priced their CPUs at about the same value or slightly less value than the Intel equivalents. The value proposition is essentially 1:1 not 1:1.5 or 1:2.

We'll see what the numbers are in AMDs next quarterly report but I seriously doubt these CPUs are selling like hot potatoes. Perhaps AMD figures that it's better to sell fewer CPUs at a higher profit margin, who knows their reasons.

>>60342986
Moar cores > less cores

>Crash my computer 3-4 times OC'ing my new CPU
>Manage to get it to 3,8Ghz without changing the voltage

Should I try going higher? It's a 1700x and it should be able to go to 4.0.

Any good mATX motherboards for Ryzen yet?

>>60343096
Single core is best, dual core is overkill

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>>60342852
>Check >>60342602
are you a manipulative shill or just an idiot?
Everyone knows that's a problem of Nvidia's driver.

Try it on reddit or something. Most of /g/ knows better.

>>60343092
> AMD Ryzen 7 1700X: $446
> Intel Core i7-7700K: $425
i would take intel

> AMD Ryzen 7 1700: $380
> Intel Core i7-6700K: 380
intel again

> AMD Ryzen 5 1600: $280
> Intel Core i5-7600K: $295
ryzen

> AMD Ryzen 5 1400: $205
> Intel Core i5-6400: $220
ryzen again but i would prefer to save up and get r5 1600

>>60343106
>it should be able to go to 4.0.
there is no guarantee for that and i think 200mhz is not worth rising the voltage

>>60343127
>>60343092
Have you forgotten the price of the motherboards?

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>>60343092
>>60343127 (samefag)
>"system" cost
>only lists CPU costs. Not motherboard and cooling costs. Or electricity cost, for that matter.
hm.......!

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/FdcXBP

>>60343092
Yeah let's skip the motherboard and the cooler because jews gotta jew

Am I the only one who thinks R3 will outsell R5, since they're targeting the i3 that is dual core? There's absolutely no reason to get a dual core CPU in a desktop PC in 2017 unless you're so poor that you shouldn't be looking at building a PC in the first place.

>>60343138
Well of course there is no guarantee that it can. I had it stable for a while on 3,9ghz without changing the voltage, but stress testing killed it and I went down to 3,8.

I imagine if I upped the voltage by a little bit I could have it stable at 3,9 under a stress test.

if you buy quad cores in 2017 for gaymen you're going to choke like a retard, only the 7700k can keep up anymore

>>60343156
Two weeks till vega launches. Should cause those to home down in price.
I wouldn't trust thermaltake over those either.

>>60343171
Price and point. If r3 beats the g4560 and 7100 and is at a low enough price point then hell yeah, if it has an igpu

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>>60342790
Nah it's fine, CUDA performances used to be on top a long time ago but now AMD did a great job and the advantage CUDA has is barely worth talking about it.
But make sure you configured your programs to use the cards in the renderer settings, it's not automatic (but you'll notice once you render 4K projects in 6 hours when they should be ready in 30 min)

Also you need regular ram for this type of work, not especially vram.

>>60343141
Not a same fag and i rated performance and future proofness more than price if you buy i7k or ryzen 7 its clear you are willing to spend money

>>60343139
>>60343160
No, I did not forget the motherboard because it does not matter.

A good AMD AM4 motherboard with the features I'd want: $190.
A good Intel motherboard with the features I'd want: also about $190.

The same applies to a good cooler. There's not even a price difference there, it would be the same cooler that comes with both intel and amd am4 brackets. And cooler isn't really an argument because there's a zillion that fit 1151 and four to choose between that fits AM4.

>>60343187
>Also you need regular ram for this type of work, not especially vram.
I know, I meant for gaymen

>>60342760
It depends on the bus speed, onboard features, max speed of ram, and amount of slots for gpu, ram ect. If you have specific ones in mind post them. I'll look and tell you the differences

>>60343202
>A REALLY good AMD AM4 motherboard with the features I'd want: $190
ftfy

>>60343171
i3 are pointless since g4560 and r3 will be priced similar to i3 not pentium
while performance wise i'm afraid they will lean more to i3 and pentium than to i5

>>60343181
vega wont beat it though right? but i get your point. Is a custom loop a better idea for this set up then? It sort of makes sense i guess.

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>>60343141
Not everyone who can do basic math is the same person.

>>60342760
not much until you plan to oc

>>60343254
It's a crap shoot with vega. It'll trade blows. But I wouldn't expect crossfire to be that viable at first because it's a new arch.
As for custom cooling, that comes down to you being capable of doing it or not. Of course you could throw money at someone else to do it for you.
Check out the corsair GTX water cooler, it's slightly quieter and performs better than noctua. I'm not that up to date on them tho.
There are bigger AIO's.

>>60343262
Wow, you watch the price of BTC while checking reddit. You mom must be proud.

>>60343348
Wow you sure showed him!

>>60343348
She is, and she's also very happy with the car I bought her last month.

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In case anyone is interested, I asked Asrock which USB ports are directly connected to the CPU and which are connected to the X370 chipset on the Taichi for latency purposes and they told me pic related.

>>60343319
cool, custom just looks scary because of the amount of things that can go wrong. seems like manufactureres of water cooling parts never honor that it could be a fault of their own product

>>60343376
He's the retard trying to disprove with a screenshot of (You)'s on not only the tech board. But with 4chanX that allows you to click a check box to remove (You) from posts or add them to them.

>>60343403
You're an Aussie. And a cashed up one at that. Shouldn't be a problem.

What kind of power supply is best?
Partpicker estimate 250W for my current build, is a 550W power supply overkill? I want the minimum possible consumption but a little room for 600-700Mhz cpu overclock.

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why is this mobo so expensive? its pretty ugly

>>60343429
If it's not much more for it, grab it. You should be able to re use it in future.

>>60343455
Oh, that's right. Thanks

>>60343429
>estimate 250W for my current build, is a 550W power supply
Actually, that's pretty perfect but it depends on the PSU manufacturer (which is not the same as the brand).

A typical CPU will be most efficient around 50-60% load. What you absolutely don't want is a PSU with a higher rating, all PSUs have the worst efficiency below 20% of their rated load.

>>60343406
oh wee woo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLfHuClrQdI

>>60343452
This is a secret, dont tell anyone but that is literally the best LGA1151 motherboard available.
It can OC cpus 200-300MHz higher than any other motherboard and it's special low latency PCIe can improve framerates by up to 30% in games.

>>60343392
Cool.
I figure the ones by the PS/2 are CPU connected for my Pro 4 but I'm not certain.

>>60343392
>low latency
>USB
Is this one of those oxygen idiots i've heard of?

Hi guys, I'm getting a static/cracking sound from my newly built PC.

i thought it was mobo until another anon told me to try with headphones, and there was no issues with headphones, but only monitor speakers.

Used my PS4, no static sounds so it isn't the monitor.

Must be the GPU?, Its an RX 480, in game I'm getting perfect frames so display FROM GPU is fine could it still be the GPU or anything else I should check?

>>60343704
PSU

Hey /pcbg/
In my town there's a few HGST 7200rpm 3TB HDDs going for about $60

What's the deal with them? Why are they so cheap? Also, they include 1 year warranty on them. I see that amazon sells them refurbished but my store advertizes them as new.

>fuckers are trying to steal my ram, gpu and mobo on amazon again
Fuck. I have to order early after all. I really hope the Gigabyte AB350M Gaming 3 isn't as bad as some youtuber is saying.

>>60343704
Try a different port or cable.
Then there's nothing else you can do besides replace every part in the computer one by one until you find a solution.
I once had freezes and audio skipping caused by a faulty hard drive. It wasn't even the OS drive or even being used when it happened.

>>60343429
I always get atleast a 400w psu. Depending on the types of upgrades and OCing you want to do. 400 is cheep and would leave room for upgrades on your pc. 550w wouldn't be overkill though. If you can afford it a bigger psu doesn't hurt

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What am i doing wrong, should I format the Samsung SSD, even tho other anons said not to, why isnt Samsung software detecting the SSD?

I have $500 and need a monitor and keyboard + mouse.

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/qcthr7

this should run stuff on low right?

>>60343836

its a Samsung 840 Pro

>>60343836
idk but
>canary

>>60343841
Depends on what stuff.
Not AAA games though, it's just integrated graphics.

>>60343783
I bought a 2TB one a few weeks back. I was a bit worried about the fact that it's refurbished at first, but the drive sounds fine so far (no clicking or other weird noises) and the SMART data checked out. Dunno for sure about the 3TB drives, but they're probably fine.

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>>60343887
>>60343887
>>60343887

>>60343841
>mouse
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/ggtWGX/steelseries-mouse-62351
>keyboard
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/
>monitor
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/Vbhj4D/aoc-monitor-i2379vhe

>>60343904
no...

>>60343864
damn, not even on lowest?

>>60343927
Games designed originally for last gen might barely be playable like MGSV and GTAV but nothing else will. expect 15-20FPS

>>60343927
With under 300 aussie doliarydoos you don't have a lot to work with. Keyboard is mechanical with good switches and mouse has a good sensor. You might just want to change the monitor. Though you wont find much in the price range

>>60340174
>Says sapphire is bad
>Suggests Asus card
loel

>>60343565
There probably is no difference at all, but given the choice, I prefer to connect my mouse and keyboard or game controller directly to the CPU instead of the chipset.

What's that oxygen thing you talk about?

>>60343508
Aren't those USB 2.0?
The Ryzen has 4 USB 3.0 ports connected directly to it. I don't think it has any 2.0 port, those are from the chipset.

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>>60338189


What AMD cpu will fix my problem?

>>60340416
Where does OP recommend a 3GB 1060?

>>60346027
In this link
http://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/