/wt/ watch thread

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>>60276683
First for the Rolex 3135.

>>60276713
HURRY UP AND ROLL OUT THE 3235 TO MORE MODEL ROLEX YOU SWISS MOUNTNDEW NIGGERS

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Discuss the new 3mm watch from Citizen.

https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/citizen-eco-drive-one-thinnest-light-powered-watch

>>60276736
I think the only current production Rolex model I would even consider buying new is a 36mm Explorer if they put a 3230 in it.

Otherwise I'll stick to pre maxicase models.

>>60276780
>new
who cares. it's too thin, and it's too expensive for what it is

>>60276676
>smart casual
what does this even mean? the only times I've heard this used IRL were for tech job interviews and it basically meant "not sweatpants"

and if you're wearing a Rolex but not a suit, you look like an idiot

>>60276892
>and if you're wearing a Rolex but not a suit, you look like an idiot
please stop post

>>60276912
(in this context)

I don't mean if you wear it like >>60276713

But come on, some accountant strutting around the office in his uniform and Rolex just looks goofy. We both know it.

>>60276919
you're so pathetic

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>>60276941
angry accountant detected

>>60276892
Saw my jacket and shirt in the pic? They aren't part of a suit. I'm wearing mud colored chinos to them. I always assumed a non suit "broken" combination of jacket, shirt and trousers without a tie are smart casual. Smth like casual friday at an uppity Office. But maybe I'm wrong.

>>60276919
Actually, a Rolex on a metal bracelet would be pretty much exactly office appropriate, as bracelets are less formal than leather straps can be.

Also Rolex's watches are ultimately sports watches, although dressy ones, and can be appropriate in a wide variety of contexts.

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fuck i missed this being sold for 600 eurobucks

>>60277286
Personally, I'm not much of a fan of Rolex's styling, but I can easily understand the appeal.

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>>60277286
I use my Explorer II at my blue collar job and also wear it to church in my formal wear, and it seems "natural" in both settings without me looking like an asshole. Obviously not a dress watch but I think it can be reasonably be pulled off, especially because the modern society has dress watches approaching the old model Explorer II in size.

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>>60277481
why does that penisquartz have a subsecond index?

>>60276209
>Recently Serviced. Keep away from water.
>Keep away from water.
mfw this watch is made of dark matter

>>60276780
Cool but way too expensive.
/discussion

>>60277663
yeah it's definitely not been serviced, nobody services nos

>>60277622
Wut? That isn't even a quartz.

Sup guys, first post please be gentle.

I am using an f-91-w as a daily driver because the chronograph function works well for my daily office routine (timing the brewing time of my coffee).

I don't really care that it is a shitter and wear it with confidence but still I get the appeal of a proper watch.

What would a reasonable upgrade be?

Some G-Shock?

>>60277800
Well analog chrono quartz for your needs. Invicta Speedracer

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>>60276683
Daily reminder that mechanical watches are just jewelry for trannies. These watches can't keep proper time, have abysmal power reserve and might break if you clap too hard. And don't forget the necessary 'servicing' to keep them fuckers spinning.

>>60277854
>stop liking what I don't like

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>this kills the Grand Seiko
Is this true? I heard the Anthony guy on jewtube said he wasnt that impressed with the step in quality over the Sarb (since the sarb is veryyy noiiicee)

>>60277872
If you've ever seen a GS in person, you'd know the difference.

Edges are much keener, polished surfaces are like mirrors, etc.
There is no comparison.

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>>60277800
check out casio tough solars like pic related or edifice solars, or citizen eco-drives. These watches will last you a decade or and take some abuse, and won't even require a battery change for a decade or two. Total fuss-free ownership.

>>60277800
ssb031

>>60277862
>What don't you like my jewelry? My p...precious.

>>60277839
>>60277902
>>60277912

Thanks guys!
These are some new options I'll look into.

>>60277800
G shocks are overrated and kind of gay. I would go with a Timex Weekender or Timex Expedition.

>>60277872
Literally who?

And considering that a Seiko Brightz obviously shits all over the finishing on a SARB at only twice the price, you can safely dismiss whoever the fuck you are talking about's comments as utter nonsense.

A GS is on a totally different planet than a SARB. There aren't too many watches whose finishing in every respect will stand up to microscopic examination.

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>>60276780
now try making the thinnest automatic

>>60277791
r/watches
go

>>60278111
what an awful render

>>60278111
Impressive.

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>>60278111
oops

>>60277791
>>>/plebbit/

>>60278129
>>60278287
Samefag much? You're the one that started with a pathetic attempt at memeing so it seems more your kind of place.

>>60278365
we're not the same person
just go back, here, I'll even make a link for you
https://reddit.com/r/watches

>>60277985
I actually own a Weekender (not a chrono version tough) which I really enjoy.

I came across a small issue though: a couple of weeks ago I was riding a bike down a cobbled street which made the hour indicator to move half an hour back.

I took it apart and readjusted it which wasn't too big of a deal but still a hassle.

Is this a problem with all watches with indicators or are there mechanical/quartz watches where this could not happen?

>>60278365
>Doesn't know what watch a penis quartz is
LURK MOAR

>>60278453
Vibration is like doom to any slightly unscrewed watchpart. I also had a ride on my bike down a somewhat cobbled road and my Amphibias rotor fell off the movement. Get a g shock

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What brands under $50 would you recommend for someone looking to try new mechanical watches?
I know there are some good timex and seikos under $50, but I already have one of these and now I'm looking something different, it doesn't matter if it is from a third world country.
Will report the quality here if I find something promising.

>>60278901
>mechanical under $50
i'm assuming you're not expecting something new?
vintage soviet.

>>60278901
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=web&id=302297764689&globalID=EBAY-US

I've been thinking of buying an entry level automatic mechanical watch. I fired up google and found many articles suggesting that the Seiko 5 series are all good entry level mechanicals. What is /wt/'s take on this?

t: watch-newfag

>>60279126
yes it's true

>>60279132
Are other models better/worse than others? I've been eyeing this one
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Seiko-Automatic-5-Sports-textile-SNZG09-K1/dp/B005NYLO08/

>>60279194
They all contain the same movement, and quality is pretty much equal between them (some have a slightly higher level of finishing however(.

>>60279194
yeah i suppose, some more expensive models are a bit better built, but you get what you pay for. the snzg is fine.

>>60279126
Seiko 5
Orient Tristar
Citizen Seven

All entry level jap mechs. All made for the 3rd world market where battery changes were, at the time of the models' introduction, difficult to get a hold of.

Wear them daily until they grind their gears into metal dust, which can be anywhere up to 30 years.

Has anyone shipped a watch to Shane in Toronto? I am having mixed feelings about putting a couple thousand dollars in the post.

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>>60276683
>[YouTube] The Holocaust Hoax Exposed - Steven Anderson
kek

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>>60279424
I try to do a little bit of God's work every day. Come for the memes, stay for the salvation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Oj6Io5rQ1Y

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Heyoo

>>60279687
Does it actually work?

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>>60279668
>tfw they deleted TGSNT but you saved it as well as a few others
use this one next

>>60279758
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HWxKahieBY&sns=em

What is the best way to clean rust off watch parts

>>60279984
PB Blaster

>>60279365
Would the cost to insure the package be prohibitive?

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>>60279731
Yes except there's No analoog signals to recieve/watch.

>>60279984
Glass fiber brush

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mens-SEIKO-Quartz-Day-And-Date-Watch-/122471953824
cop?

>>60280516
yes

Who are some /wt/ approved celebrities?

>>60276683
Is $3,500-ish a good price for a used SBGA011?

It's either that or a brand new Black Bay Bronze...

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>>60280577

>>60280250
I could insure the package but is he reputable ?

>>60280516
>UK delivery only
Phuck me dead I would have outbid you do fast bud
Enjoy

>>60280577
Paul McCartney
Ringo Starr
Ed Sheeran
Brad Pitt
John Mayer
Ronald Reagan
Donald Trump
Steve fucking McQueen

>>60280516
Hmn.
Case is a little rough.
But that subtle dial texture, hnggg

>>60280708
>Ed Sheeran

Fuck off, that guy could have the most patrician taste in horology and I'd still gladly kick him down a well and watch him drown

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>>60280769
That's called a punchable face. His Pateks are fucking sweet though

>>60280708
>>60280577
Charlie Sheen
Vlad Putin
Rafael Nadal
Bubba Watson

>>60280646
He is regarded as one of the best watchmakers in Southern Ontario, at worst second to only Al Archer. At least three /wt/ participants have brought watches to him for service and he does all of my watches (I'm >>60276713).

I bought a Moto 360 2015 because it was getting the 2.0 update. Biggest mistake ever.

>>60281096
The only smart watch I would even consider buying would be a Pebble due to the eink display (and thus long battery life), but they aren't made anymore.

>>60280809

What are these Donald Trump hands?

>>60281096

Why would you buy aging technology that's getting updated with newer software?

>>60281132
I get two days to a charge currently. More than my phone so it is reasonable.

>>60281209
That's not bad really, but eink affords something like a week and a half to two.

>>60281186
Even smaller.

>>60280583
S N O W F R A K E
N O W F R A K E
O W F R A K E
W F R A K E
F R A K E
R A K E
A K E
K E
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>>60280583
Damn nigga.
We're looking at two entirely different ends of the spectrum here.
If you were to go BB, avoid the bronze. Or consider a Pelagos.


Consider the condition and service record of the snowflake and it may be a real good price.

I put on my rolex watch and I just love to strut I can't help it. strut here strut there strutting everywhere

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>>60280583
BB Bronze looks kinda like shit if it patina wrong, if it were me I would go pic related.

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>>60281553
Not the other dude but it doesn't look bad with some patina

>>60278901
>>60278926
You can get a Bocтoк for ~$35 or if you look around I'm sure you can find a SNK809 for sub$50 since they're only $52.

>>60281708
>tfw $6000 saved up
>tfw can't spend it on fine luxuries like this bronze BB
why live

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>>60280577
Ronnie O'Sullivan

>>60280583
I would go for the BB Bronze. Seems a more unique piece overall than an overpriced Quartz.

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$3 aliexpress mesh just arrived, kind of sucks that the color doesn't match

>>60283519
That looks bad my man

>>60283519
Looks good enough in the picture, probably looks fine at the distance anyone other than you is going to see the watch.

>>60280583
>Is $3,500-ish a good price for a used SBGA011?

Absolutely. As long as it's not beat to shit or anything go for it.

>>60283544
yeah i agree, probably won't ever wear it out like this, but for $3 what did i have to lose? i have a similar silver mesh and shark mesh coming in that i'm going to try on my speedmaster reduced, i expect those to look much worse.

>>60282500
You investing it? Or you have it planned for a necessary expense?

>>60283797
I'll start a /biz/ once I finish finals or invest in small cap indices for autismbux

>>60283847
Yeah, I got a few hundred dollars profit in cryptos this weekend. It was pretty bullish across the board.

Can get a watch later, after profits.

>>60284101
This summer is looking good. I'd like to become a patron of the horological arts, but I must be wise now so I can become a consistent patron in hopefully the near future. I hope you will be wise and save that money as well.

What watch for to wish on birthday??

>>60284307
What fuck you are saying??

>>60284361
What for watch me for wish to birthday present?

>>60284397
All of them

>>60284499
man I from Russia not many rich

>>60284527
What is the $ limit?

>>60284527
Get a Boctok

>>60284570
5000 lindens

>>60284584
Zeitwerk minute repeater

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>>60284307
>>60284361
>>60284397
>>60284499
>>60284527
>>60284570
>>60284584
>>60284643

>4chan

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>>60283299
>ETA 2824-2 in a fancy dress
>Unique
>For $3,500
>Spring Drive
>Just an overpriced quartz
What could this creature have intended to convey with such displays?

>>60284816
The BB Bronze has an inhouse caliber, not ETA

>>60279000

This is a solid watch. I would buy that over an apple watch.

Thoughts on strela?

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>>60284875
They're good, though the price has gone up a lot over the last two years, and they are very thick.

>>60284307
Eтa Bocтoк Aмфибия

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>>60277800

>>60284922
What did you type to get this?

>>60284971
>Eтa Bocтoк Aмфибия

>>60284982
I pity you if that is not from a translator.

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Thoughts on Seiko 5? Pretty cheap, should I cop?

>>60285093
Yes if you want

>>60284971
I can't get screenshot to work, but my phone has a Cyrillic keyboard.

>>60276683
Most watches are socially acceptable autism for moderately well to do people FYI.

They're like designer cargo shorts for your wrist. Gaudy shit that advertises you're a chump with cash to burn.

>>60285397
t. jealous desperately aspirational poorfaggot.

>>60284840
Well, fuck me dead, I didn't realize that. In that case pick your poison between the BBB and the Snowfrake.

Between those two specifically I'd go snowfrake, but I'd take an in-house Pelagos over either of them.

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>>60284922
Speaking of Bocтoк mine just arrived.

>>60285571
Wrong, I'm just a watch elitist who wishes the autists would fuck off.

Mechanical engineering obsessed autists ruin everything. Cars, trains, watches, etc...

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>>60285616
>in-house Pelagos

I just wish it wasn't thicker than the ETA version, or have a novel on the dial.

>>60285654
Okay, now I'm interested. How do mechanical engineering obsessed autists ruin watches for a watch elitist who isn't a mechanical engineering obsessed autist?

>>60276713
Hnnng that strap. W2c/what are they called?

>>60285093
the cheapest auto watch out, how can you go wrong

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>>60285658
Yeah, I hear you, but even with those faults its one of the best true mechanical tool watches on the market at any price. There is pretty much this and the in-house Damaskos if you want functional tool watch aesthetics with a high-end production movement.

>>60285733
It's an EULIT perlon strap. They are named perlons for the special type of nylon they are made with. Only the original EULIT ones are any good, all the knockoffs are garbage.

The particular one in that image is a panama in brown. If you are in North America you can get them from Holben's Fine Watch Bands.

>>60285696
By making watches that much more associated with autism. Which gets problematic as soon as you introduce normies who can't tell a tasteful watch from an autist one.

I'm just glad it's nowhere near as bad as trains.

>>60286052
>hurhr look at my buzzwordz XD
yeah you're just shitposting

where can I get decent 21mm straps

tfw bambino shitter

>>60286052
Oh, please do explain where the distinction is between tasteful watches and autistic watches? Can you give some examples of each?

>>60286341
Go for 22mm - they'll fit fine

>>60284499
>>60284570
>>60284643
fuck off ninefag

>>60285359
Eтa means "this." In that context, it doesn't make sense. "Bocтoк Aмфибия" would've been better.

>>60285749
>Damaskos
>high end movement
What did he meant by this?

>>60285654
The exact same way autists like you ruin cars, trains, watches, etc...

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>>60286556
I mean that Damasko's in-house A35 movement is demonstrably on the very high-end of PRODUCTION movements.

It has:
- in-house silicon hairspring
- in-house silicon balance wheel
- in-house silicon escape wheel
- free sprung balance wheel
- gyromax regulating cams
- 28,800 bph

To be honest, I'm actually somewhat suspicious of it because this is a technological leap akin to going from buying engines to developing a formula 1 engine in a single step. Nonetheless, you cannot describe a series produced movement with these technical specifications as anything other than high-end (for a production movement).

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They keep fucking doing it

>>60286688
Making trash??

>>60286686
>To be honest, I'm actually somewhat suspicious of it because this is a technological leap akin to going from buying engines to developing a formula 1 engine in a single step. Nonetheless, you cannot describe a series produced movement with these technical specifications as anything other than high-end (for a production movement).
So? Bvlgari also made the same leap with their watches. They went from garbage fashion watch-tier to haute horlogerie-tier

>>60281073
But if I ship it to him does he pay the insurance cost to ship it back? How does that work

>>60286550
Ah I was remembering it as the.

>>60286803
The challenges are quite different. One can, in essence, hire away the problem at Bvlgari as they are doing haute horlogerie and thus can simply hire enough talent and equip them since so much of the work is done by hand.

Designing a movement as technically complex as the A35 to be able to be manufactured on series production basis as your very first in-house caliber is not a challenge you can hire away. Nomos literally spent several years and several millions Euros developing the capacity to design and manufacture their own escapements on a production basis.

In fact, as far as I am aware, Nomos and Damasko are the only two companies to have newly developed the capacity to design and manufacture movements on a production basis including escapements in the post-quartz era.

Now, Nomos has discussed at length with various members of the press the challenges they faced in developing such a technical capacity, and they were talking about conventional metallic escapements with conventional regulators. Damasko went straight to a silicon escapement and gyromax regulation. Not even Rolex/Tudor use gyromax style regulation cams on their movements.

Maybe a simple analogy to show how I feel this distinction affects things is to compare how successful the co-axial escapement was in Daniel's own pieces vs. how much of a fiasco its implementation on a production basis at Omega turned into.

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Where can I get a W-86 in the US for cheap? They seem to only be readily available in Britbongistan.

>>60287107
They're like $23 on ebay dude, if that's not cheap get a real fucking job

>>60286921
They can hire away like Bvlgari. Omega just sucks because they're owned by the Swatch group, meaning they will cut as many corners as possible while riding on the brand's reputation from the past, all the while advertising their watches as "high-end" Swiss when that is clearly no longer the case. Damasko doesn't have Swatch-tier money to advertise, so they have to build a reputation from the ground up.

Why the hell are A Lange Sohne and Patek so insanely expensive?

Seiko, Rolex and Omega are plenty good brands, aren't they?

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Th 'genuine leather' strap is already showing wear and tear in this warm weather.

I knew it was low quality but that was quick.

Bond NATO is going on this bitch now until winter returns. I'll see about getting a perlon as well or something.

>>60287323
I'm not sure how to reconcile the idea that Damasko could just hire the necessary talent to leap straight to making some of the most high end production movements on the market with how arduous the process apparently was for Nomos, and with no other new player having taken the step of developing the capacity to manufacture escapements on a production basis in 40 years.

I guess one argument that could be made is that Damasko is making a35s in such small numbers as to effectively make them semi-handmade and thus not subject to the kinds of teething problems that Nomos faced in trying to develop the capacity to manufacture proprietary escapements by the thousands per year.

>>60286821
I would assume you would pay shipping and insurance both ways. I don't know for sure as I just go see him in person.

>>60287414
fuck off tristano

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>>60287468

I'm not cool enough to know what tristano means.

>>60287429
german wizards

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>>60287331
Seiko, Rolex, and Omega are fine brands. Patek and Lange have watch finishing that is on another planet from any of those three, and may also have significantly more complications.

The only stuff from those three that competes with Lange, Patek, etc. are things like Credor (Eichi, etc) or Omega museum pieces. By and large, the three you listed occupy a lower tier of watches.

>>60287616

I've read reviews from people that have handled Pateks and GS's. They say the finishing is nearly on par.

>>60287690
The GS finishing is very, very good - don't get me wrong - but the level of finishing, particularly on the movement, in most Pateks is where I've seen the most difference.

I won't personally argue that the difference is worth the price, but in my experience the fact that there is a difference is clear.

>>60287757
>>60287690
Yes, it's mostly movement finishing. Blued screws, perlage, geneva stripes, etc. With those mid-end Swiss companies you don't get that same kind of movement finishing. There are much more interesting brands for haute horlogerie though, ones that outdo PP.

>>60287792
This is all true, but I will note that Rolex and GS have very good functional finishing on their movements, they simply don't have quite the same level of functional finishing or anywhere near the level of decorative finishing that the haute horlogerie brands do.

You are in essence comparing production watches to handmade watches. They are totally different animals, and the amount of workmanship per piece grows exponentially with haute companies.

>>60287831
Of course. But that is what warrants the differences in asking prices.

>>60287202
They're all from the UK and charge another $8 for shipping. I just wanna know if I can get one for the price of an average Casio digital (meaning not $30).

>>60276683
I would love one of these with an engraved case by the guy who did the engraved SARB017s. Hands down my grail watch.

pppphhhhuck me ded

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>>60284942
:^)

>>60288639
I gotta be completely honest with you there
Your watch is a phucking shitter
Shittuuurrrrrrr

If I was to get a high end watch, wouldn't it be safer to get a Grand Seiko since the repair is easier? Aren't Pateks and Langes more complicated?

Then again, by the time I consider these watches, I'll probably be retired and near death

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>>60288740

>>60286688
This hurts me. It's not even a question of taste. It's like people who wear a chrono and don't know why their seconds hand doesn't work/why everything is moving.

>>60289470
Depends which ones. You'll have to send them away to Germany/Switzerland/Japan for servicing anyway.

>>60289470
Get a Grand Seiko Quartz, there are some phucking gorgeous models out there. Almost service free except changing the battery of course.

>>60286886
There is no "the" in Russian.

>>60287429
Did Damasko come up with this concept totally INHOUSE inhouse? I mean, I think it's not as if they have on call a little watchmaking wiz they keep locked up in a storage cupboard somewhere. And it's not as if Konrad Damasko himself or any of his family are watchmaking wizards. Materials sciences, maybe, but that's mainly in the fields of metallurgy etc., for their fabulous case materials.

Didn't they develop this with some movement manufacture? There's actually quite a few R&D movement companies out there, and other research firms, like that one that worked with Vaucher/Parmigiani Fleurier to produce a working prototype of the mostly silicon Genequand escapement, who aren't exclusively working in the realm of horology but can lend their expertise and further their own materials research by cooperating in that realm with established makers (Vaucher Manufacture Fleurier).

What I mean is, though Damasko staff may have been involved in it's design and the research, and obviously it's made by them in their factories, is the innovation truly solely theirs?

Because with so many other makers, it isn't. Nomos partnered with a Manufacture as well, didn't they?

>>60289470
>>60289587
>You'll have to send them away to Germany/Switzerland/Japan for servicing anyway.
Depends which region, which company and which models. With GS, for some regions at least, you don't have to send back to Japan. Ordinary mechs and quartz. Some places in Asia for example where GS has been around a little longer have Seiko service centres with staff trained to handle these GS, but newer markets where Seiko's been slow to train staff still need to send the basic shit off too.

Hi-beats and Spring Drive all must be sent to Japan, however.

Pateks, at least the basic models, can be repaired in most regions outside switzerland that are actually worth living in. I'm sure that those living in sub-saharan african have to send to Switzerland, for example. Patek have service centres and authorised repair watchmakers the world over. Things like Grand Complications however I think would likely have to be sent back to Patek baring a few exceptions but that would depend on the talent available wherever you are. You might be lucky to have such a master closer to home that's authorised to deal with tourbillions and minute repeaters.

I believe all Lange's have to be sent back to Germany, or at least very specialised Lange oriented workshops outside Germany due to the fact that the german silver they use in their movements stains if not handled properly.

I believe that it's due to this reason (them being finicky to work on) that Richemont keeps Lange service separate from their other brands, much it would seem to the benefit of Lange owners as they would not have to go through the bullshit other Richemont brand owners have to go through in the service game.

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>>60286688
That bezel would only make sense on my watch. That's fucking retarded.

snk803 is $34 on amazon

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>>60289562
>>60290328

>>60290425
That's puke inducing

Are watches better than guns?

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>>60290435

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>>60290467
Stahp

>>60290425
>>60290467

Really like them.

>>60287331
>>60287616
>>60289470
I wonder, does anyone in /wt/ even knows someone who owns a Lange or Patek?
That shit is prohibetely expensive.

>>60290530
Someone who posts in /wt/ has a Lange. Custom-made too I'm pretty sure.

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>>60290485

>>60290515
Don't you see a problem?

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shitty vostoks

>>60290612
There is no GMT hand at all

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>I wear a mechanical watch

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>>60290425
>>60290467
>>60290485
>>60290581
If you think Vostoks are going to somehow your non-existent masculinity, think again. Because they sure as hell cant keep time

>>60290985
I probably should have put a verb in there somewhere

>>60290992
Also, you should have followed the conversation, because that reply was retarded.

>>60290953

>son what the fuck did you do with all my belts

>>60290453

At keeping time? Yes.

>>60290953
>go to ren fair last year
>it's steampunk fair now

>>60291480
>oh no, that's a different brand of autism! my autism is the only good autism!

>>60291524
Autism is serious business :^)

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Belonged to my dad

>>60291603
Is the game fun?

>>60291626
Yup. Better than anything on my Apple Watch.

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Why dont you own a Rolex?

>>60291746
Because most of their watches are boring or outright ugly.

>>60291746
There is literally no reason to not owning a Rolex, except extreme poverty of course.

>>60291746
Too expensive. If I had the money, there are other watches I'd buy before one.

>>60291783
Boring yes maybe, but ugly is hard to agree with, theres only very pieces that are actually ugly.

>>60291812
wow

>>60291812
*Few. And yes that is my Sub. The sub C was a slight step down in my opinion, but it has great upgrades too though.

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>>60291746
>>60291746
But I do. It would be homosexual not to.

Rollie is fucking based. The company has been a non-profit organisation since the '50s I think, so they spend huge amounts of money towards R&D.

>>60291812
Rolex doesn't make boring watches IMO. And even if you don't like their current lineup (which I don't because I hate the Maxi-cases they now use), the vintage market is enormous.

>>60291881
That's a pretty autistic picture you've got there, anon.

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>>60291941
Autism is my specialty.

>>60291881
Ayy lmao that fucking pic, even if I own my rolex i still love "shitters"

>>60291951
Holy shit xD

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>>60287831
>>60287757
>>60287616
>>60287690
>>60287792
Here's he sorts of things you get when buying "Haute Horologie" (it's for the most part pure aesthetics):

https://monochrome-watches.com/a-technical-perspective-all-you-want-to-know-about-finishing-in-haute-horlogerie/

This rundown should furnish you with the appropriate terms to understand what you're seeing when you look at pic related, and why that matters and what efforts went into creating it.

Basically, it's down to the finest of details. Finshing can be all machine done (cheapest), man and machine (like, a dremel-like hand tool) and old school man and traditional unpowered hand tools like files, chisels, brushes and magic wooden sticks.

The more a maker inclines towards the final option, the more the price heads north. More artistry and human hand work, more expensive.

>>60287690
>I've read reviews from people that have handled Pateks and GS's. They say the finishing is nearly on par.
I've seen this memed a lot all over the net, but it's usually people parroting something they read once and vaguely remember or whatever. I have not noticed this myself, but then again, it's been a while since I've taken a loupe into jewelry store lol. Naked eye and GS looks as good as the basic Patek's I've looked at (but like I said above, it's the smallest, fine details that matter in the high horology game).

Once you get into those really fine details as outlined in the above link, most of which will be present on the grand complications and like, you can only fairly compare Credor with Patek, not GS which is recognized as being in a tier down (Rolex, GO, GS etc.). The independent maker Philippe Dufour, regarded as a master of finishing watches by hand, ranks Credor above Patek I think, in terms of fine finishing.

This whole GS > Patek thing might be more true when looking at Patek's most basic movements (they are the most common), as I've read far too often that Patek no longer puts the same amount of effort into these pieces as they used to, reserving their efforts for complicated and grand complication models. But I cannot say this for sure.

In this case, there is evidence that they use more "man with machine tool" rather than "man with old school tool" which is what they kinda tout in their marketing material (and what they used to do before cheaping out) and what brands like Lange and VC do not apparently skimp on (as much?), even in their entry level pieces; comes with expanding production too quickly, and greed and a diminishing in values I suppose.

Does anyone else's 2824 make grinding noises when you screw the crown back in?

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>>60292065
Here's an example I saved off the lolexforums.

The cal.240 is a basic "entry level" patek movent, the lange calibre goes in costlier watches and the dufour is a dufour: a whole other arena. But, it can help you see the differences.

To be fair, if the person who collated the image had used a basic calibre which would be lange's equivalent to the patek movement, the comparison would be fairer.

However, I've come across too many anecdotes that claim that patek used to apply the same standards to the base calibres as they do to their higher complications. Doubling production in 7 years and it's the logical and inevitable consequence (they're dropping production now, a little, perhaps due to a rise in complaints in QC? We'll never know - more like just because demand has slowed right down and they risk too much overstock).

>>60292065
GS doesn't focus on movement finishing yeah.

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>>60292026
Blueing colours.

>>60292141
Lange keep saying they pay as much attention to the movement of theur cheapest watches as they do their most expensive. I haven't really seen them in the flesh to be able to compare, but I've not seen any reason to doubt it either.
Can't wait to pay visit to their boutique next month.

>>60292205
I heard that they kinda got caught with their pants down 15/20 years ago in that regard but have made efforts to make sure no one can complain about that again.

ALS have no excuse for not finishing the fuck out of even their entry level Saxonia and 1815 movements.

Some numbers: (brand/employees/annual production):

ALS/450/5000
VC/700/20,000
PP/1500/50,000
AP/900/30,000

Data is reputedly from 2013, and word on the street is that PP's real current production (at least, before they decided to recently kick it down a notch) was up to 80,000. Likely VC and ALS have increased in that time as well.

And now something perhaps more telling:

Pieces made per employee:
ALS/11
VC/29
PP/33
AP/33


>Can't wait to pay visit to their boutique next month.
Bring a x10 loupe and compare some of the shit outlined in that link >>60292026

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>>60291746
Because I prefer nice cars

>>60292373
You can prefer both, can you not

baka these poorfags

>>60292349
Note that those numbers are likely totals for all staff (including marketing and sales and shit), so the figures pertaining to pieces per employee are not likely correct. Just posting some shit I once screenshotted on leddit, so I don't know if that's just the poster's musing or whether or not it came from the same data they got the production numbers from.

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>>60292373
>slack bracelet

going for the millionaire look?

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>>60292388
It's my dad's car though and he owns a few Rolexes too. I am will rocking my SARB until he gives me his 90s datejust.

>>60292430
>convertible 6er
Whew

>>60292349
>>60292409
Wait, i'm a fucking moron: i have all this data in the wristwatch annual 2017 I bought and then forgot about.

Here's official data as of 2016:
>ALS/500(250 are watchmakers)/-no number given-
>VC/800 approx/>20k (estimate)
>PP/2000 approx/ approx 45k (lmao, not what the word on the street is)
>AP/1300 approx/40k

>>60292373
t. faggot sitting in SOMEONE ELSE'S CAR

>>60292469
Ayy lmao its like enjoy somebody else eating their own food. Fucked up

>>60292459
>>60292349
Kinda surprised by the AP numbers, I would have expected more because of the apparent popularity of the RO/ROO. But I suppose Patek has the mindshare of the "real watch for rich people" still on lock.

>>60289977
They probably did have outside assistance with the design process, but from my understanding of the process the tricky part is not so much getting someone to come up with a design for something like the A35 but rather in developing the capacity to produce such a movement on a production rather than individual basis.

Nomos worked with researchers at a university I believe in developing their in-house escapement, but again, from my understanding much of the technical challenge involved is in turning such a design into something that can be series produced.

Another thing to keep in mind is that the vast majority of the newly "in-house" production makers are still buying their escapements from ETA and thus only have to worry about designing and manufacturing the drive train, whereas Damasko and Nomos are designing and manufacturing their own hairsprings, pallets, balance wheels and escape wheels.

>>60290087
Does Grand Seiko not sell parts to independents? I was under the impression that they did, and thus if you had a local watchmaker that you trusted you'd be able to take any GS to them.

>>60292469
>>60292549

t. Working class scum whose families don't own any valuable things they feel as their own

>>60292582
I highly doubt it. Seiko surely does, but with GS things seem to be more protected; they don't want people coming to them crying about how their watch was ruined by some unauthorized gaijin with shoddy workmanship and sloppy work ethic.

Besides, training people to do the polishing is work enough for their official service centers, doubt they make that available for any old independent watch kiosk that usually replaces batteries and straps.

Cleai

>>60292165
That's incorrect. GS actually does significantly more decorative finishing of their movements than Rolex, though the functional finishing is comparable.

Also a lot of the hand work that goes into GS movements isn't per-se visible in the finished movement because GS does way more part by part microscopic inspection than most others do.

>>60292373
>>60290328

What's with /wt/ransexuals sitting in the back seats of cars?

Is everyone underage?

>>60292662
If I ever did one of those faggy wrist/car shot checks that seem to be the fad thing to do, it would also be in the back because I don't drive myself. I'm not crazy (or stupid)enough to try and drive in my city, I leave that to the professionals who are used to the ebbs and flows of traffic and the fact that no one follows road rules.
Perhaps these anons are in the same boat?

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>>60287414

Mission accomplished.

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>>60292586
Aren't you embarassed trying to show off shit that isn't even yours?

And I don't need to show off watches or BMW's that belong to anyone else, in fact I usually crop my pictures not to show off my car because it has nothing to do with the appreciation of watches, and I try to avoid acting like some insufferable classless noveau riche asshole.

Here, i'm not sure if you'll recognize it from the driver's seat though.

>>60292647
>More than Rolex
Yeah Rolex does fuck all for movement finishing, that's not a bar you can use to say if someone puts effort in it or not

>This guy doesn't run very fast
>Incorrect. That amputee runs even slower.

>>60292744
You can clearly see the roundel in that picture though

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>it's a /wt/ starts posting car pictures episode

The worst episode.

Where am I? WUS ?

What next? You'll start wishing I wear my watches in good health you pieces of shit ?

>>60292773
Yes, because it's an uncropped version because I was making a point.

>>60292698
>>60292662

You retards talk like it was a trend or something. Both pics are obviously mine, we got te car last Friday and I've just managed to drive it once since. When I took these pics I was driving around with my dad and my brother or mum, who always get to sit in the front seats as they are less flexible to access the back sits since it's a coupe. Also since I'm the younger of my family at 24 I'm at the bottom of the car seats' hierarchy.

>>60292797
Oh

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>>60292752
>Yeah Rolex does fuck all for movement finishing, that's not a bar you can use to say if someone puts effort in it or not

That's factually untrue. The sides of bridges, plates, etc. are all polished nicely, and engine turning on major parts is common. A very high quality rhodium plating job also makes their movements shine quite nicely. Everything else is usually given a nice, even brushed finish to give a radiant pattern.

They don't go high-horology levels but Rolex most certainly does a finishing job miles better than 90% of non-haute horlogerie brands.

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>>60292752
Rolex does quite a bit of functional movement finishing, they just do almost no decorative movement finishing.

And Grand Seiko does quite a bit more than that. Pic related.

>>60292744
That's because you BMW is low tier fatty anon.

>>60276683
>"THE NAZIS HAD TO CREMATE 1 BODY PER 15 MINUTES!!! THAT'S IMPOSSIBBBBLLLLEEE!!!!!!"

Uh why did you assume that all bodies of jews were cremated? As you can see from official videographic evidence of the death camp sites, there were giant piles of dead bodies in dumping sites that were obviously not cremated. You know, because a body that is still human-shaped obviously has not been cremated. So I guess there goes your "epic proof" that the holocaust didn't happen.

>>60292820
My BMW was chosen for a very specific reason and I will be keeping it until it can no longer be repaired: It was literally the last BMW model available with hydraulic steering and I utterly loathe electric steering.

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>>60292851
>official videographic evidence

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>>60292854
Cool story anon.
Even my Alfa Romeo and my DJ shit on your old BMW and your DJ.

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>>60292865
I forgot facts don't matter to /pol/tards; you choose your narrative over facts 100% of the time.

Have fun LARPing as a nazi, Pedro.

>>60292898
What color is that dial?

>>60292908
You didn't offer any evidence, dummy.

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>>60292915
It's silver

>>60292898
Lets just say nether your car nor your DJ are to my personal taste. At all. But at least they appear to be yours, which is a good start.

>>60292803
>You retards talk like it was a trend or something.
It is though. Look around, all the cool cats are doing it. You want to be cool, don't you?
(better get a homo friendship band too to wear next to the watch)

>>60292998
I've been lurking WUS and these threads for years and it's definitely not a common thing to see.

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So /wt/, what would you choose with a display caseback as your only daily?
>Vostok 2416b finished like a top level Patek
>Grand Seiko Hi-Beat finished like a chink clone of a Jap automatic inside a fake Rolex
Assuming performance remains the same despite the different finish.

>>60292851
>"THE NAZIS HAD TO CREMATE 1 BODY PER 15 MINUTES!!! THAT'S IMPOSSIBBBBLLLLEEE!!!!!!"
I never understood this argument. Just burn like four or five at a time, no? When you burn dry leaves, documents, jews or whatever you don't burn them one at a time but all at once.

>>60292793
Wear ypur wrostfedora in good health bro

Gold and TT Rolex pieces have been ruined by gaudy niggers and chinks wearing them.
Why would you buy something with a tool/sports watch heritage and NOT get the steel version?

>>60293046
If by "performance remains the same" you mean in terms of accuracy, reliability, and longevity then I'd go for the GS. I personally have very little interest in non-functional movement finishing.

>>60292898
My car is 60k, my apartment 350k, my summer cottage 200k. Fuck of these plebs talking shit about wealth. My numbers are fucking poorfag tier if we start to compare wealth in watch forums you big faggot.

>>60293046
>I never understood this argument. Just burn like four or five at a time, no? When you burn dry leaves, documents, jews or whatever you don't burn them one at a time but all at once.

Watch the video in the OP link. You couldn't physically fit them. Literally none of the math adds up even under the best circumstances where you assume they were like the NASCAR pit crews of stuffing Jews into ovens.

>>60293087
Honestly it depends on who wears it. Niggers wear diamond encrusted gold watches, mafiaosos and presidents wear gold or whitegold.

>>60292141
Is the anglage on the PP supposed to have those lines?

>>60293134
How many of those gold Rolex owners actually fit into your category of "mafiaosos and presidents"?
Certainly none in this thread.

>>60292854
Have you driven a 991? The EPAS in that is reportedly better than many hydraulic setups.

>>60292803

I hope you fly through the windshield

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>>60293087
In my case it is because it was my father's Rolex and he liked the full 1980s style two tone DJ look. I literally left it in a box for several years because I didn't think I liked two tone datejusts at all, until I stumbled across some pictures of one on leather straps. I realized it was mostly the two tone jubilee bracelet I hated, so I got this 116223 serviced and put it on leather (or a perlon).

I've enjoyed it so much that I'm now working on making room in my collection for a blue dialed 16200 on an oyster as I really like the 36mm pre-maxicase DJ, the classic baton indices, and the blue sunburst dial.

>>60284816
Spring drive uses a quartz for time keeping, it's a quartz. Deal with it.

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>>60293112
>NASCAR pit crews of stuffing Jews into ovens.

How can I get this job

>>60285658
This watch would be perfect if it's not so fucking huge.

>>60293275
It may well be better than many hydraulic set-ups, but it apparently doesn't compare to the hydraulic racks the older 911s had. To be honest, I already thought the hydraulic steering in Maserattis and Ferraris of a few years ago was far too light and lacking in steering feel, much less the turn to fully electric systems.

I'm pretty spoiled on this topic, though, as I had the pleasure of owning an e46 M3 competition package for a few years which had one of the all time great hydraulic power assisted steering racks. It had very little power assistance and was incredibly feelsome.

>>60293323
Spring drive shares very little of it's design and functioning in common with a stepper motor quartz watch. It's like saying a gold cart and a hybrid luxury car are the same thing because both use electricity to turn the wheels.

>>60293411
It relies on a quartz for the most important aspect of its function ie. time-keeping. Ergo it's a fancy quartz.

>>60293427
>A McLaren P1 uses electricity and electric motors to turn it's wheels, therefore it's a golf cart.

>A paper plane uses lift to soar into the sky, therefore it's a fighter jet.

>A dinghy uses a motor turn a propeller in the water therefore it's a Riva speedboat and a yacht.

>>60292898
Shit dial

>>60293492
Why are you so ashamed of the spring drive's quartz nature? Do you look down on quartz or something?

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>>60293411
That's not how it works buddy. The oscillating element used for timekeeping is quartz, therefore it's a quartz watch. It doesn't matter if the gear train for the time indicator is run by a stepper motor, an electronically braked mainspring, a nuclear powered steam turbine or hand-cranked by a nigger, it's still a quartz watch.

>>60293492
Now this is just autism.

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Pulled the trigger and bought it.

>>60292854
>not using electronic steering
Don't you want the CIA to steer for you, goy?

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>>60293025
See it on WUS all the time and on kikestagram

>>60293703
Black with the in-house movement? Did you get it new?

>>60293703
Beautiful watch
>but they just had to add that bedtime story on the dial

>>60293802
Yeah black with in-house. Used 6-months old.

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>>60293583
>or hand-cranked by a nigger

>ywn catch a nigger by the toe
>if he hollers, not let him go
>but slave him to your time engine

>>60293821
Pretty cool. Post pics when you get it.

>>60293858
>Gruen Niggermatic
>your house nigger winds the watch for you whenever you extend your arm out from your comfy armchair
>Elgin Niggersync
>house nigger #2 takes your watch and syncs it to NIST for you

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>>60293889
Meant for >>60293841

>>60293889
You jest, but I'm not so sure that something nigger-powered wasn't thought about at least once when it came to horology is america.

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For the Seiko 5 in this guide in the cons says "don't buy if you have fat wrists". Does it mean "don't buy if your wrists are thick, as you can't get in in large sizes", or what does fat wrists mean in this context?

>>60294250
If your wrist is like super fat. I don't think it came with too many links even for my 7" "normal" wrist.

>>60293575
>>60293583
As you are well aware, when most people talk about "quartz" watches they are not just talking about the use of a quartz crystal for timekeeping but the entire movement using a battery and a stepper motor.

While a spring drive also uses a quartz crystal for timekeeping it does not use a battery, does not use stepper motors, does use an electromagnetic brake which is not used in stepper motor quartz movements, and shares most of the drivetrain of a mechanical watch barring the escapement.

This has nothing to do with implying one is better than the other or that there is anything wrong with stepper motor quartz movements, it is simply that it is fundamentally misleading to describe spring drive as "just an overpriced quartz" because of the significant technical differences between spring drive and stepper motor quartz movements.

it is exactly like saying that electric cars and hybrid cars are the same because both use batteries and electric motors, totally ignoring all the differences between a gasoline/electric hybrid and a battery powered electric car.

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Recommend me a cheap 18mm dive strap. The Vostok strap I got gifted with the watch (probably because the seller would never be able to sell any of these) is absolutely horrendous. It's comfy, but horrendous. I think there's another anon who has it.

>>60294447
>>60294447

>>60294367
>it is exactly like saying that electric cars and hybrid cars are the same because both use batteries and electric motors, totally ignoring all the differences between a gasoline/electric hybrid and a battery powered electric car.
Wow, you have terminal autism. There is literally only one criteria if a watch is quartz, or mechanical, or tuning fork or whatever: the type of oscillating element. In the Spring Drive it's a quartz crystal so therefore it's quartz. Even that one anons weird Luch electronic watch iss a quartz, since the balance wheel is regulated by a quartz crystal.

>>60294521
>Comes to a Singaporean shadow-puppet symposium
>To a thread about watches
>Calls other people autistic
Do you know where you are? Of course I'm autistic, why would I even be here if I wasn't a complete watch autist?

In any case, you know very well what the original poster who described spring drive as an "overpriced quartz" meant to imply. He was obviously intending to obscure the differences between a cheap stepper motor quartz movement and spring drive.

>>60294306
My wrist is around 6.5", so I should get the 38 or the 40mm model, right? There's some fairly conflicting info online on the right case diameter

>>60294454
Bump limit is 311, friend

>>60294618
That difference is like nothing. I use 45mm and I think I could go even bigger. 42mm would probably be optimal.

>>60294618
Yeah that's about right

>>60294638
>Bump limit is 311, friend

Odd number. Knew it was above 300 but wasn't sure where.

>>60294592
I think everyone here knows how the Spring Drive works. You're just a buttblasted fanboy.

>>60294690
Yeah it's 310, don't know why I typed 311. Still somewhat weird.

>>60294707
First of all, you don't realize how many newcomers wander into these threads on a regular basis.

Secondly, my annoyance at someone being deliberately misleading has nothing to do with whether or not I personally like or am a fan of spring drive (which I'm not, incidentally).

>>60294788
But he said nothing wrong or misleading though. The SD is an overpriced quartz. Everything else is just sugarcoating.

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>>60294838
>The SD is an overpriced quartz
Please feel free to explain how it is overpriced given the amount of labour involved in its manufacture, finishing and assembly and what it is overpriced relative to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6zD1j7U-0A

>>60294386
I'd recommend buying a real watch

>>60294986
Wow, you mean if I polish a turd for two thousand man hours and then give it a Geneva striping it'll be completely worth the price? Good to know.

>>60295445
>t. microbrand Miyotard

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>>60296067
>Other people shouldn't like what I don't like!
>Work out into making things I don't like isn't work!

>>60292956
that rolex looks fake XD