/pcbg/ - PC Building General

first for intel > amd.

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>>60069279
pajeet out

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>>60069279

>>60069344
Wait. DoW III is out?

Rare build coming through beep beep
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qsLQYr

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>>60069379

They have an open beta ongoing now and - at least according to Putin's IT department - it really likes AMD hardware.

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>>60069344
NOOOOOOOOOOO

>>60069406
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qsLQYr
horrid stop being poor

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>>60069344
Curious to see benchmarks for the 1500X and 1600/X as well. Probably a few frames behind the 1800X

The 380x appears to be ass whopping the 960 according to this benchmark, but of course multiple sources are needed for verification. Seems like that engine isn't updated for the Polaris cards though, considering the 470 is just above the 380X (provided the reported 380X performance is accurate).

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>>60069416
>2015 $650 Fury X 62fps minimum
>2016 $700 1080 67fps minimum
** F
W I N E
** N
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>>60069522

Consider the 290x - it still refuses to give a fuck and continues to be a monster nearly 4 years later.

>>60069473
It appears that the 5960X is considerably CPU bottlenecking. them.

Good to know it'll still run fine on my 6 year old 7970 like basically everything does, though.

Which is the best RX 570 model to get? And is it worth considering an RX 480 8GB if all I will be doing is 1080p gaming?

>>60069555

Riddle me this, which is the godmachine of gpus - 7970 or 290x?

>>60069539
>tfw bought a 290x back in october 2013
>watercooled in summer 2014
>oc to 1200mhz
>still towards the top of every benchmark
damn i love this thing

Repostan from last thred:
>germoney
>800 bucks max, lower prefered
>gaming non aaa titles (heroes of the storm, starcraft 2, diablo 3, civ 5)
>browsing
>programming
>dual booting windows and linux

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/RNTNFd

Some anon suggested to go for a mATX case since it's also a mATX mainboard so I swapped the fractal one in.
MSI mainboards are supposed to be bad? I went for the asrock pro 4 instead and also switched out the psu for a semi modular one.
The gpu is a placeholder since I'm currently waiting for the release of the rx 560 to see how it performs.
Any suggestions? Brands I should avoid because they are shit after all?

>>60069598

I'm annoyed because I used Trixx to give me the voltage required to hit 1200mhx (I need an insane 1.4v) and for whatever reason after doing a fresh isntall of win10 (it worked on the old install) Trixx now locks me to 2d clocks and adding the required voltage to afterburner has always been a bit flaky for me.

>>60069651
trixx is trash, and i can get the 290x to that on 1.25

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>>60069665

Unless you have a golden sample I severely doubt your 290x hits 1200mhz on 1.25v. The average overclock for the chip is 1150mhz.

Have an old pic of one of my mental overclock runs.

>>60069473
>>60069539
>2013 $550 290X, 64fps minimum
>2014 $550 GTX 980, 61fps minimum
AMD was always at least a year ahead for so long up until the past year, yet they always sold less cards.

>>60069585
I don't regret getting my 7970, but definitely the 290X.
They just kept getting absurdly better year over year up until the 290X.
The 7970 I'd probably put tied for 3rd with the 8800 GTX after the 290X and 9800pro.

Though I guess it might be too early to say whether, 2 years from now, the 290X is as good as the 7970 is 6 years later. It's got a 2 year lead.

>>60069406
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qsLQYr

just dont

>>60069692
im a get a image soon

>>60069692
also my asic quality is within the 90th percentile on a reference card

>>60069744

ASIC quality doesn't mean shit and hasn't done for a long time. It is one of those old memes that refuses to die.

I bet EVGA made killing when they were selling (iirc) 980ti's binned by asic quality.

>>60069562
For 1080p gaming you should be getting rx580 8gb
for 1440p gtx 1070
upgrade from 570 to 580 is what you need to pass the 60fps ceiling at 1080p

>>60069783
Please state your reasoning because everything I have heard has said otherwise.

I found a solution to my problem. I was getting a blue screen of death when installing windows for the first time on a new PC.

Long story short: DO NOT DOWNLOAD WINDOWS ON YOUR SCHOOL'S PLATFORM EVEN IF IT'S FREE

It's just not working. I found a torrent for it and now everything's fine. Thought I'd let you faggots know.

>>60069692
I've got two 7970s. One of them was the non-reference MSI with golden dies. It hits 1325MHz stable in all the common benchmarks. I don't recall at what voltage, but not that high and VRM temps under 73C and card under 65C.
That's an almost 45% increase over the 925MHz base.
The average overclock for 7970s was around 1170-1180.

The range in afterburner is 800-1350mV so I'm guessing probably 1.3V-1.35V. I'm not going to do it again, though. Too hot. I run it undervolted at 1.025v and 989MHz instead.

This isn't rare from what I've gathered. Those usual limits like 1180MHz are generally due to some safeties on the PCB and not a limitation of the GPU die.

Hey /g/ents i'm looking to do a build and was wondering what you think. The slightly overkill PSU is for possible future SLI.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PGZj7h

>>60069797
Reasoning is 60fps at v.high or high settings.
with 580 and 1440p you will be playing on medium
with 570 and 1080p you will concstantly run in to situations in with you almost almost hit 60 but not quite and you will be forced to either deal with 50fps or dial down important settings and maind you we are talking about going down from high/v.high not about ultra.

>>60069562
Best is the Red Devil, I guess. 1320MHz. Hard to tell exactly. Check reviews.

>is it worth considering an RX 480 8GB if all I will be doing is 1080p gaming?
If it's a decent model and within $20 of the same price, yeah. If an XFX GTR? Definitely. ROG Strix? Maybe. Windforce or reference? Not really.

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>>60069871
>with 580 and 1440p you will be playing on medium
There's only like 5-10 games that you'll have to drop down to medium settings out of the many thousands of games.

>>60069900
Oh woops, that has 4k for Deus Ex.

>>60069862
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PGZj7h
Sli is a meme regardless of tier of gpu. You either buy best of the best and sli it from the start because you basically wipe your ass with dolar bills or you sell your gpu and buy next one. Thinking about
>may be i will do sli in the future
is pointless there will never be a good time for it.

Has anyone got a good budget (£650/$800) Ryzen 5 1600 built/list that they'd be willing to share?


So far the only part that I've bought is the monitor (lg-22MP68VQ-P) and I'm pretty set on getting the storage (Seagate Barracuda 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (£60/$70), but I'm lost at what I should do next, since I decided to change my whole build after Ryzen came out

>>60069812
>YOUR SCHOOL'S PLATFORM
Does this mean onthehub or some self-hosted software repository?

>>60069797
a 570/4 is okay, but the 580/4 is only $20-30 more. You'll really regret not parting with that Franklin when the 570 is slipping off 60fps and the 580 is still holding.

>>60065691

jpegview
honeyview
irfanview

>>60069939
eh i probably wont but its not like having an over kill psu is an issue

>>60069871
My only worry is that I am on a budget and can't afford a $250 RX 580 8GB or a simililarly priced RX 480 8GB. So a $230 RX 580 8GB, RX 580 4GB, or RX 470 are my only options.
>>60069880
RX 570s range from $180 to $200 while XFX GTRs are currently in the $250-$270 price range.
>>60069986
So grab the RX 580 4GB? I was told that the preformance difference was minimal between the two.

planning a build with i5 7500 and gtx 1070 what should my mobo be

>>60070050
B350. Also scratch the i5 7500 and get a R5 1600.

>>60070026
>RX 570s range from $180 to $200 while XFX GTRs are currently in the $250-$270 price range.
Yes. That was my point.

>>60070050
>i5
>2017
read the OP and fucking trash that shit

>>60069900
>There's only like 5-10 games
the important ones and there will only be more of them

You buy gpu to play back catalog and indies? or to hapli play for the next 2 years not caring much for if game will run or not?

Plus your tests are shit avrage of 60 means nothing if game drops to 40 or stutters. Posting graphs with only avrage should be puinished by locking in shower room with bunch of homosexual negros.

>>60070129
Most of them are shit games.
GR Wildlands, for examples.

Those benchmarks clearly show it'll play almost anything at 1440p 60fps+ at "high" at the worst. Those benches are on vh/ultra except for Ashes and Deus Ex.
There's nothing to argue. You just spout bullshit out from your ass that contradict the benchmarks done on all those new games.

>>60070129
*happily

>>60070129
>Plus your tests are shit avrage of 60 means nothing if game drops to 40 or stutters
Show benchmarks of one of those games averaging at 60fps that keeps dropping down to 40.

How good of a motherboard is the MSI B350M Gaming Pro? Thinking of getting it to cut down the price for my mobo and case.

>>60070168
no its you who sput up bullshit feel good propaganda

>uhh uhh games dont play at 60? Those are shit games you dont need them.

How many more games you
>want need?

Just buy rx550 and play cs go/dota and games from pre 2012 all other games are shitty games any way right?

>>60070263
nice goalposts. You clearly lost and have no argument. No sources, just shit you pull out your ass and strawmans you make up.

>>60069406
Needs 60GB SSD if it's a HTPC

>>60069473
Looking at these benchmarks, I'm completely embarrassed that fellow humans spent nearly 400USD on 1070s

>>60069783
Completely wrong. Literally stupid

>>60069871
>deal with 50fps or dial down important settings
No.

Anyway non-vsync 50FPS is great.

>>60069900
Interesting set of charts, and while the 580 may be ok for 1440p right NOW, looking ahead it would have a tough road.

>>60069862
What is your monitor? Unless it's >100Hz 1440p Gsync, pick one then figure out your budget for the rest of the build

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XPjsCy

Is this bad?

I'm trying to keep it under 700$, but maximize my options for running virtual machines and emulators, as well as games at 1080p.

>>60070416
It's shit.

hey guys im looking to max everything at 1080p 60fps for a while what makes more sense a gtx 1080 or 1070?

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>>60070346
to not look far

>>60070431
Thanks

>>60070432

Neither since you are asking the wrong question.

>>60070414
>Anyway non-vsync 50FPS is great.
Stutters tearing and constant drops to 40s are grate?

Why dont you simply play on console?

>>60070416
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XPjsCy
you made it as bad as it could be on propose right?

>>60070499
I'm not sure I understand whats wrong with it.

>>60070463
than what is the right question?

>>60070510
building platform for overclockable i3 is what is wrong with it

>>60070547
>building platform for overclockable i3
I selected it because I have a spare M.2 Drive, and this was one of the cheaper ones with that option.

>>60070416
Pretty bad honestly.

>>60070432
1070, but you should be at 1440p with a 1070.

>>60070475
There's no tearing as long as the max framerate stays below 50. Stutters aren't something that usually happen at modest framerates, and drops to 40 are meh. Depends on the game. Any esports game (where you actually want locked 60 or greater) is going to be ridiculously easy to run. E.g., Overwatch, R6 Siege

>>60070510
Check some of the builds here for core component examples
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/

>>60070587
Thanks

>>60069631
bump

>>60070521

There is no single question to ask and even if there was there are no answers as nobody can predict the future. However to be somewhat informative you say "1080p max" while asking about gpus shows you are vastly overlooking cpu requirements along with any other potential limiters a system might have (not all of which can be fixed by throwing hardware at it). The point is you can't pin down projected performance based upon a relatively vague question - especially given the topic at hand is full of options that have diminishing returns that often have a staggering performance impact.

>>60070416
>i3
>locked cpu on a z170 board
>kaby lake on a previous gen board that might not support it
>8GB of single stick RAM at a weird speed

>>60070432
1070 is cheaper, 1080 will be able to help get higher FPS on more demanding games likes Witcher. 1070 is still perfectly fine for 60fps on high/max on most games.

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>>60069227
Sauce on OP pic?

>>60069900
Just FYI, an average FPS of 60 or slightly above will have drops below that and will stutter, more or less. That really won't get you a solid, smooth 60FPS in any of those games except BF1 maybe. Average FPS really isn't a very good measure of how smooth a game runs and a RX580 wouldn't be good enough for those games at the settings used to benchmark them.

>>60070631
>>60070631
>i3
Not sure why I3s are bad if I'm doing emulation
>locked cpu on a z170 board
M.2 Drive Board that has a decent price (But I changed it)
>kaby lake on a previous gen board that might not support it
Literally what
>8GB of single stick RAM at a weird speed
well meme'd

>>60070565
Or you could simply build a Ryzen PC which is better for work anyways and most mobos also come with one or two M.2 slots.

Almost ready to pull the trigger on this. What do you guys think? Anything I should change/reconsider? Already have the RAM, SSD, and HDD.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hYpW8K

>>60070774
But then I'm out of my 700$ price range, and the performance for virtual machines and the applications I'll be running will be subpar compared to an i3.

Unless I'm wrong.

>>60070778
Maybe get cheaper case and invest that money into gold PSU and get an AC wifi card.

>>60070802
I've been stuck on my case decision for months, are there any that you would recommend?

>>60070701
i3s are kind of a waste since pentinum can get close to those clock speeds. And ryzen 5 or i5 would be a better investment with more cores and threads for work.

Kaby lake cpus had an issue that they wouldn't POST on Z170s since the BIOS update required a CPU in the board to POST before updating it, so you needed a Skylake to update the BIOS before placing the Kaby lake in it.

8GB of RAM is kind of small and 16GB is the recommeded minimum. 2666 MHz just seems like a weird number since 3000 and 3200 MHz are available.

>>60070778
What's the difference between the p400s and the p400? https://pcpartpicker.com/product/xjZ2FT/phanteks-case-phec416pbk

>>60070866
Sound dampening materials are used in the P400S.

>>60070800
>and the performance for virtual machines and the applications I'll be running will be subpar compared to an i3
No. Just no. The only situation the i3 will be better is single threaded applications, that's it. For VMs you want more cores/threads to give your VM more while not starving the host to death.
R5 1400 or 1500X should be within your budget, if you could stretch it a little a R5 1600 would be nice for productivity.
Idk what you want with your VMs, but i recommend 16GB RAM, 8GB might not be enough depending on what you want to do.

>>60070828
If you want a silent case the Define S should be cheaper, add a third fan to the case and you're good.

>>60070828
>>60070877
The Define C just came out last year and is better.

>>60070889
>>60070877
What is the difference between the Define C and Define S?

>>60070913
The Define C has a PSU basement and better cable management options.

>>60070115
nah i'm getting the 7500 because it was recommended on one of these threads

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>>60070414
>Needs 60GB SSD if it's a HTPC
What do you think the microSD adaptor is for?
I have a bunch of $11 125GB microSD cards laying around.
So there is my $16 125GB microSD drive

>>60070877
So if I bite the bullet and purchase this, I'll be better off overall?

I'm still worried about single-core performance

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nq6PHN

>>60070971
why are you listening to obvious AMD shills. do some research yoursef. Hint: the i3 is not the answer

>>60070889
>>60070913
It's $20 difference and not worth it if on budget.

>>60070971
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ymdtBP
This is what you want. Maybe add a second intake fan and you're good.
Note that Gigabyte made shitty RX400 cards and idk if they have changed the PCB, but if you don't want to OC it it's ok.

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>>60070416
> virtual machines
AMD is basically your only option for VM without getting a Xeon.
Their virtualization runs so much faster.

>emulators
Make a dedicated $350 emulator box later if you feel you need it. I think you'll find that Ryzen does everything except Cemu fine. And Cemu is still improving and should run fine on it later on.

You can make a $700 R5 build that's way better.
Though that 7100 is on sale at Fry's for like $80 or $90 right now which is a decent deal to make a little HTPC emulator box with.

>>60071012
Oh, I didn't know he had a small budget.

>>60071012
>>60070931
So the Define S seems like a good choice. How does everything else on the list look?

>>60070433
do those benchmarks really look reputable to you?
Do you really think the 1070 only gets 62 FPS in GTAV at very high settings 1080p?
And that still doesn't show a 33% disparity between min and max frames, retard.

>>60070679
Not with Freesync.

>RX580 8GB + Freesync 1440p 40-144hz IPS
$270+$400 = $670
>GTX 1070 + Gsync 1440p 40-144hz IPS
$370+$600 = $970
>$300 more for a 9-34% fps increase.
It's just plain not worth it.
With that $300 savings, you can buy a whole new better card next year even if you decide to throw your RX580 in the trash instead of reselling it.

1070+gsync is poor price/performance. Only worth considering a 1080 or above.

>>60071015
Um, no. All Intel CPUs can do virtualization.

>>60071092
I'd drop down to a 1500x since you don't need the extra cores, and you can overclock it higher.

>>60071115
>All Intel CPUs can do virtualization.
At inferior performance

>>60070679
>an average FPS of 60 or slightly above will have drops below that and will stutter, more or less.
Only if the monitor is a 60Hz monitor and you're using Vsync. The the Vsync will drop the displayed FPS to 30 the moment the real FPS drops to 59, and then it jumps back to 60 as soon as the real FPS exceeds 60 again, causing a type of stutter.

As long as the real FPS stays below the monitor's refresh rate you're fine

>>60071120
Nope. VT-d is enabled on all Pentiums and Core i3/i5/i7s. It was only Haswell (pre-Refresh) that got jewed out of that feature.

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DMn9QV

Thoughts? Made some changes based on some advice I got here awhile back. No storage because I have a perfectly good 500GB 840 EVO I'm taking out of my old build.
I'm going with 8 GBs of RAM for now because I have 8GBs in my current build and haven't come close to using all of it.

>>60071141
he's a shill, dumbass

>>60071118
I was getting the 1600 because its the best price/performance of rhe R5s plus it future proofs my CPU and allows me to multitask. Supposing I change it though, what should I spend the saved money on in the build?

>>60071161
Maybe a better case? The 1500x is as good as the 7700

>>60071141
It's enabled. No shit. I never said otherwise. I said it's slower with common applications like VirtualBox >>60071015 which you can't dispute.

>>60071191
Not a better GPU? Wouldn't it be a better idea to invest in better clocks/VRAM?

>>60070959
>>60070959
>>60070959

new thread

>>60071221
I didn't notice the GPU, and yeah. Get a 580 8 GB if you can afford it.

Semi-related to topic but I have a M5A97 R2.0 Mobo and have been getting recent memory issues that I suspect are from it.

I'm looking to either replace or upgrade it because it seems to be outdated.

Should I get the R2.0Plus
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16813132513
or the 970 Pro
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16813132713
or should I just stick with what I have already?

Also how long do I have before my Mobo completely shit's the bucket due to the memory issue, I need to know how much time I have to get the cash.

>>60071191
The 1500X is like 75% the 7700. It's good enough, it's better than an i5, but the 7700 is way way better than an i5.
It's perfectly sufficient for 60fps and then some wheras i5s drop frames in lots of newer games, but that's as far as it goes.

>>60070778
>$54.90
>>60070877
>the Define S should be cheaper
That's definitely not the case in Europe, and Fractal Designs is headquartered here. Is it true in the US?

>>60071239
What sort of difference will I notice in 6 cores vs 4 cores though?

>>60071245
>The 1500X is like 75% the 7700.
Wrong. It's as good as the 7700, stop talking out of your ass.
https://youtu.be/1I2ZtitLnGQ
https://youtu.be/yeCKpBPvcN8

>>60071281
Nothing worthwhile at your budget and at 1080p/60hz.

>>60070969
>you can install os on a removable drive
>the $5 usb adapter is going to do 5gbps
>the sd card will read/write at 500MBs
>sd bottlenecked through usb adapter has anywhere near the i/o of a ssd
You'd be better off with a small hdd for page file and caching. Just buy a cheap prebuilt.

>>60071226
GTFO with your intel garbage shilling

>>60071103
>And that still doesn't show a 33% disparity between min and max frames, retard.

Games do not preform the same in all spots
games dont hold constant fps despite they should.

those are highest and lowest thats how you get your "average" that is worth shit. If you "benchmark" in non demanding area and only look on average you get "brilliant resoults like"
>doesnt matter what you buy g4560 or i7 it preform roughly the same
or
>rx580 is perfect 1440p 60 card

stare at a sky box and you will get 60fps in modern games on g4560 and rx460 at 1440p
this is exageration but accuretly reflect how much you can trust most "tests".


Let me give you an example i have second pc old c2d system with hd7770
crysis 3 runs in 30 fps bryliant console level but still playable right? WRONG
it runs in 30 medium on first level you get to the "welcome to the jungle" level and its 15 frames no matter the settings or resolution because cpu is crapping it slef game is unplayable.

>>60071103
>Not with Freesync.
I've used FreeSync for months. FS alone does nothing for the frame time variance of the game itself without an accompanying FPS cap which your system can sustain. Drops below 50 feel stuttery even with FS anyway. With FS you'd probably get Hitman in addition to BF1 running pleasantly, not much else from that image you posted.

>>60071139
>the Vsync will drop the displayed FPS to 30 the moment the real FPS drops to 59
That's a very simplistic way of viewing things and generally incorrect, not to mention that the exact behavior depends on the VSync implementation. It's safe to say that VSync doesn't operate on FPS directly in any case, when you say that it "will drop the displayed FPS to 30" you mean that the same frame will be displayed for 2 monitor refreshes in a row because the new frame hasn't finished on time, which does indeed cause more stuttering.

If you're not using VSync and you're not using a good FPS limiter you will get frame time variance in any case. But if you're using a FPS limiter other than VSync you're likely to get very visible tearing, so that's no good either. On a "normal" 60Hz display the only way to get perfect smoothness is to use VSync and have a system fast enough to push out every frame in less than 16.66ms (1/60s). Depending where and how many frames are buffered that may also have some sense of wiggle room so it's not absolutely correct either, but you get the idea I imagine.

If you're using FreeSync or GSync you can use another FPS limiter and set it arbitrarily within your FreeSync/GSync range to get perfect frame delivery, if your system can sustain the FPS limit. They also help smoothness by reducing VSync judder if you drop below that, so they're REALLY nice to have but not a magic bullet which solve any and all stuttering anyway.

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>Shadow Rock Slim can only be mounted vertically on AM4

WHY

>>60071291
>Wrong. It's as good as the 7700, stop talking out of your ass.
>https://youtu.be/1I2ZtitLnGQ
Well compared to the locked 7700, yeah they should be roughly even like that shows. But a 7700k will somewhat reasonably clock 20% higher. It also costs twice as much
75% of the 7700k's performance is still good. I guess maybe more like 80-83% based on that video. The 7600k is only about 65-70%.
It's a good CPU, I'm just saying it's not a 7700k.

I guess there's no reason to recommend the 7700 anymore besides the iGPU.

>>60071392
>wanting to mount horizontally

>just reworked computer with new mobo, cpu, ram, ssd and gpu
>ocassionally the screen will freeze (unable to move mouse) for about 10 seconds while doing insignificant shit
Any ideas what could be the cause? I've updated BIOS and gpu driver since installing and let windows handle the rest. Worried it's hardware.

>>60071316
Hm good point. I would need a USB 3.1 one. That will still be much faster than a HDD.

>>60071144
>single stick of ram
>4k monitor
>rx 580
wtf are you even doing?

>>60071311
So basically my choices are a 1500X+RX 580 8GB combo or a 1600+RX 570 combo. Is that correct? Which would last me the longest and has best price/performance you think?

>>60071435
For gaymen always get a better GPU. 1500x/rx 580 will give you a better price/performance.

>>60071390
>They also help smoothness by reducing VSync judder if you drop below that, so they're REALLY nice to have but not a magic bullet which solve any and all stuttering anyway.
What you're thinking of is how the hz range can not be enough to sync with the frametime variance. With 40hz minimum, you'll still see stutters and choppiness if you're going from 10-30ms frametimes even though that's an average of 50fps which is seemingly well in that 40hz range. You need to keep under 25ms for every single frame.
But ryzen+radeon simply doesn't get extreme frametime variance like that even without framerate limiting, so it's not a problem.

> FPS limiter
Radeon Chill.
Digital Foundry actually just went over that in their RX570 video: overclocking the card for extra headroom for the dips but limiting the framerates to 60fps to keep it smooth.

>>60071406
But MUH RAM

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>>60071435
Dont buy 4 core ryzens they are a flop
Dont buy rx 570 either if you can avoid it

cut cost elsewhere dont over pay for 3000mhz ram
buy cheap case
skip ssd now and buy it later etc.

take r5 1600 + rx 580 8gb

>>60071503
What about the heat coming from your GPU back plate?

Okay guys, noob coming through

My younger sister got her shit together and is doing well in school, and I want to give her a new PC.

Could you guys please give me a decent sub-$550 build with at least a GTX 760 (or equivalent) and an SSD?

I can put a PC together, but am shit at picking parts

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>>60071523

>>60071467
Thanks for the advice, I'll look into it.
>>60071523
I only have the budget for one thing or another. The only other possible thing I could cut back on is the mobo/case but that doesn't save me enough to cover a 1600+RX 580 8GB. I already ordered the SSD, HHD, and RAM, as I previously stated.

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>>60071523
>1400
>not 1500x
>not overclocked
>using one of the 3 games that have known buggy performance on Ryzen

>>60071576
I'd go with the 1500X and the RX580 8GB if you have 1440p or plan on getting it. The price/perf of the RX580 8GB is not worth it for 1080p though.

>>60071576
If you've already ordered them mark them as purchased on your list.

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asked in the wrong thread:

currently have Phenom II X4 965 CPU and GT 640 GPU (i know...)

going to up the gpu to RX 570 and eventually the cpu to G4560. at least this is my plan currently, and i'll need a new psu when i snag the cpu...probably need a new mobo with the cpu too. but i'll get the cpu/psu/mobo later.

what i wanted to know was if the G4560 is at all future-proof. surely it's a big leap from my current cpu that's barely hanging on (the Phenom II X4 965)?

>>60071594
They aren't on the list to help with overall cost calculation.
>>60071591
I'm not planning on getting 1440p. Is an RX 570 the way to go then?

>>60071539
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zVW6Fd
go used legacy parts and get her a 4c/8t for g4560 money

>>60071539
Consider something like this
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FPJPHN

>>60071607
The socket is somewhat future proof, because you can upgrade to a better CPU from the G4560 later. I don't imagine games will need more than 8 threads for a while.

However, AM4 is the most future proof socket.

>going to up the gpu to RX 570 and eventually the cpu to G4560.
>probably need a new mobo with the cpu too
The G4560 is a little bit weak for the 570, but that might even out as the system ages. You would DEFINITELY need a new mobo. The fact that you put probably means you need to research more

>>60071645
>>60071678
Thanks guys, I'll consider these.

Old parts is a great idea, will look around for more deals

>>60069227
Source for the OP image? It's pretty [spoiler]cute[/spoiler]

>>60071607
I think even the G4560 iGPU is an upgrade from the GT 640.
Maybe roughly equal or close to it.

>what i wanted to know was if the G4560 is at all future-proof
um no? It's on a socket that no new CPUs are being made for. And it can't maintain 60fps in many game, even some older ones.
But it's very good for the price, still.
Dunno maybe you should just get a 1600 and use the GT 640 with it instead of buying both a new CPU and GPU. I think that'd make way, way more sense.
By the time you save up for a GPU, they'll have dropped in price and/or better ones will be out.
Gl.

>>60071721
Do people really upgrade their cpus frequently enough where they could fit on the same socket? Sounds silly as fuck to me.

>>60071630
>I'm not planning on getting 1440p. Is an RX 570 the way to go then?
Yeah, just get one of the good 570 4GB models and you can overclock it even further for another 5-10% gain. Super value.
May as well just get the 1500X if you really don't think you'll make use of the other 2 cores on the 1600. But frankly I think it's useful. Like you can let Steam download and install updates while you're gaming without hardly affecting performance at all. But the 1500X is still overkill for tons of games and will be very underutilized in a lot of cases.

>>60071645
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zVW6Fd
That's some nice value, but do 2x4GB. Dual channel has significant performance benefits, sometimes a 20% increase.

I also really want to see a comparison review of one of those 4GB RX580s vs one of the higher end RX570s like the Red Devil. OC'd as well. For 10% more expensive, I don't think the 580 is going to be close to 10% higher framerates at 1080p in 99% of games. Maybe 2-4%. Those extra CUs just don't get filled with more work to begin with.

>>60070675
>>60071709
MSI comic that comes with their GPUs. It's also on their website.

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>>60071686
You will feel a huge leap in preformance no question about it but buying 4 core cpu would be much more preferable as g4560 will still slightly bottle neck rx570 in cpu intensive scens and you will see fps grops. Going with nvidia may be a better option for you actually even with castrated card such as gtx 1060 3gb.

but either way you should be happy from the result especially considering what you are dealing with now

>>60071721
nah i was going to upgrade my GPU first even though it'll bottleneck because the phenom ii 965 hits min. specs a lot.

do you mean the Ryzen 5 1600? because my GPU can literally run nothing at all. unless you mean the 1600 has a built-in iGPU or something

>>60071686
maybe ill just get a better cpu then. this is way later too.

>>60071757
You can easily double or triple your perf on the AM4 socket depending on starting CPU. I would say 1500X to a later 8c/16t CPU is a good upgrade path

>>60071757
>Do people really upgrade their cpus frequently enough where they could fit on the same socket? Sounds silly as fuck to me.
We fucking used to! Before AMD fucked up with Bulldozer and Intel stagnated for 6 years after gaining such dominance.

I started building PCs in 2001. We were getting exciting ass upgrades like every 2 years and AMD supported their sockets for a long time.
AM4 is supposed to be supported for at least 4 years. So you can upgrade your 1600 to a 3700 or 4800X or whatever. It's another reason that i5s no longer make sense, but no more reasons were needed for that anyway.

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>>60071591
>using one of the 3 games...

yea sure

>>60071487
>What you're thinking of is how the hz range can not be enough to sync with the frametime variance
No, I'm not thinking of that. That's another issue entirely, I skipped over that entirely and sort of just assumed it's a "perfect" FreeSync monitor which always syncs. The frame time variance in itself is a source of (micro)stutter, even if the display can properly sync to every frame. If your frame time is constantly spiking from 10ms to 30ms (for example) you're still going to perceive microstutter even if the display syncs and shows every frame perfectly. Some frames will simply be displayed for a longer time and there's no way to avoid perceiving that stutter unless you eliminate it. That is done through some FPS limit or a good engine which has minimal variance in the first place.
>Radeon Chill
I never used it personally, but I did use the built-in FPS limiter in Crimson back when it didn't have a fancy name although it existed. It was actually a pretty bad implementation compared to the one in RTSS, it wasn't as smooth.

In the specific case of the 580 which averages like 55FPS in some games, the minimum could easily be something like 45. If you set a 45 FPS limit, it's just not going to be very smooth, FPS is simply too low compared to 60 even if frame delivery is almost perfectly even.

>>60071856
>R5 1400
>not overclocked
>posting irrelevant polski """"""benchmarks""""""

Why are Intel shills so butthurt about Ryzen?

>>60071833
never mind.

here is what i am going to do: get the rx 470, then in several months upgrade everything else because my GPU is way more trash than my CPU is (cpu is think meets the minimum for witcher 3).

when that time comes im going to get the Ryzen 5 1500 for my cpu and then make the other appropriate upgrades (psu, mobo, i already have 16gb of ram sticks)

>>60071833
>do you mean the Ryzen 5 1600? because my GPU can literally run nothing at all. unless you mean the 1600 has a built-in iGPU or something
Yeah no iGPU on it.
I figured the 640 could still run like CSGO. Maybe Overwatch on super low settings.
Ryzen APUs will come late this year which have iGPUs. A20 series I'm guessing they'll call it.

>>60071856
>more 1400 which the OP also recommends not to buy unless it's dirt cheap
>more cherry picking
>some sort of polish arab shill fake shit
https://youtu.be/MjgLMASZJlg?t=1m43s

>>60071957
well yeah i can run CSGO and Overmeme but i want to run everything, including Witcher 3 and the cemu emulator. and Battlegrounds.

>APUs
surely they wont be as good as something like a 570?

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>>60071942
Buyers remorse. They convinced themselves that the 7600k was exactly the same as the 7700k, and that an i5-7500 was hardly worse than the 7600k as well, even though none of those things are true.

Now R5 comes, they see benchmarks that aren't GPU limited, and even the $190 1500X often beats the 7600k on its stock cooler while the 1600 completely BTFOs it in minimums and smoothness.
They realize they should have gotten a 7700k or waited, but it's too late to return anything and no one wants to buy their garbage, so all they can do is try to prevent new builders from getting a superior PC for less money than they wasted.

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>>60071897
>R5 1400
There is 0 gaming difference between 1400 and 1500x
>not overclocked
Oc is not something you should be forced to do but they did test that
>posting irrelevant polski """"""benchmarks""""""
strong argument you have ther m8

>>60072016
>no difference with 1400

not him but if thats true fuck it, i'll just get that then with a 570. save 20 bucks from the 1500

>>60071816
I don't know if I will be able to use the extra 2 cores is the problem. My plan was to future proof my CPU with the 1600.

>>60071957
>>more cherry picking
thats the whole point of benchmarking you take the part of the game that hists perticular component of the pc hardest and messure the resoults

some random gameplay fragment is worthless as a cpu benchmark

who give a shit if in one part of the game you get 60 fps if in the other you getr 30fps

>some sort of polish arab shill fake shit
with much more logic and professionalism applied to testing than all random shilltubers combined

>>60072016
>There is 0 gaming difference between 1400 and 1500x
No shit Sherlock. X CPUs are a scam, only 1800X is significantly better binned.
>Oc is not something you should be forced to do
Nobody does. It's free performance if you do.
>strong argument you have ther m8
>posts irrelevant polski charts
>www.purepc.kurva
>???
>expects people to acknowledge it
kek

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>>60069227
>Start buying all my shit
>Last piece is the graphics card, but ended up going over the budget because of sales tax, shipping and handling, etc.
>"Well I guess I can wait until next payday, I should be able to afford it then."
>Two days later the one I wanted is sold the fuck out everywhere
Fucking Sapphire I wanted that forbidden fruit. Should I wait and see if it restocks soon or go for another brand like MSi? Because really I wanted the Sapphire card for the aesthetics.

>>60071952
Maybe you should just get an RX560 (should be like $110-$125) so you can afford to get a better CPU and get on the AM4 platform with an R5 1500X?

They're still for sale at $173 http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?isRefine=true&_pgn=1&_sacat=175673&_saslop=1&_sasl=refurbforless+ryzen+5
Or $152 for the 1400 but the 1500X is clocked higher, has twice the L3 cache, and the 1400s seem to generally sometimes have issues like in running faster RAM. But if your budget is that limited, idk save the $21 it's way better than what you have now and at least you're on AM4 to upgrade later easily and cheaply.

I got my mATX ASRock pro4 board for $65, but I think that deal is gone now. Actually I got it for like $47, but it was from stacking some discounts that aren't available anymore.

>>60071996
>surely they wont be as good as something like a 570?
No but they might be like RX460 performance. Plus 4c/8t.

>Witcher 3
Well maxed? That game is demanding. Check Digital Foundry's RX570 video, though.

>>60072016
>>60072048
It's not remotely true. The guy is blatantly lying. I'm not sure why that isn't apparent based on his other stupid posts.
Literally no one recommends the 1400. The 1500X has significantly higher IPC thanks to having double the cache on top of overclocking better and having a better stock cooler.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8u1hd_7nUaw

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Why is the Taichi 270 freaking € in Europe when the ASUS Crosshair VI Hero costs the same and the ASUS Prime Pro is only 166€?

What board would you guys get considering these prices?

What I value:
>Good VRM for good overclock.
>Ability to automatically downclock and downvolt at idle (the same way Intel CPUs works even when OC). I still don't understand if Pstates are required or not.
>Good support with BIOS updates for possible CPU upgrade a few generations from now.
>I don't need Wi-fi nor a big amount of SATA or USB.

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I want to compare this ryzen build to a 6800k build but I'm not sure which board is the best for broadwell-e. Anything good under 400 cad ?

>>60072095
Which one do you want? The Nitro+?
Get the XFX GTR-S or the PowerColor Red Devil GS. Both are better.

>>60072099
Thanks, very helpful.

I wanted to go 570 (I meant 570, not 470) so it'll be more futureproof.

And yeah when I do go CPU, it'll be 1500X or 1600X.

Witcher 3 with 570 and my shitty cpu can be played in medium. I won't actually play it for ages anyway, so by the time I do I'll probably have the new CPU anyway so I might just get the new GPU for now and get the 1600 later (futureproof over the 1500). I game a lot and still have to play the first two Witchers.

>>60072136
Not sure about the Pstates with downvolting.

>>60072156
1600X doesn't come with a stock cooler, only the 65w TDP chips do, which will greatly increase your build cost.
1500X or 1600 are the way to go for budget builds.
But yeah, maybe just get the RX570 now and upgrade your CPU later then instead of settling for a G4560. Make sure your PSU has the power pin connectors for the RX570 you get.

>>60072135
Your own video proves that there is little difference between 1400 and 1500x and thats with 1080 ti
with 570/580/gtx 1060 there would be literally no difference at all (also i seen it already)
>blatantly lying
lol no im just saying truth its not my foult that its hard to swallow for overly excited fans

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/84ZHD8
Is this a good build for 1080p/144hz?

>>60072276
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/84ZHD8
no not even close its a perfect 1080p 60 build

and for high fps you should stick with intel
you will need i7 7700k and at least gtx1070 (or wait for vega if there even will be vega equivalent) but even 1070 may not be enough

>>60072313
>high fps you should stick with Intel
I'm mostly using this for esports and indie games, I don't play AAA games.

>>60072276
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/84ZHD8
no not even close its a 1080p 60 build

and for high fps you should stick with intel
you will need i7 7700k and at least gtx1070 (or wait for vega if there even will be vega equivalent) but even 1070 may not be enough

unless you mean 144hmz in cs go in with case go one and dont mind what i said

>>60071886
>10ms to 30ms (for example) you're still going to perceive microstutter even if the display syncs and shows every frame perfectly.
Depending on frametimes and monitor refresh rates, Freesync wil mitigate it to an extent using "Low Framerate Compensation", much the same way VR has that interpolated doubling thing to help with the required framerates

>>60072221
... little difference when GPU bottlenecked, yeah. You don't test CPUs with a GPU bottleneck.

>>60072276
That won't hit 144fps in a lot. CS:GO, yeah.
Overwatch and RB6Siege you might have to drop graphics settings a bit.
And the 8GB of VRAM isn't benefitting you much for the cost. You should probably wait for Vega if you can afford it and do 1440p 144hz then

>>60072329
list games like the OP says.
I need to sleep though.

>>60072344
>Low Framerate Compensation
No, I'm not talking about that and it's a different matter. Even if you're in the completely normal FS (or GSync, there's no difference) refresh rate interval frame time variance will still produce microstutter. FS does absolutely nothing to help with that. Your monitor will display what it's fed - if it's fed shit frame time it will display shit frame time and you will perceive stutter. It's even worse without FS - you either get tearing on top or you get extra judder from VSync which makes it even worse.

>>60070937
>reccomended
you mean some one is trying to troll you by telling you to get a non hyperthreaded quad core in 2017
read the OP and fuck off

>>60070992
>DUH AYEMDEE SHILLS
fuck off shlomo, back to the gas chambers

>>60072331
fuck off you massive intel cuck shill

>>60069985
I didn't get mine from onthehub.

I don't know where my school get their licenses from but they are a fucking meme.

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>>60072357
>... little difference when GPU bottlenecked, yeah. You don't test CPUs with a GPU bottleneck.
not a second ago someone was accusing me of cherry picking and invalid benchmarks because
i posted benches in cpu demanding scenes and with 1080ti not on the other hand its the other way around?
If you approche it this way there is even more of an argument to go with intel with eat up ryzen when it come to frame rates its able to push out of high end gpus.

>>60072095
>but ended up going over the budget because of sales tax
How? Why would you ever price something less tax?

>>60072194
>power pin connectors

thanks. will that come up on pcpartpicker? it'll show as incompatible, no?

Alright boys
I need to upgrade my gfx card and I'm coming from 2-7870XT cards in XFire, is the 580 a worthwhile upgrade over getting a 480? I'd be getting the 8GB regardless of which one
Also, my local Wally World has a AOC I2476VWM 24" 1080P monitor for 99.99, is it worthwhile? My toaster is running a 4690k at 4.5GHz on a Gigabyte MX-5 Gaming mATX board with 8GB RAM

>>60072433
>rage of a retard

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>>60072561
>crossfire from rx580 or even 570

>>60072585
Thanks for contributing, but I don't want to crossfire the new card, I said I'm coming from a crossfire setup

>>60072602
Even more the reason not to do it.

>>60072631
>Even more the reason not to do it.
Any reason why? What would you recommend?

which ab350 motherboard is /g/ approved?

>>60072637
I dont know really because i wouldn't put my self in situation where i have cf or sli.

>>60072659
Gaming 3 , pro 4. Maybe the prime though it's had some BIOS issues it seems fine now. For match at least, I don't know the full atx

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Lads is this plastic on the mount under the mobo supposed to come off? Right?

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>>60072838

>>60072789
No, again, I'm asking what single gfx card would you purchase to replace 2-7870XTs in crossfire? Budget is <$300

>>60072938
Ook i didnt i just assumed it was a spacer or something

guys help me decide between 2 mobos for a budget build:

>asus h110m-a/m.2
>msi h110m pro vh
>gigabyte h110m-h

which of those three has better quality components, durability and is less prone to failure?

>>60072947
the point im making is that im not sure replacing your cf setup by sub 300$ gpu is worth it

>>60073127
Got to do it, they've already started fucking up causing artifacts on the screens, rolled the driver back after using ddu, still there, found out that I had to reset my OC settings in Crimson and Afterburner in order for them to stop artifacting, the oldest one is 5 years old and it's time to replace

>Cheap Z270 board is still good for faster memory in games w/ locked 7700, but aren't for overclocking (VRMs suck)

Is the 'faster memory' only referring to the optane you get w a 270? I'm putting together a 7700k build and I'm not seeing why I wouldnt just grab a 170 with a decent vrm. Dont need the extra PCI slots either.

>>60071370
Not him but you're showing ultra benchmarks with max settings. That's worthless. Nobody needs to have AF 16x. It doesn't support your argument.

>>60069871
That's completely wrong, retard. Feel free to show pictures to support your argument.

What would be a good case to get that is a mid tower. I know people say a case is one of the most important things since its something that will outlast all of your other parts so I just want to make sure I get something good. Budget is $200

>>60073308
Fractal designs

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Time for a full rebuild or what can I salvage

>>60073308
>>60073318
This. It's the one company (and seasonic for PSUs) that I brand name. The Define S is an amazing tower for its price. You could probably find it on craigslist for ~70$. If not, you can get it for around 80 including shipping + tax.

>>60073329
What's your purpose? Your CPU should be fine for 60-75hz. RAM is fine. GPU could use a 570 if doing 1080p.

>>60073329
I'm >>60073185 and in the same boat
Salvage it unless you think you need to upgrade your CPU, and by salvage I mean get a new gfx card and another 8GB RAM

>>60073362
>>60073379
So just toss in a 580 and be good for, what, two years at 1080p? I feel like I want to throw in something a bit pricier so I can gut the whole thing later and keep the graphic card for a full refresh.

>>60073185
ok that changes the perspective if they are failing.
Try to find out with one is failing and sell the other one get 580 instead of 570
>>60073329
just add 8gb of ram no reason to upgrade whole platform yet

>>60073462
You can't future proof GPUs.

Get what you need now and no more. Upgrade wisely when you have to.

Probably is better asking in /sqt/ but will give it a shot here too.

I have a Z97 motherboard and i would like to buy a Samsung 950.
So there will be a bottleneck because my M2 slot works at 10Gb/s.
How good are PCIe to M2 adapters? i will use it in a PCIe x4 2.0 slot.

>>60073276
Except af is free setting on pc it has marginal to none impact on performance and you just keep proving that you have no idea what you are talking about.

>>60072561
580vs480
Yes but consider a 4gb if you're sticking 1080p. Pulse is $199 and will do fine.
I'd say it's around 120-150% the performance of 7870cf, 200% perf single gpu.

>>60073582
>keep proving
First post here buddy.

You know what doesn't have a marginal impact? MSAA 2x. And your proof is irrelevant anyway, very high != medium. Stop posting, you're disproving yourself.

>>60073616
>very high != medium.
most of my benchmarks are in v.high as of mssa even consoles use it for aa solution now days
C O N S O L E S

2x isnt even that high its minimum to make games look nice on 1080p
the higher resolution the less you will need it but i 1080p it makes hell of a difference

>>60073660
Look, I'm really not in the mood for goalpost moving. Your original statement:

>>with 580 and 1440p you will be playing on medium
Do you have any proof of that? Keep in mind, very high and ultra != medium.

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What's the general idea for upgrading rams? Do I need to get the exact samething as what I have now or can i go with a different brand if the numbers match?

These

>>60073612
Mind you I had the Tahiti 7800s, not the Pitcairns

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>>60073680

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Can someone correct my setup? The use for it are (in order) gaming, ArcGIS 10.4, Adobe cc (illustrator, ps, after effects, premiere), SFM, and maybe Maya in the future

I already have a dell s2716dg for it to go 144hz

I'm not really sure whether I should go for a 1tb SSD instead of 250/500gb + HDD combo because SSD makes everything faster at the expense of storage

Max budget is 2k USD

>>60073739
That's one example of a piss-poor optimized game, with the setting "Very high", and even a 1070 can't hit 60fps. By your logic with this reply, the 1080 would be needed for 1440p gameplay. Ridiculous.

Do you have a difficult time admitting you are wrong or something?

EVGA or SeaSonic for a PSU?

>>60073771
Seasoning
Without a doubt

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>>60073761
Making by thin hair in 1080p leave alone 1440p

I've done a lot of reading up about VRMs, and I have the gist of how they work, but how do I apply the knowledge? I'm not seeing VRM specific information for boards, and even if I did I dont really want to look up every component of the VRM and look up whether or not they're good, I'd probably be wrong in my final assessment to boot.

Is there a short list of 170/270 boards that feature decent VRMs?

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>>60073776
Mah nigga

>mfw Adobo

>>60073771
is this a serious question?

>shitty brand vs best brand of PSU currently in the consumer market

>>60073779
Your file name really just outs you as a shill.

>hbao
>amd struggles when using nvidia tech
Really jogging my noggin there buddy.

How much longer till Vega?

>>60073735
Still close, if your gpus are artifacting oc, I would test them at stock clocks and get rid of them on ebay stat. do this >>60073535, current arches are maxxed out, next gen will be your chance to get a higher end gpu that might have legs.

>>60073837
>wait till next gen!!
Nah, I'm just gonna bite the bullet and get a nitro+ 480 8gb and some RAM for about $260

>>60073831
1 month for "premiere"
2 months for firs shop deliveries
and probably 5 more months for reasonably priced vega with ddr5/ddr5x
if rumors are correct.

and if they are i may just buy gtx1070

what do you guys think about this?

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/stephano2013/saved/nx9P6h

also, what is your opinion on HDMI vs viewport on video cards and monitors?

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>>60073826
i named them like that just for you and others spreading same bullshit. And im not nvidia shill from all the gpus i had in my life only one was gforce (the first was voodoo) and the rest were ati and than amd. Im waiting for vega 11 or how ever cheaper vega with out hbm will be called but i cant say amd makes it easy for me and i am tempted to buy gtx1070 rx 480/580 has simply to little juice in it self.

>>60073938
>spreading same bullshit
Says the guy that can't even post one picture to back his assertion up. A few unoptimized pieces of shit aren't even an argument, especially in the context of very high = medium crap.

>reusing pics
>very high
>one troublesome location
HAHAHAHAHAHA

I guess the 1070 isn't good enough for 1440p, either? Fuck off retard.

>>60073973
And I also just noticed in two of these benchmarks, TAA is enabled. With is worse than FXAA and hits performance harder in most games. What kind of shilling is this? The HBAO still takes the cake on purposeful deceitfulness.

Why can't you just post some reputable benchmarks with normal high settings to back your claim up? Why all this bullshit with "very high/ultra", one location areas, terribly optimized games and AMD using nvidia tech?

>>60069227
Has anyone ever used the a website called sholmber? I was shopping for a monitor and Google shopping shows this website that's selling the monitor new for a particularly low price. Seems kinda sketchy. The regular price for the monitor is around $450 and they are selling the same exact monitor for $293.

http://sholmber.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=53_50&products_id=30030

>>60069227
Any suggestions.
I think I have a the best possible system for my budget. 1500-1800
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7jmBd6

>>60073973
>one troublesome location
>i enjoy when my games drops 20-30 fps depending on location
kek whats the point of benchmarking?
buy your self a g4560 it will also drop frames only in certain locations
>I guess the 1070 isn't good enough for 1440p,
just barely ok for 1440p same way 580 is ok for 1080p


What you and other retards should get is that im not telling you to not play in 1440p on rx580 but that experience is compromise so much that the card can not be called
>1440p gpu
and recommended as such because thats simply misleading

>>60074094
>1070 barely okay for 1440p

>compromise
>not enabling settings that make no visual difference
>not playing shitty games like GR: Wildands
Terrible advice. Just stop posting and lurk more.

Whats the cheapest build that will run Left 4 Dead 2 max settigs, 1080/60fps smoothly?

>>60074115
>hbao
>no difference

go to a fucking doctor and get your eyes checked
and as for you shilling accusations retard i dont consider gtx1060 a 1440p card either
and the only time i would ever recommend any one 1060 3g over 470/570 is if he had ultra shitty cpu

and if i had to chose between 1060 and 580 i would get 580 .

Stop being amd drone no worse then that amd zelot not even amd it self market 480/580 as a 1440p card

>>60074164
you don't want to make a build that only pass those requirements trust me

>>60074166
Use SSAO instead of HBAO. Problem solved. Looks the same, non-goyworks shilling crap to rig benchmarks.

>>60074220
>Looks the same
no it doesnt

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So what's the CPU to pair with 1080 these days?

>>60074289
generally ryzen 1600 / i7 7700k
but others cpus are fine

>>60074286
Haha. Nice talking to you shill. But that really blew your cover. Keep posting rigged benchmarks. (You)

>>60074289
You do realize the GPU will be bottlenecked at 4k and the 1080 is overkill for 1440p?

>>60074318
>1600
>i7 7700k

But there's like a $100 difference between them

>>60074335
>will be bottlenecked at 4k
what you mean is will be a bottleneck

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/32pRbj

Want to play modern games on highest settings at 1080p, but plan to upgrade my monitor when I can. I also do some video editing. Was thinking of maybe dropping down to a R5 1600x since R7 seems overkill

This is my current gaming rig, but looking to upgrade it, idk if theres a reason to change the cpu yet as seems to be fine for most games
For the gpu thinking of doing a 1070 or waiting for the 1100series. What about the sapphire 580
Ram: should i do 16gb? Is it worth it to change the mobo out for ddr4?
I want actual improvement that can be felt outside of heaven benchmark, where should i start

>>60074289
7700k, 6800k, ryzen 1700x

>>60074289
i7 7700k sadly at last if you are interested in high frame rates in gayms (in some cases ryzen can and will drop even belowe 60 in some titles).
If you want to try to future proof and can suffer throught low fps in some games and pretty much no 144hz aside in simplest games than ryzen 6 core or 8 core.

But i feel that now is really bad time for cpu upgrade. We have to see where optimisation of games for ryzen will go also there are rumors that new intel generation will feature bumped core count (6 cores instead of 4 for consumer processors).

>>60074340
>But there's like a $100 difference between them
That's because different cpu offer different performances in different workload. The 7700k is a good cpu because it offers extremely high clock + hyperthreading making it the best in gaming, r5 1600 is a good cpu because it offers 6 cores + hyperthreading making it the best for balanced singlethreaded / multithreaded workloads etc etc
Other cpus like 7600k, 6800k, r7 1700 are fine, but they are not as worth the money as the 7700k & the r5 1600 are though you can still get them

>>60074416
>(in some cases ryzen can and will drop even belowe 60 in some titles).
lol my friend what the fuck are you on about
There's literally 0 games where a ryzen will drop below 60fps, not even for i5s or i3s
It doesn't happen. Unless we're talking cpu benchmarking game (aots) with extreme of the extreme presets or some shit

But otherwise that does not happen period, games are not that heavy on the cpu at all

>>60074345
in a moment he will tell you to buy rx580 instead and play in 1440p in high-medium (but that's not real medium) in all games except
>shitty ones that run in sub 60 fps

>>60074345
I mean you will get 30-45fps on 4k @ high.

>>60074456
Not an argument.

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>>60074446
>There's literally 0 games
...

in before goalpost shifting
>its just fallout
no it isn't there are more

>>60074368
Also at 1080p, dual monitors but game at 1080

>>60074488
>i7 7700k
>sub fps
Bullshit. This is obviously a GPU bottleneck taken out of context. Source faggot.

>>60074490
you didn't post your current rig m8

But definitely do get 16gb ram
and if you can afford it get 1070 if you can't get 580

if you have any core i5k or i7k no do not upgrade right now wait another year or two to see how situation will develop from now

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>>60074488
>in some cases ryzen can and will drop even belowe 60 in some titles
And he casually forget to mentions that in his picture even the best gaming cpu falls under 60
You should stop posting in this general, fallout is not cpu heavy enough to fall under 60fps for a 7700k. As the other anon said, this is a gpu bottleneck taken out of context. You're not going to get those results with a GTX 1080 or Titan XP.

People come here with the intent to get useful informations about hardware in order to get the best suited one for them, what you are doing is misleading them with false informations. Don't post here anymore.

>>60074540
This guy is an intel shill faggot who keeps denying it.

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>>60074505
>Bullshit. This is obviously a GPU
they used
>ASUS GTX 1080 StriX Gaming OC 2025/10000 MHz
for tests

I just bought a i7 4790k for 120 bucks off of craigslist will a stock intel cooler not be enough for it?

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>>60074579
And now, actually competent benchmarkers

>>60074579
Source shill faggot.

>>60074540
>You're not going to get those results with a GTX 1080 or Titan XP.
except it was gtx 1080

>>60074595
No, the 4790k is clocked at 4.0 base. You'll overheat fast at full load.

>>60074529
I did, check the reply

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>>60074608
Which is why i get better results than their 7700k with my R7 1700 & R9 280 huh

>>60074600
>And now, actually competent benchmarkers
you mean actually incompetent benchmarkers who don't give a crap about finding cpu intensive scenes in games they use for benchmarking


epic flat line from pentium to i7 type of benchmarking

>>60074648
>epic flat line from pentium to i7 type of benchmarking
>** Hitman last month got a game-patch update that improves performance on pretty much all processors running the game in DX12. Hence we have to re-do ALL results. These are the first entries and yes, we still have a lot of setups to test.
competent benchmarkers

>>60074639
>>60074579
Are those .01% mins? Day 1 benchmarks? Any reason why all your sources are in foreign languages? The text reveal something that'd hurt your agenda?

Do you have any english sources from 2016/2017?

>>60074605
you have it in the screenshots
>>60074639
because you didnt replicate the settings and testing location faggot?

>>60074628
My bad, it didnt https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LxnCVY

>>60074684
>you have it in the screenshots
yeah funny enough when i search for it, I only get results from /g/ archives in anti-ryzen threads.

really makes me think.... honestly wouldn't put it past shills to photoshop benchmarks

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If I dont OC, what CPU should I get to pair with a 1070

>>60074684
>because you didnt replicate the settings and testing location faggot?
Marrakech is one of the fucking 6 only levels of the game, you think i wouldn't have played it?
And i played at fucking ultra
Your test is shit and so are you, just stop posting your shitty benchmarks, go do your shit in /r/buildapc or something
Hitman doesn't perform like that at all at ultra even on a fucking 5 years old 7950

Question about cooling.

I have an i3 6100, overclocked to 4625MHz and running at 1.35v. Under Prime95 I get up to 52 degrees, and it idles around 30.

Given that, will my cooler be fine for an i5 6400, and how far will I be able to overclock it?

>you can't overclock a 6400 hurr durr
You ""can't"" overclock an i3 6100 either but here we are

>buying ryzen

Guys, the Ryzen CPU is locked to only FoSS programs.

What people won't mention is that because of its unsoldered thermal plate it is in turn locked only to Adobe Creative Suite processes as they can handle the thermal flare ups that resultingly occur without resulting in color or audio data stagnancy.

This can all be counteracted by using a disc based hard drive though, as rotational read cycles are less backed up and more balanced vs SSDs.

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>>60074766

>>60074766
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pb7OWlVYYRw

>>60074699
https://www.purepc.pl/procesory/test_procesora_amd_ryzen_5_1600_najtansze_szesc_rdzeni
use google translator if you need you can also simply switch between benchmarks and look on graphs
>>60074712
>Marrakech is one of the fucking 6
and it is also a big level and they obviously pic the spot that hummers cpu the most also hitman is one for only few games that actually work worse in combination ryzen/gforce than ryzen/radeon

>>60074746
with motherboard are you using?

>>60074806
just stop m8
when every single benchmark websites & youtube channel shows different results than your shitty website there's a very good reason for it

>>60074833
Gigabyte Z170 HD3P with the special BIOS for BCLK overclocking

>>60074838
Most are lazy and do not bother to show worst case scenario. What they do is more of a game optimisation benchmark than hardware benchmark. What i show you is real deal hardware benchmark who care if for 90% of the time scors will actually be much higher. You will still have those few scens that will really push cpu (and different ones for gpu) and truly show what particular piece of silicon can do.

>>60074861
>Gigabyte Z170 HD3P
did you run into any issues with it?

>>60074911
No, it's always run fine and the BIOS flash was quick and painless

You looking to get into the mystical world of Skylake BCLK overclocking?

>>60074919
yup
i have i7 6700

>>60074896
>>60074806
>All tests were carried out on 64-bit operating system Windows 10. Processors worked on the standard settings ie .: predefined modes Turbo. DDR3 work at 1600 MHz CL 9-9-9-27 most platforms to provide processors identical conditions, even if used officially controllers support modules 1066, 1333, 1866 or 2133 MHz.

And that's all the specs he gives. You said he used a 1080. Where? I don't even know anything about his testing. This is a shit source dude.

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>>60074963
This is his testing platform
https://www.purepc.pl/procesory/test_procesora_amd_ryzen_5_1600_najtansze_szesc_rdzeni?page=0,1

>>60075043
So why does he have such terrible FPS compared to every other benchmarking site? He doesn't explain anything about his testing. Please don't just cite "proper cpu testing!111". What is he doing so differently that his FPS avgs are half of everyone else?

just got my ram, was packed in a manilla envelope that has some small bubble padding, but it was thrown over the fence in my residence.
don't get my other parts until later in the week, any reason to be scared for the sticks not working? stressing it a bit

>>60075066
he plays games looking at after burner graphs of gpu and cpu usage
in search of particular spots in game world that have highest usage of cpu, than he use those exact spots to test cpus.
he does the same for gpus.
This is why i like his test so much if his test says i will get over 60fps than i will have over 60fps.

If somone present me with benchmark of random not demading location with casual game play run and says
>yup 60 fps on average
than i instantly put such a "benchmark" in trash bin
average of 60 instantly implay drops under 60 and lack of care in location and run selection means that situation will be even worse.

>>60075145
Should be fine mate

worth sending a monitor back over 1 dead pixel that arrived today?

It's acer. Just talked to support and they want me to send it in for repairs, 7-10 days. I'm leaning towards sending it back and using old monitor till then.

>>60075145
just make sure they don't throw any other parts over the fence

Ok, so I might be stupid so bear with me.

I'm building a PC to run ESXi on. My build is:
>i7-3770
>32GB DDR3 1333
>RocketRAID 2720SGL
>3x PNY CS1311 240GB SSDs

I have ESXi installed on a thumb drive.
I bought the SSDs over time to replace the boot drives in various computers. I harvested them from those workstations for this project.

Here's my problem: The raid card will see the SSDs, and it will let me set them up in a RAID-5, but it won't let me initialize it. I checked the manufacturer's information afterwards, and it says it supports raid 0, 1, and 10.

wtf, how can a drive not support a RAID format?

How much of a difference in performance would i notice going from a gtx 770 to an RX580?

Bumping bc my build was nested in several replies
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LxnCVY
Where do i start upgrading

ok this shit is triggering me

>right now have HD6950
>acquire HD7850
>6950 works fine
>try installing 7850 and no video
>I can use onboard graphics with 7850 but the actual card will not output video
>it's in the same PCIE slot, same cables, etc

1. When the 7850 is in and I'm trying to output video from that the motherboard has an led labelled VGA_LED that is bright red

2. the 7850 uses PCIE 3.0 which the motherboard supports and I even turned that PCIE slot to only 3.0 but still nothing

3. It uses like 15~ watts more than the 6950 but it only has one 6 pin power connector and my 6950 has 2x 6 pin connectors, is there a secret hidden power connector I'm missing?

>>60075781
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LxnCVY
why did you buy z chipset board and locked cpu? Haswell can't be oc on custom bios as skylake if i'm correct.
Do you feel the need to upgrade?

Get i7 4770k
sell ram and buy two more sticks of ram
and you are good to go as for gpu keep it its pointless to change to anything lower than gtx 1070 so you can wait for now for vega and 2000 series from nvidia

>>60075338
yeah hate fucking ontrac and newegg using them.
moved some packages to be delivered to nearby access points.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/64GwXH
Budget is $1500. Recommendations?
>1600
The only thing i would get out of it is a more expensive gpu of the same family or a slightly bigger SSD
>inb4 overclock
Stock cooler is garbage. I want an aftermarket cooler

>>60073718
>>60076111

>>60076133
As long as the specs match and the timings are the same, you should be able to use different branded RAM

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>>60076195
>>60076195
>>60076195

>>60075852
Was a grad gift ~2 years ago, stepdad built it. Not bad but not great

>>60076106
Your cooler is shit, get a cryorig h5
Not sure about how good zotac ssd's are, maybe get the Sandisk SSD PLUS 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive for a dollar more
I personally would go with the Asus Radeon RX 580 8GB ROG STRIX Video Card as it's a bit cheaper and has 3 cooling fans.

>>60076226
It's also uglier than sin with a lower clock and a gaymer shroud

>>60076226
How much better is the h5 or h7?

what do I upgrade my i5-4690k to? straight to 7700k? or go r5/r7? the gpu is 1080ti if that matters.

>>60076983
R5 1600
Better upgrade for less money with a socket that will have a decent lifespan

>>60076983
Only if you have cash to burn