/pcbg/ - PC Building General

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/64GwXH
Recommendations? 1600 non-X memes need not apply

>>60076195
Bump

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>Buying discrete graphics
Lol

>germoney
>800 bucks max, lower prefered
>gaming non aaa titles (heroes of the storm, starcraft 2, diablo 3, civ 5)
>browsing
>programming
>dual booting windows and linux

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/RNTNFd

Some anon suggested to go for a mATX case since it's also a mATX mainboard so I swapped the fractal one in.
MSI mainboards are supposed to be bad? I went for the asrock pro 4 instead and also switched out the psu for a semi modular one.
The gpu is a placeholder since I'm currently waiting for the release of the rx 560 to see how it performs.
Any suggestions? Brands I should avoid because they are shit after all?

Obligitory best build

>>60076514
Oops forgot link
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/N6yVTH
Goodnight

>>60076526
meh

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TbrnJV

Gaymurr here looking for (You)'s

i5-7600K for $325AUD or i7-7700K for $479AUD, almost exclusively for gayming.

I was leaning towards the i7, then the i5 looked decent, then the header of this general says that i5s aren't worthwhile anymore. Thoughts?

>>60076728
>says that i5s aren't worthwhile anymore.
That's because of the (6 cores) amd ryzen cpu offering similar / better gaming performance, better power consumption, runs cooler, more multitasking & overclock isn't locked for the same or very close prices

7700k is kinda overkill for just gaming, you'd need to have a 144hz screen or do esport to justify it. It's the best gaming cpu period and there's no doubt no matter what gpu you pair it will, it will be bottlenecked.

>>60076762
> That's because of the (6 cores) amd ryzen cpu offering similar / better gaming performance, better power consumption, runs cooler, more multitasking & overclock isn't locked for the same or very close prices
Snap. I already purchased the LGA1511 motherboard and I'd rather not fuck around with the RMA process.

Might just bite the bullet and get the 7700K, secure in the knowledge that I should be fine for a fair while into the future.

So I have a 1360 x 768 monitor and two lines have appeared on it (vertically) doesn't really distract me but I want to use this as secondary montior.
Should I buy a 1440p or 1080p? I don't game much(just spaceengine), don't do much color intensive work, just programming. And I'm learning a CAD program next semester. What monitor/graphics card would you suggest?

>>60076913
sorry for my english still learning
korean schools don't teach proper english don't blame me

>>60076913
1440p and a 1050ti/RX 570. Maybe a 1060 or a 580 if the money isn't an issue. 1440p gives you a lot more room for CAD and other programs. The 1050ti/570 have enough processing power to handle games at 1440p with medium settings. The 580 and 1060 definitely have enough power for 1440p non max settings.

So I'm stuck between future proofing either my CPU or my GPU for my first build. Will either get an R5 1600+RX 570 combo or an R5 1500X+RX 580 8GB combo. Which one should I get?

what do I upgrade my i5-4690k to? straight to 7700k or make a switch to r5/r7?

Vega apparently launching *this quarter*, which should confirm it for 1-2 months from now.
Source:

https://wccftech.com/amd-confirms-rx-vega-launching-quarter-showcases-running-8k-video-editing/

Are the reference cards made by AMD usually good for cooling and silence, or should I wait for other manufacturers to bring their (usually) better cooling solutions out on the market?

Is there a bit performance different between an over clocked 7600k and a locked i5 6500?

>>60077017

The only good reference cards in the last few years from either AMD or Nvidia are the fury x and pro duo. All others are shit.

https://pcpartpicker.com/b/ffsJ7P

The pics don't really make sense, I uploaded them before i made changes. The parts list is accurate though. I'm new to the board, so it's be interested to hear opinions on what to change as I'm ready to spend more on it

>>60076973
thanks anon

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>>60077091

>4 months old

>>60077032
Theoritically yes there is one
Realistically you're gonna get bottlenecked by your GPU unless you have a high refresh rate screen & the gpu to go with it, so very little chance of there being a difference in your setup assuming you have the average rx 480 / gtx 1060 one or less

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>>60077221

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Is it possible to build a $100-$200 mini itx HTPC?

Something that I can install windows 7 and take to places to show movies and slideshows. No rendering, No gaming, only 1080p movies and slideshows.
The smaller and more portable, the better.

>>60077255
I spent about $300-$350 or so AUD on mine, and that handles everything I need it to. I just need to upgrade the HDD and I'll be set for years to come.

You probably can drop the price even lower if you super want to.

>>60077255
Yeah. Just search Newegg's embedded section. Some of these have the same processor as my Chromebook, which can handle 1080p video playback. https://m.newegg.com/ProductList?canPowerSearch=True&powerSearchParams=%7B"CategoryId"%3A20%2C"StoreId"%3A1%2C"SubcategoryId"%3A446%7D&isFirstin=false&description=p%252bmSD03xMzhVWzOyB8jgs7BKQEzYKi5tVRQhw%252fse4rc%253d&storeid=1&categoryid=-1&nodeid=7623&storetype=2&subcategoryid=446&brandid=-1&nvalue=100007623&showseealldeals=False&itemcount=0&issubcategory=true&level=3&Form+Factor%7C%7CMini+ITX=%7C%7C600009028%7C%7CPower

>>60076913
>So I have a 1360 x 768 monitor and two lines have appeared on it (vertically)
GPU is dying.

>>60077221
So is that too old to ask questions or too new?

>>60077014
whichever Ryzen is on sale, 1600 to 1700

>>60077013
Help guys?

>>60077466
First one if your monitor is 1080p.
6 cores, 12 threads, and TDP is fucking 65W only

>>60077013
>>60077466
Future proofing isn't real, but what are you going to use it for in this future

>>60077411
I don't even have a GPU haha
>>60076973
http://www.ebay.com/itm/QNIX-QHD2710R-MULTI-27-inch-2560x1440-LED-QHD-Matte-VGA-DVI-HDMI-Remote-Monitor-/262158013257?hash=item3d09d5d349:g:GtwAAOSwgyxWUsYc
This one good? Local so no extra shipping charges

>>60077583
>Future proofing isn't real
Tell that to my GTX 680.

What is this generations 3570k and 760 combo? Is it 7600k/1060?

Main use is 144hz 1080 gaming. No 3D or VR.

>>60076526
>nzxt cooler
do not buy anything from nzxt that isn't a case. their cooling/lighting products rely on their dumpster fire software. they have a bug tracker that's full of issues and the nzxt subreddit is nothing but complaints about how shit the software is.

>>60077632
Oh fuck, they weren't a meme?
I don't have to regret buying a 680 back then anymore?

>>60077632
I will remember that next time i think it's not real. My mistake

>>60077604
>that contrast ratio
Colors are going to look terrible on that.

I want to build a cheap PC around by old AMD 7800 GPU, but I don't know how to measure CPUs alongside GPUs. What's a good CPU that can complement it fine without bottleneck?

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>>60077688
I've been sitting happy with a GTX 680 for 4 years now and never wanted another GPU.

But it was overpriced when I first bought it. If you can get over that rough, awkward honeymoon with the price, eventually the hardware becomes a sweet lover that never leaves you and you never leave it and you grow old together.

>>60076206
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/64GwXH
>RAZOR
man what a fine choise, enjoy this high quality product my friend :)
>zotac ssd
sandisk(now WD), crucial or samshill is the way to go

My PC is in dire need of an upgrade.
Would upgrading to an i5 7500 CPU and B250M Mortar Motherboard be a good investment? If not, what should I consider instead?
Currently own a GTX 1060 GPU.

>>60077830
around last week or so I've upgraded to a 7500 with a b250 mobo, I've ran into no issues that I can link directly to the cpu or mobo and so far it works pretty well. my only regret is that I've ran out of reasons to use intel over Ryzen and I question if I made the right choice. right now I just shrug it off as "I'll turn back to amd once they have a full range of gpu and cpu options".

im going through MSI's warranty bullshit.

Has anyone gone through an RMA process with them?
Are they good? Do they fixed used GPUs?

>>60077964
curious, what were the issues you encountered?

>>60077979
well for one, most of the time when I boot, the computer does not display and needs to be booted up multiple times to finally get working. (actually now that I think of it, that could be linked to the mobo), the debugger led's on the mobo say it's a vga issue but I'm not entirely sure how to go about fixing it. I did not do a fresh install on windows and only reset it, even then it could not finish properly, I wonder what issues could rise from that.

>>60078074
I have that problem with my current build. Sometimes it takes a while to boot or it refuses to boot at all. Are you using a 1060 too? Do you think it could be a fault with the GPU?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/377c7h

How did I do?

>>60078137
I use an r9 270x, I can't link the issue to the gpu with the same certainty because with my previous am3+ board I did not have this issue. The changing factors were the cpu, mobo, and windows. I do't think the cpu is at fault, so to me it's either the mobo or something wrong with windows.

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Hello boys, I'm saving up my wagecuck money to buy a new gaming computer! And I need your help, /g/, to find the cheapest, most reliable, custom-built computer parts anyone could ever acquire to assemble into a PC. So, any suggestions?

>>60078206
add one or two more gpu's and monitors and you're good.

>>60078206
can save up some money on the mobo and desu at your budget going ryzen might be better, but otherwise it's fine

>>60078230
Read the sticky.

Austrian here, I really don't mean to play much just Rocket League and some racing games and am looking for a 1080p machine that won't feel like I overspent my money.
I would like to have a ryzen but I feel it's more of an emotional urge having had Athlons in my youth, I realize I won't stream, I am not a programmer, workstations are not for me. Don't want to wait for ryzen 3.

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>>60077777

>>60078257
he's bullying you for getting something razer and recommending you to get a sandisk, western digital, crucical or samsung ssd

>>60078246
Well shit, guess you can't be of any help then. Oh well, I suppose I'll need to ask /v/ then, but they're really immature about alot of things.

>>60078282
we're not here to do the job for you, stop being an entitled little fuck and get the fuck out of this board

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>>60077777

>>60077013
go for the 1500X unless you are doing compute benchmarks or are frequently megatasking

>>60078257
holy fuck that timestamp

>>60078294
>we're not here to do the job for you, stop being an entitled little fuck and get the fuck out of this board
No need to be rude, friend, I was simply asking a question which I didn't know was N/A for this board. Calm down and take some chill pills, ffs.

>>60078251
r5 1600

>>60076398
Eh, overspending on CPU and maybe underspending a bit on gpu. I think you can get away with dropping down to something like a 1500x and spending a little more for a rx 570. Sure a 560 will be ok in the games you're currently playing, but if you see a new game you like and realize the 460 will be too weak for it, you will be awful disappointed.

Goal was a poorfag machine. Transplanted my old GPU, ram, and HDD. I already bought the parts so it's too late to go back, but anything is better than the CPU I had before.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qQrnJV

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>>60076195
>the OP keeps getting manipulated.
Beware of Kikes

>>60078251
> I realize I won't stream, I am not a programmer, workstations are not for me
>rocket league at 1080p
Pentium g4560.

>>60076206
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/64GwXH
that's a 4k monitor with a Rx 580. What the fuck are you doing?

Am I right in assuming that black friday/cyber monday is the best time of year to go parts shopping? I'm looking to put together a somewhat future proof build but I'm not picky on how soon I pull the trigger.

If not when is?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BZgh8K

Built my first ever computer and now I'm replacing weak points for longevity. How does this look?

Step aside g4560 corelets, here's how a real poorfa/g/ gets his gay men.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zX42NN

>>60078358
why would you do that to yourself? I've lived that poorfag life with the mindset of "oh, anything is better than what I have" and I suffered for the choices I made out of that mindset for years. do yourself a favor and save up for a decent pc with strong core parts, cpu, psu, mobo.

>>60078437

that cpu cooler is adorable

>>60078405
maybe he wants to do productivity stuff but play games at 1080p or something

>>60078434
i prefer the evga Gq 650 over the g2. 99% the build quality, almost $20 less. I shill it every thread that I get the chance. Also you could shave like $10 off by going with that Team 3000mhz ram in silver or red, which IMO would look snazzy with that asus motherboard. No led's though.

>>60078425
black friday or any holiday hasn't been the best time for buying any product, let alone hardware, for ages. the "best" time if you can call it that is when a competitor releases a new product that starts a price war or someone has a good rebate if you dont mind waiting 6 months for the check. if you really want to save money and time is not an issue you plug your desired items into something like camelcamelcamel and wait, in the meantime browse sites like slickdeals or any one of the various price/sale tracking services.

>>60078480

Thanks for the suggestions. I was planning on going with full modular so I could change the PSU cabling, but I'm going to change out the plastic case window with solid metal anyways, so no point in it.

>>60078425
IIRC the only things that were even decent, let alone "great" deals, a couple very specific graphics cards, tvs, monitors, and maybe an SSD if you were lucky. Not worth waiting.

>>60078473
Not the person about to buy the 4K monitor, but it got me thinking.

Would playing games at 1080p on a 4K monitor look like shit?

It's not the monitors native resolution so I assume it would just look terrible, right?

>>60078374
Thanks,
in a neat little mini-itx with 1050ti or is 470/570 going togive a more well rounded unit?

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>>60078688
>It's not the monitors native resolution so I assume it would just look terrible, right?
That's not how it works
The reason why upscaling generally looks shit is because it's done from 720p to 1080p or 1080 to 1440p. Think about it, how does upscaling works per pixel? Each pixel will be duplicated so that the image looks larger

But a pixel is a cube. You can make this cube bigger, by making it a 4 pixel cube, so you end up with four times the pixels count, aka 4K, and it looks the same as it would on a 1080p screen because every pixels ends up occupying the same amount of space
But what about the in betweens? 4k it's fine because it's 4x the pixel count of 1080p. What about 720p from 1080p? There's only 2x more pixels from 720p to 1080p, you can't make a cube with two pixels, it becomes a rectangle and doing this would distort the image completely. What happens is that some pixels are doubled and some aren't, and this is what makes the image blurry, because not every pixel ends up occupying the same space

720p to 1440p? Good, 4x the pixels, looks exactly like 720p
1080 to 4k? Good too
But 720p to 1080, 1080 to 1440 or 1440 to 4k (2160) will look blurry

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pT8CVY

look ok for 1080p gayming and also rendering audio?

>>60078855
Yes, it will handle both great
Is the x370 really needed though? Do you intend to SLI/xfire or something?

Hey, I need to know that everything will fit in this case or if I'm gonna have to get a bigger one. Also, any suggestions or tips would be appreciated! Thank you.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gdKdYr

>>60078890
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycki6Dog4Mk
same cooler same case

>>60078926
Thanks for the reassurance, I'm still an amateur and the first time I built a PC I bought a cooler that was way too big.

>>60078890
why such an old case? there are much better ones that support that cooler way better for much cheaper.

>>60078958
As I said, I'm still really new to building PCs. What would you suggest? Thanks.

>>60078890
could switch that 1800x for a 1700 and set a 3.9 clock manually in bios because it's the same cpu with lower clocks, unless you're scared of manual overclocking or something

>>60078778
>>60078688
Also worth noting that 720p to 4k is exactly 3*3 or 9x pixels, thus fine too, making 4k display perfect choice for both 720p and 1080p content.

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>>60078778
That sounds like some broscience-tier stuff. I'm not disputing you, but it sounds so simple and too easy, that I have a hard time believing you.

Although my brother is playing his PS4 on a 4K TV right now and it looks fantastic, so maybe you are right after all.

>>60078992
Good idea. I know how to manually clock, so thank you!

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>>60079003
there's nothing really complicated about it
A pixel is a cube, you can't show a half pixel, so upscaling it would mean 4 pixels to form a bigger cube, or 9 for an even bigger, etc etc

there can't be in betweens

>>60078357
I'd save like 20 bucks if I drop down to the 1500x so I'm not sure if its really worth it considering that the 1600 is far better than the 1500x.

>>60078855
sure but this looks better
gaming 3 has the same audio chip as the x370 board

>>60079078
>A pixel is a cube, you can't show a half pixel
Depends on the definition of the pixel. If you define a pixel to be the smallest individual source of light on a display, then yes, you're correct. If you define a pixel to be a combination of let's say, RGB-leds, then it's a different case:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subpixel_rendering

>>60076195
why pcpartpicker is so shit?

is there such a thing as good and cheap 240-250gb ssd?

>>60079078
Well, I googled it since I'm not the only one that has had the idea.

I'm getting conflicting info, some saying it looks *almost* as good as native 4K, others saying it looks blurry and bad.

Then there seems to be the issue with how the upscaling is handled. Apparently some upscaling techniques are terrible (bilinear) while others are great (Integer) and I'm not sure how I would handle the process itself. Can I choose how it's going to be upscaled? Or will a game/monitor just randomly assign me something and then I'll have to deal with it?

https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/290013-my-experience-gaming-1080p-on-4k-monitor/
Here's one guy saying it works well.

There was another guy on >Reddit, that said it doesn't work well, and then a bunch of other forums and so on.

I would also like to find a good monitor to do this on if I decide to. But a 4K 144hz monitor is going to be next to impossible to find for a reasonable price.

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Do ASUS AM4 motherboards still crap out for no reason?

Is B350 enough if you want mATX or smaller?

>>60079482
it was the high end ones that would do this auto update shit
b350 ones don't do it
yes b350 enough

I see people say the 470/570 is the ideal card for 1080p but is it good enough to run even demanding games like The Witcher 3 at high settings at 1080p?

>>60079518
If you force x8 ~ x16 tesselation through driver settings, which nvidia cards still can't do, yes even an old r9 280 will manage it

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>Live in Swedenland
>The 2GB RX550 literally costs 11 Euro less than the 2GB RX560
>The 4GB RX470 costs 20 Euro less than the 4GB RX480
>The 570 costs 20 Euro more than the 480
>The 570 costs 10 Euro less than the 580
What the shit is up with these prices? Is it AMD that have weird pricing or just my local store? I mean, if you can't put down 10-20 Euro extra to get a huge bump in performance then you probably have bigger issues to worry about than building a new PC, what purpose does the lower priced cards fill when the pricing difference is so small?

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>>60079497
tyvm

>>60072838
your fingers are so cute

so, which rx580 card i should get?
anus strix?
gaygabyte?
sapphire?

>>60078855
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/pT8CVY
looks good

>>60078890
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7pbZKZ
here i improved it

>>60079482
cuz there shit

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>>60079728
why not butchering sapphire too?

>>60079731
but sapphire is shemale already, duh

>>60079728
Since Sapphire fixed their cooling, get it.

>>60077670
>reddit
You have to go back

>>60078206
>$30,000 rig
>air cooled
Your bait is junk

>>60079078
>you can't show a half pixel
Just like you can't do half-A press?

>>60079818
but you can do an half a press

I read the corsair VS series psus are shit but when i go to my country's price comparison website they are the top voted psus with all comments being very positive... The site i'm using has no history of shilling so i guess its just ignorance? Anyone have any experience with Corsair VS series are they actually this bad? I'm trying to get a cheap but reliable psu that won't fuck my shit up i don't care about the 80 plus shit, i don't mind the power bill

>>60079124
You might want to wait for RX560 unless you need new computer now. It should be slightly more powerful for probably same price. Should come out in early may.

Biostar AM4 mITX boards are in stock at Taobao.
>Biostar
yeah I know. They aren't that bad now days besides the stupid racing them.

Pcie 3.0 actually making a difference?

>>60079728
>so, which rx580 card i should get?
For an 8GB for 1440p? XFX GTR-S or PowerColor Red Devil GS seem like the top 2 ones. Nitro+ is good too.
If 1080p, just whichever is cheapest 4GB or get one of the good 570s.

>>60079482
>Do ASUS AM4 motherboards still crap out for no reason?
I haven't heard any reports of that for more than a week.

>>60079596
It's your store, dumbass. AMD isn't meddling with your local shit prices.

>>60079124
1600 overclocked is way more total power than a 1500X, but a 1500X is still more than most people need.
I'd usually go for overspending on CPU with midrange since you're likely to upgrade the GPU before the CPU either way.

>>60079301
>is there such a thing as good and cheap 240-250gb ssd?
The GB/$ sucks until you get to 500GB+. But sometimes you can find ~250GB for around $60-$70.
pcpartpicker sucks ass at displaying the correct prices, though.

>>60079887
>Pcie 3.0 actually making a difference?
when comparing 8x to 8x, yeah slightly.

>>60079970
>It's your store, dumbass. AMD isn't meddling with your local shit prices.
The MSRP is retarded too, dipshit

>>60079970
>when comparing 8x to 8x, yeah slightly.
damn, so i have to get an x370 mobo? Cant see a single one in matx apart from some biostar one that isnt available in my coutry

>>60080013
>damn, so i have to get an x370 mobo?
what? why? stop being retarded pls

>>60080032
because x370 is the only one to support it, b350 and the other dont

>>60080049
Huh..? How does b350 not support PCIe3.0 x8 or x16? Where the fuck are you getting this wrong info from?

>>60079301
I got a 256 ssd for $80. Thats relatively cheap especially for an m.2

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Considering the ASUS Crosshair VI Hero and the Asrock X370 Taichi cost the same in my country (270€), which one would you get?
Or provide other alternatives cheaper than those.

What I value:
>Good VRM for good overclock.
>Ability to automatically downclock and downvolt at idle (the same way Intel CPUs works even when OC). I still don't understand if Pstates are required or not.
>Good support with BIOS updates for possible CPU upgrade a few generations from now.
>I don't need Wi-fi nor a big amount of SATA or USB.

>>60080192
>especially for an m.2
m.2 are generally a few bucks cheaper, dumbass.

>>60080336
If cost is the same, ASUS if they've fixed their BIOS and bricking problems.
I think ASRock IOMMU is better for Linux, though.
A decent B350 is all you need if you're not doing 1.45v+ on a custom loop, though.

>>60080351
You think the ASUS X370 Prime Pro is enough? It's 100€ cheaper than the Taichi and Crosshair.

I don't really need any of the extra features of the top boards. I'm just worried about the ability to downclock/downvolt automatically at idle and compatibility with future processors, as I intend to upgrade a few years from now.

>>60080133
http://edgeup.asus.com/2017/02/22/ryzen-am4-motherboard-guide/

I built my PC a few years ago and it's been working with no problem until yesterday when it started to make the same sound in this vídeo https://youtu.be/E70UqKzH8bY
Does anyone knows what does it mean?

>>60080394
That's not accurate. All the B350 boards I've seen support x8 and/or x16 on the first slot.

My week old computer won't start this morning. It was working fine last night, but now nothing. Everything is plugged in when I open my case. Any idea what to do?

>>60076195
why is ryzen 1400 bad?

>>60080586
it's not bad but it must be avoided, it has quite a lot less cache than the 1500x so it performs quite much less at same clocks

>>60080586
Half the L3 cache and worse stock cooler than a 1500X for only 20 bucks less. That's why it's only recommended if it's heavily discounted.

>>60076195
Is this a good 1080p build for a $1k budget? I mostly play cs:go and roguelikes like Risk of Rain and Nuclear Throne.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/63HLBP

Can i put a 1070 on a 350W power supply ? They're expensive as fuck

>>60080652
it's a good AAA 1080p build so yeah, it will serve you well
If i were you i'd drop the cpu cooler to get an r5 1600 heh that's up to you

>>60080585
Does the computer get any power at all ? Fan spinning for a few seconds or any lights on the motherboard ?

>>60080652
Depends on the monitor.

>>60080652
Way overpriced for what you're getting.

>>60080676
If it has the pin connectors for it, yes almost surely.

>>60080711
>the 1500x is bad meme

>>60080735
Thanks for taking something completely different from what I actually and plainly said there, retard.

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i have that in my old computer, thanks

>>60080682
Nope. Nothing at all. Even tried bypassing the on button with a screwdriver and not even a sound. Is my fucking $120 psu dead or something?

Hey /pcbg/, im a non native cross boarder and this is my first PC. Georgia native.

With this rig, the primary concern is playing modern AAA games. Right now its gonna be 60hz at 1920 x 1080, but one day soon I hope to buy a 144hz monitor. Would like to run

>Doom (2016)
>Halo Wars 2
>Other AAA games that will come out in the near future.
and it 100% must run Overwatch at ultra so I dont look like a shitter at the next Lan with my laptop and mid graphics settings.

Here is the build so far:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3stqyf

Like I said, its my first time. I wanna keep it under $1400 USD. What can I do?

>>60080784
Have you checked if the PSU back switch is on or off? It wouldn't be the first time any of us made that mistake.
Also, check your house differential switches (or whatever they're called in English) just in case they went off just in the computer's room for whatever reason.

>>60079780
not him but
>buying an aio
you have to go back

>>60080682
>>60080784
>>60080843
I just reset my cmos and now my ram leds turned on... but no other power.

This is weird

>>60080835
uh yeah a 1070 would be good enough for OW ultra at 1080 144 hz
also
>sp fans
but then you can't mount to coolers...

>>60080875
Dismantle the computer (CPU included) and reseat everything. Plug only the strictly necessary: 24 and 8 pin power cables to the mobo, only 1 stick of RAM, GPU only if you don't have integrated graphics and only the boot HDD/SSD. Then work your way from there. Also remember that for correctly resetting CMOS, the battery should be out for about 30 seconds and the PSU switched off to make sure it actually resets.

>>60080875
Yeah apparently my ram lights up now if the PSU is on. Pretty sure they should be off if the whole thing isn't running

>>60080909
>LED RAM

>>60080880
>but then you can't mount to coolers...
Sorry anon, i am newb and dont follow.

>>60080923
It was the only 2x8 3200mhz they had and also they're blue

How well can a 1600+580 handle PCSX2 and Cemu?

>>60076195
>>Nvidia GPU + Ryzen has issues in many games atm
Aw man, for real?

>>60080983
what cemu games in particular?

>>60080835
>6700
??
Slower than a 1500X while it costs more.

>no monitor
??
>currently at 1080p 60hz.
On all those games listed, the RX580 gets 100+ FPS maxed out.

I'm a dumbass. After resetting the cmos, I had my power button plugged into the wrong slot

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>>60080983
>How well can a 1600+580 handle PCSX2 and Cemu?
It should run at least 12 instances of PCSX2 fine.
As for Cemu, depends on the game. Cemu is not worthy of being used as a performance benchmark right now.

>>60080985
In DX12, Vulkan, and Gameworks games it seems, yeah.

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/bDnFr7

Build, id get cheaper ram but can you get ram covers anywhere?

>>60080996
Really only interested in Xenoblade.

>>60081051
>DDR4-2133

>>60081013
>6700
>Slower than a 1500X while it costs more.

I really dont know jack about CPUs, whats the best value that doesnt skimp on performance?

>>60081051
>id get cheaper ram but can you get ram covers anywhere?
You mean heatsinks..? yes.

Get a cheaper cooler, at least 2666 RAM, an RX580, and a motherboard that has wifi built into it instead of the x370 prime and that wifi card.

>>60081088
Depends what you mean by "skimp".
An RX580 won't get 144 minimum in Overwatch on ultra, but will get in the 110-140 range.
110-150fps in Doom
Something really high in Halo Wars 2.

Instead of spending $1400 on a 6700 and a 1080 with no monitor, you should instead spend that much to get an AMD build AND a 1440p freesync 144hz monitor. On those games you play, you're still going to get well over 60fps even on 1440p. And really high fps if you overclock and just turn a few settings down.

>>60081088
For the price you were going to pay, the R7 1600 + a good CPU cooler can overclock really god and do much better than a locked and old i7

>>60081054
A old i7 3700 runs it this well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76MogD3iQU4
And most people with i5 on the cemu wiki page say they achieve constant 30 fps, so easy to say that should be the case too
i do have an r7 1700 so i could try to run it myself if you want

>>60081090
>a motherboard that has wifi built
only one in australia is the taichi for $100 more.

I am looking for a cheap simple looking midi tower similar to the Fractal Designs R5 without a window LED and all that shit

>>60080574
I don't think you meant to answer me.

>>60077583
Literally just gaming and general computer usage.

out of curiosity will i need to find drivers for the ethernet port for ASRock AB350 Pro4 ATX AM4 Motherboard?

>>60081541
I'd be surprised if your OS of choice didn't have generic bundled drivers for that. In any case you can either use the CD that comes with the mobo or download all them beforehand with another computer just in case.

>>60081541
you don't need to, but it's safer to have
ftp://europe.asrock.com/Drivers/All/LAN/Realtek_LAN(v10012).zip

How does this build look?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vVyRbj

Looking to do my first build, and spent the last few months researching what parts went into a computer and how they all worked together and I think I'm about ready. Wanted to do a budget build where I bought things over time until I had everything. Couldn't decide which platform to go with, Intel or AMD. So I looked at my last desktop (an emachines from 2007), and found it used AMD, so that's what I decided on. The most demanding game I play at the moment is Forza 6 Apex, so that's what I based my needed specs on. And given it's Ryzen, I figured go with a red theme.

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>>60081744
>Couldn't decide which platform to go with, Intel or AMD. So I looked at my last desktop (an emachines from 2007), and found it used AMD, so that's what I decided on.

>>60081744
- That mobo doesn't have a very good reputation for what I've read around
- Get two sticks of 8GB of RAM instead of a single 16GB stick.
- Maybe try to shop around for a 570 and/or a better quality PSU
- No reason to colour-coordinate stuff if the case doesn't have a window (at least doesn't look like it does)

>>60081088
I put together a general 1440p build
$1300 including windows and the monitor.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RVXp4C

Change the 1600 to a 1500X or 1600X if you don't want to overclock.

>>60081194
>only one in australia is the taichi for $100 more.
Jesus you guys are cucked. We have a $135 X370 with wifi built in. It's a bit lower than the Taichi, another ASRock.

>>60081316
>>60080574 was to >>60080403. Oops.

>>60081744
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vVyRbj
>single stick of RAM.
>MSI GAMING PRO.
>Red Dragon.
>mATX board in full ATX case
Fix those
>PSU that's full of reviews of dumb shit about it like it not working upsidedown, whining, fan being loud, failing after a few days/months
At least it doesn't seem so bad that it's taking out whole systems with it when it fails, but eh.

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I'm on the process of building my PC. My case and motherboard didn't come with standoffs.
I keep seeing online about built-in standoffs and want to ask if this are built-in.
I already lost a motherboard once because I forgot the standoffs when I switched cases, this was around 10 years ago. I don't want to lose another board.

>>60081784
The case has a window.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139043

>>60081890

How's this? Fixed?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JM7gm8

>>60081940
Those are built in stand-offs.

>>60081941
Better. But why not go mATX motherboard and case?
And I'd get the Red Devil RX470. $10 more but it seems to be significantly better than most of the others.

How's the Nitro+ 480 8GB? Is the cooler the same as the Nitro+ 580?

>>60076195
Is this still a decent CPU that'll last me another 2 - 5 years?

>>60082212
mine is better

>>60082004
because mATX cases are shit unless you spend double what I'm willing to.

>>60082212
>>60082252
Fuck, I forgot the link

https://www.alternate.nl/Intel(R)/Core-i5-7400-3-0-GHz-(3-5-GHz-Turbo-Boost)-socket-1151-processor/html/product/1305335?lk=22492

>>60082269
it will hold 2 - 3 years fine, but the r5 1600 is a much safer choice for longevity
reminder that competition is back into the cpu market so don't expect anything like the 2500k situation (still good to this day...) to ever happen again

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>>60082014
No, it is not the same cooler.
I think they're using the old cooler on their RX570. A lot seem to be doing that.

>>60082212
>>60082269
>i5-7400
That'll hard last you up to maybe early 2015.
Get a 1600.

>>60082254
Ones like the Carbide 88r and stuff seem fine to me

>>60082314
Need a minimum of 2 drive bays to add an SD card reader and a blu ray drive. Yes it's outdated. Yes I use them often enough to need them. I didn't include them in the build because that will come later

>>60081137
>>60080835
Please don't play overwatch on ultra. Its worse that way because of pointless effects that distract your eye and should be turned off.
A 580 will be fine, though I would wait for Vega unless you absolutely need a computer now.

This probably isn't the thread for this but I've been wondering.

Can someone with a Ryzen 7 (any would be ok) go to this website http://lichess.org/analysis and make a few moves (like 5 or so). Then press "infite analysis" (in the 3 line menu on the bottom right of the move history) and tell me what the number is next to "knodes/s"? Maybe also tell me how utilized your CPU is through task manager?

With my overclocked i5 3570k I get about 2500/2700 knodes/s.

I think this is CPU dependant because my CPU is always fully utilized when I'm running it.

Thanks.

>>60082401

Rosewill SRM-01 and Carbide 88r both have 1 drive bay so just one external USB SD card reader plugged into the front would be all you need.

>>60081744
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Y2PLBP

slightly improved it

Does HDD manufacturer make a difference? If yes which are better than the others?

>>60082514
Backblaze has good writeups every quarter or so.

https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-benchmark-stats-2016/

>>60082314
>>60082303
What about this?

https://www.alternate.nl/Intel(R)/Core-i5-7400-3-0-GHz-(3-5-GHz-Turbo-Boost)-socket-1151-processor/html/product/1305335?lk=22492

I'm currently budgetting desu, I could get the R5 1600, but I want to remain under €600 and upgrade or completely renew when I come into some more money.

Will the 1600x beat a 3570k in single-core performance?

>>60082589
With the Intel i5, I'd get the 7500 for 10 bucks more. Closer to the Ryzen 1600 in performance but still cheaper.

>>60082646
The i5-7400 comes with the upgrade kit, but I'm sure I could replace it in a month or two. Right now for next month, I really would like to stick under 600 EUR

>>60081619
so guess i can just put the drivers on a flash drive right? the new pc im building wont have an optical drive

>>60082514
>Does HDD manufacturer make a difference
Yes. Noise and failure rates.
I believe HGST are top. WD Black (or Gold on sale) are also good.
I think Hitachi are the best cheap ones reliability wise? But I hear they can be noisy.

>>60082524
Seems okay, but they don't even mention Hitachi there.

>>60082589
The 1500X is 10 euro cheaper on that site. Stop being a tard.

yo what's your opinion on korean monitors? apparently you can get 1440p for cheap and then overclock it to ~120hz+
has anyone tried them out? what models should i be looking at?

>>60082734
HGST = Hitachi Global Storage Technologies. Though now it's owned by Western Digital.

>>60082735
I'd get a Nixeus if considering that. They're basically slightly better of those discount Korean monitors at very good prices for what you get.

Problem with Korean monitors is warranty means shipping back to Korea... if you're lucky you only need to pay to ship to them but not back, but that's a lot of money still.
That's a big problem if you have dead pixels and shit.

>>60082610
yes but its hardly a upgrade if all you do is gaymen, if you do any rendering/encoding it would be a massive upgrade

>>60082837
I'm considering the 1600x for better compiling and archive compression performance, but I also don't want my CSGO fps to drop, which is why I asked about single-core performance.

>>60082985
check ebay, just saw 1600x for 219!

>>60082837
I went from a 3570K to a 1600 and the difference in gaymen was noticeable. Not groundbreaking but really noticeable. Especially since I have a 144Hz Freesync monitor and the minimums are no longer in the shitter since I usually have discord and a browser in the background.

>>60082985
csgo fps wont drop and will be a massive upgrade in everything else

Question. talking budget here. Given that Ryzen just released and prices for AMD's previous processors have dropped significantly in price (and you can still get them new), on a budget built, could you get similar performance to an i5 from say an AMD FX 6300 3.5 GHz?

>>60083065
No

For purely gaming at 1080p 60hz, which is better: R5 1500X or 1600?

So how much is Vega gonna cost? Gonna be various options?

Don't really want to invest in the 500's since rebrands, but might foot out for a 580 anyways of Vega isn't bang-for-buck awesome.

>>60083139
1600 with a overclock

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jfYtBP
Thoughts? I intend to use it mostly for 1080@60 gaming. Also are Win 10 keys from Kinguin legit?

>>60083139
wait for ryzen3 or get 1400 for cheap somewhere.
paired with nice gpu will do more than ok 1080p 60 ultra settings on most AAA that are made for consoles which only top 8 threads and are the major target in the market. so the market caters to such. even if you choose to stream etc you will see a marginal 5-7 fps drop which doesnt matter as much cause most internet in the states sucks balls and your streaming software will drop the output to 30 anyways. Good luck.

>>60083321
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/P4Xp4C
fixed it a bit

>>60083321
I like it. Maybe in the future consider an m.2 but it's not essential.

>>60083397
Even better my dude, you're golden.

As for windows keys, either pay the full price, or just pirate it, don't give those shady sites validation.

>>60082985
You'll still get 300+ fps, dude.

>>60083065
No, even an i5 would be better than a 6300 at 3.5Ghz. But there's no point in getting an i5 when you can get a 1500X or 1600.

>>60083321
Save $40 by getting one of the higher end RX570s like the Red Devil instead. The difference in performance between those at 1080p is not worth the over 25% higher price.
Looks good besides that.

>>60076195
Quick what's the most cost effective 19 pin to PCI card?

Is DDR3 RAM going to get any cheaper lads, or will it keep going up? I feel like an asshole not just putting down an extra 30 when I built this PC.

>>60083751
DDR3 can only get more expensive as it's slowly going out of production, being replaced by DDR4.

Looking to upgrade my video card setup, currently running:
Gigabyte MX-5 Gaming mATX Z97
i5-4690K @ 4.5GHz
8GB Crucial Ballistix DDR3 1600 RAM
1-Sapphire Radeon HD 7870XT(Tahiti)
1-Powercolor Radeon HD 7870 Myst(Tahiti) in Crossfire

Need to upgrade because after using DDU and moving from Crimson 17.4.2 non-WHQL with artifacting and screen tearing while NOT playing games to Crimson 17.4.3 WHQL(non-ReLive) and reset OC settings and stopped tearing/artifacting
Tried to bump the clock, memory and juice slightly and was back to square one, but I found out through Radeon monitoring that the memory was bottoming out when trying to OC, so the Sapphire's memory is on the way out

Was looking at Nitro+ 480 8GB for single card solution, is it worth it?

>>60083861
Get a 4790k and if you're doing 1080p just get an RX570 4GB.

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after few months of saving i can now afford and really want to build my first pc with 600€ budget.
At my work most tasks are pretty much all software based and in school we dont really good get our hands on hardware too so im super excited.
anything to consider with this build? is the gpu too good for the cpu? I did not find such a build (RX580+G4560) on youtube yet.
thanks guys

>>60083922
There's a 5-7% difference in performance between the 4790k and the 4690k, I don't need to upgrade the CPU
As for the 570, why would I buy that when o can spend slightly more money and get a 480/580 8GB? I have a 4K TV that I plan on connecting via HDMI to game on a big screen, and was planning on getting Polaris 10 for 1440p, but I'm wondering specifically about the Nitro+ 480 because I found a sweet package deal for it and 8GB RAM and was wondering if the card was worth it for the deal or if I should just say fuck it and get the 580 8GB?

>>60083982

5-7% in single threaded games, in 64 man conquest the i5 chokes on bf1 and pubg. I know because i have a 4,6 ghz 4690k and a 480, but getting my 4790k next week.

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>>60083982
>5-7%
You're off by a factor of 10, bud.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TRTRbj

How does this look for a first build? Will be using this as 1080p 60 FPS gaming PC, but will use it for misc stuff as well, like watching chinese cartoons and browsing the internet.

>>60084030
>claims I'm wrong
>posts a completely unrelated pic that has no comparison between the CPUs being discussed

What did he mean by this?

>>60083936
What's with you faggots robbing yourself of a free 20% performance increase by only getting a single stick of memory all the time?
This is happening multiple times a day.

And a G4560 is going to bottlenekc the fuck of an RX570 so I'm not sure why you're spending so much more on a RX580 8GB.

>>60084045

The difference is about 15% IPC other than that the results are gonna be the same for haslel

>>60084017
>>60084075

Can't afford to upgrade yet, and people are still charging over $300+ for 4790ks, if I was going to upgrade I'd go Ryzen 1600 for sure, but for now I need to replace my cards because they're outdated and failing

So back to the original question, is it worth saving the money to get a Nitro+ 480 8GB or just say fuck it and get a 580 Nitro+/Red Devil?

>>60084045
Wow. You're retarded as fuck if you don't understand how that benchmark is relevant when coming the 4690k and 4790k.

I won't waste any more time trying to educate you.
I'd rather just see you waste money on a GPU that'll be a stutterfest and bottlenecked so hard on your shit CPU.

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So I think this is more or less my final build for my first build. I just was wondering what would be the best monitors to get for it? I want to have a dual monitor set-up, but not a wide view, I want 2 separate desktops 99% of the time.
Also, any alternative suggestions for a video card if I want to keep it at 1080p 60FPS on triple A and gsg games? I want some real quality but I am trying to keep the build under a grand. This seems to be the best for so far but I am open to suggestions.

>>60079693
What the fuck

>>60084069
lets say I want to upgrade... is it not worse to have 4x4 than 2x8?
also in the reviews I watched the G4560 paired with 480s did not get to 100% usage except for a very few games, with the gpu being the bottleneck most of the times

>>60084104
Looks pretty solid though Gigabyte RX400 cards were pretty sucky I thought.

>>60084096
I understand what you're trying to say, but as I posted >>60084090 I can't afford to upgrade my CPU/board and need to focus on making my toaster last a bit longer with a new video card

I'm currently waiting for r3 to be released because I don't want to be forced to use Windows 10, problem is I don't know if Ryzen will work with Windows 7. Am I fucked?

>>60084168
2x8>4x4>1x16

>also in the reviews I watched the G4560 paired with 480s did not get to 100% usage except for a very few games, with the gpu being the bottleneck most of the times
That's weird. I've not seen teh saem at all. Many games using 100% of a G4560 while the RX480 has tons of headroom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcdmeGOsnss
BF1, GTAV, Hitman, Assassin's creed, FO4, Withcer 3, Tomb Raider. Virtually every AAA game from the last 4 years and the G4560 is the bottleneck.
It's good enough if you don't mind dropping under 60fps, but it's absolutely goign to be a bottleneck.

>>60084220
It's like a $150-$200 difference after you sell the 4690k for $200

>>60084302
Can we focus on the graphics card? I'm not interested in upgrading the CPU yet

>>60084302
Or sorry, after you sell the 4690k for $125-$150ish.

>>60084327
Get an RX570 4GB.

>>60084342
I'll be playing on a 4k TV at 1440p, 570 4GB is a no go
Looking at Nitro+ 480 8GB, worth it?

>>60084302
That is actually one of the videos I watched and I only found Battlefield 1 to get it to 100.
Anyways remember I have a limited budget and dont know where to put the money elsewhere to get the absolute bang/buck perfomance

>>60080013

X300 is the high end matx/itx board chipset.

>>60084368
For 1440p, get the RX580 8GB. Either the Red Devil Golden Sample, or the GTR-S.

>>60084434
Maybe you need to watch it again. In the vast majority of games tested there, the G4560 was clearly bottlenecking.

You should get a cheaper GPU and a better CPU. Or just plain get a cheaper GPU, stick with the G4560, and save money.

>>60084484
What makes the golden sample better than the regular Red Devil? They both have the upgraded cooler and VRMs, why pay $20 more?

>>60084278
You're fucked, as far as I know all modern processors force yoiu to use win10

>>60084185
I just pulled that card from another build I saw, I am certainly not married to it. What should I check out instead?

>>60084508
Better binned dies. PCB is the same. Pretty much gauranteed to hit 1500MHz combined with a 10% memory overclock as well, from what I've seen.
Also has a seriously beefy cooler. One of the quietest ones on top of being one of the highest clocking if not the highest.

GTR-S might be better, but it's $15 more and not a single one was sent to reviewers.

>>60084484
You are right that the fps is lower on the g4560, but the pricepoints of the cheaper graphics cards are just not good enough performance for the cards imo, and used 400s are hard af to get now, also I think in about 6 months or so when I upgrade the ram and cpu for the first time I would appreciate it together with the rx 580

>>60084578
Get one of the higher end $180ish RX570s 4GB cards.

>>60084625
RX580 8GB is not worth the extra cost for 1080p.
Usually only like 3-13% higher performance than the RX570 but at 30-50% more money.
In 1440p the RX580 justifies its cost a heck of a lot more, but at 1080p nothing uses that much VRAM or the extra CUs.

>>60080336

Msi gaming pro carbon.

Why does /pcbg/ hate aios? Theyre usually quieter and more effective. And aesthetics are subjective

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>>60084680
>RX 570 but at 30-50% more money
actually 30% from a 4gb 470 to a 8gb rx 580
pic related .... :(
But maybe I will go down to a 570

>>60084691

They aren't quieter. Because most of them are asetek garbage pumps I swapped a Phanteks PH-TC14PE for a Corsair H80i and not only were my temperatures significantly worse, but the fan was loud as shit and I could hear the pump clicking ever so faintly. The Phanteks was dead quiet, I didn't even hear the fans rushing air until I opened the case.

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good stuff

>>60084691
>Theyre usually quieter
Just one fan is way quieter than a fan (or two) AND a pump. Also, your run-of-the-mill Asetek AIO that most brands build their shit on will have a horrible clicking noise from the pump and degraded performance after just a year and a half of use.

>>60084844

Where did that break off from?

>>60084765
If it's only 15% more for an RX580 8GB than an RX570 4GB in your country, then okay get the RX580.
I wouldn't get the Red Dragon, though. Dunno if they improved them, but the RX400 series Red Dragons sucked. The Red Devils are great, though.

>>60084691
We should use this as a test for who to sterilize so they can't breed.
>Are AIOs quieter?
Anyone who answers affirmative gets their nuts snipped.

>>60084862
I tried to fasten a hdd decoupler

I ruined one of the threads with a wrong screw (big threading), then tried the proper screw with force :^) (small threading, pic)

So I have a 980 Ti, but it's being bottlenecked by my current CPU (an old AMD APU) is this a good build to transfer it to? I also plan on getting a 1440p monitor.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GBzRbj

>>60084090

Im selling my 4690k for 140€ and getting a 4790k for 279$ us (american family)

>>60084865
last question before i buy the rig with an 580 msi armor... does the 580 support downsampling? Id take lower fps for that as im used to console standards anyway

Can someone from /pcbg/ please help me.

I'm having a problem when building my pc, currently I'm testing the mobo, but the monitor won't get any signal.

Everything seems to be working fine, the CPU is installed corretly, the cables from the PSU are connected in the right slots(mobo power and CPU power) and the mobo was handled correctly.

I'm thinking the problem is with the RAM, the one I bought is this: G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3200MHz
and the mobo is this:GA-AB350M-Gaming 3

In the memory support in the mobo site it says Support for DDR4 3200(O.C.)/2933(O.C.)/2667*/2400/2133 MHz memory modules

So I'm guessing I need to do something whit the BIOS before trying to boot with a 3200MHz RAM, can someone shed some light in this for me, It would be greatly appreciated.

>>60084978
Get a 0.5-1.1TB SATA SSD instead of NVMe and there are better value and better looking coolers out there. Looks solid otherwise.

>does the 580 support downsampling
I thought this was added for all GCN GPUs since like 2012, but I've never tried it on mine. It's called VSR.

>>60085089
It should automatically downclock the RAM to 2133 to start with and get you in the BIOS.
Are you not getting any error codes or anything?

>>60085027
Yep, just activate "Virtual Super Resolution" in the AMD drivers and you'll be able to select higher resolutions than whatever's native for your games while the GPU takes care of the scaling.

>>60085122
>Are you not getting any error codes or anything?
No, the screen simply doesn't show

>>60085140
Screen not showing has nothing to do with error codes. Did you expect error codes on the screen? Read your manual about them.

>>60085167
Do you mean error code with a system speaker?
The manual don't show anything of the sorts

>>60085089

>he didn't check the QVL

That said >>60085122 is right - in theory the board will just keep failing ram training until it boots at 2133mhz. This is of course assuming you have it installed in the correct slots.

>>60085167

This is why I love boards that have a display for error codes - makes troubleshooting so much easier (that along with easy flashing options).

Newegg has an RX480 8GB for $190. It's Gigabyte, but meh, might still be better than an RX570 4GB.

I'd generally only buy a Gaming X, GTR, or ROG Strix at that price or slightly more, myself.

>>60076195

Can you help me anons, from all the reviews I have watched and read, 1400 is somewhere between 7400-7500 but all of you guys seem to hate it.

Even against 1500x, it's only 5-10% slower clock for clock. So, why shouldn't I buy the CPU that is 20% cheaper but offers only 10% at worst performance compared to 1500x?

>>60085525

'Cuz its not a 1600.

>>60085525
We hate the 7400 and 7500, too, anon.
I think the 1400 just isn't worth the $170. Nor are the 7400 and 7500 worth the $180-$195 or whatever.

> it's only 5-10% slower clock for clock
Yes exactly. for 10% more money you get the 1500x that's up to 10% faster clock-for-clock thanks to the higher cache AND it comes with a better cooler and is higher binned.

That's why it says "1400 if discounted".
You can get it for $152 from ebay. The 1500X for $173. Might be worth getting then but I'd still get the 1500X there.

>why shouldn't I buy the CPU that is 20% cheaper
Because it's not 20% cheaper.. it's 10%. Or 15% off that ebay seller (which I'm pretty sure doesn't offer AMD warranty).
$170 MSRP vs $190 is not 20%.

>>60084885
Maybe its just anecdotal. My nzxt is a lot quieter than my fan cooler was

>>60085700
Your fan cooler just sucked. One like the C1 makes no audible noise even with the side panel off until it's near 100% load.

>>60085613
$138 R5 1400, actually.
$155 1500X
$205 1600X
$305 1700X

PSHOPSAVE15 at checkout off ebay for the next 5 hours on those refurbforless seller deals. Yes, they're new despite that store name.

>>60085139
thanks for the help dude, i went for the red dragon now as the last msi sold out but its not too bad anyway

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What's a good HDD to pair up with a 525 GB SSD? I kinda wanna go all out on HDD storage since I've always had issues filling space up on them, but then again I've never had a >1TB HDD before.

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bwDhJV

Honestly, after all this time... I think I've finally finalized it. Just 2 questions.

1. The MOBO will work right? No issues? 3200 Mhz ram will work? (Any better alternatives?)

2. The fan might be overkill, I could go with a cheaper / stock one and my computer is loud then maybe upgrade? Seems like an expensive upgrade for no reason?

Trying to create a solid gaming / work station build. What do you guys think?

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>>60086162

>3200 Mhz ram will work?

Does anybody fucking check the QVL anymore?

>2. The fan might be overkill

At stock clocks it is. Overclocked it will provide similar temps to pic related depending on ambient.

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>>60083936
>be quiet! PSU

>>60086230
48C at 1.33V and 901RPM? That's complete overkill, yes.

I really don't recommend a 220W TDP cooler like the D15 for Ryzen. I recommend people use something in the 140-180 range. Waste of money and it's silly big.

Or if you want something that big, a Le Grande Macho is cheaper and 140W passive.

>>60077255
>$200 HTPC
Yes
>mITX
No

>>60077255
>>60086454
Yes if you got that A4 that was on sale for $19
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/qsLQYr
Or if you get a cheaper case you can do it with a G4560.

Hey /g/ I built this computer a while ago with an AMD Phenom II X4 965 and a gtx 760, should I just buy an fx series processor since my motherboard/ram will still support that and hold off on a full upgrade? I play some videogames and don't mind 1080p/low but the phenom has started lagging even in those.

>>60086540

Most phenom capable boards aren't man enough for most of the fx chips given the power draw.

>>60086636
http://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/GA-78LMT-S2P-rev-5x#support-cpu
My motherboard will support most of them, I'm just not sure which to go for and how long it will run all right for depending on what I get.

So, what's a good site to check for benchmarks on processors? I compared a i5 7500 to a Ryzen 1400 and the difference in performance (according to UserBenchmark) is just 4%, favoring Intel, but Ryzen has better workstation performance.

All of this leaves me in doubt, because the cheapest AM4 motherboard is around $110, so I don't see much price reduction compared to Intel.

I don't aim for a budget PC, I rather aim for something for the regular gaming load and sometimes mid to heavy loads with CAD programs and maybe occasional streaming.

So far I had this list, but as I said, now I'm unsure if I should reconsider giving AMD a chance.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GnWrf8

>>60086540
... doesn't the GTX 760 bottleneck that X4 965 as it is? That's such a weak GPU.

But yeah, since your board supports it if you can get an FX processor on sale for cheap (FX-8300 for $90 seems okay-ish), that's a decent upgrade but it's still going to be weaker than an i5 let alone an R5 in games.

>>60086717
UserBenchmark is fucking garbage.
Best thing is youtube videos, really. You can see things side by side with the CPU/GPU utilization listed. And you'll see overclocked tests there, too.

>>60086944
I thought that the gtx 760 is better than the phenom, is there somewhere I can check what's bottlenecking what?

Should I get Ryzen 5 1600 if I plan on gaming/using the Web as usual, without using it as a workstation? Or should I go for something else?

What's your idle/light browsing temp /g/?

>>60087160
Pretty much what I use it for, works great. Even Planetside 2, which is unoptimized af, runs solid enough. I havent even got around to overclocking desu

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>>60087130
> gtx 760
Yes. View your CPU and GPU utilization while playing a game.

>Should I get Ryzen 5 1600 if I plan on gaming/using the Web as usual, without using it as a workstation? Or should I go for something else?
Wouldn't hurt. It's so cheap and shit it's just sort of "why not". 6c/12t for less than a 7600k.
1500X is cheaper though, if you really think you don't need more. You could always upgrade to the 3600 or 4600 or whatever later.

More games than people think really do make use of those 6 cores. Like pretty much any ubisoft game like R6Siege, Assassin's Creed, etc. Exception is just Far Cry Primal.

>>60087354
I see.. I'll probably get it then. What's your GFX card and monitor, if you don't mind me asking?

>>60087495
Rx480 and some shitty 24 inch 1080p

>>60087612
Thanks! Mine's 70hz so it'll be enough, or at least I hope it will

Which AB350 Mother board should I choose?
I read that the Gigabyte one were the best especially with that dual bios in case of brick, is that true?

>tfw Ryzen 1500X hasn't arrived yet to your shitty 2nd world country
Well, fuck. Should I wait for it to arrive or is the 1600 a better alternative? I checked a page and the 1600 is roughly $240 freedombux, and the 1400 is around $190.

>>60087900
2 more cores and twice the cache is worth the 25% more money.

>>60088004
Sounds great, I'm sold then. Even if I don't use them, two extra cores and four extra threads are nice to have, but...
Is an air cooler fine for it or do I have to go for water? I was thinking of shoving in the all-famous Hyper 212 Evo in.

>PCPP server failed as I was about to finish a part list

>>60088053
Use the stock cooler then decide if you want to change it.

>>60088053
The bundled Spire cooler is good enough even for a mild overclock (3.7, maybe 3.8 if you don't need to crank the voltages up too much on your chip) so you can postpone the aftermarket cooler purchase.

>>60088053
>Pcpp server failed as I was about to finish a part list
Oh, so it's not just me.

NEW THREAD

>>60088382
>>60088382
>>60088382

Has anyone on here used the new egg financing?

>>60088390
>buying PC parts on credit
"no"

>>60088390
My mom got a $2000 TV with it, stopped paying after a few months, and they didn't try going after her for it at all. lol.

so I'm considering 1060 vs 570, around 80 bucks difference in AUD

I'm buying a new PC just to play Tekken 7, I also play Dota, CSGo and Overwatch on 1080p 60hz, can someone shed some light?

>>60088488
Uhhh the 570 is going to play Dota and Overwatch like 100+ fps and CSGO like 300+ fps.
So why spend more money? Did you look at benchmarks AT ALL?

>>60088528
tekken's recommended is 1070 though and i'm building around that

>>60088604
1060* my bad

>>60087807
I got the amx asrock pro4 lad, solid so far.