/pcbg/ - PC Building General

how do i know which ram works best with my motherboard?

>>59952988
Check the manufacuter's website.

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Anyone have any suggestions for a cube-sized case for a mATX mobo like pic related? Thinking of getting it for my first build.

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>>59953163
Or this one, just for reference.

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Is there a way I could improve this without raising the cost, or even better- lowering it?

I asked for advice here a couple weeks ago, and while checking on my list last week I realised that the build wasn't compatible at all, so I had to change a few parts. I decided to go all out and get the i7-7700k, too. Still not sure if the build is any good, and I'd hate to order everything just to find out that the parts don't fit together or finding out that I had better options.

>>59952921
>Wait for RX 580 in a few days
Update the OP. They are out already and 50€ more expensive and have higher power consumption than the RX 480 without any performance advantage.

>>59953228
No thread up so I panicked and copied the OP from the previous. Next guy can make those changes.

>>59953201
Drop the K for the CPU and either get a Ryzen or an i5. Get an SSD with the money you saved and get higher frequency RAM if you can. I would suggest a modular PSU as well.

>>59952921
Posted already but some more feedback does not hurt I guess

>germoney
>decent "allrounder"
>some gaming (1080p)
>programming
>surfing
>budget around 800 euros, want to push it lower if possible
>should last for 7-8 years like my current prebuilt pc

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/C33TRG

I'm aware that amd released the rx580 today. Maybe the prices for the rx 480 will drop enough to buy that one instead.

>>59953228
>more expensive
Really? RX580 8GB is actually slighty cheaper than RX480 8GB. At least in my country.

>>59952921
>ps in the bottom
Thermally suboptimal and risky for several reasons (eg.: water in the floor, dust, etc)

okay the rx 580 and 570 are released. If I'm not interested in 1440p gaming should I even consider the 580? The 570 seems to be rather cheap at 199 euros. I'm still waiting for comparisons between the rx4xx and rx5xx series.

>>59953314
>Drop the K for the CPU and either get a Ryzen or an i5

I was told this before, too, but wouldn't the i7-7700k be better in the long run? I'm not planning on changing anything for a few(5+) years, so I'd like my CPU to last and be good for a while.
Also Ryzen seems to be meant more for workstation computers, and I'm not sure if that's what I'll need/ use enough to actually appreciate it.

Noted on the last points, although I'm not quite sure where I can check the RAM frequency.

Thanks for the help!

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Bleh im stuck between waiting for am4 mITX board and going the z170 route. what do?

Yes thats an mATX ziptied to chassis. Yes its safe, i have white plastic film behind it so it doesnt sudoku itself.

>>59953742
You should be fine with a mid-tier Intel or Ryzen platform in that case, though you would be safer with getting an 8-core 1600 or 1600X since more cores will last you longer. Ryzen CPUs do fine on gaming as well and I haven't seen any large problems being reported in regards to Ryzen and gaming (besides the RAM OCing issues)

>>59952921
Why do people build SLI systems with motherboards which don't allow even a single slot between the cards for breathing room? The top card gets hot anyway, just having some room is essentially a significant and free cooling upgrade, without extra ventilation and noise at all.

What makes Ryzen different from the old 6 core and 8 core chips from before? Why didn't we see a rise in 8c games when the affordable chips were available?

>>59953742
>I'm not planning on changing anything for a few(5+) years
>goes for 4 cores

Is Freesync/Gsync worth the premium? I'm looking to upgrade to a 144hz monitor from an 11 year old 1080@60 1080p panel and don't know how worthwhile it is.

If I pick up a 1080p/1440p 144hz monitor without it, will I notice in AAA games?

What brands of liquid coolers should I look for/avoid?

I'm on a tight budget and can't afford a rx470. Is it really not worth buying something below that? Would an integrated graphics card run a game like dota 2 for example?

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>>59952921
>That sag
How fucking heavy are those GPUs?

>>59953585
Depends on the price. If a RX470/570 is like 199€ and a RX480/570 like 229€ both are good options. The RX480/580 usually comes with a better cooler, too, so value is roughly the same.
Whatever you do, stay away from RX580 cards that need more than 1x8pin, they have the same power draw as a 1080 which is just stupid.
Also 8GB is mostly useless for you, don't buy unless it's a XFX RX480 GTR on sale, that card is awesome.

Damn, the AMD ryzen bundle deal is over at microcenter, might as well just buy a cheap 4790K for my Z97 mobo.

>>59953163
get a fractal design node 804. way better case.

>>59954024
>>59953909
Unfortunately I don't know a thing about cores or what they do/if they're all that important.

I looked up the differences here-
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-7700K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-1700/3647vs3917

and so far the only thing that stood out to me was that the 8 cores are only beneficial to people who have a lot of programs open at the same time, correct me if I'm wrong, of course.

I'm seriously considering getting Ryzen (still undecided on which one), but so far the only good thing about it is the core and thread numbers and that it has a much faster multi-core speed. And it's not like the price is cheaper

Sorry if I seem stubborn on getting the i7-7700k, it's just that I've seen the reviews and they all seem positive so it's hard to find any faults with it.

Again- thanks for the feedback!

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>>59952921
>>Vega comes in May

https://youtu.be/LE4gibDSMFw

waiting for vega master race

>>59954577
>AMD being this tight lipped about it
So it's either going to kill everything or be a complete flop that can't compete with Nvidia's top lineup?

>>59954548
More games will use more cores in the future. Quad core CPUs are going the way of the dino. Trust me, if you buy a Ryzen 6-core CPU you won't regret it, especially since you plan on keeping your CPU for a while.

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>>59954382
>no microcenter within 200 miles of where you live
southern texas is suffering

Wait for Vega or get two games with my 1080?

https://m.newegg.com/products/N82E16814126116

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RXwR6X

Doing the whole shebang as this is a first build

if i want to stick with windows 7 in a gaymen build, wouldnt a 1060 be better than a 480 since the 1060 is better with dx11?

>>59954643
580 bro

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Go ahead and roast me as much as possible.

Some notes:
>It's for work in software development + some VM + gaming.
>For the GPU I'm gonna wait for Vega to make a choice. For now my 680 SLI will have to do it.
>I'm set on the 1600X because I want to OC it as high as possible as single-threaded performance is still important for me and I planned on getting a cooler anyway.
>Please focus criticism on the mobo and RAM. I need sugestions on that front. Also, is this PSU good enough?

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>>59954632
4c/4t/10 for making me respond.

>>59954730
Not buying a ryzen until I know that I won't get random games that become unplayable for no reason other than my CPU being an AMD one

>>59954774
you what

>>59954716
For better OC get a better cooler, something from Noctua for example.
Check the QVL and forums for RAM compatibility.
No idea if 550W is enough for 680 SLI, generally 550-650W is fine for single GPU.

When will

>Vega
>Skylake-X / Kaby Lake-X
>OLED FreeSync/Gsync monitors

come out?

ty

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>>59954716
>$250 500GB SSD
Am I missing something?

>>59954806
http://steamcommunity.com/app/460790/discussions/0/135514151379130536/

>>59954632
You dun goofed.
>>59954774
What the fuck are you talking about?
There is no reason to get an i5 right now, the R5 is better in 90% of all tasks.

>>59954807
I don't plan on doing extreme overclocks. If I can reach 4.0Ghz I'll be happy. Is Ryzen really that temp limited? I've heard it's voltage limited.

Forget the 680 SLI. I'll be using a 750W PSU I have here for now.

QVL show almost no 3200Mhz RAM compatibility. I really hope this situation improves.

>>59954824
What's wrong with the 960 EVO? What's your suggestion? M.2 specifically.

>>59954829
>http://steamcommunity.com/app/460790/discussions/0/135514151379130536/
Holy shit you are a dumbass.
It's an optimization problem, actually read the comments on the discussion next time idiot.
Also you are breaking global rule #2, enjoy your ban.

>>59954661
wouldnt a 1060 still be better in dx11?

>>59953499
Where the fuck do you keep your tower to worry about that shit

>>59954536
I don't know if its just me, but fractal design cases looks really cheap. I just don't like the way they look.

>>59954829
I like how you failed to acknowledge that is neither an AMD or Intel based issue.

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>>59954632
>>59954774
>>59954829

>>59954899
Fractal Design is pretty cheap. I think cube cases are pretty retarded unless you're going super small and still want a (short) full height video card. Have you seen the Silverstone S13?

What is the best B350 mobo on the market to get right now?

>>59954834
>>59954864
>>59954997
Alright now that I know that I should look through the entire thing before I type on a keyboard, are developers going to optimize for these extra cores or is it just (((higher is better)))?

>>59955021
I'm just getting an mATX board and a I figured I should getting a case of equal size.

>>59955025
the one that fits your budget and needs

What's the TLDR on these AMD 500 cards?

>>59953499
>Thermally suboptimal
You spelled 'negligible' wrong
>water on the floor
cases with bottom PSUs are usually elevated to let air in
>dust
filters

>>59954880
580 is overall better than 1060 (gta 5 is the only exception by few %)

>>59954857
don't listen to him, cryorig h7 is fine for oc (again so is amd's stock cooler). also 4.0ghz seems to be max oc for ryzen so i wouldn't be surprised if you hit only 3.8.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YKWNjc

Any suggestions to get it under $2000?

>>59955053
i have no idea what the differences are between the different ones though

>>59954632
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZrT6d6

I tried

Reccomend me an RX 480 model that isn't the XFX GTR since its almost $300 on Newegg right now.

>>59955119
>4.0ghz seems to be max oc for ryzen so i wouldn't be surprised if you hit only 3.8

But the 1600X reaches 4.0Ghz on stock settings on single-threaded operations. Shouldn't be too hard to make it reach 4.0Ghz 24/7 with some additional voltage, right?
Any 1600X owners here?

>>59955153
Was there anything wrong with the liquid cooler?

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Dear /pcbg/.

I kinda sked befor about advices about cpu cooling and how to improve it, since I felt it dont work as efficient in my case as during reviews.

I also asked for ideas about dealing with very hot GPU, RX480 from Sapphire. You guys suggested me to get additional fan installed under it.

My question is - should it rather blow air inside the case (to pump cool air from under the case directly at GPU fans) or should it rather pump hot air from inside the case to outside (to remove air that might get warmer from GPU and nearby HDDs).

Reposting picture of how case looks inside.

Thanks for replies.

>>59954857
Nothing's wrong with it, but isn't the 850 M.2 going for $80-90 cheaper?

>>59955235
110€ cheaper in my country.
But isn't the M.2 considerably faster?

>>59954577
>Rebellion
Against what, mediocre computer hardware and lack of software drivers?

>>59955048
Cooler-Master you posted is probably one of the smallest you could easily get, volume wise. Think practically, how the levels of compactness benefit you. Traditional tall & thin is most useful for most people, cube is a waste of space for components and desk, for the most part.

>>59954716
550w is not going to cut it if you're planning on doing that greentext shit with that computer. Up to like 650w or even 700w since you're trying to do SLI and OC.

>>59955316
Forget the SLI. I shouldn't have put that there.

>>59955234
bottom fans are usually intake since heat rises which would make it harder to blow out the bottom. maybe cleaning up cables could help too. not sure about the CPU if you already have an aftermarket cooler unless you went for the AIO meme.

>>59955153
Waste of money in those speakers. Class-T amp and cheap bookshelves are beyond comparison.

Which RX 580 are OK to get, now that the cards are out? Thinking the
>GIGABYTE Radeon RX 580 DirectX 12 GV-RX580GAMING-8GD 8GB

>>59955330
Still should up the power supply anyways, 550w isn't really recommended for anything above low-range anyways because you need to be accounting for future additions and overhead. Get the 650w.

>>59955388
Dully noted. I was suspecting that too. Thanks for the input.

>>59955185
liquid cooling is a meme

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Hey Guys,

I'm kind of new to the PC thing, I'm majorly a console gamer but I've decided to move over to the PC to play Overwatch because I don't like it on console.

Anyway, I want to buy a sort of high end ish PC so I can get lots of frames on overclock because I plan to overclock my monitor to 100Hz for more fluid gameplay

What do you guys think of this PC?

I've also never built a PC before and will be following youtube tutorials but any tips you guys got for me?

>>59955234
Rewire your shit so the excess cords go in the back, and then fuck with the GPU settings to get the temps down

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mZgksJ

Need some help with this. R5 1600s are out of stock on Newegg right now, so replacing it with a 1500X for the time being. Is the graphics card ok though?

>>59955234
What case is that? Do you like it?

>>59955424
I'll be going down the list for this one:
>Case
Hah
>Cooler
Hah
460
Hahhhhhhh
>H110M for an i7
HAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHHAHA
>6950X
HOHHHHHHHHH
>1TB instead of 2TB
WOZZA
>Only 4GB and only 1x4GB at that
HOHOHOHHHHHHHH
>1500w
>HAHAHA OH WOW

Add a hundred boxes of poptarts and we can start using this as quality bait

>>59955420
Be more specific, is it just not worth the extra premium you pay for not enough of an upgrade, pain to install, break easily, what?

>>59955424
Is this a joke?

>>59955436
isn't the 580 kind of a housefire?

>>59955481
What?
>>59955502
No, from what I've heard this should run any games perfectly with no problems

so what are the hardware problems with the ryzen chips? i dont like buying hardware when they have just released.

>>59955334
>>59955434

>AIO meme

Whats that?

>Rewire your shit so the excess cords go in the back
>maybe cleaning up cables could help too

Tried that but I dont have space at the right side of case, behind mobo, anymore. When I tried to push them more, I couldnt close the case. The fact that SSD cable pretty much have to stay like this doesnt help.

>>59955452

Corsair 200R. Cant say too much since this is my first case thats not generic "office desktop" case, aka first case to have so many openings and places to mount additional fans. And most expensive I bought.

>>59955515
Like all of them? Should I just get a 570 instead?

>>59953938
Good IPC and general performance for the price

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>>59955523

Let's say we're in an alternate reality where I have enough money for a kind of budget build, and I'm playing at 1600x900, I also want the 1500X or the 1600, will a 1050ti be enough for 60 fps ultra settings on almost all games?

>>59955424
please be troll

>>59955523
Dude 6950K is fucking $2339

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>>59955424

>>59952921
So many 580s

Anyone have a recommendation on which one to get?

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>>59955424
Holy fuck guise we have a new retard confirmed

>>59955681
whichever one you want, they're likely all going to clock similarly
if you really want to do your research you're basically looking for if there's any standouts on noise/thermals, alongside who you trust the most for RMAs/customer support

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>>59955424
>knows how to overclock his monitor
>doesnt know how to pick a power supply

>>59955424
>not even the proper socket
Please buy it, I want to read when you complain that you broke a $2000 cpu when trying to install it

>>59955424
>$160 RX 460
you dedicated a lot of effort to this shitpost

>>59952921
why is g4560 considered a worthwhile CPU when it cant handle any worthwhile graphics card?

>>59955617
>G4560 for budget builds (<$500) unless G4620/i3-6100 is heavily discounted

>>59955655
Yeah but the CPU is the most important bit for gaming thats why I went all out on it, the rest of the components dont have much of a factor, maybe the graphics card but Overwatch dosent have that much graphics and the one I chose is decent enough to make the graphics look good because games dont have high enough graphics to utilize bigger cards.

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>>59955773
>the CPU is the most important part for gaming

>>59955755
I'm only asking about the gpu, in case you hadn't noticed, I won't replace my shitty dual core for another shitty dual core

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>>59955424
>>59955773
GET THE FUCK OUT REEEEEEEE. YOU FUCKING RETARD, IM CRINGING SO HARD

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Check out muh "Not a coin wasted" all in 1000$ 1080p gay ming PC
>too lazy to update with 580
>>59955093
A slightly better 480
OC above 1400mhz
Plays 1440p on high or semi ultra (anybody with half a brain can set shadows to medium and rock it)

How does overclocked 1500x+rx 580 sound?

>>59955829
get the 1600 and overclock it, you will get better performance even in games

>>59955527
AIOs are closed loop water coolers.

>>59955829
>1500x
Make it 1600 and it sounds like cheap and reliable 1080p gaming on ultra and 1440p gaming on high

Someone screenshot this shit please

>>59955844
Not that anon, but 1600s are out of stock

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bzMR6X
r8

>>59955871
I'm not even near the US, here where I am, all ryzen cpus are in stock since launch

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I'm going full AMD. Rate!

>>59955874
fixed for you

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zvnc7h

>>59955891
Get a b350 mobo and you should be fine

>>59955944
X370 has better sound and network controller, plus I think it's better for oc(?). So there's literally no point going B350, especially since I'm not over 1000 euro limit anyway.

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>>59955481 >>59955502 >>59955622 >>59955672 >>59955697 >>59955727 >>59955738 >>59955743 >>59955810

>responding to bait this poor

>>59955965
x370 boards require a better cooling solution.

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>>59955853

Oh, okay. Cooler I use is NH-U12S however.

It was just that I worried that the highest temperature it reached was 65C during normal load (games and such, I didnt test it with real load like few data fitting software utilizing genetic algorithms) while reviewers stated that at stock frequency and voltages (mobo is set to automatic and apply 1,3V) it was 55C at 100% load. However, they also tested it with locked max RPM for cooler fans and I leave it at automatic and the highest it went was 1200 RPM.

>>59956006
Huh? What do you mean?

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Is there literally any reason to get an AIO cooler other than aesthetics?

Try something like this. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6jptbj

It should suit your needs!

>>59955810
>>59955784
>>59955743
>>59955424
>>59955727

Instead of being such dicks can you give me some constructive criticism , according to my information this PC should do what I want it for just fine

>>59956035
>Is there literally any reason to get an AIO cooler other than aesthetics?
Is there literally any reason to live other than aesthetics?

>>59955965
>X370 has better sound and network controller, plus I think it's better for oc(?
Slap a Xonar DG in the PCI slot if you actually care about sound.
Network controllers are all same shit
It's not one bit better for OC, it's only feature is utilizing that whooping 100mhz turbo feature on X chips.

It would be smart to get a cheaper board and if you care so much then get a 1600X you can expect a little bit more overclock from it because X chips are a better bin. And forget about that automatic tuning feature it's just stupid.

>>59956061
Why are you asking /g/ if you have such good information already?

>>59956027
AMD has stated that their X370 mobos need more than a stock cooler to run at optimal temps.

>>59955424
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6jptbj

Try something like this maybe?

>>59955965

yeah but that cheap x370 from ASRock has very shitty memory OC. did you read that? even the b350 board from ASRock can OC ram to 3200, while that one can only do it to 2933 with force.

also guys i didnt buy the r9 fury when it was $250. is the rx580 just as good, or do i kms?

>>59955844
1600 or 1600x for a budget?

>>59956035
If you're too lazy or don't have the room to maintain a water cooling kit then yes. You know they aren't bad it's just that if you're gonna rice with water cooling then you'd get better results with putting one together yourself.

>>59956035
Not really.
Maybe extreme OC for 7700K, but it's going to be hot either way because the chip is so tiny it has little to conduct heat.

>>59956094
1600

>>59956084
>usb WiFi.
U wot.
Those fuckers overheat and freeze.
There's a reason pci wifi are five times the size.

>>59956094
>1600 - a little bit cheaper and comes with a shitty cooler. Cons you get like 100-200 mhz less OC clocks
>1600x - a bit more expensive, you also have to buy a cooler. Pros - you get a bit more clocks.

Personally i would go with X because i would want a good quiet cooler and 50$ dont really matter consider I'd be going to use it for like 5 years.

It's better to get a good cooler that to listen to that stock cooler roar for 5 years.

>>59956061
See >>59956076 and/or >>>/g/sqt/. Tel them we sent you

>>59955159
Don't listen to >>59955119 as they do not know what they're talking about and are proliferation misinformation. The 1600X doesn't not come with a stock cooler.

>>59956061
D E D I C A T E D
S H I T P O S T I N G

>>59956035
Not when the reeven justice exists,,:
https://m.hardocp.com/article/2016/07/18/reeven_justice_120mm_cpu_air_cooler_review/4

Some reviews have found it matching or even beating some AIOs

Is this a good build?: https://es.pcpartpicker.com/list/j4sqgL

Ryzen 5 prices in Spain are all gouged up, the R5 1500x costs 215€ and 1600 non X is 250€, and the B350 MOBOS are at 110€ and beyond.

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>>59952921
Probably going to purchase today.

How does this look?

For gaming at 60fps on 1080p.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sqmY7h

>>59956292
>Intel Core i5-7400 3.0GHz Quad-Core Processor

THIS IS SHIT REALLY

>>59956330
Sweet.

>>59956234
>The 1600X doesn't not come with a stock cooler
>The 1600X doesn't not come with a stock cooler
>The 1600X doesn't not come with a stock cooler
>The 1600X doesn't not come with a stock cooler
>The 1600X doesn't not come with a stock cooler

>>59955452
I just did a build in one of those cases, felt pretty good. Nice rounded edges on metal parts, plastic HDD cage dampens vibrations, overall pretty decent.

>>59955424
Clearly you have no fucking budget, so here ya go
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BGPjCy

>>59955891
>650W
is this fucking 2007? find a decent sub 400W that has all the connectors for your hardware. get molex adapters if you need more holes to fill

Would like some non meme feedback
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WVc2nn

>>59955424
>>59956061
>>59956372
Nah, nah, nah. Heres something even better for your non existent budget https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ggBwZ8

>>59956371
I heard there is a stand off in the middle of where the mobo goes, is that still there?

>>59956369
It does not.
Chill your shit sperg. And if you're the guy I called out then go fuck yourself lmao.

>>59956344
What do you recommend? My budget is 750€

>>59956384

You were told before.

>>59956384
You don't need two AIOs but it looks solid for a white build.

>>59956438
R5 1600

>>59956384
>2 CPU coolers, not aure if thats a mistake or just fucking retarted
>not ryzen 5 for gaymen
>not ryzen 7 for media creation
MSI mobo actually looks decent i guess
>evga psu, and even at that the crappy nex lineup
Next time get seasonic
>4 fans
I dont know how many slots you have for fans, but the Fractal Design S is a good case for fans
>sharkoon mouse
As long as it fits your hand i guess

>>59956384
Is the shit you marked purchased actually purchased or you just don't care for feedback on it?

You're spending a lot of money on extra shit (white cables? really?) but if you've already locked yourself in to the 7700k meme then you might as well go the distance.

If you're going to blow all that money you may as well upgrade your storage. You can look at NVMe M.2 SSDs and maybe a WD instead of the Toshiba

>>59956438
>What do you recommend? My budget is 750€
Scrap just a few coins more and get yourself a much better deal with 1600 and 570.
Go det a hundred bux and it's gonna do you a way better service.

Hell even 1500X is gonna be better.

>>59956384
>>59956516
Also your PSU is shit like >>59956511 says. Get EVGA G2/G3 or get SeaSonic

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>90% of steam users have 2c\4c cpus
>b-but guys! devs will suddenly start to optimize everything for 6c\8c for no reason! ryzen is futureproof!!

>>59956557
>90% of steam users have 2c\4c cpus
I mean, it's not going to stay that way.

>>59956557
Cores are valuable if you do anything productive with a computer. If all you know is gaming then there was an argument made a couple threads ago about how consoles drive the necessity for multithreading, so a multiplat title (or just a competent dev team) will most likely be using all your offered threads to their fullest.

The majority of people are poor and can't afford to spend $1,000+ on a computer.

>>59956557
>what is dx12?
>what is Vulkan?
>What is having some room for background processes?
>What is 2020 when 2 cores dont even exist anymore?

>>59956587
PS3 had 8 cores since forever yet it didn't force PC into 8c gaming somehow.

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I'm 1080p60 and run a 280x. Should I hop to a 1060 or 470/570/480/580? I hear and see different stories constantly and even after researching I can't seem to make up my mind.

>>59956629
It's not to say that consoles "force" PCs into needing more cores. It's just that they allowed devs to develop with multithreading in mind. Consoles need it to keep up graphical fidelity.

>>59956667
1060 or 580. 480 has been BTFO'd by both

what are good brands for amd gpus? sapphire, xfx?

>>59956667
From what I've seen so far is the 1060 and the 580 are roughly equivalent in performance with the 580 being a little less expensive.

>>59956667
My 380X gives me sub 50s in Witcher 3 and Automata
580 would squeze solid 60 outta them.

But i'm going 4k so waiting for Vega

>>59956685
Sapphire is usually the best. XFX made a really good 480.

>>59956557
>What is shit console ports?

>>59956667
>>59956699
Actually, they're about the same price.

>>59956667
I was under the impression that unless you valued low power draw the 580 was the winner now.

>>59956714
8g Sapphire 580 already sold out on newegg..

Nvidia 20 series when?

>>59956557
1 cpu
1.63%
-0.30%

2 cpus
44.45%
-1.74%

3 cpus
2.47%
+0.01%

4 cpus
49.60%
+1.86%
>doing surveys in the first place
literally why

>>59956764
3q

What is my chance of getting a RX580 out of my currently RMA'd 480?

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>see 1060 mini on sale for 219
>would be good for my [spoiler]mitx build[/spoiler]
>about to dive in but hold back to wait and see about 580s

>580s come out
>eh that 1060 for 219 will do me just right after all
>sale ended, back to 249
>all other 1060s seem to have price jumped
W-well, 580 it is.

>>59956861
580 is better than 480 now. Watch LinusFagTips for confirmation.
https://youtu.be/BWqF5fDAZqA 5:26

>>59956798
fuck i dont wanna wait that long

What gpu should i pair with an i7 2600k OCed to 4.5ghz? my budget is like $300, just 1080p gaymen.

>>59956808
Probably pretty slim, but there's no harm in trying.

>>59956928
See >>59956699

>>59954857
Yes it's voltage limited but imho if you spent that amount get a good cooler for better temps.

>>59953201
>Is there a way I could improve this without raising the cost, or even better- lowering it?
Not really, that build is alright if locked 7700 aren't much cheaper.
You could get an RX470 for 180 euro that's like 90% as good as the 1060, but that's a cheap price for a 6GB 1060.
I'd recommend getting a semi-modular PSU, though.

Don't get an i5 like the other anon said. But you could consider a 1600.

>>59953938
>What makes Ryzen different from the old 6 core and 8 core chips from before? Why didn't we see a rise in 8c games when the affordable chips were available?
wtf are you talking about?
Bulldozer were really weak cores.
Two cores had to lock together to do fp128 ops and shit so you never saw them utilized more than like 60% in a lot of games.
It was basically the opposite effect of SMT.

>>59954628
>two shit games
Look at how much the player base of For Honor dropped.

>>59954716
>For better OC get a better cooler, something from Noctua for example.
lmao?
That cooler is perfectly fine for a high OC.

>>59954716
>>59954857
NVMe are primarilty just for scratch disk.
Does not make stuff boot or load faster.

>>59955891
Like others said, 550W is more than you need. 650 is stupid. Your system won't draw over 150-400.

>>59956667
The 1060/480 is only about 30% better. The only big benefit you'll see is that your computer will put out less heat.
Vega or a 1080Ti would be the only worthwhile upgrade for you.

>>59956685
>>59956685
MSI as well.

Apparently Gigabyte is stepping up with the 500 series. We'll see.

>>59956557
>>59956795
>doesn't count hyper threading, only physical cores
hmmmm

>>59956899
I've been saying that for over a week.
For a "refresh", it's quite a good refresh.

>>59956764
Q2 2018

>>59955383
Too early to really say which one is the best but this time around all seem fine.
Sapphire upgraded the VRM and reworked the cooler, XFX and Asus literally just put a new sticker on the GPU whic isn't that bad considering they made the two best 480's and PowerColor Maas vely upgraded their card. No idea about Gigakek though.

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So I'm about to replace my literally 10 year old PC (2.13 GHz Core 2 Duo kek with based Vista) and I'm tired of seeing a big ugly box next to my desk and since space saving is more important than money saving I decided to go with a mITX one.
Am I falling for a meme?

pcpartpicker.com/list/hDQtbj

Couple of points here:
-purpose: entertainment and sometimes vidya, 1080p, nothing really new or fancy (think BF3 or GTAV)
-already own the 1050ti since my GF9800GT blew up 2 weeks ago, no bullying my cardfu pls
-do I need the i5? Is the Pentium meme true?
-yes I do need an ODD and I hate external ones
-maybe save some money and stay with the intel boxed cooler?
-am quite handy with tools, if it's too hot I could still add 2 80mm fans at the top, location is Germany and most of the parts are a bit cheaper than the pcp list at local stores right now.

>>59957206

>-do I need the i5? Is the Pentium meme true?

GTA V will murder the pentium.

>-maybe save some money and stay with the intel boxed cooler?

The stock cooler works but its not known for being quiet.

>>59957206
Ryzen mITX boards come out later this month.
And Vega will surely have a mITX graphics card. Don't you remember the Nano?

>-do I need the i5? Is the Pentium meme true?
The G4560 is great for the price. The i5 is over 3x more money but only about 15-35% better, usually. Both are bad for modern games as they both stutter like fuck.

AMDrones still shilling 580 and Ryzen for gaming? Benchmarks show locked i5 + 1060 still better for gaming on average.

I have a few of each Ryzen and the only chip I'm impressed with is the 1600 in terms of gaming performance. The 1700 is capable all around, but I wouldn't game on it.

There's really no reason to pick a 1600 over a 7600k for a pure gaming system within a certain budget.

The OP is written really poorly. I don't know how many people really take its advice LOL

>>59956456
Ones for the gpu
>>59956511
Intel is better for what ill be using it for than amd

>>59955515
>isn't the 580 kind of a housefire?
Actually not. They are suprisingly cool, it's just that the 6+8pin versions draw as much power as a 1080.

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>>59957244
>GTA V will murder the pentium.
Just realized they make LGA1151 i7s, for 100$ a 7700 might be worth it, don't wanna go over 65 watts (and 1000€) tho

>The stock cooler works but its not known for being quiet.
My concern aswell, should I upgrade the case? I kinda fell in love with it at the local store (50€ or so) and this build is supposed to be a bit of a challenge. Jonsbo u1+ would be an option too but has no drive bay, EVGA Hardon looks much better for actual gaming but is bigger and more expensive (also proprietary psu)

>Ryzen mITX boards come out later this month.
Good to know, I might hold out for them. By mITX graphics card I assume you meant a really short one? The mein reason I seriously started to get interested in the mITX form factor was that my 1050ti already has the size for it (also it's a new thing for me and I never use any other expansion slot anymore)

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>>59957359
> Benchmarks show locked i5 + 1060 still better for gaming on average.
No they don't.
Even a 5ghz overclocked 7600k is terrible for gaming.

Low quality bait. All you do is embarrass yourself.

>>59952921
Thinking about getting MSI 580 Gaming
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814137117

But also looking at the GTR-S 580
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150796

Would the extra $35 be worth it?

>>59957377
>>59957316
how high would I have to go with the cpu so I don't enter stuttertown if I ever decide to play a somewhat demanding game? What's the big game on the block right now that every machine fears?

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>>59957411

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>>59957411
>ryzen stutters like crazy in witcher
Ayyy kurwa! "Stutterlake" huh?

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Ayyyy.
RX580 OC 95% as powerful as a $400 1070.
Just as I suspected and was saying for the past week, that they'd be better than the Fury X in some cases.
Completely BTFOs the 1060.

>>59957419
Looking at reviews, it looks like an 8+6 pin is worth it as long as you don't care too much about the extra power used.

>>59957422
If you have to build an mITX build now, you're limited to intel. I'd say get a locked 7700 and a Cryorig C7.
And get 2666-2800 RAM at least.

>>59957462
>with a 1060
Nice cherry picking when your point was i5+1060 vs a ryzen+rx580. Why'd you drop the trip? Everyone knows it's your every time.

>>59957472
0.1% lows are actually better. Can't make this shit up. Nvidia drivers doing work.

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Lads im conflicted between gigabyte ab350 gaming 3 and asus b350 prime plus for my ryzen build. I want the gigabyte but you get dawn of war 3 if you get the asus one. I know dow 3 will be shit but still.. Help me decide bros.

>>59957498
I'd go with the gaming 3. Better BIOS.

If you REALLY want DoW3 though, and it's worth the $50 to you, then go for the ASUS sure.
Don't get it if you don't really want the game yet somehow think that's better value.

>>59957362
Looks good then

>>59956511
I just grabbed a cheap white mouse with a few extra buttons. Open to suggestions

>>59957472
>And get 2666-2800 RAM at least.
No big deal but good idea to make the best of the Kabby Lake, but is the difference really that big to 2400?

>If you have to build an mITX build now, you're limited to intel. I'd say get a locked 7700 and a Cryorig C7.
I'm not mad to have to use intel, Ryzen is the first time in years that I ever even thought about getting AMD but with the whole DRM 4k thing (implying I'd ever use netflix) I might just bite and buy the more expensive Intel. I'll probably wait until the mITX AM4 boards get released just in case tho, I'm not in a big hurry.

>>59957604
For games, yeah there's a significant difference from 2133 to 2400 to 2666 on kabylake.
Some games level off with 2666, but there are more that keep gaining with faster RAM. It's more performance/$ you get than spending $90-$150 on a cooler and $60 more on a motherboard to overclock a 7700k, not to mention the extra cost for a k, though.
Someone might have a compilation, but I don't have it handy. But yeah I know for sure that almost every game benefits from going from 2400 to 2666. BUT it also wants lower latency more than Ryzen does.

People saying that Kabylake just needs 2133 are just trying to lie to somehow make it seem like better value than Ryzen. It definitely wants 2666-2800 minimum for the best value out of your total build.

>>59957472
>cherrypicking results
>when most have it simply on par with a 1060
ayyyyyyy

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>>59957411
good cherrypick! Also, the G4560 is better than the 1800x, as you see here.

I have two problems:
1. Anus Prime X370-Pro VS. ASSRock X370 Fatal1ty Gaming K4
The K4 got a good review from TweakTown and others, i haven't found much about the Anus board though.
2. Sapphire RX580 VS. XFX RX580
Sapphire was reviewed, HSF and PCB got both good upgrades, especially the HSF, the XFX wasn't reviewed yet, but it's XFX after all, can't be bad. Only concern is the HSF, it seems like it's not getting an upgrade but higher clock.

What do you think? Guess it's worth to just wait (TM) a few days more for reviews, right?

>>59957695
>on par in older games
>completely BTFOs on DX12/Vulkan
I don't see what's cherry picking about this. You know what you're looking at.

I have a Gigabyte Gaming-3 AB350mM mobo and 16GB of G.Skill RipJaws V DDR4 3000 RAM.

I have the memory currently running at 2.9 something using the Gigabyte tuner program.

I've never particularly overclocked something before, but do you think my memory might be able to handle 3200? What are the side effects of it possible not working? I don't want to destroy my newly built machine.

>>59957778
>I've never particularly overclocked something before, but do you think my memory might be able to handle 3200
Are you using a downblower? Do they have heatsinks? Then maybe loosen up the timings to CL17 or CL18 and try 3200, yes.
If it boots, run a memory test. If it doesn't boot, read your manual, there's a dual BIOS switch or CMOS reset.

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>>59957669
>People saying that Kabylake just needs 2133 are just trying to lie to somehow make it seem like better value than Ryzen. It definitely wants 2666-2800 minimum

right, I actually heard that. Will change to the better speed then, thx

Hey /pcbg/
Need some tips for my future ryzen build.
Plan toget and modestly OC a R1700 to a stable 3.7-3.8 for everyday content creation/rendering.

How are the MoBo's so far? Should i wait untill reviews drop or is there any clear consensus regarding the quality/price of B350 mobos?

Also, what should we expect of Vega? Is it going to be in the same tiers as 480-580? Or at a higher pricepoint?
I'm currently looking at a decent 8GB RX480, after prices stabilize after the release of RX580.

Also, any info for when will the new zen+Vega APUs are going to drop? I'm looking to put together a decent HTPC

>>59952921
Anyone know of any decent 1080p monitors for gaming that aren't too expensive?

>>59957875
AOC has some around $100.

using a g3258+gtx660 at the moment and was wondering if it'd be better to get a 1600x or g4560+like a 1060 or something

>>59956234
>The 1600X does not come with a stock cooler.
I know dude, that's why I'm choosing a cooler.

>amd shills infesting this thread

>>59957905
I don't know why you'd buy a new motherboard just to get a g4560 instead of getting an i7-4790 that works on that motherbord. That's just so damn stupid.

And get the RX570 or RX580.

>>59957935
>facts is shilling

>>59957949
ur right i'm actually retarded

>>59956976
I'm hoping considering this is my second RMA since my first came back same serial number and still malfunctioning

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Ordered this last night.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3DFR6X

Tell me what I should regret.

>>59957094
Any reviews comparing modern coolers you can point me to?
As long as I'm within AMD specs I'm not afraid to run my CPU pretty hot. I don't plan for it to last 10 years.

>>59957140
>That cooler is perfectly fine for a high OC.
You quoted me instead of the other dude, but thanks for the input famalam. I'll probably get the H7

I5 vs i7 for just gaming? A lot of people are saying i7 because muh multicores but isn't that a meme? I haven't been on the ball with tech since I have i5 3570k and I mostly do 1080p and 60fps but i think it's time to upgrade it since I'm trying to get 120hz on it with ultra settings.

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MOBO: ASUS ROG Maximus IX Code
CPU: i7 7700k OC'd to 5.1 Ghz
Cooler: Cryorig A40 AIO
GPU: EVGA GTX 1080 Ti FE
Memory: G.Skill TridentZ RGB DDR4 3200Mhz
SSD/HDD: Samsung 960 EVO M.2 500gb, Samsung 850 EVO SSD 1tb, Seagate Barracuda 3tb storage drive
PSU: EVGA Supernova 750 T2
Case: Coolermaster Mastercase Maker 5T
Mouse: Logitech G900 Chaos Spectrum
Keyboard: Corsair K70 LUX
Monitor: Sharp 65" 4k
UPS: Cyberpower CP1500 pure sine wave

Purpose: gaming, browsing memes

Budget:~$3k

Games: Beamng Drive, GRW, Fallout 4

Resolution: 4k 60Hz

>>59958002
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3DFR6X
You paid too much for a 1060 when you can get a vastly better RX580 for that price, unless you care so much about power consumption, but otherwise it looks pretty good.

>>59958011
>I5 vs i7 for just gaming
i5 isn't good for anything.
>because muh multicores but isn't that a meme
search "7600k vs 7700k digitalfoundry" if you're too lazy to look up non-GPU bottlenecked benchmarks and framegraphs to see what a stuttering mess i5s are in more than half the games.

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Rate the build, wont take a 580 because i can get the 480 for 200.

>>59958049
Pretty sure the 1060 and 580 are just about the same in both price and performance.

>>59958002
Motherboard... you will need a really big case, also since you arent probably going to use a sound card, or any other video card, it's a bit of an overkill. I hope you find something small. I think you should have also gotten a good cooler for your CPU.

>>59958069
Get 2x4 GB RAM at a higher frequency and you're set.

>>59958096
thx m8

>>59958069
>>59958096
Will the power supply fit?

>>59958041
Looks good except drop the NVMe.
Unless you can't bother to look up benchmarks that show it doesn't affect gaming, boot times, or load times at all, and is in some cases actually slower for that purpose. Then go ahead and waste money, doesn't matter.
You'd also be fine with 650W.

>4k 60Hz
Oh. Why not a 1600X 1800X then? Even the most bias reviews show it's more consistent and better for the minimum frames, which means it often pulls ahead at 4k.

>>59958078
Where do you see that? I see the RX580 completely blowing it the fuck out in every game except GR Wildlands 1080p, GTAV, and Watch Dogs 2.
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asus_radeon_rx_580_strix_review.html
But winning in almost every single game at 1440p, sometimes by a massive amount.
When it loses, it's by like ~3%. When it wins it's often by 30% and within 5-10% of the 1070.

Seems like the objectively better card to me.

>msi radeon 570 at 199 new
Is it more powerhungry than the 470? Is the upgrade noticeable? Or should I just opt for the 480.

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>>59958179
Yes. It's a bit more power hungry.
No, the upgrade isn't that noticeable and you can overclock your 470 for about 95% the same result.

The process refinement has made them more efficient at the same clocks, but they're clocked above where they're efficient as well.
They also have far, far better stock coolers for many of them.

They're great for people that are still on a 270, 960, building a new computer, etc, but not worth upgrading from a 470.

>>59958235
I am building a new computer but I'm wondering if I really need a 570 or a 580 for regular 1080p gaming. I don't do very demanding stuff. When I compare those two they are pretty much identical. Maybe I'll wait a bit and snack a cheaper 470 / 480.

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Here is the MSRP chart.

>$299.99 ANUS

>>59958161
It should unless your case is a miniATX or microITX case, which it isn't.

>>59958256
RX580 is the best value you can get for 1440p. Pretty big overkill for 1080p.
I think you'll see new RX570s are around $170-$180 which'll be great for 1080p.
Or just look for RX470s on sale for $130 or less. Some of the better ones will OC close to RX570 OC perf.

>>59958258

So the lesson here is to buy the GTR 480 and overclock it.

>>59958161
yes, that's why this case is goat

>>59958276
I'll look out for the rx 4/570 models then. Thanks.

>>59958258
What price range should I be aiming for? Is $230 too cheap or should I go for $250?

>>59958276
>pretty big overkill
Not that anon but how big overkill? I am planning on having my computer for a while but I want to play games at max at 1080p.

>>59957567
ZOWIE ZA, whichever size fits your hand. I personally like the ZA11, the large. The Razer Deathadder Chroma/Elite are also the same size/shape and similar price

Well I just got word from Cryorig that they'll be sending out AM4 upgrade kits this week and it'll take 10-20 business days for people to receive them.

Fuck this shit, I should just return my H7 and get something else that will get here before my 30-day return period is up encase some of my shit is broken.

>>59958288
Yeah, value wise.
If you can get the XFX GTR RX480, it looks like it nearly matches Sapphire Nitro+ RX580. And that was on sale for $210 a few days ago.
TPU is saying they only got an OC on the Nitro+ to
The XFX GTS RX580 seems to be roughly the same as the XFX GTR RX480.

Still waiting to see how the Aorus and Red Devil OC... Only seen it tested on the GTS and Nitro+ so far.

>>59958299
>What price range should I be aiming for
For what?
The the other anon mentioned, and I said above, the XFX GTR RX480 seems to be similar to those $230 models, but it might be dropping on sale.
If you're doing 1440p and want the absolute best, the probly get an 8+6 pin non-reference RX580 but they're a lot more money for just up to 10% more performance.

>>59958325
Well the RX580 high end models get 90+ fps on most games completely maxed out.
for 1080p:
90FPS on GTAV. 110 on GoW4. 64 on Witcher 3. 140fps on DOOM. 100 on BF1.
There's only a few games, like GR Wildlands and Dishonored, that get barely under 60 that you have to turn settings down on, which rarely makes a graphics quality difference.
It's often R9 Fury performance or better.

Imo it's bad value for a 1080p 60fps card. It's 1440p card.
Even an RX470 4GB is great for 1080p and you can get them on sale for HALF the price as those high end OC model RX580 8GB cards.

>>59958389
See if there is someone local selling their stock cooler for 10bux.

>>59958167
It's actually 5% worse on average running all the games. You need to actually pay attention and be wary.

>>59958276
it also appears that the rx 500 series is far more energy efficient than the 400 series. I might get a 570 one just because of that desu.

>>59958409
lol?
Even Techpowerup says it's 8% better on average than the 1060 across all their games tested.
You've still given no citation. Just baseless shilling.

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Hello, anons. I need your help and please treat me like a retard I am - explain everything.
Tell me what should I fix with my build. Most of all I am interested in brands, as I know little about them. Also, would like a cheaper motherboard, if there are any of good quality.

Lastly, and MOST importantly I have same question as anyone now - should I go Ryzen 1700x instead? I am mostly gayming, little other difficult stuff. Want to keep PC for 4-5 years. Want to have good fps and no problems but am afraid of 4 cores only. Also heard there were issues with RAM - i want fast RAM.

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>>59958438
Reviews show the opposite

>>59958438
It's more energy efficient at lower clocks. But not on these 1450MHz models. (but more energy efficient than overclocking your average RX480 to 1450MHz)

What I'm waiting to see is just how high that Red Devil and Aorus overclocks. Some of them seem limited to 1480MHz.

>>59958455
Get a 6700k so you're less likely to need a delid.
And get a non-meme cooler that can actually handle a good OC.
And a 650W PSU.
Looks pretty good otherwise.

>Lastly, and MOST importantly I have same question as anyone now - should I go Ryzen 1700x instead? I am mostly gayming, little other difficult stuff.
Depends on resolution. The Ryzens are better for min framerates on average so for 4K 60hz they, are generally much better.

>>59958467
That's comparing a 1450MHz card to a 1266MHz one. Please be less retarded.
Look at OC3D's review. The 1439 MHz red devil was only like 1% higher power consumption than a 1340MHz one.

>>59957763
Anyone? I'm leaning towards Anus X370 + Sapphire because it's cheaper than ASSRock + XFX.

I want to be able to play space engineers at lowest settings at 60 fps no frame drop also starmade. Lots of open world games like ksp, fallout too.
Build: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/k7Y8vV
I have gamed on lowest settings for so long now that I don't mind it.

>>59958510
Same person here. I would like to play at 1080p

>>59958502
Idk dude the shit just came out and there are two different XFX and Sapphire models.
You can also get ASRock motherboards cheaper if you review them and submit that. Check their site.

>>59958510
Isn't KSP one of "there's never enough threads" games? People max out 6950X on it and they still choke.
Also wtf. $240 for an RX470. WHY.

>>59958467
I should have added that I mean idle.

Oh man, what do. If they suck at gaming when it comes to energy efficiency then I might as well get the rx 470. wtf man.

>>59958540
everything is wrong about this build, from the ryzen CPU to the expensive 470 (they go for $100) to the expensive RAM to the thermal paste to the PSU

I'm pretty pissed off no one is testing the RX580 and others with the 1600X.

>>59958559
Oh yeah >>59958510, that cooler comes with thermal paste.

>>59957802
I don't know what a downblower is. The Ripjaws have a "heat spreader". What about that?

>>59958402
Just called every store near me, no one has any for AM4. Fuck, am I just stuck with this shit? I'm sure it's a good cooler, but fuck the H7 shill in these threads and fuck Cryorig for saying they were available on their website when they weren't.

>>59958588
580 = 1060 with any CPU, as an average across all games. i5 > 1600x overall, as an average across games. Many statistics establish this

>>59958646
Are you 14? Why are you so impatient?

>>59958650
>i says so. xd

>>59958646
that's why you ensure compatibility before buying a product. fuck you for being another retarded consumer.

>>59958546
>You can also get ASRock motherboards cheaper if you review them and submit that. Check their site.
Let me guess, US only? Thanks for the tip anyways.

>>59958546
Out was discounted to 160 but then the discount ended and I forgot to remove it

>>59958510
You won't be able to use your H7 until 2-3 weeks when you submit for an AM4 upgrade kit.

>>59958499
As I said, I am a retard and a curious one
>Get a 6700k so you're less likely to need a delid.
What is this? Never heard of it. Why should I take the same but older CPU? Same 4 cores, lower clock.
>And get a non-meme cooler that can actually handle a good OC.
Well, as I said - I wouldn't know one. Could you give some advice?
>And a 650W PSU.
Would that be enough for sure?

>for 4K 60hz they, are generally much better.
I only have full HD monitor. Taking such good GPU because I plan to keep it for 5 years and might change monitor in this time.
Assuming I have full HD, should I go Ryzen?
Anyway, thanks for reply, man!

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>>59953228
>>59958467
1439MHz using 30watts less than 1330MHz.
I hate you lying fucktards so much.

Yes, it's not power efficient compared to Pascal, but it's acceptable and way better performance for the money, especially in DX12 and Vulkan.

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The guy from >>59955234 again, kindly asking for calming me off, because now Im seriously worried about my PC health.

During playing game, I launched HWMonitor to see how it performs during that and this is the screenshoot made after I closed the game. Not only it reached 72C on stock frequency and max fan speed of the cooler (~1500 rmp, nh-u12s) but also I dont understand why it shows lowest frequency at 800 mhz (throttle temperature for this cpu is 100C).

I checked few days ago if cooler is mounted properly and all. The only thing that was off is that when I move the case around, one of that parts holding fan to heatsink tend to detach, so fan only hang on "upper" part.

When I still had my poor i5-750 PC, I was just happily using it and ignoring extremely loud cpu fan, since I got this new PC, I constantly sit with nose into temperature readings. And now I dont even know, what Im doing wrong.

What should I do?

>>59958455
bumping due to lack of replies and need for help

>>59958663
God forbid I want to make sure my parts work before the 30-day return policy.

>>59958665
>Front page of website says AM4 UPGRADE AVAILABLE NOW
>Learn more section says they're sending them out late March
>Literally no communication that the upgrade kits were delayed
Fuck of kiddo

>>59958455
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LfWxjc

>>59958748
If you get it in 20 days, isn't that within the 30 day return period?

>>59958801
Some of my parts got here last week. So if gets sent out on Friday, then takes 20 days to get here, I'll be over the 30 day limit. That's also assuming that the 30 day return period is when I receive my package, not when I bought it.

>>59958800
Well, I appreciate your effort but, as I said before, could you please explain to me the rationale behind the changes you made? This is an expensive purchase and I want to get as much info as possible.
Specifically why 1600x? Why not 1700x, which is the same price as 7700k and that I was thinking about.
Also, I was thinking about a cheaper motherboard, and your build has a more expensive one.

>>59958880
The 1600X is clocked higher stock, and may OC like 50mhz better.
Games won't fully utilize 8c/16t. And they're still reliant on the performance of the main render loop thread.
But 6c/12 is enough for those games that do utilize more than 8 threads, plus power left over for other stuff to keep performance consistent and keep games from stuttering.

>>59958880
The K5 or Taichi would work. Taichi is like $175 after rebate I think if you're in the US.
If you're trying to OC to 4.2 or 4.3GHz, you might not want to risk it with a cheaper board especially if you don't have the best airflow over your VRMs.

>>59958880
>why 1600x instead of 1700X
Unless you are into media creation or streaming on a regualr basis with cpu dependant games, you have no reason to buy an R7. If you dont wany to buy a good CPU cooler, buy a 1600.
M.2 SSD because if youre going all ssd, you might as well get as much speed as possible for your money, plus they are within $20 of regular ssds.
Gigabyte 1080Ti because I'm assuming you want good 4K/1440p gaming. If youre gaming at 1080p get a 1070 or RX580.
Ripjaws V memory because it has Samsung chips, which are the best for Ryzen and in general. They are also cheaper than corsair LPX.
Seasonic PSU because they are the best. Gold rated and higher is the best for a computer more expensive than $1200. Dont bother looking at any other rankings below it.
Gigabyte mobo because of their amazing UEFI and quality. If you care for overclocking or need onboard wifi, go for one of the asrock boards.

>>59959034
M.2 SATA is not faster than 2.5" SATA.

>>59958708
Hey anon not him but I can at least comment on the power supply. If you look at pcpartspicker near the top it shows you estimated wattage usage. I'm building a pretty similar computer to yours and mines 450W so 750 is probably total overkill for you. As the pastebin said its good to have at least 100W extra headroom to extend your power supplies life. From seeing past people argue over power supplies in here, bigger power supplies after that 100w headroom doesn't really get you anything but nor is it particularly bad unless your talking about cost. That being said the 650w and 750w for the one I chose are almost identical in price so it really doesn't matter much I think.

>>59954264
Go buy a 7850 off of ebay, more than enough for Dota. That or go gtx 770, r9 280.

>>59958708
>What is this? Never heard of it. Why should I take the same but older CPU? Same 4 cores, lower clock.
The 7000 series have more space between the die and the integrated heat spreader. Between that is some cheap shit half-cent paste Intel puts on them so the die will transfer heat to the heat spreader.
Well that slight increase in gap combined with the shitty TIM means that we constantly get people in /pcbg/ who got a 7700k and are getting 45-55C idle temps.
To "fix" it you have to cut the adhesive around the edge of the IHS and remove the heat spreader, clean off the TIM, and apply better TIM, then adhere it back together.
There are deliders for like $25. $40 delidding services. Or you can 3D print one.
Or you get Ryzen, which are liquid metal soldered.

>>59954264
>>59959119
The G4560 and integrated graphics will run Dota2 at 60fps+ on medium settings. Still looks good at those settings.

>>59959080
650w will generally be less power efficient at idle. Just a few bucks a year you'd lose, but meh.
You can go check efficiency graphs that compare them to see how different those same price 650w and 750w ones would be in the 35-50 watt range.
There are no benefits to getting a PSU that's significantly more output than you need, only drawbacks. What matters most is the quality of the PSU.

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what should i get if i just want to play weeb console ports and got no interests in AAA FPS games.
Was thinking r5 1600 but not sure about gfx. How much does GHz matter, i dont want to overclock.

What is the best X370 board?

I'm running this (https://pcpartpicker.com/list/p4xXNN) as a plex server, and only a plex server.
What are some good upgrades to this that I could do in the 4~5 months? It transcodes fairly well now, but I do get some buffering with subtitled works, both in 720p and 1080p.

>>59959167
>The G4560 and integrated graphics will run Dota2 at 60fps+ on medium settings.
The integrated graphics on the G4560 in particular are very bad, even compared to the other pentiums that cost $10 more.

http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-HD-630-Desktop-Kaby-Lake-vs-Intel--HD-610-Desktop-Kaby-Lake/m178724vsm225196

>>59959034
Thanks for such a detailed reply!
>you have no reason to buy an R7
So, should I just go with 7700k or is 1600x really a better option? Also, even if there is no reason for me to go 1700x over 1600x, I simply can money wise, and would like to get somewhat of a future proof thing. So, if we forget about money values here - 7700k, 1700x, or 1600x?
>Gigabyte 1080Ti because I'm assuming you want good 4K/1440p gaming
The place I can buy from only has reference cards. Are they okay or should I wait?
>Ripjaws V
In my build I also had them, are these the same or is there any difference?

>>59959202
If you don't want to overclock, get the 1500X or 1600X.
For graphics, not sure. I know Nier ran perfectly fine on just about anything with the optimization mod.

>>59959323
It's sufficient for Dota2, LoL, CSGO. No reason for someone to spend an extra $70 for no reason.
https://youtu.be/0UsLbli1SFA?t=2m16s
The person can get an RX550 if they feel they need to and low settings aren't good enough. No reason to start out with a dGPU.

>>59959337
Weren't you the guy that wants to play at 4K 60hz?
If so, yes the 1600X is the better option by far. It's much smoother and more consistent.

>>59959287
>It transcodes fairly well now, but I do get some buffering with subtitled works, both in 720p and 1080p.
Well a 1700 will transcode 8k at 30fps at far better quality as well since it's on the CPU instead of a hardware encoder.. but that's overkill.
Do you want the new Pentium and to stick with lower quality GPU accelerated video encoding, or do you want to do it on the CPU at higher quality? Because the new Pentiums do have far better iGPUs and hardware accelerators.
You didn't give a budget too.

If the budget is unlimited, I'd get a 1700 and underclock it as far as you can go, to like 2.0-2.2Ghz.

>>59958735

Anybody? There must be a reason, why it dont just sit in what reviewers had aka 65C max at stock frequency. Unless those are just spikes and I shouldnt worry. But I still do.

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My 7870 can't quite keep a solid 60fps in FO4. I really don't game much anymore, but does this look like a worthwhile upgrade?
I can probably get $60 for the 7870.

>>59959459
Well, it's a headless server right now. I just remote in if I need to do something with it.
I was under the impression that Plex doesn't make use of any sort of GPU acceleration.
Sorry about the budget, I would be willing to spend another $200 on it.

looking to make a really cheap lga 775 system kind of just for fun
i say cheap i mean under 100$ cheap
ive found a mobo for like 25$, a 15$ core2quad, i have 4gb of ddr2 lying around, hard drive, might pick up a 750ti if i can get one cheap locally
looking at PSU's now
found some used seasonic 350w things, any other time i would be like "no to the fucking way" buying a used budget psu, but its seasonic and im not going to be using high wattage

http://www.ebay.com/itm/371893386334

yes/no/fuck yourself?

>>59959557
Yea that's a good gpu for fo4 seems like it was designed around it

>>59959557
definitely a decent upgrade, a little high on the price but not a bad price at all
go for it, its a decent model 970 too

How is this build? What can i improve on? https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BpyJZ8

>>59959557
No, the 3.5 GB ram is shit, look for a GTX980 or an R9 290x card.

>>59959669
The budget is 800-850 by the way. sorry for not putting that in the original post.

Poorfag here. Is there anything I can do to improve specs or lower price? My budget's $520-$530, and it's for gay men.

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/AwesomeNinja08/saved/64ZCJx

>>59959557
>970
>"""""upgrade"""
I have bad news for you unless you literally only play FO4. That GPU works terribly in some other games due to the slow last 0.5GB.

>>59959576
I'd just get a G4560 and motherboard. That'll be around $180 total.

>I was under the impression that Plex doesn't make use of any sort of GPU acceleration.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wY4gn-tkN-Y

>>59959480
It seems like you're only at those temps at 1.333v
Why would you be at that high of voltage?

>>59959696
not all models had the 3.5gb issue
that was mainly the reference card ones that came out really early
the later memory used was just fine

also ed never recommend a 290x used, bitcoin mining gpu = high risk of low lifespan

>>59959715
>not all models had the 3.5 GB issue
My Gigabyte windforce GTX 970 says otherwise.

>>59959709

I left my motherboard cover voltage by automatic settings. I dont know if I wouldnt screw it somehow by setting manually 1.2V for example, especialyl since during low use it can drop to 0.8V.

And I still dont know why HWMonitor showed 800 Mhz as lowest, when it shouldnt throttle at all, having well 30C before limit.

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Im new to this. I want to game and video/music production. I like smaller cases but im not sure if this will all fit in a Micro ATX case. I will be gaming at 1080p intially but plan on getting a 1440p screen in a few months. any advice? oh and running windows 10 that i got for free from my uni

>>59959669
pick a Ryzen 1500 and overclock it. Use the money you saved to get an 8GB RX580. Just my two cents.

I built a new PC yesterday but I get frquent BSOD with error code: MEMORY_MANAGEMENT. The MemTest showed nothing...

CPU: i7-7700K
GPU: GTX 1070 Armor OC
RAM: 2x8GB DDR4 Viper Patriot

Possible clue: I installed windows on my SSD but it won't boot if I disconnect HDD.

>>59959764
get at least 2800-3200 RAM and dual channel.
Get a semi-modular better PSU. The Seasonic 550RM if it's still on sale for $50.
Rest is fine.

>>59959802
Did you try using just one memory stick, each of them?

>>59959709
>That GPU works terribly in some other games due to the slow last 0.5GB.
And how does the 2GB 7870 fare in those?

>>59959810
thanks for the PSU recommendation. can u explain more about RAM? i'm a pol queer and don't know this stuff

>>59959582
What C2Q? You can get 12MB Xeons for cheap if you want to do the 771 conversion.

>>59959817
Not yet. After the memtest were all clear I thought that was indicative that both sticks are OK. Will try once I get back home.

I googled that it may be also nvidia's drivers fault. I also thought maybe the new creator's windows update might be at fault. I was interested if anybody had similar problems. I really don't want the new HW to be faulty.

>>59959830
Worse or the same. But if you wait, you could probably find 1060s for under $150 used. They're tremendously better on average even if only 10% better than the 970 in FO4.
But if all you literally play is FO4, then I guess the 970 is ideal.

http://www.legitreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/fallout-1080p.jpg

There was a 4GB RX480 for like $170 which roughly matches the 970 in FO4 but is way better in most other games.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125911 But now it's $20 more. So meh. But yeah.

>>59959961
FO4 is the only game I've bought in like 10 years. Got a copy of Skyrim from my sister but only played it for like 20 minutes.
Only other game I'm playing at the moment is Dungeon Siege, which isn't having a problem with frame rates. So I'm not really looking to pay new card prices.

Is vega going to have low end parts in May or shortly there after? As in a 1050ti replacement.

>>59960048
Vegas sounds like it will be the flagship card so I doubt that there will be low end variants as the RX 5xx series is covering the low-mid range segment.

>>59960033
Alright then yeah get the 970.

>>59960048
Um no. Vega will have no low end parts.
You should have just gotten an RX470 to begin with.

>>59959947
>nvidia's drivers
There's your problem, anon. They've taken the 'shitty drivers' crown from AMD and run with it in spectacular fashion just lately.

>>59960094
They're drivers essentially disabled the 1050 in my XPS 15. Was an annoyance getting that recognized and running again.

Vega when?

>>59953228
fuck off nvidia shill

>>59960152
>>59960094
So should downgrade to previous update?