/pcbg/ - PC Building General

>Recommend a rx470 for 1080p
>OP image shows it doesn't maintain even close to 60fps in some current games
y u do dis?

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I'm new to PC building. I want a budget-friendly rig that can easily handle ultra settings on 1080p and high setttings 1440p. I game and also edit videos and use DAWs for music production. Any areas i can improve or cut prices?

>>59960325
There's a limit of text in the OP. But it's implied that you should play at max/ultra to save a ton of money.


Most games now days don't look any better on ultra/max than they look on high or very high. All those settings often do is make benchmarks worse to sell overpriced cards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5ZsaavKNR8 is a fantastic video on that fact.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTnFKwK_DaQ
Here is Digital Foundry's RX580 review for those interested, too.
Currently it seems that there is some driver/BIOS shit creating at a wall at like 1480MHz.

>>59960408
You need dual channel memory. Like 2x4GB. It's a free 5-20% performance improvement.
You probably want 2x8GB since you're doing video editing, really.

Anyone have tips for a PC needed mostly for home music production? So far it seems like a good CPU and as much ram as possible is what's needed.

What is the best model of RX 580s to get? Currently deciding between the Gigabyte Aorus one and the Sapphire Pulse one.

>>59960262
updated text

/pcbg/: Post your component list; rate other anons'; ask questions in general.

State the PURPOSE of your PC & BUDGET. State COUNTRY if not USA.
List GAMES/SOFTWARE you use often. List resolution & hz if gaming.
Seeking build improvements? Clarify goal: lower price or improved specs?
ctrl+f to see if your question was answered already

>Assemble your parts list with price comparisons & compatibility filter.
https://pcpartpicker.com

>Information on how to assemble a PC, select components & more. (somewhat outdated)
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Build_a_PC

Currently worthwhile CPUs:
>G4560 for budget builds (<$500) unless G4620/i3-6100 is heavily discounted
>i5 aren't worthwhile. Get Ryzen 5, drop down to G4560, or up to i7
>No R5 1400 unless discounted
>i7-6700k is good but pricey. If over budget: consider locked 7700; not chasing 4.8Ghz+ capable when you weren't gonna overclock, or get R5
>Cheap Z270 board is still good for faster memory in games w/ locked 7700, but aren't for overclocking (VRMs suck)
>R7/Xeon for compute/multitask/mixed use

Currently worthwhile GFX cards:
>RX470 , RX580/570, 1070, 1080, 1080TI
>1060's are obsolete. Choose RX500 over 400s if budget allows, sligtly more but better price/performance.
>470 is all you need for 1080p
>Nvidia GPU + Ryzen has issues in many games atm
>Budget builds: consider integrated graphics over a card weaker than RX470, unless price/performance is better (discounted/used)
>Vega comes in May

General:
>No brand/model loyalty. Parametric filters on pcpartpicker can help
>Consider larger SSD-only for what you budget SSD+HDD combined. Add HDD later once needed
>NVMe aren't worth it just for faster OS boot. They're primarily for productivity as a scratch disk
>Save money w/ mATX case/mobo, and if patient by purchasing your parts individually in flash sales

>>59960459
>So far it seems like a good CPU and as much ram as possible is what's needed.
Yes. And a DAC.

If you search on youtube like FL Studio or whatever CPU tests or ryzen test, I'm sure there's some good results as I've seen a good one on there before.


>>59960497
What are the prices?
The Aorus and Red Devil Golden Sample seem like the best value for high OC ones.
The Gigabyte non-OC one seems like the best value at $230 for an 8GB RX580 but I think the XFX GTR RX480 is probably roughly equal to it and you could find those for $210 on sale.

>>59960513
Oh oops, I missed that. The OP attached image probably makes things more clear, at least.
I'd say the 1060 still has a place because overclocked it's better in like Overwatch for those that have a 144hz monitor idk. it's iffy. I don't want to simply say it's obsolete.

>>59960430
>Justifying not running at ultra settings.
It must be awful to be this poor. Keep telling yourself you can't tell the difference, anon.

>>59960541
>What are the prices?
The Gigabyte Aorus is $260 while the Sapphire Pulse is $230. There is also the Sapphire Nitro+ which is $260 but is currently only available via back orders.

My current PC is an i5 2500k @ 4.7 GHz, 16 GB ddr3, gtx 780. Should I upgrade? I have £600 I can spend

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>>59960567
I think you'd be better off waiting to see if the XFX GTR drops on sale again than getting one of the lower RX580s.
The XFX GTR RX480 seems to have roughly similar die quality to the lower model RX580s.

The best RX580 of them appears to be the Red Devil GS. Won't really know without seeing one reviewer tests many all with the same methodology, to see how their watts per frame compares, OC headroom, etc.

>>59960624
I'd keep your GPU for now and get a 1500X/1600/1600X. That should run you around 350-450 euro.

>>59960482
>DAW
Sorry if its off topic but I was hoping there's ways round that without ((paying)) as I'm low budget, not sure if it causes issues later on though

>>59960709
I meant DAC.
You can get a DAC for $30.

>driving home today and brakes make weird noise
>1100 in repairs
FUCK THERE GOES MY FUN MONEY ON A NEW PC SHIT

>>59960667
We also haven't seen the XFX GTR-S yet.
Considering the GTS Black seems to be the same or marginally better than the RX480 GTR, the GTR-S should be better.
But the RX480 GTR goes on sale for $210 or less, so much cheaper for only marginally worse performance.

>>59960985
>>59960667
>But the RX480 GTR goes on sale for $210 or less
When the fuck does this happen for you guys? I live in the US and the GTR never goes on sale for that low.

Anyone have that picture with all the parts at different price ranges?

I hate Novidia. However the games I play 95% of the time are Blizzard, and novidia has a clear advantage there. Like 15-20%, even 30% better in a WoW benchmark Vs the 480. 1060s are not completely obsolete as they have their niche uses and in my case, they excel at that.

found on /r/buildapcsales:
>https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883101473&cm_sp=Homepage_FDD-_-P1_83-101-473-_-04182017
>Prebuilt with an i7-6700 (non-k), RX480, and Win10 for $670.
No SSD, but not a bad deal.

>>59961009
It was that price like 2 or 3 days ago, and a few weeks ago.

>>59961098
Yeah, that's what I was saying to that person. RX470/580 is the default recommendation, but for some people Nvidia may be better.
But hell for WoW.. you're going to get 120fps fine. Hardly matters at that point.

>>59961094
logicalincrements? It's pretty garbage. Use parametric filters on pcpartpicker instead.

>>59961140
It's never gone below $240 on Newegg.

>>59961140
Another from /r/buildapcsales

www.bestbuy.com/site/lg-24-ips-led-fhd-freesync-monitor/5770302.p?skuId=5770302
>24" IPS LED backlit
>1080p 75hz Freesync
>5ms response time
>$160

>>59961159
It was $210 after MIR on Amazon, iirc. Some people a few threads ago mentioned getting it for that. Or maybe it was with Doom that they sold for $15.
I don't know how you can so confidently say it was never lower.
Almost every day there is an 8GB RX480 for $190-$210 on Newegg and/or Amazon, it's just a question of which one.

512GB ADATA SU800 SSD.
$136.30 with code EMCREBJ27
Cheaper if you already got discounted giftcards.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820215017
Really good SSD. About as fast as the 850 in most cases.

Same one is about $120 on Jet but plus sales tax for some.

For 1080p games, is 8GB of ram enough or do I need 16? Not too sure how much ram most games use but I hear like Tomb Raider goes over 8, though I don't need to play on ultra if that makes a difference. Just wondering if I can watch a movie or something on another monitor while I play some games or if I won't have enough ram at 8GB. And is 4GB of Vram enough for most games on high settings at 1080p?

What CPU should I use for a $500 build that needs the best single core performance possible?
No games, only needs 120GB SSD.

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>>59961377
>multi-tasking
Get 16GB. RAM is cheap nowadays anyway.

>>59961444
read the op faggot

>>59960325
The suggestions are unironically shit.

These generals need a new OP

>>59961444
i3-7350k is the best single core performance for the money.
G4560 is significantly lower performance, but much cheaper.

>>59961377
As the OP says, 470 4GB is all you need for 1080p. And you can find those for $110-$130 depending on the sale going on on any given day, usually.
Might want to get the 570 4GB instead. That's about 11% better but they're at $170 from what I can see.
For RAM... some games are using over 6GB now days.

You might have to turn texture resolution down a bit on a few games, as the max texture resolution settings on games now days is generally made for 4K.

>>59961506
Problem is it doesn't fit. Like the i3 for emulators and dwarf fortress had to be taken out for other shit.

Someone needs to make a decent one page concise thing that goes over the shit like what to get for what and how to spot motherboard VRMs and other shit for how to pick out a motherboard.

>>59961487
>RAM is cheap nowadays anyway.

I thought it was getting more expensive. I'm not 100% sure what my needs are quite yet but I was wondering if I could save $50-60 by going for 8GB instead of 16 or just do it and be comfortable knowing I won't hit the limit.

>>59961521
I've never owned anything 1080p or been able to play intensive games on any computer I've owned so I'm not sure the kind of impact that lowering some settings have on saving it. I wouldn't mind going down to medium if it saved a GB or two. I probably couldn't tell the difference anyway. Would that make 8GB enough?

>>59960983
>brakes make weird noise
>$1,100 in repairs

What fucking repair shop is raping you over the counters and all the way home?


Go to RockAuto~com, get your rotors and pads, and fix it yourself for ±$200.

Shits easy.
Look up a youtube video on how to change the parts if it confuses you.

>>59960325
>>59961098
>>59961506
I could easily use up 2000 characters each for motherboard, CPU & RAM, and graphics card.
That's the problem.

It should say shit like how the RX580 8GB or the 1060 6GB with a 2100MHz core and a memory overclock are all you need for 1440p.
And then how to tell people how to look at reviews to find said 1060 that can OC like that. How to replace GPU heatsink, how to overclock..
How to look and see if they play games that might make the 1060 better for them instead of the RX480.
That's just one subject that's easily the whole 2000 character post limit.

If someone wants to make a page (someone started one before that was decent but needed work, with edited images and blah blah going over each component and wire etc), I can contribute knowledge to it but I can't be bothered to do the grunt work.

>>59961608
Settings don't affect RAM usage much. Just shitty programming does.

>>59961627
The brakes ripped themsevles apart or some shit I dont know. it wasn't a simple pad replacement

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>>59961608
I guess I'm still thinking of last year's prices when DDR4 RAM was pretty fucking cheap.
Since you're playing games you'll probably be on windows 10. Save yourself a headache and get 16GB as a safeguard against potential bloated requirements.

>>59961637
>I could easily use up 2000 characters each for motherboard, CPU & RAM, and graphics card.
>That's the problem.
How about when you hover over a part in the list a short tooltip with the part's most impressive feature shows up? inb4 "doesn't blow up past 100C"

>>59961637
>>59961698

Alright thanks. 16GB it is then

>>59961656
Unless they're replacing the whole drive train, that's extremely overpriced. My cousin overhauled his trucks entire front end for that much.
Axel joints, hubs, rotors, pads, calipers, ball joins, and shock spring kit, all for ±$800.

>>59961733
I dont know I wasn't concerned about it as long as I dont crash because the brakes are fucked

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So I'm new to building a PC, I went through the pcpartpicker, and I just threw something together real quick. I'm looking for it to run art programs, but also have decent gaming performance as well. I don't mind not having the best settings for gaming, as I am a console shitter as of now. I already have monitors, tablet, and everything else, I'm not too picky. Budget is 400-600. Could I get better or equal performance for less?

>>59961521
>unlocked i3
Wow, since when?
Guess I'll get that then.

>>59960262
Someone is trying to convince me that windows 10 is obligatory because of direct X 12

Do I have to join the botnet for that shit??!?!?!?

>>59961826
a 1500 or a 1600 would be better
the fan on the hyper 212 sucks
get a Cryorig H7
avoid seagate HDDs
Get an RX 470

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/4kRZD8

Purpose: General Gaming and Browsing, nothing High End but would like to not be on the crap-end of the stick

Budget: Around what's in the Link, 900-1000 total budget

Note: I am Canadian and have to work with our Crappy dollar

>>59961841
>Wow, since when?
Since Intel panicked when AMD carpetbombed the market with Ryzen. It's amazing what a little competition can do, pentiums with hyperthreading too.

>>59961841
With hyperthreading, too. Came out earlier this year I think.

>>59961851
Just use Linux, run Windows through KVM and GPU passthrough when you have to play DX12.

>>59961863
get the Fractal Design Define S, 89.99 for roomy building
CRYORIG H7, 46.99 and isn't a bitch to install

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Don't know a whole lot about M.2 stuff but is Crucial good quality or should I go with the Samsung SSD?

>>59961901
MX300 is 3D NAND but TLC garbage, it's only worth is as a budget ssd with a good controller
if the SATA version is cheaper get those instead
i'm using one for my OS

Whats the best manufacturer for 580?

>>59961901
MX300 is 95-98% the same speed and also reliable.

>>59961851
dx12 is windows 10 only, no one has backported it to lower versions of windows because it's proprietary
on the bright side Vulkan is across all OS versions so long as the GPU supports Vulkan

>>59961937
surprisingly enough it's the fucking crazy faggots over at Powercolor+ with their devil shit, there's a golden sample that reaches 1500Mhz clock

>>59961927
>>59961942
The SATA one $5 more which is also $5 less than the Samsung. So either one would be 35GB more for cheaper and nearly the same speed/quality?

>>59961995
M.2 is faster than SATA
go ahead and buy it

>>59961937
>>59961955
We're not 100% sure yet.
The Red Devil GS definitely looks good.
The top end Sapphire also looks good.
Gigabyte's look good this time around and they seem priced the lowest of the good ones.
MSI fans are way too loud.
Still have not seen the XFX GTR-S but this XFX GTS 580 looks near identical to the XFX GTR 480.

Also haven't really gotten any detail on what's limiting the overclock, yet. The GPU itself should be able to handle over 1500MHz, and the PCBs are better. But they're still good simply at 1450-1500.

>>59961995
Yes

>>59961859
What is the 1500/1600 in reference to?

>>59962017
>M.2 is faster than SATA
M.2 SATA is still SATA. Stop spreading misinformation.

>>59962024
Ryzen 5 models.

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>finally dived
>msi rx 580 8 gigs
>post-purchase emotional distress setting in
Just tell me why this purchase was bad. I don't give a shit about the good. My beast engorges on the desire to bathe myself in this dispair.

>>59962035
i hope you're not married
you're a potential cuck

I think I'm just going to grab the $260 Gigabyte one off NewEgg since it has free shipping

But I'm already stressed as hell just add the thing to cart

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>>59961826
If you can stretch your budget a little bit this will give you massively better performance.

>>59962119

Build me something with $850 burger money

ASRock Fatal1ty b350 or Gigabyte ab350 Gaming 3?

>>59962080
what game are you going to play to break it in

>>59962140
ASRock AB350 Pro4

>>59962174

[spoiler]Andromeda[/spoiler]

>>59961900

The Fractal Design Define S doesn't work because of the lack of DVD Player. Any other recommendations?

>>59962035
MSI's RX580 seems to be the worst one.
Loud ass fan.

>>59962119
Too much money for an RX470.

>>59962136
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XVVppb
$692

>>59962140
Whichever you like more.

>>59960262
XFX GTR RX 480 or Sapphire RX 480?

>>59962140
>Fatal1ty
How are they still using this guy's name on their gaymur shit? Do people even know who he is/was these days?

Which GPU should i buy?
https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/8GB-XFX-Radeon-RX-480-GTR-Black-Edition-Aktiv-PCIe-3-0-x16--Retail-_1116188.html
https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/8GB-Sapphire-Radeon-RX-580-Nitro--Aktiv-PCIe-3-0-x16--Retail-_1167547.html
https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/8GB-XFX-Radeon-RX-580-GTR-S-Black-Aktiv-PCIe-3-0-x16--Retail-_1167749.html

Intel Core i5-6400 2.7GHz Quad-Core Processor or RYzen 5. What's the difference and everything?

>>59962332
Seriously..?
The Ryzen 5 is just plain better. That's the difference.

>>59962332
One is outdated shit, the other is a Ryzen. h2h senpai.

Does anyone have any good CPU suggestions if I'm not looking to overclock anything? For basic gaming, not like 1440p and shit.

>>59962359
>Does anyone have any good CPU suggestions if I'm not looking to overclock anything? For basic gaming
1500x, 1600x, or 7700.

>>59962201
Fractal Design Core 2300 or Corsair 300R

>>59962328
>https://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/8GB-Sapphire-Radeon-RX-580-Nitro--Aktiv-PCIe-3-0-x16--Retail-_1167547.html
This one. The most quiet of the bunch.

>>59962185
They're all the same price where I'm at.

>>59962359
1600X. But you really should man up and OC a 1600, Nancy.

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>>59962206
>Loud ass fan.
Well maybe that won't be so bad. I already have a fan running all the time in my room and wear headphones 95% of the time.

Got a source for this info?

>>59962399
>This one. The most quiet of the bunch.
Cool, quiet and high clock, but also inefficient as shit and 235W TDP. Maybe undervolting will help?

>>59962459
undervolting the rx480 helped, performance even increased

>>59962486
Do you think i can get that card down to not completely retarded power draw?

>>59962439
It's the same exact fan used on lower TDP cards.
You could probably undervolt it and still stay stable at those higher clocks, though.
Or if you're on a 60hz monitor, just use vsync and that'll help.

But for a further source, DigitalFoundry's youtube video. The MSI was just louder and slower.

>>59962508
Yes. It's a process that's more efficient than the RX480s used. They're just too overclocked.
Undervolt and put it to the same 1266Mhz and it'll use significantly less power.

>>59962508
only if you're autistic enough to find that knife edge of stability that comes with undervolting
enjoy this article
http://www.legitreviews.com/amd-radeon-rx-480-undervolting-performance_183699

>When running the AMD Radeon RX 480 8GB reference card at default settings (1136mV) we had an overall score of 67.25 FPS when we averaged our runs together with the built-in DX12 benchmark for Rise of The Tomb Raider. When we repeated the test we found that our performance and undervolted Power State 6 and Power State 7 to 1050MV we found that the performance went up! We went from 67.25 FPS to 69.59 FPS. This 3.5% performance gain isn’t massive by any means, but we were able to get a measurable difference in performance and that is exciting.

>>59962559
>>59962574
Maybe i just get a 1060, it's actually cheaper and performs better than this shitty rebrand. Near 300W TDP for a midrange GPU my ass.

Is there any reason to get the R5 1500X over the 1400?

Can't I just overclock the 1400 to get the same clock speed?

>>59962744
L3 cache size
16MB vs 8MB can make a pretty big difference

>>59962744
1400s are from a shitty bin. Lots of people having trouble getting RAM faster than 2666 running on them.
1500X is worth the 20bux. I'd only get a 1400 if it was way cheaper.

>>59962735
220w is not "near 300".
The 1060s perf/watt is definitely better, but the RX580 outperforms it on average and especially with most newer games.

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Good enough for 580?

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Does Windows benefit from a fresh install every so many number of years? I'm not the brightest, but I am reasonably confident I haven't gotten any malware/other shit on my computer. It's basically been a TF2 machine for the past 3 years.

Is a re-installation worth the trouble?

>>59962816
depends on the monitor
it would drive 1080@60 just fine I'm sure

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>>59962824
Yep, it does. That's Windows for you.

>>59962816
4c/4t stutters pretty bad on some games from the past few years even at 5ghz.
You won't get a stable 60 minimum on everything.
Maybe get a 3770k and sell your 3570k?

>finally graduating uni this semester after 4 years of being poorfag college kid
>my current pc I built in 2011
thinking of finally upgrading, most likely mid-late summer. would a (used) 1080 and a 1600x work well together?

>>59962788
I know and i really, really want a XFX 480/580 GTR or Sapphire 580, but imho 6+8pin is just mental and i don't really want to support this insanity.
One of the reasons i chose Ryzen ovef Intel is it's efficiency, which will go out the window with such a GPU.

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Just bought pic related, how'd I do

Also, fuck me for not taking tax and some other shit into consideration

also, >tfw no windows 10 yet

>>59962970
meant to add, how do I put this together and not fuck up everything?

[spoiler]its my first build[/spoiler]

>>59962970
Hey my build is almost exactly the same except i got 2x4gb of 2667 ram.

>>59962935
Yeah, but Nvidia GPU with Ryzen isn't a great option since Nvidia drivers making stuttering and shit.

Vega should be much lower power.

>>59962970
Like it's been said, that MSI has a loud fan and it doesn't perform as well as other models. You could have gotten the Aorus for that I think.
You also probably should have went with a 1440p monitor.
The rest is okay.

>>59961098
>needing 1060 for WOW
are you retarded?

the 1060 has as much purpose as the i3s right now. maybe update it to "mostly useless"

>>59962994
>Like it's been said, that MSI has a loud fan and it doesn't perform as well as other models. You could have gotten the Aorus for that I think.
That's all they had at Fry's, and I wanted to buy in person. Is it going to be a big issue or just if we're getting nitpicky?

>You also probably should have went with a 1440p monitor.
Eh, I didn't want to spend ~$80 more at the moment for that. A new monitor is something I can get ezpz later if I want.

>>59962991
>Hey my build is almost exactly the same except i got 2x4gb of 2667 ram.
nice

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>>59960262
looking to upgrade my main desktop. Im probably gonna go with a gpu upgrade, which card would best fit my build?

>>59962935
6+8 is completely optional. It was included just for the sake of it. You don't have to use both.

>>59962824
use portable programs if you can
also don't use windows update

>>59963025
Everything there is pretty bad. You'd need to start over.
What's your case and PSU?
Try putting a new build together with pcpartpicker and fill in what you can salvage like those things

>>59963048
Yeah, I was pretty sure 8+6 was there mainly for overclockers.

>>59963025
You could get reasonable use out of a 4GB RX470, but I definitely wouldn't get anything more than that.

>>59963025
>AMD CPU
Now would be a good time for a CPU upgrade.

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Go wild:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/7ptjCy

Some notes:
>It's for work in software development + some VM + gaming.
>For the GPU I'm gonna wait for Vega to make a choice. For now my 680 will have to do it.
>I'm set on the 1600X because I want to OC it as high as possible as single-threaded performance is still important for me and I planned on getting a cooler anyway.
>Please focus criticism on the mobo and RAM. I need sugestions on that front as I plan on keeping it for future CPU upgrades. Also, is this PSU good enough?

>>59962976
>how do I put this together and not fuck up everything?
Watch youtube PC build videos if you're more the visual type.
They include manuals with the parts you bought you know.

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>amazon charges tax while no one else does
what a shit jew site

>>59963072
Add another cpu cooler fan for cpu_opt since you're overclocking

>>59963076
>Watch youtube PC build videos if you're more the visual type.
>They include manuals with the parts you bought you know.
yeah I figured as much.

Just gotta find when I can go to a PX and get Win10 tax free

>>59963025
Well, let's get the obvious out the way, you're 1080p gaming. The 470 is the 1080 card to use, however, everything about your build is shit and I don't know if you'd be able to get smooth gameplay with that cpu/ram. Your PSU probably sucks, too. You got a lot of work to do if you want to game.

>>59963059
>Yeah, I was pretty sure 8+6 was there mainly for overclockers.
Absolutely, and for those that hit the silicon lottery, really.

>>59963084
Depends on your state. Taxes have nothing to do with Amazon. Sales tax is state, not federal. What defines whether you pay sales tax online or not is whether the business has a warehouse in your state to ship to. If they don't, then it becomes your responsibility to pay the sales tax on that purchase when you file your state income taxes. Most people don't do that. For example, I live in CA so one of the only retailers I don't get taxed with is B&H.

>>59963093
Or you could just pirate it. It's simple. Just install the legal version but don't put in the key. The crack everyone uses is called KMSpic

>>59963072
Get the 550w of that model. Isn't it still only $50 or did that sale end?
You don't need 650W even for Vega.

>>59962976
Your motherboard box literally includes a guide on how to put the whole PC together.

Just read it instead of doing dumb shit and putting your DIMMs in the wrong slots and getting locked to 2133.

>>59963119
>Or you could just pirate it. It's simple. Just install the legal version but don't put in the key. The crack everyone uses is called KMSpic
I mean, is it a really good idea to do that or is it a >muh free win10 circlejerk?

>>59963121
>Your motherboard box literally includes a guide on how to put the whole PC together.
>Just read it instead of doing dumb shit and putting your DIMMs in the wrong slots and getting locked to 2133.
Okay good. I should be fine

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Thoughts on this build?

>tfw mid-low range entry level gaming PC is $1500 in Canada

Feels bad man, in the USA you could buy this for $750

>>59963131
>I mean, is it a really good idea to do that or is it a >muh free win10 circlejerk?
I don't see why this is an issue unless you're a moralfag. The choice is yours.

>>59963089
Already have it.

>>59963121
>Get the 550w
Those prices don't reflect on my country, sorry.

I think 550w is a little risky. I usually consider a worst case scenario of 3 or 4 HDDs, multiple USB devices, a future CPU (probably more powerful), more RAM DIMMs, etc.

I want a bit of headroom.

Hey guys someone posted this build yesterday

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NCCR6X

and said that it is would be fine for 1080p gaming. Is this true? What would this game average in a modern game (like Overwatch) on high settings? Atleast 60? Also do you think it could handle the new Red Dead Redemption on high settings (atleast 60 also)?

Also should i get a Ryzen 1600x or just the 1600 like the build says. Does that motherboard come with a wireless internet adapter or do i need to buy a wifi card separately? And is that a big enough power supply?

Im completely clueless as this is my first computer i would be making. Id like to just get an i7 with a NVIDIA 1080 but im going to school and really dont have much to spend plus reading this thread has me thinking that just because theyre new games they dont necessarily require new hardware.

Again, sorry if these are stupid questions.

>>59963149
>I don't see why this is an issue unless you're a moralfag. The choice is yours.
I mean I torrent things from time to time, but never something like windows.

>>59963139
>mid-low
I wouldn't consider 1440 low-mid. That's solid mid-range, with the 580 hovering around upper-mid range. So cheer up a little, that'd be about a grand in America.

>tomahawk
Been hearing bad things about it. As weird as it sounds, the cheaper ASRocks would do better. Or the Gaming 3. Whichever is cheaper in Canada Land. They'll both OC your 1600 to 3.8-3.9 no problem.

>580
Perhaps you should try a 480. Near same performance and it might save you a lot of money. Don't know. But 310 is ridiculous.

>case
The Fractal Define S has a good sale for 70$ here. Maybe 100$ for you? Or do you really need a full tower instead of a large mid tower?

>fully modular
Any particular reason why someone who is complaining about prices is going fully-mod? Semi mod is just fine for most people.

>>59963172
This is safer than torrenting really because you use the official install but just crack it. It's dummy proof.

KMSpico is pretty good cuz it also lets you get MS Office.

>>59963139
more like $950ish in the USA.
That price for an RX580 in Canada is not bad at all.
And yeah, that's not really a "mid-low" build. You could play 1440p with that.

>>59963155
It's not risky at all. OC'd 1600+vega won't draw over 450 in the worst case.
550w IS headroom.

>>59963169
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NCCR6X
You can get an RX570 for $170 instead. And yes, that's all you need for 1080p gaming.
RX470 is what you get when they're on sale for $130 or less, which makes them an amazing deal, but they're not as fast.

>Also should i get a Ryzen 1600x or just the 1600 like the build says
If you're a huge pussy and don't want to try to overclock, and just want to run it stock, then sure get the 1600X as it's much better on stock clocks but hardly better OC'd.

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>>59963191
>>59963210
I was thinking if I'm going to spend $1500 for a mid range PC I may as well spend $2000 and get an R7 1700, X370 motherboard, and a nvidia 1070 GPU

I intend for this PC to last at least 5 years at minimum so an extra $500 isn't that big of a deal, right now I only use 1080p but want to use 1440p in the future

>>59963210
I have no idea how to overclock. I was just always told it could fuck up your computer. Idk if its easy i wouldnt mind doing it if theres no harm for the CPU.

Il change it to a 570. Are there versions of those cards that are better than others? Like i now that EVGA MSI and GIGABYTE make versions of NVIDIA cards and some are better than others. Do they do that for AMD cards?

>>59963093
Get Microsoft Toolkit to activate 10. It's on mydigitallife.

>>59963139
>Tomahawk
It's like you want to take a hatchet to your CPU. Don't do this. Also it's overpriced garbage.

>>59963210
>OC'd 1600+vega won't draw over 450 in the worst case.
Yes, but those are not the only components on a computer. 5 years from now I might have populated all 4 DDR4 DIMMs, have 3 or 4 HDDs, have 5 USB devices connected, 5 fans in my case, and future GPUs/CPUs I upgrade to might demand more power.

>>59963172
You don't torrent windows 10 unless it's LTSB N which isn't available anywhere except for MSDN enterprise subscriptions. You can just take the normal Microsoft pro ISO and activate it with the toolkit.

>>59963121
>Get the 550w of that model. Isn't it still only $50 or did that sale end?
Sale is over. Yesterday was the last day.

>>59963169
That was me, and I stand by it. Although, you could get the 570 now and have a little more headroom for upcoming games. Not worth much more money. I made that build before the 570 came out, and I'd recommend a 570 now unless you're on a tight budget (or find an amazing sale on the 470, which doesn't seem to be happening).

>mobo
No wireless. If you want one, buy a Wifi adapter or pay extra for a mobo with one. It'll have other benefits, so the mobo would be worth it.

>PSU
Of course it is, but it is no longer on sale, sadly. I haven't hunted around for an alternative yet. Still recommend it. Just got in the mail and can't wait to use it.

>i7 and 1080
Only worth if if you're 4k, and even then, the 1080TI isn't even enough for stable 60fps.

>>59963172
If by morals, I used to feel that way until Win10 botnetted me. I plan to go Linux finally and VirtualBox Win10. Sad, because Win7 won me over so hard. If by risk, Microsoft has better things to do then worry about you. And I doubt they're dumb enough to risk harming their brand by hunting pirates.

>>59963246
>1070
Please just wait for Vega. The 1070 is really not worth the price. If you can't, be happy with a 580 8GB and spend extra on a solid model (not sure yet on that, Red Devil is looking good). It will give you 60fps on 1440p, as long as you don't max your ultra (which does nothing for you, really). The 1600 is good enough for 1440p (your GPU will be the bottleneck) and the mobo is really not necessary unless you want the other features it comes with.

>5 years
No GPU will last that long currently.

>>59963266
>>59963196
http://www.windowscentral.com/you-do-not-need-activate-windows-10
can i just use the demo for a while?

>>59963310
Yeah. I don't see why you're so afraid of the crack though.

>>59963246
Meh. RX580 nearly matches the 1070 on a good deal of newer games.
Better to save the money and upgrade to Vega/Volta/Navi later.

>>59963249
It's not as easy as some people make it out to be. It's not as easy as overclocking your GPU which is easy as fuck.
It can take days to dial in well since it takes lots of testing, lots of restarting, lots of crashing.
But you can do a "loose" overclock that's higher voltage than you ideally need for a given frequency in an hour or two.

>>59963279
Tomahawk is actually good for its price. It's MSI's high price motherboards that are garbage for the price since they're essentially the Tomahawk with hardly any improvements.
The problem is just that some Tomahawk's seem to be lemons. But the ones that work are good.

>>59963249
I'm not sure what the best RX570s are. Probably avoid MSI and avoid PowerColor that's not Red Devil (but Red Devil are very good). Probably avoid ASUS too unless it's a Strix one.
Can't go wrong with Sapphire, they are essentially Zotac, or XFX, but depends on price as well.

>>59963298
oh boy. 4 entire DIMMs to lower performance over dual channel while only marginally increasing power consumption.
550W is fine.
A 5390k with 4 DIMMs and and an RX470 is only 225watt peak consumption. Same system with Vega is probably only 100-150watt higher. A system with Ryzen and 2 DIMMs (which is the most you should use) will be lower.
HDDs don't use much power except when they first fucking spin up.

>>59963304
Is there another motherboard you would recommend that has wireless?

>>59963310
Activate it with toolkit. Otherwise your autism will flare up looking at the activate 10 spiel at the bottom right of the screen.

>>59963323
>>59963344
I'll see how I feel. Might end up cracking.

>>59963342
>Is there another motherboard you would recommend that has wireless?
The cheapest one. Currently, the ASRocks X370.

>>59963341
>(which is the most you should use)
How are supposed to upgrade from 16 to 32GB in a few years? The DIMM slots exist for upgradability.

Don't tell me AMD will not have ironed out the RAM incompatibility problems until then...

Do you consider this PSU calculator unreliable? Because according to it I should get something above 550W.
http://outervision.com/power-supply-calculator

>>59963429
>How are supposed to upgrade from 16 to 32GB in a few years
Sell the 2x8GB and get 2x16GB.
Running 4 DIMMs will be significantly slower in games and some applications.

>Don't tell me AMD will not have ironed out the RAM incompatibility problems until then
It's the same shit for Intel on a dual channel platform.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KKPMgL

What do you guys think? Anything you would change?

>>59963429
>How are supposed to upgrade from 16 to 32GB in a few years
Incredibly unlikely that 32gb will be needed.

>>59963488
sandisk and seagate are shit

Posting in an AMD shill thread

>>59963429
>Do you consider this PSU calculator unreliable? Because according to it I should get something above 550W.
>http://outervision.com/power-supply-calculator
No. Seems accurate. I put in my PC, and I have a watt meter, and it said 383 which is roughly correct.
Recommended 433watts, which is reasonable.

Are you looking at the VA instead of wattage?
Or are you going by their overblown recommendation that's over 40% higher than what you use? Because it recommended a 550 to me when a 450 or 420 would be good.

>>59963488
>Anything you would change?
I'd remove the cooler. The stock cooler is fine. If you want to OC like a mad man, you'd need a better cooler. The stock cooler is fine up to 3.9ghz. They aren't Intel stocks...

>mobo
Why do you need an expensive mobo? Definitely not for SLI...

>2400 ram
>ryzen
At least 3000 senpai.

>storage
Terrible brands. Very bad reliability.

>evga
>fully mod
No.

>>59963523
Better to shill for cheaper and superior products than to shill for more expensive and inferior products.

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Hey friends. I am considering an upgrade to my current PC, but I don't know where to start. What would you suggest?

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/36DBJV

Already have an ssd. Anything wrong with this? Want to max out games at 1440p/144hz.

>>59963542
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/36DBJV
Looks good.

You obviously won't hit 144 min on all games just because they're shittily programmed, but yeah.

>>59963535

Starting from scratch.

What do you do with it?

>>59963534
>superior
Ok bub. Whatever you have to tell yourself. Ill be here with my 7700k

>>59963542
Why not get a 7700k?

>>59963572
Post idle temps so we can have a laugh.

>>59963594
52 right now. Why do you ask?

>>59963593
Not worth the delid when it OCs 99% the same.

>>59963569
I have some CAD/CAM programs I use for work, but mainly I would be using it to game with. Its been about 5 years since I had this one built for me. Is anything in my pc worth keeping for the next build? I have a AMD Radeon HD 7800 Series graphics card that seems to still run ok..

I've got a pretty high-end build designed for gaming, but since I don't really do that much any more, I've been considering downgrading to something a little less powerful and a lot smaller size-wise. My current build is as follows:

Gigabyte z97x - gaming 7 motherboard
16 gb G.SKILL Ripjaws ddr3 ram
I7 4790k CPU
MSI 980ti GPU
Corsair h100i v2 CPU cooler
Corsair rm850i PSU
1tb WD HDD
250gb Samsung 850 EVO SSD

There's nothing wrong with this build, however the issue is it takes up so much room on the desk and I really don't need all the power anymore. I plan to make my next PC a mid-high end mini itx build.

>>59963535
I'd suggest you install speccy and show us the full build, not just two parts.

>>59963542
>ax out game 1440/144hz
You know you will never get 144fps on modern games, right? I'll assume so based on hz instead of FPS. Just want to make sure.

For max FPS on a 1440p, you're pretty spot on. Too bad Intels are stuttery and Ryzen+Nvidia has issues. Lesser of two evils and there's no AMD card powerful enough for 100fps+ 1440p.

>>59963572
>Ill be here with my 7700k
Did you delid it yet? Or did you bribe the fire marshal to sign it off?

>>59963606
>52C
>idle temp
So bribery it is.

>>59963610
Well the 1050ti is mini itx...

>>59963607
I didnt delid mine

Core i5-6400 vs Ryzen 5 1600 vs AMD FX-8350 . Which is best for a casual gamer build?

>>59963610
I wouldnt call this high end

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>>59963629
Good idea. Here it is

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>>59963606
>52 right now. Why do you ask?
Get yourself a Noctua DH-15 right now.

>>59961863
https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/tbtc7h

>>59963650
Enjoy your fire.

>>59963662
You'll have to upgrade everything eventually, but a good place to start would be the mobo and the CPU.

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Straight up, no memeing, is the 7600k not good? It looks to be doing really good in benchmarks and I'm pretty happy I got one, but the OP says they aren't worthwhile. Should I wait for the next iteration of 1151 chips?

Also r8 my build currently

>>59963629
Yeah, I was considering the 1050ti, but I still think I'd like a little more power than that if I ever decide to play the occasional game I'm thinking about the 1060 or even the rx580. I also run a dual 4k display and a single 1080p display for regular usage activities (I obviously won't be playing games on dual 4k monitors)
>>59963660
it was high-end when I built it, dumbass. It's still completely capable to push great frames, especially since I only ever played games on a 1080p 144hz monitor.

>>59963072
>go wild
Set a budget. Otherwise im gonna put a quadro on that list

>>59963698
Too late for regrets if you already have it.
Get a better cooler.

>>59963659
is this a serious question..?

>>59963606
52C idle temp holy shit lmao.
I hope you're not the guy that was actually asked, and just someone throwing out a number to make him look bad for wasting money on something that idles at 45-55C like that.

>>59963610
You could probably sell the motherboard+ram+cpu+gpu+psu+case+cooler and have money left over after getting a mITX build, yeah.

Well Ryzen is the ideal hobbyist thing since it can run so many VMs and shit, but there's no mITX until June it looks like.
How much lower end are you looking? G4560?
So small that it's just the mITX motherboard and cpu with integrated graphics, or do you want a dGPU?
1050Ti is good because it can run off PCIe power alone with no 6pin.
Sapphire has come out with a mITX RX570 that's over 50% more powerful and probably around the same price, but it needs a 6pin power connector.

>>59963701
what case are you using for your desktop that it takes up so much space?

>>59963704
don't forget the poptarts

>>59963701
I have a n64 but thats not high end. Even if it was when i bought it

>>59963698
It's good if you have one. It's just not worth the price.

Your build is low-tier.

>>59963659
>Core i5-6400 vs Ryzen 5 1600 vs AMD FX-8350 . Which is best for a casual gamer build?
1600.

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>>59963701
RX580 is too much power for a little mITX build. And too large.
Check out the sapphire mITX RX570.
Should still be enough for 1060p 60fps in 99% of games, and that other 1% you just need to drop a setting or so, but very small.

There are also small mATX cases.
Even ATX ones.. like the Cooler Master Elite 360.
I was looking at the Jonsbo VR2 in the future myself. I'm right there with you in hating how stupidly large of a case I got.

>>59963713
I'm using a corsair c70 case. I chose it because of its all-steel design since I absolutely hate cheap plastic, but now it's just become a bit of an obstacle. I'd like to downscale to a Lian Li PC-Q25

>>59963725
a 980ti is still a fairly high-end GPU. It's about equivalent to a 1070 in terms of game performance.

>>59963756
No its not mr 2011

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anyone have a small formfactor case? torn between an h55 aio or a big shuriken/cryorig c7. Stock cooler was reaching 80c + under load so that's not going to work. currently have an h75 on my r9 290

>>59963787
holy shit that's really packed in

>>59963754
>RX580 is too much power for a little mITX build. And too large.
The size shouldn't be a problem since the mITX case I've chosen supports full sized GPUs

>>59963778
Are you actually retarded? The 980ti came out in June 2015. Quit being a cunt.

>>59963072
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Tqsy7h
I would advise against the H7 because currently there are no AM4 kits

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Alright so I'm planning on building my PC in mid May and here is what I have so far.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZL2nr7

Purpose:
>Emulation (Dolphin, PCSX2)
>Light video editing (I'm talking rendering 480p-720p videos)
>Bayonetta 1
>Dead Rising 1
>Resident Evil 5/6

I'm weary because my friend mentioned most optimizations are for Nvidia cards so I was wondering if I could get some more thoughts on this build?

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My 3570k/680 gaymen/work machine recently suffered failure via...uh, excess moisture.

...mainly in the form of mountain dew being dropped right onto the top venting exhaust fan.

Putting together a new build,

WOULD YOU CHANGE ANYTHING, assuming the total cost of $900 minus the GPU is budget?

Want to drop the samsung SSD like a rock for the Intel 600p, but benchmarks show it just fucking crushing the competition so hard it's worth the premium.

(not pictured: rx 570, released today, check anandtech for review)

>>59963800
Forgot to mention my budget was ~700 USD but I'm not afraid of going ~800.

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>>59963698
Yes. The i5-7600k is straight-up not good.
It stutters under 60fps on so many games even at a 5GHz overclock, which is ridiculous. >>59962851

It's not just a handful of outlier games. It's almost a majority of AAA games from the past 3 years.

>>59963795
Eh well alright. May as well just stick with the 980Ti. Isn't it quite power efficient and shit?

>>59963787
Uhh shuriken won't fit in something like that, will it? Isn't it like 70mm tall?

>>59963800
Get at least 2800 RAM and get an RX570 4GB instead.

>>59963816
Don't get Artic Silver 5. Get NT-H1, CP7 or something equivalent.
And some people are having trouble with those boards being lemons. When they work they're fine, but meh.
And don't get NVMe unless it's for a scratch disk. It hardly affects boot or load times.

>>59963800
get yourself an SSD
also for some reason on my RX 480 when playing Bayonetta 1 the first time around I get 4k 60fps as default resolution

>>59963816
Not mentioned: gaming wise this will just be for 1080p.

Stupid question. My current computer sports an HDD and a haswell chip, with windows 7. I'm upgrading to a ryzen build soon. If I buy an SSD and install windows 10 on it and use it with my current hardware before I upgrade, will there be problems if I just want to plop the SSD into the new build later on?

>>59963836
Yes, driver problems.

>>59963828
>Eh well alright. May as well just stick with the 980Ti.
I suppose I could just hold on to it, but I'm wondering whether It would be worth my while selling it and buying a newer, cooler, more efficient, and less powerful GPU. Is there any point in doing this?

>>59963750
I see. I got one when the r7 was on preorder and I realized the cost of Release r7 prices weren't with the hit to my wallet as the price of the i5 combo I found. Upgraded from an fx6300 so it was night and day for me.

Also damn right it'd be at least mid tier or upper mid.

>>59963705
Yeah I should desu, the hyper t4 is hanging in there, I don't see above like 65c on load. I think I might jump to the cryorig h7 or maybe an aio? I hear aios are shit though

>>59963850
No, since DX11 is still king among AAA. Vulkan and DX12 are still experiencing slow adoption, no thanks to Nvidia.

>>59963800
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4LD6d6

>>59963828
>And don't get NVMe unless it's for a scratch disk. It hardly affects boot or load times.
Having built several computers with them for customers, and seeing Windows 10 boot times go from "a few seconds" to "literally don't get to see the windows logo or loading circle"

I disagree

That being said I'm more interested in faster load times in games, loading screens suck.

If I have to compromise in any area it will be there though, I appreciate the advice.


I'll switch the paste and consider another motherboard, and recommendations? (I"m primarily concerned with making sure the memory will run at 3k, I know people have had issues)

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>>59963114
>>59963064
>>59963063
>>59963059
is this a good upgrade for the whole rig? Im still not sure which GPU i should get. I already own the monitor, case, and PSU just have those in to check compatibility.

>>59963862
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4LD6d6
>BLACK
Caviar Blue 1TB is cheaper.
Also pick an SSD from this list. >>59963828

>>59963869
No, it's not. You could get a Ryzen for that price.

>>59963857
Okay then. Thanks for the tips, mate. That'll save me a bit of hassle.

>>59963800
1600 + 1050ti or 1060, depending on budget. Sad, because the 1006 is so overpriced. Get yourself decent RAM, too., and a SSD. I'll see if I can get you a solid build for cheaper than 800.

>>59963828
>>59963832
>>59963862
>Get at least 2800 RAM and get an RX570 4GB instead.
AMD GPU is not happening for him on PCSX2.


>>59963867
No benchmarks support your claims unless you think all SSD's are nvmes...

>>59963869
Read the OP.

>>59963880
>AMD GPU is not happening for him on PCSX2.
What? I can play my JRPGs just fine on an rx480.

>>59963828
I haven't experienced the stutter you mention yet, most games I've been playing have been playing have been silky smooth, aside from really shit optimized ones.

>>59963854
I meant to type damn I thought it'd be upper mid. Phone posting is shit.

>>59963800
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GcYVyf

>>59963828
it'll fit. Just swapped out the fuckhuge hx850 for a 600w sfx. What i'm wondering is should i get a shuriken or pickup a cheap aio and stack that with the h75

>>59963867
I guess the multitude of reviewers that all see the 960 Pro NVMe as only 1.5% faster than the 850 Evo are lying shills.
I've looked at many reviews. All show the same thing.

>>59963850
It'd still hang onto the 980Ti unless it doesn't fit in your new smaller case.
If you just cap it to 60fps, its power draw shouldn't be so bad.

Idk I guess you could probably get more for it than an 8GB RX580 costs, but I'm pretty sure the 980Ti is still faster in a few games and hardly uses more power.
Andandtech puts it at about 27-53 watts less for the RX580 depending on the model.

>>59963869
Don't gimp yourself trying to hold onto the DDR3 RAM. Just sell your RAM and shit.
That build is a terrible waste of money.

>>59963872
>not liking black
Meme
>but seriously. Black has better performance i have heard (no meme)

>>59963911
The shuriken is a lot better than the C7.
C1 is more compareable, but I think the shuriken is still better.

C7 is for super tiny cases since it's only like 57mm tall or something.

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>>59963880
>I'll see if I can get you a solid build for cheaper than 800.
I'd greatly appreciate it. I'm utterly hopeless at this shit.

>>59963889
solid $700 build.
Though I'd get a 500GB SSD instead.
That ADATA one is on sale for like $121+tax from Jet.

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>>59963880
>No benchmarks support your claims unless you think all SSD's are nvmes...

I have no benchmarks except what my eyes have seen when comparing SATA3 SSDs such as the 850 EVO to a few NVME systems.

Tell you what, when I do make this build I'll do basic windows 10 installations on a brand new 850 EVO and the NVME 960, and post results in whatever general is up.


>>59963919
>I guess the multitude of reviewers that all see the 960 Pro NVMe as only 1.5% faster than the 850 Evo are lying shills.

What the hell are you talking about? Are you comparing 850 EVO NVME to 960 PRO NVME? Because I'm not.

>>59963886
Did they fix all the issues? Last I checked, a lot of games suffered from terrible OpenGL support.

>>59963800
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2nHksJ
Investigate AMD issues. I hate to say it, but this board's fanboyism can be bias in the rare cases it might be an issue. If there's no issues emulating with AMD, please use a 570/580 instead.

>>59963939
See above. It is cheaper than 800. Don't worry about the HDD, by the time you fill it up, HDD will be even cheaper and you will have extra money to spend. You could also get the 500gb version of the SSD if it turns out AMD is fine and stay in budget.

>>59963944
>I have no benchmarks except what my eyes have seen when comparing SATA3 SSDs such as the 850 EVO to a few NVME systems.
Anecdotal evidence is not an argument.

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>>59963960
>Last I checked, a lot of games suffered from terrible OpenGL support.
I'm not running shit past 60fps or 30fps according to what game intended, so no problems here.

>>59963960
>Anecdotal evidence is not an argument.
Hence why I will make a comparison of the boot times, in an attempt to prove my point.

>>59963880
>AMD GPU is not happening for him on PCSX2.
Oh fo fucks sake. Some people still spreading this. Ryzen does PCSX 2 fine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87qPFRyDtSY

The only emulator I've seen it struggle on is Cemu, which is Cemu.

>>59963960
>Last I checked, a lot of games suffered from terrible OpenGL support.
Some use DX11.
There is the software mode which works fine on a lot of games, but not all. But those games it doesn't work fine on seems to have dx11 or opengl support?

>>59963944
>Are you comparing 850 EVO NVME to 960 PRO NVME
There is no 850 NVMe, you tard.
also
>showing a synthetic test
zzz.
In real world tests, there is virtually no difference.
The only time you see a big improvement is using it as a scratch disk for productive use. Not going to argue it anymore since you clearly have no clue what you're talking about and have nothing to back up what you're saying.

>>59963944
Having to rely on a synthetic test to try and prove your point really shows how wrong you were.

>>59964004
>>59963960
After you pointed out I was showing only synthetic benchmarks (even though they show a huge difference), I realized I had seen absolutely zero benchmarks for things like load times, and had simply assumed they would be faster, as that should be the bottleneck in loading the game.


This was incorrect, and having done more research you are correct: in game loading times they seem to make almost no difference.

I thank you, I will save my money and go with a larger 1TB SATA3 SSD instead.

>>59964004
>Oh fo fucks sake. Some people still spreading this. Ryzen does PCSX 2 fine.
Did I say CPU? AFAIK, CEMU doesn't suffer from AMD CPUs, either. It just demands high single core performance which Ryzen has.

>There is the software mode which works fine on a lot of games, but not all. But those games it doesn't work fine on seems to have dx11 or opengl support?
I'm aware. I'm also aware software hits performance hard, but PSCx2 may be better optimized then when I played it years ago.

>>59964056
Yeah... it's definitely better now.
Dolphin will run on a G4560 and integrated graphics at 60fps+ most of the time, too.

It's literally just Cemu that doesn't do well on Ryzen right now, dropping to 20FPS or less a lot, which I'd hope the developer would focus on. The WiiU CPU is absurdly weak, after all.
A ton of improvement could be made just from setting the right compiler flags, but it's closed source.

>>59964053
>I will save my money and go with a larger 1TB SATA3 SSD instead.
Good choice.

>>59964053
on another note: were there any recommendations for a different motherboard?

>>59963828
I'm just worried about getting the RAM to work at the rated speeds, I know there were a lot of concerns from reviewers that they couldn't get their kits to run above 2400mhz, and it seems ryzen really likes memory bandwidth for whatever reason.

>>59964110
That was day1.
I'm rarely seeing anyone that can't do worse than at least 2800 now except for cases of user error. 2933 and 3200 is very common now.

People are doing shit like not enabling automatic RAM profiles, putting them in the wrong slots, not attempting to manually input speeds and timings (or slightly loser ones), etc.

My mobo instruction manual says:

>"Support for DDR4 2667/2400/2133 Mhz memory modules"

I have DDR4 3200 MHZ. Am I going to be okay? It's the Gigabyte GA-AB350-Gaming 3

>>59964183
Yes. That's just what the CPU officially supports. The mobo supports higher as an overclock, and has features to automatically overclock.

But make sure you read the part where it says which slots to put your 2 DIMMs in.

>>59964203
Okay cool. I was gon a be upsetti spaghetti if /pcbg/ and r/buildapc got me to get 3200mhz ram and it didn't work

>>59964218
The worst that would happen is that the RAM downclocks itself.

>>59964218
It should at least run 2933 for now, and you may have to manually clock for that, if your BIOS isn't good enough yet to run the advertised speeds.
But Ryzen seems to not care about memory latency as much as Intel CPUs do, so that's easy.

Hey call me stupid, but I install the cpu to the mobo before putting the mobo into the case yeah?

>>59964283
....yes?

>>59964283
Yes stupid, you do that first. Enjoy the CREEEEAAAAK and the CRRRRAAAAAK sounds of the little lever snapping into place.

>>59964300
The mobo manual talks about turning off the computer before installing the cpu so I got a little confused but that's what I thought.

>>59964283
Test it ontop of the mobo box to see that it POSTs first.

>>59964314
Yeah don't fucking plug the PSU cables into the mobo with the PSU turned ON.

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Any reason to not go pic related? I'm selling my 6700k and z170 ROG board. Moving my existing 32GB of ddr4 over. I do gaming, video encoding, video editing, and photo editing as well on the side. I know the board is over priced considering B350 alternatives, but it has all the features I want. Namely number of sata ports, USB ports, power phases, and m.2 slot location.

Is the r7 1700 a solid option for its $320 price tag? All reviews on Ryzen in general seem to be great and I see quite a few people getting the non X 1700's up to 4.0ghz stable on all 16 threads.

>>59964359
>video encoding, video editing, and photo editing as well on the sid
>it has all the features I want
That's all that really matters. Go for it.

>a couple days ago people were greenlighting EVGA PSUs
>today a couple of people are discouraging it and saying fully modular is bad
huh?

>>59964369
Fully modular is paying more for shit that isn't going to help you in any way. The only people who benefit from fully mod aren't in /pcbg/ asking for advice on what PSU to get.

>>59964369
I'd recommend semi-modular, but not say that fully is "bad".
There doesn't appear to be any other good PSU sales like the 550RM that was $50, so eh.

Is that not a good indication that /pcbg/ is working as intended? Prices changed over a couple of days so recommendations have changed. If it's $67 for a semi-modular and someone has a $78 fully modular I'm not going to say anything and others aren't either since it's an $11 difference instead of $35 difference.

>>59964369
Tbh all of computer stuff is a meme do what you want

Cpu, motherboard and gpu combo for 1080p vidya on high/very high?

>>59964397
Well what has changed is that the SeaSonic 550W sale ended...so shouldn't the opposite be happening?

>>59964415
When the sale was going on, the 550 was massively recommended and any EVGAs were frowned upon. Not sure what fucked up threads you were in.

Would it be idiotic to get the 1500x instead of the 1600 if the only thing I do with my system is non AAA gaming and recording guitar? The higher stock clocks are better for the not well threaded games I play and I don't want to get into OC'ing really.

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>>59964359

I can't do over 3.9ghz without absurd voltage right now (though I need to do some testing with BLCK overclocking) at best i'd get what, 200mhz out of the silicon? So i'm pretty happy.

Usinbg the crosshair as well (I wanted it for the AM3 mounting).

>>59964453
The 1500X is fine, especially if you want something cheaper (even if not by much) and don't want to bother with overclocking.
Still a way better choice than an i5.

It's certainly less value than the 1600 overclocked, but it's not bad.

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Recently replaced my ailing 6 year old cooler Master V1000 power supply. It started having a coil whine, and then the sata power tree died. Figured it was time for a replacement. Bought pic related for $100 at microcenter. I should be good for a while right? I heard seasonic was good for power supplies. Some reviewer (johnnyguru or some shit), who does nothing but test power supplies gave it a 10/10 so it can't be terrible right?

>>59964359
Its only worth the upgrade if you can sell the Intel parts for a high price.

>>59964513

If jonnyguru says its good then you can be confident it is.

>>59964513
Seasonic Prime Titanum is among the best (if not the best) consumer PSUs.

>>59964476
good shit. Any problems with the ROG Crosshair? I see your RAM is only like 2600-ish Mhz. Any major performance issues in gaming? My current 32GB kit of ram is only 2400mhz but super low latency. Like CL12 compared to CL16 2800mhz ram.
>>59964545
full price return. My current motherboard is exhibiting issues. Randomly started giving me a post code error on the board LED indicator. I'm thinking the recently replaced PSU was the cause. I'm also >>59964513


I'd be claiming my warranty on my i7/board for full price since I can't use one without the other. $330 back for my i7 and $180 back for my board.

>>59964615
maki a shit. You're "queen" a slut.

>>59964615
Worst raibu.

>>59964615
worst girl
and you have the worst desktop

so i have never built a computer before so im sorry if this question is stupid. So will i have to download network drivers before i can start using the Ethernet port?

>>59964707
>So will i have to download network drivers before i can start using the Ethernet port?
Your mobo will come with a driver disc to install drivers. At least mine did. Or if you don't whatever OS you use will come with drivers.

>>59964707
if you're using and older version of Windows, sure. Windows 7 for instance didn't have ethernet drivers bundled in. Windows 10 (which is what you'll be using more than likely if you're building something with newer parts), it should have ethernet drivers included by default.

Most Linux installations have bundled drivers as well.

i bought an i7 7700 for $250, what motherboard should i buy. also psu.

>>59964738
>>59964728
the computer im building doesnt have a disc drive. im going to be using windows 10 education .i got a free copy of it from my school

>>59964769
Non-k 7700?

>>59964769
>7700 for $250

for literally what reason when an r5-1600X is giving similar performance on 6c/12t, with overclocking? Seriously. why?

>>59964779
make a windows 10 usb stick.

>>59964779
>education
yuck. Should be fine though.

>>59964803
yeah sry i forgot to mention i used the windows 10 creation tool from micrococks website. i got a free key from my school

>>59964811
it has all the features of window 10 enterprise but it has no cortana so im pretty happy

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>>59964608

>Any problems with the ROG Crosshair?

Noppe - I got mine after the bricking was fixed (BIOS 0902 onwards).

>I see your RAM is only like 2600-ish Mhz

Its a 3200mhz kit but isn't Samsung B-die nor is it currently on the QVL. It won't boot when set to anything higher than 2666mhz using the standard profiles but I can get more out of it with BLCK overclocking. Only dabbled in it but I did get 2735mhz working.

> Any major performance issues in gaming?

Works as I expect.

>My current 32GB kit of ram is only 2400mhz but super low latency. Like CL12 compared to CL16 2800mhz ram.

I'd be impressed getting that latency working (seriously that is amazing).

If you want some advice on the crosshiar hero go look at this. http://www.overclock.net/t/1624603/rog-crosshair-vi-overclocking-thread

>>59964782
>>59964802
goddammit pcbg. how much worse is it

>>59964858
The only point of 7700 is overclocking. Its inferior to cheaper Ryzen in every other way. And you bought a locked one.

>>59964858
this is a bad time to buy Intel unless it's budget intel

>>59964849
awesome. Thanks for the feedback. Feel more confident knowing I'm not buying a bad board from the word go. And yea my ram is rated for CL14/2400mhz but I got it as low as CL12. Booted fine, but didn't have the opportunity to mem-test it for 24 hours.

>>59964879
>>59964880
i just needed a replacement for a macbook doesn't it handle multitasking well
i'm not tryna max out my games exactly

Which GPU manufacturer has the best build quality/customer service? Looking into which RX 580 to get and I have no idea.

>>59964915
avoid sapphire then, non-existent customer service

did i do bad /g/

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jhFBJV

>>59964915
XFX has top notch cooling and PCB quality. I know nothing about their customer service.

>>59964939
Yes, 1600 is stricly better than 1500x and ANUS 480 sucks, they only fixed cooling in 580s.

>>59964939
looks ok to me, 1500X is 4 cores/8 threads, it just isn't called hyperthreading

>>59964899
not about maxing out games. It's about getting more performance, more processing threads, better stock cooler, and all for the same price.

Don't even get me started on the quality of B350 boards at the $85-$110 price range vs Intel boards in the same price bracket. Not even a contest. Lastly is the benefit of having a CPU with proper IHS. Proper fluxless solder. Not Intel's garbage thermal past under the lid.

>>59964769
cheapest z270 and some ddr 2800-3200 whichever is most reasonable price for what you get.
and idk some semi-modular 420-550w.

>>59964858
It's not much worse. You're much less likely to need to delid it simply because it's clocked lower. Whereas it seems people need to delid their 7700ks just to run them fucking stock all the time.

>>59964915
All my AMD GPUs have lasted forever so I've never had to deal with any company's support. :( But I know many are less lucky and haven't really heard anything about any having bad support besides ASUS.

>>59964615
Fuck off, Maki's a slut.

>>59964915
Powercolor is amazing honestly. My Powercolor PCS+ model r9 290X was defective with a fan starting to whine. They sent my back an r9 390X PCS+ and apology.

Not to mention their Devil line and their PCS+ lines are very very good. My PCS+ 390X was able to do 1400mhz and the GPU never broke 80C even under bench loads.

>>59964990
295x2 Red Devil 13 is probably the most over-the-top card I've ever seen.

>>59964990
>>59965000
Their Red Devil cards are good and I'd recommend them. But the Red Dragons usually seem to be bad.

>>59960262
I'm sorry if this is the wrong place to ask this. I bought a Powercolor 7970 for $50 several threads ago and come to ask if there's anything I should know about overclocking Tahiti chips (what's the average overclock for these chips, what voltages/temps are safe, etc.). Any help would be great, thanks.

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>>59965000
Isn't it? It's beautiful. 4x8pin requirement. Triple slot with a ridiculous cooler. AMD themselves said they don't recommend air cooling their 295x2 (hence the stock 120mm AiO). Powercolor said challenge accepted.

The custom PCB for the devil 13 is something to behold as well.

>>59964915
Aorus has the best cooling system for Nvidia cards so I guess they made something similar for 580 too.

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>>59965029
This type of stuff makes my nether regions tingle.

>>59964879
>Its inferior to cheaper Ryzen in every other way
Are there any tests with R5 vs 7700 non-k?

>>59965060
Maybe. I've yet to see one.

>>59964990
Was probablly going to get something around the $230 range so its either the Sapphire Pulse (currently sold out on Newegg) or the Gigabyte Aorus. How do either of those sound

>>59965049
Post the other side.

>>59965024
that's rather cheap. Good steal. Depends on the model of 7970 as well as cooling capabilities of said card. Try not to exceed 1.3v for tahiti.

My buddy had a non Ghz edition 7950 from Asus. We managed to flash it over to a 7970 with a BIOS flip, and got 1125mhz on the core with minor voltage bumps. Unless you got that card from a friend, there is a 99% chance your $50 7970 was used as a bitcoin miner for most if not all of its' life span. So take into consideration it might not last long.

>>59965024
1125-1180 is usual.
I got my MSI TF 7970 to 1325 on like 1.275v but it's a non-reference design with golden dies. This was using vrm heatsinks I added and a better artoc accelero cooler, though.

>>59965049
I'm expecting some sort of MCM layout with Navi. Could even come with Volta. Those are going to be sexy to see.

>>59965029
Those fans are a weird ass shape.

>>59965065
See if you can find a comparison review of the two.

>>59965131
I couldn't, which is why I'm asking here.

>>59965077
getting a rear pic of the PCB without the backplate was damned near impossible. Here is the best I could find.
>>59965065
I'd say Sapphire for quality and overall performance/aesthetics. Love sapphire stuff. Gigabyte cards always seemed so flimsy to me. But their Aorus line seems OK. Look up reviews on both.

Best build coming thru
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WVc2nn

>>59965144
Toshiba HDD? AIOs? Intel? Wtf is that shit.

>>59965136
I doubt anyone here has both cards senpai.

I've only seen one Aorus review and it didn't go over noise...
On paper, the Aorus looks like a great card to me and a great price. But Sapphire is definitely nice and a safe bet.

>>59965144
Needs more CPU coolers. You don't want it to overheat, do you?

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>>59965141
Here.

>>59965147
Whats wrong with aios?

>>59965176
They are pointless. And noisy. Tower coolers are better.

>>59965151
You do realize one is a gpu cooler, right?

>>59965185
>liquid cooling 1080
For what purpose?

>>59964879
7700 is better if you just want a gaymen machine

>>59965078
>>59965131
The model number I have is
AX7970 3GBD5-2DHV3 from Powercolor. At stock voltage of 1.175v, I got 1070/1425 though I haven't messed with the memory much yet. I currently have at 1105/1425 @ 1.219v. The guy I bought it from was selling it since he upgraded to an RX 480.

>>59965194
7700 at stock is barely better than Ryzen and its a corelet.

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It's j-just a rebrand goys

>>59965185
>Deepcool CAPTAIN 120EX WHITE 76.5 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
>Kraken x62

they're both cpu coolers you daft cunt

>>59963606
>52 idle temp
lol

>>59965201
>is barely better
Yet better. And will work out of the box without any problems with memory, mobo and ocing.

>>59965236
It's still a quad-core on dead-end platform.

>>59965203
How'd you get over 1500MHz? I thought they were hitting a wall.
What's the voltage? I don't see it on there.

It's definitely not a "rebrand" though, right. It's a "refresh".

What's the cheapest AM4 board that is not shit?

>>59965283
mATX pro 4 or gaming 3

>>59965283
B350?

>>59965247
Which is absolutely irrelevant for gaming atm and may stay this way for years despite what amd shills keep telling us.

>>59965307
Yep

>>59965236
it also has terrible stuttering compared to Ryzen chips which are superior technology and give you a much smoother experience thus improving frame rates across the board, nothing is quite as jarring as a bunch of nasty nasty stuttering while you play that the fps counter ignores

>>59965184
It cools better than air and looks nicer

>>59965312
>quad memes in 2017
>dead socket
>intel
>absolutely irrelevant
Only a retarded shill would actually think this is irrelevant. AM4 is here to stay for a long time.

>>59965201
Ya. I said better

>>59965211
The deep cool mounts onto the gpu
>>59965191
Mostly for keks. Does let me push it a little farther tho

>>59965326
>looks nicer
How often do you look at your PC?

>>59965247
I specifically said for gaming. If you want to run multi core benchmarks all day get a ryzen

>>59965321
>it also has terrible stuttering
According to that one video where "GTAV doesn't feel right"? And those rare freezes are problems of GTA engine not cpus. i7 doesn't stutter whatsoever, 8t is absolutely enough for any game right now and it'll stay this way.

>>59965330
>b-but stutterlake and moar corez!
Typical amd retard. How's your 3200Mhz memory working? Oh, it doesn't because AMD fucked up everything?

>>59965330
Ill never understand delusional brand loyalty. Sad tbph

>>59965363
>Typical amd retard. How's your 3200Mhz memory working? Oh, it doesn't because AMD fucked up everything?
Now you're making shit up because you know I'm right. 6 cores? What do you need 4 cores for? Here have this dual core.