/pcbg/ - PC Building General

Fuck you anon who keeps suggesting the H7 to people getting Ryzen builds. Upgrade kits aren't out yet, so I'm just sitting here with parts.

>>59943496
I'm convinced a good portion of the people giving advice here are just as uninformed as the new buyers and are either parroting misinformation or intentionally sabotaging a build.

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I know this isn't a speccy thread but could I get a rate on my rig?

what price could I sell my meme GTX 970 at

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>>59943549
>SLI 970s

>>59943465
DAILY REMINDER THIS IS THE PERFECT 1080P BUILD (just look for sales)

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NCCR6X

Also, this is the LAST day to order a SeaSonic 550W for under 50 bucks. Tomorrow the rebate will end and it'll jump back up to 70. You can get it for 45$ with EASTER15 at Superbiiz for a whopping 25 dollar saving. Don't miss out you poor fucks.

>>59943496
>>59943533
You get a lot of that, especially on coolers and mobos. Always get second opinions or lurk until you can find the people who know their shit just from reading them.

>>59943549
ram/10

>>59943561
3.5+3.5 equals a whopping 7gb bruh

>>59943567
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NCCR6X
I agree that it has incredible value, but what do you think of getting a 1600X and maybe, maybe a X370 although it has worse value?

>>59943496
What coolers actually come with an AM4 bracket that are worth getting?
NH-L9x65 is awful.
D15 is oversized for how efficient Ryzen is.
NH-U12S I guess? But it's poo colored and overpriced like all of the Noctuas.

>>59943549
1333 at CL 9 is pretty damn awful. At least it's dual channel.
970 SLI.. wew the two worst cards from the past half a decade.
At least you chose the best CPU of the time and got an SSD, and are keeping things cool.
Board looks okay.
4/10 I guess. If you had gotten a 290X/980Ti and better ram, you'd have a pretty solid build.

>>59943555
There are dumb fanboys that'll give like $150 for them.

>>59943533
>>59943567
There definitely that, so you have to ask multiple times on different days to put together a decent build. I got memed on with the H7. I'm sure it'll be great when I finally get the upgrade kit, but fuck I didn't want to wait another half month.

>>59943621
>There are dumb fanboys that'll give like $150 for them.
lel no you could still sell them for fucking 200 dollars or more
although I can't judge because I got one for 140 three months ago

>>59943561
>>59943621
I dont' get this meme, my SLI 970s run games like GTA5 and TW3 maxed out at 50-60 fps. Sure i'd like to upgrade but I feel like I can last another year or two.

>>59943567
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NCCR6X
Yeah, looks pretty ideal, but ideally you'd get an RX470 cheaper on sale.
You could also save by not bothering with the HDD. Loads of people will not use over 500GB. If they do, can buy HDD later.

>>59943610
If you want to spend more, sure, you can. It's your money. Just make sure you get an X370 that's actually better, with better VRMs, and not just a K4.
The Pro4s VRMs are more than sufficient for a typical overclock and such. But if you're going to spend more you should be getting even better quality and not something more riced and shit.

And the 1600X? Yeah I'm getting one myself, because I wanted a different AM4 cooler so I'll have it for my next AM4 CPU upgrade later, like when it goes the 7nm and higher clocks, so I may as well get the slightly higher overclocking headroom and better stock clocks for just a bit more.
It's worse value, but I don't care. I want it. That's how it works.

>>59943651
It runs most games fine.
There are a significant number of games that it'll suffer on, though. Especially at 1440p which is becoming a more common resolution, isn't it?

>>59943610
I haven't really seen any reason to get a 1600x instead of OC'ing your 1600, price/performance wise.

>x370
You joking? For what purpose? The Pro4 will OC all you need with R5's. The cheap B350s are all you need, really.

>>59943635
If you're using R5's, why not use the stock coolers? Or are you using R7's?

>>59943681
>but ideally you'd get an RX470 cheaper on sale.
Agreed. PCPartsPick is fucking up though. That should be 140$ because there's a 30$ rebate on it. But I think it will go down even more soon. That's what I'm waiting for.

Is there anything I should change about this gaming rig for 1080p? An anon helped me with it last night but i forgot to mention that I'm not overclocking.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Dwk2nn

>>59943705
>locked 7700 and 1060 in post-Ryzen era
Why?

>>59943637
>lel no you could still sell them for fucking 200 dollars or more
That's insane. An RX480 8GB is objectively so better on average, and you can find those new for $190 all the time.

>>59943705
7700 comes with a cooler. It's not a great one, but if you're going to replace it you should get something less lame.
You also need faster memory. 3200 over 2133 is a 15% improvement in some games like FO4. 2800 is the least you should get.
Your PSU sucks
1060 is overpriced and the RX470 or RX480 gives better performance for the money or even period in many cases.

>>59943721
feel free to change what you like, i haven't bought anything yet, trying to stay below $1000

>>59943705
>not OC
Do it. It's piss easy to OC a few 100mhz and impossible to fail if you read a guide. This isn't 10 years ago.

>i7 stutterlake
Get a R5 1600 buddy. Cheaper and smoother FPS. You don't need an i7 at all for anything in 1080.

see
>>59943567
Saves 30 bucks and is way better. You could ditch the HDD and save 80 bucks and still have double your SSD space. Whoever helped you with that is an idiot/intel+nvidia shill.

>>59943567
This build is almost exactly what I will be getting, but I will likely go with the Define Mini C instead of the Define S.

which 1tb ssd is better , crucial mx300 sata or intel 600p m.2 nvme ?
intel is about 5000 rupees more expensive here

>>59943681
>Especially at 1440p which is becoming a more common resolution, isn't it?
Not as much as you'd think thanks to bad developers making unoptimized games, with the current modern games having issues getting a steady 60 fps at max settings & 1440p with the highest priced cards, people are still dropping down to 1080p commonly.

If the RX 580 delivers hard enough to force Nvidia into countering, it might as well become common though.
>>59943747
>That's insane. An RX480 8GB is objectively so better on average, and you can find those new for $190 all the time.
Thanks to the rocky launch of bad drivers and bad benchmarks at the start of the launch of RX480, you can easily still reel a good profit off of the GTX 970's, especially if you have a more rare and better brand.

>>59943777
>but I will likely go with the Define Mini C instead of the Define S
Yeah, that's a personal choice. I stuck with the Define S because it's cheaper and I like the room. Probably should have made a note about the case.

>>59943787
Crucial. Fuck Intel.

>>59943763
This
>everyone should OC
meme is stupid. It's hard to OC a Kabylake. It often requires delidding. They're already clocked so fucking high, so you need such good cooling. You need a better motherboard, as 6phase VRMs are recommended for STOCK clocks and double that for OC. (or is it 4 stock 8 OC? that sounds more right. whatever) It ends up costing like $125-$250 more for a decent OC on Delidlake which is hardly worth the performance gains on those chips.
Lots of people just don't want to do it, and building a PC is enough stuff to learn for them.

>>59943787
intel 600p is fucking garbage.
MX300. Only thing better is an 850, but that costs significantly more and is only like 2% faster.

>>59943795
>Thanks to the rocky launch of bad drivers and bad benchmarks at the start of the launch of RX480
Probably the case.
If it is, 970 value should crash due to RX580 reviews, eh? Even the RX570 which I think the MSRP is $170 should often be faster.

>>59943827
I'm talking about Ryzen you faggot. I don't recommend Intel delidlake.

>>59943827
>X companies product's value should crash due to Y companies product's reviews, eh?
anon
bruh

Although I've had my build for a long time I didn't understand the importance of monitoring temperatures until recently, and I've noticed that my cpu is really fucking hot. Even after a dust cleaning my old 3570k is being subjected to temperatures of over 90c while I'm playing resource-easy games like csgo. Everything runs at at stock.

How fucked is my Ivy Bridge? I'm going to replace the thermal coating asap but I'm scared of permanent damage.

>>59943863
Time for a magical trick called delidding.

>>59943681
>And the 1600X? Yeah I'm getting one myself, because I wanted a different AM4 cooler so I'll have it for my next AM4 CPU upgrade later
Same train of thought. That's also why i'm thinking about a X370. I just can't justify spending above 200 bucks on a mobo and the only two X370 mobos in my range are the Asus X370 Prime and ASRock X370 K4 (non professional).
The Asus seems to brick itself because reasons and the ASRock has seemingly worse VRM according to https://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/f12/am4-mainboard-vrm-liste-1155146.html
Kinda want the ASRock but then again, if it won't yield me higher OC than a B350 board there's no point in getting it. TweakTown reviewed the mobo and got the 1800X stable @4.0GHz @1.20v, so hopefully a 1600X should be able to get @4.0GHz max 1.40v, or at least i hope so. Here's the link:
http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/8135/asrock-fatal1ty-x370-gaming-k4-motherboard-review/index7.html
Guess i wait for them to review the Anus X370 Prime before i pull the trigger on this to early and cry myself to sleep because of shit life choices.

>>59943703
Well the stock cooler is all god and fine, but i doubt it will OC a 1600 to at least stable 3.9GHz with good voltages on a B350 mobo. Please educate me if i'm wrong.

>>59943847
The guy wants an i7, you faggot. So I was speaking in regards to OC there.

>>59943854
Are you being serious?
The ceiling of the used market's value for relatively new cards is based on what similar performance someone can get minus a bit.
People see 1060 is a bit better than the 970 in most cases. 1060 is $260. So people can still sell 970s for $200.
If 1060s were $200, 970s used would be closer to $150.

>>59943863
Did you clean out the dust?
Yeah, you need to replace the thermal paste if so.

thoughts?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DGhh8K

>>59943892
Meh I got the mATX pro4. It's $65. If I decide to get a better motherboard later, I hardly lost anything.

I figured these first round of motherboards may not be great and all since it's a new arch, new socket, new chipset. BIOS can fix a lot, but we'll see.

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>Buying a R5
>reconmending the 1600x
Just save up your fish and chip money for a month and get a r7 1700.

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>>59943897
>$1700
>Ryzen
>1060
>MSI
>G.Skill
>optical drive
>paying for Windows
>$80 wifi card

2/10 anon try again

>>59943893
Yes well anon you see the difference with that comparison is that
>If X companies product #1 were $200, X companies product #2 used would be closer to $150

>>59943897
>1800x
>1060
>shitty PSU
>gigantic Noctua tower for a very cool CPU
Shit/10.

>Going from locked 2nd gen i5 to 12 threads at 4ghz
Brings a tear to my eyes. Thanks based AMD for bringing down 6 cores to non-retarded prices.

>>59943747
what psu should i get?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yrp7HN

>>59943893
>>The ceiling of the used market's value for relatively new cards is based on what similar performance someone can get minus a bit.
>implying it matters
AMD fanboys will refuse to buy NVIDIA shit even if it is better and NVIDIA fanboys will refuse to buy AMD shit even if tis better.
This is the way of hardware.

>>59943947
Your PSU is fine.

>>59943893
>The guy wants an i7, you faggot
Well he's a retard and you can't OC a 7700 non-k.

>>59943892
>Well the stock cooler is all god and fine, but i doubt it will OC a 1600 to at least stable 3.9GHz with good voltages on a B350 mobo. Please educate me if i'm wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPWMIpVrVQ0
Stock cooler is fine unless you want to be a mad man.

>>59943947
>7700
>1060
You shouldn't get a PSU you should get your build fix first.

>>59943972
Weird. My 8800 was nice. So was 5850/7970/1070.

The box for my rx580 says minimum 500w PSU. Will a 500 to 550w PSU work fine, or should I jump up to 600-650w?

>>59944025
It will werk fine. Polaris is pretty efficient.

how's this build for budget 1080p >60 fps gaming?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GjFBYr
Playing WoW mostly and would like to run at max settings, im in US.

>>59943897
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/DGhh8K
Why no SSD?
Why are you paying retail for windows instead of just getting it from Kinguin or something?
>$80 wifi card
the fuck is this. Is this really so much better than onboard wifi? Do you want the Aorus so bad that you can't get one of the X370s with onboard wifi instead?
>MSI GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB GAMING X Video Card
>turning $450 CPU into stuttering mess thanks to fucked up Nvidia drivers and GimpWorks
>All that money for other shit, and a shitty PSU that's too high wattage

Try again and get back to us.

>>59943947
Seasonic 550RM
Looks fine otherwise. Though I've seen Z270s on sale like $85-$90 fairly often.

>>59943987
Have you considered the concept that you aren't a fanboy?

>>59944042
>i3 instead of g4560
>1050ti instead of 470/570

>>59944042
It'll work but I'd recommend dual channel RAM, a better HDD brand and a G4560. Actually, the G4620 is on sale and it'd be worth it:
http://www.frys.com/product/9085667

>>59944042
Get a 480x or 1060, you might play something else in the future

>>59944106
470 is enough for now and it costs barely more than 1050ti.

>>59944025
>The box for my rx580 says minimum 500w PSU
The box is just being retarded and accounting for no-name PSUs from a Dell that claim they're 500w when they're not.
You'd be perfectly fine on a decent brand name 400watt.

>>59944042
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GjFBYr
>Playing WoW mostly and would like to run at max settings, im in US.
Lmao.
Just get a G4560 and no GPU. The iGPU runs WoW well.
That $145 for a 1050Ti is a tremendous waste of money.
If you build that and really feel it's not running WoW well enough and that you need better than the iGPU, get the RX550. I'm guessing it'll be about $50. Or spend a bit more and get the RX570.

>>59943972
>AMD fanboys will refuse to buy NVIDIA shit even if it is better and NVIDIA fanboys will refuse to buy AMD shit even if tis better.
>This is the way of hardware.
I went from a 9700Pro, to a 7800 GT (which died within 30 days of the warranty ending), to a 9600GTX (which was a lemon), then a 5770, 7970.

>>59944025
>rx580

Ayyy? Are they already out?

Okay I'm in the middle of a build but I gotta say what the fuck happened to RAM prices? Last year it wasn't this bad

>>59944133
Today is the launch day anon. Lots of images out there.

>>59944127
I don't think you understand the concept of a fanboy, lad.
Also, can anyone tell me what RX480 models are good and which ones are shit?

>>59944119
>470 is enough for now and it costs barely more than 1050ti.
It's actually the same price as the 1050 right now. You can get it for 145. Buying nvidia for 1080p/1440p is wasting your money right now.

>>59944155
>good
MSI gaymen X
XFX GTR
Probably Sapphire one
>bad
The rest. Also beware of fucking ANUS.

>>59944133
Yeah. Some shops sold them earlier than the street date. Ignore >>59944154

>>59944155
XFX GTR is the best RX480. I forget which the second best is.. Maybe the MSI Gaming X?
Still wouldn't buy without seeing RX580 price/perf though. But it was $210 a few days ago which was worth it.

>>59944136
>what happened to RAM prices
smart phones

>>59944042
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/z4JJZ8
How's this? See how the iGPU works, it should work great, but if not you can add a GPU later. NOT the 1050Ti as it's fucking garbage value and overpriced because dumb fanboys will buy them like they bought the 750Ti.

Is radeon worth it? last one i bought died when it was less than 2 years old

>>59944214
Yes. Since shitty Radeon drivers are no more NVIDIA has like no advantages in places where AMD actually competes.

Is there a Z270 board that doesn't look like complete ass?

>>59944214
>Is radeon worth it? last one i bought died when it was less than 2 years old
You got unlucky.
My 9700pro which is over 15 years old, my 5770, and 2 7970s both all work to this day.
My EVGA 7800 died within a month after the 3 months warranty. My 9600GTX was a lemon.
Yet I still recommend Nvidia when it's appropriate because I know it was just my bad luck, or down to the manufacturers I chose at the time, and blah blah blah.

>>59944239
EVGA makes some sleek black boards. That's it I guess.

>>59944170
What's wrong with ASHITUS variations?
I remember the MSI ones dying out and having terrible coil issues.

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Any reason for me to not get an ASUS PRIME X370-PRO?
Anything better at the same price-range?

I plan on OCing a 1600X as high as possible and use 3200Mhz RAM.

>>59944274
Said board has suicidal tendencies.

>>59944166
The 1070 says fuck you.

>>59944273
Has the lowest clocks and retarded temp targets.

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>>59943986
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPWMIpVrVQ0
That's actually impressive. I'd be fine with the results this guy's getting. The thing is, he's running a Asus X370, i doubt you can achieve the exact same results with a B350 mobo. To entertain you:
>see vid
>thinking about B350 + 1600
>prices are 110 + 231 yuroshekels
>go to shop
>prices are 115 + 249 yuroshekels
THANKS MR. GOLDSTEIN.

>>59944273
Shit-tier cooling. Shitty customer support. At least MSI Gaymen X is pretty cool.
>>59944289
Overpriced.

>>59944286
Did that happen with a specific BIOS update or has it happened multiple times?

Is a GTX 980 worth buying second hand for $200?

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>>59944289
You can get 2 RX480s for the price of a 1070.
I'd usually not recommend crossfire, but the price of the 1070 is retarded. But bigger retards pay those prices so they stay so high, despite the MSRP being $350.

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Are cases like the Corsair Air 240 (pic related) worth it? They look aethsetic as fuck and I don't know if I want one or not. Will be building in a mATX B350 mobo with a R5 1600 w/ stock cooler and a RX 480 8GB

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To everyone lurking, asking, or advising ITT:
What fact or specification do you look for when searching for motherboards?
And what information do pcpartpicker and review sites leave out about motherboards that you'd like to know?

First time building a gaming pc any changes I should make?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nfk2nn

This $5 mouse needs to go. Sometimes it sends the cursor shooting all over the place or under-responds significantly, and even at the best of times, it's not a precision piece of equipment.

Any suggestions? Anything I should know about buying a good mouse?

>>59944358
Also by the time I started getting the parts the RX 580 will be out so I planned on grabbing that

>>59944344
I really like mine. The easiest case I've ever worked on, looks great too. Hoping to get a second one and stack two systems on eachother, one for my main computer and another for messing around without having to fuck around with partitions/virtual machines

>>59944346
Ports + audio chip.

Are there any desktop cases with hotswap plugs? I was looking at those 4u 24 hdd server cases a while back but never ended up getting one. Just wondering if there's any vertical cases that will give me a lot (>8) of hdd slots with hotswap.

>>59944297
Maybe fix your EU laws instead of just giving terrorists free money.
In the US, retailers can get in trouble for price gouging like that

But yeah, the 1500X/1600/1700 stock coolers are damn nice. The 1400's is pretty meh.
I would expect like 3.7Ghz on the low end, 3.85 on the high end with good luck, with the stock cooler.

>>59944344
I think cube cases are ugly and space inefficient. But if it's what you want, why does my opinion on that matter?

>>59944346
>What fact or specification do you look for when searching for motherboards?
That it has enough chokes and a heatsink.
The layout of the slots (I prefer an x1 above the fucking x16 not fucking buried under it uselessly)
>And what information do pcpartpicker and review sites leave out about motherboards that you'd like to know?
actual mosfet quality and shit that you can't see from pictures.

>>59944358
That cooler comes with good thermal paste.
I'd get a bigger SSD, and a 550W PSU would be enough even for Vega and the 8 core, but the rest looks fine.

Oh and, why not 1440p? Spending all that money for 1080p wtf.

>>59944364
ZOWIE Z11 or Razer Deathadder Chroma/Elite. Same size, just different aesthetics/quality

>>59944431
>space inefficient
How are they space inefficient?

>>59944326
Also gtx980 vs r9 290x?

>>59944415
Not really, unless you want to count that Silverstone ITX NAS case that was designed around an ASRock Avoton motherboard.
I don't trust those optical bay hot-swap add ins because their port multiplier and power connectors can be spotty as fuck.

Either go with a convertible 4U/tower hybrid or get fucked with housefires.

>>59944409
>Ports
You mean all of the available ports for the rear I/O? Or are you including the headers on the motherboard as well

>>59944431
>The layout of the slots
Lane splitting/PCIe switch-enabled is a given, right?
>shit that you can't see from pictures
Such as?

>>59944472
>Such as?
You can't see the model number of the VRM components in pictures...
They're not high resolution enough, and covered by heatsinks.

In what situation will you need an ATX-sized mobo? Curious as someone that is stuck between getting an ATX or mATX board.

>>59944472
Rear.

>>59944479
That's a bit of a tall order. Most of those components are covered by thermal tape that tends to peel off the lettering on top of those components. Plus, it's not like I can buy all of those motherboards, pull apart their heatsinks, and write down their model numbers for a spreadsheet.

>>59944510
> Most of those components are covered by thermal tape that tends to peel off the lettering on top of those components
... which is exactly why I'd like to have that information listed on a site and searchable. lol.

I guess aggregate review sources and links to them. Those are generally better than user reviews.

>>59944431
>EU
>free
>abide laws
Does not compile.
Sucks to live in this shithole and pay 19% terrorism support taxes, soon to be 21% because we have to finance our culturally enriching new citizens. Fuck those shitskins and commies, i want cheap technology, taxation is theft.

>I would expect like 3.7Ghz on the low end, 3.85 on the high end with good luck, with the stock cooler.
I'd be fine with something like 3.8GHz @ 1.35v on a ASRock B350 K4 with stock cooler and load temps not higher than 70°C, for such a price you can'T ask for more.
Also LPX 3000 CL15 seems to run stable at advertised speed or at least 2933 on that board, which is nice because that RAM is """cheap""" aka 129€ here.

This is what i'm looking at: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/gHL8vV

>RX 580 is just a rebranded RX 480
>costs 100 dollars more in most places
wow what a time to be alive

>>59944582
It's a refresh, not rebrand.

>>59944567
You might only hit 3.7 I think. It's luck. Unless I'm wrong and 3.8 is pretty much the minimum with newer BIOS.
>2933
That's perfectly fine speed.

The build looks fine except I don't think that motherboard is any better overclocking wise than the Pro4. Looks like the same VRMs to me. So unless it has some other features you want, you're spending more for nothing.

>>59944431
>Oh and, why not 1440p? Spending all that money for 1080p wtf.
Like I said I by the time I started building the RX 580 will be out also possibly the Vega depending on how long it takes me to get my finances in order

As far as mATX Ryzen mobos go, how good is the ASRock AB350M-HDV mobo?

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should i get an ASUS or ASRock motherboard?

(these are the two options that have what i want and that fit within my budget)

>>59944650
Quit shopping by brand. What socket do you need? What features do you want? Do you plan to SLI/Crossfire?

>>59944626
That does not answer the question.
Why all that hardware just for a peasantry 1080p monitor?

>>59944633
>how good is the ASRock AB350M-HDV mobo?
Can you not just look at the picture of it and tell?

>>59944650
Asrock

anus a shit

>>59944633
its good

>>59944582
not out yet mong

>>59944698
Already on the market in canada

>>59944609
>You might only hit 3.7 I think
That would be kinda disappointing, the 1600X does this without OC.
>That's perfectly fine speed
Sure it is and i hope i'll reach it with the LPX, read that Ripjaws have problems on ASRock boards.
>than the Pro4
According to ASRock website the audio layer on the Pro4 is neither shielded nor isolated from the rest of the PCB, that's why i chose the K4.
The VRM is exactly the same with those shitty NIKOS mosfets, but i guess you can't for more for such a price.

What would be the smallest size for a 4k display, where I wouldnt need scaling on Wangblows?
27" 32" ?

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Can you guys rate my build?

This is the first time i've ever built my own computer? I'll take any advice, i've already bought all of the parts and they're coming soon

>>59944676
I didnt realize you were pointing that out, what higher resolution moniter would you recommend?

>>59944714
>complaining about prices when you need to pay for weed mans cuck tax

>>59944676
>Can you not just look at the picture of it and tell?
No not really, which is why I'm asking.

>>59944719
p decent, get after market cooler

>>59944719
its good but why not get a bigger hard drive?

>>59944564
>>59944506
What other components do you guys want more information about?
I'm going to be making either a spreadsheet or fuckhueg jpeg comparing all of the different motherboards with each chipset.

>>59944671
LGA1151, ATX, z270, wireless adapter, and spdif digital audio jack

>>59944719
Swap 1050ti for 470/570 and shitty EVGA PSU for whatever Seasonic with roughly the same price.

>>59944671
do not plan on sli/crossfire either

>>59944719
>CPU
Nice.
>Cooler
Why? The Ryzen cooler is fine on its own
>mobo
meh
>RAM
Should've gotten higher frequency RAM
>SSD
Ok.
>HDD
Should've gotten a larger drive
>GPU
1050 Ti is only really worth it if you are building a budget/small build
>Case
I would honestly reccomend the 200R over the 100R
>PSU
Fine.

>>59944715
>the 1600X does this without OC.
um. no. not on all 6 cores.

>>59944717
idk 40"?
Do fucking DPI scaling what the fuck.

>>59944719
>1050Ti
worst choice you could make.
And get a Seasonic 550RM quick while it's still on sale for $50.

Is the RX 580 even going to be cheaper than the 480?

>>59944784
Yes it does 3.7 boost on all cores.

>>59944346
Number of / organization of power phases/chokes.
Motherboard temperatures at load - manufacturer spec for temperature limits

Good reviews include these, most don't.

>>59944792
Roughly the same price.

>>59944752
ik it may seem dumb, but out of budget lmao.. i will for sure upgrade it later on when i have more $

>>59944780
cpu's come with a cooler? wtf i didnt know that. i cud have spent that money on upgrading something else. and also i am building a kina budget build so i got the ti 4gb over the 480 4gb.

>>59944784
is 1050 ti 4gb rly that bad? i went to microcenter and spoke with ppl and they said the 480 is better but u shud be good with the 1050 ti 4gb and u can upgrade it later.

>>59944769
read above reply ^ dont wanna retype lmao

>>59944721
>I didnt realize you were pointing that out, what higher resolution moniter would you recommend?
idk mang. I don't look at cheap monitors much.
Just look around and figure it out.

>>59944737
>No not really, which is why I'm asking.
It only has 4 phase VRMs for the CPU with no heatsink.
Unless you have a good down-blower CPU cooler, you'll likely have problems with VRM temps if you overclock.

>>59944806
>Yes it does 3.7 boost on all cores.
quit fucking lying.

>>59944823
1600X is 3.6/3.7 all cores/4.0 two cores.

Novice here from the US.

Got a budget around $1500-$1800 or so. Don't need monitors or anything like that.

was looking at this guys building this and i really love the case, although I dont wanna fall for the VR Meme.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQlIzwuMZbg

Is there anything I can build that looks close to this, maybe even go a bit cheaper? I do want the case most of all but Im not really sure what I am doing.

Thanks

>>59944821
>cpu's come with a cooler?
On the Intel side, non-K CPUs come with a stock cooler. On the AMD side, non-enthusiast CPUs (aka everything except the 1600X and 1800X) comes with the AMD stock cooler (the AMD Wraith Spire for the R5s and the AMD Wraith Max for the R7s)

>>59944821
the RX470 is often on sale for $110-$130. Different models were on sale for that every day of the week 2-6 weeks ago.
And it's fucking 40-50% faster.

The ONLY reason, literally the only one, to get the 1050Ti is because you need a card that is only powered by PCIe and in a mITX build.

>>59944784
>um. no. not on all 6 cores.
3.6 stock, 4.0 boost (2 cores i guess?) and 4.1 with XFR.
If i can only get stable 3.7 with good voltages and temps the 1600X isn't a bad buy imho.

>>59944364
People shitpost constantly, but honestly with current sensor designs you can't go wrong with anything from Zowie, Razer, or Logitech's gaming line. If you see something else specifically that interests you, it's possible that it is still good but better to ask about it specifically.

If you really want to go down the rabbit hole on mouse sensors, read the Overclock.net mouse forums where they spend time rewriting mouse firmeware, debating the perceptible differences between USB report rate stability at 1000hz+, or arguing over the accuracy of different interpolation algorithms.

>>59944850
so i wasted 30$? lmao.. fuck my life. so ill be getting the amd wraith spire for free?

>>59944851
pls dont roast my ass, i put like 3 weeks of planning before i put all of the parts together. i was on a budget :( idk what PCIe is but ik what mITX is. i think micro itx is what ur saying. i got the 1050 ti 4gb because i heard it will run things at high graphics with no problem. pls tell me ill be fine, i promise ill upgrade it later to like a 1080 or something when i get more $

>>59944847
It says what parts are in it, dude. Sure. Go ahead. Build it.
Except I don't recommend the i7-7700k since you usually need to delid them which isn't for a novice.

You need to be careful with VRM temps on the motherboard with shit like that, though. You could get the Cryorig hybrid cooler instead or just flip that rear case fan so it blows on the motherboard better instead of sucking air out.

>>59944836
Oh the 1600X. It hits 4.1 on 2 cores. I thought you were talking about the 1600 since that was in the video with the stock cooler which the 1600X doesn't have.
Yes, the 1600X should have no trouble getting 3.85 or higher at 1.35v.

>>59944823
>you'll likely have problems with VRM temps if you overclock
What would you recommend then?

>>59944890
Thanks, which i7 should I be going for? The 6700?

>>59944127
I have a 6600k and a 1060 6GB at 2150MHz. Regularly below 60fps in wow. don't try to help people of you have no idea what you're talking about. Cities are extremely CPU intensive and legion zones are extremely GPU intensive. Wow is many times harder to run than it was in 2006

>>59944887
>so i wasted 30$?
No, aftermarket coolers are usually better than stock coolers anyway. You just got a free stock cooler that you can use in the future.

>>59944344
I was wondering this too. I like its look but I keep reading issues with it, like the finish on it scratches easily, the side panels are really flimsy and dont sit flush with the case meaning there's gaps that'll trigger your OCD, the harddrive tray gets in the way of the CPU cord, it can't fit some graphics cards without having the GPU cord press up against the window, and the drives get warm because there's no fans in the rear chamber.

So either that or I get the Define Mini C which seems to have no real big issues. Both are pretty aesthetic but I wasn't sure if the Mini C would sit on my desk as nicely as the Air 240.

>>59944912
Yes, 6700k, it has better, non-horse semen-tier TIM.
>>59944919
Because it's spaghetti code incarnate.

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>>59943465
so i waited and waited, and the AX370 gaming 5 is a bust. updated both bios, tried to oc, get DF error on both, which is not in the manual. clearing cmos does nothing, and i cant be fucked to deal with support. should i wait for the taichi to get back in stock, or get the msi carbon and/or gaming k7? what other x370 mobos around $200 would /g/ suggest

>>59944780
Basically agree with all of this.

Build has a few problems.

-Gigabyte GA-Z97X-UD3H-BK
-ASUS GTX 1080
-16 Gig DDR3
-Intel i5-4690

Bought the 1080 the other day. Are my other parts holding me back at all? I would buy a new cpu but then I'd need to get a new motherboard and then new ram and then I might as well buy a new psu and case for christs sake.

>>59944933
>it has better, non-horse semen-tier TIM
Except that's fucking wrong. The TIM is the same for both Babylake and Skykek, it's just that Babylake runs hotter.

>>59944887
>pls tell me ill be fine
You won't be. You'll have to turn settings down in most games to keep over 60fps.
Send the GPU back and look for an RX470 4GB to drop on sale for that price or cheaper. It's far better.

>so i wasted 30$
Na that cooler is fine. It's better than stock. And you can use it again if you upgrade later.

>>59944865
The anon linked to a video with the stock cooler and shit so I figured 1600, not 1600X.

>>59944911
>What would you recommend then?
AB350M Pro 4

>>59944912
Yeah the i7-6700k rarely needs to be delided like the i7-7700k do.

>>59944919
WoW doesn't scale off more than 3 threads. The G4560 has 4.
Its single core performance will be worse, but marginally so. It's not worth the extra money for a 7350k for the guy. He'll live with FPS dropping under 60 in cities only, I'm sure.
>citing GPU OC and shit
fucking meaningless when it's the draw calls of tons of people in cities that tanks the CPU. You're too retarded to see how low your GPU utilization was, so don't comment when you don't know what you're talking about.

>>59944946
You should be fine.

>>59944946
>spending $500 on a GPU that your CPU will bottleneck and keep dropping you under 60 fps on anyway
but why

> I would buy a new cpu but then I'd need to get a new motherboard
You can get a 4790k.

>>59944952
Isn't the IHS distance from the die greater on kabylake?
I'm pretty sure that's the big reason why the TIM seems shittier.

>>59944954
Thanks anon. Do you think this is a good build for a first timer?
>>59944847

>>59944968
>but why
I did get a lot more frames in games I play.

Would i notice a difference with the 4790K? I suppose if I picked up one of those I coud overclock, that'd be pretty sick. Cant overclock my non K 4690

>>59944954
>The anon linked to a video with the stock cooler and shit so I figured 1600, not 1600X.
That vid is really nice, but keep in mind that guy OC'd on the Asus Prime X370-Pro and NOT on a B350 mobo.
Anyways, the cooler looks really impressive, it's a welcome change if you look at old Wraith coolers or the push-pin deep fryer that Intel offers.

>>59944954
oh dude idc about 60 fps, i just want the games to run well on medium settings at least. i havent been able to play games for a year and a half lol, college cucked me. but saved up enuf $ for a decent pc now. i dont need the best settings, ill be chillin on medium its ok. ty for insight, ill look to upgrade gpu later on

>>59944979
No, it's apparently identical. It's just that Kaby Lake is slightly more compacted, leading to quicker heat build up since all of the high heat-generating areas are so close to one another for the sake of silicon real estate.

>>59944954
Once again you prove that you have no idea about the game and are only repeating shit you read on the battle net forums. Its fine though, don't care that the guy is gonna run around in suramar at 35fps with 0 other players around. Its his fault for coming to this thread for anything other than entertainment

>>59944995
Are you seriously not stuttering or dropping under 60 in everything you play?
I think it's either your eyes, or you just so happen to not play the many new games that 4c/4t performs poorly on.

>>59944994
Idk, i guess? Put them in pcpartspicker.
I'd generally recommend a Ryzen 5 1600 (if you want to OC) or 1500X (if you don't and don't need 6 cores)

I just don't recommend the 7700k since we get a fuckload of people getting 45-55C idle temps on them with a fresh build, which is terrible. I'm pretty sure the 6700k has much less of a problem there, but the other anon is saying that the 6700k is just as bad if you give it equal voltage/clocks.

>>59945026
Sure. It's just that you could have ran them at high or max at 60fps minimum instead with the rx470 for the same price.

>>59945045
stfu, you fucktard.
You have malware or some shit from downloading all that draenei porn. Fix your PC instead of giving shit advice to people
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFKvyk7C6ig

>>59945091
Stop replying to me you fucking idiot.

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>>59945115
BTFO

>>59944994
Assuming budget is really no issue, there still a limit to what is a reasonable amount to spend depending on your intended use. Don't fall into the trap of buying the best parts out there if they aren't what you will actually use.

Are you gaming at 1080p? Then buy this: >>59943567

Are you gaming at 1440p? Then upgrade the video card to a 1070.

Are you gaming at 4k? Then upgrade the video card to a 1080 or 1080Ti and bump up the PSU to the 650w version.

Nothing else really needs to change. If you want a different case other than the Define S, go for it. Any more expensive setup will not have a meaningful benefit for gaming and is primarily for more niche uses.

>world of warcraft FPS discussion
lmao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3th4sBnuS0

>>59945091
>Are you seriously not stuttering or dropping under 60 in everything you play?
>I think it's either your eyes, or you just so happen to not play the many new games that 4c/4t performs poorly on.

Well no I mainly wanted more frames for PUBG but I plan on getting some more recent AAA games once I upgraded. Just haven't bought any yet. Just saw a deal on a 4790K so I might pick one up. Shame I only have a 1080P 144hz desu

How do you guys know when good deals are on? I'm on a tight budget and trying to be patient and get parts when the prices drop. Is there a site that lists them or do you manually trawl through amazon/newegg?

So far all I'm finding is 10% off shit that's obviously just a stock price made to look flashy.

>>59945163
RX580 8GB for 1440p. 1070 is excessive for it except for a very small few games and bad price/performance. Better offer turning down settings slightly on the RX for others.

For 4K... not even a 1080Ti is powerful enough currently. Drops under 60 for tons and tons of games.
Maybe a Titan Xp or wait for Vega.

>>59945184
It's not even recent ones. Really games from 2014, 2015, many will stutter and drop frames even on a 5ghz 4c/4t.
And even if it's not the game itself causing the inconsistent frames, something else running on your PC often will.

>>59945163
Is this a Joke? Why you recommend AMD to anyone? Theyve had nothing but problems over the last couple of years. SAY NO TO AMD.
>>59944994
Anon don't listen to this idiot.

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Mouse anon here.

I don't belong to the "hurrr, only children like things that my grandpa wouldn't like" camp, but why would anyone want to spend $80 on something like this? It just looks clunky and uncomfortable. They do realize that this thing is going to be their constant companion, right?

>>59945211
poor attempt

>>59945227
Apparently it works really well. But yeah, it looks like complete shit and looks like it'd get dirty in the worst ways.

>>59943465
i7 6700k
32gb ddr4 (need it for work)
gtx 1060 6gb
250gb samsung 850evo
2tb WD black

It is good?

>>59943465
Every where I look online for PC cases, its always the same shit.

Fucking epik gamer style stuff with lots of lights, stupid graphics and designs and tons of holes for ventilation.

Isn't there any thing thats not gamer shit? Like something really simple and plain?
Like a plain white tower that would be great

>>59945246
>1060
No.

>>59945163
Thanks anon. I mostly wanna run some good FPS games on max at least. The only thing id want is the case I initally posted. Thanks for the advice!

>>59945091
>>59945115
Kek your tourist ass got rekt. Back to /v/ faggot

>>59945202
>For 4K... not even a 1080Ti is powerful enough currently. Drops under 60 for tons and tons of games.

Maybe. I agree with this guy's analysis that reviews are often misleading because they spend all their time complaining that 4K is unplayable at ultra settings, whereas it may be perfectly playable at lower settings that are equally or nearly the same in actual subjective quality:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5ZsaavKNR8

>>59945227
Looks fine to me.

>>59945262
same dumb question prompt so you get the same stock answer
>Fractal Design Define series
no shoo

>>59944212
looks good to me, gonna try to build something around that, ty

>>59945271
I'm not building it for gaymes, 1060 are more than enough

Recommend me a GPU to run most games on Ultra 1080p 75hz at 60+ FPS

>>59945321
Then especially no on the 1060. It's overpriced. Get a 470/480.

>>59945345
http://pcpartpicker.com/product/qYTrxr/evga-power-supply-220g20550y1

>>59945359
Said GPU, not PSU

>>59945355
Maybe he needs CUDA.

>>59945345
rx 570

>>59945246
You need 32GB for work but a 6700k over a r7 1700? That seems weird.
RX480 is usually the best choice over the 1060. >>59945376 It's better on anything that can use OpenCL over Cuda (there's tools to translate from Cuda to OpenCL fairly easily now). It's better on average for games. And yet it's cheaper.

>>59945287
Yeah. Turn down settings and it'll play quite a lot at 4k 60FPS
But I imagine Vega will be better. GCN always scaled way better into higher resolutions. I'd wait before spending so much on a build with Vega only a month away.
Worst case scenario is you might get the 1080Ti for cheaper.

>>59945311
np, good luck.

>>59945345
even the RX470 4GB plays most games maxed at 60fps+.
But like >>59945287 linked to
>Ultra settings sucks
It exists in many cases just to rig benchmarks, and often does not make the graphics look perceptively better. It's stupid shit.

>>59945246
>1060
>i7
"no"

get a 1700 and 580 instead

>>59945390
In that case, how does this build look like?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wggvcc

>>59943567
Will this build run games at 144fps with a 1600x900 resolution?

I know this is not a server thread but can you guys recommend me a PC specs that can be up running 24/27? Obviously, I need a water cooling loop.

Thank you.

>>59945464
>144fps
Really depends on the game desu. That's a tall order on CPU intensive games. But you're not going to get stable 144 on a lot of games, no matter your CPU.

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>tfw have to pay $45 in tax on new build

>>59945456
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zJr4hq

improved a few things

>>59945390
>>59945450
Alright! Thanks guys.

>>59945456
Looks pretty ideal except.. Get a motherboard with wireless included instead of the $35 wireless card. Should be only like $105-$120 or so and plus would have some other features like better audio.
And that's too much money for a RX470. They're on sale $130 or less fairly awful. Hopefully RX500 series dropping will put those on sale again.

I'd try to convince you to go 1440p as well. It's so much better.

>>59945464
>Will this build run games at 144fps with a 1600x900 resolution?
Literally nothing will ever. Even the 7700k only gets 75fps at most in some games with awful programming.

>>59945487
Why do you need water cooling?
Just underclock a Ryzen 1700 to 1volt or less. You can passively cool that shit.

>1080p 75hz, general use, good looks
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wHy6d6
Waiting on 580 series for 480 price drops. hope to score a led wraith in the near future cheap.

>>59945492
>>59945523
Alright, i just didnt know if playing at a lower resolution would make it possible with that card. I see that the motherboard on that build has a DVI port. So would i be able to use a normal DVI cable with that card and motherboard if my monitor is DVI?

Iv never built a pc before so im not really sure how it works.

>>59945523
>Get a motherboard with wireless included instead of the $35 wireless card
The only AMD mobos with wireless are X370 ones at the $150 to $200 range.
>And that's too much money for a RX470. They're on sale $130 or less fairly awful.
The cheapest RX 470 is a $170 Asus Strix.

>>59945551
The DVI on the motherboard is only if you have an APU.
Ryzen has no iGPU.

>Alright, i just didnt know if playing at a lower resolution would make it possible with that card
Games are often CPU limited because of shitty coding or just doing so much and being so much more complicated than years ago, no matter how good your CPU is, at not reaching 144fps now days.

Even BF1, a well optimized game, won't stay over 144fps on a 5GHz overclock i7-7700k in multiplayer.

>>59943465

why are SFF cases or cases without a meme vent on top so impossible to find?

shouldnt they be cheap af?

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>>59943465
>GAMES/SOFTWARE
>girl/(male)

>>59945496
>tfw bought a used seasonic PSU and used h115i because to avoid jew taxes
my PC needed these upgrades urgently and there's no way i'm paying taxes on more tech shit.

>>59945390
>You need 32GB for work but a 6700k over a r7 1700? That seems weird.
Eh maybe he likes not having his computer crash randomly after it's been in sleep mode.
Buying a first gen card is usually a bad idea, unless you enjoy being a guinea pig for a brand.
Also 6700k is still better for gayming, not to mention you can also run glorious windows 7 with it with no issues.

I'm sure you'll respond with b-b-but the future! but realistically we all know AAA developers are still going to be developing games for single threaded / multi threaded up to 4 cores for a few years at least. If you think any company wants to develop for 10% or less of their market, you have bigger issues m8.

>>59945578
The ASRock ones have a further discount if you review them and submit your review to them for a rebate.
Check their website for details, it's there somewhere.
I'm pretty sure the X370 K4 is $145 then another $20 off if you do that, idk might be wrong.

>The cheapest RX 470 is a $170 Asus Strix.
Well you can spend that much now.. or wait a few days and just buy your other parts that are good deals now in the mean time, like the Seasonic 550RM PSU.

>>59945607
I was just looking for those yesterday... yeah it's fucking insane what a garbage market that is.
Any decent one is like $85+ which ends up being 40% the build cost for what I want to do.

>>59945677
Ryzen is the smoothest brand new arch launch I've seen. There were issues at the start, but since the R5 launch most things are way smoother as long as you don't get an MSI or ANUS board.
Intel fucked up X99 far worse despite it not being nearly as new with anything.

>>59945464
Heavily depends on what you are playing.

Many games are so limited by their programming that they may never hit high framerates regardless of the hardware. Fallout4 is an example of this.

Other games are simply too intense for any current hardware to run at stable 144fps+ on high settings. Civilization 6 is an example of this.

On the other hand a massive library of lighter or slightly older games will easily run over 144fps. Games like CSGO, LOL, DOTA2, Overwatch, Skyrim (vanilla, or with modest mods) etc.

>>59945585
So that means i would need an HDMI to DVI adapter right?

Would the card in that build ( RX 470 4gb Strix) be able to average around 60 frames on newer games?

Thanks for all the help btw. Iv only ever had laptops so this is pretty new to me.

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>>59945677
>Also 6700k is still better for gayming, not to mention you can also run glorious windows 7 with it with no issues.

Had to given up on Windows 7 installation on skylake CPU, I switched to 8.1 instead

>>59945700
Don't the X370 mobos require better cooling solutions though?

>>59945720
The only things i planned on playing are Overwatch and the new Destiny and Red Dead Redemption so far. I was just asking about 144fps because the monitor im using is 144hz. Iv been gaming on a laptop at 1280x720 at 30 frames for a LONG time so 60 frames at a higher resolution would be fine. Just curious what the limits of that build is.

>>59945578
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157769&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker,%20LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=
$135.
Pretty sure it's another $10-$20 off if you review it and submit that to Newegg. Check ASRock's site

>>59945748
>Don't the X370 mobos require better cooling solutions though?
wat? If anything less since they have better heat sinks in some cases.

>>59945723
You will plug the monitor into the GPU, not the motherboard.

>>59945755
Overwatch is pretty Nvidia favored. A 1060 overclocked to 2000MHz+ runs it on 144fps minimum, I believe.
For an AMD GPU, I think you'd need an RX580 overclocked to 1500MHz+ and even then I think you'd dip under 144 occasionally unless you drop a setting or two down.

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What do you guys do with all of your old hardware? Sell it on Ebay?

>>59945852
nah, I'm using it for my server(s). Hoarder gonna hoard

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>>59943465

/dmbg/ - Daily Mom Build General

only thing that ever changes is the mobo or ram

just dropped under $250 because of a new ram and mobo option

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Is $440 a decent price for a 3 month ROG Strix 1080? I know zero frills Gigabyte models have gone on sale as low as $420, but I haven't seen a decent sale in a while and would like to pick it up.

Is the model worth picking up at that price and wear, or should I wait longer?

>>59945852
I regret throwing away my Tbird1.33 and I'm nostalgic for it. Now I'm scared to throw anything else away...

This i5-2500k was my first intel CPU and it treated me nicely.
I really think I could get $350 building a

>>59945879
I'd spend $4 more to give mommy some 2400 RAM so she can play The Sims slightly better, but looks great.
I also like those Rosewill SRM-01 cases even though they don't come with PSU, if you have one laying around.
And you can find 240GB SSDs for $65 which is so much more GB-per-dollar.
But if you want just absolute cheapest instead of spending that like extra $30 total, that looks good.

>>59945852
Craigslist desu, it's not that bad at least for GPUs

>>59945879
>CPU
>motherboard
>SSD
>case
Reasonable but I don't think reading news and browsing Twitter/Facebook need 8gb of ram.

>>59945852
I'm probably going to either going to donate my old rig to the student network association/club or something similar where I can use it but it can be used as a server by others as well.

>>59945677
>AAA developers are still going to be developing games for single threaded / multi threaded up to 4 cores for a few years at least. If you think any company wants to develop for 10% or less of their market, you have bigger issues m8.

XBO and PS4 both have 8 cores and were first released in 2013.

Why do you think major releases in the last 3-4 years have been significantly more multi-thread aware than they ever were in the 7 years before that?

With the release of the PS4 Pro, XBO S, and upcoming "Project Scorpio" we can be sure that consoles are going to be on 8 threads for a while - likely another 5 years at least.

It's a pretty fucking good bet that 8 threads is going to be the target to meet when it comes to gaming for the near future.

Hey is the MasterAir Pro4 a good CPU cooler? Im having budget problems, seeing as discounts come and go and prices fluctuate.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Cwx8vV

>>59945895
Gigabyte models are better, but if you cant wait, get that shit now.

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>>59945895
>Is $440 a decent price for a 3 month ROG Strix 1080?
You can get 1080s new with warranty for $420-$460, yeah.
But if that has a transferable warranty, I'd say sure.
If not, wait for Vega.

>>59945915
I didn't even notice that retarded statement that guy made.
There are tons of games not just from the last year, but 2014 and 2015 which make 4c/4t CPUs even at 5Ghz stutter badly.

Saying
>games only use 4 threads at most!
is about the stupidest gaming-related statement you could make in 2016, let alone 2017.

>>59945852
I used to just keep things as secondary systems.

Now I can't be bothered to keep more than one system, and the second-hand market is both shit and a pain in the ass where I live.

I try to give stuff away to people I know, and if no one wants it then I just recycle it.

Since I don't expect to get any resale value out of any parts, I plan my builds on the expectation that I won't upgrade until they are old enough to be virtually worthless.

>>59945908
Mom's will have no problem filling the ram with bloatware, especially with Firefox/Chrome tending to use fuckloads.

>>59945935
>Hey is the MasterAir Pro4 a good CPU cooler?
That's something easier to google instead of asking someone else to google for you. You should find reviews.
Use something like the Noctua D12 or Cryorig H7 that is probably on their comparison list benchmarks as a reference of something "very good" and the D15 for "absurdly good", and C7 or L9 for "good enough"

>>59945935
You can get a Cryorig H7 for $35 but you'll have to wait for a bracket. I think you'll have to wait for one with that CoolerMaster one too.

The rest of the build looks fine except
>mixing Nvidia GPU with Ryzen
has bad results on some games: >>59945944
Or just bad results in general. Their driver, and using a software scheduler, just sucks and causes problems that shouldn't ever exist.
Maybe you should wait for Vega. Or for $380 you could get 2 $190 RX480 8GB cards.

>>59945915
I get that you're trying to make a point, but do you understand how retarded your post is?

>Guy A claims no games are being made for 8 core pc games
>You try to make the point that because consoles have, and they sell games, that pcs must too?

Devs do not focus games around 8 cores, because less than 10% of their market (desktop computers) have 8 cores or more.
This is not a difficult concept.

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FUCK MEEEEEE WHY IS AMD SO SECRETIVE ABOUT VEGA 11 REEEEEEEEE

>>59945908

trust me, windows 10 and general browser usage will damn near max out a 4 gig dimm

even right now with 8 gigs it gets close, also dont forget but the GPU will be using that space and i like to just cap off 1 gig at the mobo level for the IGP anyways

i literally have 2 yt tabs paused

1 4chan tab open auto refreshing

pcpartpicker

2 twitter pages

and its at 3.2 gigs in use closer to 3.7 committed

and 0.3 gigs used by the GPU


sure you CAN get by with just 4 but with 8 you truly never have to worry about it

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>>59945935
>Gigabyte models are better
The model I saw go on sale was their basic model, not even the Armor or Duke. Is even that better? I was under the impression the "baseline" cards that weren't FE tended to run around 80C on every benchmark I could find and the higher tiered ones (Armor, Gaming) ran closer to 64.

I can wait, I just wasn't sure if I was passing up a good deal on this model.

>>59945944
>wait for Vega
I really, really want to, but I feel like I've waited so long already and it's no closer to coming out. I'm on an R9 290 that's showing its age and still is loud as a jet engine, so anything would be a relief. The 470/480 refresh is coming out soon, but has Vega been postponed? It was supposed to be the first half of 2017, but I'm not sure I believe that anymore.

>>59946107
Because the first major GCN overhaul.

>>59946098
>Devs do not focus games around 8 cores, because less than 10% of their market (desktop computers) have 8 cores or more.
Except that's wrong. PS4 and XBO have 8 cores and terrible single core performance.The only reason they play games "well" is because of their cores. You are very ignorant on the subject and you should stop posting.

Perhaps you meant PC games? Why on Earth do you think AAA PC Games are recoded from the ground up around 4 threads?

>>59946156
But we have a bunch of details about the VEGA 10 flagship, give me a goddamn price of a cut down version of a god fucking damn flagship

>>59946190
It's a cutdown Vega10. Less shaders, less ROPs, less memory.

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>>59946107
>tfw trying to build a new computer
>Freesync monitors are half the price of their G-sync competitors
>still stuck on 60hz 1080p dinosaur and not sure which train to jump on
Vega never ever

>>59946210
Exactly. So why are they making this CPU so secretive when the flagship specs were already leaked?

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>>59946098
They don't focus around 8 cores, but they do focus around 8 THREADS.
The difference between a 7700k with HT off(which is a 7600k at slightly higher clocks) and HT on is about 30-35% on average in modern games.
And the difference in frame times is way, way more smoothness beyond that simple framerate difference.
4c/4t are garbage at the prices Intel was selling them.

>>59946120
The fuck you're on an R9 290? It must just be your CPU or some malware holding you back. I'm on a 7970 and I'm in no rush to upgrade. I'm playing at 1920x1200 and not 1080p, too.
Just keep that GPU for now. Even if you decide not to go with Vega, you'll save money on the price drops. One more money.
I bet you'll find your 290 working way better with the fresh OS install and new CPU.
Spend extra money on a 1440p Freesync monitor instead of getting that 1070 now. You'll be happier about that in the long run.
>It was supposed to be the first half of 2017
Yes. H1 2017 still. Looks like some time in May. Its retail box has been pictured already. It's close.

>>59946263
MI25 Vega is clocked lower than consumer part. And we know fuckall about HBCC. You can't possibly judge it's performance.

>>59946263
>cpu
I mean GPU
>>59946222
>Freesync monitors are half as expensive
Even less. Im going to get a decent one that is $100

>>59946263
I think Vega 11 doesn't exist.
I think the $400-$450 model will just be a cut down card with CUs disabled and maybe a bit lower clocks.

Just like the RX470 is an RX480 with some CUs disabled and lower clocks. And the R9 Fury was that compared to the Fury X and Nano.
It's far cheaper that way.

Vega 11 will be the RX680 and RX670 next year. Screenshot this.

>>59946286
They would call it Vega20 then. Just like they did with poolaris.

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>>59946266
>The fuck you're on an R9 290? It must just be your CPU or some malware holding you back
It's not really holding me back, we're just getting to the point where the 290 can't really cut 1440p at a framerate I'm happy with on newer titles. It's not terrible, but I have to cut a lot of graphic features in order to get it acceptable. I also don't have Freesync, though that might have helped. They weren't as ubiquitous or cheap when I picked up the 290.

>CPU
Only tangentially related, but it sucks being on a dead socket (Haswell) knowing that my upgrade would be into a chipset that's about to die in Kabylake. Feels fucking bad man

>>59946286
>$400-450
Well that fucking kills my dream, whether it exists or not. My max budget is $380 for a GPU, unless i get rid of the mouse. But its such a perfect choice. Every other mouse its size/shape is as or more expensive than it.

What's a good B350 mobo to get for a first build? Will be getting an RX 480 and a R5 1600 as well.

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>>59946324
>$20 kills your dream
Put it on a credit card, save up an extra couple of hours at work, something. You can't be this autistic

>>59943567
Why matx mobo with atx case? legit curious

>>59946339
Lets just say my coworkers are pissed at me because ive taken all the overtime

>>59946372
Because I don't care about "extra space" since it could be used for other components in an upgrade.

>>59946324
It won't be $380
They can't sell a card that much faster for only 52% more than the RX580's $250 MSRP. That would make no sense.
Even $400 is unlikely and $450 is much more likely unless they plan to price drop the RX500s only a month after they've been out. Which maybe they will, which would be almost as much a dick move as the Titan XP>1080Ti>TitanXp in an 8 months span shit.

Even a Vega 10 with 10% of CUs disabled and clocked down to 1400mhz would still probably be twice as fast as an RX580...
Maybe they'll cut them down 25% instead? idk. Don't think I've seen them cut down a card that much. 7950 was 12.5% cut down from a 7970.

>>59946372
Saves about $40. 5% of the total build cost saved there. No drawback for 99.999% of people.

>>59945852
Yeah, it's part of my upgrade path. Old stuff always gets sold.

I have a laptop as a spare windows machine though. Before that, I kept the old pc in the closet

Will I be forced to use Windows 10 if I get an i7-7700k/z270 mobo or can I still use Windows 7?

>>59946186
You should stop posting until you learn how to use basic reasoning.
You're in a PC BUILDING GENERAL, obviously no one is arguing over what console games are built around. The only thing anyone here gives a shit about in terms of games, is how they run on a desktop computer they built/are building. You can google the numbers yourself if you like, people with cpus above 4 cores are an extremely small margin of a game developers market.
If you're just an xbox fanboy, perhaps /v/ would be more your speed. Come back in 5 years when 8 core computers start to hold a significant portion of the market.

>>59946544
AAA PC Games aren't customly built, sadly. They're ported from consoles. The devs don't recode the entire games around PC performance.

>>59946540
Windows doesn't give support for anything but windows 10 on kab ylake and up.
Just get the i7-6700k if you want to use windows 7 still. It could possibly save you having to delib, assuming you get unlucky with the i7-7700k cpu you get.

So is Windows 10 a shit or should I finally upgrade from Windows 8.1 for gaming?

>>59946580
If you already have 8.1 I don't see why you wouldn't want 10

Why do the AM4 retention bracket kits not come with backings to screw them into?
Do AM4 motherboards already come with them or something?

RX580 card specs
Sapphire is releasing a really good card this time. 1450Mhz. Should be fantastic for 1440p.
>https://videocardz.com/68577/new-card-report-14-radeon-rx-500-edition

I can't wait to see reviews on that, the Aorus, and Red Devil. Might be potential for 1600+ OC which would be greater than r9 Fury performance. Or they could have a 1500MHz wall. Don't know until reviews get out.

>>59946540
Linux boyo

>>59946107
It really worried me to the point where I caved in and bought a 1080. Don't regret it, but holy fucking shit, not a single detail yet has to be bad news.

>>59946573
But they're built for shit tier 8 cores. If it was that simple the ryzen 7, or even ryzen 5s would murder the i7s in performance. But they don't.
AMD literally had to pay two developing teams to optimize for their hardware to obtain a lead.
The majority of games are still developed for single core threading, though that's changing.

>>59946597
>Why do the AM4 retention bracket kits not come with backings to screw them into?
Thick PCBs.

>>59946617
>If it was that simple the ryzen 7, or even ryzen 5s would murder the i7s in performance
You realize the i7 has 8 threads, dumb ass?

>>59946617
8 small cores makes them similar to 4 strong cores with hyperthreading.
Exactly. >>59946266
That's a lot of why 4c/8t does so much better than 4c/4t for the past few years and has become the new normal.

That's why you see a big jump in performance from the 7600k to the 7700k, but not so much to the 6850k if at all.
But having 6c/12t means extra for other shit to run on so the game can run its best on 8 or more threads.

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I'm transferring my 4770k rig to a new case. I am in need of a case to place on my desk that uses a horizontal motherboard position. I'd like to keep my money so I was wondering if you guys could help me out with with at I should do.

Q1: to my knowledge the HAF XB EVO is one of the only lateral cases for ATX motherboards, are there any at around the 90-100$ price mark that you could recommend?

Q2: to those of you who own the HAF XB EVO, if there are any, can you justify using the 2x 80mm fans exhaust to cool your 3,5 HDDs? I had heard of the case overheating drives, but I don't know if that is enough cause for concern

Q3: is it a good idea to remove the Xdock pcb? I have seen a lot of people claiming that the case blew their drives because of some problem with board that acts as an extender for SATA 15pin and data. If I removed it I'd just use extenders for 15pin (my data cables are long enough)

Q4: is there a better fan brand than noctua?

>>59946733
>Q4: is there a better fan brand than noctua?
Scythe, Cryorig, Be Quiet.
Maybe some others are good, not positive. Artic used to be good, not sure if they still are.

Can't answer the rest. gl

found on /r/buildapcsales

>http://www.visiontek.com/refurbished/performance-graphics/radeon-rx-480-overclocked-8gb-gddr5-rear-blower-4m-3x-dp,-hdmi-402-detail.html
>8GB RX480 reference model. Refurbished.
>$170
You might want to replace the cooler with an Artic one or something since it'll be loud and not cool as well.. but really cheap.

>https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125911
>4GB RX480 Gigabyte Windforce
>$170
The coolers on these also suck. But still might worth it given there's no cheap RX470s currently.

>>59945852
Keep it. I'm an electronics horder. anything that costs more than 100$ I want to keep. I've been burned too much when I was a kid. I sold all my gameboy games at gamestop and boy I regret that. My parents got rid of the old win 98 computer and I regret it.

>>59946544
90% of worthwhile games are also on consoles (or mobile), so of course it's important to understand the specs they're built for

>>59946946
>My parents got rid of the old win 98 computer and I regret it.
Sounds like you need to reevaluate your life

>>59946726
>That's why you see a big jump in performance from the 7600k to the 7700
Not really that big, only 30% more performance at most and less in games

>>59947138
? It was like ten years ago. I just personally don't like throwing away or selling electronics.

>>59946450
Well then. Lets see what i can do to lower my build cost.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Cwx8vV
I can downgrade to the Gigabyte gaming 5, but i dont know what im losing.
GPU isnt staying in this situation
Should i go for a 1TB HDD? I dont know if it will be worth it, buy by dowgrading i can milk an extra $15-25 out of it
PSU could possibly go to a 550 or 600, i they are cheaper
Mouse can be changed to the Chroma for an extra $5
Do i go for it? Help me out /g/

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Thoughts?

>>59947377
Drop down to the 1700X. 1600X if you dont do media creation.
>aio on ryzen
It will do literally nothing more once you attempt to overclock over 4GHz
>asrock
Go Gigabyte. Much better UEFI
>8GB 2400 RAM
Get a 16 GB dual channel kit rated at least 2666 MHz
>founders edition gpu
Get a custom card if you can
>enthoo pro
Overpriced meme. Buy a Fractal Design S or R5

>>59947377
How do you really need X370 and 1800X but only 8GB 2400MHz ram?

>>59947375
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xNztbj

stop getting memed. stop skimping on shit that does matter.

>1070
>fucking 1080p

You could really be gold with a 470 but you're better off waiting for the 570.

>>59947460
>rx500
I want a card that will outlast a monitor. Plus i have a 4k tv.

>>59947451
I've got two more 8gb cards with me already.

>>59943567
what do you consider perfect for 1080P. 60FPS average on Ultra in video games? Also how would that build be for content creating (3D Modeling and such).

>>59947499
>mixing and matching RAM
Why do you keep hitting yourself

>>59947499
Then why buy more?

>>59947509
>>mixing and matching RAM
What's wrong with that?

Any point in buying a sound card? I mean I've got audiophile headphones and whatnot, so should I consider getting a sound card?

>>59947497
>I want a card that will outlast a monitor.
That is a poor plan.
Even a mid range monitor should last you around 4-5 years. A high end graphics card will be sub 1050 tier in 4-5 years.
They're in completely different classes of upgrade cycles.

So a guy asked me to build a new computer for his workshop and he uses some really shitty software but doesn't want to change it.
It will create a max of four threads, and when it's actually working hard it maxes out one core and the others are only using 5% or so. I even called the company that makes the software and they said that is normal and it isn't changing soon, if ever.
Is this one of the only instances where it makes sense to get an i5?

>>59947551
Good advice, and you're probably cute.

>>59947571
W-what?

>>59947571
What, are you fucking gay? >>>/lgbt/

>>59947583
You speak English, silly.

>>59947593
いいえ、私はしません

>>59947619
당신은 마스터 경주의 말을 말하지 않는다. 자신을 죽이십시오.

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Decided to go with a Masterbox 5
>10/10 build quality
>modular af
Never again will I fall for the mATX tower meme again

>>59947725
fuuuug forgot to crop

>>59947377
Not that great. Get 16GB of faster RAM and an SSD. Drop to 1500X and get an 8 core Zen 2 or 3 sometime down the road unless you really need that computing power right now. Also I don't think the 1800x comes with a cooler, so you'd need one of those too

>>59947725
At least get a full ATX mobo then fagtron

>>59947743
No shit.

>>59947749
Eventually I will, faglord

>>59947749
>Drop to 1500X and get an 8 core Zen 2 or 3 sometime down the road
That is a terrible plan.
the 1500X is barely cheaper than a 1600 and it is not going to hold it's value as well so when it's time to upgrade he'll have to fork out the money he saved either way.

>>59947750
Calm down why are you people always so asshurt?

>>59947781
>it is not going to hold it's value as well
The fuck? Of course it will hold its value as well as can be expected (you might use Intel CPUs as an example trend). The 1500x is a quad core eight thread CPU.. not going out of style anytime soon. Anyway later revisions of Zen will be vast improvements over the first one, so unless he really needs the power now, he should just wait to get something shiny and new down the road.

The money saved on the 1500X can be used for SSD, RAM, etc.

Can anyone with Free/Gsync give their thoughts on it? Is it worthwhile? Do you notice it?

I can't really find any examples in stores in person, so everything I know about it is just anecdotal. Which I guess this is too.

>>59948013
>The 1500x is a quad core eight thread CPU.. not going out of style anytime soon
It's going to be obsolete as soon as AMD releases the Zen APUs.
If he needs to upgrade the resale value on a 1600 will still be at least $30 more than a 1500X at that time, probably more if what happened to the first gen i3s and i5s is anything to go by. those things dropped to core 2 duo prices within a few months of sandy bridge just because "they're dual cores"
The only way he loses anything going with a 1600 is if it straight up dies, and even then it's only $30.

In my country, the only x370 motherboard is the Asus prime x370 pro (in fact, I just ordered it a couple hours ago). Now I'm worried after reading bad things about it. I'll use it with a R7 1700, and a couple of g.skillz trident z 3200 8gb ram modules. What can go wrong? Should I use it as it is or should I wait for the may BIOS update?

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How good of a case is the Cooler Master N200 mATX case? I really need help trying to figure out the case for my first build (getting an mATX case like people suggest)

>>59948164
Just go with a b350.
This first batch of motherboards is pretty shoddy in general.
There will be revisions and completely new MBs coming out over the next few months which you can pick up then or after their prices come down a bit.
There's not really much difference between a X370 and B350 at this point anyway unless you're doing SLI or crossfire.

>>59948131
>It's going to be obsolete as soon as AMD releases the Zen APUs.
No because the APUs will be more expensive and hotter. In any case, "obsolete" is a clear exaggeration

>>59948336
RR will be on a newer stepping, so it will probably have slightly higher clock frequencies than Ryzen R3/R5s.

>>59948336
The 1500X isn't a particularly stellar perf/watt CPU.
I wouldn't be surprised if a true quad core with an iGPU had a lower power consumption than it in discrete CPU setups.

>>59948410
>discrete CPU setups.
*GPU

>stutterlake
Is this a new meme?

>>59948440
Obviously.
You didn't think it was a new product did you?

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/VPch8K
thoughts?

I'm putting together a PC for video editing, potentially CAD in future. Is there a better CPU/GPU combo than an r5 1600 and 1050ti at this price point?

>>59943922
Not him but how do you get windows for free? Guessing you mean pirating it.

>>59948454
I don't really get how anything can stutter on i7. It was perfect before but suddenly it stutters now after Ryzen's launch.
>inb4 that gta5 video

>>59949031
It's a /g/ meme and a /pcbg/ centered one at that. You should expect at least some bandwagoning and exaggeration with any thing that comes from here

>>59948747
>1070
lol

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/HcrZD8

Hey guys, any advice on this? Trying to build my first PC, but I'm a novice. Been reading guides for a couple of hours. How does this look? I'm trying to stay in my budget of $1500.

Anything I'm missing or any advice? Looking to runs some games at Max with 60FPS at 1440p

Thanks

I bought an Nvidia GTX 1080 FE about 7 days ago from best buy. I can take it back to get a full refund still and I was wondering if I should go buy a EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 FTW 8GB GDDR5X HYBRID GAMING Video Card w/ Liquid Cooling Kit instead.

The EVGA is about $60 less where I will be going. They don't have any TI's and I don't feel like waiting.

>>59949367
>i5
Read OP

>>59949442
>ANOTHER amd shill

fuck off retard

>>59949367

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QrswZ8

Fixed it for you.

>>59949367
rought draft: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GCPPNN
still about 40% more performance

>>59949468
>>59949469
Million dollar question. Is it worth it to go with i7 or Ryzen 5?

>>59949469
ryzen with nvidia gpu with the problems they are having right now.

I mean sure if you don't plan on buying for awhile.

>>59949485
>>59949442
please stop suggesting amd in my thread. thanks.

>>59949485
i7 has better performance. Go with https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QrswZ8 and you will be much happier.

What problems are people having with ryzen 5 + Nvidia?

Is there a way to build a PC that's usable from my bed or couch?

How would you arrange the peripherals?

>>59949485
7700k > ryzen but it's still a better pick than i5 apparently.

>>59949499
>1070 on a 1500$ budget
>liquid cooling meme
>overpriced evo
>750w psu
>"better performance"
lol

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>>59949510
>AMD
>Nvidia

lol i dunno?

>>59949524
I'd like to see you do better then.

>>59949455
>>59949496
Gas yourself kike.

>>59949367
You should go with Ryzen 5 instead but if you're dead set on an i5
>Cooler
You wont need a 280mm radiator for kaby lake.
There's basically no difference between its performance and a 120mm rad like a corsair h80i or equivalent and only a single digit difference between it and a thinner 120mm rad like a H60 or H55 or equivalent
>PSU
750 watts is unnecessary even if you're planning to SLI the 1070 in future, 600watts would be sufficient for that.

Everything else is within the scope of personal taste, as said you really should consider ryzen or at least opting for the more versatile i7 but it's up to you in the end.