/pcbg/ - PC Building General

>>59890027
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/P8crXH
Looking for some advice.
budget is 2300-2600 USD.

Should I dish out for 32gb of ram cause, I'd like to livestream some.

Any edits of the same quality parts for cheaper are accepted.

>>59890060
If you're going to stream, why the 7700k? Hardware accelerated encoding looks far inferior to CPU encoding for a given bitrate, and you have bitrate limits.

You also picked a 7700k with a motherboard that isn't capable of remotely decent overclocks.

>Should I dish out for 32gb of ram cause, I'd like to livestream some.
16GB is more than enough for video editing and streaming.

>>59890163
well anon fix it up for me then.

>>59890163
>>59890199
nvm that board is 8+2 VRM phases, it looks like. That is decent enough for a reasonable overclock.

>>59890199
Go for Ryzen 7 1700/1700X.
also make sure to get a fast memory

>>59890199
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Fmsfjc

Increased SSD to 1TB as well and memory to 3200 for just $90 more total for the build.

You could probably get a 1440p monitor for cheaper, maybe IPS as well, if you drop to 85hz or get one that's overclockable to 85hz.

>>59890335
I'm going to challenge you because you're the most recent person I've seen spout the "Ryzen + fast RAM" thing.

It's a buyers suggestion to pair the two but 90% of the AM4 boards don't seem to be able to get anything stable over 2400/2600Mhz.

I've seen the benchmarks and I understand that it should theoretically benefit from faster RAM but can you show me an example of a real life build where someone actually has it all working?

Seems like all the shitty BIOS out there are holding people back for the time being.

JUST TELL ME WHAT FUCKING 1080 TO BUY

I'm looking to replace my HD6970 as there seems to be a problem with temperature sensor. Sometimes fan kicks up to 100% and it sounds like someone is running a vacuum cleaner next to me. Since I'm not gaming anymore I'm looking for a cheap passively cooled GPU that works well with Linux. So far my options include Radeon 5450, GeForce 210, Geforce 710 and Radeon R5 230. Which card should I get?

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>no one else is buying shit and busted rigs from craigslist, repairing them, and replacing components with retired enterprise hardware

>>59890388
well, tech reviewers and benchmarks can get faster RAM to work, so it has to be possible.
Though it indeed isn't as simple and straightforward as on Intel platforms.
AMD rushed the launch and the motherboard manufacturers had no time to get the bioses right.

>>59890400
>JUST TELL ME WHAT FUCKING 1080 TO BUY
Whichever one is on sale for under $450.
Wasn't the Auros on sale for that yesterday?
There was another for $420. EVGA I think.

>>59890388
Not him, but I've hardly heard of anyone only hitting 2400 since like the first week.

Almost everyone seemed to be hitting 3200 on any 3 memory phase Gigabyte boards on the later BIOS updates before the last microcode update.
The latest microcode update (which was to improve RAM compatibility), however, messed up optimizations for a lot and dropped them back down to 2800 or 2933 for a lot. I'm sure the next BIOS coming out will bring it back up for those that can't hit 3200, but plenty are.

Just get an ASRock or Gigabyte board with 3 or more memory phases, and you'll mostly be fine. Worst case: you drop down to 2933 which is still fast. You don't need single rake Samsung b dies.

>>59890400
I would but the 1080tis are all sold out of stock unless you wants founders editions with shiddy temps

7700 or 1600?

Need halp. Did I go too cheap on the case?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2P6Vyf

Is this good?
>gaming 1080p60 on high
>budget is less than $1000
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RZdWCy

>>59890552
No.
>8gb
>1063
>msi
>bronze

>>59890483
I haven't seen ones sub-500 unless they're refurbs or the EVGA ACX ones, which are the less reliable ones.

And do you mean the Gigabyte Aorus? That one is like, $550 minimum.

>>59890540
Not really interested in 1080ti since I can't do 4K. Planning to upgrade to 1440p after getting a 1080.

My only qualifications for the card are that it cools well and doesn't explode or take a month or RMA it if something goes wrong.

>>59890552
Get a cheaper cpu if you have a lower than $1000 budget. i would suggest getting the 6gb version of the 1060.

>>59890379
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Fmsfjc
thanks but I don't want a ryzen build.

>>59890552
You can get a better PSU for that money or an equal one for less.
Also don't get a 3GB 1060. Either shell out more for the 6GB or get a 4GB 480.

>>59890544
Up to you and you wants/needs. They're both good. The 1600 is obviously cheaper and comes with a better stock cooler.

>>59890549
Get the Seasonic 550RM. $50 after mail in rebate at Newegg.

>>59890552
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zJcrXH
$110 cheaper with a twice as large SSD, better PSU, etc. Change case if you want.

>>59890591
I've seen $420-$450 1080s a lot the past week. They're daily flash sales.

http://galaxstore.net/GALAX-Nvidia-GeForce-GTX-1080-EXOC-8GB_p_93.html
Here is one for $450. Which is weird because I didn't think Galax sold in the US.

>And do you mean the Gigabyte Aorus? That one is like, $550 minimum.
It was $450 a day or two ago for a one day only sale.

>>59890668
I thought you said you wanted to stream? Ryzen 7 is the only choice there. You can sort of get away with a 1600.

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>>59890686
if i have to go ryzen to stream, I guess I won't stream then.

>>59890686
>Ryzen 7 is the only choice there
Or an external video encoding machine that uses a CPU. So an entire second computer. That works, too.

>>59890686
>It was $450 a day or two ago for a one day only sale.
Christ, where? I've been watching slickdeals like every day and checking Newegg/Amazon/PcPartpicker for shit. I guess I need to look harder, because getting one for under 500 would make it easier to pick up a monitor too.

>What is the boot time for the AM4 series motherboards?

>Normally, the boot time for AM4 series motherboards is around 30-45 seconds.
>Boot time may be longer if clearing CMOS or boot up from getting AC power firstly.

I'm sorry, what?
My 6 year old PC boots to usable desktop in under 10 seconds.

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>>59890718

FYI: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NboQoVUTLD14B5vYIEFQiBFsYv7sTU9bg5V5-O2CjVk/pubhtml
Spreadsheet for B350 mobos, did this for myself because i have no idea which one to get.
Maybe someone can give me some more info on this, especially on RAM compatibility.
Personally I'm leaning towards MSI Tomahawk and ASRock K4. I know the Tomahawk still has the POST issue but i do not know if the ASRock will give me 100% guaranteed 2933+ RAM compatibility for either 3000 LPX or Ripjaws V 3200 RAM.

>>59890718
>if i have to go ryzen to stream, I guess I won't stream then.
You can get a 6900k or use a second computer to do the encoding.
It's just pretty retarded when you can get a 1700 build for less money than a 7700k.

>>59890747
>Christ, where
Oh it wasn't the Aorus, but just another Gigabyte one. It was $460 but is $500 now https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125936&Tpk=N82E16814125936

Oh and the EVGA is still on sale for $423 http://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=08G-P4-6284-RX
I'd still wait for Vega since you'd probably have tons of 1080s in that price range to choose from instead of having to just buy the one on sale, if not get Vega, but that's good price/performance currently anyway.

>>59890767
Uh, that's not true. Except for that Tomahawk one that people have been having take 24+ seconds to POST in some cases. But others are fine on the same board, so dunno.

>>59890823
>Tomahawk
That's an MSI board, this was directly from the asrock website
http://www.asrock.com/microsite/AM4TSD/

>>59890686
>Seasonic 550RM
Why? What does it have over the EVGA PSU?

>>59890823
>ayy m dee
>>59890779

>>59890423
People do this but you really need to hunt for the right components for it to make any sense from a financial standpoint. For example, a while back the market got flooded with a bunch of cheap but powerful LGA 2011 xeons when Facebook decommissioned a billion old servers. Problem is there are barely any reasonably priced LGA 2011 motherboards that still work on the market.

>>59890845
That is weird. I've not heard of that, and the ASRock boards are popular.

>>59890870
X99 or don't stream then poorfag.

EVGA has these nice, white PSU cables on their site but they're $90 which basically costs more than the PSU itself. I can't seem to find anywhere where they're sold with those cables, so are they just being retarded or am I missing something?

>>59890823
What kind of spec requirements are there fore the second computer option?
You can get pretty fast used office computers for less than $100 these days

>>59890578
>>59890552
>8gb
go for 16gb

>1060 3gb
pls. either go for RX480 4GB or 1060 6GB

>bronze
literally doesn't matter. Don't fall for the manufacturers memes

>>59890913
http://www.logicalincrements.com/articles/streaming#twopc

>>59890913
>You can get pretty fast used office computers for less than $100 these days
You'd want at least a recent i7 to do the encoding. You could probably get away with a recent i5 but it could drop frames while encoding, so probably going to cost you a little more than $100 unless you can find an absolute steal somewhere.

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>>59890944
>literally doesn't matter

>>59890767
My 1500x boots in approx 4-5 seconds with ASRock ab350 k4

>People are too dumb to update their BIOS

Every single CPU release ever

>>59890975
It really doesn't unless you really care for those couple of watts more from the wall.

>muh reliabilite tho
same across all efficiency ratings

>>59890879
> Problem is there are barely any reasonably priced LGA 2011 motherboards that still work on the market.
you can get intel ones for like 80 dollars as long as you aren't looking at ebay/aliexpress

>>59890849
A lower price point right now. And it's still "top tier" alongside EVGA.

hello. would you change anything that's not too efficient?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2bWdcc

>>59890981
That was actually one of the boards I was looking at. How do you like it? What is your ram running at vs what it's rated at?

I think I've identified the motherboard I want to use. I want to use either
MSI Z270 X or MPower Gaming Titanium OR the Gigabyte Aorus G-Z270 Gaming 9 (rev. 1.0), an E-ATX board
Selection will be based upon connectivity options ... which board offers the greatest flexibility of most-recent technology front and rear ports. Suggestions?
Also, I'm planning on the Asus Xonar Essence Stx sound card, any advice on that

>>59891025
Asus Dual is piece of shit. Why not 480 for full amd build though?

>>59890950
A low end i5 encode isn't going to have good quality if you want to keep the bitrate low for viewers. Not even worth the setup hassle tbph if you aren't getting at least an i7. Also, NGINX can be used on the secondary PC to capture a high bitrate broadcast from the gaming PC over LAN rather than using a capture card. Saves quite a bit and you don't have to deal with the headaches a capture card can present.

>>59891053
too hot and power hungry as i read. also i'm mostly interested in emulation and nvidia gpus do it better

hello where are the good looking itx cases at?

>>59890879
Thankfully there are still an absolute assload of 1366 boards and compatible Xeons on eBay for next to nothing.

>>59890823
memes aside, how is the ryzens cooler?

>>59891048
Excellent board for the price and has had good support

I'm running a beta BIOS and have 3000 gskill ram undervolted a bit and overclocked stable at 3200

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hows this for a stress test? I only have a cooler master tower for my cpu for now but I have a water cooler that i will put on as soon as corsair sends me the adapter I lost.

did I get a good 7700k? not sure what a good voltage be for 4.7 OC

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>>59891121

>>59891163
yeah Im going to turn down the OC until I get my water cooler up and running. I just wanted to try it out for a second to see what voltage I can get with a mild OC

>>59890718
I will never understand the fanboy logic

>>59891088
True. Getting a little bit long in the tooth but it looks like you can get quad core Westmere-EPs for about $25 and hex cores for about $75 and LGA1366 mobos for around $100. Could be useful for setting up a cheap server.

>>59891121
How's that mobo? ASUS did a good job making it look sexy but doe sit perform well?

>>59891209
>fanboy
>logic
choose one

>>59891224
>>59891209
>replying to yourself

>>59890913
You could game on one i7 and have another i7 doing the encoding.
A G4560 could possibly do it if it's 1080p 30fps output. I really don't know for sure.
A R5 1400 would certainly handle it and be a bit cheaper.

>>59890955
He's talking about a machine to do encoding on the CPU. The hardware encoders are much worse quality.

You can technically do it, and drop the quality. People obviously like good quality video instead of a bunch of artifacts, go figure.

>>59890910
cablemod.com or whatever.

>>59890849
Seasonic are super good quality even for their cheap ones.
And it's semi-modular so you'll have less unused cables hanging around in your case.
It's a fucking steal at $50. I would still recommend it at $70.

>>59891067
>too hot and power hungry as i read
That's just people being autists.
150-180W isn't too hot or power hungry, for fucks sake.

>>59891090
For stock it's good. Similar to $20 ones. Like 30-40% better than Intel's.
It seems good for 1.3-1.325v. 1.325-1.35v if you replace the thermal pad with better thermal paste.

>>59891121
Jesus what cooler is that?
The deep red colors are trying to tell you something. Do you really have to ask?
And that's at 1.28v? LMAO.

>>59890549
Get a cheaper 100 usd b350 motherboard, put the money into a 8gb x 2 kit.
Also i would get 500gb ssd instead of the two drives. I would get additional space from an old laptop or desktop.

>>59891222
I love the bios and such and the WiFi adapter they give you is really good. I have no complaints so far it's been nothing but a dream for the brief time I've had it. Tech deals did a good review on it

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>>59891250

>>59891257
I was just asking if that's a good voltage for 4.7 OC :(

water cooler is soon. It's just some air cooler tower I bought for $30

Help me /g/, I'm in PC Building limbo and need some guidance.

I was initially intending on building an R7 build when they were released, but that turned into an R5 build because it makes more sense for my needs. Then I had intended on a SFF build, but realized there aren't any MiniITX motherboards available. I decided Micro ATX would be suitable. However I then decided that I would want to get a Vega GPU for the build, but that's not going to be released for a few weeks. Now I'm realizing that getting Ryzen now might not be a good idea because they don't have an APU, and that AMD might be releasing the chips with APU this fall.

At this point I'm not sure what to do. I've been waiting to build a Ryzen box since it was announced and now I feel like I'm in an awkward place. I don't currently have a desktop.

>>59891257
To add, you could do CPU encoding on the 7700k in most games if you framerate cap to 60fps or 30fps or something.

But if you want to game at 100+fps AND encode on the same machine, you need a R7 or 6900k.
You don't to use the built in dedicated encoder since the quality is ass on anything fast moving. And other hardware GPU encoders have the same problems. Encoding on the CPU is simply by far the best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jludqTnPpnU

>>59891257
>He's talking about a machine to do encoding on the CPU.
I know. I'm just saying that even on a separate PC set up for streaming, an i5 may not be powerful enough to be worthwhile. For the stream to be a good quality you really want to target OBS's "fast" setting and I'm pretty sure that's going to make an i5 chug.

>>59891298
It's a good voltage for 4.7, but your temps are fucking awful.

Still sounds awful even for a $30 tower cooler. I bet you're going to have to delid. And you need way better airflow over the VRMs, too.

>>59891300
Just get a 1600 and an Rx 480 8GB and coast on that for a while. There'll always be something better down the line so just get in now while things are cheap and then do an upgrade in a year or two if you must.

Don't fall for the Just Wait™ meme.

>>59891323
Yeah. To get high quality CPU encoding with a dedicated machine that does nothing but take the output from what you game on, encode it, and send it to Twitch, a 1400 is probably the minimum you could use. But he doesn't want to use AMD, so another 7700 it is.

>>59891300
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zJcrXH
Use that as a starting point and see if that changes your mind.
Vega will be better, but also more money and not out yet.

>>59891328
Thanks for the advice.

>>59890060

Switch the motherboard to the Z270 Apex and ram to Trident Z 4266mhz

A better cpu cooler for the high memory OC

Why do people advise against buying Windows OEM keys, again?

>>59891382 reminded me

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So what's the deal with the 1700x? Is it really just a 1700 with a factory overclock?

>>59891455
Because the seller can revoke the key and resell it.
Make sure you buy from some place that gives you some sort of purchase protection to prevent them from doing that.

>>59891468
It's binned like 2.5-3.5% better.

>>59890981
>>59891048
>My 1500x boots in approx 4-5 seconds with ASRock ab350 k4
As far as i know the POST/boot issue only concerns the MSI Tomahawk.
>I'm running a beta BIOS and have 3000 gskill ram undervolted a bit and overclocked stable at 3200
G.Skill Ripjaws V 3200 CL16 by any chance? If so, what are your settings and did you reach stable 3200 before the beta BIOS?
I'm actually looking at the ASRock K4, it has a little better sound due to seperated PCB section and it's on sale here.

I'm really in between the Tomahawk aka boot for longer than my first Pc ever or the ASRock.

Recommend me a case.
Mid tower
Don't need any external drive bays
Vents on front, not flat panel
Window or vent on side, not flat panel
USB3 x2, audio, power on front, not top
My previous case was a HAF 912 and I loved it, but new ones only have 1 USB3 port.

>>59891263
I'm getting the X370 for the wifi. And since this my first build i don't have an old desktop. I'm oy getting that RAM because Ryzen RAM seems funky right now.

>>59891340
So you're saying there will always be something 'around the corner'? I just feel weird buying a motherboard with display outputs that can't be used. The whole 'upgrade' later thing doesn't sit well with me though, because at that point I'll have leftover parts that will turn into another computer, which isn't somethig I'm very interested in.

>>59891382
Vega will be better, and if the release is anything like Ryzen it will be a hot ticket. I have money, that I'm not worried about.

>>59891503
So what's the non-cuck version if you're just going hrough the things on the pcpartpicker list? The ones listed as 32/64-bit?

>>59890718

If you can wait 2 months then no problem

https://benchlife.info/intel-x299-platform-might-launch-at-computex-04092017/

>Skylake-X is probably the most exciting HEDT product coming from Intel since the original Core i7, and I'm sure they want to make an impact here. One friend told me some applications/games are seeing 10-15% performance per clock increase compared to original Skylake, that's probably because of the new cache architecture and quad-channel DDR4. Expect the entry level 6C/12T to become a very attractive all-around choice for productivity and high-refresh/multi GPU gaming choice.

>Also, unless I'm mising something, this is the first time Intel mentions 'LCC' next to one of their HEDT codenames. I wouldn't be surprised if they are planning a special 'MCC' version of it with even higher core count. BenchLife hinted 10C SKL-X would not be their X SKU and than an italian blog reiterated the rumors about 12C SKL-X.

>>59891549
>another fucking chipset

>>59891503
>It's binned like 2.5-3.5% better.

So considering it's about 70 eurobucks more expensive on average it's a complete waste of money?

>>59891536
The alternative is waiting another 8 months to a year until the Raven Ridge APUs are out for desktops.

If you want a VEGA anyways, what are you concerned about integrated graphics for?

You can also sell of spare parts when you upgrade.

>>59891549
A socket change a year keeps the goyim in fear.

What happens to ryzen idles when overclocked?

>>59891544
Kinguin with purchase protection (like an extra $5).
Their support can be a hassle sometimes, but usually fine. Usually the seller isn't going to be dumb enough to try revoking when you have the purchase protection.

>>59891576
Yes the extra you pay is not worth it.
If you have the money, the 1800X is nice, but it's obviously not good price-performance as anyone would expect.

>>59891621
Doesn't seem to hardly affect idle for most people.

>>59891549
>streaming on a $1700 10 core
>not a $1250 16 core

>>59891586
>The alternative is waiting another 8 months to a year until the Raven Ridge APUs are out for desktops.

You think it will be that long?

>If you want a VEGA anyways, what are you concerned about integrated graphics for?

I mean you could say that about any GPU right? It just feels weird having ports on my system that I can't use.

> You can also sell of spare parts when you upgrade.
I suppose.
> work

>>59891639
>Kinguin with purchase protection (like an extra $5).

No I mean what's the "you pay full price and it's absolutely, undeniably yours" option?

Is that just anything without the OEM branding?

So, is the RX500s worth waiting (specifically 580), or will they just be higher clocked rehashes of the 400s?

>>59891714
Definitely the second one.

>>59891714
Refined manufacturing process. More perf/watt.

Looks like there are many custom OC versions of the cards coming at 1400-1500MHz stock OC whereas most high end models of RX480s only hit about 1370 or 1380 on a manual OC.
Only RX480 I'd get now are the ones known to OC over 1400MHz fine like the XFX GTR, unless you get one really cheap.

PowerColor is already sending their 6 VRM phase 8+6 pin model out to reviewers, so we'll see soon.

>>59891665
>You think it will be that long?
Looking at things like Vegas track record, it could be even longer. The RR APUs are coming out in some notebooks around September IIRC and then they should be available for desktops a couple months after that.

>I mean you could say that about any GPU right? It just feels weird having ports on my system that I can't use.
I get where you're coming from. It triggered me when I realized my HDMI port on the mobo was essentially non-functioning. I know you wrote off the upgrading thing, but if you think about it, you're going to have to upgrade EVENTUALLY, especially if you're into gaming. I thought about it and figured that:
1) The AM4 Socket will be here until at LEAST 2020
2)I will be plugging all of my displays directly into the GPU anyways
If I ever want to upgrade the CPU in 2019 because a hotnew APU is coming out, I can just slide it right into the AM4 slot and get use of the port.
Similarly, if a hot new GPU comes out Ican just swap that in and upgrade.

tl;dr It's not worth waiting 8 months because of port autism. If you actually, undeniably, can't live without an APU and Vega in your system, then go ahead and fall for the wait meme. Otherwise, there's cheaper, available options that can be at your doorstep in 4-7 business days.

>>59891759
>More perf/watt.
Oh dont start that shit.
Difference will be like 5% tops and they'll be more expensive for months.

>>59891665
AMD has or will have many millions of dollars of orders to fill for APUs to Apple, Microsoft, and laptop manufacturers before there will be ones to sell to consumers.

It very well may be mid-late Q4 before consumers can buy them.

>>59891785
I'm sure it's over 5%. It must be since the reference model is still a 6 pin yet clocks are 8% higher.
The difference between the XFR GTR and your average RX480 is more than 5%.

>>59891785
RX480 4GB is already on sale at b&h for $205.
They'll cost more than the RX480 8GBs that have been sold under MSRP for weeks, but I doubt they'll be 1060 prices despite outperforming.

>>59891759
I don't want to sound like an ass but what's the point of overclocking a GPU like the 480 if it's in that weird spot where it destroys anything in 1080p but can't really handle 1440p that well?

>E5-2630L v3 ES's are going for 110$
holy fuck

>>59890686
Sorry for the late reply, kinda sleepy. To be honest I prefer intel + geforce for some reason but I did consider the AMD build. What I saw though is the R9 Fury you linked costed at least $360, a $100 difference from $239.99 displayed in the build you gave, which basically puts its price right next to what I initially made.

anon can you recommend an intel + gtx equivalent? Though I tried to make another one with some of the changes you made.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/F4CPNN

A lower tier build is fine, I guess. All I really want is to get out of 15fps gayming
>:'^)

I really like this damn case idk

>>59891870
I was referring to this one
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zJcrXH

>>59891833
It does handle 1440p well. Much better than the 1060.
An RX480 at 1500mhz is similar to an R9 Fury, which is a great 1440p card.
But as long as you can get the R9 Fury for $240, well yeah that doesn't make a ton of sense.
It helps having that headroom as games have higher requirements, though. That OC will help in GR Wildlands, for example, as it's so shittily optimized.

You just need to turn a setting or two down. "ultra/max" in games now days is a fucking joke that's just to rig benchmarks. It doesn't change perceptible visual quality in most cases.

>>59891870
In the US, the R9 Fury is $240 at Amazon. You need to search better.

>>59891870
>anon can you recommend an intel + gtx equivalent
7700
+cheap z270 board. Sometimes you can find them for $85-$90. Doesn't need good VRMs just so long as it supports decent RAM unlike the B250s.
+2800-3200 RAM, whatever you can snag a deal on.

But no, I can't recommend the 1060. Too overpriced. Don't know why you're sperging about getting a more expensive yet inferior card.

1440p144hz or 1080p144hz monitor?

ryzen 1800x + 1080ti

is 4G of Vram still okay for 1080p? I don't mind turning some settings down if needed. Modded Skyrim or Tomb Raider or something will probably be the heaviest I plan to play. Also is 8GB of RAM at 2400MHz good enough for Ryzen or should I shell out $50 more for 3000-3200MHz and 16GB? The most tasking thing I'll probably be doing is playing a game and watching a movie/browsing 4chan on another screen

>>59892080
>1080ti
1440p

Looking for a 27", 1440p, Freesync monitor. I don't really mind if it's TN or IPS and the refresh rate doesn't concern me but it needs ot be at LEAST 60hz and not cost $500.

Should I just drop down to 1080p if I want cheaper or do I have to wati for flash sales?

>>59892080
1440p duh.
Having only 1080 vertical lines is garbage.

>>59892096
>is 4G of Vram still okay for 1080p
Yes, as long as you turn down textures as "max" or "ultra" textures now days are generally made for 4K resolution and give more detail than you'll see at 1080p.

And it's especially fine on an R9 Fury, which handles games that use 6-8GB of VRAM at higher resolutions better than GPUs with more VRAM do, compared to its 1080p performance.

>>59892113
Also, I know i said at least 60Hz but I don't care for 144Hz either. Anything 60-75Hz(I think that's another standard) is fine.

Why does nearly every case have such shit tier front I/O?
Also whatever happened to hinged front panels?
My friend bought a case 5 years ago where he could open the front like a door and he could unplug the fans because they were cordless somehow. and access his hard drives from the front.
I remember thinking how convenient that would be for cleaning and how that was the future but I can't even find a single case with that shit anymore like it was a dream.

What is the best Gamepad for the PC?

The Xbox ones?

>>59892134
I plan on an RX480 or 580, not sure which yet but the 480 I had looked at was $50 cheaper at 4G than 8G. Fury and Vega are a bit out of my price range.

>>59892192
Xbox One or Steam controller for general use.

I know some people like the PS4 controller as well but that's personal preference and I think you have to jump through some software hoops and register it as an Xbox One anyways.

>>59892080

Are you a frametime autist? Do you absolutely need every setting maxed?

You'll get rock-solid 144hz with the 1080. 1440p is great but you'll probably need to turn down a few settings or live with occasional 16ms frametimes when turning a corner.

>>59892113
1080p144 is pretty nice but all the panels under $500 are 2004-tier TN crap. The smoothness is nice but you have to jack the fuck out the brightness, desktop looks gross etc. If you can stretch I think there's a 1080p144 IPS for like $550, supposed to have more ghosting but nice colors. I have a 1080p60 IPS Asus that was like $200, it looked great before I got spoiled by 144hz. Still use it for productivity stuff.

>>59892174
Doesn't the Fractal Design Define R4/R5 do that?

>>59892271
>are you a frame autist
yes

>>59891938
Ah is that so. Well I guess I forgot to tell that I'm not from US. Local stores only have 1700s and RX 470s and 480s. I'm knowledgeable about AMD boards yet. I'll research more.

>>59892001
Thanks. There are no R9 Furys here in the rice fields and ordering one online is very expensive ($350ish).

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>>59890027
>that little drip of yellowish coolant left in the line

>>59892323
>I'm knowledgeable about AMD boards yet. I'll research more.
I meant I'm not knowledgeable about AMD boards. Yeah I need sleep.

>>59892323
Apparently they've gone up. They were $240 2 days ago on Amazon.
Not worth it at $300+, nope.

That needs to be removed from the next OP as a recommended card, then. >>59890027

>>59892335
'tism
>u got it

>>59892271
I'm not really concerned with 144hz and I'd rather avoid it actually just because of the added cost.

I'm just looking to get two 27" 1440p monitors with one being for gaming and the other for productivity so ideally the gaming one would use Freesync and just have at least 60hz refresh rate.

>>59892418
>I'm not really concerned with 144hz and I'd rather avoid it actually just because of the added cost.
Don't worry, the 7700k isn't going to hit 144hz in the majority of newer games either. Nothing will. Especially console ports. They are flaws of the engines.

>>59892498
I'm not worried about anything, besides the fact I can't seem to find a 1440@60 or 1080@60 IPS monitor with Freesync technology that isn't some retarded price.

>>59892538
You can get a 1440p 60hz IPS for $250 and overclock it to like 75-85. You shouldn't hardly drop below that framerate with your hardware except on like.. Arma and maybe FO4.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01K1IO2DG?psc=1 He's a 75hz one stock for $260.

>>59892599
No Freesync, to be clear. I have no idea what's going on with 1440p Freesync. But Freesync isn't a big deal if you never drop below the monitor frequency.

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I have the cpu, mobo, and gpu. Case, cooler and psu are on their way.
Haven't ordered the ram yet.

Should I run a 480 8gb or a r9 fury nitro?

Thinking of partnering it with a ryzen 1600.

I'd like it to be good for 3-4 years. Assume same price for both Carss, someone is selling a fury for the equivalent of 200 USD and 480's cost more than that new by $50+

>>59892274
Yeah they do I just dont understand why it isn't a universal thing.
It seems like there's no reason other than cheapness to have one of those hard clip on front panels but most of the top tier cases have them
Also this was the case i was talking about https://youtu.be/g6uqupcZHN0?t=72
That fan mounting system is just so good I thought it was going to be an industry standard when i first saw it, not completely abandoned. All it needed was the hot swappable bays and more easily removable dust filter and it would have been perfect but instead it's lost to time.

Monitor guy here, I'm gonna break it down and maybe you guys can help me fill in the blanks

1080p@75, Freesync TN - Asus VG245H 24"
1080p@60, Freesync IPS - ________________
1080p@60, No sync IPS - Asus VN248Q-P, Multiple options exist at this level

1440p@60, Freesync IPS - ________________
1440p@60, No sync IPS - Asus PB278Q 27.0" Multiple options exist at this level
1440p@144 Freesync IPS - Asus MG279Q 27" (ONLY MONITOR OF ITS TYPE)

So it seems like if you don't want Freesync, you're fine. But if you want Freesync and a higher resolution you're shoehorned into the expensive 144hz monitors when it comes to IPS.

>>59890027
I'm looking to build a computer soon that's going to be primarily for gaming.

I would like it to be able to run most modern games on high settings at 60fps in 1080p.

My budget is around $1400 - $1600.

I'm hoping for this build to stay relevant for at least 5 years or so with maybe a couple upgrades here and there.

My biggest question is whether I should go with an AMD build or Nividia/Intel.

>>59892674
>(ONLY MONITOR OF ITS TYPE)
What?
Pixio PX277
27inch 1440p144 IPS Freesync
350$
Huge bezel though.

>>59892708
Nobody knows if Ryzen will stay relevant. It may or may not happen. I'd go for 6c/12t coffeelake.

>>59890027
The i5-7600K looks like a pretty neat/capable processor but that shit looks like it can run hot. Is it enough to buy fans or would someone have to do more to keep it cool?

>>59892726
I'm just going off of the pcpartspicker list. You're right, though, I did miss a monitor and it's the Acer XF270HU.

That one is not listed on there. Is there a better tool for price comparisons on monitors?

>>59892774
Get a delid. I delidded my 7700k and it runs 62c under load

>>59892774
>>59892796
Oh, this is also with a 212 evo at 4.9ghz 1.35v

>>59892774
>2017
>i5
Nigga, what are you doing?

>>59892708
Depending on how "soon" you need it, the Ryzen CPUs are a milestone as the first affordable >4c CPUs on the market and their AM4 socket will be in use until at least 2020.

Personally I'd go with a 1600, 1600x, or 1700 and a RX 480 8GB and that'll handle 1080p fine for years to come.

There's more debate between an AMD or NVIDIA GPU, however.

And like the other anon said, you could wait for the Coffee Lake CPUs if you want to stay with Intel and still get the 6c/12t experience.

Either way don't buy anything 4c/8t like the 7700K. They'll be old tech in the years to come.

Currently busy building a pc over a period of time the specs are as follows
>750watt vantec 80 plus brones psu
>Asrock z170 fatality board
> 6600k cpu
> Adata 240GB SSD
>Bitfenix aurora case
>zalman reserator 3 max dual

Still need to get a gpu and ram any recommendations on what gpu to get with a buget of about $200

>>59892646
If you can still find the r9 fury for $240, it's obviously better.
But apparently their prices jumped up. I don't see them that cheap anymore.

>>59892708
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jZ9Y7h and add one of those monitors people have been talking about and an RX580 when they go up for sale in 4 days.

>>59892774
7600k is pretty ass. Idk how anyone can think it's good now, let alone any 4c/4t from like a year or two ago. Maybe they're just seen cherry picked benchmarks and not all the time it stutters and drops frames in so many games.

>>59892858
4c/8t is still perfectly fine at least today. Hard to predict the future, but I think they'll still be perfectly fine as long as you just need 60fps min for many years to come.

>>59891760
>>59891814

This is indeed insightful and eye-opening. I think I've come to a new plan, although not my ideal situation. Offer a suggestion, if you will.

I think I'm going to guy a new Ryzen setup now (either R5 or R7), and go for a good/effecient SFF GPU for a MicroATX setup, and then later down the road switch it out for a regular-sized Vega GPU, while slowly collecting parts for a SFF PC. Eventually I want a PC to put in my living room and hook up to the TV.

Does that sound good? Keep in mind I've been out of the gaming world and desktop PC world for a while now. In fact, I still have a old PC that I used through high school and college that had the GPU die about a year ago. I'm not convinced it's worth saving so I don't know what I'm going to do with it. Thanks for the help.

Are MSI bios for Ryzen fixed yet?
Is Pro Carbon even worth considering if it costs almost the same as Taichi and I actually do need wifi anyway?
According to https://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/f12/am4-mainboard-vrm-liste-1155146.html MSI has same mosfets on all their boards, but are those better or worse than what Asrock offers?
I want a motherboard that could last for 6+ years, probably with a CPU upgrade or two, so I am wary of B350, or are those fine too?

>>59892796
>>59892819
>>59892821
>>59892930
Be realistic with me. Is the extra $100+ actually worth it or are you guys just buying an expensive processor with an i7 label on it. What are you doing where you require that extra power.

>>59892970
>Are MSI bios for Ryzen fixed yet?
No idea, i'd like to know, too. From what i know it sadly isn't. Saw some forum posts from this month still complaining about the issue.
My guess is that either they will fix it with the next big update in may or it's, hopefully not, something worse tied to the MSI hardware.
>I actually do need wifi anyway?
Check prices. If the difference between B350 + wifi card and X370 is miniscule, get X370.

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>>59892965
If you need a hold over GPU, RX460s often drop to on sale for $70. Ideally you'd just use some left over GPU, though, to wait out for Vega.

I'm currently still using my 7970 while waiting for Vega. No Rush, since I can still get 60fps in just about anything with it still looking good.

>>59892970
That list is wrong.
>https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/64zw20/am4_motherboards_list_041217/
is accurate.
Though, you can't totally go just by phases since the quality of the VRMs matters as well.

Top 2 motherboards for B350 in mATX currently are the Gigabyte Gaming 3 and ASRock Pro4, imo. You can get the later for $65 on Newegg until Monday, too, with a rebate if you leave a review.
Prime seems hit or miss. Some people say it's amazing, others that it's crap. And the Newegg reviews are 3 stars.

>>59893066
Considering your total Intel rig for a 7600k that can OC to 5Ghz is probably over $1500, $100 is then only 6.7% more money for 50% better minimum frames in most newer games.

7600k is g a r b a g e.
4 threads is g a r b a g e

So the 7600k is better at single core performance and the 1600x is extremely better at multi core performance? And pretty much everything is multithreaded these days? Except video games? For about the same price, the 1600x seems like a much better choice right now, as long as you don't care about gaming.

>>59892859
What country do you live in, anon? You might be able to get a better PSU.

I tried making a list of what you said a made a few changes. Maybe something like this will work for you?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Py8qgL

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Someone can recommend me how the fuck i can get a cheap computer? Not your fucking 1500$ builds i mean a REAL cheap computer just for shitposting and watch stupid videos on YouTube since im not into gaming or editing videos or whatever
My Pentium 4 died and im angry right now

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>>59893187
craigslist

>>59893167
Games are getting even more multithreaded, see the pic above your post.

The only thing I'd recommend an intel CPU for right now is for a PC that is only for PCSX2 emulation (or something similar) that is completely dependent on 1 powerful thread which, to get the best performance, would come from an unlocked Kaby Lake currently. If the PC is for anything else and you're on anything resembling a budget, Ryzen is the logical choice.

>>59893167
Yes.
The 7600k is about 110-125% as good at single threaded compared to the 1600X.
The 1600X is over 180-220% as good at multithreaded compared to the 7600k.
>Except video games
No, most games now days benefit heavily for more threads. Take all AAA games released the past 2 years, and the 7700k with HT on is about 30-35% better on average than HT off.
You can see >>59893138 where the gain is actually 50% just from HT vs no HT. There are a few other games that also benefit over 50%, some 20% or less. Average is usually around 30-35% which makes a locked 7700 outperform a 5Ghz 7600k for much cheaper.

>>59893240
>>59893187
This. Used/refurbished office PCs can't be beaten for price if it's only going to be used for 4chan/browsing.

>>59893299
Well I should say
>more threads /to a degree/
Most games now days benefit from having 8-12 threads, but anything over 12 not really.
Mind you, that's AAA games.

>>59893066
I have a 1080 and game at 1440p 165hz. I upgraded from a 4.7ghz i5 6600k.
In most games, all 4 cores were being maxed out on the i5 and it was somewhat bottlenecking the performance of the 1080.
With the the i7, i'm getting about 15-20 more fps and the frametimes are much smoother. There's no noticeable skipping.

>>59893174
Thanks for this, the parts i listed i have already. im in RSA and the rand is going to shit so the buget is getting tight. Is the Rx470 much better then a gtx1050TI

>>59893289
>>59893299
Alright, thanks. 1600x added to my list.

>>59893240
I'm from EU so i am looking im eBay
>>59893314
When you have a 50eur Budget everything looks bad

>>59893365
>50eur Budget
You've got bigger problems than having a broken Pentium 4 PC then, my European friend.

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I'm thinking about getting a 1080 ti, but so far I've only found the reference ones.
Are they too hot or is it better to wait for non-reference ones?

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>>59890027
I had the chance to get a new1050ti.
But the manufacturer is "Colorful" and I don't really trust in brands i don't know. Just wanted to know if that brand may be a little defective or something. I haven't really see it in my country, just on russian unboxing videos

Pic related.

>>59893459
Nvidia hyped up a better reference cooler, but I've been hearing that it's still awful.

>>59893471
If it's <40bux or something, why not?

Thinking of upgrading from my 4690k build as it stutters a lot in bf1 with a 480 Getting 100% cpu usage.

Thinking of grabbing one of those microcenter ryzen bundles, but can't decide on which one.

The bundles are about as expensive as an i7 7700k here without a motherboard.

So I'm thinking of either a 1700x with a msi b350 mortar for 389 or a 1600x with the same board for 299.

Is there any reason to consider a 370x board if I'm going to be gaming and light photoshopping only? I don't have a nvme ssd yet and don't really need one soon either as my 850 evolution is doing fine.

>>59893459
Better to wait for non reference. Blower style coolers are trash.

>>59893494
Really? I thought the Microcenter bundles were like $40-$50 off?
>So I'm thinking of either a 1700x with a msi b350 mortar for 389 or a 1600x with the same board for 299.
Yeah uh, that's not expensive.
But can you just get the 1600 with a discount, too?
You could also simply get a 4790k and not need to get new RAM.

>Is there any reason to consider a 370x board if I'm going to be gaming and light photoshopping only
No.

Is ASUS customer support bad enough to deter one from buying a GPU from them?

>>59893415
>You've got bigger problems
I have food in my fridge so it's not that bad but i want write with a keyboard,writing in my phone sucks a Little also the screen is too tiny

>>59893542
plug a keyboard into your phone, cast your screen to tv

>>59893521

Yeah but wouldn't 3200 MHz ddr4 make it a lot faster compared to my 1600mhz ddr3? Besides I'm hearing of people with i7s maxing on bf1 too so I'm thinking of future proofing myself.

I wish I had bought the i7 back then but I fell for the games don't use more than 2 cores meme.

>>59893489
It only cost me like 10 bucks.
A friend bought it for me. just paid shipping
I just wanted to know if I made the right choice

>>59892757
>>59892858
>>59892930
Thanks guys

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>>59890027
Getting a PC for free, what can I do with this build? Ignore the prices on pcpartpicker they're really out of date.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xtHZD8

>>59893601
Web browse, play retro games, watch Youtube videos, light home server functions.

>>59893601
If you wanna put money into it, you could swap the CPU/MOBO/RAM for a 1151 socket and put in a Skylake chip and some DDR4 RAM and get a better GPU for games.

If not, you could just toss another HDD in there and use it for media and storage stuff.

>>59893601
Give it to this guy >>59893187

>>59893601
>that build
>650W
Who ever put that together is a retard.
Anyways, get additional RAM so that you have at least 8GB and throw a cheap SSD in there, for example a 240GB PNY CS1311 and call it a day.

>>59893538
>Is ASUS customer support bad enough to deter one from buying a GPU from them?
Absolutely. It's not like they make the best or cheapest ones, anyway. Why on Earth would you buy them?

>>59893582
>Yeah but wouldn't 3200 MHz ddr4 make it a lot faster compared to my 1600mhz ddr3
Well.. yeah, in some cases. Like FO4.
The 1600X will certainly be better on average. But also more expensive without factoring in the power savings I guess.

>>59893601
Replace the CPU with a Core i7-870 if the motherboard can handle it.
Get 2x4GB RAM.
Get an RX470 or some used card that's less tremendously shitty.
Or >>59893669

That thing is so bad that I'd trash all but the PSU, though.

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>>59893489
>>59893504
Oh well, that sucks. It seems I have no options, but to wait.
Thanks.

>>59893658
>>59893659
>>59893669
>>59893670
>>59893703

Thanks anons, unfortunately I was afraid of hearing that but thought it may happen.

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Roast me.

>>59893703
>It's not like they make the best or cheapest ones, anyway.
What would you recommend for partner cards then?

I keep getting conflicting information when trying to do research.

>>59891549
yeah right and make me pay 1200$ for the i7 right ?

no thanks

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>>59893756
>he fell for the water chilled PC meme

>>59893780
For who?
For AMD?
Sapphire, XFX are top tier.
MSI and Gigabyte are still good. So is PowerColor IF you get the Red Devil, but nothing else.
ASUS ROG Strix are fine if you get them on sale it's just that you usually have other options.

>>59893813
I'm hitting mid 80C on my evo 212 for my 4690k stable OC at 4.5Ghz. I can maybe go higher and keep my CPU cooler.

>>59890027
Anyone know any cases that can reliably fit a 560mm radiator besides the Caselabs offerings and the Hex Gear R80?

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>>59893850
>he fell for the CPUs-that-need-to-be-delided-over-half-the-time meme

Alright, I'll forgive you since AMD CPUs were shit then.

>>59893845
Was thinking NVIDIA since I have cash now and don't want to Just Wait™ for Vega.

>>59893850
Or you could drop a 4790k for $300 in there, let it run near stock and still BTFO your balls to the walls 4690k OC while keeping the 212 evo on it.

>ASRock Fatal1ty AB350 Gaming K4
>ASRock AB350 Pro4

Why is one 15$ more? I'm looking over the specs and I can't actually find a difference between the two.
http://www.asrock.com/mb/compare.asp?Models=Fatal1ty%20AB350%20Gaming%20K4,AB350%20Pro4,

>>59893885
Hm.. not sure. I think I hear Zotac are good?
Hopefully someone else can answer. I dropped Nvidia GPUs a long time ago.

>>59893888
Yeah this.
A 4790k at 4Ghz is going to heavily outperform the 4690k at 4.8GHZ.
Spending $700 to watercool a dogshit 4c/4t CPU that'll still keep stuttering in games from the past few years is beyond retarded.

>>59893138
>>59893335
Ok, I think I understand what point of view you're coming from. You're looking at it as a full gaming rig. That's not really my intent. That doesn't mean I won't play games on it but that isn't my main goal. My goal is to have a decent rig that is more than capable of running Studio One/Piapro/Vocaloid 4, Blender, drawing software, shit for coding. I'm honestly thinking that an i5-7600k is already overkill for these tasks but I want to build a semi-decent computer. Spending the extra money on an i7 doesn't seem to be worth it unless it can be proven otherwise.

I'm trying to see what I can do with ~$800. Will that get me the best computer out there? Course not but I'm not looking to build the best computer either. The $800 is a fictitious limit I am placing on myself. I could spend more than that but if I don't try to impose some limit (at least initially) then it would be really easy to try to buy the "best of everything" and spend a crazy amount of money for a rig that is way beyond what I would need. Realistically, any PC I end up building is an upgrade over what I have now.

>>59893921
And you think a less threaded CPU is better for that? Wat.
Go look at blender render times for the 7600k, 7700k, 1600x, 1700. Go look at the recommended CPU for that audio software and I'm sure it'll say "more threads".
At the very least, you should be getting a 1500X.
The 7600k is pointless for literally anything compared to something else you could buy.

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>>59890027
So I am in the process of doing some upgrading on my rig to get to a point where I can do passthrough. Number one issue I have though apart from anything is that I feel like my RAM is too puny to realistically get away with this. I have 8 GB of ram in my machine, and I would imagine I would need to keep 2 GB available for my host machine to keep functioning and working.

Is this viable?

If not, then the amount of RAM I need would need to go up. The ram I have in my machine though seems a bit pricy to go out and buy the same kit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHCyR6uTLSc

can I get by with something else? Or would 8 GB be alright perhaps?

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which one to pair with an R5 1600? still not sure if I need 16GB yet but the price/GB is better

>>59893917
>I dropped Nvidia GPUs a long time ago.
Yeah, the 480 is great for 1080p but I wanted to step up while the 1070/1080 prices are lower, but I don't see Vega dropping them any more. I just get a lot of conflicting information about partners, EVGA has exploding fuses, ASUS has awful support, MSI has mediocre support and I had a bad RMA with them before, Gigabyte cards have coil whine and mediocre support, etc. Seems like more luck than anything to get a good card that doesn't need repairs.

>>59893978
shit i had the wrong thing on my clipboard
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231538

>>59893982
whichever one of those are samsung b-die memory

>>59893921
Look at Ryzen. They didn't release any 4 core cpus at all. Everyone wants more cores.
A 7700k is better at productivity and gaming.
Quad cores are dead.

>>59893899
At one point in time it looked like only the Fatality one could handle DDR4 at 3200 but maybe a BIOS update fixed that. The Pro4 could take up to 2666 according to Newegg but their site has 3200 listed as well.

The more expensive one could have fancier power phases, but other than that they look basically identical.

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>>59894024
>Look at Ryzen. They didn't release any 4 core cpus at all.

the 1500x and the 1400 are both 4 cores.

>>59894021
Shitty samsung b die is worse than good Hynix, ffs.

>>59893982
The later, obviously. You should get at least 2800 with Ryzen. Or really at least 3000 since that 2800 might only run at 2666.

>>59894020
>ddr3
>poor shitty VMs
It should technically work, yes, sure.

>>59893978
Depends on what your host OS is. You probably COULD get everything under 1 GB if you're running Linux, but it may not the effort. Mixing different types of RAM isn't exactly recommended, but it should work just fine(at the speed of the slowest stick you have).

Is it worth it to go mITX for a Ryzen 5/480 build or is mATX the way to go?

>>59894041
4 cores 8 threads.
They didn't release any basic 4 core cpus.

QUICK, POST YOUR FAVORITE CASE

>>59894066
ddr4 ram wasn't really a thing back when I first built my PC, desu.

>>59894078
Host OS will be some linux derivative, probably cinnamon or MATE running the host OS.

I mean I can't recall anything I do anyways that draws that much ram.

maybe I'll just upgrade to 16 GB of ddr4 since it would run me nearly the same price

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>>59894093
Did you bother to check if mITX boards were even available?

>>59894102

>>59894124
I'm not going to buy it now you doofus

>>59894093
>>59894147
Okay, well, Ryzen+vega will probably be the most godly mITX ever considering the low power consumption and how small that all is.
Like.. duh?

>>59894093
>mITX
Basically a meme until prices come down to earth. Unless you're on the move a lot, mATX will be more cost effective and cooler.

>>59893899
Almost identical boards. Differences are:
1. According to ASRock website the Pro4 does not have seperated and isolated PCB layer for audio.
2. No Creative whatever super mega hyper sound
3. Steel PCIe slot.
4. PCIe locking mechanism
5. LED on the south bridge heatsink.
That's about it. Imho if you do not care about audio, get the Pro4 but if you do get the K4.
Idk about RAM on those boards, seems like for all AM4 mobos 2933 is the maximum speed but don't take my word on this.
Personally i'm considering the K4 but i'm still thinking whether i should pay more for better sound, Intel NIC, better VRM and probably better long term reliability on X370.

>>59892930
Thanks. I'll probably go for the Fury, only thing is its used and a half hour drive but will come out for around 60 dollars less

>>59894221
I just noticed that the Fatality board currently has a combo deal with all Ryzen CPUs so the boards are effectively the same price right now.

>>59894221
>Idk about RAM on those boards, seems like for all AM4 mobos 2933 is the maximum speed but don't take my word on this.
Uhh no, tons of them do 3200 no problem.

Just some people are to retarded to enable X-AMP or DOCP or whatever the board manufacturer is calling their automatic memory profiles, or too retarded to input the timings manually.

>>59894269
>Uhh no, tons of them do 3200 no problem.

If your RAM is using Samsung b-die anyways.

>>59894328
No, even with decent Hynix dies.
You only need high end single rake samsung b dies for hitting 3600+ with your external clock gen.

>>59893888
>>59893917
I feel like upgrading my CPU now is still not quite necessary when I'm playing at 1440p. I'm waiting for next year's Intel and AMD offerings which I hope will be a larger difference in performance compared to last year. I really wanted to by a Ryzen but I figure they might be able to get a really good offering on their second gen CPU's like Intel did with Sandy Bridge.

I figured a watercooling solution is a more permanent upgrade than Kaby Lake's small performance upgrade compared to the 6000 series or a 1st gen AMD CPU.

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/d4k39W

Any thoughts or suggestions?

>>59894390
It has never been less important to water cool CPUs. A $50 air cooler can serve you for a decade+ with how cool good chips are running now. I mean shit, Ryzen is a 95W chip at the high end.

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I'm currently on a 4 year old system and I would like to get a graphic card for now and then upgrade the whole thing maybe a year or so down the line

Is 1070 still the way to go value wise? Or should I just get a 1080 or wait for Vega?

>>59894269
>Uhh no, tons of them do 3200 no problem.
Probably expensive Samsung b-die, but idk. My RAM choices are Corsair LPX 3000 and G.Skill Ripjaws V 3200, neither of them is Samsung b-die.
Do you know if they run at advertised speeds? My guess is that both run into a wall at 2933.

>>59894248
>t. american citizen
Why am i stuck in this shithole called Jewrope?

>>59894383
Coming from a super shitty computer, will I even feel much of a difference between 2400 and 3200? I have a single channel 667mhz now

I'm torn, should I get the Asus ROG Strix RX 480 8GB or the XFX GTR RX 480 8GB?

Can anyone recommend a bluetooth adapter for my new build? So many on Amazon.

>look at builds on pcpartpicker to give myself an idea on how components look when installed
>blinded by LEDs and can't see anything on like 80% of them

fuck i hate it

>>59894450
The infinity fabric connecting the different CCX on the Ryzen die depends on RAM speed, so Ryzen is very responsive to increases in RAM bandwidth.

>>59894418
Yeah at stock or OK OC they work fine. Why not just OC your system to the maximum stable clock and get as much as you can out of your processor? For me that's past what an air cooler can do. I've been able to run vidya with minimal disruption at 1440p 144hz and in VR since I'm pushing it as hard as I can. It's a small investment over time if you consider you only need to buy a cheap bracket every chipset change if you don't feel like getting a new waterblock for your GPU. Also, my 1080 waterblock wasn't pictured.

>>59894393
don't get seagate for the love of god, unless you do weekly full backups

>>59894484

XFX.

>>59894390
>I don't think upgrading my CPU is necessary
>buys $750 of water cooling
fuck you

>>59894510
I've been using a Seagate ST500DM002 500GB HDD for over six years now and it hasn't been a problem.
What should I get instead?

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>>59894498
$800 is not a small investment for such an incremental jump in performance, but hey if you want to drop $800 for another 1-200 MHz then be my guest. Also do you have any idea if you're even thermally limited right now? You may not be able to even push that OC any higher anyway.

>>59894425
>Is 1070 still the way to go value wise
What? No. It's the worst value card you can get besides like a 1050.
You're paying twice as much than an RX480 for like 30-40% more performance when you should be getting 100% more for such cost.
When was the 1070 ever good value? Since launch it never was and it's only gotten worse.

>>59894484
Obviously the XFX GTR if price is the same.

>>59894537
You got lucky.
Hitachi or the higher end WDs like the black series.

>>59894537
I had a ST1000DM001 or 003, it gave me partial failure at 1 and half years and it died at ~2 years, I lucked out on getting a 1tb external drive and was able to backup my stuff (mostly)

If you're getting WD, and have a bit more money, steer clear from blues and greens (specially greens), reds are good for 24/7 and blacks have a massive 5 year warranty, I heard good things about the hitachi, but I don't know much about them

Alright lads, 1600 or 1600X?
About $60 difference between them after getting cooler for X.

>>59894533
>>59894573
Yes I set my highest tested voltage+OC and saw my temps go into the 90's. I changed it back to my current 80C max OC as I don't think 90C+ is sustainable.

The cost of the watercooling will allow me to OC every new CPU I buy for decades. The worth of a new CPU is measured in years. I figure if a good new CPU+mobo is ~400-500+ that a one time payment of $800 for ultra quiet maximum permissible performance is something that pays for itself over time.

>>59894682
If you want to overclock, get the 1600, if not, get the 1600x and be happy with stock speeds (and easier overclock too)

Which PSU would you chose?
>Seasonic PRIME 650W Gold, 109€
>Super Flower Leadex II Gold 114€
>EVGA G3 650W, 133€
I know the G3 is excellent and based on the Leadex II, but i don't know how much of a difference there is.
The PRIME Titanium is excellent and well reviewed, but for the Gold version there's literally not a single review.

>>59894809
get the one with best 80 plus [metal] you can afford on your desired wattage, psu quality is not something you should cheap out

>>59894809
I would trust any Seasonic PSU.

>>59894716
>The cost of the watercooling will allow me to OC every new CPU I buy for decades.
Even if we assumed every component of that system will last for decades (it won't), you'd still be better off saving that $800 and spending it on a better CPU the next time you upgrade, or spreading out that savings over the course of your next several CPU upgrades assuming you don't always buy the very best CPU on the market.

You have an extremely basic air cooler right now. High end custom loops have been shown to have performance that is just barely better than high end air cooling which is of course, more reliable and less expensive.

>>59894852
Not that guy, but how retarded would it be to get a 1kW platinum PSU for a 600W system as a way of keeping the PSU from even needing its fan to turn on for cooling?

>>59894924
Probably stupid
Get a 750w at most

>>59894913

>more reliable and less expensive.

You can't say that on /g/ - it triggers the /v/ spillover. Soon this thread will be flooded with corsair fanboys telling you that you are wrong and that Noctua, Cryorig, Thermalright et al are liars.

>>59894924
"on your desired wattage" I said, I never implied he should get a 1000W psu if he doesn't need it

>>59894913
>You have an extremely basic air cooler right now.

Oh. How much better does it get than the Evo 212? It seems exboxheug already.

>>59894956
>How much better does it get than the Evo 212?
a lot more than you'd think, even more on noise

>>59894956
Cryorig H7 is the new cooler

Corsair Vengeance LPX or G.SKILL Ripjaws V?
For my Ryzen build and I want it to actually work at 3200.

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>>59894956

>evo 212
>rated for 120 - 140 TDP
>huge fuckoff dual towers
>range from 200 to over 300w TDP

You can air cool a goddamn 9590 on the top air coolers without deafening yourself and that is a chip rated at 220w stock.

>>59894947
I think he was just asking theoretically would a 1000W overkill PSU be so powerful that its fan would never turn on.

>>59894942
B-but muh water.

>>59894956
I own a 212 Evo and although it's better and quieter than a stock cooler it's still pretty low end. There are much better (and more expensive) air coolers.

RX480 8 GB or GTX 1060 6 GB

Will go buy tomorrow 1 of them but not sure what to pick.

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>>59894931
I just saw that the corsair 1kw one doesn't even have its fan turn on at 40% load. It's peak efficiency would also be at my system's operating wattage during games.

>>59895031
RX480

>>59895031
rx480, what brand though ? Stay away from Gigabyte, XFX GTR and MSI Gayming is recommended

i dont care about overclocking

which board should I get for a r5 1600?

needs to have a decent amount of USB ports

>>59895028
oh well, It would be pretty retarded, modern psu fans are quite quiet, but it would work seeing what >>59895040 posted (which is probably the guy I answered to)

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There's a 1440p 144hz G-Sync monitor going for $300 with a MIR hoop to jump through, and I'm really close to biting the bullet.

Only question - I've gamed on 1080p for over a decade at this point, and my only concern is that it's not "as good" for mobas/brawlers/fighting games as 1080p. I don't really have anything to back this up beyond the fact that most "professional" players use 1080p to drive high framerates. Does anyone have any experience with this? Am I overthinking it? I'm picking up a GTX1080 soon, so I'm not worried about driving it too much.

Sorry for the shit question in advance.

>>59895079
Nope, not him. Just postulating for future builds.

>>59895084
if you're going to pick up a 1080 just get whatever that monitor is, you won't have any problems gaming at 1440p 144hz

>>59894975
I'd like to know this as well.

>>59895102
just buy 3200mhz CL14 RAM from g.skill and you should be good

>>59895052
Is the XFX brand good now?

>>59895111
what are you going to do with it? what is your budget?

>>59895123
Sapphire is usually top dog but the XFX GTR RX 480 was the best version of that specific card.

>>59895118
noob question, lower CL# is better, right?

So C14 > C15

>>59893950
>And you think a less threaded CPU is better for that? Wat.
Of course not. Generally more cores and threads combined with a decent frequency is always better. It's more about the money.

>Go look at the recommended CPU for that audio software and I'm sure it'll say "more threads".
Honestly, they say dual core. Blender was the one which recommended quad core. From the videos I have been watching, it appears that the processing power really comes in handy, not for games, but for productivity.

I'm still concerned about the amount the thermal usage for either K chip though. You might be able to sell me on an i7 but I'm not dealing with water cooling. I refuse; I don't plan to overclock anyway. I'm nervous fan cooled wouldn't be enough so I'd end up frying the chip. If that's the case then a raw i7-7700 (no K) would probably be the better choice.

https://www-ssl.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/compare-products.html?productIds=97128,97129,97122

>>59894024
Well, I wouldn't say quad cores are dead. Many i7s are quad core with 8 threads but I think you meant to say that quad cores with 4 threads are dead.


Should I wait to see what Intel releases for i5/i7 for Q2'17? Isn't that around the corner?

>>59895143
is it more future proof compared to the gtx 1060?

btw what you recommend more a Ryzen 1600 or a ryzen 1500X

>>59895073
>i dont care about overclocking
Wait for A320 series to save money or chose whatever you want, all are more or less the same.

>>59895159
yep

CL = CAS Latency

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>>59895140
I just wanna play videogames that aren't on my Intel HD 4000 Laptop. Also would like to do start doing my image edits at decent speeds rather then waiting for shit to load my laptops current CPU.

To give some context Im 19 and pay all my own bills (car/med/dental). I just want a nice small budget form factor PC.

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>>59895100
Did you make the switch between the two resolutions? I guess I'm anxious about the jump in framerate messing with reactions/information to take in/I'm not even sure.

I'm sure you're right, I just can't really find anything on the subject outside of resolutions FPS games are typically played on, which I don't touch.

>>59895194
not him, but get the 1600, the additional cores/threads will last you longer, and even at lower clocks it still outperforms the 1500X at multithreaded workloads and general multitasking

you can also overclock it later and get even better performance

>>59895212
>and acronym containing an acronym

woah

>>59895118
>just buy 3200mhz CL14 RAM from g.skill and you should be good
Not him but CL14 is ridiculously expensive here, 3000 CL14 starts at 150€, 3200 CL14 at 175€.
I doubt it's worth over 3200 CL16 for 128€, don't you think?

>>59895251
>I doubt it's worth over 3200 CL16 for 128€, don't you think?

if you want current Ryzen mobos to run your ram at 3200mhz then you need to get 3200mhz CL14 g.skill cause that'll be samsung b-die, which has the best support across the board right now.

>>59895006
>rated for 120 - 140 TDP
Where are you seeing that?

>range from 200 to over 300w TDP
I'm seeing the Noctua nh-15 is like 220W and is one of the dual towers

>>59895235
Here is what I am planing to buy XFX 480 GTR

Ryzen 1600 ( Not the X version)

and Gigabyte AB350 motherboard.

>>59895213
what games do you play/want to play? And what are the specs of your old laptop?

>>59895251
>>59895118

What about something like this?
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/jjZ2FT/
And how do you know if your RAM is "dual channel" or not? That's a motherboard spec, right?

>>59895290
looks quite good if you ask me, you should buy (if you don't already have) some good thermal paste, I personally don't trust pre-applied stuff

>>59895290
I haven't checked out that motherboard but the CPU and GPU look good to me. You missed a really good sale on the XFX GTR yesterday, though. However, I expect there'll be more in the future since the 580 will be hitting.

>>59895213
What is your ideal budget?

>>59895294
Old Laptop specs
i5-3320M
Integrated Graphics
4GB DDR3
128 SSD

And honestly I don't have any games in mind at the moment I just want to be able to run stuff at 60 FPS comfortably.

>>59895185
It's almost impossible to "fry" a modern CPU thanks to the automatic overvoltage and thermal protections built in. They'll just shut down if you try to do anything stupid. If you're not overclocking anyway, you have absolutely nothing to worry about. Even if you were, you'd be alright though.

Also, intel has been riding the same 4c/8t i7 meme for over 5 years. I wouldn't expect them to change that anytime soon but Ryzen could change their thought process. Their next release is for high end stuff, Skylake-X and KabyLake-X, both on the X299 chipset if I'm not mistaken. I think it's Q3 at the earliest though.

>>59895274
Question is, will RAM compatibility improve and is the b-die worth it?
Because to jump from 3200 CL16 G.Skill to 3200 CL14 it can cost me up to 50€.

>>59894942
I don't even go to /v/. It's unbearable. I've tried before.
Do they seriously buy into the AIO forced meme that hard there?

>>59894956
Uh what? There's tons of air coolers better than the Evo 212. That thing was only good for 5 years ago.

>>59895073
ASRock Pro4 or Gigabyte Gaming 3 or 5. If you want X370 for some reason, or need wireless built in, then the ASRock 370 Killer, Taichi, or Gigabyte Aorus

>>59895143
Not just the XFX GTR RX480, but just about every XFX card has 5 stars on Newegg reviews and no one else's does.

>>59895111
Worst build in the thread so far

i still maintain that there is no 1080p@60+ IPS Freesync monitor on the market

and ESPECIALLY nothing at 1440p@60 IPS Freesync WITHOUT going into the expensive 144hz range.

>>59895363
>Worst build in the thread so far
How can I improve

>>59895376
Give us a budget.

>>59895306
>And how do you know if your RAM is "dual channel" or not? That's a motherboard spec, right?
One, two or four sticks will always work. With dual Channel aka two matching RAM stick you get better performance though, four sticks on a Dual Channel board is worse since you can't run and benefit from Quad Channel.
Corsair Veangence LPX is good but it's not Samsung b-die so it's not optimal for Ryzen.

>>59895288

>I'm seeing the Noctua nh-15 is like 220W and is one of the dual towers

It is - the silver arrow extreme models are rated for over 300w due to the fans. Equally the Le Grand Macho will handle over 300w with a fan (and will do 95w passive).

>>59895213
See: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QD9Y7h
If it's not too expensive for you upgrade the case, it's the bare minimum.

>>59895388
$550

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>>59890027
How does this look?
Strictly for gaming.

Motherboard and ram choices due to a bundle with the cpu on newegg.

I could forego the small savings if it's worth getting something different.

$1500 max budget.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8R7FM8

>>59895394
Can you explain what a b-die is?
From what I understand when they make your hardware in Malaysia or China or wherever the fuck, they just have a literal bin on the ground containing things that were previously tested and fell within a certain range?

So a Samsung b-die is the best "bin" and has a better chance of being on the higher end of the "silicon lottery" as people put it?

what's a good but relatively cheap wireless wifi adapter that works with windows 10? preferably a PCIe x1 type. My internet is pretty shitty so I'm not sure a strong one would help much

>>59895363

>Do they seriously buy into the AIO forced meme that hard there?

Anytime PC building turns up on /v/ its full of idiots slapping AIOs on their cpus and are convinced they outperform big air by miles. You see a lot of it in these sorts of threads on /g/ because AIO are currently hot shit because reviwers always use them on their test beds and the liekso f corsair have put a lot of money into marketing.

There is exactly one good AIO in existence and that is the EK predator and that is only because the predator is effectively a prebuilt custom loop.

>>59895338
you will be able to run games @60 FPS on the 1050ti, but it depends mostly on screen resolution, what are you planning to get?

>>59895412
G4560
RX480
2x4GB of DDR4 2400
240GB+ SSD
Seasonic 550RM PSU (more wattage than you need but it's on sale cheaper than the 450 now)

>>59895416
Looks good, but honestly that cooler is overpowered as I keep saying.
Granted it's cheap as hell, so I guess you might as well, but you could get something smaller and more aesthetic. I got the Cryorig C1 myself.

That's also way too much fucking money for a 1070 when you can get a 1080 for $420-$460. Even at $325, 1070s aren't really worth it.
I'd recommend waiting for Vega most of all since Nvidia is running especially shit in DX12 on Ryzen. I feel a ton of people are going to regret pairing Nvidia with Ryzen soon.

Get windows key off Kinguin or something with buyer protection. Only like $25.

>>59895416
Just noticed a compatibility issue with the cooler and the motherboard.

Says I might need a mounting adapter for it.

Any other recommendations?

>>59895439
>Anytime PC building turns up on /v/ its full of idiots slapping AIOs on their cpus and are convinced they outperform big air by miles
I'd love to see their VRM temps and laugh at them.

>>59895468
>you will be able to run games @60 FPS on the 1050ti, but it depends mostly on screen resolution
Except you can get an RX470 for the same price and it's 40-50% faster.

>>59895416
Don't actually pay for Wndows 10, please.

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not sure which ram to get as I want to be able to overclock whenever amd fixes the ram issue also should i stay at 1080@144hz or move up to 1440@60? what's the difference

>>59895471
You have to give Cryorig proof of purchase of the cooler and CPU and they mail you an AM4 kit for free.

>>59895427
>Can you explain what a b-die is?
Basically the memory chip on the stick. There are several variant from SK Hynix, Micron, Samsung, etc...
Samsung b-die is the best for Ryzen, but should be 3200 14-14-14-34. Other dies will run at lower speeds such as 2933 or 2667.
Downside of this is availability and price, b-die is usually much more expensive than other RAM.

>>59895501
I hope you don't plan to overclock on that board.
Picking the cheapest isn't always the best idea, especially with motherboards.

is there an AIO cooler that isn't a meme? I really like the aesthetic, but I can't find any that's worth purchasing over a giant steel block of an air cooler.

>>59895439
AIO's have a big thing going for them: They look good.

What AIO's need to do to be more acceptable are 4 year warranties, significantly quieter fans, and larger built-in reservoirs to take advantage of water's thermal capacity - which is one of the biggest benefits water has over air.

At the moment a lot of AIO's feel like the manufacturer doesn't actually know wtf they're trying to do with them.

>>59895527
i don't mind spending more

SeaSonic SS-650KM3 650W

or

SeaSonic SSR-650GD PRIME GOLD 650W

or

EVGA SuperNOVA G3 650W

All are 80+ gold.

>>59895398
>silver arrow extreme
>fans can push 130cfm, but at 45 decibel
Should I be impressed of disgusted at that? It's impressive that It could even overclock a fucking 9590 but that noise must be deafening

>>59891870
>anon can you recommend an intel + gtx equivalent?
The equivalent is 6900k + 1060 6gb. Around €500 more.

>>59895470
Eh, I'm not too worried about aesthetics, I just want it to perform well.

I'm really looking to be making my purchase within the next week. Do you think I should just go with Intel? I don't really want to wait for the new AMD GPUs.


>>59895502
Would I have to wait like two weeks for it?

Because if so I'll just get something else.

>>59895561
The second one if reviews are good on it, since it's new and people don't have much experience, but why do you need 650W?

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>>59895590
>anon can you recommend an intel + gtx equivalent?
>The equivalent is 6900k + 1060 6gb. Around €500 more.
More than that.

>>59895561
All are 5 year warranties, so honestly it's probably best to go with the cheapest unless you can get better details on how much smoother and gooder the voltages coming out of them are and then that only matters if you're overclocking shit

>>59895561
I was planning on getting the 550w G3 so if anyone has it I'd like to know how you like it too

>>59895583

I say impressed given they have a fairly reasonable curve on their rpm profile. I sort of want to get some of those gaudy orange fans for my regular silver arrow but my current cpu (a 3.9ghz 1700) needs nowhere near that level of cooling.

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$540
$35 in rebates or $45 with motherboard review

>>59895540
They need not to fucking die and perform on par with the stock cooler after a couple of years of use. Most of them are garbage tier.

>>59895646
>>59895630
Does this shit come with the cables? EVGA sells white ones on their website but they're $90 - ninety fucking dollars which is more than the PSU itself.

>>59895652
I think it would be possible to even overclock those 16c/32t amd is going to release soon with that monster

>>59895678
>caring about cable color
literally stop