/pcbg/ - PC Building General

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>>59896172
First.

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>>59896172

the only PC you need for non autists and gaymers

change each part to OutletPC for bulk ordering it was compiled as cheapest for that outlet anyways based on being cheapest in 3 of the parts anyways

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CLvQYr

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>>59896203

>>59896245

>intel literally is going to keep i5's at this price point when AMD has hyper threaded 4c's at the same price

>>59896192
Sort of.
The ground goes through the wire and all. So it's not not grounded if not screwed in tight to the case, if that's what you're asking.

>>59896207
Get DDR 2400. You'll get a good performance increase for the like $4 cost increase.

>>59896239
The gold Seasonics are still really good quality and cheap.
But if money is no object? Yeah I'd get the fanless/platinum ones.

>>59896174
>I have the 7700k on there not the 6700k though.
How much better than the 6700k do you think the 7700k is..?

>From what I understand it's still going to be a while before games start utilizing more cores efficiently, right?
Sure. But those are cores less over for other applications to use so the game can purely use 8-10 threads itself unobstructed. Meanwhile the 7700k is maxed out 95-100% load on all 8 threads.

But if literally all you do is turn on your computer, play games, and turn off your computer, and you have a monitor that's higher than 60hz, then the 7700k is generally better. Unless those stuttering problems it gets in many games even at just 50% load that Ryzen doesn't are really some architecture issue and not user setup error.

>>59896263
Dropping prices would be admitting they screwed people over. And there are still people that will pay the absurd prices because GenuineIntel.
They have to wait until the 8000 series to lower prices.

>>59896323

>4 dollar increase

just be happen i spent more on the PNY, the SV300 SSD is more than suitable too but out of spite of all the votes that has over the PNY which is infinately faster i chose that.


you can always just spend bit more, this is for the non-autist, this is a no brainier

they're going to be using the intergrated graphics which can play 1440p youtube vids without dropping frames and any other 1080p content across the web without issue, while also multi tasking anything else

and the choice of 4x2 ram is that in a pinch you can still get by with just 1 stick, if you know for a fact you almost use 8 a lot then just get a isngle 8 gig stick and add another later one

>>59896343

arent they doing that already by having pentiums with HT?

i mean i just bought a 4600 which outperforms my older 4170 in both computing and also its 610 graphics is light years ahead of the 4400 graphics

>exploding EVGA 1080's are only $40 less than the premium, non-exploding ones
Dude what

>>59896398
It's to fuck with the retards that think "muh $40 difference is too much to be worth it"

someone suggest mobo and ram for r5 1600

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>>59896172
I think it'd be good to something about how it might not be advisable to mix Nvidia GPU with Ryzen CPU if playing DX12/Vulkan to the OP. It's iffy whether or not Nvidia will get their drivers fixed.

>>59896372
Guess so. If literally never going to touch games (the G4560 can play Dota, CSGO, etc, with the iGPU and 2400 RAM), that is a good build if someone can actually get that BIOS flashed.

>>59896390
Yes. They were screwing people over making them pay so much more to get a dual core with hyperthreading when it costs them pennies to add to a CPU. Finally added it to the Pentiums. Still screwing people over on the i5s, though.
Intel can offer a decent product at decent prices if they want to. They just didn't want to for a long while.

>>59896466
ASRock Pro4 mATX and cheapest 3200 as long as you can handle it maybe only running at 2933.

>>59896501

get the cheapsest ASRock mobo if you're that worried, i just flashed it over the net from its bios screen without issue in a build a few weeks ago

id assume every major mobo maker would have that ablility by now tho

>>59896323
My main problem is that I don't really want to wait for the new AMD GPUs to come out, which apparently would be the better thing to do since Ryzen and GTX cards aren't working very well together.

I feel like I'm just trying to build a new computer at a very awkward time.

How long is the RX480 going to be able to run modern games on high settings at 60fps at 1080p?

Should I just get one of those and upgrade to a Vega later on when I need it?

Most demanding games I'm going to be playing atm will probably be Fallout 4 with lots of mods, and Rust (being as it's absolutely not optimized whatsoever).

Maybe also GTA 5.

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How's this look for a 4k Kodi HTPC/light couch gaming rig? I don't know a ton about video decoding, so I'm not sure if I even need the GPU. Most of my content is h264. Very little (none?) is h265 yet.

I had a different build with a Kaby i5, but I think that might be a bit unnecessary.

>>59896597
Forgot to mention that media storage will be on my NAS. 120gb SSD is mostly for OS. When I say "light couch gaming", I mostly mean emulators and indie shit, so I think 120gb is enough for that.

>>59896597
You should just get the 1600 and overclock it its only like $30 more

>>59896547
>I feel like I'm just trying to build a new computer at a very awkward time.
Yeah, kinda.
>How long is the RX480 going to be able to run modern games on high settings at 60fps at 1080p?
Dunno, but it's not like you can't sell it and get Vega/Volta/Navi.
Scorpio is similar power to the RX580 and doing 4K 60fps. Why shouldn't console ports of those games? They only wouldn't unless intentionally gimped, or you turn the settings up higher than what they are on console.

>Should I just get one of those and upgrade to a Vega later on when I need it?
You could get a used 7970/280X for like $65-$85. It's almost as good as an RX470, and better than a 1050Ti.

>Most demanding games I'm going to be playing atm will probably be Fallout 4 with lots of mods, and Rust (being as it's absolutely not optimized whatsoever). Maybe also GTA5
Yep a 7970/280X will be good on those.
I still get 60fps min with graphics maxed on my 7970 in For Honor in the 1v1 and 2v2 modes.

>>59896597
Get the Pro4. It's $65 after rebate if you review it on Newegg right now. Really good board even at $80.
And you should be able to find an RX470 around that price. Just underclock it slightly if it's really too hot.
And you can get the Seasonic 550RM for $50 after rebate, too.
And why such slow RAM? It doesn't cost that much more for 2400-2800

>>59896172
Any CPU that can beat my R5450 that I paid 45$?

No game made it bend the knee yet, not a single one

>>59896706
E5450 - my mistake https://ark.intel.com/products/33083/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5450-12M-Cache-3_00-GHz-1333-MHz-FSB

>>59896597
>>59896618
For emulators, the 7350K may be better.

It really depends, because Ryzen is actually better with some of the instruction sets emulators use. Like OpenGL emulation is way higher IPC on it, VirtualBox too.
But Dolphin? It's significantly slower on Dolphin which is compiled only for Intel.

>>59896706
>>59896719
Even a G4560 is faster than that in some newer games that actually use HT well.
>No game made it bend the knee yet, not a single one
I guess you're one of those that thinks 30fps is good enough.

>>59896744
No, no game yet took over 70% of my CPU usage, including GTA V and RE7. My GPU is what limits me, a Sapphire R7 260X OC Edition

Do we have any confirmation on the best B350 boards for overclocking/best build-quality all around?

So far it sounds like I should go with Gigabyte.

Also, is there a chance of either motherboard "refreshes" or more/newer AM4 B350 boards coming out? I feel like some of the motherboard problems with AMD might need actual hardware revisions so I'm iffy on buying a MB right now.

>>59896781
ASRock Pro4 has 6+3 phases, plenty for overclocking. It's only $65 right now.
But the Gaming 3 is a really nice board, as Gigabyte BIOS has been good and it has the dual BIOS.
But yeah. ASRock and Gigabyte.
ASUS hardware seems good on paper but the BIOS is not.

MSI I've heard mixed on.
Some people say they OC crap, some great. Some say they can't get memory going fast on them, others say they hit 3200 no problem. Some take 25 seconds to POST, and others POST right away.

>Also, is there a chance of either motherboard "refreshes" or more/newer AM4 B350 boards coming out
I'm pretty sure they're keeping the number of models low now because it's less BIOS to update.

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Using it for gaming.

https://nz.pcpartpicker.com/list/BxnrXH

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thoughts/recommendations?
I'm planning to overclock the cpu, and I'd like to push the ram to 3200, for obvious reasons. GPU is whatever is best 980ti I can find for around the 300 dollar mark

a fan on my 7970 died

its a firstd fd7010h12s which is listed as a 75mm part

but measuring the actual fan comes up with 90mm

anyone have experience with replacing gpu fans?

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>>59896674
Okay, I think I'm just going to do a full AMD build and upgrade later on once I need it. These parts should be relevant for like at least another three years, right?

I'm not planning on trying to do like 4k 144hz gaming; just 60fps at 1080p.

Not too sure about the ram and motherboard though. I have them picked because they're part of a small package deal on Newegg. I'm more than willing to switch those out if I could do better since I'm going to be saving so much by going with a RX480.

How does this look?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JsXtbj

>>59896172

**CPU** | [AMD Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor]
$218.44

**Motherboard** | [Asus PRIME X370-PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard]
| $158.99

**Memory** | [Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory]
| $127.99

**Video Card** | [Gigabyte Radeon RX 480 4GB G1 Gaming Video Card]
| $199.49

**Case** | [Fractal Design Define S w/Window ATX Mid Tower Case]
| $79.99

**Power Supply** | [Corsair CXM 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply] | $79.99

| **Total** | **$864.89**

I have a couple of ssd I will use. (I know power supply is overkill, might get a cheper one.

>>59896987
Consider a used GTX 1070 instead, can probably find one for 270-300.

>>59896917
>only $65 right now
Not him, but here it's 99€ for the AB350M Pro4 or the GA-AB350M GAMING 3. Same for PSUs.

>>59897066
i didnt know they were that cheap, I'll look into that

>>59897089
You can see some on ebay's sold listings. They range from about 250 at minimum, to about 300-330. Should hold a little bit longer than a 980ti.

>>59896941
>nz prices
mother of god...

Replace HDD with Hitachi or WD Black, and if you're paying so much for an RX480 maybe you can get a XFX GTR for that?
And get a 550-650W PSU max.

Build looks good otherwise.

>>59896987
Looks good.
>GPU is whatever is best 980ti I can find for around the 300 dollar mark
EVGA had them for $320 on their site. Not sure if that's still up.
You can find used R9 Fury for around $250 which won't have the same Nvidia driver issues.

>>59897006
>anyone have experience with replacing gpu fans?
Yes. It's easy. Not much different from replacing a CPU cooler.

>spend hours building new PC
>turn on power for first time
>everything starts
>everything turns off
>look down
>surge protector strip had fallen from its mount and my shoe found the off button
>pc won't start now


Is this fixable or should I go hang myself in the garage?

>>59897018
For that money you could get the XFX GTR, can't you? Isn't it like $245?
ROG Strix was on sale for like $209 yesterday, and like $190 a week ago.
Or wait for RX580... that Red Devil card looks really nice and might only be $260 or so.
But if you just plan to upgrade to Vega.. just get the cheapest RX470 4GB.

And get the Seasonic 550RM from Newegg. You won't need over 550W even if you get the biggest Vega card later. That rig as is never going to exceed 300watt.

>>59897051
$200 for a 4GB RX480..
Why not just get an RX470? And why such an expensive and overpowered PSU?

>>59897239
idk that makes little sense

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>>59897239
I dont envy you right now desu

>>59896917
>ASRock Pro4 has 6+3 phases
Technically incorrect. ASRock mobos have 6 phases trough doubling, so only 3 true phases.

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>>59897125
Has anyone here ever set up a dedicated streaming PC? I'd like to target really high quality x264 settings through OBS. Currently have a 5820k but would like to stream some 144Hz gameplay in the future and I'm thinking ahead.

I have a functional second PC but it just has a cheap Z87 mobo with a Pentium in it. Not sure if I should bite the bullet and go full Ryzen or try to skate by with a 4770 or 4770k. I know this is kind of a first world problem but any input would help out.

>>59897303
The PC lost power like 30 seconds into the initial boot and now won't even turn on

I didn't see it had fallen and of course when I slid feet under the desk that's where they hit

For gaming at 1080/60. I already have an dvd drive and 1tb HDD from the computer this will be replacing.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Xz3nr7

Any suggestions for better parts at this price range? Should I hold off on the 480 and see how the 580 performs?

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>>59896941
>>59897226
>XFX
Not him. But the MSI Gaming X is better cooled.
Also isn't the 580 a thing now.
Get the 5080. It should overclock better
>not OCing
Youtube how to. It's easy as fuck for cards. A few slider bars.
Pic related.

2017
Still no gpu worth upgrading from a 7870...

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Are there any AIO water coolers that are worth the premium? 99% of the reason I want one is the aesthetics/not dealing with a giant block of metal sticking out of my CPU, so it's not really a dealbreaker, but it would be nice to have.

Am I looking at a $140 AIO before I get parity with giant air HSFs?

>>59897345
>isn't the 580 a thing now
Almost, they're taking preorders for it. By the end of April at the latest, I think.

>>59897313
But they still OC fine.

>>59897319
I'm curious about this and was looking before, but I really found no information on it.
Theoretically, a 4770 should be able to take the video output from one PC and encode it at really good quality.

>>59897345
A 550W is still going to be enough to handle the power draw of a GPU OC, if that's what you're saying.
And XFX GTR seems to have the best binned GPUs. People are getting 1450Mhz on the stock cooler up from 1338 with them fine, and higher with better cooling.
It looks like a number of RX580 will be 1400-1500 stock OC. If they will go up to 1650-1750 on a good air cooler, that's going to be really insane. That'll be like Fury X performance.

>>59897341
Looks fine except, again, that's a lot of money for an RX480.

>>59897413
April 18th. 4 fucking days.

>>59897375
soon... hopefully. 7970 here myself.

>>59897309
Am I just fucked? I can't find a single resource online that addresses situations like this.

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>>59897401
Yeah probably. It's hard to beat the NH-D15.

>>59897438
Turn your PSU off and on and try a different surge protector?

Unplug your CMOS battery for a while and put it back in, too.

>>59897449
It's the quietest of all those too, isn't it?
>no le grand macho on the list

>>59897451
Surge protector is fine. I kicked the power switch on accident because I was unaware it had fallen.

I'll try the CMOS battery. I don't think it ever installed the first BIOS cause it was literally the first boot ever.

>>59897477
Oh. So it died during BIOS update.
It's bricked.

>>59897513
Is it saveable somehow? I just got it today

>>59897430
>XFX GTR seems to have the best binned GPUs
I'll take that with a huge grain of salt.

>>59897557
Reset CMOS and hope for the best.

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>>59897470
Yeah, the NZXT looks good until you look at the noise levels. IMO the best closed loop is the H100i, and if you want something better you have to go custom loop.

>>59897567
I did. It didn't work.

>>59897588
Just black screen? Any fans spinning up?

>>59897607
Nothing outside of the power indicator light on the GPU.

>>59897574
Holy shit it's quietest by a mile, I was unaware it was that good
I'm coming from using an R9 290 and would really prefer the noise be as quiet as humanly possible. I don't think I could put up with another airplane taking off under load

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Thoughts?

Primarily a gaming rig, not interested in a workstation. Originally had i7 and 1080 but traded for i5 and 1080ti. Will i5 bottleneck it? budget < $1500

>>59897628
>i5 with 1080ti
>2.5" drive in a desktop
Why?

>>59897628
>Dead socket in 2017
>2.5" drive in a desktop

>>59897645
>2.5" drive
Look at the case
>i5 with 1080ti
want a 1080ti for 4k one day, i5 for budget

>>59897574
>61 db
>literally many times more noisy than the Noctua
Holy shit. People pay $150 for those and buy so many of them.

>>59897621
I've got the h100. It's quiet. Still not nocturna quiet, but still.
Honestly got it because I'm getting a lot for the dosh.
Would have got the nocturna if they weren't price gouging.
$80-90ish for nocturna. $100-110 for the AIO.
I really hate paying so much for something so simple.

>>59897628
>i5 + 1080ti
>laptop storage drive
>mini ITX motherboard

what are you doing

>>59897671
>i5 for budget
Bottlenecks out the ass with a 1080ti.

>>59897292
>But if you just plan to upgrade to Vega.. just get the cheapest RX470 4GB
Well, I won't be upgrading for at least a couple years.

>And get the Seasonic 550RM from Newegg. You won't need over 550W even if you get the biggest Vega card later
Are you sure?
Because I'm eventually going up upgrade the CPU as well.

>>59897671
Consider a slightly larger case then my man

Do any of the Motherboard companies actually have decent warranty support anymore?

>>59897621
Yeah. I got an artic accelero cooler for my 7970. Quieter than my corsair case fans.

>>59897628
>i5
>>>>>$1468 for an i5
>a gpu that won't fit in that case
it's really, really shit if not bait. But I'm pretty sure it's just bait.

>>59897712
>Are you sure?
100% positive.
>Because I'm eventually going up upgrade the CPU as well.
7nm will use less power, not more.

>>59897645
>>59897665
>>59897697
guess nobody likes SFF builds

>>59897731
I like them.
But a 1080Ti doesn't fucking fit in a Node 202, you retard.

Fuck. I regret posting.

It'd have been hilarious to see him spend $1462 on a PC that can't be put together, and even if it could would run like shit with an i5 bottlenecking the fuck out of a 1080ti.
People with more money than sense getting fucked over is hilarious.

>>59897616
I think shit is just fucked then. you could try to manually boot by using a flathead screwdriver or something else metal on the front panel header to jump the system. There's always a small chance it was just the case's front panel connection that was fried.

>>59897740
lo and behold
https://pcpartpicker.com/b/x8YTwP

>>59897628
frys has the sf600 on sale for $99($89 with rebate), just picked one up today. Don't know how much shipping is though.

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I feel like I could probably make this cheaper but I'm not sure what to cut. Not sure what my budget is quite yet but I was hoping $800-900 for now, I can get peripherals and another drive later.

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>>59897728
Alright, I think I'm close to being done with it then.

Final revision?

RAM looks okay?

And btw, thanks a lot man. You've helped me out a ton.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NDQ2nn

>>59897740
>But a 1080Ti doesn't fucking fit in a Node 202, you retard.

It does actually

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>>59897793
I would;d love to see the temps on this thing after a bit of gaming.

>>59897814
Get a different PSU. SeaSonic 550 > EVGA and it's 50$ now after a 20$ rebate. You could also probably find a cheaper 250gb SSD from Crucial.

>>59897823
It seems like a house fire waiting to happen.

>>59897814
Honestly it looks pretty damn good to me. This is nearly identical to the PC I'm building my Wife right now. I opted for DDR4 3000 LPX sticks that were ~$109 on newegg earlier this week instead though.

>>59897793
>>59897850
>no heatsink on the gpu
>just replacing it all with 2 fucking fans.
kill yourself

>>59897820
Looks good, except, again, the GPU.
That GPU is not one of the best ones. It's not worth $240.
You should be able to get a cheaper one, an RX580 in 3-4 days, or get the XFR GTR RX480.

>>59897873
>https://pcpartpicker.com/b/x8YTwP

"I am looking add an additional 120MM Red LED Case fan on top of the CPU fan (by attaching using zip cables to the Chassis vent). Currently, I have the case fans as intakes."

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>>59897873

>>59897772
I think the BIOS just partially installed and cut out. The MOBO has a BIOS pin connector on it so im wondering if it can be flashed from there. Do computer shops do that?

>>59897873
>an RX580 in 3-4 days, or get the XFR GTR RX480
Will do.

Sincerely appreciate all the help.

>>59897896
>https://pcpartpicker.com/b/x8YTwP
Holy fuck. The fans are on backwards, too.
This person must actually be trolling.

>>59897858
I won't be buying it for a bit, so idk if that rebate will still be good then, but I did look through some of SeaSonic's before settling on the G3. But I'll certainly go over the PSU again before I finish. I'll see how the 580s turn out too. Also the SSD went up by like 8 or 10 dollars today so it was more reasonable before.

>>59897866
Thanks. I only found a few dollars difference between the 3200 and some of the slower speeds so I figured I'd just go with the faster one.

>>59897955
>>59897814
Curious, why spend extra on Corsair instead of Ripjaw?

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anyone know what happened to this card?

MSI RX 480 GAMING X 8G

seems like it's sold out everywhere, pcpartpicker doesn't even list any prices for it anymore

another site says that it's discontinued but i can't find any articles that confirm that

>>59898009
Lots of RX400 cards have gone on big sales to get rid of them the past 5 weeks.

>>59898009
>MSI RX 480 GAMING X 8G
>
>seems like it's sold out everywhere,
They've probably dropped it because the 580 is about out.
It's worth waiting for an MSI 580. They tend to be the best cooled ones.

>>59897990
might be a little autistic but I was looking for white RAM if I could. It's not too much more, like $5

>>59897897
Probably not worth the hassle at this point. I would just RMA the motherboard and call it a day. Just really bad luck man, sorry.

>>59898084
Uh...I unplugged the fan from the mobo and plugged it into the PSU directly and the whole thing turned on. It's alive. IT'S ALIIIIIIIIIVE

>>59898045
>It's worth waiting for an MSI 580. They tend to be the best cooled ones.
How is this a big deal when you can get an artic accelero cooler for like $40-$65 and get an extra ~10% OC out of that? No stock cooler will ever compare to that.
What matters is which has the best PCB and best binned GPUs. Or which is the cheapest.

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>>59898132
WEW LAD

I have no idea why that fixed everything but that's awesome. Congrats.

>>59898009
Wanna buy mine?

>>59898136
Because this is /pcbg/. Not overclockers anonymous.
The aim of this game (not the one you just lost) is to provide the best stock hardware that is easy to install for as low a price as possible.
We can barely trust the people requesting help here to use thermal paste. Installing a GPU cooler is too much of a headache.

>>59898009
>>59898045
>>59898032
im thinking of getting the rx 480 or 580, matched with the ryzen 5 1600 on a b350m mobo. planning for 1080p on high settings or 1440p on medium settings. should i get the 4gb or th 8gb?

>>59898192
8gb. It's always the one with more ram.
Unless the price is absurdly higher.

>>59898192
for 1440p, the 8GB might be worth it.
But yeah, get an RX580. It'll be able to drive 1440p much better. Especially if you overclock it.

Gigabyte is making an Aorus card for the RX580, too. That, the Red Devil, the next flagship MSI, the next XFX GTR, there's going to be lots of good high end ones you'll want to wait for reviews on.

>>59898187
overclocking GPU is so easy, though.
Like I'm one here all the time pointing out that lots of people aren't going to overclock so it's autistic to nag people to get the 1600X instead of 1600 or the 7700k instead of 7700.

>>59898206
is there really a benefit of the added ram if i'm not planning on running modded skyrim or GTA? i'm trying to keep my build as cheap as possible

>>59898223
>.223
nice.

also, i'm not building this pc for 2 months so ill wait and see reviews and where prices go

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>>59898223
>>59898045
8GB MSI Armor is only $237
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1332124-REG/msi_radeon_rx_580_armor.html

>>59898233
A few games do use over 4GB, especially on 1440p. GR Wildlands uses like almost 6GB at 1440p, I think.
HOWEVER, generally you can just turn textures down a bit as the max setting is made for 4K, and see no real perceivable difference to stick down under 4GB still.
(note that it's an Nvidia gameworks game, so yeah AMD doesn't do good on it)

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new ryzen

>>59898136
>arctic accelero
These work with 4xx lineup? Do they work with Nvidia's 10xx lineup as well? Their support page seemed outdated, was last shown only working with previous architecture.

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>speccy still not updated for Ryzen

What are they doing

>>59898223
>overclocking GPU is so easy, though.
Yeah that is. We should have a link in the OP about that.

The issue with throwing in GPU coolers into the equation blows out the thread.
"Will this fit in my mATX".
Then there's the questions of voiding warranty. yadda yadda.
>cpus blah blah
There's always debate. We really need an encompassing guide to overclocking CPU's. But that's proberly best to be an entirely different sister thread.
>>59898233
>is there really a benefit of the added ram
Yes. As much as 30fps. Having the extra storage on the card keeps things up to speed.
Consider ram like a fuel reservoir. It takes longer to fill than it does to use. So having more give better overhead in demanding situations.
>>59898275
>>>59898223
>8GB MSI Armor is only $237
Only 4 heat pipes?
Seems like shit cooling. The gaming X has 6.

vegas coming

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LE4gibDSMFw

>>59898378
Why is AMD being so retarded with Vega?

>>59898363
>>59898275
okay, thanks for the info guys. I guess I'll bite the bullet and get the 8 gig (only like 35 dollars more anyways)

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Hello /pcbg/ I have a pre built hp and I recently bought a gtx 560 TI. This works wonders and has improved my games a lot. Now my cpu is bottlenecking me.

On the HP website it says these are the compatible cpus. But I am wondering if I can use any cpu with the same socket type.

If not I'm going to get the bottom as it seems like the best option. Another question I heard that I have to reinstall windows when I get a new cpu is that true? I don't have the original disks for this pc anymore and I would have to pirate windows 7

>>59898298
>These work with 4xx lineup? Do they work with Nvidia's 10xx lineup as well?
Oh right, not the accelero specifically. But one of Artic's GPU coolers.
I'm sure there's other good ones now days, too.

>>59898363
>Yeah that is. We should have a link in the OP about that.
2000 character limit.

>>59898429
I would think you could use any FM2 CPU and not just those. Maybe the BIOS doesn't support the non-APUs?

>>59898275
Looks like the Gigabyte Aorus RX480 is going to be 1439MHz.
These are going to be really good if they're mostly under $260.

Do people here unironically buy nvidia

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My most recent build...

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>>59898548
>stutterlake when ryzen exists

why though

What would be the most overkill air cooler for a ryzen 1600x at 4.0?

>>59898450
maybe I couldn't even use a 750 ti because of the BIOS

I'll just stick with what they recommend. Is $70 worth it? I mean I tried to play Rainbow six siege and my cpu was bottlenecking me. Plus it would let me squeeze more frames out of csgo.

Ok, I want to upgrade my server for less than $200, $300 max.

I want the CPU to have a passmark score of at least 4000, 6 or 8 would be boss.

The ability to use 10GB+ of ram since I have 10TB of storage on my server already and intend to add another 5 later this year.

I also want it to be small, mini ITX preferred.

I know AMD would be cheaper but I found a haswell i5 based machine and newer would fit the bill nicely, or a sandy bridge i7-2700K would give me similar performance for possibly less money. A used i5 Ivy Bridge seems to be the sweet spot.

The AMD options I have researched would be in the FX-series, the 8370 and 8350, but the AM3+ socket doesn't come smaller than micro ATX and that is a bit big for what I want.

What am I missing?

Is there any point getting an aftermarket cooler for a ryzen 1600? I only want to slightly overclock, should i just use the stock cooler?

1500x or 7500 for home theater? Performance only. The cost difference isn't a huge factor.

>>59898548
Why so much for a motherboard on a locked CPU?
You can get one for $85-$100 generally.
>meme cooler
>$550 for a blower 1080
>850W PSU
Alright. You don't know what you're doing. Look at some previous builds in the thread for pointers, as this is a bit much.

>>59898596
Is $70 worth what?
Idk man. I think you need to save up money for a real upgrade. That PC is so ass.

>>59898621
For 1.35v all you need is better thermal paste, as far as I can see.

>>59898650
The 1500X is obviously better.

>>59898610
A 2700k is good performance wise, but is going to cost a ton more on the power bill. It's going to IDLE at over twice the power consumption alone. Like 80W vs 35-40W. Then you have to spend more on cooling, too.
Unless your power is free, it makes more sense to go with the 1400.

You will have to wait for mITX Ryzen boards, though. Should be some by the end of this month.
1400 can be had for $150 at some places. mITX probably around $60-$85. And RAM is the only other thing you need then, yeah? Should fit your $300 budget fine.

>>59898610
>sandy bridge i7-2700K
You're going to be spending a lot of money unless you find one cheap, and used 1155 socket mobos that support overclocking aren't cheap neither.

>>59898009
It's not gone yet in yurop.
Tell me /g/, worth it for 242€ or wait for 580?

>>59898748
Don't want to overclock.

>>59898761
idk. Seems pretty okay since your prices are usually higher.

But I'd wait for RX580. Should be similar price for at least an 8% performance bump. Then again, I'm waiting for Vega. I'm good at waiting.

>>59898743
If I'm buying a Ryzen, it's for my main rig, not a server.

>>59898789
Well, personally my gpu died a month ago so I suppose I'm patient enough to wait a week more. I'm just worried they'll disappear when it comes out.

>>59898548
You already wasted hundreds of dollars, didn't you?

>cooler
Not needed for stock CPU. Too weak if you decide to upgrade to a OC processor. Return it if you can or else you just wasted 30 bucks.

>mobo
What are you spending that extra money for? Your CPU is locked and the socket path is dead so no upgrading. Wasted ~55 bucks. Could've gotten a B250 for 70 bucks for same exact performance.

>ram
Why do so many scrubs spend extra on Corsair when Ripjaw is cheaper and superior? Could've been worse, though.

>SDD
>Kingston
Even worse than Sandisk and 240gb will run out of room real quick.

>meme 1080
Another 55$ wasted.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01GXOWUDQ/?tag=pcpapi-20

Pretty sure the MSI card is superior, too. EVGA cooling is garbage.

>meme tower
100 bucks wasted.

>psu
Another 50$ wasted, at least.

>850w
Completely overkill.

>gold
Meme.

>fully modular
You don't even understand what this is or why you're paying for it.

You wasted 250$ just in that quick analysis.

>>59898780
Used 1155 socket mobos start at $40+, I've been looking out for used parts in the last few months and a computer repair and recycling business i frequent told me to avoid socket 1155 since they're expensive. If you're not in a hurry, start looking at local ads on craiglist/kijiji for used parts, thats where you'll find decent bargains. You could also look into used xeons, but i couldn't help you with that.

>>59898795
... what's the deal if it works for your purpose and fits the budget?

>>59898780
Then why are you buying an unlocked CPU?

why are intel stock coolers so shitty?

>>59898846
I got 1200 vertical pixels and this fuck still takes up almost my whole screen with his reddit formatting.
DELETE

>>59898895
>reddit formating
>proper spacing
Fuck off.

>>59898045
hmm

was kind of hoping rx 480 prices would drop instead

if the 580 just an overclocked 480 the same result could be achieved for less ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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>>59898882
>why are intel stock coolers so shitty?
>why are intel IHS so shitty?
>why is intel TIM so shitty?
>why does intel charge so much for their chipsets and make motherboards cost so much?
>why has intel re-released the same CPUs for 6 years in a row and charged so much for them?

>>59898942
Not just clocked from what I understand. It should hit much higher clocks.

>>59898871
I have a bid on ebay for a i7-2600, locked right now. I'll take what I can get, besides, I estimate the unlocked ones would be more plentiful so why not look for them?

>>59898866
Don't want my plex/file server to be more powerful than my daily driver.

>>59898865
I am looking at 1151 Mobos as well which start at $60 new. A Kabby Lake Pentium would give me a good upgrade for my server (running a Core 2 Duo E8600 3.3 GHZ), at twice the power. It would also be within my budget (I have ram, SSDs PSUs and cases sitting around) and give me a fantastic upgrade path.

>>59898846
i disagree with your cooler criticism

sure the stock cooler will technically work, but it's loud and will run hotter

i agree that the tower choice was def a dumb idea, get a s340 or something for $70

>>59898942
It's not simply "an overclocked 480".
It's a refined process that clocks higher for a given wattage.
They will overclock even higher.

>>59898969
>I am looking at 1151 Mobos as well which start at $60 new
Okay, but you see how silly this is?
A 6 year old motherboard for $60 when you can get a brand new B350 one, capable of overclocking, underclocking to be even lower power, whatever, for $65.

>>59898975
>sure the stock cooler will technically work, but it's loud and will run hotter
212 evo is dumb though. Should get like a Cryorig C7.

What's the largest SSD needed for just Windows 10 and a few core programs(C++ distributables)

are there any good ryzen mobos with on board wifi?

>>59899045
128 GB is enough if that is all you need.

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Looking to do a semi-budget build. No intents to overclock, but trying to max out a few games here and there.

Should I go for Ryzen or stick with something like this?

Or should I get the 7500 and another mobo?

>>59898994
Because buying all new RAM and shit would kill the budget. I have a shit ton of DDR 2 and 3 sticks because when I ran my business, I bought computer parts in bulk.

>>59899085
You shouldn't waste money on an i5. That's an easy answer.
You shouldn't spend $270 on a 1060 that's worse on average than a $200 RX480 or the upcoming RX580s, either.

And get the 550RM while it's on sale for $50 like everyone else has been told. You don't need 650W now, and you won't need it when you add a bigger GPU either.

>>59899108
How much RAM would you need?
$150 cpu + $65 motherboard = $85 left over for RAM. You can get 8GB of DDR4 still and still be well under $300.

>>59899045
OS/Lightweight programs - 128gb
OS/Heavyweight programs or gaming - 250gb
OS/Heavingweight programs + AAA games - 500gb
Everything - 1TB

>>59899085
>1060
>max couple of games

Good luck friendo, just know that you wont.

>>59899157
It'll run anything 60fps minimum if you just drop 1 or 2 settings that don't change the perceivable quality. Same with the RX480.

"max" settings is a joke that doesn't make a game look better now days, it simply exists to make certain cards benchmark worse.

>>59899085
>should I go for a ryzen
Yes. The 1500x is cheaper and better than that 6500.

>1060
No. 480 8GB.

>EVGA
NO!

>>59899157
You're retarded. 1060 6gb will max many games at 1080p.

>>59899147
I'll be running 15TB so 16gb of ram, but 8 right now would suffice.

Hi /pcbg/. Is the Ryzen 5 1600 worth it for a $~200 budget? What other processors around that price are comparable?

>>59899135
>>59899157
>>59899175

FFXIV/Stormblood is probably the most "Taxing" Game I will play, so a good processor is ideal here.

Will look into the Ryzen/480.

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>>59899181
Ah, fair enough. That'd put you at like $340 to get 16GB.
I still think you're wasting money on old shit.
An extra 50 watts per year at 24/7 use and 12cents a Kw/H is $52 per year.
The R-51400 upgrade would literally pay for itself and become "free" after 7 years compared to the i7-2700. It'd make back its difference in a year or two, it sounds like.
Not to mention, you can sell your RAM and other current shit.

>>59899186
>What other processors around that price are comparable?
None.

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>>59899186
Nothing is comparable. It's based as fuck. It's a 5820k for half the price.

>>59899175
>NO
EVGA PSU's aren't all bad, but the ones that are overpriced compared to higher quality ones like G2 or G3 are.

>>59899214
What do you recommend for a PSU then? Modular is a must.

>>59899214
EVGA high end PSUs are pretty nice.
But for cheaper ones, Seasonic is generally beyond compare.
Most manufacturers high end PSUs are Seasonics sold for a 50-100% higher price.

>>59899212
>>59899208
Neat. Any noticeable difference between the 1600 and 1600X?

>>59899186
Its intel price equivalent would be the i5 7500.

>I5 7500
>Dead Socket
>3.4 GHz Base clock
>No overclock capability
>Will need to purchase an after market cooler such as the hyper 212 or H7.

>R5 1600
>3.2 GHz Base clock
>Overclock easily to 3.7 GHz on included cooler.

>>59899223
There was some talk at the end of the last thread, EVGA G2, the Seasonic Gold one, and one of the Corsair models, I think.

Anyone ever get a windows 10 key from SCDKey?

>>59899247
my i5 7500 doesn't need an aftermarket cooler..

>>59899223
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151119

>>59899208
the machine won't be powered on at all times. Just when I am backing up data and watching stuff on plex. After initial backup, maybe 4-7 hours a day...maybe?

>>59899247
What do you mean by dead socket?
Sorry I know this isnt stupid question general

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>>59899235
The 1600X is just a tiny bit faster obviously at stock clocks and is likely to be able to overclock 1-200 MHz stable at max OC compared to the 1600. The 1600 can probably clock about as high if overclocked but at comparable speeds it will be a little less power efficient than the 1600X. The 1600 also comes with a stock cooler which is pretty decent. The 1600X will have to have a separate cooler purchased. The 1600 is the better buy IMO if using the stock cooler.

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>>59899235
>Neat. Any noticeable difference between the 1600 and 1600X?
Different stock clocks. And the 1600X overclocks maybe 2-7% higher, we're not sure yet since no one has done a large sample binning test.

>>59899257
>my i5 7500 doesn't need an aftermarket cooler..
Nor does the 1600, buyers-remorse tard.

>>59899265
That anon means that no new CPUs are coming out for LGA 1151. You'll need to buy a new motherboard for any CPU upgrade. Intel changes sockets like every 1.5 fucking years while AM4 will be supported for at least 4 so you can buy a CPU upgrade in a few years on it.

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>>59899265
The CPU socket type used for Kabylake (LGA 1151) is being replace next year by a new socket type (LGA 2066)

>>59899283
Why does intel still use those god awful stock coolers?

>>59897820
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NsNHKZ

Here is a better build with faster/cheaper ram

also i would say wait to see what the 500 series has to offer

>>NVMe aren't worth it just for faster OS boot. They're primarily for quicker loading/saving of files for productivity

anyone here fall for the nVME meme? personally had talk myself out of it a couple of times. Esp. since my 840 evo went to shit the other day.

>>59899301
LGA 2066 is coming out in a few months.

Coffeelake appears to be next year, which will also be a new socket, or at least a chipset that's not upgradable.

>>59899325
I almost did. They have their use for some people, but I realized all I needed was just a decent SATA SSD with lots of space.
I almost dropped $210 on a 500GB NVMe in addition to my 1TB SATA SSD.

>>59899317
see:
>>59898959

>>59899175
Final question, what kinda Mobo?

>>59899283
>5'10" vs 6'1"

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>>59899317
Because muh shekels.
I'm a little peeved that AMD went back to aluminum slabs tho. Still they're much better than than nothing.
Pic related. The FX8XXX cooler.
If they kept with this design there'd be no reason to consider aftermarket other than water, or getting a """"quiet""" fan.

>>59899352
>4'10" vs 8'

>>59899351
ASRock AB350M Pro4 is only $65 after rebate on newegg now. Lots of their motherboards have a $15 rebate if you review them. And they're good.
Another option would be the Gigabyte Gaming 3.
Just buy anything that's 4 star or better reviewed, otherwise, that meets you requirements.

>>59898294
1700?

>>59898358
Jerking off

>>59898548
>babby lake

>>59899085
go for a ryzen 5 1600, its like 20$ more but so much better

and i wouldent get a 1060 right now since the 580 is coming out in less and a week and the stock 480 and 1060 were neck and neck

>>59899379
1700X

>>59899375
I'm a little cautious about ASRock, currently using one of their boards and half the USB ports are faulty/loose.

>>59899351
Take your pick.

GIGABYTE GA-AB350-GAMING 3

MSI B350 TOMAHAWK

ASRock AB350M Pro4

I wish ASRock had an Extreme 4 for AM4 on launch. But oh well. Maybe I'll upgrade my motherboard later if I feel like it even though I wouldn't need to. Shit's so cheap it hardly matters.

>>59899379
Dude said they didn't want to overclock. The 1500X is still a lot better than any locked i5.

>>59899393
They are better now.

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>>59899400
Was looking at the Tomahawk

>>59899414
>>59899400
>paying 20-30$ more for two extra RAM slots

>>59899301
1151 isn't being replaced you tard :^) they are doing a new extreme socket/chipset 2011/2011-v3 are bretty old at this point.

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XFX GTS RX580 at Fry's. 1425MHz. $269.
$10 more than I hoped. I imagine there'll be some more 1400-1500MHz models for less.

>>59899414
Why spend so much though? You can get cheaper boards if you're not going to OC.
Just avoid the ones with bad reviews on newegg.
Paying $50 more than the Pro4 for nothing there.

>>59899460
I'd argue OC doesn't matter at all, unless you're okay with paying a premium for slightly easier bios options. All B350M's support OC'ing.

>>59899460
Thats why I'm here. I may look into OC later down the road but right now it doesn't interest me.

Not gonna be playing latest/greatest PC games that require all that shit. Just want to have a better processor than a 2500.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MFB358A/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

is this thing any good?
It looks ridiculously oversized and I just want a am4 cooler at a decent price

big favor computer enthusiasts,
is an i3 7100 and 8 gbs ddr4 enough to run autocad 2017?
I keep freezing when I open it, it didn't happen on my old i5 3570.

>>59899414
I own the tomahawk and it's okay. Only 4 SATA ports but it also has NVME m.2

The steel graphics card slot is actually nice too since I own a gigantic 3 slot card

>>59899460
>tfw tomahawk is actually the shittiest of all b350 models

Why did everybody say that it's the best B350 again?

Pro 4, asus b350 prime both have more USB ports, pro 4 has two m.2 slots

i honestly want to know why people buy the tomahawk unless it came in a package deal

>>59896172
for 4k 60hz video only, not gameplay, would a 1050ti cut it? looking to upgrade the gpu in my plex/media center comp.

>>59899477
>All B350M's support OC'ing.
Yes, technically, but if they have 3 phase VRMs they are going to be awful for it and are more for underclocking and not overclocking.
You probably want 3phase VRMs simply to run a 65w TDP chip stock and 4 phase for a 95w TDP chip stock.
5-6 depending for an actual OC unless those 4 are really good quality digital ones.
It's hard to say and you have to base off other's experience.

>>59899555
>Why did everybody say that it's the best B350 again?
Well when it WORKS it does seem to OC alright, and was one of the earlier ones to get good memory working, and its performance was pretty good.

It was one of the boards a lot of reviewers were sent, and while the ASUS were having so many fucking problems, people were getting better benchmark results on the Tomahawk.
But then you have people who can't get memory working on it. Who have it taking 25 seconds to POST.

>>59899522
Almost all of them have 1 full 32Gbps NVMe slot and an additional lower speed slot.

But part of why I got the Pro4 is that it has a x1 PCI lane above the GPU so it's actually usable with a many slot GPU there.

>>59899511
Look for reviews of it and see.

>>59899566
That's such a specific question. Did you google it?
It's a nice low power card for mITX HTPC, but I have no clue how it handles 4K video output. I'd assume fine as playback is way cheaper than rendering.

>>59899577
So I made a good choice swapping over to the Asus Pro4 B350?

>>59899598
from my research it was the smallest card with an hdmi 2.0 output. either that or the rx 460 iirc. my r9 270 is not cutting it.

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>>59899514
I have to add it's really hard to find benchmarks for an i3 7100 but it's running at 3.9 ghz, desktop

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>>59899577
>chose b350 tomahawk over ASUS b350 prime or even the gigabyte gaming

This board is totally lacking in every feature compared to its rivals. The fucking SATA slots are in a retarded spot right under the goddamned graphics card slot too so you can't even plug shit in without clearance problems

I'm on the newest BIOS and it still takes ages to POST. I might just return it to microcenter and get a different brand

>>59899600
pro4 b350 is Asrock not Asus

>>59899637
Thats what I meant, sorry. Got Asus on the brain because thats literally on my monitor.

>>59899600
idk I haven't gotten my ASROCK pro4 in the mail yet, but everyone's been gushing over the named model ASRock boards.
The Taichi is the first and only motherboard on Techpowerup to get a 10.0/10 rating and that site has been around forever.
I think the Pro4 and Gigabyte Gaming 3 are the top choices under $100 though, from what I've gathered.

But literally all you have to do:
Look for boards in your price range
Look at features (number of SATA, m.2, arrangement of PCI slots, number/quality of VRMS)
Narrow it down to the ones that have the features you want.
Look at reviews either the user ones (ignore faggots that complain about DoA. Shit happens. You send it back and get a replacement), or google for "professional ones".

There is no "best" for the most part, but the one that fits your needs.

>>59899628
Well I think the pro4 only has 4 SATA too for the mATX one. 6 is nice. But meh, not needed for me.
Lots of those ones with 6 SATA disable 2 when you're using the M.2, anyway.
Some people say the b350 Prime has issues, too. Others say it's great. But I know it doesn't have fucking VRM heatsinks, which is retarded.

>>59899628
Aren't all the B350's 6 phased?

>>59899283
>Nor does the 1600, buyers-remorse tard.

Yet you added it as a "pro" for the Ryzen dumb cunt. If you can't logically give an opinion how can you expect anybody to give two fucks about it?

>>59899731
no he didnt

how come no one recommends pci-e ssds?

>>59899704
Yes why?

>>59899704
>Aren't all the B350's 6 phased?
lol no. The fuck gave you that idea?
Just look at the board. You can see them. They are the big black squares or rectangles usually between the CPU socket and the i/o. Well those big black squares/rectangles are the Inductors which are one part of a VRM, but it's some indication.
sinhardware.com/index.php/vrm-articles/82-vrm-guide
reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/64zw20/am4_motherboards_list_041217/

Hell the Tomahawk only has 1 big VRM for the memory, then this little one. I'm not sure what that's about. But weren't people getting 3200 on it fine? So eh.
And the Pro4 is really 3 doubled phases, but that's still generally better than 4.

Some B350 are very unsuitable for overclocking, just like some Z270s are. You can use them to underclock for a server, though..

>>59899731
That wasn't me.
But it was stupid of you to point out. The stock Intel fans are so damn noisy which drives most people to replace them anyway, while the stock 1600 fan is good enough for an overclock to 3.7-3.85Ghz while remaining quiet.

So basically all b350 motherboards are pretty ass-tier right? Has one separated itself from the pack?

>>59899784
Because no one makes consumer PCIe SSDs anymore (apart from Intel and Zotac). They're all M.2 or M.2 preinstalled on PCIe cards.

>>59899514
>>59899622
Anyone pls help
or if anything can you recomend me a build around 500 bucks that's good for autocad 2017?

>>59899840
>autocad
engineer pls go

>>59899813
>So basically all b350 motherboards are pretty ass-tier right
Can you not fucking read? No, a good deal of them are amazing and make buying an X370 pointless for most people.

>>59899840
I have no clue. Contact AutoCAD support.

>>59899840
Unless you're designing a skyscraper, you're good with a Pentium.

>>59899813
>So basically all b350 motherboards are pretty ass-tier right?
Where did you read this exactly? Plenty of the b350 boards are perfectly fine. The problems people are currently experiencing with memory compatibility is due to BIOS shortcomings.

Probably going to go for the Gaming 3 board, 2x4 or 1x8 RAM?

>>59899899
>Can you not fucking read?
Can you not be a nigger and just tell me which one is good then? Thanks in advance, niggerman.

>>59899953
I know it's not unusual for boards to get off to a slow start with a brand new architecture but so far it seems like all of the major brands have been plagued by at least one issue. MSI has the long POST, ASRock has boards getting bricked, Gigabyte and ASUS both have memory issue reports. I'm just looking for one that seems like the best bet but maybe it just hasn't emerged yet.

>>59899964
2x4

Will the price for the rx 480 drop over the next few weeks due to the release of the 580? Right now it seems like the price is rising instead of falling.

>>59899972
>ASRock has boards getting bricked
This is due to morons trying to flash their BIOS via a windows utility.

>>59899964
Dual channel and only dual channel.

>>59899985
Even if they keep rising, now isnt' the time to buy them. You may have missed the $110-$130 RX470s and $150-$200 RX480 8Gbs and they're a lot more now.
If they don't drop again, you may have to wait for RX500 launch hype to die to get them cheap.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/sNmKRG

I wanted to use it for 1080p gaming, should i switch for a 480?

>>59898048
If you go on the actually websites they have 3000Mhz and below in white as well. This is just for Corsair.

I'm getting the exact same thing you are, just thought I'd mentioned in case you didn't know. You aren't "locked into" the 3200Mhz for the corsair if you want white.

>>59900012
Of course. RX480 is better for the money and works better with Ryzen. But you should probably wait for RX580.

>>59900012
Yes, also EVGA G2/G3 PSU or another mentioned in this thread.

>look up manufacture website
>Support for DDR4 3200(O.C.)/2933(O.C.)/2667*/2400/2133 MHz
Does that mean if, for example I buy 2.8MHz sticks, the board have them run at 2667 unless I overclock them?

>>59900055
Yes.
RAM currently won't run at 3000 or 2800 without an external clock generator on the motherboard. It'll drop down to the next lowest multiplier. The May microcode update is supposed to address that, I believe.

>>59899338
>>59899325
Talk me out of it because I'm about to spend $250 on a Samsung 960 Evo 500GB.

>>59899972
>MSI has the long POST
Im barely at 2 minutes with mine and has only ever had longer than that on the first boot
pretty normal for hdds

>>59900126
Get a 1TB 980 for barely more money instead.
Way better $/GB.

Unless you're doing video editing, there is hardly anything that really benefits from those NVMe speeds. They're best as a scratch disk for large files moving around and changing a lot and don't really affect boot/load times.

>>59899325
mine would get baked by a gpu because someone decided that it was a good idea to put it almost right on top of where the heatskink for a gpu goes

>>59900167
>1TB 980
a what?

Do you mean 850/60?

>>59900192
Fuck. I mean the 850

>>59900215
>>59900202
hey boy stop taking me on this ruse cruise ya hear?

>>59900215
Anyways you didn't really talk me out of it. It seems FAST and the "barely more money" turned out to be $75 which is almost how much I'm spending on my HDD.

I know not to just buy it for meme boot times but I think I can get some use out of it with large textures, and 3D model importing / exporting.

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My laptop of seven years fucking exploded on me leaving me with only a phone. RIP overpriced Dell you were a soldier till the very end.

>Purpose
Moderate gaming, will be content with medium-high settings on non-meme games, 60 fps is a priority
>Budget
Flexible but preferably not much more than $1000 CAD, includes monitor, keyboard, fucklong ethernet cable
>Software
CPU-intensive games, PS2 emulation, recently DaS3 and Xrd Rev2

Am I shooting too low? I'm banking on the GPU not needing to be as powerful to make up for the costs in other areas. I didn't think the struggle of building a PC in Canadia was so hard. Taxes, shipping and the low buying power absolutely rapes the wallet.

I'm looking to build a pc that can be futureproofed for a couple years in terms of features. I'm thinking either the MSI Z270 X or MPower Gaming Titanium OR the Gigabyte Aorus G-Z270 Gaming 9 (rev. 1.0), an E-ATX board. So I want lots of connectivity options, which board offers the greatest flexibility of most-recent technology front and rear ports. Also, I'm thinking also the Asus Xonar Essence Stx sound card, any advice?

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How's this look, /pcbg/? Should I change my PSU?

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>>59900292
>LGA 1151
>Future Proof
I have some bad news for you anon...

>>59900303
I would personally go ahead and grab a gold rated 500+ PSU.

>>59900315
jesus fucking chris why does intel so jew?

>>59900329
Noted. Is there any way to tell that your PSU is in bad shape? How bad is it when it dies on you?

>>59900343
>How bad is it when it dies on you?
Low quality PSU's can take your entire system with them when thy fail.

>>59900276
PCSX 2 doesn't have high CPU requirements.
You'd be fine with just a 1500X. or 1600 if you want to overclock.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jZ9Y7h
Start here, but obviously those are US deals and I don't know Canadian ones.
Probably drop the memory down to 2x4GB instead to save money there.
Add in the cheapest RX470 4GB you can find that's not poorly reviewed.

>>59900260
Eh.. If you're doing game development in like Unity or UE4 with an asset manager that can have tens of GB of assets in it to scroll through and preview and assets streaming in and out of memory constantly, maybe you'd see a benefit. But just a good SATA SSD is so fast, too.

>>59900343
You could hear whine from it. But a good PSU like that one should last 10+ years.
Just keep it until you want to upgrade to an expensive fanless or something. Your build looks good, just be aware that the memory will drop down to 2933.

>>59900338
See
>>59898959

>>59900368
You're scaring me man, I thought Seasonics PSUs would go on for longer than that. I guess I could keep it as a backup PSU for when I put together second-hand parts for fun.

>>59900452
He just doesn't understand that that's a good PSU and that you're fine.

Should i wait for the RX 580 if im only playing games on 1080p? Or should i get a GTX 1060/1070 when i got the Money for it?

>>59900452
If you have the extra cash to spare it wouldn't be a bad idea to get a new one. They're <$100 and it's the vascular system of the computer.

>>59900491
Just get a 4GB RX 470 on sale when the 500's come out.

>>59900491
If money isn't a problem, splurge. But for 1080p, a 480 should do fine.

Why are there so many Monitors with AMD Freesync out but only a few for nvidias G-Sync?

i dont plan on over clocking, so should i still get a 1600? or go for a 1500x?(only going to game, no streaming or editing)

>>59900547
G-sync needs an extra board with an FPGA, which is expensive. And Nvidia profit margin on top of that.
Adaptive sync is integrated into the display scaler chip, so it's essentially free if the panel already supports VRR.G-sync needs an extra board with an FPGA, which is expensive. And Nvidia profit margin on top of that.
Adaptive sync is integrated into the display scaler chip, so it's essentially free if the panel already supports VRR.

tl;dr nvidia are a bunch of jews

>>59900616
so can a rx 580 handle 144 fps?

>>59900315
>AMDrone spewing bullshit
That's the 2011 socket replacement. Remember that the 2011-v3 iteration came out back in 2014, it's long overdue for a replacement. X99 is still on PCIe 2.0 for crying out loud.

1151 will still be around for Coffee Lake with the Z300 chipset.

>>59900491
The 1060 isn't better. It just cost more because Nvidia fanboys will pay it.
And because people still think AMD drivers are bad when they've been better than Nvidia's for a long while now.

>>59900616
>tl;dr nvidia are a bunch of jews
Someone link to the history of PhysX
And how AMD GPUs would do PhysX better, but it was proprietary and Nvidia only enabled it when an Nvidia GPU was detected in the system and some other software was used to emulate it on an AMD GPU.
So people got cheap $25 used Nvidia GPUs to enable it on their AMD cards, then an Nvidia driver update blocked PhysX entirely when an AMD GPU was detected in the system at all.

They're only second in their Jewery to Intel. It's actually a good thing that Huang didn't become CEO of AMD, as much as other CEOs before Lisa Su were ruining the company.

>>59900630
In CSGO? Yeah like 300+.

>>59900638
>actually thinks Intel is going to release a newer/better CPU line than the 7000 series on LGA 1151
Haha. You must be new.
>Coffee Lake with the Z300 chipset.
The chipset isn't going to be Z300 or Z370. Z270 won't be able to flash BIOS to suddenly support a 6 core on it.

>>59900144
'no'

Not talking about booting into OS (and that's a pleb moving having an OS on an HDD in 2017 but that's beside the point). People are staring down a black screen for 45 seconds before the BIOS splash screen is coming up.

>>59900664
im just hoping because of the holidays here in germany the rx 580 cards are not gonna be delayed

>>59900389
This isn't great info. PCSX2 has potentially enormous single threaded requirements if you want to run the toughest titles as smooth as possible. One of the few situations I'd recommend intel still.

>>59900664
im surprised amd hasnt made a technology similar to physx

>>59900638
>X99 is still on PCIe 2.0
What? No. My X99 board is from 2015 and all 4 PCI slots are 3.0.

Best CPU and Mobo I can get for less than a $100

>>59900693
>PCSX2 has potentially enormous single threaded requirements if you want to run the toughest titles as smooth as possible
Even a Q6600 gets about 55FPS average on PCSX 2 running Final Fantasy X, dude.
A 1500X has about triple the single threaded performance as the Q6600.

I think you're overestimating how fast modern CPUs are and how good the single threaded of Ryzen is.

>>59900712
>im surprised amd hasnt made a technology similar to physx
They have. They just don't do proprietary shit that needs to be forced down people's throats.
As I just pointed out, AMD GPUs do physics far better than CUDA does and have done so for a long time. It just doesn't require proprietary technology to do and works on Nvidia GPUs as well at reduced performance.

>>59900721
You can't even get a G4560 and B250 board for that. There's not much used you can get that's worth the money, either. Get browsing Craigslist and figure it out yourself.

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/sHGR6X
thoughts?

>>59900730
I have experience with dozens of PS2 games and I can think of several off the top of my head that give my 5820k at 3.8 GHz (comparable to Ryzen single thread) slowdowns. Nothing major but enough to be annoying. That FFX benchmark is ancient and not a great indicator of overall performance.

>>59900721
Get a job

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>>59900748
Why the Prime? What does it have that you really want/need?
Why spend all that extra on a wifi card (holy crap that's 3x what they cost in the US), instead of getting a board with it built in?
Why the trash PSU?
Why the 1060? Aren't RX480s cheaper there still?
Save some and use it to get a 480GB+ SSD.

>>59900766
Hm okay.
IPC isn't a static amount across the board, though. Ryzen IPC is almost 50% higher than Kabylake at some tasks. And just often in general if an application simply compiles for it to take advantage of it being able to handle 4 complex instructions per cycle instead of just 1 complex + 3 simple.
People keep saying "if I clock Kabylake 7% lower then that will put them on par single threaded". No. No it's not. And the 5820k's IPC is worse, not better. You need to clock it to 4.25 or so to make it compareable to Ryzen single threaded ON AVERAGE. But the reality will be that it's twice as fast in some cases.

But for the best single threaded performance on average, i3-7350k wins that.

>Bought last week a i7-7700k and a gtx 1080.
>the new intels will be released in 2-3 months
>they will be 6 and 8 cores

Why the fuck nobody warned me?
I spend 1,5k€ for nothing for old trash.
Thanks >>>/g/

>>59900842
I'm pretty certain people were telling you not to last week. I was here. I saw you tards were warned to not buy a CPU for a dead socket but
>xD I don't want to buy anything new. I'll just stick with a re-released CPU from 6 years ago.

>>59900842
There are several posts every thread about the dead socket meme.

>>59900865
>>59900856
So what do?
Sell the system when the new intel is released or stick with it for the next 2-4 years?

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The red and black color scheme a lot of the parts seem to have make me feel weird. It reminds me of the color scheme many suckers have on warframe's trade chat.

>>59900873
Just stick with it and do your research better next time.

I almost fell for the 7700k meme and then realized that money is better spent on a 1700.

>>59900873
The Motherboards for the new Intel socket will probably be in the $250-$600 range. It'll probably be $400 for the 6 core CPU. I imagine that brings your build up closer to 2k

You could sell your motherboard and CPU and get a 1600X, though.
But I'm pretty sure you were warned, and you just love getting cucked so you set this up to happen.

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>>59900873
Its really all going to depend on what the actual gains are from the next series of chips.

>>59900909
>"15%"
That's on mobile! 15% increase on mobile was true!
>there's no mobile LGA 2066

But really, that's Coffeelake for the claimed 15% increase. Which, yeah, is going to be for mobile. Expect 0-3% for CPUs.
It's supposed to have 6 core CPU for mainstream. So basically it looks like the i7-8700k will be a 6 core. Maybe i5s will finally have hyperthreading that they should have gotten 2 years ago, too, wowie.
But it's going to require
yet
another
new
motherboard

>>59900909
>>59900906
>>59900905
K thank you. I am just stupid as fuck.
I think i should get a minimal wage job (no education) and save up a litte.

>>59900835
Fuck off

>>59900953
You spent much too much on a PC for someone with no job.

Most people here are happy with their $850 builds and having a 280X or 290X that's still good after so long and not needing to upgrade that and shit.

>>59900973
Got the money from my father.
I am happy too but it bothers me that in 2 months there will be a new release.

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>>59900840
Just shut the fuck up and keep backpedaling. The only one underestimating anything here is you underestimating how demanding PCSX2 can be by bringing up the Q6600.

All I was pointing out was that Haswell-tier IPC is still "not enough" muscle to flawlessly run every PCSX2 game and although Ryzen may surpass it in certain single threaded situations, in others it is probably very similar or possibly worse, so until more information comes out specifically about Ryzen and PCSX2 the safer bet would be an unlocked Kaby Lake chip running close to 5.0 GHz if running that particular emulator as close to flawless as possible was very important to the user.

>>59900389
How much difference would dropping down to 2x4GB make?

>>59897051
>[Asus PRIME X370-PRO ATX AM4 Motherboard]
>| $158.99
wai?

literally just buy a modded ps2 lmao

>>59899354
>two mount points
I like how my Spire screwes the mobo

>>59901044
I said the 7350k, you sperg

>>59901313
Yeah, I'm glad they changed that. Mounting the old cooler was a pain in the ass if it was in case.

Someone make a new thread. Maybe add a warning about Nvidia dx12 with ryzen

>>59901199
If you are just gaming, most games don't pass 6gb

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>using your first SSD
Unf. I should have done this a long time ago.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/3xxKRG
video editing build
totally don't play games, but it would be nice if it wasn't 100% incompetent in case any pals come over(need friends first) and want to play games
did I dun goofed
(I already have a cpu cooler and hdd's. don't mind the second 850 eve thats not for me)

>>59901400
Again: why the prime?

I want to buy a SSD, but I'm not sure if I even need it. My daily tasks are video editing and gaming.
Is 120gb enough just for OS and couple of games?

I'm building a virtualization pc with proxmox not to be bound by any OS and have fun installing gentoo on VMs, also intend to play games like VR with it.
What i chose:

AMD RYZEN 7 1800X, got one for 310€ on ebay like website
Noctua NH-D15, may buy 3 Noctua NF-A4x10 for case
Kingston ValueRAM 16 Go DDR4 2400 MHz ECC
GTX 1070, trying to get one for cheap, 1080 don't go lower than 400€
Fractal Design Define R3
1 SSD either 500 or 1TB to put VMs on maybe ZFS, not sure about which file system to use for this?
Bunch of WD red HDD to stock data using probably btrfs
Still need to choosea motherboard and PSU.

Could i get some tips or advices ? Am i doing good so far ?

>>59901396
Literally one of the biggest uplifts in performance you'll ever feel on a pc.

And to think some people still buy 500+ dollar new pc's without SSD's

>>59901465
suggest me a different mobo
I haven't built computers in a long time soooooo I just picked what was higher up and was hoping someone would guide me in the right direction if I was doing it wrong

asus prime x370 or gigabyte k7?

>>59901470
I'd just use it for games instead of a faster boot unless you boot your PC every day. Otherwise 120gb isn't shit when some games are 50gb.

>>59901478
Virtualization? From Linux? Nvidia propriety drivers are shit on Linux.

>>59901485
Yeah, even for a g4560 build I recommend a 500gb sad. Makes it like $550 total but upgrading easier.

>>59901508
I don't know what features you need but prob the cheapest ASRock x370. Killer model iirc.

And get a 520w seasonic fanless pay if you wanna spend that much. And an RX 470 is all of a GPU that you need. 1070 is a waste. Get bigger ssd instead.

Someone copy the op and make a new thread. I'm on mobile

>>59901544
PSU not pay*

>>59901465
at the price - best BIOS right now, asus fixed their shit
best VRM comparable to $200+boards
a lot of people report that cheap corsair LPX 3200 kits work with it not to mention more expensive g.skill ones

other comparable board is GAx370 k7 and only because it got BCLK chip and looks better

STAY AWAY FROM MSI

>>59901578
Is it really better than the ASRock x370 killer? Seen people were getting 3200 even on the pro4 fine.

benchmarks on the x370 were crazy bad 2 weeks ago, too.
Vrm phases don't mean shit if BIOS sucks. And really 5 or 6 phases are enough to OC to 1.4v. even 4 good phases is enough.

>>59901635
apparently new 6004 BIOS is alright

>>59898907
That's not proper spacing you fucking retard, you doubleline when you bring up a new topic or subject, not whenever you're about to say something else.