/tpg/ - ThinkPad General

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You are moving overseas for at least a year and you can only bring two ThinkPads with you. Which models do you pick?

>>59881245
x270 & t420

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I was swap thrashing my SSD a lot, so I found some spare ram and upgraded my x200 to 4GB.
Should I max out to 8GB while I'm at it?

>>59881245
X220 and T520, both with 9 cell batteries, new keyboards, and the best screens available for those models.

>>59881227
I know this is a retarded question but I'll ask anyway
Is it possible to retrofit the x200 or x420 motherboards into a x60 case and use the x60s LCD?

>>59881410
I meant T420

Is a Y510P a bad idea? (Known defects, etc.)

I know it's not a true thinkpad, but I'm mulling one over.
(I want to replace an i3-2310M/GT540M Acer with something better performing for vidya, but still a laptop out of necessity. They seem to hover around the £500 mark used, which is around my budget.)

>>59881410
No because the T420 motherboard is too wide because the T420 is a wide screen, and the screw holes of a x220 wont match the x60 screw holes. I'm also sure they have a bunch of differences in battery, display, and keyboard connectors so not it is not possible.

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Hey guys!

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What are you waiting for in the mail, /tpg/?

>>59881444
Very bad, that shit will break down faster than you can yell SHIT! If you want a thinkpad for gaymen, then look up setting up a eGPU setup with a T420 or W520 (if you want a quad core). Or maybe you should think about stopping gayming and doing something productive, like programming. They call them think-pads for a reason, you've got to THINK YOU VIDEO NIGGER.

>>59881472
Everything else I can rationalize, but what the fuck is with that bezel?

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>>59881472
Oy vey Mr.Goldstein, your shekelpad isn't progressive enough! Get one of those applebooks instead! Oy gevalt!

>>59880426

layout is shit but typing feels better imo

What's so good about thinkpads?
I usually don't browse /g/

>>59881576
they're basically macbooks for neckbeards
they're also really cheap so neets can afford them
don't let anyone convince you otherwise.
if macbooks cost as much as thinkpads, nobody would be buying thinkpads.

>>59881576
>What's so good about thinkpads?

they just work, older models are still relevant because there's not been a significant increase in performance during the past years, can be fixed and upgraded, tons of parts, trackpoint is GOAT, it's not gonna get nigged.

Why does the clitpoint send the cursor sailing slowly across the screen even after I take my finger off of it?

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>>59881576
Superior durability without becoming a lugable:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdh-LCnLpfc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6K6Cxi2DVY
But the new thinkpads (newer than the **20 series) are shit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOFvk-FzTxQ

>>59881655
Re-calibration of the clitmouse, its so its always centered on screen.

>>59881576
>What's so good about thinkpads?
>I usually don't browse /g/

why is OP always a cum slurping retard who doesnt bother to include this pasta?
>Used machines are plentiful and cheap.
>Excellent keyboards - tactile feel and quiet.
>Great durability: chassis uses a magnesium rollcage for structural integrity, with high quality plastic body panels.
>Utilitarian design: e.g. indicator LEDs, 7 row keyboard layout on older models.
>Docking stations that easily turns your laptop into a desktop.
>Easy to repair, upgrade and maintain thanks to readily available service manuals for every model. Spare parts are easy and cheap to obtain.
>The best trackpoint (that red thing in the middle of the keyboard). Great for those who type a lot or hate swiping their fingers all over a touchpad.
>Excellent GNU/Linux & *BSD support.

>>59881621
There HAS been a significant increase, just not in performance.
While it took intel 10 years to effectively double the performance throughput of a core2duo, CPUs use so little power now that 8+ hour laptop battery life is now possible, even on gaming laptops.

Meanwhile, you're lucky to get 4 hours from a core2duo thinkpad.

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How common is multithreading nowadays?

A i7-3632QM upgrade for the T430 has a significantly higher multithread rating than the most expensive i7 available on the T470, even though the single thread rating is lower.

What is a good distro to install on my x61s?

I just want it for shitposting and watching YouTube while in bed, but battery life is important.

>>59881748
debian

>>59881245
x220 or x270 and w520.

>>59881776
Any specific version?

>>59881780
debian stretch
it's going to go stable any day now

>>59881787
Okay, I'll install that as soon as my Thinkpad and SSD come in the mail.

Thanks Anon :)

>>59881744
>games: sometimes
>production: often
>office: no
>js+node+electron+bloat: lul
look at your use case and find out about those programs.

x220 still super comfy for laptop, thinking about upgrading to r7 for main machine.

>>59881482
Minidock for t420

Looks dope

>>59881744
>A i7-3632QM upgrade for the T430
enjoy your housefire

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Post comfy pads

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>>59881941

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I have xfce running with a mofit theme that looks like 90s CDE and the terminal open pretty all the time.
People probably think I'm poor.

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Safest way to buy x220 IPS screen? I've heard some have problems with them.

>>59881712
did you even read retard?
I specified there hasnt been a significant increase in PERFORMANCE

> there's not been a significant increase in performance

I really need help on this one. is HD4000 enough for photoshop and some video editing? or I need a nvs5400m? I know photoshop supports cuda, but is that only limited function and not much for other stuff? I can't decide if I should get a t430 or x230. more power or better portability

>>59881227
>For stuff like T42, X41 or earlier, don’t bother, unless you’re collecting
>don't bother
Misleading guide, anon

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When is the T430 going to overtake the T420 in price/performance?

>>59883452
when the bios won't be a pain in the ass to unlock/flash.
also when people will stop asking for $350 for a T430 with i7
aka never.

>>59882005
How long battery time are you getting on that?

Any creative/cheap ways to cover the cd drive on t420? I don't want to spend 30 bucks on a second hard drive caddy that I'll never use.

>>59883753
>measure width and height
>make a cardboard insert
>ducktape the cardboard so its black
>?

>>59883753
>30 bucks
dude it's $3.49

>>59881227
anyone know whats the maximum resolution of the edp on t440 or t450 output? I heard the t420 and t430 is 1440p, but they are lvds connectors

>>59881227
How does X61 perform in browsing and photo/video editing?

>>59881482
Battery cover for my t60.

I just ordered a t42 for €25.

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objectively speaking, how long would a new T520 battery last during normal usage? no gaymen, no youtube, just shitposting and text editing.

>>59884528
2

Guys, weird question

Is the X220 good for emulation?

As in, is it fine for stuff like Lakka?

>>59881227
press control+p during boot.

>>59884528
Is T520 still one of ye olde good Thinkpads? It's the only one I've found in my city.

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>>59881227
Which model is more popular here, T420 or X220?

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So for real tho, is X220 a good one? There's a deal for one little used one nearby. It comes with two batteries and two charges? Should I bite? 220€ but I think I could get it down to 200€.

>>59885124
yes
>>59885213
both
>>59885269
yes
>>59884906
why

>>59884528
4-5 hours on 6 cell, 7-8 on 9 cell

>>59885269
Depends on how bad the condition is. If it's pretty well kept and you manage 200 Euros then it's a pretty good deal, especially with European prices

>>59883753
Print some plastic lol. It's probably a good idea to have something in there for structural reasons

>tfw a decent IPS panel for the X220 still costs 80 fucking euros minimum

>>59885512
Stick to tn trash as the IPS panel is garbage anyway

Is an A Grade X230 i7 8GB RAM, 320 GB HDD worth £230?

>>59885482
>both
No, one of them has to be more popular than the other.

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>>59885489
It's in a really good shape, no damage or anything externally at least, seller doesn't admit any damage on it either.

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/tpg/ where i can find the best setup for performance for a bios mod x220?

>>59885657

The wonderful thing about ThinkPads is that you could probably build an x220 entirely from brand new spares, even down to brand new screws if the condition of eBay ones isn't to your liking.

>>59885657
go for it.

>>59885754
>build an x220 entirely from brand new spares
And how much would that cost?

>>59885791

Literally bout tree fiddy. Replacements are always more expensive than a new machine's total components as we all know. Still, for having a brand new condition x220, a fucking bargain.

>>59885739
Bump.

Does the battery continue charging once it is full and the thinkpad is connected to the dock?
Thinkpad x220 running linux if it is software rather than hardware controlled.

>>59885269
Go for it.

It's great machine. Just check is bios unlocked.

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I know this is specifically a ThinkPad General, but I found my old T40 in some storage boxes a couple days ago, and I just reformatted the drive for OS re-installation.

Anyone have experience with *BSD or Linux on it?
Or is Pentium M too old to really use anymore?
(Debian previously installed and ran great once before, but want to try other things)

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>>59881227
Just installed *dibs bedora*:DDD 25 on my x230, two questions:

Any general advice?

Is there a way to have GNOME report the actual battery capacity instead of going to 100%? I've used i3 a lot and once of the nice things its status bar thing can do is check the actual battery capacity versus its designed max. In other words, my battery has lost about 25% capacity over the years and therefore it would stop at about 75%. Look at /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/energy_full[_design] to see what I mean.

>>59885936
Unless it's a particularly bad chink battery, it's not going to decide to keep charging until it explodes
Just use tp_smapi or the like if you feel inclined to stop it charging before 100%
The settings are probably stored on a chip somewhere since they're usually preserved between boots to different operating systems unless overwritten again (e.g. into windows with Power Manager) but reset if you remove the battery until booting into an environment that applies battery settings

>>59881227
E570 master race reportan in for duty

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Hey lads, I've been trying to get Windows 98 on my T40 for a day now and it always crashes when I get to the bit with "Preparing to start Windows for the first time" without a bluescreen or error log. The computer restarts and goes right back to the post screen every time. Is my BIOS too new or just a software issue?

>>59881245
T460 two times

>>59881227
Does using a thinkpad hurt your wrists?

oh man i want to buy a x201 in second hand, for $200 i get a pretty sweet portable computer.

but does anyone else cant stop thinking how nasty that is? i start thinking about how many times the previous owner touched his dick and then the computer, how many times he sneezed into the computer or spilled some drink..

its disgusting.. but for $200 theres nothing even close in first hand.. maybe this is crazy but anyone else feels like that?

>>59886692
yea my guess is thats a lot of new laptop hardware for win98 to handle. try win2000, it will work for sure 100%.

>>59887495
I touch my dick on everything I sell.

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>>59886692
>>59887644
NEVERMIND! Looks like having an extra stick of RAM or slightly over 1gb of memory was causing the reset.

>>59883452
In Europe they already have. I sold my X220 for £200 and bought an X230 for £275, same would go for the T420-T430 I'm sure.

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How do you guys feel about the the t440p? I have one and it feels like cheap shit compared to older ones I've had. I like that the screen can be easily upgraded to full hd so might hang on to it, not sure.

>>59887495
$200 is a little high for x201, unless its perfect condition I think. I've bought near perfect condition x201 for $100 off craigslist but wouldnt expect that. Around $150 is good price.

>>59887881
Win9x has issues with RAM once you get over 512MB. There is a workaround tho. Has to do with the filesystem cache I think.

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>>59887992
see >>59881690

I use a T43, am I cool yet?

is 350€ too much for a x230?

>>59887992
It's good of you replace the trackpad, though the build quality is, in fact inferior
>>59888235
Stop posting that image, you don't need to keep stating the obvious every time, you fucking autist.

>>59888283
You're good as long as you're not using anything after T61

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>>59888394
>lenovo shill gets triggered over picture
I'll post whatever I want, gook.

>>59888451
sweet, I paid £3 for it.

But then I paid £7 for a power supply and £3 for extra ram.

not sure how I install the extra ram though, i'll find a guide.

>>59888456
Did you even read what I posted you idiot?

>>59888477
Yes I did
>Stop posting that image, you don't need to keep stating the obvious every time, you fucking autist.
I wasn't even talking to you when posting that pic.

>>59888456
You're the book for suggesting a chinknovo craptop instead of a real IBM ThinkPad

>>59888500
*gook

>>59888394
>Stop posting that image
it hurts, doesn't it?

>>59888500
>>59888514
Dumb phoneposter

>>59888500
There haven't been real IBM thinkpads since the T3* series, however I still enjoy the old thinkpads, I have a T40 and a T60. However, for practical purposes, the T4** series is superior, because even though it does not have the quality it once had, it still retains the original IBM design.

Are thinkpads the only non-obsolete laptops that still use cylindrical keycaps?

pls respond.

>>59888533
Sorry I meant T400-T420 series, not T4** series.

>>59883817
where?!

>>59888526
Yes, it hurts to see people suggesting the T420, which is shit compared to the far superior T61.

>>59888546
The T420 was shit

If I use the ThinkPad Mini Dock Plus Series III, can a X220 drive two DisplayPort monitors?

>>59881227
>Recommended models:
>T420 - 14", normal size
>X220 - 12.5", ultraportable
I was looking into ThinkPads and I came here and found this. Why do you guys suggest those two models and not newer ones?

>>59888728
They are the most recent ones with he thinkvantage buttons, the think light afaik, and the old style non chiclet keyboard.

>>59888675
pretty sure no, you can't use 2x dp or 2x dvi

also the dvi ports are not dual-link, so you can't power 1440p monitors through it

if you can daisychain the monitors via displayport that might work though, if they support that

>>59889612
My monitors supports daisychain, but I don't know if the X220 does. My Mac mini with the same generation intel graphics does not.

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>>59881941
not mine but the guy who posted it lurks here

>>59888604
How?

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>>59888728
Because the new ones don't have the durability characteristic of old thinkpads:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOFvk-FzTxQ

New lenovos wont last a week.

Help /g/ I'm about to buy an x301 for about £90. Talk me out of it.

Alternatives are, x200
Can an x200 still handle YouTube at 720/1080p

T410
What is the portability like
How does the nvs 3100m preform compared to gma 4500mhd

T400s is gma 4500mhd still good enough for YouTube these days?

>>59890402
>shit keyboard
>shit aspect ratio
>lower build quality compared to IBM ThinkPads
>>59890568
Do it faggot

>>59890579
I'm still hung up on the fact that the su9600 and gma would make it basically useless

>>59890579
>shit keyboard
Not significantly worse than the T60 and earlier
>shit aspect ratio
16:9 is not that bad because if you think about it, its the natural shape of your vision. A persons vision is much more horizontal than vertical, so with a 4:3 screen you have a lot of your horizontal vision unused.
>lower build quality compared to IBM ThinkPads
The plastic body panels are a bit lower in quality, but because the T420 retains the original IBM design with a real rollcage, it keeps it structural integrity on par with older thinkpads.

>>59890630
make a X201f (X200 with a X201 motherboard) if you want to go retro but still have a usable laptop.

>>59885754
Do you know where to order these spares?
Should they be ordered from ebay or directly from lenovo?

>>59885519
Not terrible, might be a "great" deal if UK prices of thinkpads are higher than in merka. If you don't immediately need a laptop then I'd wait around for something better, unless this laptop has an IPS display.

>>59881245
librebooted x200

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Besides being unsightly, is there anything wrong with bashed up but otherwise working X220 on Ebay?

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What do now?

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How do I build a X220 out of new parts?

>>59891111
checking the quads

>>59891335
Unless the price is really low... why not simply buy a decent ThinkPad there's a fuckton of them on ebay.
ex-corporate tend to be in best condition but come with generic specs - TN, 320GB HDD, 4GB RAM

What is this bent metal piece in my Cd drive of my t420? It catches when I remove the Cd drive, and I don't know how it got bent up like that in the first place.

Can I remove it?

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>>59892365
Woops

>>59891619
Anyone?

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Rate my purchases /g/
The battery is for my w500 and some other shit is for my mum's 6400 that I'm restoring

>>59893294
>repairing a piece of shit inspiron
Might as well use your cash as toilet paper.

why does /g/ like thinkpads so much ?

>>59893571
see >>59881690

I feel like X220 is getting old, and probably the best option for me would be buying 51nb custom.
Anyone used them?

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How can I build a X220 out of new parts?

>>59891111
Hi luke

Wtf I just clicked power on button on my X220, it started a loud coil whine without any lights or fans coming on. Could only plug out the battery to stop it.
Now the battery apparently is dead, 0%. Second one to go on this laptop. thanks lenovo

>>59891926
>ex-corporate tend to be in best condition
Minority of them are so-so. They hover around €90-120 for me, but I saw one go for €75.40 in pretty banged up condition (but with nine cell battery).

>>59891619
>buy new parts
>build it

>>59894739
But where can I get the parts directly from lenovo? I have found the parts on ebay but they add up to over $400 (this is not including RAM and a SSD which I already have).

>>59894786
>discontinued machine
>thinks lenovo still builds them

Does it worth buying a laptop with libreboot installed and Trisquel GNU/Linux?
Im thinking to get one to develop software, but i dont know if it worth a libre laptop.

>>59894837
But they should have replacement parts still in stock. These laptops were used by businesses in the millions.

>>59894899
>fly to china
>break into warehouse
>find the stash of thinkpad parts
>masturbate onto every palm rest and keyboard
>sell to tpg
>become rich

seems pretty easy mate you should be able to build a few out of the parts too

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tfw my x220 is perfect except for no IPS screen

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>>59891461
Replace ctrl and fn. Install Arch.

Is there any reason not to update bios?

>>59895541
You can buy a new one and replace it easily.

>>59895607
>Install Arch
>Not /g/entoo

>>59891461
Disable turbo boost

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Hello /tpg/, i'm planning on replacing my lenovo G580 with a ThinkPad since reapairing/upgrading it might not be worth it. I run linux and most of the time i browse the internet, listen to some music and watch chinese cartoons. I'm looking for a ThinkPad that has a better hardware than my G580 (this include toughness) as well as the ability to upgrade to a nice 1080p IPS display and run a SSD for the OS along with an HDD for mass storage. The best candidates i found would be the T440 or the T450, their hardware is better than my G580 and both are able to upgrade to a 1080p IPS display, but apparently they aren't that tough and you can't use it's m.2 slot for a bootable SSD. With my preferences in mind, what model would /tpg/ choose?
Pic unrelated.

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>>59892365
>>59892390
Just bend it back. It keeps the ultrabay centered, so don't bend it too far.

>>59896213
Don't get lenovo's new redesigned thinkpads, they aren't very durable or high quality. If you want 1080p and are not very concerned about portability, get a W520/T520. Although the 1080p T520 screen is TN, it has the same color accuracy as lenovo's new cheap IPS panels, and has quite good viewing angles for a TN. Also by buying a new lenovo you are supporting a Chinese business that does not have your interests in mind.

Your thoughts on the R60?
I want to hack a Frankenpad, so I'm deciding between a R60 or a T60 with broken panel to start.

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Does it worth buying this? pic related.

>>59896349
Epic maymays.

can someone help me with
>>59896549

>>59896688
Fuck no. You're better off buying an x220 and trannybooting it yourself

>>59896609
The T60 is superior

Got a T420 a few days ago with Win7 preinstalled. For reasons I needed to reinstall the os so I did so but now I cant connect to the internet whether wireless or wired. I've tried installing the necessary network adapter drivers but it makes no difference and I cant do a Windows update since I cant connect to the internet.

What do?

>>59896858
Well, the seller said me that the T60 is the 14" inch version, meanwhile, the R60 it's 15.

Trying to flash coreboot on my T520 boys, the ch341a programmer loses power as soon as I connect the 3.3V wire, what's the matter? Does the USB port on the other laptop not have enough juice to power the programmer and the 3.3V for the chip at once?

>>59881245
P50 at max spec and x220t w/ slice battery

>>59896934
Anyone have any ideas?

Please I really need this laptop functioning for work

>>59897187
>>59896934
manually install the networking drivers
has happened to me a couple times with win7

>>59889806
I'm in love

>>59897235
ive found a blogpost with a list of the downloadable drivers, ill install them and see if it fixes the problem

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>>59896934
You need the drivers
A clean install will get rid of it...
I recommend getting the LAN driver and the Lenovo System Update as well
>http://support.lenovo.com/us/en/downloads/ds019204
>https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/solutions/ht080136

>>59896609
Depends on what you want to to
a 15" 4:3 R60 frame and motherboard are physically different from a 4:3 T60 & T61 mobo.
R60's dont come with an IPS display, but 15" 4:3 T60p's mostly do.

I was gonna frankenpad a R60 with a bad mobo but after finding out it wasn't an IPS panel and I needed another R60 mobo, I bitched out because I didn't want to modify the frame (didn't have a dremel at the time

>>59896349
Fuck off please

>>59896213
A base T440 does not support IPS 1080p, its LCD ribbon cable doesn't support it and anything past 720p bricks the motherboard.
T440s and T440p can be upgraded to 1080p IPS, the easiest is with non-touch models.
I used a ChiMei panel on a T440p, cheap swap and easy (did a video tutorial)

This changed on the base T450 and supports 1080p IPS. The 'p' models just have a socketed processor if you think about upgrading the CPU.

>pic related
Left is the cheap (but good) chimei panel next to an AUO B140HAN01.1 on my T430s, which is arguably the best 14" panel available in 2014.

You can use the m.2 slot on T440/50 models, but you need the correct length, a 52mm one. Could always get an extender.

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did anyone itt ever buy a x62 from 51nb?
seriously considering it rn

>>59897429
He is not going to fuck off, he's been here for 1 month already, shitting on people who buy newer ThinkPads and calling them "Lenovo shills" and "gooks", while forcing shitty memes regarding the **30 series
But I think you already knew that

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>>59895614
Me personally, I don't care unless I am told that I should not update. Reasons are because of bios whitelists on wifi/hdds, but sometimes these whitelists are removed on updates...

Some modified bios are great, especially the middleton bios.

>>59894881
IMO develop software first with a linux system and then decide for yourself. Have you tried Trisquel, because you may hate the OS. With that said, you could always use another distro that can respect your freedom.

You are limited to hardware if you do the LibreBoot path.

>>59893571
Not sure why, but /g/ made me discover ThinkPads in 2010 and I've had about 50 ever since them.
Its just fun buying and trying them.
I just got the 'first' ThinkPad, an IBM 2521. Gotta fix them but I've became obsessed.

With that said, I am using a ChromeBook Pixel as my main laptop for work...
The 16:10 display is hard for someone who likes 4:3.

>>59891335
Are you in the US?
Whenever I get a banged up laptop, it is nearly impossible to sell.
Like when I get a banged up unit from work, I literally part it out(CPU, Mobo, LCD, RAM, Keyboard, Bezels, Frame, Bottom) and they sell equal to or for more than a 'good' unit with Windows installed in auction...
pls post more photos

>>59882005
nice, playing some games and making breakfast at the same time.

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>>59897589
He probably isn't the only one.
But fuck them. I'll take the bait and tell em to eff off (:

IMO the 'god tier' ThinkPads should be recommended to enthusiasts or for people who don't want a primary mobile machine.
Like I recommend an IBM machine for anyone who wants a unit for fun. Then again, i will recommend Sony Vaios, ToughBooks, Elitebook 8760w, 2760p, and late 09 or mid 2010 Unibody macbooks for funs.

It just depends what they need, want and budget for. <3

>>59888728
IMO it should be updated, but its all copy paste
T450s is really a damn good deal
T430 is a superior machine than the T420, and if people bitch about the keyboard, it can be modded to accept it.
IF even then it is bitched at, a T601p is a better laptop than the Dankpad.
With all that said, a T420 is still a damn good place to start, though I recommend a T430 if you want to spend a little more and dGAF about the OEM battery lockout

>>59888539
What? please explain

>>59881227
Does anyone know if the w520 can run overwatch?

>>59897904
requirements say HD4600 so probably not except with egpu

>>59897992
I have the quadro 2000m is that not enough?
i7
8gb ram

>>59896722
>>59897429
Error, no arguments provided.

>>59897235
Got it sorted, thanks

>>59896319
I bent it back the other direction, but it seems to work still, and it doesn't catch like it did.

>>59898169
Well, I tried to bend it back after it was the other direction and the offending piece just snapped off, the drive still works fine and the rest of the clip is there, just not that center piece.

>>59898205
your thinkpad weighs less. good job anon

>>59898230
Nice, that clip was making it unbearable to carry. My problem is solved.

>>59896688
thats a fucken ripoff
>>59897503
reading their forums for a while, it seems like they selling the fourth batch of x62 boards. Its really temping to get one of those, but I don't have a x60/X61 and i don't want to go through the trouble to get one...so I leaning towards getting their modded t430
there is a x62 review on notebookcheck. it got a pretty good rating

>>59883817
Anon pls link if serious

>>59897503
alright I read more and seems they won't be making more x62 boards. The i7 model are sold out, only option left is the i5 5600U. But you might want to take a look at their T70 board for T60/61. the board alone costs $600 though

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>>59895796
>turbo boost
Whay?

>>59897589
I've been here for over half a year, I only started posting a month ago, but my shitposting war against the lenovo shills has just begun.
This thread will stay IBM till my last breath.

>>59881227
What's the FRU for the best keyboard manufacturer for the T440s? Just snagged one from work for about a hundred bucks and I want to replace the touchpad and the keyboard.

>>59899180
>implying the T420 is an IBM ThinkPad

>>59899318
It retains IBM's original thinkpad design (minus the 4:3 aspect ratio and ultrabay battery).

>>59897721
>T430 is a superior machine if you dGAF about the OEM battery lockout
>if you dGAF about locked bios
>if you dGAF about the wlan whitelist
>if you dGAF about the keyboard
lmao okay

>>59897429
too bad B140HAN01.1 is still not a good panel. its just others are utter piece of shit.

>>59881227
I got a T420s but the batter that came with it is a piece of shit

What type of battery should I get guis, just go and find an original or buy an offmarket or what?

>>59899461
Original batteries have larger capacity that most aftermarket batteries, but aftermarket batteries have the benefit that you can buy multiple for the cost of one original and swap the batteries when out of juice.

>>59899481
I see, thanks m8

I really can't complain though I got it for a good price and it looks almost brand new

>>59898912
just do it fagget

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>>59899423
>I post in /tpg/ where we diy and mod thinkpads
>"lets put new screen x in machine y"
> but I can't into software or bios mods. "whitelists!!"
kys

>>59882284
Get an X230 display

>>59899423
I dgaf about the battery because it is at most an $20 increase in price for OEM vs third party batteries
Everyone bitches about non-OEM batteries here but then whines about the T430 not accepting third party
This is why I literally dGAF about that argument

>wlan whitelist
Don't have any problems with the wifi I have
If I wanted faster wifi speeds, i probably would want a faster processor too, hence, why stay with the T430 then? Lets pretend bios mods don't ever get produced later in time
>keyboard
I don't, because if I really want a fucking god tier typing experience it wont be on ANY Lenovo made past 2009.
X300 and X301 was the last hurrah of a typing expericance you can get on a ThinkPad
The fucking drop in feel in regards to the structure of the T60 and T420 is exponential.
If I

Is it safe to say that a T61/p with the nvidia gpu that is still working won't =be likely to fail? I got my hands on a few working units and I don't want to have any break down the road.

>>59899738
what? use em and let us know

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>>59899831
T61/p Thinkpads that had nvidia GPUs that were manufactured within 07-mid 08 had a high rate of failure. I bought a few to use as a secondary and a family laptop. What I'm hoping is that, since they lasted this long, they won't a few of the many that were fucked. They were cheap, so I probably won't have anything to worry about. Pic related, The dates on the GPUs from each laptop.

>>59899916
interesting. use em and let us know

>>59899916
Was that shit fixable or were they just fucked if they went bad? What was wrong with them?

>>59900043
I personally have no idea, they're my first Thinkpads, and I didn't know about the issue until I read the T61 wikispaces page, https://t61.wikispaces.com/home#nvidia

>>59882284
check out lcdfans on facebook. they sell an x220 with a 1440p screen

>>59895607
>doesn't like the more comfy fn + ctrl placement
>arch
I bet your breath smells like old semen.

Anyone know what drivers I need for the X220 and/or T520's media leds to work properly under a fresh install of Windows 10? They hardly ever reflect the status of my volume properly (i.e on when the speakers aren't muted, off when they are). They just werk under based debian but sometimes I want to gaym.

How is the build quality of an x230? I am getting one soon to replace my x220 and want to know how much shittier it will be. I already plan to mod the keyboard from my x220 onto my x230, but what about things like the hinges, internals, etc?

Every Thinkpad I see on ebay seems to include the hard drive and OS in the price like I want their shitty 500gb hard drive or OS. Any advice on search terms to narrow my results? ebay's search jokeboxes on the left never work.

Annoying coreboot fag back again, how do I get windows booting on T520 with Ivy bridge chip installed? You need to use vgabios to boot windows (native gfx init only work with linux) but I don't understand which vgabios file I need to use to get ivy bridge compatibility (which is automatic with native init)

Do I have to get my hands on a T430 or T530 bios dump and use the vgabios from that? Do I just have to extract my original T520 vgabios and edit it somehow to get it work with Ivy bridge? What I do?

>>59900231
>coreboot
>windows
Whats the point of installing coreboot if your going to use windows?
Why do you need Windows? Why not Linux?
If you want to use windows programs make a qemu vm inside linux.

>>59900286
I'm flashing coreboot for the ivy bridge compatibility not the "freedom"

>>59900212
"thinkpad no hard drive"

>>59900298
Then why didn't you just install a T430 motherboard in your T420 or just get a T430?
I highly suggest you try out Linux, it really goes hand in hand with a used thinkpad.

>>59900339
Bcuz writing a different bios to a chip is much easier and cheaper than swapping mobos, and I want windows for the gaymes ( that is why I flash coreboot to get hd4000 better game fps )

>>59900372
can't you just use WINE?

>>59900372
>windows for the gaymes
Gayming is not a purpose suited for thinkpads.
Hence, fuck off right back to >>>/v/ and get yourself a gayming laptop.

>>59900448
What a cancerous faggot

Its the same easily identifiable fag too

Nobody gives a fuck what he does with his Thinkpad. Stop spazzing out every time somebody mentions gaming on thinkpads.

>>59900503
not him but.. it is a /g/ tradition to scorn and ostracize those who play games here.

>>59900503
>>>/v/

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>>59900503
>What a cancerous faggot
Hello, where are the proofs?
>Its the same easily identifiable fag too
Not possible, this is an anonymous imageboard and I am not a trip fag.
>Nobody gives a fuck what he does with his Thinkpad.
I give a fuck because he is asking me to solve his question which he could do with a couple of minutes of google searching.
>Stop spazzing out every time somebody mentions gaming on thinkpads.
I was talking in a calm and collective manner, I was doing no such "spazzing".
It is frustrating though to see people buy a thinkpad, capable of so much productivity, and using it for useless timesinks like games.
Its like seeing someone using a pitchfork for digging holes in the dirt.

I thought these these were supposed to be well engineered or something. The battery on my x230 rattles around like it's not even the right size or something.

Sold some parts last week and have $300 USD to spend. Anyone wanna spoon feed me suggestions?

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What are these even for?

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>>59900943
That's because thinkpads after the **20 series are trash.
>>59901001
When you hold that button the trackpoint acts as a scroll wheel.

>>59900946
If you already have a good desktop: X220 with IPS screen mod
If you don't have a good desktop: T520 or W520 with 1080p screen.

>>59901028
No I mean the bumps.

>>59901041
Oh, that's so you can distinguish the middle button from the side buttons without looking that the trackpad.

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>>59900448
>>59900372
>>59900339
>>59900286
Got it working anyway even without it help faggots :^)

Will the trackpoint get easier to use with time? I really don't see how anyone can prefer this to the touchpad right now.

Need a lappy for third world backpacking. Will an x200 cut it for programming? Working on a shit tier android app

>>59901061
>Windows 10
You are hopeless.

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>>59901092
>third world backpacking
>shit tier android app
Pajeet detected.

Is the Thinkpad Carbon X1 decent?

>>59901078
Using acceleration with the nub makes it easier.

>>59901092
I believe so. Why not get the x220 instead? It's a bit more modern in it's design and as durable as an x200. If you're doing code monkey work though, either of them will work just fine.

I want to please my T420 as much as possible. What are some other things I could insert into the unused ports?
I only have a mouse, headphones and usb cable in the back in.

>>59901185
There is no reason to get it over the T470 desu, it's bezels arnt worth the fuck that it is unserviceable

My T430s leaks power while turned off (<10% a night).
Battery doesn't leak when it's disconnected.
Happened both from win10 and debian.

What should I do? Wake-on-lan is disabled from bios.

>>59881744
Fuck that stupid chink. He shouldn't have gotten money at all for being such a massive cunt.

>>59901001
the little blue bumps are just style/extra visibility. Other models have the bumps (for tactile feedback) but they're not blue.

Given the Death of Moore's Law, I've decided any laptop made today isn't going to be surpassed anytime soon.

I'm jumping on the X62/T70 bandwagon. In a year or two I expect these things to be moddable to death as the hobbyist community digs into the mobo design and ECU code. Just order a couple of the Really Nice Screens to make some X62 and T701 out of NOS parts.

>>59902504
>I'm jumping on the X62/T70 bandwagon.
you're making a big mistake

>>59902314
implanted nsa botnet phoning home

>>59902514
Unlikely.

Is it possible to get something with a SSD amd 16 GB ram for $200? $250?

>>59903068
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-W520-15-6-Laptop-Intel-Core-i7-2760QM-16GB-RAM-240GB-SSD-/142349321094

>>59902898
T70 yes, X62 is a meme

>>59903266
Howso? I have one. Like it.

>>59903130
no way it will stay at $250

>>59893454
Nigga that laptop survived 10 years in a house with two severely autistic children.
Inb4 you're the august
Yes. Yes i am

Location:USA
Price range: ~$350
Size range: Prefer 11 inch
Performance requirements: anime/newgrounds
Other requirements: 8+ Battery life

Hey /tpg/ I'm looking for an anime/porn game machine with a focus on battery life. Was looking at chromebooks but I found out they don't play .mkv or use java. Was looking on amazon everything looks like garbage according to reviews. send help.

is the T420s worth it or should i go with a regular T420?

how much to spend on a used t420?

and is it possible to install a ssd/more ram?

>>59881227
Hi, first time poster on TPG.

I have had an 8 year old laptop and I'd like to bite the bullet and after I get paid for the book I'm translating, I feel that a thinkpad is a good way forward.

My use case:
>Games: Not gaming on laptop
>Office: Loads on battery, I work while commuting, using WPS and PDF reader
>Battery: High priority, needs to hold out as long as possible (now my laptop charges for 2 hours and can go for about 7 working actively)
>Budget: Will state options below
>Size: anything under 15" is okay

I would just like a pointer on how to orient myself in the Thinkpad world. Looking at this:

Lenovo ThinkPad T420s – i7 2,8 GHz, 6 GB, 320 GB, 14,1" HD+ LCD, nVidia NVS 4200M, WiFi, webcam, 2x battery, W7

Is this a good choice? I know that S means Shit battery. This laptop is about 180$ (shit Czech prices).

I would like a 16:9 frame ratio.

>>59903542
Post ssd benchmark, screen nits, and battery life.

>>59903986
200, and ofcourse you can upgrade

>>59903854
>Prefer 11 inch
Get out.

>>59904110
Look for a X220 with an extended battery

>>59904251
OK, got some with 8GB RAM or 4GB RAM, but that doesn't matter so much. Comes with stock battery, though.

What about the god T420? How does it compare to the X220? Any laptops with a greater stock battery life?

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Would buying an HP 8470p be a mistake?
My X201 died and I'm kinda sick of small screens. I have a T420 but I don't wanna knock it around in my bag because I like it too much.

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The power cable keeps coming loose from the back, and it's difficult to even wedge it in there to make it start charging.

Does this call for a new cable or what?

>>59904193
ssd benchmark: currently using a HDD, need to change that
screen nits: 723 (I have an LED upgrade kit)
battery life: dunno, never run it dead.

>>59905132
Also, bkero figured out the ECU/BIOS code has the processor and chipset set up in desktop mode, so it never drops below C3. That should be fixable.

>>59905132
>ssd benchmark
it's somewhere between sata 1 and 2.
how hot does the touchpad gets?

>>59881227
Is the 30 series that much worse than the 20s?

Upgraded from a loaded t420 to a loaded t530with the quad i7 + 2gb nvidia card

I feel dirty using this keyboard but holy shit does this have a lot more power

I think the 30 is as new as I can get while having a traditional dock right?

Am I correct in thinking they now only have the usb dock?

This dock is my life

>>59903895
I could have sworn the t420s is simply the fully loaded one, does the badge actually have the s?

Just make sure it has the quadro 4200m and the better i5 (one has 1mb cache and the other has 2mb or some shit, but the better i5 is more inline with the rare to find i7)

>>59905485
I just got a t440s and it has a docking port. I don't see the complaint about it, the build quality is similar to my x301. Just need to replace this dog shit touchpad.

>>59898912
actually on my T420 I disabled both turbo boost and hypermemethreading.
I know right now this is a really good dualcore instead of a proper i5 but it feels great doing literally whatever I want without being worried about high temps and throttling and shit (I get 40cmin 70cmax), and honestly desu I can't feel the difference during daily usage.

blaze it.

>>59900043
New soldiering process by nVidia.
It botched a lot of laptop manufacturers, the MacBook Pros are notorious for them lol

This is why Lenovo went back to ATI after the nVidia scuffle
Its strange though, because they were preferably ATI in the A3x & T4x era, the T60p had an ATI GPU as well lol

Anywho, a remedy is removing the motherboard, baking it or applying a blow dryer/heat gun to the nVidia chip.

>>59901061
Whats that chip?

>>59904485
Someone had a bad experience from one.
I like them, but these Elitebooks and latitudes never supported mSATA.

>>59905726
>Someone had a bad experience from one.
Over heating? It seems much easier to replace the paste than on a T420 for example.

Also post boipussy xsauc

>>59905726
Hi pls say what you think about this >>59885213
and thanks

So relieved. Opened my t420 to repaste but afterwards headphone jack only outputted sound to one side. Lots of messing with os settings only to find that the headphone jack connector had come loose while I was prying open the palm rest.

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>>59905744
No it was the display or hinge that got all fucked up, hah

>>59905759
T420 always gets posted more.
Its more moddable

>>59905783
Gotcha, yeah nothing comes close to thinkpad hinges sadly.

Also where's the boipussy?

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>>59905815
Sage applies to all fields

>>59905829
We all know your dildo collection is as big as your thinkpad collection

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>>59905829
>Not using the thinkpad of phones

>Get memed out of trying out the 40/50 series
>It's pretty good, the build quality is decent and the keyboard is decent if you get the good manufacturer
Once again you spergs don't know shit.

>>59906314
It's much harder to service than a pre *20 machine.
I actually prefer elitebooks to the newer thinkpads, the big panel on the back makes upgrading/cleaning trivial

>>59904794
A new cable is only about 10 dollars, but before ordering one i would check one out at a store in order to make sure it isn't the port that's broken. If it is the port it's an easy fix. A new charging port is only about 5 dollars and you just have to plug it in.

Should I upgrade a T61? Its been sitting unused and has the lowest resolution ~720p T7500 processor (can upgrade to T9500) and 500GB hard drive, and 3GB ram.

>>59906339
I haven't opened one up yet, by much harder are you referring to the clips on the bottom plate that people tend to break a lot?

>>59905514
The s means it's a slim model. I've heard that they have cooling issues, but i could be wrong

>>59906256
Thinkpads dont explode

>>59906389
Everything is more inaccessible
Even on the X220 to reapply thermal paste you need to remove the screen

>>59906256
>using samshits
I'll stick to my nexus 5 thanks

>>59898017
Even with the recent quadros overmeme probably will have a hard time working properly.
These GPU are optimized for CAD and things that gaymen doesnt use.

>>59906369
alternative is to buy a used T520 on ebay, and sell the T61 on ebay, since the T520 is the newest with the classic keyboard..

but idk if its enough of an upgrade to bother leaving my T61..

So what do?

Upgrade the T61?

or don't and sell it, buy a T520? The fact that T61 uses ddr2 and 4GB sticks are overpriced sucks

>>59906743
T520, upgrade to high gamut display, then oc the panel to 90hz.

Is there a simple way to unlock a password protected BIOS?

>>59906743
>buy a T520?
get a W520

Guys,

HP Elitebook 8470p with 2.7Ghz Core i5-3340M, 8GB RAM, 750GB HDD, and most importantly 1600x900. The OEM power brick is included too.

It's in pretty good condition. $168 with shipping

My only worry is that I don't know if these all have the discreet graphics option (AMD 7570) which would make installing linux a pain, not to mention the heat issues and decreased battery life.
Anyone have any experience with the elitebooks?

>>59906830
>upgrade to high gamut display
you mean 1080p screen?

>>59906846
no

>>59906884
hmm interesting, they aren't too expensive and 1080p seems more common than in other models. its fatty but whatev.

cant find ones with the latest top CPU, but idk if that matters too much, I can always just get an SSD and call it a day with 8GB ram.

>>59906448
4 screws to remove the screen wow hard senpai so hard.

>>59881227
How do I know which thinkpad to get? I don't care about games... just want to learn

>>59906904
>Anyone have any experience with the elitebooks?

everything went to shit post-Arrandale/Westmere when they decided to compete with Apple in the looks department. why do you think you pay 100$ more for a used similar spec'd thinkpad?

>>59907237
>just want to learn
a X220t is great for learning how to draw dicks

>>59907243
The 8470p competes with the T430 no?
As far as I can see there aren't any comparable T430s within that price (~170), especially if I want a non 1366x768 screen.

What are the ideal specs for a W520, and what should I expect to pay for them?

>>59881245
X220 and T420 (or T400 if it's for shitposting).

>>59907558
QM cpu 1080p and some quadro, around $300

>>59907558
Don't you fucking tool.

>>59907875
I'm sorry pajeet, what?

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>>59881227
I just came into the thread to ask what the fucking red knob is for.

I mean I understand what it does but do you actually, like, use that?

>>59908125
If you don't disable the trackpad in BIOS and use the clitmouse exclusively then you miss the point of using this device

>>59906256
There is no "Thinkpad of phones". The new Nokias might come close, but they aren't modular and upgrading internals is out of the question (then again, upgrading is often out of the question for a lot of modern Thinkpads as well)

>>59908125
it's an alternative to the trackpad from the early days of notebook design that's wonky as fuck and will give you wrist aids

it survived on thinkpads and thinkpads only because the userbase of thinkpads is 78% people with intense autism who have arbitrarily decided it's a superior choice and will defend this, without basis, to their death

Is the t400 comparable with an ultrabay battery?

>>59908195
>>59908300
I don't use the trackpad on my laptop either, just get a little radio-usb mouse for 15€ and you're set.

Not sure when the last time was I even touched that thing.

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>>59906256
Funny thing is that at my work we got in a Note II but it takes photos a bit too blue and purple ish
Currently using a Galaxy S6, someone broke the charging port but I was able to use a wireless charging device to make it work.

I'm most likely going to get a Pixel phone in October.

>>59906904
I am a fan of the 8740w & 8760w.
the 8470p looks decent, haven't had one yet, my coworker likes the 2570p and we haven't had problems so far.
Best thing about the 84xx series is that most of them come with 900p displays.

>>59907558
Try to get a 1080p quad i7 for $250, 500GB HDD or 128GB SSD with 8GB RAM would be considered a 'nice deal' at that price.
i've gambled on a few with that price and sold them for $400 - $500 range a year back.

There are two different quadro GPUs though, and you can't upgrade them, this is the flaw of W series against Precisions and (W Series) Elitebooks.

>>59908338
It'll be my first HP but I'll go for it
Just messaged the seller asking if it's the Intel graphics or AMD.

also I love you xsauc :3
>tfw no trap gf to love thinkpads and business computers with

>>59908125
it's nice to keep my hands in one place. with a track pad, I have to lift my hands to the trackpad to use it. with the track stick, I only have to move a finger.
when moving the cursor, pushing gives a constant movement. trackpad requires lifting and dragging, lifting and dragging, etc.
stick doesn't feel like it has the accuracy of a trackpad, but I don't need that level of precision to begin with.

>>59908125
Yes, I actually prefer it to every pointing device I've ever used with the exception of the Kensington ADB trackball I had plugged in to my Power Mac as a kid. Being able to move the most around without taking your fingers off the home row is fucking godly, I suggest you try it sometime.

>>59907558
There's no real "ideal specs", just buy whatever suits your needs. Ideally you will want a 2760QM (the 2720QM is a little bit slow IMO), but the 2620M has better single-thread performance than either one of them, so if you don't do a lot of multitasking or multithreaded shit, you could probably get away with it.

Just make sure whatever you buy has the 1080p screen. There is absolutely no point to getting a W520 with the 1600x900 screen, there are tons of T520s available with that resolution for a lot less money. Personally I paid $290 for my 2720QM with 8 GB RAM, 1080p screen, 500 GB HDD and a colorimeter, but that was one year ago and an exceptionally good deal at the time. You can expect to pay about $300 for a similar configuration nowadays, bit less for dual-core models. I think ktgee's prices are a bit out of line on the W series, because a W520 should not be $450 unless it is in exceptional condition, has the Quadro K2000M graphics, or has a high-end processor like the 2820QM or 2920XM.

>>59908125
it feels like a nipple

New thread:
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>>59906437
Not a problem with note 2's, the battery is replaceable anyway.
>>59906557
>samshits
Old samsung phones (such as the Note 2 pictured) are not shit, here's why:
-Easily replaceable SIM, SD card, and battery, just pop off the back cover and remove.
-Easily repairable. You can replace the screen with just a philips screw driver and a guitar pick.
-Easily rootable and flashable
-Support for replicant, a fully free software android-based rom.
-Integrated stylus
-Super durable
-Used models are very cheap and easy to find.
-Still has specs on par with mid-tier phones today.
>>59908294
See reply above.

>>59908366
Have you tried looking online?