/fglt/ - Friendly GNU/Linux Thread

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Watchdog did not stop!
Watchdog did not stop!

>>59857746
>>59857807
>>59857861

.NET is now fully open source and cross platform. Mono is no longer needed.

What's the best distro?

How do I download Ungoogled Chromium on Kubuntu? I'm new to this.

>>59858654
Depends on what you need.

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>>59858659
https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium

>>59858653
>fully open source
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html

It's free (BSD+MIT+Apache2.0) software, don't meme it down to just "le open sores".

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>>59858654

>>59858654
PCLinuxOS is objectively the best distro.

>>59858654
install gentoo

>>59858676
>sudo is a must anytime you make install
>not installing inside $HOME
>giving root to unverified repos
KYS yourself

>>59858659
0. re-consider your life if you use i368 ubuntu in year of the lord, 2017
1. open https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium/releases
2. search for the section for ubuntu binaries
3. download the .deb packages.
4. install the deb packages with dpkg:

dpkg -i file1.deb

You can supply more than one .deb files or you can put all the files in one directory and inside run

dpkg -i *.deb

5. run

apt-get install -f

to install any necessary dependencies
6. chromium is now should be in your.... "start menu" or whatever it is called in kde

>>59858659
Check out the github page.

There are prebuilt packages here:
https://ungoogled-software.github.io/ungoogled-chromium-binaries/

Compilation instructions here:
https://github.com/Eloston/ungoogled-chromium#getting-the-source-code

Since you're on Ubuntu you can also use a PPA or deb file. Try searching for them.

>>59858778
Wow you're dumb

>>59858778
>KYS yourself
kill yourself yourself

is it worth it to install Ubuntu GNOME 17.04 or should I just stick with Ubuntu GNOME 16.04 LTS and then wait to upgrade when 18.04 comes out? The newer version of GNOME is appealing with a few of it's features but I don't know if the compatibility will be there.

>>59858803
>i just googled a random repo and made make run some scripts from it as root
>but the anon that calls on me for it is dumb, not me
>>59858827
That's the joke

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>>59858778
>be newfag
>follow compilation guide minus part that says sudo is important
>instructions say make install
>do it
>it doesn't work correctly
>needed sudo
>the devs assumed I knew this

>>59858907
>compilation guide says sudo is important
>compilation guide doesn't warn against unverified sources and to fucking check your trust web twice before sudoing anything new

That's how you turn curious noobs into rooted ms shills... or are you one yourself?

>>59858847
>i just googled a random repo and made make run some scripts from it as rootesn't even include make install. The last instruction is make.
No. That repo doesn't even include make install. The last instruction is make.

>>59858943
>>compilation guide doesn't warn against unverified sources and to fucking check your trust web twice before sudoing anything new
This is common sense homefry.

One infographic can't be everything, it's a good explanation of what compiling is.

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>>59858654

>>59858986
>That repo doesn't even include make install
Refer to your own disgusting guide
>This is common sense homefry.
Not for newfags who need infographics

Hello friends, I just built a new rig, I'm running ubuntu on a fresh ssd and have my old hdd with my windows partitions inside, the windows drivers are all broken as fuck though and without at least the network adapter drivers I can't go in and fix it from there

I have access to the file system, are there ways I can use this working linux install to go in and fix it?
I'll post screenshots if you want specifics but I'd just like to know what direction to look to fix it myself

nth for reversing audio

>>59859033
>Refer to your own disgusting guide
Look at it again.

>>59859033
>>This is common sense homefry.
>Not for newfags who need infographics
>Installing something you don't trust
>ever
Whatever dude. Fuck off. You don't even understand what you're looking at.

>>59859096
chroot
https://superuser.com/questions/111152/whats-the-proper-way-to-prepare-chroot-to-recover-a-broken-linux-installation

>>59859096
Wrong thread

>>59859135
thank you

>>59859137
I'm sorry

>>59859135
He's trying to fix Windows from Linux dude

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>>59859121

>>59859156
EPIC XD

Devuan is now 1.0 RC

>>59859152
Shit, I thought it was the other way around
>>59859096
You could try and mount the drive raw in a virtual machine and boot in safe mode

>>59859164
goto >>>/b/ ;

>>59859033
>That repo doesn't even include make install
>Refer to your own disgusting guide
>repo
>guide

see: https://github.com/libretro/RetroArch

I'm sorry I thought English was your first language and you seem to have trouble comprehending images. The image clearly shows the instructions from github and it clearly ends at make.

What's the difference between Fedora and OpenSUSE? Aside from release cycles they seem very similar.

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Installed Xubuntu 16.04 64bit on a ThinkPad X230 (Intel HD Graphics 4000) and I just stumbled upon a problem where the screen seems to glitch when playing video or scrolling on Firefox.

Just activated the proprietary graphics drivers on the Additional Drivers program/tool but the problem seems to persist. Didn't have this problem when I tested vanilla Ubuntu 16.04 a while ago.

Can anyone give me a heads up on what I should do to fix this? I'd greatly appreciate it.

>>59858724
I-Is this real? By installing gentoo have I become a desirable male commodity?

>>59859414
compton

Now that devuan is 1.0 RC, next will be the final release?

Should I be worried if my /efi/boot/ entry is called antergos_grub_h7sy instead of antergos_grub?

I'm using linux mint 18.1 cinammon on my laptop (gf gt630m/intel). I bought a monitor and I want to use dualscreen. The problem is that I cannot rotate external screen.
I've already added "Option "RandRRotation" "true"" to xorg, but it doesn't help.
any ideas?

>>59859414
Is installing compton from the official ubuntu repos the way to go or should I look for a ppa?

>>59858558
Why does almost every single linux distro have screen tearing when multiple open windows overlap? For example, having a video player or a windowed game open in front, and a file manager or a web browser window either fully or partially behind will cause screen tearing in the part where the 2 (or more) windows overlap.

I've been using Xfce for a long time and just switched to the compositor to compton. It was one package and dropping some stuff in two files and it insanely smooth now. Why isn't this default?

>>59859445
>>59859414
Hi. I'm >>59860167 I didn't see this before I posted. I just switched to compton and everything is really smooth now. I used https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php?title=Using_Compton_for_a_tear-free_experience_in_Xfce

it's probably the same process on Ubuntu but surely you can find a guide for Ubuntu specifically. Maybe this http://duncanlock.net/blog/2013/06/07/how-to-switch-to-compton-for-beautiful-tear-free-compositing-in-xfce/

>>59860032
>>59859414

Intel TearFree, look it up. Turn off the compositor (vsync) in the Xfce window manager options.

Ed is the standard text editor.

How do we fix the clusterfuck of code called Xorg? Why don't they get rid of ancient codes and update it someday?

>>59860107
GNU+Linux*

>>59860495
I use it often. ed is awesome. Try to edit a 2GB file without ed.

>>59860510
Comfy for scripting too. http://wiki.bash-hackers.org/howto/edit-ed

>>59860508
Linux*

>>59860500
Wayland is already in line to replace X everywhere

>>59860500
Xorg is just patches and hacks taped together. It's being replaced by wayland.

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>>59860607
it just werks

>>59860603
>>59860607
http://without-wayland.org/wiki/index.php/Arguments_against_wayland

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>>59860589
GNU+Linux*

>>59860638
Doesn't change the fact that everything is moving to it.

>>59860663
non-GNU/Linux*

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>>59860638
>it isn't real

>>59860678
>doesn't get the point

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>>59860690
No. I get it.

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>>59860672
GNU

>>59860705
Shit*

>>59860708
Linux*

>>59860708
How much of the software you run uses the GNU Public License? Fuck off.

>>59860719
GNU/Faggot*

>>59860719
top kek

>>59860738
RMS disapproves of the GPL v2, faggot.

>>59860719
hue

>>59860719
GNU operating system with Linux added as its kernel*

>>59860719
Oh so you use Hurd? Oh wait...

how to comile git mpv from source

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>trying t figure out how to restart compton
>https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Compton
>CTRL + F restart
>no results
This happens all of the time on the Arch Wiki. Even people on the Arch forums link to wiki pages where the answer is absent. Fuck you. It's not as great as you people say. It's an elitist meme. Honestly the Manjaro wiki is turning out to be superior.

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>>59860904
There are instructions on the Github. If it's not on the main page check for a README or similar. In this case it is at link related.
https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/blob/master/README.md#compilation

see >>59858676 to get a better idea of what compiling is and follow the instructions at the link.

>>59860933
kill -KILL compton; compton

>>59860663
what laptop is that?

What phone should a freetard get?

>>59860933
Just use kr.

$ kr() { ( p="${1:?}"; pkill "${p}" && "${p}" & ); }
$ kr compton

>>59859414
Had the same problem a year ago and I was to dumb to install+configure Compton properly so I went back to Ubuntu. I hope this gets an OOTB fix before 18.04.

Fresh Debian+Xfce install on a laptop, not much more experience with Linux than just knowing a tiny bit of the terminology and some basic core stuff(cron, screen, ssh, etc). My main computer is a well running Win7 install that I'm familiar with hotkeys on, have a workflow, have fixed any little flaws on(thumbnails for webms, etc), and play games on. Where do I start on making this work for me? I've heard Xfce is terrible for screen tearing, so that needs fixing, I need to get the latest Firefox and my add-ons(ESR is preinstalled), I want to remove some of the bloat that was preinstalled, gotta get the usual laptop bits setup(what to do on screen close, show battery percentage and how long I have left, if it should behave differently on battery vs plugged in), Steam, gotta either learn what the hotkeys are, or configure them to match my old ones, gotta get the layout right on my DE(taskbar on the side, system tray on the bottom, quick launch and start button on top), probably some other stuff. Can you guys point me in the right direction on anything and I can go from there?

>>59860345
Well, shit, just when I needed the /g/ archives the most they're down. Doing a search on Google for this is a mess.

>>59858676
Why don't all programs come with a configure script and you just do make install instead if it doesn't?? I thought ./configure was standard?

>>59861129
The world is full of code monkeys.

>>59860241
>>59860345
So this is a problem in general for all the distros that use xfce? What the fuck, how come this hasn't been fixed yet?

Is there a way to decrease the title bar size of programs on gnome?

>>59861166
Mmaybe declaring another dpi to Xorg

>>59861129

./configure
make
make install

is the most common in my experience. I have seen ./autogen.sh quite a bit though which automates it. It's just up to the developer.

>>59861149
Xfce devs don't give a shit about your modern use case. It works for them.

>>59861149
idk it's weird especially since it's such an easy fix and it's not like enabling compton adds bloat. It pulled no dependencies when I installed it, just the one package.

there's no reason to say linux

>>؜59861248
there's no reason for you to live

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>>59861200
>Xfce
>devs

>>59861129
>>59861193
Prepare for building

./configure

Build
make

Install

make install

If any of the configure options are pointing to out of home (like /usr /usr/local) you need to add sude to make install and 99% of the time you need to. Some devs use scripts to do everything or you can even get away with

./configure && make && make install

also. Personally I like to do it one step at a time. It really doesn't matter though.

>>59861361
I could swear I had code brackets around make oh well you know what I mean

I'm planning on building a PC soon. I'd like to use it as a way to teach myself a variety of /g/ related subjects: programming, networking, and GNU/Linux.

When shopping for hardware components, what is the best way to find out if an item will taint my freedom with proprietary firmware?

Also, is Debian a good distro choice for and inexperienced learner such as myself?

>>59861390
My experience is that code brackets are remove when one word only.


Here a test in code
test
does it work?

For what can I use SSH? I am messing with some new things but I can't gasp how I configure it.

>>59861430
Damn. Test with spaces.

  test  

>>59861453
use it as a remote for mpv when you watch anime

>>59861453
Best way to use vm.

>>59861022
A dumbphone.

I need some help lads

I booted up a live usb of ubuntu, because I have a usb drive that I cannot get into with any windows pc.

I ran: ls /dev/ | grep sd
And it printed: sdc(after I plugged in the unrecognizable usb)

Now when I try to mount this with:
sudo mount /dev/sdc /mnt
It gives me:
mount: /dev/sdc: can't read superblock

What am I supposed to do? I really need the data on this drive, don't want to format it.

>>59861582
>mount: /dev/sdc:
it wasn't sdc1?

>>59861453
if you have 2 computers, install x2x and try this

ssh -Y user@host x2x -to :0 -west

now you can move your mouse through the west edge of your screen onto the other computer's screen and also control the other computer with your keyboard
you can use east instead of west

>>59861453
>>59861596
also, you need to enable X forwarding in your sshd config for this to work

>>59861593
nope, it's not

>>59861623
RIP

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what are some good linux related subreddits?

>>59861657
/g/

Arch is just a stepping stone.

>>59861582
Isn't Ubuntu (and most distros) supposed to auto mount so you can just go into the file manager and click the drive? If that doesn't work it's corrupt. I don't think getting the data is likely. You might be able to format and write a new filesystem though. Google 'linux repair usb drive" or something.

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>>59861657
r/linuxmemes

Is there a way to hide and unhide the Unity launcher bar by pressing a key instead of having it annoyingly appear by hovering the mouse over a certain section of the screen when I didn't mean too?

>>59861687
hm thanks

I don't care about the drive, I only needed the contents. Anyway it seems like there's no way of getting it.

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What are some cool terminal commands?

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>>59858558
suh
I'm looking for good, simple-looking music visualizer (not build-in w/ music player)

>>59862202

exiftool -comment='Created with GIMP' ~/pictures/created/with/photoshop/*

>>59862325
cava

؜>>59862202

rm -rf /*

run it as root

>>59862343
Not sure if baiting with deleting files or baiting with running root when it isn't needed.
*triggered*
2/10

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>>59862343
pls go

So I'm trying to compile/install something and I go to the directory and then I do ./configure and I get "bash: No such file or directory"

>>59862202

optipng -o7 image.png

>>59862332
reporting it, cava not working

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Something in konsole is fucking up, and I don't know what it is. Has anyone else here had this problem, and has anyone solved it without just reinstalling linux?
Am I right in assuming it has something to do with qt?

>>59862461
wait never mind, fixed it. whatever the default font was was fucking up

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Hi,
For the last decade or so, I used Arch almost exclusively. Last month I decided to take a look at Manjaro. Now I don't think I will ever return to Arch. I spent some time to check all the packages installed and configurations made, but I am now quite comfortable.
As a long time Arch user, I can safely say that even if some people claim the opposite, Arch does break from time to time. Delaying the packages and checking the problems before pushing them really gives you a sense of safety that simply wasn't there before.

>>59862440
I'd recommend

optipng -strip all -o2 in.png

I made several test and I got the same results, o2 is enough IMHO (and much faster).

>>59862529
I always use -o7 because I'm an optimization freak

http://www.praj.com.au/post/23691181208/grep-replace-text-string-in-files

$ grep -r -l 'searchtext' . | sort | uniq | xargs perl -e "s/matchtext/replacetext/" -pi

What's the purpose of the dot before | ?

>>59862548
. in this context says "here in this directory".

>>59862559
if I wanted to give it an input file instead, what syntax should I use? I can't find anything about the input in --help.

Hi, I just got my hands on an acer swift 3. Installed ubuntu on it, but I cannot get grub to show up. Only way I can run GNU/Linux on it now is from my a USB, but I only have a 2GB drive so no persistance. Any ideas how I can fix this? Currently Ive got windows 10 installed on it, but I have no interest in windows so I wouldnt mind removing it, however I kinda still want it because if nothing else I can run GNU plus linux on a VM on it.

Any tips? My usual laptop is being repaired, so thats why Im stuck on this current one btw

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>>59862543
Reminder not to use this on doublevision pictures because it destroys the gamma magic.

>>59862590
You'd remove the -r and replace . with a filename

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>>59862603
works on my machine™

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Anyone else having this problem with the GNOME wifi icon being a question mark? Searching only nets a bunch of stuff about people having this in like 2013 with no solutions that work.

if $1 -eq 'start'; then

-eq: command not found

what am I doing wrong?

>>59858654
Source Mage

>>59862936

if [ "$1" = start ]; then

>>59862952
[: : integer expression expected

>>59862936
everything

'start' is a string, so you should use =
if/else needs braces [ ]
if you want to do it without, use test:
test 'a' = 'a' && echo works

>>59862986
You're still using -eq.

>>59862936

$ foo() { if [ "$1" = 'a' ]; then echo win; else echo fail; fi; }; foo a
win
$ foo() { if [ "$1" = 'a' ]; then echo win; else echo fail; fi; }; foo b
fail

>>59862991
>>59863016
Ah, I'd used if statements in bash without braces before. Completely glossed over the equals part.

I'll learn bash properly one day I promise! Thanks for the help.

>>59862599
no one here with any idea on how to make the winshit boot manager be little less autistic?

>>59863055
That actually isn't bash; it's stardard shell scripting (and works with #!/bin/sh). With bash you have more features like regex so a script can look like this:

$ foo() { if [[ "$1" =~ a|b ]]; then echo win; else echo fail; fi; }; foo a
win
$ foo() { if [[ "$1" =~ a|b ]]; then echo win; else echo fail; fi; }; foo b
win
$ foo() { if [[ "$1" =~ a|b ]]; then echo win; else echo fail; fi; }; foo c
fail

>>59862459
Did you read the documentation how to use it?

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What's the best file explorer? Suggest me something please, possibly with GUI

Is it possible to encrypt /boot?

I've been reading on so-called full disk encryption, but it seems trivial to me to replace the bootloader with something that would e.g. sniff my keys when I enter them.

Is there a good way to defend against this kind of attack? I've heard about putting your boot, and only that, on a USB stick you would always carry with you, but that's really inconvenient. Is there a way that doesn't require that?

>>59863244
/bin/sh

>>59863244
ls

>>59863150
[[
>absolutely-disgusting.mp4

>>59863244
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gentoo_%28file_manager%29

>>59863244
Don't forget to check out pcmanfm it's pretty good

>>59863254
You can encrypt the boot partition with GRUB2.

See https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Dm-crypt/Encrypting_an_entire_system#Encrypted_boot_partition_.28GRUB.29

>>59863244
Stop using graphical interfaces.

>>59863374
Ey nice, thanks!
But this made me realise, could an attacker plausibly fuck with my grub though? I'm assuming a grub password won't protect from that. BIOS passwords can almost always be circumvented. Is there a good way to protect against this?

>>59863414
As soon as they have physical access your system is counted as compirmised. There is no protection against everything. If you can start the system, someone else can, too.

Shit ton of ACPI errors when using distros with kerner 4.9+, which 4.8 distro should I install?

>>59863476
>which 4.8 distro should I install
kek

>>59863414
What distro are you using?

If you are using arch check out mkinitcpio-chkcryptoboot

Otherwise chkboot.

You can hash the boot partition and see if it has changed between reboots.

If either of these fail then you know your machine is owned and should wipe.

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Uninstalled infinality because it was breaking things and now my terminal looks like pic. Can I get a little pointer for how to fix?

>>59863429
Well yeah they can always modify the hardware (and e.g. install a keylogger), but in terms of software, there's no fundamental reason why you couldn't have a system which is practically and theoretically impossible to access without entering the correct passcode(s).

Off the top of my head: use a persistent storage module (so no power required - i.e. no "pop out CMOS battery" trick) on the mobo to store a BIOS password hash. BIOS decrypts GRUB (asking for a passkey, probably), checks it hasn't been tampered with, then loads that, and without entering the correct BIOS password you can't deviate from that (to e.g. boot from a different device). Without entering a Grub password, again the only thing you can do is boot into your distro - which requires entering a password to decrypt the bootloader.

With such a system, the owner can boot the OS easily by entering the correct password(s), and if they want to configure BIOS or boot from a different device (such as a USB stick) that is also just one password away. But an attacker with no knowledge of these passwords cannot use a pure-software attack to manipulate the system in any way, as far as I can see.

To attack that one would need to go the route of replacing the mobo with a malicious one, or replacing the persistent BIOS password hash storage (which might be harder than replacing the mobo), or just installing a keylogger in the keyboard.

The reason why one might realistically want to secure against software attacks but not hardware attacks is because your roommate can literally take 5 minutes and a $5 USB stick to execute an evil maid attack or something while you're taking a dump, but it's much harder to disassemble a laptop, seamlessly install malicious hardware, and put it back together during the 3 minutes until you get out of the toilet. Add some anti-tamper tape and now your laptop looks absolutely atrocious and any tamper job is that much more time to execute covertly.

>>59863619
Or he could place a hidden camera to record you typing the password.

>>59863511
That's actually fantastic, thanks anon.

To add onto >>59863619, if you spot hardware tampering, you will probably never even boot the machine; instead you'll do your best to restore it, most likely finding and removing any keyloggers and stuff, or even just sticking the hard drive in a different machine.

On the other hand, while one may be able to detect software attacks like the anon above suggested, these tools need to be run AFTER boot. Meaning whatever malicious bootloader/BIOS/whatever was loaded, could have sniffed your passwords, but also possibly tampered with your system after it was unlocked, meaning that now your entire system - including your data and the entire OS - can be considered compromised. Woops.

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>>59863669

>>59863546
What distro? This is for Arch but you should be able to read between the lines and apply it to something else.

-Creating an Infinality-like font configuration for Arch-

From a clean slate on Arch we can now create a similar font configuration to the infinality-bundle's without having to use the patched packages. It is now possible to easily get great-looking results with the default interpreter.

1. Create the following symlinks to instruct freetype2 to use good-looking rendering defaults

sudo ln -s /etc/fonts/conf.avail/11-lcdfilter-default.conf /etc/fonts/conf.d

sudo ln -s /etc/fonts/conf.avail/10-sub-pixel-rgb.conf /etc/fonts/conf.d

2. Modify (or create)

/etc/fonts/local.conf

to contain these contents: https://pastebin.com/rnDtdzt5

3. At this point your fonts should look pretty good and you may wish to stop here but you can improve them more by making sure that we have all fonts on the system that were defined as substitutions earlier. To do this install the packages

fonts-meta-extended-lt

and

fonts-meta-base

from the AUR which will build the rest of the fonts required.

After having done all this, restarting the X-server by logging out and back in should apply all changes.

-Screenshots-
Linux - Wikipedia: http://i.imgur.com/SM1gH6p.png
Github - http://i.imgur.com/P6ZFvJn.png
Arch website - http://i.imgur.com/NgXzDTA.png

>>59863694
To elaborate, yes I am aware of attacks such as van eck phreaking and other means of extracting information. I'm not aware of an easy way to perform these attacks, however. Anything like that also requires special equipment, preparation, etc.

Meanwhile, literally every basement neet can probably execute a software-based attack on a BIOS or a bootloader. I could spend a couple days researching more if I really wanted to, grab one of my random USB keys, and set out on a grand hacking adventure without every spending a penny or leaving my house (except possibly to reach my target).

>>59862923
Is it started automatically or are you starting it?
I'm guessing it's automatic since you didn't say what program it is

What was meant by the image in the OP?

>>59863776
It means OP is a hippie

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>>59863774
It's obviously network-manager-applet. Anyways I copied the bunk icon from /usr/share/icons/gnome/scalable/status/network-wireless-no-route-symbolic.svg and deleted it for now. So at the moment I just don't have an icon at all which isn't a big deal to me. I've considered copying the proper icon and placing it there with the filename of the no-route-symbolic icon but it's no big deal. I'll put it back together right after a future update and see if it's fixed.

>>59863546
Let me get this straight.

You're using a bitmap font rendered with a library used to display anti-aliased fonts (xft) but you turned on antialiasing.

why

>>59864025
>turned on antialiasing.
off*

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>>59864025
>>59864038
so if I don't want xft, what should I be using? It used to look like pic with those settings.

>>59864062

URxvt.font : xft:Terminus:size=9

xrdb ~/.Xresources

and report back

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Was this good idea to add IntelGPUDetection fucntion and Root: line into screenfetch?

>>59864093
>screenfetch
anything done to it is entirely pointless
it's useless circlejerk script

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>>59864089

>>59864124
What is useful?

>>59860510
>2 GB file
mother of mercy, how the hell does that happen?

>>59864133
Do you even have the font installed? Cause it's definitely not Terminus.

Also spacing between fonts is fixed by

URxvt.letterSpace : -1

>>59864167
Java Enterprise!

>>59863397
What about when I'm browsing my porn and need video/image thumbnails

>>59863546
>>>598633

Install Wayland and st - simple terminal

>>59864185
I'm very confused
>community/terminus-font 4.40-3 [installed]
>aur/terminess-powerline-font-git r100.a44abd0-3 [installed: r159.a711e7b-1] (16) (0.99)

>>59863244
Dolphin

[ 0.876565] ACPI Error: [DSSP] Namespace lookup failure, AE_NOT_FOUND (20160930/psargs-359)

[ 0.876607] ACPI Error: Method parse/execution failed [_SB.PCI0.SAT0.SPT4._GTF] (Node ffff9443d60d8f28), AE_NOT_FOUND (20160930/psparse-543)

[ 0.877092] ACPI Error: [DSSP] Namespace lookup failure, AE_NOT_FOUND (20160930/psargs-359)

[ 0.877133] ACPI Error: Method parse/execution failed [_SB.PCI0.SAT0.SPT4._GTF] (Node ffff9443d60d8f28), AE_NOT_FOUND (20160930/psparse-543)

I get these with every kernel 4.9+, yes, I did update my Bios.

>>59864133

Hey URXVT-cock!
Install terminus font.
make sure that it ebanbled

>>59864309
I think it's enabled

$ fc-list | grep Terminus
/usr/share/fonts/misc/ter-122n.pcf.gz: xos4 Terminus:style=Regular
/usr/share/fonts/misc/ter-132n.pcf.gz: xos4 Terminus:style=Regular
... (too long for comment)
/usr/share/fonts/misc/ter-112n.pcf.gz: xos4 Terminus:style=Regular

>Running Steam on devuan 1 64-bit
>STEAM_RUNTIME is enabled automatically
>[2017-04-13 01:01:00] Startup - updater built Mar 22 2017 23:44:00
>SteamUpdateUI: An X Error occurred
>X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)

What's happening here? It's supposedly something with either the graphics drivers or libstdc++. Graphics drivers are standard Intel HD Graphics, libstdc++ is latest version. I've reinstalled steam --purge. Does it have to do with devuan stable having old as shit software?

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>>59862202

/usr/lib/xscreensaver/apple2 -text -fast -program /bin/bash

>>59864350
Steam is an irritating cunt to get working on anything it wasn't built for. Try export STEAM_RUNTIME=0

>>59864350
Running steam in verbose mode like
https://askubuntu.com/questions/614422/problem-with-installing-steam-on-ubuntu-15-04/614458#614458
doesn't do anything different, so I don't think it's the same problem

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>>59860510
>Try to edit a 2GB file without ed.
While I cannot fathom why would anyone have to do this on a regular basis I tried to edit a large file in Emacs.

I had to limit myself to roughly 1GB due to RAM limitations (it started swapping heavily with a 2GB file on a machine equipped with 2GB of RAM) but I'm able to do it while htop still reports ~600MB of memory being free with Firefox running.

>>59864410
>2GB
I'd just use sed.

>>59864434
read my post again, I clearly said I don't think anyone uses a text editor for manipulation of such files. There are text processing tools for that.

So, I've been using i3wm for a week or two now, and I love tiling in concept, but I've found that manually arranging the trees is really tiresome and unintuitive, really.
There's a lot I like about i3wm, like its ability to automatically make some windows floating (great for dialogs), but dislike things like those same floating dialogs not being tied to their parent window (by default at least), so they get hidden when I switch to a different window tree. Searching for windows is also a pain, and I'm not a huge fan of dmenu over krunner which I used previously. Also, it doesn't seem to gel well with my media key modifier, and since I can't even seem to make xev register when my media key modifier is pressed, I'm not sure I could configure that properly.

Xmonad seems to address my main gripe, the searching for windows and such, but is it actually good at doing that or is it just an ad blurb? I haven't gotten into ricing yet, but I probably will at some point, so can Xmonad look good? (minor point, really)
Really, my main concern with Xmonad is that I'm not a programmer, and I don't know Haskell. i3 is really, really easy to configure, but learning Haskell would be daunting when I'm already looking at learning Emacs Lisp for Emacs and Python for data analysis and physics-math stuff

I'm thinking of looking into bspwm, but at this point I'm not even sure what I'd really like. If it helps, I'm a pleb who loves spacemacs for helm, avy, and ace, and would like something similar for a wm (though I'm not quite autistic enough to use exwm)

>>59864387
You are missing the following 32-bit libraries, and Steam may not run:
libXtst.so.6
libXrandr.so.2
libgobject-2.0.so.0
libglib-2.0.so.0
libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0
libpulse.so.0
libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0

Do I just install them?

>>59864475
Try it. And you may need the 32-bit libraries.

>it may still fuck up after all this

>>59864472
tl;dr

>>59864350
>Running Steam
Enjoy ur DRM.

>>59861129
ideally they would. but sometimes, way too often the dev just derps and throws the code without it

>>59864519
>implying I pay for my games
topkek
>>59864484
This seems like it works, installed one and it stopped complaining about that one.

Why the fuck isn't every package in a chroot? It wouldn't even be that hard to implement, just bind-mount all the dependencies into their dependee's chroot folders (all the way down to the root file system)

>>59864350
>devuan
>nonfree software
why

>>59864614
systemd, would run ubuntu otherwise (this is on my laptop, desktop runs arch)

>>59864472
I'm not sure I understand what you're talking about with the dialogues. Do you not have something like:
>for_window [window_role="pop-up"] floating enable
in your i3 config?

Also for the media keys you can definitely get them to work. You just use "bindcode" in the i3 config but I forgot how to figure out which values to use (my volume keys are 121, 122, and 123 if that helps)
but it's also possible to use "bindsym" and see if they work with things like
XF86AudioRaiseVolume, XF86AudioLowerVolume, and XF86AudioMute

>>59864656
I do not have that line in my config. Oddly enough, certain floating windows work fine, others don't (DownThemAll for Firefox for instance does not, though I know I could just set it manually)

The real issue with floating windows for me, however, is that when e.g. Firefox opens a floating window, and I switch to a different window on the same screen, the floating window remains in front of the new window, rather than staying with its parent window, which is odd to me. If I wanted to keep them separate, I'd do so manually.
I'm not sure what I'd write in config to make this possible, unlike the issue of making specific windows always be floating

As for the media keys, yeah I could probably fix it. I should probably not have mentioned it, since it does seem possible to change the keycode values or whatever

Would anyone mind giving me a quick rundown on how to use grep? The extent of my knowledge is piping it like "lspci | grep "Intel"" and that isn't case insensitive.

>>59858676
whenever I try to compile things manually I always get errors and the README never helps
thank god for the AUR

>>59864850
>. means same as ? in windows
>[Aa]aron will match Aaron and aaron
>[a-z] will match anything from a to z
>[A-Z] will match anything from A to Z
>[A-Za-z] ... well, you get the picture
>-i means case insensitive
>-e pattern1 -e pattern2 will match both
>add -P for perl regular expressions with which you can do
>.+ -- match . one or more times
>.? -- match . zero or more times
also . can be replaced with for instance any word

Redpill me on nftables.

Is it worth replacing iptables with it yet?

>>59864651
You're more retared when I thought, lol.

>>59864850
See man 7 regex and man 1 grep for details on how to fully use grep.

>>59864384
neat

>>59864850
https://github.com/learnbyexample/Command-line-text-processing/blob/master/gnu_grep.md

>>59864651
what's wrong with systemd?

What the fuck is wrong with steam, seriously? What the fuck were they smoking when they ported it?
>install the libraries like they want
>can log in just fine, check credentials and verify 2fa
>log in
>Network error
What the fuck? I apparently have internet and it can apparently connect to it.
>>59864927
What do you suggest I do? Install gentoo on a laptop?
>>59864961
Fucking disgusting to deal with and I don't trust it

>>59864961
botnet

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question from a penabled tablet-pc

is there a way to have independent cursors for touchscreen and pen? like on windows where the fingertouch doesnt no work the same as the mouse and the pen shows a small cursor instead of the arrow

>>59864972
>doesn't trust free software
>trusts nonfree software
what kind of meme logic is this?
do you have any mental problems?

Why did xfree86 get replaced by X.org?

>>59864991
>systemd botnet meme
>no mental problems
pick one :^)

>>59864991
>implying I let steam run with pid 0

>>59864991
It's best of both worlds logic. He enjoys being a cool hipster who doesn't use systemd and he enjoys playing games.

>>59865005
A single search query in your preferred search engine would give you the answer

Building a ryzen pc for gnu Linux, is there any hardware I should avoid? I'm probably avoiding nvidia because they hate freedom, but am not sure what amd GPU to get for good performance with free drivers. Should I wait for Vega?

>>59865046
meme logic

>>59865047
why posting nonsense instead of knowledge?

So I'm looking to finally switch to Linux. I came to the conclusion that Debian is best for my needs but then I heard about the Debian based deepin. Is deepin any good? or should I just stick with Debian

>>59865093
I'd just stick with Debian. It's easy to make it look nice yourself.

>>59865069
The best advice I can give you is to actually wait a bit for the market of ryzen peripherals to saturate and for manufacturers to figure out what works and what doesn't.

Right now both cpu and gpu support is undergoing large changes and you might get fucked in the future.

Both AMD and Nvidia hate freedom and nothing says it's going to change in the future.
check compatibility lists for AMDGPUPRO drivers.

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>>59865093
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>59865086
Spoonfeeding makes you dumber.

>>59865125
Even the most retarded retard knows how to use a search engine. I think when people ask a question in this thread, they expect answers from /g/, not from some random blog found on the interwebs.

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>>59865136
And where the fuck do you think the mythical creature you referred to as "/g/" takes their knowledge from you dumb cunt?

I swear this board gets more retarded every day

>>59865111
How does AMD hate freedom? Sure there's the hardware botnet, but Intel already has it (plus the CIA probably mandates it). Nvidia cards with nouveau are basically unusable for anything beyond rendering a desktop. At least amdgpu and radeon are usable with some cards. I'll wait though, thanks.

>>59865157
So theres basically no reason for this thread, since we could just search the web for opinions on GNU/Linux?

>>59865180
Absolutely correct my friend.
Now shoo

>>59865189
Then why even posting here? Wouldn't you be better off browsing other threads?

>>59865069
Ironically enough, if you really care about freedom you should buy old NVIDIA GPUs. AMD does not have free driver firmware for any GPU.

>Partition a HDD
>Luks encrypt it
>Create logical partition mount
>Now i cant write on it unless i run file manager on root mode

Help me, whenever i try to change ownership with chowd the motherfucker wont get it, if i try with GUI the shit file explorer (dolphin) hangs up whenever i float my cursor above the mounting file.

>>59865196
Are you retarded?
I already told you to get the fuck out.
Why are you so clingy?

>>59865168
>How does AMD hate freedom?
>Sure there's the hardware botnet,
You answered yourself anon.

openradeon drivers were and are developed by a community of users not by AMD and they exist because the proprietary catalyst drivers always sucked fucking dick.

amdgpupro drivers are not fully "free" because in order to enable all the features of the videocard (like fucking 3d acceleration) you will still be forced to use a proprietary extension to the "free and open" base drivers.
So it's AMD figuring out how to jew you into installing their proprietary shitware and not make it break with every update like the drivers they provided for the last decade or so.


There were rumours that AMD might allow for disabling for their botnet management engine (PSP or whatever it was called) in their newest cpus/chipsets. Just shills talking out of their ass.

>>59859462
No,it could go to RC 2 or even RC 10 depending on what happens

>>59865168
>nouveau
Yes, it is shit
>nvidia
No, its not shit, and works flawlessly even on old cards and the latest 10XX's

>>59864883
Do you understand how to navigate your filesystem in bash?

>>59863546
here is my font section. don't invoke xft if you don't mean it

URxvt.font:                     -*-tamzen-medium-*-*-*-16-*-*-*-*-*-*-*,\
                                -*-terminus-medium-*-*-*-16-*-*-*-*-*-*-*,\
                                -*-unifont-*-*-*-*-16-*-*-*-*-*-*-*,\
                                xft:Inconsolata:size=11

>>59865424
also, i prefer to set xft options directly instead of on a per-font basis

Xft.antialias: true
Xft.autohint:  false
Xft.dpi:       96.0
Xft.hinting:   true
Xft.hintstyle: hintslight
Xft.lcdfilter: lcddefault
Xft.rgba:      rgb

you should also add redundant declarations to .config/fontconfig

I need something new to toy with.

>>59865168
>>59865276
And while the community of desktop Linux users has nothing to lose from AMD's attempts warm up to linux and make their support for better, to call them "freedom loving" is a massive stretch.


Let's be honest, properly working, well performing proprietary drivers are better than no drivers at all.
And the direction AMD went (a base driver that allows you to install the system and add proprietary extensions) is superior to installing proprietary nvidia drivers on a janky-at-best noveau drivers.

>>59865487
get a dildo and toy with your prostate

>>59865504
Correction.
I need new software to play with

>>59865509
gtk+ version 3.22 is the last major release of gtk+3.

try to make a patch that will let you display miniatures in the filepicker similar to ahodesuka's gtk2 patch

>>59865424
thanks, specifying like this make smore sense for this.

>>59865069
>>59865168
>I'll wait though, thanks.
If you're wondering how much time you should wait I'd advise you to follow the releases of Ubuntu LTS.
The next one will be 18.xx, so when it's released just check what kernel version it ships with and what kind of hardware it supports properly, and purchase accordingly

>>59865527
yeah, fix something Gnome idiots havent been able to fix for decades

>>59865597
>havent been able
That's wrong. There's a difference between ineptitude and unwillingness to do so.

Miniatures in the filepicker is a feature that only a very limited amount of people need.
Tell me, who else other than a drooling imageboard user with billions of anime and reddit frog pictured with cryptic names dumped into a single directory would need such a feature?

I doubt even someone working in the photography business (as if someone doing professional photo work would use linux lol) would recongise this as an absolute must-have

>>59865630
>Tell me, who else other than a drooling imageboard user with billions of anime and reddit frog pictured with cryptic names dumped into a single directory would need such a feature?

normies using facebook to upload photos. and facebook users are millions

>>59865665
>and facebook users are millions
And 99% of them upload pictures from their phones

Plus, the already existing preview of images in the filepicker is absolutely sufficient to upload 2-3 photos everyday.
You know when you took the picture you want to upload and it's incredibly easy to narrow the pool of images in a single directory if you have timestamps in the filenames.

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>>59865711
>You know when you took the picture you want to upload and it's incredibly easy to narrow the pool of images in a single directory if you have timestamps in the filenames.

not exactly that easy, not when you have a SD card full of pictures. not having thumbnails makes the process tedious.

>And 99% of them upload pictures from their phones

you got me there. good point and well made, i give you that.

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>>59858666
CHECKED

What do you think about this rule:
>if the script is longer than $ awk --copyleft | wc -l, use GPLv3, else use public domain (WTFPL, CC0, etc)

>>59865762
GPL or gtfo. I dont want to see my shit proprietary, not even one line of code.

>>59865789
brb, gpl'ing my PS1

>>59865789
You are what is wrong with the industry.

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>>59865762

$ awk --copyleft | wc -c
666

Anyone have a dell xps 15 9560? How is the battery life in Linux? Is it possible to easily disable the nvidia GPU?

>>59865851
battery will be always worse than on windows, thats like a rule, if the meme gayming laptop features nvidia optimus then a conditional yes applies as bumblebee is not that stable

>>59865843
>>59865762
awk --copyleft doesn't work for me.

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>>59865840
We must recognise that companies developing non-free software that works with GNU/Linux are not contributing to the system or to our community. Instead, they are trying to distract people and lead them away from freedom. Their 'investment' is like building a factory designed to pollute the air. It does harm, not good, to our community.

>>59865851
Yes.

blacklist nvidia

Use powertop

>>59865896
tried --copyright? both lead to the same output
what system are you using?

>tfw stallman is 64 years old
who will lead us when he passes away?

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Does anyone know if it's possible to cut some white space and bring the pages closer in zathura?
There's too much space in the middle.

>>59865941
No one,and nothing of value will be lost.

>>59865946
Its called a page bro...
rethink what you just asked

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>>59865941
We, ourselves.

>>59865981
I want to have two pages displayed at a time, but it'd be nice if the text from each would be closer.

>>59865998
>I want to have two pages
You have two pages, the pdf is formatted on a per page basis.

Working as intended

>>59864384
NICE

>>59866006
I know I have two pages, I'd just like to know if it's possible to somehow cut the white space from the middle.

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>>59858558
why you think property is theft?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWoxUvWHtB4
>more like scare tactics

its not possible.

>>59866024
My god you're fucking dense.
It wouldnt be a book then would it?
Perhaps you are better suited using a single page display with this austism

>>59865913
awk --copyright works.

I'm using gawk on Arch.

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>>59865995
>Skype: no way! that's nonfree software
>use ekiga or an ordinary phone call
>ordinary phone call

did he know that landline calls are routed by machines with propietary firmwares?

or that his land phone has unaudited and closed firmware?

lulz

>>59866040
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Closed

>>59866047
does not having money to buy a fucking larousse dictionary counts as "nonfree"?

>>59866035
But I don't wanna use a single page display.
I just want to comfortably view two pages at a time with reasonable font size on my screen.

>>59858558
COPYRIGHTS are RELIGION your message IS OPEN BRAINWASHING PROPOGANDA

>>59864832
Oh I see what you mean. I don' think the i3 devs care much for floating window functionality. They basically just added it for the occasional dialogue box pop-up and that's it.

>>59866086
Copyright was created to benefit the people. Today its purpose doesn't benefit people anymore, instead it's restricting people, which makes copright theft (of peoples freedoms). Furthermore it teaches people to be a bad citizen that doesn't help his neighbour.

Why the fuck is the zathura documentation so bad?
I've read the man page, I've gone through their site, nowhere does it mention what the command `offset` does and what kind of arguments it accepts.

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>>59866086
Laws that oppress people have no moral authority.

ffffffffff i hate niggers

>>59866156
property is a law that you find oppressive. its natural law. i also have a area around me taht i dont want you to be in. we can discuss wether or not i can victoriously defend this when ever. but if you dont feel, like giving anyone else any resepect, you dont deserve none. and might just end up like worm food cause thats anotehr.. right i bleive i have is to have fertilizing for my garden. so want to have conversation?

>>59865423
I'm not a programmer I don't understand what some make error means

>>59866186
RE
kind of a personal space. 2 feet around me. if yoru in it you better better be, shit i dotn know or in a fight with me one.

>>59858558
another thing too, if you dont believe in property i dont know how you can even code.

>>59866216
>code
isn't that the stuff thats inside apps?

>>59866222
>>apps
inside phones??

>>59866216
When I write a program which is really cool, I want to share it with as much people as possible, because it makes me happy to get "good job" responses.

>>59866265
>not being happy about other people being happy too

>>59866282
Well, that's implied. I don't get responses when people aren't happy.

>>59866265
this is so funny right, and the subject of the topic is abou9t linux, AHAHAH the Free os.

fuck linux i guess should post this on their forums

Gnew thread: >>59866303, GIMP shill edition.

>>59866265
oh i thought about what yo where thinking and you mean the isp follows yuou around going good boy good job and yuou go ooh yea bark bark

and wag yur tail and walk off as they OWNED everything you've done, cause your done with mya rguemnt about the OP, and my original comment and moved on to better SCARE tactics.. thinking like that means, shit.

let me carry on

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWoxUvWHtB4

this is what your referring to, right. so i already said its not possible, i dont understand.

>>59866076
And you are currently achieving all of your requirements

>>59866329
Plz go to sleep. You're too drunk for posting on the interwebs.

>>59866351
I'm looking into a way to crop the pdf.

>>59866265
YOU GUYS ARE BUILDING A CULT OVER ANYTHING THAT PEOPLE WOULD THINK WOULD BE SHARING INSTEAD ATTEMPTING TO TWIST IT INTO SOME FUCKIGN SICK FUCKIGN ISP https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWoxUvWHtB4
OWNING
>>59866329
ANOTHER STUPID ASS LINUX THREAD, BANGING THE DRUMS OF FREE SOFTWARE AS LONG AS THESE PEOPLE ARE PART OF SOME GANG OR MOB FIRST, A MOB. AND THEY ALL AGREE TO GETG PEOPLE TRAPPED BY LURING THEM WITH "THEIR" FREE SOFTWARES. THEN THEY ENTRAP THEM IN SOME TYPE OF CULT STATUS ON THEIR BELIEFS OF PROPERTY AND THEN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWoxUvWHtB4

EAT DICKS I HATE YOU FUCKERS YURO FAKE YU DO THIS ALL THE TIME. EAT SHIT GO TO HELL

THREAD IS CIA PLANT SHIT

>>59866121
Maybe in communist land where you live

>>59866361
AND..

SO WAS THE ENTIRE LINUX OS

FUCK LINUX >>59866265
LIKE FUCK YOU

THIS VIDEO EXPLAINS COPYRIGHT CULT RELIGION
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWoxUvWHtB4

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>>59858558
YOUR TOPIC IS SO FULL OF SHIT

YOU WILL NOT RESPOND TO ME YOU LOSE

>>59866366
Just swallow this ultimative repill on copyright: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eginMQBWII4

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>>59866361
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>>59866390

>suddenly all these shitposters itt
what happened?

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Remember when /fglt/ was actually friendly?

>>59866424
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>>59866390
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>>59866407
I have no interest in what a pedophile parrot raper has to say.He is off his rocket and not mentally sane(but you refuse to post those videos now dont you?)

>>59866467
i dont care about none of that stuff but, the Original Poster thinks that property is theft, i think you cant code, if yu dont know what property is,

so i dont care and dont want ot hear waht these communists have to say. their full of shit.

>>59866467
You will never be able to enjoy your own truth without checking out all sides of the box.

>>59866121
>it teaches people to be a
its only by design.. or something.

>have server running linux
>said server has windows ISO's
>have another server I want to install windows server 2016 on
>don't want to burn a dvd or a usb drive
how do I do this?

>>59858558

i see no problem with ownership and an anonymous internet. build on anonimty and privacy.. your compolete 180 this and agenda driven

i can see your real agenda and your real thing here is to distract from real news.

The real agenda is youo think isps own searches

i dont think so,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWoxUvWHtB4

this explains.

i also think
>>59866390
>>59866377
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>>59866486
Hitler
Stalin
Mao

>>59866519
daemons tools maybe over a network drive?
virtual clonecd drive

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>>59866519
>don't wanna do something that would have finished by the time you typed this post

friendly reminder that the GPL is communism

>>59866156
>>59866186
>>59866528
Why the fuck are you guys talking about property ownership as if it has anything at all to do with free software?

It's like this guy said >>59866186 it's natural law.

Software ownership is not natural because despite how hard everyone wants to push software as a physical entity it is literally nothing more than INFORMATION. It's not a physical product.
Software ownership falls more under that family of things as "owning an idea", "owning a song", "owning a word".

On the other hand, owning physical objects and land are in an entirely different ballpark.