/fglt/ - Friendly GNU/Linux Thread

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>>59866303
Why doesn't Linus rewrite Linux in Java?

>>59866348
It's shite.

new ubuntu coming
will it break if i dont do a fresh install?

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>>59866365
That's your opinion. Java is the lanugage of /g/.

>>59866384
There is only one language for men to program and it's called C.

>>59866447
Oh, looks like /g/ disagrees with you. >>59866348
C's vocal minority should be removed from this board.

>>59866373
>ubuntu is dropping unity
probably

>>59866447
>and it's called C
>Cock
ITS THE FOOKING PAY-TREE-ARR-KEEEEEEE!!!!!!!

>>59866348
>11 votes

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can someone explain (retard friendly) what the fuss about systemd is all about? is it really a nsa botnet? if so, how can I disabled/remove systemd? I'm using arch linux, if it matters

>>59866496
im already using ubuntu gnome 16.10
whats going to happen to me

>>59866515
https://www.strawpoll.me/12732251/r
You can take a look at final results.

>>59866526
its in a man's blood to fight.

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>>59866200
>>>Do you understand how to navigate your file system in bash?
>I'm not a programmer I don't understand what some make error means
I guess not. Understanding how to change directory and a few other simple commands is helpful. Understanding cd and ls is a good start.

>>59866526
Very real disadvantages of systemd:

1. systemd is tied to a specific kernel and a specific libc and specific device manager and specific journaling daemon, basically, having systemd means you're locked in to a whole lot of other things.
2. systemd is renowned for locking up during startup and boot when you have network filesystems.
3. systemd hardcodes quite a lot of the booting and shutdown process in C which other systems place in easily editable scripts.
4. systemd in practice requires quite a lot of things: ACLs, PAM, dbus, polkit, these are not hard requirements but without this the above advantages are lost so all distributions enable them at compile time.
5. logind starting to do retarded shit like user sessions and having retarded power management, in theory you can disable logind, but no distribution again does this.
6. systemd is very monolithic and comes in one configuration compared to being able to piece your system together yourself.
7. systemd appropriates the cgroup tree and takes control of it and completely messes with any other user of the cgroup tree and really wants them all to go through systemd, systemd was wirtten basically on the assumption that nothing but systemd would be using cgroups and they even tried to lobby to make cgroups a private prioperty of systemd in the kernel but that went no-where.
8. systemd's usage of cgroups for process tracking is a fundamentally broken concept, cgroups were never meant for this and it's a good way to fuck resource usage up.
9. systemd has a hard dependency on glibc for really no good reason.
10. systemd relies on DBus for IPC, as the name 'Desktop bus' implies DBus was never written with this in mind and it shows. DBus was written to facilitate IPC within a single desktop session, not as a transport during early boot. This is why systemd wanted to push kdbus heavily beause kdbus solved some of the problems inherent to DBus being used as IPC during early boot.

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>>59866526
>>59866551
Since systemd was first proposed it has been frequently discussed in many forums, mailing lists and conferences. In these discussions one can often hear certain myths about systemd, that are repeated over and over again, but certainly don't gain any truth by constant repetition. Let's take the time to debunk a few of them:

Myth: systemd is monolithic.

If you build systemd with all configuration options enabled you will build 69 individual binaries. These binaries all serve different tasks, and are neatly separated. Many of these binaries are separated out so nicely, that they are very useful outside of systemd. A package involving 69 individual binaries can hardly be called monolithic.

Myth: systemd is not UNIX.

There's certainly some truth in that. systemd's sources do not contain a single line of code originating from original UNIX. However it derives inspiration from UNIX. In fact the design of systemd as a suite of integrated tools that each have their individual purposes but when used together are more than just the sum of the parts, that's pretty much at the core of UNIX philosophy.

Myth: systemd is bloated.

Well, bloated certainly has many different definitions. But in most definitions, systemd is probably the opposite of bloat. Since systemd components share a common code base, they tend to share much more code for common code paths. Here's an example: in a traditional Linux setup, sysvinit, start-stop-daemon, inetd, cron, dbus, all implemented its own scheme to execute processes with various configuration options in a certain, hopefully clean environment. On systemd the code paths for all of this, for the configuration parsing, as well as the actual execution is shared. This means less code, less place for mistakes, less memory and cache pressure. systemd is also pretty modular. You can choose at build time which components you need, and which you don't need. People can hence specifically choose the level of "bloat" they want.

>>59866526
>>59866551
11. systemd's security and general code quality practices are less than stellar, a lot of security bugs pop up in systemd due to its insistence of putting quite a bit of code in pid1 and quickly adding new features and quickly changing things.
13. systemd creates dependencies and is a dependency of things for political reasons in order to encourage people to pick these things. This is not conjecture, Lennart has admitted multiple times that he creates dependencies to 'gently push' everyone to the same configuration
14. systemd is monolithic for its own sake. It's basically product tying to encourage people to pick an all-or-none deal to again gently push towards this consistency.
15. Lennart Poettering, the face of systemd and its lead dev is the biggest primadonna FOSS has ever known who continues to shift blame and demand that entire world adapt to his designs.

>>59866565
http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Arguments_against_systemd
Check out those links and how it was handled

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>>59866539
Of course people vote for what they're most familiar with and there are more people who don't know more advanced languages.

>>59866551
Make something better.

What's that?

You can't?

Oh OK. Get out of here.

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>>59866580
>>59866526
>>59866551
>>59866569
>>59866565
We can all agree that hating systemd is a meme.

Most people hear it's bad and so they propagate the idea, and blow it out of proportion without much research, consideration or thought.
When systemd first appeared, it was quickly adopted because not many people had qualms about it.
Those who did (and those were few) had their own reasons and thoughts (they didn't get meme'd into hating it) and moved onto other init systems.
Most of them were reasonable enough not to start a fucking civil war because of them, because even they knew that systemd is a natural step forward in general.

If systemd was as hated as it is now, it would never have been so widely adopted.

>So, how did this meme really come about?
Well, I'll tell you.

systemd is the most advanced init system in existence.
It's better than Apple's launchd and better than whatever Microsoft has.
It's arguably one of the best things that happened to GNU since Linux.
The jews know this, so they spawned a fake controversy around it in order to divide the community, sabotage the project and keep GNU/Linux from advancing as an operating system and gaining more market share.
Just think about it:
>Linux - the most advanced kernel in existence
>systemd - the most advanced init and service manager in existence
>free as in both freedom and beer
And now with Steam OS, Chrome OS and both Wayland and Vulkan maturing, it's only a matter of time before GNU/Linux becomes truly mainstream and takes over the gaming market.
But they were a bit late to notice this before the wide adoption of systemd.

That's how, even though it seemed like a natural step forward in the evolution of GNU/Linux back then, systemd is the most controversial topic in the FOSS world right now.

>TL;DR
Hating systemd is an artificial meme brought about via CIA's advanced meme warfare techniques in order to prevent the year of the GNU/Linux desktop.
http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a507172.pdf

>>59866526
systemd is developed by red hat, a company that developed programs with the nsa before (see selinux)
the nsa is all about data collection, control and backdoors (see prism)
systemd is an init program with root privileges, which means it hat full control over your system
would you give a guy whos best friend is well known for dropping backdoors into literally every single piece of software full access to your system?

>>59866604
>>59866569
>>59866565
>>59866551


First off, systemd is not an init system, it has an init system as part of the systemd suite. systemd is a project to build a standardised lowlevel userland for Linux. The project is pretty comprehensive and it delivers a lot of functionality under one umbrella. It does away with a lot of older, often undermaintained software packages, which were traditionally used to assemble a low level userland.

Which is where the contention comes from, as a system suite systemd is restrictive for Unix virtuosi who are used to tailor a system with wit, ingenuity, a lick and a prayer and a couple dozen of unrelated packages. systemd makes such knowledge useless.

The faction that thinks that systemd is Linux's Hiroshima, finds all the added functionality bloat, unnecessary and dangerous, as it is all under development in one project.

All the systemd jokes stem from the comprehensiveness as a low level system suite. People against it love to joke that one day systemd will write its own kernel.

There is a lot of FUD and hate going around. Some arguments do have merit, a lot of eggs in one basket is certainly true, but as with all things in life, it depends which tradeoff you prefer. Do you want a suite of well designed software, working closely together, so that system management is streamlined or do you want the complete freedom to tailor your own low level system with a lot of time tested, interchangeable components.

I have no desire to be a low level system designer, so I prefer systemd. I don't hate traditional init systems though. If a Linux system has one and I need to work with it, I'm still happy it boots and starts the necessary services.

>>59866590
Im happily using openrc,i have also removed gnu from my system with musl.

What's that?

You can't handle the reality that no one needs systemd or gnu in this year of 2017?

Oh ok, keep feeding potterrings insanity

>>59866604
Fuck I'm so tired of this shit. You are either incredibly ignorant or an incredibly persistent troll. And there are so many of you. Congratulations, I'm giving up.

>>59866588
>java
>not advanced
>>this is what C's vocal minority actually believe

>>59866603
>it was quickly adopted
It was quickly adopted as a fucking init replacement, not a monolithic cluster fuck of code, that forces other programs to dep on systemd(https://github.com/tmux/tmux/issues/428)

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>>59866526
>>59866565
>>59866617
>>59866617
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>59866625
I can handle musl. I use Alpine for some stuff at work, which as you must know, uses musl. The problem is you think systemd is just an init system. It's much more than that and the features are *why* people are using it now instead. Openrc and sysv init is like being stuck in the last century.

>>59866659
Finally a non-brainlet post.

>>59866625
Also, have you heard of FreeBSD? Or it's countless cousins. I bet you honestly think you are the first person to not use GNU.

>>59866674
>alpine/musl autist
>not a brainlet
pick one

>>59866617
>>59866659
Systemd started as an init replacement program.

Since then it has usurped the rest of the system.
It is an unchecked cancer wrecking havor

>>59866680
You freetards cant handle it when someone dosent use systemd and/or gnu.

>>59866659
>>59866674
samefag

Everyone not using GNU/Linux please leave now and create your own autistic thread. Thanks.

>>59866689
Your definition of cancer differs from mine. Systemd is helping GNU/Linux stay relevant, and that's what pisses you off.

Also, I couldn't care less what other people use because I'm not some pretentious religious zealot out to convince people to use what I use. Use whatever the fuck you want. I use what works for me.

>>59866710
No, Richard, it's 'Linux', not 'GNU/Linux'. The most important contributions that the FSF made to Linux were the creation of the GPL and the GCC compiler. Those are fine and inspired products. GCC is a monumental achievement and has earned you, RMS, and the Free Software Foundation countless kudos and much appreciation.

Following are some reasons for you to mull over, including some already answered in your FAQ.

One guy, Linus Torvalds, used GCC to make his operating system (yes, Linux is an OS -- more on this later). He named it 'Linux' with a little help from his friends. Why doesn't he call it GNU/Linux? Because he wrote it, with more help from his friends, not you. You named your stuff, I named my stuff -- including the software I wrote using GCC -- and Linus named his stuff. The proper name is Linux because Linus Torvalds says so. Linus has spoken. Accept his authority. To do otherwise is to become a nag. You don't want to be known as a nag, do you?

(An operating system) != (a distribution). Linux is an operating system. By my definition, an operating system is that software which provides and limits access to hardware resources on a computer. That definition applies whereever you see Linux in use. However, Linux is usually distributed with a collection of utilities and applications to make it easily configurable as a desktop system, a server, a development box, or a graphics workstation, or whatever the user needs. In such a configuration, we have a Linux (based) distribution. Therein lies your strongest argument for the unwieldy title 'GNU/Linux' (when said bundled software is largely from the FSF). Go bug the distribution makers on that one. Take your beef to Red Hat, Mandrake, and Slackware. At least there you have an argument. Linux alone is an operating system that can be used in various applications without any GNU software whatsoever. Embedded applications come to mind as an obvious example.

>>59866720
Jokes on you, I'm not really Richard Stallman.

>>59866702
Not samefag because unfortunately I don't know what "brainlet" means.

>>59866710
>>59866719

Next, even if we limit the GNU/Linux title to the GNU-based Linux distributions, we run into another obvious problem. XFree86 may well be more important to a particular Linux installation than the sum of all the GNU contributions. More properly, shouldn't the distribution be called XFree86/Linux? Or, at a minimum, XFree86/GNU/Linux? Of course, it would be rather arbitrary to draw the line there when many other fine contributions go unlisted. Yes, I know you've heard this one before. Get used to it. You'll keep hearing it until you can cleanly counter it.

You seem to like the lines-of-code metric. There are many lines of GNU code in a typical Linux distribution. You seem to suggest that (more LOC) == (more important). However, I submit to you that raw LOC numbers do not directly correlate with importance. I would suggest that clock cycles spent on code is a better metric. For example, if my system spends 90% of its time executing XFree86 code, XFree86 is probably the single most important collection of code on my system. Even if I loaded ten times as many lines of useless bloatware on my system and I never excuted that bloatware, it certainly isn't more important code than XFree86. Obviously, this metric isn't perfect either, but LOC really, really sucks. Please refrain from using it ever again in supporting any argument.

Last, I'd like to point out that we Linux and GNU users shouldn't be fighting among ourselves over naming other people's software. But what the heck, I'm in a bad mood now. I think I'm feeling sufficiently obnoxious to make the point that GCC is so very famous and, yes, so very useful only because Linux was developed. In a show of proper respect and gratitude, shouldn't you and everyone refer to GCC as 'the Linux compiler'? Or at least, 'Linux GCC'? Seriously, where would your masterpiece be without Linux? Languishing with the HURD?

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>>59866720
>>59866724
Gold & saved.

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>>59866720
>>59866733
y so mad tho senpai. Linux will always be Linux. GNU will always be GNU. GNU/Linux is the combination of both.

>>59866733
Sorry bud, TLDR. I did see you referenced GNU/Linux. My response for that is: Linux is a kernel. Sure the userland has all sorts of shit from various shit licenses like BSD, MIT, Apache, etc. But the majority is GNU, so that's why people often refer to the OS and GNU/Linux. Because saying GNU/BSD/Apache/MIT/Linux is ten times as retarded.

I mean FUCK, are you this FUCKING STUPID? How is this stuff not obvious to EVERYONE?

>>59866603
nice pasta

>>59866733
>>59866720
what really annoys me is that you fucking retard NEVER post the complete pasta

literally kill yourself low quality reddit memer

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>I have to patch my OS to be able to run 3+million lines of code as a non-root user
Why is Linux a good OS again?

>>59866792
nice meme, this is now my fb status

>>59866769
But we have to be 100% PC and credit every possible piece of software in the chain, do we not?
Is this not why you are campaigning against something that has been the norm for 30 fucking years?

Stallman has done NOTHING to his name except create gnu and emacs, he has NOTHING contributed in the past 30 years.Hes grasping at straws and you freeretards drank the coolaid, and realized you did,but you keep up the charades

>>59866633
Advanced as in requires more skill dumbfuck

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>>59866617

>>59866813
A man who made free software a thing should have the right to rest. You wouldn't even post here, this thread wouldn't exist, GPL wouldn't exist, Linux wouldn't exist - without him. Pray for forgiveness on your knees right now.

>>59866813
I don't think we have to be 100% PC. That's too idealist.

I agree, Stallman hasn't contributed any code in years, or decades. However he has championed one idea:

That the code should be free, not the user.

Yeah, I totally get why Microsoft calls GPL cancer. Because anything that touches it has to be GPL too. But when I'm no wearing my American Capitalism hat, there's not really anything wrong with the idea that SOFTWARE should be free. And I'm not going to elaborate on that because FOR FUCKS SAKE you can just read fsf.org.

>>59866856
>when I'm no
I meant "when I'm not"

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>>59866831
>C Nigger redefining words
Java is far more complex as a language than C.

>>59866856
>I don't think we have to be 100% PC
why should, we, I can call you a faggot and you and I understand what's meant
doesn't mean that we shouldn't fight for our own rights (and reject nonfree software)

>>59866856
Life does not revolve around things being free.
Where is my free mansion,where is my free women,where is my free luxary sports car.
It should all be free right?

Why would i have to give out months of time coding on a project just to then give it away for free so some other ass hat can copy it and do no work on it?

GPL is massivly flawed,but the amount of cool aid drunk freetards somehow has made this shift to it being ok.

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>>59866875
>Java is far more complex as a language than C.
Not redefining words cocksucker. I meant what I fucking said and you're trying to say I meant something different. Eat shit.

GPL is communism

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>>59866902

>>59866902
communism is absense of capitalism; GPL supports capitalism

>>59866912
>GPL supports capitalism
what is this autism? GPL is impossible to effectively monetise.

I'm so sick of that systemd and pol bait.

>>59866895
>advanced
>Highly developed or complex
>complex
>complex
>complex
Now you see?
Oh god, C's vocal minority is so stupid.

>>59866924
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Monetize

>>59866941
Kill yourself you fucking waste. I hope English isn't your first language.

>>59866924
tell that red hat, they'll laugh at you

>>59866956
>C nigger
>Telling someone that he is a waste
Java is the language of the employed. Enjoy being NEET.

>>59866941
>>59866973
>Oh god, C's vocal minority is so stupid
Yeah. C is more difficult so fewer people know it and people who use things like Java stay quiet because they aren't as skilled as others. It's common sense, stop acting like this is some revelation.

>>59866946
>having a list of words that are prohibited from speaking
Wew lad how deep does this retardation go?

>>59866973
please leave this dumb shit is not welcome here it's not even related

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>>59866839

>>59866977
>prohibited
[cititation needed]

>>59866883
Hey, I completely agree. GPL is the "ideal" situation. Obviously everyone wants the free housing and services.

But that's not reality -- hence my capitalist hat.

As for why would you give your software away for free? Well, with GPL, or AGPL, it's not really free. You can charge for it. And you own the copyrights still. But GPL can help ensure your software is adopted and any contributions or changes are shared with you. Then you can even get more capitalist and make it available as some BS "community edition" and make a straight up proprietary version too. Then watch as multiple people code for you, while not being on your payroll.

Or you might just be someone who doesn't care about making money (must be nice), and have charitable intentions.

>>59866984
>C nigger
You should leave. Java is the language of /g/

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>>59866977

b-b-but they said free as in freedom?!?!?!
>*starves to death*

>>59867004
neo /g/*

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>>59866348
>>59866633
>>59867004
Dude fuck off seriously.
What kind of faggot goes out of his way imposing bullshit into unrelated threads?
Annoying fuck this is why nobody really likes you irl. Seriously what the fuck is your problem?

>>59867022
>irrelevant female

Ugh

>>59867022
seriously this

>>59867022
>Annoying fuck this is why nobody really likes you irl
Apparently you know him IRL?

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>>59867028
>Ugh
faggot

>>59867038
No but you can bet he's(you) a self absorbed annoying faggot irl too.

>>59867053
I bet you are too.

>tried to install solus on same SSD as windows
>it kept crashing on login
>uninstalled
>somehow fucked the bootloader
>spent 2 hours trying to repair it

thanks, kevin

>>59866894
>property
I'm all in for dicussing the topic when you can prove that property actually exists, and with exists I mean reality also known as real life, on planet earth, property of the universe (or god, if you insist) which made use.

>>59867057
Stop posting

>>59867082
You first

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Stop shitting up /fglt/ with systemd bait.

>>59867104
Dear good advice viking,
discussing the topic systemd is useful, bait isn't (there's a difference).

>>59867120
>there's a difference
Not him, but I'd like to see one discussion about systemd that isn't down to the roots filled with bait.

friendly reminder that ubuntu precise dies this month, update your servers now or upgrade to glorious debian

>>59867022
>Fuck off
No. You fuck off. C Niggers are vocal minority that should be banned from this board.

Why aren't you using https://www.enlightenment.org/about-terminology

>>59866806
>meme
You're right, Linux is a fucking meme. Even Windows has better security at this point.

Is high PPI (4k 15" screen) scaling still fucked on gnu/Linux?

>>59867323
The GNU operating system with Linux added as its kernel*

>>59867375
>GNU operating system
Jokes on you, I run a full BSD/University of Illinois/NCSA+Linux operating system. Toybox is relatively usable, and LLVM can compile Linux if you help it a little.

>>59867416
sup cuck, how does it feel getting raped by proprietary mandingo?

>>59867475
Sorry, I can't hear you over GNU software running native on Windows 10.

Is it true that ryzen is really good for gentoo/compiling in general? Does the 1700 work well in gnu+lanucks yet?

>>59866303
How do I install Steam on an external HDD?

>>59867513
The steam client is stuck on your root drive but it doesn't really matter because it's tiny. To install the games on the HDD, either mount the HDD at /home, or just create a games folder on the drive and tell steam to install there.

>>59866303
I CANT USE PEAZIP
REEEEEEEE
MOTHERFUCKER STARTS AND CLOSES IN 1 SECOND.
FUCKING DEPENDENCIES, LEARN TO REDISTRIBUTE YOUR LIBRARIES FUCKING PAJEETS.
REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Help

>>59867513
First off, you need to get some lupe, then you bend over, then you contact valve and ask for casual rape.

>>59867513
>steam
check out GOG, still nonfree, but at least not cuckold DRM shit

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>>59866348
>originally designed for clustered computing
>Uses a java virtual machine to host everything it does for interop between potential clusters.

I see no way this can go wrong.

>>59867742
stop

What would be a friendly way to setup a sql server and have it serve consults through http?

I fucking hate chink CCTV DVR and non-chink ones are expensive as shit.
How can i build one myself?

Is there a way to play a sound file when I'm typing in urxvt, but not when I'm typing anywhere else?

>>59867682
>>59867705
#rekt

when I shut my thinkpad (x301) it doesn't hibernate properly. if I have firefox open, the fan keeps spinning and it dies quickly in my bag.

>>59867818
Shit happens, have a nice day anyway, bro.

Is there an actual point to use linux for anyone outside of an autistic /g/ user? Because I don't like the idea of not being able to play my games, or having to download shit by anything other than clicking and opening.

"free" seems like shit if it doesn't work and can't keep up with windows.

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>>59867863
Nigger

>>59867863
10/10. How could we argue? Linux BTFO.

>>59867863
brb installing windows

>>59867863
so much this

Yo, something's wrong with the Arch-Anywhere livedisk. Or something.
I've tested my network connection perfectly fine at the start, but upon trying to update the mirrorlist, it says the network goes down at 100%.

Looks like I may as well manually install Arch again since this is taking way too fucking long to troubleshoot. Where I was intending to make this quick because my last hard drive went kaput and I needed something quick. Fuck me, holy shit.

>>59867989
>Arch
>something's wrong
That's normal.

>>59868003
It wasn't normal last time I used it. The only issue, last I used Arch-Anywhere: my SD card rejected having the installer use it. Probably because I had to use the actual MMC hardware

>>59868011
linux doesn't work with current hardware, there's no reason to use it, install windows

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>>59868034
It's not current hardware, you fucking mongoloid, it's one of these badboys.
http://h20564.www2.hp.com/hpsc/doc/public/display?docId=c00749174#N10037

I'm contemplating using my Slackware 9.1 disks to install, instead, actually. For shits and giggles.

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>>59867968
>>59867863
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>59868049
>file.png

>>59867863
no, only people inside autistic /g/ users use linux

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>>59868003
>archlinux.org is down right now

>>59868073
manjaro does not have this problem

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S T O P

P O S T I N G

O B V I O U S

C A N C E R O U S

B A I T

F A G G O T S

!

>>59868110
pls staph

>meanwhile on arch
>wiki is broken
>distro going break
>bloats is hogging ram
>botnet sends data to the nsa
>random skidz starting their aur backdoors

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>>59868170
Christ, maybe it's time I actually switch away from Arch.
Is there anything that isn't a hassle to set up (simplicity) yet retains the ability to go in depth?

I just enjoyed how easy it *WAS* to set up Arch, and how easy it *WAS* to maintain a development/workflow environment on it. Pacman is a lovely thing, but if need be sway away from it, then so be it.

>>59868187

>one meme post is enough to convince him of something
I suggest you kill yourself.

>>59868208
Friendly thread. Rudeposting prohibided.

>>59868213

Then he should stop offending everyone with his retardation, it is rude.

Hey guys, I wanted some advice on where to proceed after 2020. Microsoft is dropping extended support for windows 7 then and I do not want to go to windows 10. What's a good distro to use? I don't really play games much so that's not an issue. Ubuntu seems the one to be recommended to everyone but I really dislike the way it looks.

>>59868233

Ubuntu is a distribution, it has no looks. Environments have looks. Unity has looks, GNOME has looks, Xfce has looks, LXDE has looks, KDE Plasma has looks, single programs have looks.

>>59868233
Ubuntu for entry-level learning and ultimative hand holding. When save, you'll know where to switch to (you should*) automatically.
*(Ubuntu is the most, well configures OOTB distro available, but Canonical sucks dick)

>>59868255
>>59868264
Alright thanks a lot! I'll do some more reading on the subject because I've used windows most of my life, but I don't like the direction it's heading in so I figure it's time to jump ship.

>>59868264
>but Canonical sucks dick
>implying a newbe knows or even cares about nuances of foss autism

why is archlinux.org down?

>>59868208
The thing is, I was checking out archlinux.org's downtime and apparently it's been really crappy as of late. That's not a good thing for someone who needs constant uptime.

>>59868285
It's a message send by arch devs saying that you should use manjaro instead (only intelligent people may be able to read the message).

>>59868306
why would I use a shitty spin-off?

what the fuck, how dare arch linux having a website downtime? they really seem not to cate about the community, what the hell, fuck these guys

>>59868320
This. Just installed Arch and tried to install something and then the website went down. Where the fuck do I get the right commands for copy pasting now? Fuck this shit.

>>59868303
If manjaro's did the same thing, it would be getting crucified by archfags right now

>>59868337
And rightly so. Why not have some sort of backup, contingency plan?

>>59868337
and people would post screenshots of manjaro being down even at anno 3018

>>59868340
this, what are they thinking? arch is down, yeah, but manjaro is basically just a bad spinoff and they cant even have a available website? oh wait what is this https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php?title=Main_Page

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>>59868331
>>59868320
>>59868337
>If manjaro's did the same thing, it would be getting crucified by archfags right now
IT'S NOT THE SAME

>>59868359
this is the worst cancerous bullshit spam /fglt/ has ever seen, please stop

>>59868366
Can you stop being autistic? I'm not for Arch, nor Manjaro, if both can't keep their shit together.

I've been using Gentoo for a bit, but my hard drive failed recently. And Arch not being available - and, from what I remember of my experience with Manjaro - I'm getting quite frustrated. I want to easily get back into a Linux environment. Gentoo requires too much compiling for that. Albeit, Gentoo is very efficient, but I'd like to be able to hop in as quickly as I can.

Plus the shit I'm trying to run it on has a tough time compiling everything.

>>59868388
>he fell for the gentoo meme
first days on /g/? didn't they tell you on reddit that "install gentoo" is basically a meme like "delet system32"? lmao, you need to go back

>>59868376
>this is the worst cancerous bullshit spam /fglt/ has ever seen, please stop
spam? No. I've posted it twice many days apart. Why are you so upset? Fuck you dude. I'll be sure to post more like this thanks.

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>>59868359

>>59868403
you posted it 100000 times and 10000 peole told you to stop posting this crap, fuck off FUCK OFF

>>59868359
>posting it again
Woun't install, simply because fuck you.

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>using downstream distros

>>59868426
>being beta-tester cuckold

>>59868397
I've been using Gentoo for over 2 and a half years, now. It's worked like a charm ever since I'd set the initial compiler flags for my system.
Maybe you should stop trying to be a faggot and contribute something?

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>>59868414(same)
>you posted it 100000 times and 10000 peole told you to stop posting this crap, fuck off FUCK OFF
Nah dude wasn't me. Chill out dude. There have been a few threads about it outside of /faglet/

>>59868425(fag)
You think the people who've posted it are trying to get people to install it? It's cringe you dipshit. You probably actually have autism. Not understanding things like this is a clear indicator.

>>59868376(you)
>this is the worst cancerous bullshit spam /fglt/ has ever seen, please stop
Cancerous? Hah, I remember when people knew what that word meant. It's not "something I don't like btw".

It was there minding it's own business, nobody had to say shit but you sperged out about it immediately.

>>59868439
>beta-tester cuckold
nice word combo!

>>59868450
Btw, I'm away from keyboard for a while, compiling firefox for the 10000th time with the same setting, because there's an update, so in case you want to reply, please be patient.

>>59868439
you do know it takes about a minute to downgrade and edit pacman.conf to hold the packages in question if something "breaks"

>>59868473
>using Firefox, or any "modern" web browser for that matter
Well, you'd be fucking yourself in the ass quite hard-ways.

>>59868473
"Can't; I'm compiling." is actually a good excuse for social interactions.

Arch is the best. Prove me wrong.
(Protip: You can't.)

>>59868303

What does a website have to do with your "constant uptime" retard?

>>59868514
I can't because you're right.

>>59868514
Everything you know about Arch is a meme.

Arch isn't simple, it isn't lightweight, and it isn't a Linux distribution.

Furthermore:

"It has never been a minimalist distribution. Splitting packages is rare compared to other distributions, and dependencies aren't made optional whenever possible."

"It has also never been a distribution offering much user freedom / choice compared to Gentoo and even Debian. There are very few cases where there are multiple packages offering different configurations of the same project. There's no equivalent to update-alternatives or the comparable uses of USE flags. Changing /bin/sh from Bash will be broken, as will changing the python symlink to point to python2 instead of python3 even though this works on some other distributions. It doesn't strive to offer choices like this, and never has."

"Arch is the opposite of a user-centric freedom. The opinion of users has no weight here. Only the developers have an opinion, and there aren't voting systems as there are in Debian. Technical decisions are made based on merit via consensus among the developers, not popularity."

"Arch has never been minimalist... a Linux kernel with every module available and every feature enabled at least when there's no non-bloat related cost, feature-packed/complex GNU tools, nearly all optional features enabled across all the packages, etc."

"It has always used significantly more disk space and a measurable amount of additional memory than Debian and especially Gentoo as a consequence of keeping things simple (again, from a development perspective)."

"Memes about minimalism and user freedom != actual distribution policy / principles / history."

t. arch wiki admin
https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/2015-July/039443.html

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>>59868514
>>59868475
>>59868470
>>59868370
>>59868318
>>59868303
>>59868285
What is wrong with you people? Use your fucking OS and quit spending all of your time arguing about dumb shit with strangers. Grow the fuck up.

>>59868538
>>59868538
The expression “a Linux kernel” can easily be misunderstood as meaning “a kernel of Linux” and implying that Linux must be more than a kernel. You can avoid the possibility of this misunderstanding by saying or writing “a kernel, Linux” or “Linux, a kernel”.

>>59868529
Are the repos even functioning? It's not working at all for me, even on my VPS

>>59868538
all FUD

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>>59868549
>tfw i set up debian MATE two weeks ago and haven't changed a thing since
really. just pick one, set that shit up, and leave it the fuck alone.

>>59868549
>>>/out/

>>59868582
>>>/out/

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>>59868559
Not working for me either. Not really a big deal though tbqh.

This is the top link on r/archlinux
https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg43383.html

bad thread

anyone got this ?
~ » DRI_PRIME=1 glxinfo
name of display: :0
radeon: Failed to allocate virtual address for buffer:
radeon: size : 65536 bytes
radeon: alignment : 4096 bytes
radeon: domains : 4
radeon: va : 0x0000000000800000

I have a ThinkPad S540, tried to install AMDGPU for the AMD HD8670M, but nothing workes, it often just runies the OS (Ubuntu 17.04),i tried older ubuntu versions and linux kernel and all the guides online

>>59868595
>This is the top link on r/archlinux
you need to go back

>>59866384
>That's your opinion. Java is the lanugage of /g/.
Look how well that turned out for Android.

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>>59868614
No

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>>59868616
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re refering to as Android, is in fact, Android/Linux or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, Android plus Linux. Android is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning Linux system made useful by the Linux kernel, syscalls and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the Linux system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of Linux which is widely used today is often called "Android", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the Linux system, developed by the Linux Foundation.

Τhere really is an Android, and these peοple are using it, but it is јust a part οf the system they use. Android is the interface: the prοgram in the system that interacts with the user and starts the οther prοgrams that yοu run. Τhe interface is an essential part οf an οperating system, but useless by itself; it can οnly functiοn in the cοntext οf a cοmplete οperating system. Android is nοrmally used in cοmbinatiοn with the Linux kernel: the whοle system is basically Android with Linux added, or Android/Linux. All the sο-called "Android" operating systems are really Android/Linux.

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https://www.furiffic.com/pouar

>>59868595
It's a big deal for me! I can't install it tonight! Ugh.

>>59868549
Says the retard shitposting on the internet.

I'm thinking of getting Arch with GNOME or Ubuntu GNOME 17.04.

KDE has become less configurable than GNOME currently is.

>>59868632
It isn't funny and it woun't be funny in the next 100 years. Please stop posting it.

>>59868646
stop namefagging, retard

>>59868646
Is this bait? Sure gnome can be made slightly less shit than stock gnome, but KDE is infinitely better.

>>59868549
>arguing
>nice word combo!

fuck yourself

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>>59868634

>>59868647
asshurt arch fag

arch is the best distro for ricing
arch is the best distro for learning linux
arch is the best distro for having uptodate packages
prove me wrong, protip you cant

>>59868708
GNU/Linux*

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>blindly post all kinds of 'information' in /fglt/
>spergs constantly flip their shit

>>59868684
Seems like it's always one of these memes that reminds me to pacman -Syu

>>59868708
>can't choose what features packages are built with at compile time
>arch developers admit it isn't about user freedom
>gentoo and Debian installs are more minimal
Not the best distro for ricing.
Most of the knowledge you get from arch is either incredibly basic Linux knowledgeable like partitioning. If you actually want to learn it, use LFS.
>best distro for up to date packages
>much slower kernel updates than void
>still doesn't have gnome 3.24

>>59868735
GNU/Linux*

>>59868666
My problems with KDE is:
1. KDE 's kickoff menu (or the application menu) has duplicate menu entries. Search "window" or "decoration" and you will find different menus with the same name.
2. Some applications automatically start on bootup (such as Dolphin, Qbittorrent)
3. Startup time even slower than Cinnamon
4. They removed custom themes, now they have a set of predefined "look and feel" themes that you can rice.

These are some things GNOME/Gtk doing right
1. Switching to Vulkan renderer. This is hugely efficient.
2. Shipping a working Wayland server
3. They are slowly adding usability features.

I am an unbiased person (mostly). So I am thinking of switching to GNOME.

>>59868721
These have become the worst threads on the whole site. Nobody here is smart enough to self moderate and ignore bait. They always have to chime in about everything. The dedication some of them have to voice their pointless opinions is creepy.

>>59868745
are*

>>59868745
Wayland is horrible and you shouldn't use it. It's shitty software that hates freedom and customisability.

>>59868754
tb-h i reply to myself

>>59868765
Wayland is more efficient than X. Takes less CPU resources and saves on battery. It's a better technology.

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how do I get my get my desktop to look like this?

>kernel """""update""""" causes system hangs and random crashes
>preceding kernel version works
What did they mean by this?

>>59868817
stop using proprietary drivers you cuck

>>59868823
no

>>59868823
>stop using proprietary drivers you cuck
building nouveau driver as module can cause this

>>59868832
enjoy your old insecure kernels then

>>59868852
t. bleeding edge guinea pig

>>59868815
By using your eyes to read.
What does the lower left box say?
Now pay attention and use your brain.

>>59868867
t. downstream cuck

y is dis thred so ded

>>59869140
Spammer got muted

>>59869149
why do you still use DE's?

>>59869155
DEs provide a "batteries included" experience and I like it

>>59869168
DE's are broken by design

>>59869202
How?

>>59869207
buggy, bloated and filled with all kinds of crap, when something breaks it's almost impossible to know what it is, you have no idea how it all glues together and what does what
it's basically windows
window managers are the true unix way

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>go check out the Arch forums after a while to see what's up
>see this
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=225061

>>59869262

>hurr durr why don't you use i3 like I do?

if you want a DE, it's fine, if you want a wm that's fine too; both worlds have good and bad stuff

Anyone has any tips on how to install windows with the help of a live linux distro?
(it's quite a complicated problem I have, basically I need linux running while windows is installing on a hard drive)

>>59869581
true, but you shouldn't stay on a DE forever imo
after years of dealing with buggy, unstable DE's I finally realized that wm's are less of a hassle
you configure it once, and you don't have to do anything ever again
if something breaks on your system you know exactly what it is because there's no clutter obscuring your package manager logs and in most cases you'll know exactly what caused the problem even before you take a look at the logs
not to mention that such breakings are almost non existent with a wm

i need to make a .zip a certain size filled with the same image over and over, how do I do it?

>>59869595
use a VM
for example;

qemu-system-x86_64 --enable-kvm -m 512M -hda /dev/sda -cdrom /path/to/windows.iso -boot d

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>>59866447
>misspelling Ada
kys yourself

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>>59869426
>systemct1

So, did GNOME finally implement thumbnails in the GTK file picker?

tiling is an autistic meme.

CWM is the truth master race wm

>>59869652

your experience doesn't necessarily apply to the rest of users

DEs have more components out of the box than your random WM, and that implies both good and bad things. Whether you focus the bad or the good is a matter of contextual needs.

>>59869679
could just make a bunch of symlinks and zip them all

>>59869771
>using the file picker instead of drag and dropping from an actual filemanager
babbies first year?

Does anyone else say GANOO SLASH LINUCKS instead of GNU/Linux like a normal person?

Is it my autism or has the free as in freedom train hit me from seeing too much Richard Matthew Stallman?

>>59868559

They are working, you retard. The repository has nothing to do with the website. Even the forums and Wiki are online and have nothing to do with the website.

This just proves that you're an idiot who runs nothing "important" and with uptime you meant the uptime on your Linux distribution that you boot into once every other day to type "ls -l".
Kill yourself.

>>59869891
gnu slash linux or gnu plus linux are the proper ways

>>59869426
holy mother of kek

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>>59869426

>@Bug Wrangle

>>59869891
I usually just use the distro name in normal conversation, i only say GNU with Linux if i refer to it in general.
>>59868817
Get a recent amd gpu and run free drivers next time.

>aptitude
Waow this shit is great, after two weeks to search how to repair my broken dependencies (thx binutils) i tried by installing aptitude and ran it...and...it fuckin repaired everything, nvidia, dkms, binutils, and all broken stuff, just had to type Y.
Why did i used apt-get since the beginning?!
apt-get/synaptic is a disaster and there is ofther somthing to repair, aptitude is fuckin great.
I wanted to say it!

Strange bug when installing Fedora.
When I go to select disk for installation, clicking on the disk results in
an unknown error. Just entering the menu, and clicking ''done'' without
selecting a disk allows me to continue the installation, but I was
unable to manually partition, the installation just allocates all available
space. Otherwise, installed with no problems. Dual booting Windows 7
and Fedora.

>>59870135
Did you shut down 7 properly? Also, why fedora?

>>59870122
Aptitude is highly underrated, especially on sid it saves my ass every once in a while.

It's a common problem with 8 and 10, but don't know if this problem exists with 7:
Windows and hibernation.
In windows disable the fast launch in power options. In bios if you have something like "secure start/launch", disable it.

>>59870151
>Did you shut down 7 properly?
Pretty sure I did
>why fedora
No reason in particular. Found a 1TB hdd on which I restored
an old gho with 7 installed, so my plan is to install multiple
distros on it and see what werks for me.

>>59870188
And it just saved mine.
Prehistoric apt-get is now dead for me, i won't use it anymore, i don't want to repair or reinstall my system anymore (i'm on an unstable ver. but now i feel it will be stable).

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Has anyone used or does anyone know of any ways to clone a hard drive using Linux. Ive built a new PC for a friend and im attempting to Clone his HDD onto a new SSD. In the past Ive used Acronis true image when i was using Windows as my main. I'm running Ubuntu as my main now. Any ideas?

>>59866526
For anyone who wants to make the switch to OpenRC as smooth as possible try getting the Arch Linux ISO with OpenRC.

https://sourceforge.net/projects/archopenrc/files/arch-openrc/

If you already have Arch installed and want to unplug from the systemd matrix of hell, then add the OpenRC repositories to your /etc/pacman.conf from the above link.

Another Manual:

https://abchk1234.wordpress.com/2014/06/03/using-openrc-on-arch-archbang-manjaro-linux/

That references to without-systemd.org and systemd-free.org

The systemd scarce is also part of the bigger conspiracy (amoungst other shitty software):
"Making free and open-source software complex enough to fill it with security holes to better assist intel agencies" NSA operation ORCHESTRA.

Talk right here:

https://mirrors.dotsrc.org/fosdem/2014/Janson/Sunday/NSA_operation_ORCHESTRA_Annual_Status_Report.webm

>>59870258
use the dd command.

>>59870258
I wonder if it's possible to use acronis in a virtualbox windows...

Thanks, ill look into it.

Its probably possible actually. Think ill have a go at DD first though

>>59870304
It is. In fact it's a must for me when I want to virtualize backups. Images are meant to be restored to the same hardware from where they were made, so migrating the system to a vm fucks up booting. Booting into universal restore
inside the vm usually fixes the issue. If not, use Paragon.

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It just werks™

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>>59870346
But...it also means that it's possible to have a virtual system in a virtual system in a virtual system....?
>tfw in tfw in tfw...

>>59866348

>JAVA truly is the great equalizing software. It has reduced all computers to mediocrity and buggyness.

― NASA’s J-Track web site

>>59868815
What file manager is that? Ranger?

>>59870467
yes

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Should I be concerned about CVE-2016-10229?

>>59870697
>CVE-2016-10229
This is why programming in C should be completely banned and outlawed

>>59870717
t. pajeet

>>59870800
Oh top quality argument, anon. Did you know you have to wait five more years to be eligible to post here?

Good day /fglt/. Do you have any distro recommendations for a 32 bit 512 MB RAM system?

>>59870844
Source Mage

>>59870844
That's plenty, which cpu?
I use debian for everything, so i suggest a minimal install of that with a standalone wm of your choice. Dwm bspwm and openbox are gud. If you are new maybe try lxde instead.

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>>59870697
About wat?

>>59870856

AMD Sempron 3300. I was thinking of Debian as well, but it has been a few years since I used it.

>>59870844
netbsd

>>59870852

Checked this as well. I don't think compiling on this CPU would be that smart.

does /fglt/ use systemd?

>>59870892

I'll check this one out too. Never used a BSD OS before.

>>59870971
Wayland is better.

instead of updating my arch i just reinstall it every 2 weeks anyone else do this?

>>59871249
I personally use snapshots. When it breaks, I just reset to the last snapshot and try again.

>>59871249
kek why do you do this? Use chroots, don't fuck with themes and fonts too much, use the OS carefully

>>59871249
Just avoid breakage completly: Don't update.

I hate having to ask this, but I can't decide on a Linux distro.
I've used Linux on servers quite a lot, but never for desktop.

I want to have it take over as my main desktop, and just use Win10 in a VM or something with GPU passthrough when I absolutely have to use Win10.
Though I have experience with Linux, I want a more hand-holdy experience on desktop. And I want rather bleeding edge.

So far I'm leaning toward Debian unstable with a nicer KDE skin.
I guess I'd consider Void or Arch if there was an easy "make it comfy and hand-holdier" guide.

>>59871451
GNU/Linux*

>>59871451
Ubuntu >>59870358

>>59871451
install ubunut

>>59871475
>>59871485
I've had bad experiences with Ubuntu.
Though I was looking at Kubuntu.

>>59871451
void
It isn't that hard to install. Updates barely ever break.

>>59871513
kek

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>>59871513
Yeah I've been getting redpilled hard on Void by someone and it does seem pretty nice.

Better package manager that updates binaries with the continuous build system and less likely to get broken by varying dependencies due to that?
Also when you google "void linux" you don't get a bunch of anime backgrounds like when you google "gentoo" or "arch linux". That's a plus.

I use Debian on servers so it's comfy for me. I'd like to use the same commands like apt-get and blah blah but... eh. I hear Debian and distros like it are more difficult to customize which might make it less comfy.

I also worry about security on Void and shit. And that I can't find answers on google since it's less popular.

pure horror: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2017/04/11/windows-10-creators-update-whats-new-in-bashwsl-windows-console/

soon there will be no reason anymore to switch

>>59871451
arch is easy especially if you have experience with servers

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>>59871721
>soon there will be no reason anymore to switch
How about Freedom?

>>59871737
arch does shit like not keep a copy of the old kernel modules when updating the kernel so you have to reboot right away.
Like.. stuff like that is so dumb. I want an experience that makes sense.

>>59871765
dont update then

>>59871781
i want to update

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>>59871721
whats wrong with my fonts?

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p-please help me choose a distro

I'm actually leaning toward Void, as it seems like a better Arch, but I worry that I can't google to fix my problems like with Arch or Debian.

>>59871451

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Hello,

I want to install arch.
How do I get full disc encryption with the aui installer?

Why isn't Arch as good as Void?

>>59871872
Because it's not void of packages

>>59871849
Cryptsetup, then mount the device mappers to fstab. Its like 2 extra steps. Dont knoww about thag gay installer homosrx though.
>>59871872
I tried to like void, its just not ready to be a dailydriver yet. Maybe in a year or two

so i got a rasp and it seems to always eat away the memory slowly but surely. I have nothing running. What can it be?

What about Netrunner? That updates when Archs does, right?
And I can strip out the bits of it I don't like, but it gets a quicker start to a more usual desktop experience?

>>59871978
>>59871929
Yeah this is what I was just thinking before I checked back here.
There's just not enough packages...

I worry that Arch is going to be a bit of a pain for daily desktop usage, still.

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>nearly 6 year old laptop
>just bought a new battery
>picked up another 4 gig ram
>replaced optical drive with hdd caddy and put in 2x 1TB drives
>installed linux

goddam I could use this for another 6 years, it's like new.

https://action.openrightsgroup.org/say-no-to-drm-as-a-web-standard

>>59872840
what the fuck

I installed ubuntu onto a new drive of mine and then put my other two drives back into my computer but now whenever I boot up I can't seem to get my computer to go into ubuntu instead of windows. Any ideas on how I can fix this??

>>59872900
select the boot device you dummy

>>59872920
If I try to go into the windows boot manager it doesn't work and when I load up the boot devices on startup and click my ubuntu it doesn't open

>>59872900
update-grub

good thread

Whats a good lightweight distro to run in virtual box? I tried Lubuntu and LXLE but they fail to boot because no pae and porcepae -- forcepae doesn't seem to change it.

>>59873166
try puppy.

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I'm completely new to linux and boy do I need some serious help. I'm gonna give a quick rundown of everything I've done so far. Keep in mind this is for Manjaro KDE (supposedly user friendly).

1. Properly burned the iso to a DVD file.
2. Enabled legacy mode in Windows BIOS (windows 10).
3. Booted up from the DVD into the initial setup screen.
4. Installed Manjaro KDE as directed, selecting install alongside windows 10.
5. Completed successfully.

Right after all this it gave me two options: restart now or restart later, so I chose now thinking there was no problem. When I booted up again, it once more showed me the initial bootup screen so I chose boot from DVD as I had done the first time. For whatever reason it now gives me a constant few errors.

>Failed to start Login Service.

So I tried ctrl+alt+f2, no change, it just kept giving me the same error.Rhen right after it gives me a pop-up error that reads: Could not sync environment to dbus.

I have absolutely no idea what I'm doing, this is my first time even touching linux. I know nothing about batch, nothing about most technical verbatim. What am I doing wrong? Am I supposed to be booting from the DVD again? What so I do now?

Also just a general question, after I figure this out, will I always have to boot from the DVD to use this partition, or will it be in my hard drive like any other OS would? I'd really hate to have to carry around my external CD drive with my laptop just to boot into this thing.

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>>59873224
Other pic for reference.

>>59873089
good post

>>59873243

what does the log say?

if it allows you to drop to a shell, simply type systemctl status systemd-logind.service and hit enter

do you get any kind of prompt or menu asking you to select a boot option (supposing you installed manjaro alongside windows)

>>59873243
The first (never have time to see what it is) is red for me, but it works, also all the others are in green.

>>59873224
>supposedly user friendly).
not really.

I would recommend trying a mainstream distribution like Ubuntu to see if the problem is something inherent to Manjaro (the more likely option) or your weird hardware configuration (least likely but still possible)

And you got nothing to lose, since from what you've written you don't have a working OS.

no new thread?

>>59873318
Not sure where I would either find the log or how I would access it seeing as how I cannot boot into it at all. Where would the log be?

No shell I don't think, there's nowhere for me to type at all.

In the initial boot screen I get if my CD drive is attached, it gives me two options.

1. Boot from CD/DVD
2. Boot from Harddrive

Both options give me the same results. I had initially implemented a password and username when installing the first time. Could this be the issue? If so there's no place for me to type in a username or password.

>>59873340
Stupid question but how would I go about deleting the partition I've put aside for Manjaro?

>>59873379
>Stupid question but how would I go about deleting the partition I've put aside for Manjaro?
If you plan to reinstall another system you don't have to do it. Just during installation pick the correct partition and overwrite.

If you're giving up either gparted (there's a livecd version of it) or the builtin windows disk mngmt tool

>>59873374
There you go: >>59873414

>>59873412
Gotcha, thank you for your help! I'll just try a different distro. Would Xubuntu be a good one to start?

>>59873379

If you don't have any linux knowledge I'd just try a reinstall if you're too attached to your manjaro decission and if it still goes wrong try ubuntu (or go directly for ubuntu if you don't care that much).

Just if you're curious, I'd use the livecd to mount the root partition, check the logs and start troubleshooting.

Also remember to have a different root and home partition, and if you can afford it a different partition for boot is alright too. It's going to save you a lot of trouble in the future.

>>59873412
Thanks Bug Wangler

>>59873452
GNU/Linux*

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>>59873427
>Would Xubuntu be a good one to start?
That's up to the preferences. If you seriously intend to jump on the linux bandwagon you will try a different DE sooner or later anways.
So just pick one that looks the prettiest and roll with it.
If you're limited on resoures, Xfce will be a good place to start.

>>59873457
I do it for free™

>>59873427

ubuntu, xubuntu, kubuntu and lubuntu are all the same, they only have different desktop environments (that's the biggest difference you'll notice as an user).

Kubuntu is the one with KDE, the same you'd get with manjaro kde. You can install a different one later anyway; you can install xfce on kubuntu and kde on lubuntu. It doesn't matter in the end.

>>59873471

it's alright

>>59868626
I do believe that you are referring to Linux/Android, Anon.

>>59873498
>>59873499
Thanks guys!