/pcbg/ - PC Building General

First for Ryzen 5 is good

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JypkqwpOtNI

>twice the CPU utilization
>+/- 10% the framerates
And that's stock clocks on the 1600.
There really is actually no point in getting the 4c/4t. Especially when the 1600 is $180 at Jet.

Is it viable to have a non-metal chassis or does the psu need to bond to a metal frame?

>>59855021
where do I buy power9 processors?
are they available yet? need to up my HPC soon

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>16mb of cache
this thing is insane

>>59855102
lmao what?
Of course non-metal is fine. Grounds go through the wires, not the chassis.

>>59855110
call IBM

>>59855102
>Is it viable to have a non-metal chassis or does the psu need to bond to a metal frame?
The PSU will work fine in any case or without a case for that matter. I wouldn't put it in a case made of wood if you leave your computer on unattended, though. Metal doesn't.. burn.

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>jet only ships to US
>Have to pay 245€ for a chip US residents can have for 190$

>>59855102
Some motherboards use the IO plate to ground ports into the chassis. Also the grounded metal frame helps discharging static electricity from your hands. But yeah, it's not mandatory since most components use the wires for grounding.

1600 or 1600x? I'm mostly waiting for the x300 boards to drop since i'd like to go ITX, but i am concerned that most coolers for slim tower style ITX systems won't handle any overclocks well.

>>59855120
To be fair, it should be listed as 2x8MB.
Still significant, if utilized properly. Still better than 1 6MB.

>>59855204
american
micro
devices

>>59855204
Ehh the 1600 is the way better value, especially if you can get it on sale when the 1600X aren't discounted anywhere.
But I'm sill going for the 1600X myself. Kinda waiting if I can get it on sale too since, same, motherboards I'd like aren't available anyway. Got all my other stuff.

R5 1600 vs used 4790k for the same price? I happen to have a decent Z97 motherboard with g3258 and want to upgrade or replace it.

Anyone has the Ryzen motherboard tier list that was posted a few days ago? Not the brand list but one that compared power channels etc.
Other than moar ports is there any benefit from X370 chipset with R5 1600 or would B350 be enough?

Also can I put laptop wifi in m.2 port?

>>59855313
Do you mean same TOTAL system cost? Obviously 1600. It has newer features like USB 3.1, much lower input latency, lower power consumption, better upgradability with a socket that's being supported for 4+ years, and so on.

But since you have the motherboard, (fast?) ddr3, unlocked motherboard, I'd just get the 4790k I think.

>Other than moar ports is there any benefit from X370 chipset with R5 1600 or would B350 be enough
It's like 24 vs 22 pcie lanes on the X370 vs B350. It seems like more X370 boards have 2 full speed x4 m.2 lanes which is a big deal for professionals.
B350 is enough for 99.99% of people. Many of them have good VRMs and overclock well.

>>59855123
>>59855182
static was my concern

>>59855133
I have a solution for heat :)

Any brands I should be wary of for the GPU or is it safe to just sort by price?

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>this product is out of stock
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Hey guys, I'm at a loss here. I was playing a game when the system crashed, the screen filled with artifacts, the usual repeating sound played like before BSOD, but there was no BSOD. I booted into safe mode suspecting driver failure, but noticed that there were visual artifacts everywhere. I sweeped my drivers and reinstalled, but windows won't boot into normal mode anymore. It just displays a blank black screen after the "starting windows" screen has disappeared. What makes this worse is that I can't run diagnostics like Memtest for my GPU from safe mode.

Did my GPU fail or could it be something else like faulty PCI-e or PSU?

Friend wants to build a PC pretty low - medium budget

He's obsessed with Heroes of the Storm though.

As stupid as it sounds, whats a good card to run that on ultra and then maybe some other better games on medium to high at least?

I'm just getting him 8Gb of RAM, 650W PSU gold cert, 2TB HDD and an SDD and some basic standard mobo so far.

Never used Jet before. It says 15% off first three orders, is there a wait time between orders?

>>59855459
oh an the cpu is i5-7500 if that's worth mentioning

>>59855458
Screen artifacts even on safe mode -> fried GPU 99% of the times. I'd try to swap in any disposable old GPU to make sure.

>>59855459
G4560 + 1050ti, you don't need any more to play HOTS.

>>59855459
Drop the PSU to 550W, we're no longer in the 220W+ CPU and housefire GPU era.

Also, the i5 line is kill, get him an R5 1500X. Couple it with a Radeon 470 or 480 8GB depending on how much you can stretch your budget and you have a winner system.

>>59855499
Okay, thanks. That's what I suspected, but didn't want to necessarily admit it to myself. If I simply remove the card and see if onboard GPU on the mobo works, would that be a confirmation too?

>>59855459
I'm pretty sure even an RX460 or 1050 will run HotS on ultra, but I'd recommend neither.

Did you bother googling "heroes of the storm benchmarks" to find the appropriate GPU?
Just get a 1500X or 1600 and RX470 if his budget allows. If not, a 1050 or 460 whichever is cheaper they're the same thing.
Those sorts of games are so low requirements.

>>59855523
the iGPU on the g4560 alone should be good for HotS. Not maxed, but still.
Don't recommend 1050Ti for non-ITX builds. The performance/$ on it is awful.

>>59855459
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GB2zRG

This is overkill for HOTS but it'll serve him for other games too. Anything lower than an RX 470 don't bother. Just get the G4600 for the better integrated graphics and use that instead.

>>59855532
Yep, make sure to activate it again in the BIOS and connect your monitor directly to the mobo.

>>59855523
Will that CPU be enough for when he wants to branch out into bigger games like Skyrim or Witcher?

Also PSU is something I don't like to skimp out on. Plus the one I'm looking at on PCpicker is fully modular so thats a bonus.

>>59855570
get DDR4 2400 and a seasonic PSU.

The cheapshit Corsairs PSUs are garbage now days since they changed manufacturers.
That's the shit these jews pull. They make a new PSU model with Seasonic making them, get good reviews on them, then change manufacturers to rip people off.

>>59855595
>Will that CPU be enough for when he wants to branch out into bigger games like Skyrim or Witcher?
No. Get a 1500X or 1600 minimum there.

But if all you play is Dota2, LoL, HotS, CSGO, and shit like that, a G4560 is fine. Those games are highly optimized for potato PCs. Skyrim too since it's so old.
Witcher 3, especially with mods, will take a huge dump on the G4560.

>>59855595
https://youtu.be/NdCI9xNd0Fc

It'll be fine.

Also you can get a lower wattage power supply and still get one that's modular. What we're saying is that PCs don't require as much power now. Get a high quality 450w power supply and save the money, high wattage PSUs are a jew trick these days.

>>59855621
1400 is worth getting if you can find those sales where they're $20 off, so $150.
Otherwise, the extra $20 for the 1500X is well worth it.

People are hitting 3200mhz memory on the 1500X way easier than the 1400. Twice the cache. Better overclocks. Way better stock clocks.

scraping the barrel to get good parts
>6700,480,256ssd $932
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jswCkT
z mobo for coffee lake k later on.
>R5 1600, 580, 512/2tb $996 or less
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kg2zRG

>>59855652
>z mobo for coffee lake k later on.
Coffee lake is most likely coming on a new socket. If you want a future-proof mobo go for the AMD build

>>59855574
Any recommendation for a middle of the pack card?

>>59855632
>dropping below 60fps
>ever
Depends on your standards.
Yeah the value combination of the g4560+rx470 is massive if you can tolerate dropping below 60fps at times.

>>59855652
The twice as large SSD is going to be way longer in the long run.
You'll likely keep your SSD for 10 years unless it fails. You won't keep your CPU that long.

It seems likely that zen2 or zen3 will have something like a 10% IPC increase and 10% higher clock speeds which will be easier to upgrade than the hassle of upgrading SSD.
And while the 1600 is going to be lower FPS on average, it'll have more CPU to spare.

I also wouldn't recommend the locked 6700 over the 7700 if you do go that route because you can't change the stock clocks and the 7700 stock clocks are so, so much better.
Good builds, besides that one detail.

>>59855673
RX470 4GB or RX480 8GB. Don't bother with the 480 with only 4GB or the 1060, mid-range nvidia ages like milk.

>>59855677
Most games now have negligible differences between medium-high-ultra so I don't mind dropping settings to maintain 60fps+ especially with retarded shit like tessellation where they make some signpost incredibly complex when it doesn't need to be. But that's just me.

Witcher is a prime example of lower settings having very little difference to ultra although modded Witcher is a different story.

>>59855692
Okay, I think I'll pick up RX 480 today since the store near me has that on stock. Thanks mate

>>59855692
While I would normally agree that mid-range Nvidia ages like milk. Like from the 560, 660, 760, 960, they're all pretty garbage after just a year, it does look like the 1060 is going to age better than usual.
Still, the RX470 and RX480 are better buys without any argument most of the time. The one argument is if someone only plays a handful of games that are massively Nvidia favored with a 144hz monitor.

>>59855711
>Most games now have negligible differences between medium-high-ultra so I don't mind dropping settings to maintain 60fps+
I agree, except lowering settings rarely affects CPU usage. It affects GPU usage mainly.
The G4560 will still drop under 60fps on low settings with a 1080Ti in many of those games there.

i need a bedside laptop under $600 for netflix/reading the news when i wake up. can somebody recommend something? would be great if it doesn't get hot as fuck when it's on your lap.

Ryzen time, bitches!
Just don't know whether to buy 1600 or 1600X and which mobo.
I want to keep this PC at least 5+ years before the next big upgrade, so long term reliability and some OC potential is mandatory.
Unfortunately B350 boards have generally not so good VRM, but 24/7 stable 3.8 or 3.9 should be doable while maintaining reasonable temps.
FYI the VRM data i found: https://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/f12/am4-mainboard-vrm-liste-1155146.html
The other thing important to me beside decent VRM and long term reliability is sound, my old PC doesn't have the best and my laptop has static, fuck this.

So.. i was looking at the Asus Prime B350-Plus which has good VRM and Asus is generally a good mobo brand, but sound on it sucks ass;
the MSI Tomahawk, imho MSI is a sketchy brand, but sound is good, VRM shouldn't be an issue and the POST/boot problems seem to be fixed;
the Gigabyte (((GAMING))) 3, which has the best sound in class, decent VRM but idk about Gigabyte anymore in 2017, seems they care more about muh gaymen snakeoil and LEDs than actual quality;
and last but not least the ASRock Pro4 (or whatever it's called), looks decent but other options seem more appealing.

Which one would you choose? Also, would you get the 1600 or the 1600X?

>>59855785
Wait for Raven Ridge, man. Those are going to be godly for laptops.

The reason Ryzen is slightly disappointing for desktops is because they chose to stick with one manufacturing process that's ideal for servers and laptops. Extremely good performance/watt but at bit lower clock speeds.
It's clearly going to be a huge leap forward in laptop performance and battery life. But they aren't coming until Q3 or Q4.

>>59855677
Thanks for the tips My gut said wait for the 580 benches and get a 1600+ I want a stick of gum drive.
I'm not a high refresh guy anyways.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RTXh8K

For shits I knocked the i7 down to the lowest acceptable spec, some decent prices. Ram was the cheapest.

>>59855785
Ask thinkpad general.

>>59855809
I don't think anyone would regret either getting the 1600 or 1600X.

The 1600 is significantly cheaper. The 1600X is still cheap, but will overclock (or underclock at lower voltages) like 3-7% better.
Just flip a coin if you have to. idk.

>https://www.hardwareluxx.de/community/f12/am4-mainboard-vrm-liste-1155146.html
Nice link. But seems inaccurate? I keep hearing the Taichi has 16 phase VRMs and the Prime is 10. This certainly doesn't match up.

>so long term reliability and some OC potential is mandatory.
No Ryzen OC amazingly. But they're cheap to overclock. The big benefit is just the platform, AM4, that'll make upgrading easier than needing a new motherboard after 2 years like with Intel.

The 7nm Ryzen on IBM's process are expected to hit at least 10% higher clock speeds which is a bigger deal than any OC you can attempt.

>but sound on it sucks ass;
Get a USB DAC. Onboard can never compare. Too much noise in a case.

> ASRock Pro4
I'm probably getting the mATX version of this if it's ever in stock. I like how the x1 PCI is above the GPU so you can actually use them together with a 2 or 3 slot card. And ASRock seems to be so solid now days.
I'd prefer the ASRock Extreme 4 if they ever make it for Ryzen soon enough, though...

>>59855839
The 6700 is so gimped by all that other shit, then.
For Intel value, best to go cheap $90 Z270 + 3000-3200 RAM + locked 7700. I don't think that cooler is much better than stock if at all.

>>59855785
This is PC build general, not normie Facebook machine general.

>>59855671
Future proofing isn't real mongoloid

Will locked i7-7700 be better for gaming at 1080p@144Hz than R5-1600 if I want to buy gtx1070?

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>>59855692
>>59855574
>>59855499
By the way here's a reference picture of the artifacts when viewing a film. The system works when there's no drivers installed.

will the modular 520W Seasonic PSU be enough for a R5 1600/RX 480 build? pcpartpicker says the consumption should be ~312W

>>59855916
>What is getting a mid-range CPU now and pop in whatever high end stuff releases in 2019-2020 when the socket is still relevant
>What is having to throw absolutely everything to the garbage bin when you want to upgrade in 2-3 years because you bought into a dead platform.

I have 4170 & 285. Would i benefit more from cpu or gpu upgrade?

>>59856058
Oh wow it didn't reproduce the artifacts from a print screen. Just imagine that there's red and green coloured lines going across the horizontal axis of the pic.

>>59856072
Should be okay for stock settings. Consider 650w for overclocking.

>>59856072
I'm sure it is, 3770k and 390 on a SS 550

>>59855785
a chromebook wouldnt be too bad

Is a FX-8350 good for a budget CPU?

>>59856258
Get a R5 1400 or wait for the R3 line. Maybe the Bentium if you're on a poorfag-tier budget.

>>59856258
Maybe if you can get it for $70? The multi-threaded performance is still pretty decent. But Ryzen has made Bulldozer almost completely pointless. AM3+ is pretty much nearing its "end of life." No reason buying an AM3+ mobo at this point.

>>59855874
>The 1600 is significantly cheaper. The 1600X is still cheap, but will overclock (or underclock at lower voltages) like 3-7% better.
Did you already count in the probably better silicon lottery ticket you buy with the X version?
I think i get the X version for better lottery ticket and i'll probably go with an aftermarket cooler anyways since it tends to get oven hot in summer here.

>I keep hearing the Taichi has 16 phase VRMs and the Prime is 10. This certainly doesn't match up.
Yes, seems to be off on the ASRock mobos, they use a different layout, as always, but the rest seems fairly accurate, at least from what i know.

>No Ryzen OC amazingly. But they're cheap to overclock. The big benefit is just the platform, AM4, that'll make upgrading easier than needing a new motherboard after 2 years like with Intel.
>The 7nm Ryzen on IBM's process are expected to hit at least 10% higher clock speeds which is a bigger deal than any OC you can attempt.
I know Ryzen hits a brick wall at 4.1GHz unless you want to go LN2 for your 5 minute fame time. My target is stable 24/7 3.8 or 3.9 as i said, which shouldn't be too much of a problem.
Say i get the MSI Tomahawk, pair it with Trident Z b-die and a Thermalright TRUE 140 or Noctua NH-U14S, imho i should be able to achieve my 3.9 with 3200 memory.
About the 7nm Ryzen, when is it expected? After 2020 on the next platform, or still on AM4?

>Get a USB DAC. Onboard can never compare. Too much noise in a case.
Don't feel like spending 200 bucks for an O2, i can live with "just good" sound, it doesn't have to be perfect, it's just that my current onboard isn't that good.

Need advice on a cheap psu, I can get a CX 450-M or Integra M 550w for the same price.
Which one is better?

>>59856346
msi b350 tomahawk, r7 1700 + thermalright macho rev. b owner here

I bought a-data xpg z1 16gb (2x8) rated at 3000mhz and overclocked it to 3200mhz, stable

>>59856414
Nice, i'm looking at a similar setup.
I also looked into the Macho Rev. B, but seemingly it gets beaten by the TRUE 140 in most tests???? Kinda confusing since its much bigger and doesn't lack heatpipes.
For RAM, i'll probably get Corsair LPX or G.Skill Ripjaws V or Trident Z, hopefully i get a Samsung b-die kit for not stupid prices, i 100% want to reach 3000/3200 on RAM.
What are your idle and load temps btw?

>>59856459
idle is around 30-35c, load (cinebench) just barely reaches 60c, never gets to 65c+

keep in mind the cpu is at 3.9ghz @ 1.325v

>>59856352
Both are pretty similar in mediocrity. Between these, go for the one with the higher wattage. At least they aren't no-name psus.

>>59856480
Temps are reasonable for 3.9GHz @1.325V. Man... eastern comes one week early, there's no way they'll ship it until thursday evening unless i pay good goy taxes. Really looking forward to upgrade my 7 year old Nehalem.

cool

>>59856519
I also managed to oc it to 3.8ghz @ 1.3 with the stock cooler, never went above 85c under load

>>59856508
>Between these, go for the one with the higher wattage
Alright. Thanks!

Budget: $4-600
Purpose: I'm looking to upgrade my PC, primarily the PSU, fan, SSD and GPU. Possibly the CPU.
Specs: x2 GTX 760 in SLI, Corsair Builder Series ATX/EPS 80 PLUS CX600, Intel i5 4670k @ 3.4GHz, 465GB Samsung SSD 840 Series ATA Device. I don't remember what my fan is.

What should I get? I don't know at what point would I be better off replacing my two graphic cards with a single higher-end one.

>>59856600
>never went above 85c under load
That's way to hot for me. I want a silent case that probably will increase temps by a few degrees anyways, i live under the roof (= feels like oven) and therefore need some custom cooler.
But honestly, that's a good result for a stock cooler, Intels stock cooler would have melted.

>>59856635
>replacing my two graphic cards with a single higher-end one.
Yep, that's your highest priority. Everything else can hold for a while longer.

>>59856699
yeah, it was hot, but it definitely held it's ground, which can't be said about intel stock coolers

>>59856635
replace gpus, oc 4670, I wouldn't have switched to the r7 1700 from my 4670 if I hadn't gotten jewed by the non-K (no overclocking) variant

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Not sure if anyone from the old post is still here... But I did some research/lurking and made some changes to my first plan.

I'm building a casual gaming unit so I dont need insane specs, but I do want to experiment with overclocking etc. I think I'm happy with everything but the motherboard, I'm not really sure what to go with or even if what I've picked is compatible (pc-specs.com wont tell me what r5 is compatible with). I picked the RX460 over a 1060, mostly because its 100 bucks cheaper and seems to better in general.

SSD is coming later, as is optical drive. Building in Australia, would like to keep the price around where it is now if not cheaper.

Thoughts?

>>59856815
make sure your memory is on the motherboard supported list

>>59856815
wait what the fuck, why do you have a Z270 motherboard for an AMD cpu?

Z270 is for intel CPUs

>>59856815
Ok, let's go one by one
- You don't need 750W, scale down to 500-550W
- Get at least an RX 470
- Consider an SSD for the OS
- Look for a motherboard with B350 chipset, those are the ones compatible with Ryzen.
- lurk moar

>>59856815

>140 dollar 750 PSU.

You need 550W at most, and you can spend a lot less. Your RAM is overpriced too.

RX 460 is trash, get an RX 470 instead which is twice as fast for only a few bucks more.

THAT MOTHERBOARD DOESN'T EVEN GO WITH AMD CPU'S LMAO.

>>59856815
If this isn't a troll post, get a prebuilt system, you have absolutely ZERO idea of what you're doing.

>>59856835
>>59856843
was going z270 with original build. Knew I needed to change it, I just dont know what to haha..
>>59856847
Thankyou (always lurk moar)

I'm looking at something like this for 1080/60 but I would like to upgrade beyond that in about a year.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/f9cNjc
I'm not sure about the mobo and the power supply.

I have a mATX gigabyte gaming-3. There should be no problem with having a gpu and a pie card, right? They design them so all ports are usable?

>>59856869
You're right, I am totally new to this. Just trying to learn and it's working.

>>59855021
i5 7600k & GTX 1060 6gb, purpose: vidya.

>>59856909
Obviously not. You just threw some random parts together in hope they'd work, which they cleaely don't.
Either you fuck off and do some research on this topic or pay the good goy taxes for a prebuilt.
This general is not your personal tech support and you should not expect anyone here to spoon feed you if you lack any interest in the topic whatsoever.

>>59856953
>i5 5% better in games
>r5 ~35% better in everything else
>1060 will bottleneck anyways
>b-but muh games!

I wouldn't care about you screwing yourself over, if it wasn't for you screwing everyone over by supporting a monopoly.

>>59857007
>gets one component wrong
>is throwing spaghetti on the wall
ok

>>59855476

Read the OP cuck

/g/ I need help trying to figure this out.

If I am a retarded gayming cuckshitter and absolutely want 144hz gayming, are there any alternatives to 7700k ?

I fucking hate intel, but I want to feel that 144hz gayming mayne...

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Lads i'm upgrading my rig(pic related). I already bought rx 480(i had r9 280x). Thinking about buying r5 1600. So question is what should i buy for motherboard? Gigabyte B350 Gaming 3, ASRock AB350 Pro4 or Tomahawk? Also can you suggest compatible 3000 or 3200Mhz ram? And can my current Zalman ZM600-LE Psu handle overclocked gpu and cpu?

>>59857132
The point of 144Hz is not topping that framerate, it's usually to pair your build with a Free/G-Sync monitor and try not to have your minimum framerate in the shitter or all over the place for which Ryzen is as good as intel, if not better in some titles.

>>59857074
Read the rest of the thread.

It was resolved and already discussed.

>>59857174
so ryzen 1700 OC + freesync monitor for that sweet butter smoothness ?

What's XMP and what does it do? Do I need to enable it for gaming?

>>59857186
It would be a good option, yes. I'm building my new Ryzen exactly for that scenario this afternoon and will report results later. My 3570K was not a very good overclocker (anything above 4.2 isn't stable without crazy voltages and temps) and honestly already felt like a stuttery mess when trying to push more intensive games beyond 80-90 FPS. The average framerate was there but the smoothness was not, and the fact that I use discord and other garbage in the background was discouraging me to "upgrade" to 4c/8t on intel for a premium price.

didn't know if this belonged in the stupid questions general or not, but do I have to/is it recommended to get 2x8 with RAM if I'm looking at an 8gb GPU, or does it not matter?
budget is currently a concern so I was thinking of getting 2x4 since the most strenuous activities for the machine will just be gaymen and I only really need 8, but I've been told dual channel is better for performance and I'll probably wind up buying one 8gb stick and another later if the answer to my question above is yes

What ryzen mobo should i pick up? what brand?

word around the /g/uild says that asus is trash, asrock is okay, and MSI boards catch fire.

what about gigabyte? Biostar? help

>>59857186
Freesync and gsync is based on GPU, not CPU.

>>59857055
>too lazy or too stupid to use a filter
>defending this behaviour
You must be milenial.

>>59857315
8gb in a dual channel if enough for gaming

I guess it's not really clever to get a 100$+ liquid cooler for a mid range CPU while you could just take the next best CPU in the line with a 50$ air cooler or am I missing something here?

>>59857414
I know aye, but does it matter if I'm looking to pair it with an 8gb video card?
I've checked everywhere for an answer which probably means the answer is no and it's a stupid question, but I don't know whether 8gb cards only accept or are more acceptable of 8gb sticks

>>59857428
aftermarket cpu coolers nearly always work universally unless otherwise stated, as long as your aio watercooler doesn't fucking explode or die by the time you upgrade, it can be considered a good investment.

100 dollar aio on a mid range cpu just means cooler temps 4 u, and more OC potential.

>>59857428
CLCs are a meme unless you buy top of the line ones with 28mm length. The rest will do a marginally better job than air coolers half their price and the pump will sound like a broken motorcycle engine a couple of years down the line.

>>59857451
>>59857457
Thanks for the input. I just doubt that the OC potential from a 50$ more expensive cooler is great enough that it can beat taking a 50$ more expensive CPU. If I go for a Ryzen 1600X such a water cooler would probably be overkill.

>>59857506
watercoolers themselves aren't a meme. a 240mm rad 100 dollar corsair all in one is going to reduce cooling by a fuck ton compared to one of those big ass noctua tower things. you gotta remember when it comes to cooling, there's a huge difference between 44c, and 49c during light load, and so forth. the small increases do matter.

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I was planning on building a decent pc, but the budget I have is a bit stricted ($500~). Any tips or recommendations?
It's my first time, so I may be a bit retarded with this stuff.

>>59857446
what ever video card you use 8gb will be good.
ram does not depend on the video card

>>59857594
Have you even looked at the OP? Read it and consider working on your build.

>>59857668
checking out at the moment, thanks

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Rate?
Graphics Card, Hard Drives are placeholders for a more accurate wattage
I already bought the cpu

There's no point to get B250 mobo over H270, right?

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Current build:
CPU: G4600 @ 2400mhz ram
GPU: RX 460 4gb

I use it to play on a 720p monitor but can get solid 90fps in overwatch @1080p with max settings and renderscale

Would an rx 470/570 be enough to get to 144hz @1080p?

>>59858046
Go 550W tops on the PSU, it's not 2011 anymore.

>>59858140

do you overclock that chip? as in, downgrade BIOS and overclock it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiw2r-_AdGM

im interested. all I want to do is play vanilla WoW at 1080p 144hz and all the total war series on the same specs.

How do I make decision between 1600 and 1600X. What to I get for the added $40 on the X?

I know 1600 can hit 1600X performance with an overclock. Does this invalidate any reason to get 1600X?

>>59858272
I don't overclock it, using a cheap b150 mobo desu so i can't.
The chip itself is great as is to be ache

>>59858370
1600 is the best bang for your buck performance wise.

>>59856078
Yeah but odds are that the latest sockets won't be relevant in 5 years

>>59858472
I'm wondering if there is an appreciable difference between the two (taking OC into account). At this price difference, I can take a small hit on performance/dollar if I get better overall performance.

>>59858572
The value/price comparison is awful when talking about the 1600x since it doesn't come with a stock cooler like the 1600. If you plan on buying a 1600x+ aftermarket cooler you might as well upgrade to a 1700 sine you are reaching that price point anyways.

>>59858723
Oh, are people overclocking the 1600 on stock cooler?

>>59858734
The 1600 seems to be able to reliably reach a fixed 3.7GHz with the included cooler.

>>59858763
Thanks. I wasn't aware. 1600 might just be the choice for me, then.

Is 7700 non-K worth it?

reminder that rx570/80 listings are up on b&hphotovedio and we're just a few days away from a vega release so hold off on those builds.

What are the currently recommended B350 motherboards?

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Hell yes my dudes

Any particular reason Ryzen has no igpu?

>>59858876
Die space

>>59858865
what kind of RAM is that

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600 3.2GHz 6-Core Processor ($218.88 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME B350M-A/CSM Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($88.49 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Kingston HyperX Fury Black 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory ($58.98 @ PCM)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($47.88 @ OutletPC)
Case: Fractal Design Define Mini C MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($74.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($36.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $526.11

What do you think of this as a budget development build? I have an SSD and old graphics card around.

How is this build?
>CPU: Ryzen 5 1600
>Cooler: BeQuiet Pure Rock
>Video card: ASUS ROG Strix Radeon RX 480 Gaming (8 GiB)
>Mainboard: ASUS Prime B350-Plus
>Case: Phanteks Eclipse P400 Midi-Tower Tempered Glass
>PSU: 500W Be Quiet! Pure Power 9 80+ Silver
>RAM: 16 GiB DDR4-2666
>SSD: 256 GB M.2 PCIe NVMe
>Warranty: 2 years

http://www.arlt.com/PC/Komplett-PCs/ARLT-Mr-Gamer-SSD-AMD-Ryzen-R5-16GB-RX480.html

>>59857251
Another anon here. Going the Ryzen 1700 route as well. What Freesync monitor did you go with?

>>59859013

Get faster RAM.

>>59857317
ASUS is only trash because they dropped the ball on launch and had shit BIOS and their flagship board (Crosshair Hero) has bugs out the ass. The boards themselves are fine, if not a bit too expensive in some cases. They have a ~$150 x370 chipset board that's worth checking out.

Just finished building my first Pc using HDTV and It's blurry and zoomed out on 1920x1080. It says that 1360x768 is recommend and when I turn it to full HD it becomes blurry and outspaced. What do? Using HDMI

>>59858927
Team, 3000Mhz

>>59859181
Because HD is a retarded marketing term meant to obscure what the actual resolution is and so you probably have 720p HD instead of "Full HD" 1080p.

>>59855021
Belgium here, trying to re-purpose an old, cheap, pre-built desktop (2012, 500€, acer). Right now it's got:
>CPU: intel pentium g630
>GPU: nvidia geforce 405
>PSU: 250W
>RAM: 4GB DDR3
>HDD: 500GB
>MOBO: couldn't tell but i'm pretty sure it's a microATX form factor and it fills up the whole case

I'd like to turn it into a desktop/server hybrid that i can access through something like team viewer, so that I can use heavier programs like unreal engine, blender, visual studio, matlab and solidworks from my laptop, or work directly on this computer. I'd also like to store my media on it, for the same purpose.

First off: is this idea retarded? Should i just get a workstation laptop? The idea was to have a lot of computing power yet increased portability and battery life, at the expense of being limited to working with an internet connection at all times.
Second: what components should I replace?
1000€ budget, the less the better.

>>59859215
Even when I switch to 720p it's the same stuff. Tv worked fine with my Ps4 and it said 1080p 60hz

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Reposting from last thread since I was looking for more feedback.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/mktNjc

Putting the final touches on the build:
>Should I switch from EVGA to SeaSonic for the PSU?
>I need a good HDD. Something quiet, 2-3TB, 7200RPM.
>These ASRock Motherboards are hard to find. Will they be back in stock anytime soon or are they the Nintendo of the mobo realm?

Thoughts on Fractal Design Define R4? I could get one for 87$.

>>59859377

It is one of only two /g/ approved cases for a reason (the other is the R5).

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https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/ZHxTRG

SSD/HDD from old system. For 1080 gaming mostly. 144hz monitor, so getting consistent high fps is a priority.
Is the PSU enough for the build, if I aim to oc the CPU?
How is the mobo, any better alternatives or is Asrock fine?
Could also get a MSI 480 for 10 less, or better wait for the 5xx altogether?

>>59855785
macbook air

Rate my build: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/s9RqgL

Have peripherals in there too. Rate them as well.

>>59859513

For that GPU price you can find an R9 Fury which will outperform it by a good 15~20%.

PSU is fine.

I dont know enough about AMDs Secret plan with Vega but

Lets say I can get a GTX1080 from a friend for 400usd, should I take that offer now and Forget about AMD?

How well will this get me on 1440p?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/k9LbD8

>>59859665
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/k9LbD8

biggest issue i see is that you have an unlocked cpu paired with a locked motherboard.

2nd issue, that motherboard will only work out of the box with Skylake CPU's.
You would need a Skylake CPU in the socket to install the Motherboard Bios Updates for it to be Compatible with KabyLake cpus.

>>59859759
What motherboards are unlocked?

>>59859656
tell him 350 or suck a nut

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So Level1Techs did a double blind and both intel systems were "less smooth" in the double blind test, albeit by an almost indiscriminate margin.

Anandtech also captured a difference in performance with i5s.

Is it officially time to stop recommending any i5/i7? Including for gaming?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybF7r4rogHc

Honest opinions in this please: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/rsZrXH
This will replace my old Nehalem as hybrid gaming/workstation, i chose the R5 because it's the sweatspot for me and i neither need nor want 8 cores, for now.
I'm kinda set on this, my only concerns are 1600 VS 1600X and if the mobo is the right choice, i never had MSI before and i read about the POST issue, although it seems to be fixed.
So what do you think.. Should i pull the trigger on this?

>>59859656

350 max or he can go fuck himself. But Vega is going to be end april/early may so probably worth the 2 week wait.

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>>59858865
>My mobo is arriving next week.
>all my other components are arriving this week

>>59859181
Anyone?

>>59859834

Save on your PSU and bump to an RX 480.

>>59859870
I already have the RX470, had to buy it a few month ago because my GTX460 finally died.
I'll stick with the RX470 until something better comes around and upgrade to 1440p with a better GPU, but thanks.
Anyways, how does the rest look? What do you think about mobo & 1600X?

>>59858876
>asking why AMD is selling cheap, gimped, and useless shit
Do you really have to ask?

>>59859793
Z170 and Z270 motherboard for Intel Cpus are the only ones that allow overclocking. (ignoring X99)

B150, H110, H170 dont.

there will be a lot of performance from that CPU that you simply wont get out of it.

>>59859934

Just snatch a 1600, X variants are entirely pointless. Motherboard is a solid choice.

>>59858876
because it's a CPU.

>>59859819
>that video

I love how they clearly noticed some problems with the Intel systems during the blind test but then also went to extreme lengths to minimize it so that they wouldn't upset any fanbois.

>>59859952
Well I picked up a z270 one after that first post and it seemed to be ok now, changed the case to FD R5

>>59859648
Why won't anyone rate my build?

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>>59859835
>>59859813

my "friend" is ebay..... and 400 is what they keep going for. 400-430usd. Which is around the same price as a Cool and Quiet gtx1070.

the hunt for deals is trial of great patience

>>59857144
HELP ME NIGS! i need help please..

>>59860029
all of amds stuff is in flux. to much change to quick. no idea what works. i think Gskill is the only one that has compatible ram.

Guys, i'm picking parts for a NAS/HTPC.

I'm stuck picking HDD's. I don't care about speed, but it'll run 24/7 and rarely spin down (my collections are huge). Any suggestions/experience picking a HDD?

>>59859991

You can be damn sure that if you highlight any issues intel has (or has had) right now you can kiss your viewership goodbye. The damage control along with autism on the intel side right now is at an all time high with some very, very salty people doing anyhting to downplay the performance (or if you are so inclined, threat) of ryzen.

Mostly it boils down to people finally realising how badly they have been jewed all these years and are now lashing out to justify it.

>>59859954
>X variants are entirely pointless
Yeah.. OC kinda minimizes the difference, but let's say i OC to 3.8 or 3.9, don't you think XFR will still clock the 1-2 cores it can up to 4.0?

Should I get the skull canyon NUC? I kinda love the compact size. Only games I play are Indies and cities skylines

>>59860154

I might be wrong but I think XFR gets disabled when you overclock.

>>59860154

OC disables XFR and it only works on 1 core with a certain amount of cores parked.

Just OCing even a moderate amount far outweighs XFR if you're running anything with more than even 1 thread, which is pretty much everything these days.

Is it better to buy five 128GB flash drives and RAIDZ1 them, or use a single 512GB SSD in BTFRS?

>>59860075
what about my psu? is it enough? that's the most important question for me.

I need a new mouse. What's a good mouse?

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>>59860239

>>59860239
G400s for GOAT, G402 if you can't find one.
G302 is OK too but looks like shit.

>>59860029

Yes your PSU can handle whatever. And get any mid/highend B350 board and you'll be fine.

B350 mortar, B350 pro4, prime B350, whatever. They're all good.

>>59860184
>>59860189
Well, that would be absolutely retarded and completely invalidate the X CPUs..
If that's really the case it takes me back to the issue of 1600 vs 1600X, in that case the 1600 being the more reasonable choice, also comes with a cooler.
I doubt the cooler will be fine for 3.8GHz during hot summer days, though.

[rant]
CPUs and cases should both come without any coolers/fans whatsoever so they can be a few bucks cheaper and i can get what i want
[/rant]

>>59860284

The stock cooler should get you to 3.8 under any condition. Also you CAN find them without coolers too.

>>59860284
This does exist, but if this was anything but the absolute norm there would be normalfags burning down houses all over the place.

>>59860284

>Well, that would be absolutely retarded and completely invalidate the X CPUs..

X cpus are guaranteed to hit higher clocks than non X and not everyone overclocks. Its why the 1700 has been flying off shelves - the smart people have been buying it.

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>>59860265
Thank you.

>>59859649
In freedomland maybe, cheapest Fury here is 300.
I'll wait another week to see how rx500 looks.
Is it safe to order the other parts? Possible that rx500 will be extremely power hungry or some other bullshit that would mess up my system?

>>59860461

Even my powerguzzling Fury X OC with Ryzen 7 1700 OC doesnt pull more than 400 at the wall. You're perfectly fine.

>>59860303
>Also you CAN find them without coolers too
Don't see anything and if it's tray then no thanks.

>>59860310
>normalfags burning down houses all over the place
>purge of the normal fags
I see no problem there m8 :^)

>>59860312
>X cpus are guaranteed to hit higher clocks than non X and not everyone overclocks
Seems so, just checked out siliconlottery: https://siliconlottery.com/collections/pga-1331
I'll stick with my good guy ticket for 279€ then and put the brick that the Macho Rev. B is on my Ryzen.


Guess i'll pull the trigger on my build (https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/rsZrXH) and hope the good goy ticket pays off.

>>59860503
>no problem burning kiddies alive
t. Germanfag.

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I've got pic related, built it last year. And I'm intending to upgrade my GFX card. My question is would GTX 1070 OC cause any problems? Or should I get the non OC one?

my video card has started making weird noises... like occasional clicks and squeals...

should i try to blow it out with some canned air? anyone have this happen?

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>>59860542
Lampshades & soap my friend... lampshades & soap.

>>59860503

> Macho Rev. B is on my Ryzen.

You might even be able to passively cool with that heatsink.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hK2TRG

I'm looking to get a new Graphics card, but don't know if I should get a RX480 or a 1070. I mostly just play games and use video editing software (Sony Vegas 13). My GTX 770 isn't able to hold up with games now a days. Also is i7 4770k still a good CPU to continue using?

>>59860656
Idk about OC, but stock sure, that brick is rated for 240W TDP.
Maybe i switch to the 140 Direct which is rated for 200W, although i'm kinda sceptical about the HDT design.

What's the best cheap Ryzen motheroard?
I don't need wifi or dual m.2 and I really don't want any fucking rgb led stripes.

>>59860701
1070 is a decent improvement on a 480 but quite a lot more money, especially in burgerland. 4770k is still fine and you can OC ofc, but if you really want a decent performance increase you could sell your PC with the 770 to some sucker while it still has decent value and get a 1700 which would be much better for video render stuff and put you on a new platform with DDR4 for future upgrade potential.

>>59860762
Depends where you live. Probably an AsRock B250 or whatever A320 if can find one, don't care about overclocking and just want the lowest price possible.

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>>59860845
B350*

R9 or 480 with ryzen?

>>59859648
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/s9RqgL
Don't get an OEM version of an OS
>Consider SSD only for what you budgeted on SSD+HDD combined. Add HDD later once needed
I personally hate logitech peripherals they always break, but to each their own
Only took a quick look

>>59860561
try to get a 1080 if you can
if you really can't, it should be fine.

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>>59860999
That hasn't been true about Logitech stuff for like 10 years now. But yeah, I would pay a lot for a new G5 that would break in a year.

Also only two faggots didn't read the OP and posted i5 builds the whole thread. We did it reddit.

>>59861081
wouldn't break*
time for sleep

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would I even need a new PSU or could I just recycle my 500w from my old build for

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/xzGHKZ

and

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/8MrWCy

pcpp is only giving me 319w for the first one after I removed the 750ti I already own that's in the second one and replaced it with an 8gb 480 that I was thinking about buying
the second one only has 229 volts as well

should I buy a 650w if I'm planning on overclocking the r5 1600 or would the increase in PSU usage still not be near enough to 500 to be a worry?

also r8 and DO NOT bully, I'm on a budget of 1000 european dollarydoos that could be stretched to 1300 if absolutely necessary

>>59858944
pls respond

>>59859144
Sorry, busy building. I have the ASUS MG278Q, best bang for buck when I bought it a year ago or so, and one of the best TN panels you can get. IPS only gives a little bit more contrast but loses on a more limited Freesync range.

So, i'm this anon >>59857251 and I can confirm that with the R5 1600, 90FPS+ is no longer a stuttery mess with frametimes all over the place compared to my old 3570K with mild overclock. 10/10, would recommend again.

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I have 4 sticks of 4GB DDR4 RAM, Asrock H170M Pro4S

I can plug in three sticks. When I plug in the fourth "broken" stick (always the same one) computer won't boot: Black screen, fans spinning, takes long-press to turn off or reboots randomly. Tried various positions.

However, when I plug in the "broken" stick only by itself computer the starts. When I plug in two, the "broken" one is sometimes recognized in BIOS, sometimes it isn't, depending on which stick is in 2nd.

So, faulty RAM or mothjerboard?

Is there an appreciable difference between SATA3 and NVME for day-to-day use? Have you found it worth?

>>59861340
You can handle an R5 1600 and RX 480 8GB at stock settings with a 500w psu. I'd consider getting 650w for nice overclocking on both.

>>59860792
Thanks man. I was thinking of just starting from scratch and building a new one since most of it is pretty old. How much do you think I could sell it for?

>>59861398
>ASUS MG278Q

Thank you for the response but I got in way over my head just even looking at that thing. I haven't done a lot of research on peripherals. Is $500+ dollars normal for 144Hz Freezync stuff? That's over half the price of my computer alone.

>>59861035
Thanks for the response anon. This may sound silly as my processor does not support OC, but again overclocakble GFX card or not? And lastly which edition? I have strix on my mind.

Also forgot to mention that I'm using my rig for gaming.

>>59861467

My magica 8-ball seems to think ram given it seems to be the component that is failing. Chances are its a dying stick and the PC is failing ram training when paired with other modules.

>>59861581
It's 27", 144Hz with full Freesync range and 1440p so it's still top of the line and you get what you pay for but I'm surprised it's still as expensive as last year honestly.

Maybe you can look into other ASUS offerings from the same range in 1080p or 23"? Not really sure about what's available nowadays though.

In case people want to buy the MSI B350 Tomahawk: https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=282868.250
Seems like the POST issue is not resolved yet, but it's down to like 15-30s.

Asus had hude BIOS issues at launch.. idk about now.
MSI POSTs for ages.
Gigabyte BIOSs is not secure and mobos have LEDs all over them.
Biostar... is Biostar.
Seems like Asrock is the only choice left??

>>59861679
>Gigabyte BIOSs is not secure
?

reviews seem aight, what's the issue

I plan to upgrade my fx8320 to the ryzen 1600. I only have money for the CPU+MB+RAM. I plan on keeping my R9 270. Will it be a huge bottleneck in games?

I want to buy the cpu mostly for video editing , but I game occasionaly. Is it a big difference from my current build or should I wait until I have enough money to buy a decent GPU?

>>59861782
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3187264/security/uefi-flaws-can-be-exploited-to-install-highly-persistent-ransomware.html
Only effects two tested models, but still, this should not happen this easy.

>>59861823
You'll have a massive boost for video editing. 8 weak cores to 6 strong cores with 12 threads. Your R9 270 is going to bottleneck you, but it will still benefit you in games (e.g. better minimums). You can get max overclock with cheapest B350. Make sure to get 3000 C15 or 3200 C16 ram. RAM frequency issues will get fixed in May.

>>59861636
Yeah I understand now. Like I said I hadn't really looked into monitors at all but I see that the price tag is more or less warranted.

Just because you're the "monitor guy" right now, do you have any opinions on the Asus VG245H?

I'm using a 26" 1366 x 768 8ms TV right now for my monitor (yeah, I know) and while the bump up to 1080p is definately a boon I feel like a 144Hz monitor is wasted on my bad eyes.

The VG245H is 24.0" (close enough to 26.0" I guess, but might consider going up to 27" if that's standard), 1080P, 1ms resposne time and I think 75hz. Is that worth the ~$150 price tag or should I Wait™ for something with even better performance at a similar or lower price point?

I'm also basing this all off of the assumption that ASUS monitors are more or less one of the best options to get and not a lower tier in quality.

>>59861950
3200 memory really hurts the wallet.

>>59861679
Asrock Pro4 has (3x2)+3 phase probably runs the coolest.
GB Gaming 3 has 4+3 phase and the same 1220 audio that is on most x370 boards, my pick
Asus Prime+ has 4+2 phase and lower spec audio chip vs other b350. Only get this if you need the 8x8 xfire
>>59861782
muh cp

>>59862053
I got 16GB of it for only $90. The only significant differences are binning and warranty. Grab the cheapest 3000 or 3200 and wait for compatability updates in May.

>>59859315
Anyone?

>>59861987
Well, I'm not exactly "the monitor guy", just happened to be able to buy the fanciest thing my budget allowed and made a good purchase. The one you mention sounds good for $150. Maybe look for reviews and see what other models they recommend at the same price point. Anything will be an upgrade over the TV you're using now honestly.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/zyG2nn
It's in Canuck Bucks, and I own absolutely no spare parts aside from peripherals do I need anything else, can I cut cost somewhere?

Samsung 960 250GB SSD + Western Digital 2TB HDD for ~$250

or

Samsung 960 500GB SSD for $249.99

>>59859315
best just to replace the whole thing.

>>59862352
Get the higher capacity SSD. You can always get a 2TB HDD later.

>>59862352
Neither. Get a 500GB SATA SSD and the HDD instead.

>>59862361
Alright, thanks. Maybe I could get this https://www.2ememain.be/informatique-jeux-vid%C3%A9o/bureautique/pc-complet/intermediate-gaming-pc-g3258-gtx960-6gb-ram-1tbhdd-341819282.html? Good deal?

>>59862521
b-but muh extremely fast boot times

>>59862513
Yeah those were my thoughts. I can save up another $150 or so for the HDD later.

>>59855021
>G4560 + GTX1050 2GB (poor)
>AMD R3 + RX470 4GB (budget)
>AMD R5 + 1060 6GB (mainstream)
>i7 7700K + GTX1070 (enthusiast, 144Hz monitor or 1440p)

just bought this Viewsonic XG2401 14hz GOYMING monitor on amazon.
anyone currently using this in portrait mode? how bad is the TN saturation/gamma/brightness variance from left to right?

https://www.amazon.com/ViewSonic-XG2401-FreeSync-Monitor-DisplayPort/dp/B01A0ZRR50/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1492029322&sr=8-1&keywords=ViewSonic+XG2401

>>59862110
Do you know about RAM compatibility on the boards, especially the ASRock one?
According to the official QVL lists they dont support fast RAM, whereas the Tomahawk does for example.

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do pcie slots in motherboards change the performance of the graphics card?
I bought a pre built Dell for cheap with i7 so i decided to install a 1050 ti on it
motherboard is from Dell

Can someone explain how an M.2 SSD works? I keep reading that they "take up" SATA ports? But they don't have a SATA connection so is it just physically disabled on the mobo for some reason?

For instance if I have a mobo with an M.2 PCIe3.0 x 4 slot and like..8 SATA ports, after plugging in the M.2 SSD to the M.2 slot do I only get to use 6 of the SATA ports?

>>59862314
You might be able to save a significant amount of money by swapping to 500W 80+ Bronze PSU. Also I hate windowed cases, so wouldn't have to bother with white on the inside if you switched to a windowless case, would would be cheaper on both counts.

>>59862352
For 512GB SSD + 2TB HDD I would budget 200USD at most

>>59861823
Personally I'd hold on to the FX8320 or get the R7 1700. I don't think you're going to see a huge bump going from the 8320 to the 1600, but check benchmarks

>>59861467
RAM

>>59862571
>AMD R5 + 1060 6GB (mainstream)
>not RX480

>>59862634
http://rymem.vraith.com/
2933 working on most if not all now. May update for higher mem speed compatibility according to AMD community update.

>>59862786
>rx 480
>not rx 580 in 6 days

>>59862786
The RX480 is shit compared to the 1060. The 1060 beats it in 8 out of every 10 games for both DX11 and DX12, even some in Vulkan. There's no reason to buy the 480 or the upcoming 580.

>>59862724
No. Get a used 24" 1080p monitor for $50

>>59862739
Pretty sure the lanes get taken from one of the PCIe slots, not SATA. Mobo specs will have the details

>>59860998
R9 is a dumb idea period, with the possible exception of a used 380x.. haven't checked prices in a while

>>59860701
CPU is great, you might overclock to 4GHz.
If you have a 1440p monitor, GTX1070

>>59860582
Probably have to to replace the fan to stop the squeals. The problem is with the ball bearing, so graphite or a small, small amount of lubricant might help. Not sure if it's possible to only replace fan; you might have to replace the whole cooler

>>59860561
Get a 1060 6GB but make sure the PSU has a 6-pin PCIe power connector

>>59860239
Just bought a G602 for $35

>>59862893
Prices will take a minute to stabilize

>>59862988
Not shit, but I'd say between 8GB 480 and 6GB 1060 the 1060 wins.

>>59862988
Ryzen synergises with AMD cards. Which makes sense.

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Looking to finally upgrade off my old i5 760. If anyone has any input regarding the Motherboard/ram combo choices I would love to hear it.

>>59863088
>have to buy a shit CPU to make a shit GPU less shitty
kek, no one's falling for that.

>>59863115
8 GiB of RAM are barely enough for browsering. If you multitask or do any productive work then you should have at least 32 GiB.

>>59863121
Then you should have just said R5 was shit from the start, genius.

>>59863141
Not him but I have 8GB RAM, a shitload of Chrome tabs open, 3D modelling software and several other miscellaneous programs running and I get about 80% memory usage.

Anecdotal, but I think that it should use an update. 32GB is sort of pricy and I imagine the guy is trying to save on money since he considered 2x4 in the first place.

For 80% more cost he can double the capacity to 16GB and get plenty of RAM for a modest user. We're not at the 32GB range for casual users yet at all.

>>59863141
Nigga what? 2x4gb is a shit pick but 4Gb is ample for browsing, I'm sitting at 1Gb use with a 15hour uptime browsing with ~15+ tabs open, and a media player, and a few documents in use.

>>59863115
Make sure the memory is compatible with mobo. You'll probably be able to find the list on the mobo manufacturer's website. There's been some weird RAM stuff with Ryzen. 2133 and 2666MHz are the numbers I've seen thrown around.

Also 2x8GB is cheaper than 2x4GB on a $/GB basis.

>>59863210
You replied to a troll

>>59863224
I'm at 2.2GB. But I've heard that BF1 isn't quite smooth unless 16GB

Going case shopping today

May or may not come back with a core v21

>>59862888
Do you personally trust ASRock? I only have experience with Asus and Gigabyte.
My goal is good sound, stable 3.9 OC and long term reliability until AM5 in 2020.

>>59863225
Thank you very much.

>>59862127
Mind telling me which kid you got?

>>59863058
I see, thank you for the response. I will have to replace my PSU (400W) alongside with the case so I will keep what you mentioned in mind.

DDR4-2666 CAS13, DDR4-2800 CAS14, or DDR4-3000 CAS15?

My legs hurt from crawling around under the table building and debugging my computer

Jesus Christ

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I'm building a PC for applications (photoshop, illustrator, very occasional video editing, etc).

Tell me how I'm retarded, I've never built a PC before

the pm961 I have in here was on sale so I got it

>>59863338
Most warranties are 3 - 5 years

>>59863572
>>>/lgbt/

>>59863734

Forgot to mention I didn't add fans yet (have yet to look into them)

>>59856635
>I don't know at what point would I be better off replacing my two graphic cards with a single higher-end one.
Yes. Your 2 760 together are only going to be about 50-65% as good as a single RX480 and that's when SLI is going and scaling 90%+.

Get a 4790k so you can keep your other stuff without replacing so much. Then either a RX480/580, 1070 if you can find one $325 or less, or you could wait for Vega as it'll probably have a 1070 priced card.

>>59863734
>>59863752
Give me a few minutes
What's your maximum budget?

>>59863734
Get r7 1700

>>59857015
the i5 isn't even 5% better in all games, though. It's worse in a lot of them.

>>59857144
You could just get a 4790k for a lot cheaper.
If you want a 1600/1600X, pick a B350 motherboard and check the RAM compatibility list on the manufacturer's website.

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>>59858865
>tfw motherboard isnt here yet.
better get here before i leave on saturday.

>>59863800

Maybe $2000 if spending that much makes a big difference. The pm961 was $380 and the picture doesn't take that into account so I'm already in for a lot of money

I was looking at the MSI z270 SLI PLUS instead of the rog stix which would save me $60 but I'd have to buy a wifi adapter anyway so it wouldn't be as big a difference at that point

Wendell has spoken: In real life gaming ryzen is not only on par with the 7700k, it's better. The Machines they mentioned stuttering on in the blind test were intel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybF7r4rogHc

what's the /g/ approved HTPC build?

>>59863879
Pentium with integrated gpu

>>59860461
How is 300 euro a bad price for an R9 Fury?
If you're gaming in 1080p, it's not worth it. But for 1440p and 4k it's the bet performance for the money by far still.

>>59860561
1070 would be fine. But their price-performance is pretty crap at $400 especially when you can often find 1080s for $420-$455.
I wouldn't bother spending so much extra for an OC model 1070. Just get one that you can find for $325 or less.

>>59862314
>https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/zyG2nn
Wtf is that PSU price? Not worth it in that build. What do Seasonic 550RM cost in Canada?

>>59862352
Just get the 950 500gb.

>>59862571
R3 ain't out for a while.
I'd probably still recommend the G4560 over the R3 anyway, since SMT doesn't cost a lot more over an R3 unless R3 wind up being under $100 for the cheapest models.

>>59862724
>do pcie slots in motherboards change the performance of the graphics card?
Somewhat. I doubt those are PCIe 3.0 x16 lanes. Why didn't you give the mobo model #? Either way, not enough to be worth buying an old motherboard for that socket for.

>>59863744
Sometime's always the first time i guess. I'll do a little more research on the ASRock boards before i switch to it, planned on getting the Tomahawk.
Imho all Ryzen mobos no matter if X370 or B350 suck ass....

>>59864030
What are you comparing them to when you say they suck ass? What features do they lack?

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I have a p400 I got with an asus motherboard as part of a combo. It has the plastic side panel which is kinda ugly if you ask me. I hit up Phanteks and was like yo I broke the tempered glass on my case so they offered to sell me one for $25 with $25 shipping, so 50 bucks.

Is a tempered glass side panel worth 50 bucks? Do I have any other options? I really do like the case

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>>59863734
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/RX2ZD8
Here, saved about $200 for external storage (which you'll need at some point) for near similar performance
>Xeon E3-1240 v5
There is a v6 version with higher clock speed, but it is no longer overclockable with this motherboard. I think you should be able to reach about 4.2GHz with the 1240 v5 and around 4.6GHz with a 1270 v5 (but that's over $100 more expensive).
>ASRock E3V5
This has an external clock generator, which means you can overclock any Skylake Xeon/Core i CPU with it. I went with a Xeon because the 1240 v5 is cheaper than the i7-7700 and doesn't have an iGPU (which you'll never use).

>>59863508
For what?

If for Ryzen, it hardly cares about latency. Even 3200 at CL18 is perfectly fine and better than 2800 CL14 on it.
For Intel, true latency is most important.

>>59863734
That's a lot of money for not much computer.

>>59863856
>tfw still haven't even bought a motherboard since desired ones aren't available

>>59863879
g4560 unless you can get an i3 or g4620 on sale for a lot, with the iGPU.

>>5986386
>The Machines they mentioned stuttering on in the blind test were intel.
Yeah I don't get this. Why are people noticing stutter even on 4c/8t Intel's that aren't recorded in software?
Everyone seems to say that, not just people who already have AMD, but people that have Intel systems.

This was the same thing with GPUs for a while, where people kept saying they swear their AMD GPUs were stuttering back in like 2011, 2012, and SLI was stuttering.
It took quite some months for people to figure out how to measure what people were seeing. But why can't they measure the same to see that stuttering with intel? Because frametime measurements aren't showing it.

>>59864076
Why does pcpartspicker say there's no m.2 on that board? Looks like there is to me.

>>59864055
I would say definitely not. You're not acctually looking into your PC, on the floor, right?

>>59864055
>Is a tempered glass side panel worth 50 bucks
Sure. If it mounts to the case that is made for the normal door.

> Do I have any other options
Local glass shop. Will probably cost more.

>>59864095
>since desired ones aren't available
taichi?


i got the gaming 5 from gigabyte. figured it was a better deal than the mis gaming carbon, and the taichi is never available

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>>59864127
There isn't. What you're seeing are blanks where the M.2 slot would normally be soldered into for the more expensive C236 motherboard (which is completely sold out). Plus the one I optioned in for you has a heatsink to prevent write-induced thermal throttling, a black PCB to match the motherboard and GPU, and LEDs for bling. There is also this model
https://www.amazon.com/Asus-Accessory-32Gbit-flexibility-Retail/dp/B017YUCAXS/ref=pd_lpo_147_lp_t_3?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=8DDYPH7NEDYX1W275XTF
Which is significantly cheaper, is still black, but has no heatsink.

>>59864153
I want either the mATX Pro4, or I'm hoping ASRock comes out with the Extreme4 mATX for AM4 soon.

>>59864095
>Why are people noticing stutter even on 4c/8t Intel's that aren't recorded in software?

No idea actually. But games benchmarks are generally done in isolation and not with anything running in the background which could make 4c cpus hiccup. Or maybe they're actually not.

The main point here is, ryzens better multicore and cheaper price is very noticeable in reality, gaming disadvantages not so much.

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>>59855021
How'd I do? Machine for school (infosec, sysadmin) and mild gaymen

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wdxksJ

>>59864166
Ok, well the guy had an m.2 drive so that board won't work.

>>59864180
>Or maybe they're actually not
(stuttering)

>>59864138
I stare into my computer all the time. This is the first one I've ever built where I gave a shit about the parts matching and have a window.
>>59864152
Yeah it screws onto the side of the case. It's almost the cost of the whole case which is why I'm being a jew. Thinking about just ordering the high end model, and sending this one back. Newegg wont even notice

>>59864183
But it still would because I included an M.2-to-PCIe adapter, which is technically better thanks to the heatsink.

>>59864041
BIOS issues, RAM issues, B350 lack VRM, X370 is the only way to get decent VRM but for most users the features will be useless, but mainly it's the issues with BIOS, RAM and some oddities like the Tomahawk that POSTs for ages or the initial BIOS problems from Asus boards.
It's the whole package that sucks, Intel boards don't have such massive issues, to me it seems like the mb manufacturers underestimated Ryzens impact and simply threw some shit on the market.

>>59864182
i5 is kill, get a 1600 and you can save the money for the fan too.
Why 32gb ram? Ram prices are inflated now and you probably dont need it.
You dont need more than a 500w psu, save some there.

>>59864076

What are the benefits of the Xeon over the 7700k? Was that chosen for price or performance (or a better ratio for both)?

>>59864252
better price

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>>59864195
I'd get a nicer case with tempered glass, like a Jonsbo one.

>>59863990
Thanks for the response, anon. I'm not from US so the price for me varies between $536 to $685 if I convert the currency. I will of course look for the cheaper alternative I can afford, but thanks for the headsup.

My last question will be is Strix a good choice? I've seen various responses about others (EVGA, MSI, Gigabyte etc.)

>>59864259

Is there any speed lost on the SSD when using an adapter instead of a dedicated m.2 port?

>>59864235
Pic is my build so I've already ascended past buying. RAM is for virtual machines. PSU was for extra headroom so that its not running at or near full capacity, plus it wasn't much more expensive than the 500/550 watt versions.

>>59864277
The ROG Strix 480? It's pretty good.

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>>59864252
Price and you can safely overclock them to similar clock speeds. Plus, you're not paying extra for an iGPU that you'll never use and you can put in ECC UDIMMs and run it as a 24/7 remote workstation with little worry about memory corruption or errors destroying your work. I know a client who has two E3-1280 v5s slaved to a master server as a render farm. He can remote to them from anywhere within his building so long as he's in range of his network's wi-fi.

>>59864206
Don't forget intels x99 launch problems.

Actually, compared to the problems I had with my Asus P8Z77-V PRO (intel 1155), ryzen launch was a breeze.

>>59864299
No, as far as I know, but you may lose the ability to boot from it depending on your system (if it doesn't support it to begin with).

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>>59864299
No, because NVMe is another PCIe protocol designed for storage purposes. You'll note that there is no controller or additional chip on any of the simple PCIe3.0_x4-to-M.2 adapters, and that's because there is nothing more that needs to be added to the board other than the M.2 slot and the traces going to the PCIe connector.

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Posted this in vg but I was wondering if you guys could help me out too...

I decided to upgrade my shitty old gaming PC, but I can't decide between the I5-7600K vs the new Ryzen 1600. I have read countless reviews, posts, etc. I still don't know whats better. I will mostly be gaming on this PC, so I am leaning towards the I5, it is a proven beast.

On the other hand, the Ryzen 1600 is new, has 6 cores, 12 threads, how can I say no to that? I also have a 1070 gtx so I dont know if it will pair well with an AMD cpu. I know buying a 4 core 4 thread CPU NOW would not be the smartest thing, but I mean the i5 is so good, all I ever read about it is good performance, especially on single core games (which I do play a lot.)

For gaming, I mostly play direct x 9,10 and 11 games, not so much 12 yet. I also really love games that are CPU heavy like flight sims, MMOs, huge multiplayer games with 64 players like BF1, etc.

What should I get? I also can only currently afford either the 1600 or the 7600k, nothing more... budget left is around 240 bucks.

>>59864206
Noob here.
RAM issues? You mean they don't make use of the frequencies properly, or something else? I thought the B350M was okay for that.
What about the BIOS? Is VRM a concern for non over-clockers on those boards?

>>59863410
Apacer Commando 3200 C16. Cheesy assault rifle-looking ram. However, some people were able to get it up to 2933 or even 3200 Mhz on their Ryzens. I imagine 3200 will be easier to get after the update in May.

The only issues are that the warranty isn't great, and that it's Hynix ram. Not much to worry about in the grand scheme of things.

Waiting for mobo issues to iron out more before buying cpu and mobo.

>>59864299
no.

>>59864301
Well you fucked up then.
Your system draws ~370w max, with OC.

>>59864333
Pls stop medakaposting

>>59864271
The p400 is definitely nicer looking than that with glass. My phone's camera is not flattering at all, the computer looks completely and totally different irl

>>59864367
The R5 1600 is the overall better cpu. The core problem right now is the supporting hardware is garbage right now.

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>>59864390
okay

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>>59864347
I want a Taichi so bad, yet I want to stick with mATX.

>>59864367
There's very little reason to get the i5. The advantage in close to all games is minimal, especially if you have a 60hz monitor, then it's completely pointless.

The 1600 meanwhile destroys the i5 in MT.

Blus you save $25 on a cooler

>>59864367
> I can't decide between the I5-7600K vs the new Ryzen 1600

should make the decision easy, imo:
>>59855093

Note the CPU utilization.
Game engines, especially older ones, might not fully utilize all 6 cores on the 1600, but it gets similar framerates with tons of CPU left over for other shit to be running in the background like game updates downloading an installing, discord, shitty progressive web apps using too much CPU, etc.

Any R5 should be a no-brainer over any i5.

How do you pick your thermal paste and how often do you change it, /pcbg/?

>>59864432
see >>59855093
as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JypkqwpOtNI

Even in a highly single threaded game like Far Cry primal, it's pushing 90+ fps at 30-45% CPU utilization.

And that's at stock 3.2/3.45ghz speeds.

>>59864370
>RAM issues?
Getting ram to run at higher frequencies has been the problem, yes.

>Is VRM a concern for non over-clockers on those boards
Not really as long as there's a heatsink on them.

>>59864413

Yeah I read about the hardware support, seems really bad... maybe waiting and seeing if they get some updates out is best

on the other hand

>>59864432
>>59864439

You guys convinced me to get the Ryzen. Though I will wait a bit to see if some of the hardware / software issues get sorted out before buying it. thanks.

>>59864468
You don't really need to change paste if you get good stuff.
Artic Silver 5 can't handle high temps before it cakes, though.

Just get NT-H1 or CP7. They're virtually the same.
Gelid GC and some others are like 2-3% better, but they aren't as simple to apply. Others with metals will also scratch, and aren't worth it compared to how well the top end simple pastes work.

>>59864483
What hw/sw issues?
The only major one is that RAM might not run at advertised speeds until some BIOS issues.
The only major software issue seems to be Nvidia's graphics drivers. Which considering you already have a 1070... yeah that sucks.
I think Nvidia will fix them, but it might be worth waiting unless you decide to upgrade to Vega anyway.

>>59864324
Never had interest in X99, but normal consumer segment didn't have any problems as of lately other than Kelvin Lake melting away.

>>59864370
>You mean they don't make use of the frequencies properly
Exactly this.

>What about the BIOS?
Issues depend on manufacturer, but mostly RAM or delayed updated, such as AGESA or 30sec POST on Tomahawk that should take like 5seconds max.

>Is VRM a concern for non over-clockers on those boards?
No.

>>59864514
>The only major software issue seems to be Nvidia's graphics drivers.
And that just means you might get better game performance than in the benchmarks.

When it comes to motherboards, is it worth spending more to have more future options (SLI, more slots) or should I go bear minimum to keep costs down?

I'm
>>59863734

>>59864602
sli is pretty shit overall. better to get a better single card.

More PCI slots, only if you plan to do something with them.

More SATA is good if you're planning to make it a NAS in the future or something.

>>59864602
You already have an unlocked CPU, which basically necessitates a Z270 mobo (includes SLI support by default)

>>59864602
>When it comes to motherboards, is it worth spending more to have more future options (SLI, more slots) or should I go bear minimum to keep costs down?
You're going to need like 1 slot for your motherboard. So why would you need like 2 m.2, 4 x1, 3 full PCI?
2 PCI slots, 2 x1, and 2 m.2 should be enough.

Also SLI isn't great and has been getting phased out.

Only thing, is if you do a lot of video editing, you might want 6 SATA over 4.

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>>59865066
>>59865066