/fglt/ - Friendly GNU/Linux Thread

>before bump limit
>no stallman pic
No.

trying to use pip to install python-spotify. as soon as it downloads the package, it fails because it can't find ffi.h... I have libffi installed.

>>59840316
Nobody cares what you think. This is a friendly thread please leave.

>>59840401
This is a troll thread and not an actual /fglt/. Go away.

>>59840261
whats the point of terryfagging at /fglt/?

>>59840401
I would suggest you to leave.

>>59840433
This isn't /fglt/.

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I'm using Arch Linux, just sayin'.

So who's the cockwhore who fucked up /fglt/ then?

>>59840468
Just sage, hide and report, anon.

we have dealed with worse OPs in the past
hardened, we will also deal with terry

>>59840299
>iwlwifi.png

>>59840261
DELET THIS

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>>59840261

>>59840429
>>59840483
>>59840521
>>59840583
>>59840618
I reported it but it's still up. Will you guys help me?

Is Tiny Core Linux a decent server alternative to Debian?
Considering it has a smaller attack surface?

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>>59840316
>>59840429
>>59840433
>>59840434
>>59840447
>>59840468
>>59840483
>>59840717
Not OP but mark my words, I will dedicate my life to OPing /fglt/ threads with images you (same)fags dislike just in spite of your cocksucking selves.

>>59840737
GNU/Linux*

>>59840772
If you want to attack /faglet/ you should give every thread both "tags", so put fglt/faglet in the header
I'm sick of how this general became politicised and taken over by stallmans zombies. Fuck it, let it burn and something better rise out of the ashes. Remember it was called /flt/ to start with before these cunts came in here and spoiled it. The archive will show this.

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>>59840802
Good idea

Installing Elementary OS actually just to see how it looks like

>>59840802
This. Last time i mentioned how fglt started off well and descended into /b/ level horseshit, the best justification i got back as to why it was filled with shills, trolls and shitposters was"its so much better now, it used to recommend non free software". /g/ has gone to shit over the past couple of years

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I get paid by redhat to shill GNOME, systemd and other projects across the web reddit/4chan/ycombinator mostly. I thought you guys should know AMA

>>59840841
neo /g/ pls go

>>59840856
I like systemd and GNOME 2bh. GNOME has the best wayland support currently.

I kinda hate how KDE is losing configurability these days so I am not using KDE anymore.

>>59840840
>Installing Elementary OS actually just to see how it looks like
Why would you need to install it isn't it a live ISO? Also virtualbox.

>>59840840
Once you've installed can you report the starting memory usage that screenfetch shows? I want to know how much it differs from Unity and GNOME given the recent Ubuntu news.

>>59840886
flt is a very new thread, pretending to be "oldfag" over flt/fglt says how new you are actually
>>59840896
I like native performance.
>>59840900
I can guarantee that it takes less memory than Unity

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>>59840890
Same. I know that feel bro. Plasma is kind of a disappointment. Thank god we have GNOME to save us.

>>59840896
it's comfy famalam

>>59840917
What made me more interested in GNOME is that I've been hearing "rumors" that GNOME shell is going to be rewritten in Rust.

t KDE Shill

>>59840989
Pretty sure modern browsers have good download managers built right in

>>59840841

/flt/ was normie tier cancer
>reddit links
>shitty apps guy
>recommended distro: linux mint

You should be thankful to the guys who pushed the quality of this thread with great pasta, useful informations and help newcomers every day instead of spouting ">lelele toejam commie jew pedo" 4gag crap.

what distro should I use? I hate systemd, and am beginning to feel like the Arch developers are lazy and incompetent. I like pacman and the rolling release aspect. I'd use void but I love the AUR's huge amount of packages (despite a ton of them being terrible packages, abandoned or otherwise broken) to install stuff like mopidy-spotify and themes/fonts that aren't on Void.

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>>59840840
Anyone else think it's strange that pantheon is in the arch repos?

>>59841028
Why would it be strange?

>>59840261
>Lincucks BTFO

>>59841010
But can you get stuff like streaming videos that the page doesn't offer for download and also don't have links in the elements section, like JDownloader can?

>>59840941
No, it won't.
It's going to use Vulkan for rendering.

>>59841091
videodownloadhelper and youtube-dl

Not sure downloading stream videos is the best idea. Always torrent videos.

>>59841105
No rare camgirl recordings available on pornolab, m80

Anyway, thanks, I have youtube-dl but never tried using it this way

Just installed linux for the first time, what are some must have programs?

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>>59841132
>saving camgirl recording
>>59841142
What do you use your PC for?

>>59841026
so the endless systemd memes, constant Terry Davis shitposting, the GNOME/Redhat shilling and the rest of the bollocks that makes its way into this thread, you wouldn't consider any of that to be similar to the kind of "4gag crap" that goes on elsewhere?

And you give off about reddit links, but reddit has been slowly taking the decent /g/ posters for several years now. For some reason people who justify the the fall in quality of this thread seem to think a new general finding its way(which was started off by a beginner linux user so keep that in mind, it was as much a learning process on linux for him as it was for the thread) and improving over time as the same as a cancerous, reddit-esque meme tier thread

>>59841142
windows7

>>59841142

Coreutils.

>>59841167
He asked for programs, not botnets updates

>>59841142
mpv - video player, you can play video from youtube with it.
st - simple terminal, supports wayland, fast cute terminal.
tmux - terminal multiplexer, very very useful, you don't need to open multiple terminals, just use tmux.
rtorrent - best torrent client, supports magnet links, you can run it in tmux.

>>59840914
Still it would be nice to know the precise usage to be able to compare

>>59841142
never use any Qt app. It's 2 times larger for no reason, very buggy.

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>>59841142
GNU/Linux*

>>59841213
Go back to bed, Spencer.

>>59841010
Fucking firefox media downloader only gives me thumbnails, ffs

>>59841142
What literally everyone does when they try Linux for the first time:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QokOwvPxrE

Using kde I have to "dbus-launch something" manually or else chromium's file picker will error out with "The process for the file protocol died unexpectedly."
A fresh profile works fine but I don't want to reconfigure everything.

>>59841263
GNU/Linux*

>>59841235
You're making it worse not better. You're going to cause a schism and fuck it up for everyone.

>>59841195
See this is why I refrain from suggesting apps by name.
>mpv
Considering the fact that he just installed Linux there is a chance that he's new. Bare Mpv is unintuitive and it has 0 justifications for having no control panel
I suggest SMPLayer, it uses MPV in the back-end and has a decent control center
>st
No real use for st exists. Everyone has his favourite terminal, mine is Terminix: you can easily tile, sync stdin, and do many other stuff easily in it
>tmux
Use a terminal that has multiplexer built in, no need for tmux and it's autistic key shortcuts
>rtorrent
No, as I said about MPV, setting up rtorrent is plain autistic. Just use Transmission or QBittorrent

>>59841284
how so?

>>59841261
No disagreement here

Do you get native resolution in TTYs with the proprietary Nvidia drivers nowadays?

Is arch good or is it a meme?

>>59841308
You're dividing the community with this GNUism.

>>59841213

Yes, because there are so many programs that ship with both a Qt and GTK front-end that you can compare.
Kill yourself.

Hi, can anybody help me with dual boot?

Every time I try to install Debian, my windows get lost. On reboot, grub appears, but it has only debian available for boot.

During the installation, it always says "windows found, safe to install grub on master boot record"

What am I doing wrong? How do I make it so that I can choose my os when booting?

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>>59841336
When we ask people to say “GNU/Linux”, we are not dividing people. We are asking them to give the GNU Project credit for the GNU operating system. This does not criticize anyone or push anyone away.

However, there are people who do not like our saying this. Sometimes those people push us away in response. On occasion they are so rude that one wonders if they are intentionally trying to intimidate us into silence. It doesn't silence us, but it does tend to divide the community, so we hope you can convince them to stop.

However, this is only a secondary cause of division in our community. The largest division in the community is between people who appreciate free software as a social and ethical issue and consider proprietary software a social problem (supporters of the free software movement), and those who cite only practical benefits and present free software only as an efficient development model (the open source movement).

This disagreement is not just a matter of names—it is a matter of differing basic values. It is essential for the community to see and think about this disagreement. The names “free software” and “open source” are the banners of the two positions. See Why Open Source misses the point of Free Software.

The disagreement over values partially aligns with the amount of attention people pay to the GNU Project's role in our community. People who value freedom are more likely to call the system “GNU/Linux”, and people who learn that the system is “GNU/Linux” are more likely to pay attention to our philosophical arguments for freedom and community (which is why the choice of name for the system makes a real difference for society). However, the disagreement would probably exist even if everyone knew the system's real origin and its proper name, because the issue is a real one. It can only go away if we who value freedom either persuade everyone (which won't be easy) or are defeated entirely (let's hope not).

>smplayer
Ok, it uses mpv.
>terminix
If i close terminal all stuff in it closed also, it doesn't happen if you were using tmux, you can always go back to closed session.
rtorrent just works, transmission have good CLI.

>>59841399
>>59841336
#GNUwillnotdivideus

>>59841332
It's good.
Good package manager, recent versions of software.

Is arch still decent? Never ran into much trouble when I used it, aside from when I forgot to update for 3 Months.

what distro should I use?
I'm a pretty advanced user but havent used gnu/linux for a while, and can easily configure stuff myself and would actually prefer it. I'd like a pretty minimal installation. I like simplicity, so something without complex, bloated init systems and other software like systemd would be nice. I also want something with a lot of software like the aur. Should I just try arch?

>>59841332
If you want bleeding edge updates, then yes.

If you want well tested updates with minimal chance of breaking, then no.

The AUR is great, though.

>>59841355

Read EFISTUB article first.

>>59841402

Yes, because a casual user needs programs he launched in his terminal emulator to keep running that long.

>>59841437
Arch or Debian, but basically any distro which provides a netinstall should be good enough to set up something lightweight manually.

>>59841437
You should try Gentoo GNU/Linux nomultilib + any wayland environment.

>>59840900

elementary@elementary:~$ screenfetch
The program 'screenfetch' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing:
sudo apt install screenfetch
elementary@elementary:~$ 
elementary@elementary:~$ free -h
              total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
Mem:           3.7G        578M        1.8G        270M        1.3G        2.6G
Swap:          3.7G          0B        3.7G
elementary@elementary:~$ uname -a
Linux elementary 4.4.0-38-generic #57-Ubuntu SMP Tue Sep 6 15:42:33 UTC 2016 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
elementary@elementary:~$

>>59841195
>st
lmao, why use a terminal with no features?
also st is bloat, just use xterm

/flt/ was better than /fglt/ commie trash

>>59841468
fuck off retard

>>59840261
>LOL, lets turn /fglt/ into another shitfest, I have the perfect pic for this
and OP was a faggot once again

>>59841478
Fuck off commie kike piece of shit

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>>59841494
Gods world is perfectly just

>>59841501
You are in the wrong board. And no one is really interested in being pro/anti communism here.

>>59841446
>EFISTUB
I found 2 articles, one on the DebianWiki, and one on the ArchWiki, but I don't understand half of it.

>>59841494

>looking at the op picture
>caring about it
>even looking at the op at all
>looking at the gnu/rms/linux bikeshedding discussion

Normal people ignore the noise and only post replies to questions or when calling out idiots for having retarded opinions about software or distributions in general.

How easy is it to get the newest kernels on Debian? I basically need 4.9 or 4.10 because older kernels don't work with hibernation on my new laptop.

>>59841516
>"niggers have no morals"
>sucks his brothers' cock
>jerks off to cousin
>sexually abusing dogs
lel. Why don't you go back to his autism youtube vlogs? I'm sure he's putting on a circus show that appeals to autists like himself

>>59841562
Download the new kernel from kernel.org and install it yourself

>>59841261
>Linux creator Richard Stallman
kek
Reminds me of that Linux runs FreeBSD article. Anyone saved it?

>>59841399
>Stirring unnecessary shit up doesn't push people away and divide communities just because I say so
Ayy lmao, fuck off

>>59841565
Terry calls everyone niggers, it's a genetic slur he's completely removed race from.

>>59841464
That's actually more than Unity but still way better than GNOME and KDE
>>59841468
Ayy fuck off, divisive Jew cunt

>>59841562
Debian sid has 4.9 but as the other Anon said, you can always compile your own.
The official kernel comes with a

make deb-pkg

target which conveniently produces proper packages that fully integrate and automatically update Grub for instance.
But compiling manually works just as well.
Debian is flexible in that regard.

>>59841585
I didn't put emphasis on the fact that he calls everyone niggers. I put emphasis on the fact that he calls people void of morals while he himself has nothing like it

>>59841590
Did you even follow the conversation that led me to post that memory usage?

>>59841562
>>59841594
P.S. You can selectively allow packages from different Debian distributions, like a sid kernel on a testing system. This can cause complications but it should not go unmentioned. It's called "Apt Pinning".
http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html

How many lines of code do you think are in Arch, accounting for the kernel, systemd, coreutils and a DE like xfce?

>>59841614
Terry is a schizophrenic, what he claims he did might not have even happened.

I am having an issue with xscreensaver on my t420 running arch. It works fine under normal circumstances, sometimes if I leave a youtube video playing and the screensaver activates it will lock my whole system. I can't C-M-f1 to a console and it loops the audio.

Any idea what logfiles to look into? I am running Xfce and Xorg, no wayland.

>>59841585
Terry is one progressive motherfucker

>>59841627

The same amount of lines as on any other distribution with the same packages.
What's it to you?

>>59841614
Yeah I'm the guy who asked you to post it, not sure what you mean

>>59841631
>what he claims he did might not have even happened.
Yeah. I don't believe his "works" are as good as he claims to be either.

>>59840386
Search for it in your distro's repo?

>>59841685
You can't deny making an OS entirely by yourself is impressive.

>>59840386
Most distributions have a way to search for files within uninstalled packages.

For Debian, this is:
https://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_contents

or offline with

apt-file

>>59841738
OSdev is not really extra ordinary. Other people have done it and none of them had to suffer from autism because of it. Look at OSDev wiki

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>>59841738

>>59841842
PonyOS uses that TravisOS and changes fonts and graphics.

>>59841842
>Ponyfags can build a working kernel yet freetards at FSF and GNU can't

>>59841891
where is the proof that they can't?

>>59841891
This is probably because they were too busy with the political stuff instead. Hurd is more popular than many other working microkernels. But FSF paved the way for freedom.

Honestly I am more interested in Redox OS than Linux. I only use Linux because it has more drivers and supports. The moment Redox supports my wifi chip, my graphics card, firefox, gcc, dmd and vim I will probably drop Linux for Redox.

>>59841907
25 years later hurd isn't even usable

>>59841922
>usable
Neither is templeOS, and it will never be.

>>59841879
>>59841891
*Toaruos
And it's the same guy

https://github.com/klange/
https://github.com/klange/toaruos
https://github.com/klange/ponyos

Is there any way to show current transfer speed on ranger file manager?

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What are some cool terminal commands?

>>59842082

rm -rf / && echo hahaha xDDD

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>>59842008
>>59842082
>https://github.com/klange/
I found this on his Github. It's in the Arch and Debian repos too. What the fuck?

>>59842163
Won't do anything on GNU

I'm using Lubuntu on a t420, and the cd drive will randomly eject when I wake it, or sometimes my hand accidentally presses the button when I'm moving the laptop. And sometimes when I push it back in, it keeps popping back out.
How do I keep the cd drive unmounted for good? I never use it.

>>59842434
Can't you just unplug the drive?

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>>59842163

>>59842082
Just made this one (got the idea from here: >>59841765).

apt-search() {
    curl -sL "https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&mode=exactfilename&keywords=${1:?}" \
        | sed -n "/<tr>/,/^<\/tr>/p" \
        | html2text -width "${COLUMNS}"\
        | paste -d: - - \
        | column -s: -t
}

$ apt-search ffi.h
File                                      Packages
/usr/include/aarch64-linux-gnu/ffi.h      libffi-dev [arm64]
/usr/include/arm-linux-gnueabi/ffi.h      libffi-dev [armel]
/usr/include/arm-linux-gnueabihf/ffi.h    libffi-dev [armhf]
/usr/include/i386-kfreebsd-gnu/ffi.h      libffi-dev [kfreebsd-i386]
/usr/include/i386-linux-gnu/ffi.h         libffi-dev [i386]
/usr/include/ia64-linux-gnu/ffi.h         libffi-dev [ia64]
/usr/include/mips-linux-gnu/ffi.h         libffi-dev [mips]
/usr/include/mipsel-linux-gnu/ffi.h       libffi-dev [mipsel]
/usr/include/powerpc-linux-gnu/ffi.h      libffi-dev [powerpc]
/usr/include/powerpc64le-linux-gnu/ffi.h  libffi-dev [ppc64el]
/usr/include/s390-linux-gnu/ffi.h         libffi-dev [s390]
/usr/include/s390x-linux-gnu/ffi.h        lib64ffi-dev [s390], libffi-dev [s390x]
/usr/include/sparc-linux-gnu/ffi.h        libffi-dev [sparc]
/usr/include/x86_64-kfreebsd-gnu/ffi.h    libffi-dev [kfreebsd-amd64]
/usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/ffi.h       libffi-dev [amd64]
$

>>59842638
Elegant, classical shell scripting

>>59842638
>sed -n "/<tr>/,/^<\/tr>/p"
Forgot to remove the ^. If anyone actually will use it, remove it since it's useless.
>>59842676
Thanks bby.

>>59842082
Posted this one some threads ago, nobody ran it. ;_;

printf 'main(t){for(;++t>>16<3;)putchar(t*!!(t>>9&7|!(-t>>12&7))*(96+"#d|dOE3#dOE3dOE3"[t>>13&15])>>5);}' | gcc -x c - && ./a.out | aplay

>>59842873
I'm running Common Sense 2017. It blocked running it automatically.

>>59842434
Disable it in the device manager

>>59842082

aplay /dev/urandom

It creates rock music.

>>59843039

The new Autechre is wicked.

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freetards btfo
>http://www.zdnet.com/article/ubuntus-shuttleworth-free-software-zealots-are-antisocial-muppets-who-love-to-hate/

>>59841195
tmux has most features of screen.
>install screen

>>59842894
No risk no fun, I'd say.

>>59843061
long story short: massive butthurt

>>59841332
Both. It's given me what I always wanted from Debian sid. New packages, rolling releasing, stability. I had way more issues on Debian I wasn't able to fix. I can't explain why. I am using mostly the same software. Mainly I had many gtk issues on Debian that haven't occurred on Arch.

If you want something really different, try NixOS. If you just want to get to work, Arch is really solid.

What's a good resource for learning how to write a manpage?

>>59841326
Nope. Not by default anyway, last I checked.

>>59841355
I think just booting Debian and running update-grub will add windows to the list.

>>59843153
vim

test

Linux newfag. I've gone from Ubuntu, currently using Ubuntu MATE, and I don't really like the DE that much. I want to be able to rice my desktop to make it clean and sleek looking; flat design aesthetics kind of deal.

I'd also like to remain the ability to use .deb packages, so it's ultimately a Debian or Ubuntu version. What would you guys recommend? This would be a daily driver for everything.

Why did Unity die?

>>59843159
Unfortunate. Thanks.

Currently running an AMD R9 380. The open source drivers run games reasonably well, and are superior in 2D, but OpenCL support is incomplete. The proprietary AMD drivers target workstations with stable LTS distros only, no support for the latest Xorg.

Will probably switch to Nvidia until either OpenCL works on Mesa or AMDGPU-Pro supports more recent Xorg.

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>>59841585
>what did he mean by this

>>59843303

You can install other environments on Ubuntu (Mate).
You will use the same programs again, so it doesn't matter which distribution you use. You can apply the same themes on every distribution.

>daily driver
That's a buzzphrase and it means nothing.

>>59843328
Red Hat and/or Microsoft killed it.

>>59843374
How? Why?

>>59843370
I switched to Linux on my laptop because it's fairly old and isn't that robust anymore; Windows 10 got too laggy and I wanted to try out Linux - have to say, I like it so far.

>>59843303
XFCE

or i3 if you have multiple monitors

Anyone here use Debian? Been thinking of switching to it from Ubuntu after getting to grips with Linux. I want to retain the ability to use .deb packages, but I want to move away from "Noobuntu"

>>59843436

Why would i3 be beneficial for people with multiple monitors?

>>59843438

You fell for a meme. Enjoy your wasted effort moving to something just because someone else calls it a certain way.
Chances are you don't even know what would be the core differences between distributions and you probably have no real reason to use a different one.

>>59843445
Much easier window management, i3 is optimum with alot of room to work with imo.

>>59843464
I mean I like Ubuntu, but I figured it's better to just move to a different DE. Is there a way I can install a new DE without having to re-install my whole distro?

>>59843491

Yes, you install the package and choose your new environment at the login screen.

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There's more paid shills on /g/ right now than actual users.

>>59843438
I did the same as you in 2010. Didn't like debian at all. I would advise you to dl a virtual machine and get acquainted w/ something if you must switch from ubuntu and cannot stop being a pussy and install gentoo on bare metal. Learn to extract tarballs and rtfm, these would be more valuable abilities than being able to tell your /g/friends you "don't use nubuntu haha."

>>59843527
t. shill

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>>59843368

>>59843624
kek

>>59842082
this will clean your /boot directory

for i in $(find /boot -type f);{>$i;}

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>>59841891

>>59842676
What's the right way to start with i3? Install full Ubungo and then i3 or install a minimal netboot Ubuntu then i3?

I really only want to use it for programming and some vidya using wine

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>>59841891
YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP

I'm reading to teach me how to use the terminal and I'm at the part about pipelines. The problem is I can't find the vertical bar on my keyboard. How do I make that?

>>59843781
install gentoo

>>59843751

Just go full ubuntu.

>>59843781

next to left shift or just left of enter

>>59843781

Never mind I found it. It's shift+backslash if anyone was wondering.

>>59843743
Kill yourself.

>>59844006
>>>/r/eddit

>>59843743
>for loop with find
I agree to >>59844006

>>59841842
>>59841891
I'm guessing the reason is ponyOS isn't philosophically opposed to using non-free code? Maybe?

>>59844033
what else would you use if you wanted to list all files in /boot and all it's subdirectories?

>>59840261
Hey /fglt/
I got myself an RPi3. I wish to use it for stuff like openvpn, piblackbox, pihole, along with torrenting and maybe mpd server, mostly headless. Which distro(s) should I experiment with? I'm looking at debian, arch and gentoo, wondering if anyone here had any experience with them on a pi.

>>59844057

for i in /boot/**; { > "$i"; }

find /boot -exec sh -c '>{}' \;

Now please stop posting this bullshit.

>>59841891
The point you're missing is that the goal of the FSF/GNU is software freedom/a free operating system. there's no point to develop Hurd since Linux-libre exists. The people who currently develop Hurd do it just for fun, not to compete.

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Elementary is comfy, famalam

>>59844050
No. It's FOSS.

redpill me on openssl vs libressl

>>59844665
>redpill

When will Microsoft buy Linux?

>>59844665
Libressl is a fork of openssl after the heartbleed exploit. It's maintained by the openbsd team.

>>59844717
Didn't openssl fix it? Why did they fork it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5YokNW7tIs

>>59844792
>pizzaman gets rekt when he recalls customer
better title

>>59842082

man intro
man hier
man proc

The correct name for Linux is "Linux"

>>59844367
Surely it can't be better than hurd then?

If it's both better than hurd and also only uses code that 100% respects muh 4 freedoms then why not just take that shit and shove it all up in GuixSD or something?

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Someone recommend me a non-bonet notetaking app for linux

Like Evernote/Bear but without them stealing my data

>>59842082
find / -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1 -exec rm -rf {} \;

>>59845319
i just use nano

alias note='nano ~/.notes/$(date +%u_%V-%Hh%Mm).txt'

>>59845319
echo 'something to' > thefile
cat thefile

>>59844728
Because openssl are not serious. OpenBSD team wand to implement a serious LibreSSL.

>>59844728
Because OpenSSL has tons of legacy crap in the code base. LibreSSL is more streamlined > less surface for bugs

>>59845513
Kill yourself.

>>59845513
>starting 1 billion rm instances instead of a single one
I agree to >>59845792

>>59845792
>>59845841
rm -rf $(find / -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1)

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Since systemd was first proposed it has been frequently discussed in many forums, mailing lists and conferences. In these discussions one can often hear certain myths about systemd, that are repeated over and over again, but certainly don't gain any truth by constant repetition. Let's take the time to debunk a few of them:

Myth: systemd is monolithic.

If you build systemd with all configuration options enabled you will build 69 individual binaries. These binaries all serve different tasks, and are neatly separated. Many of these binaries are separated out so nicely, that they are very useful outside of systemd. A package involving 69 individual binaries can hardly be called monolithic.

Myth: systemd is not UNIX.

There's certainly some truth in that. systemd's sources do not contain a single line of code originating from original UNIX. However it derives inspiration from UNIX. In fact the design of systemd as a suite of integrated tools that each have their individual purposes but when used together are more than just the sum of the parts, that's pretty much at the core of UNIX philosophy.

Myth: systemd is bloated.

Well, bloated certainly has many different definitions. But in most definitions, systemd is probably the opposite of bloat. Since systemd components share a common code base, they tend to share much more code for common code paths. Here's an example: in a traditional Linux setup, sysvinit, start-stop-daemon, inetd, cron, dbus, all implemented its own scheme to execute processes with various configuration options in a certain, hopefully clean environment. On systemd the code paths for all of this, for the configuration parsing, as well as the actual execution is shared. This means less code, less place for mistakes, less memory and cache pressure. systemd is also pretty modular. You can choose at build time which components you need, and which you don't need. People can hence specifically choose the level of "bloat" they want.

>>59845902
HOLY SHIT NOOBS WHAT THE FUCK
find / -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1 -exec rm -rf {} \+

>>59845963
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>59845963
Linux is the name of the kernel that Linus Torvalds developed starting in 1991. The operating system in which Linux is used is basically GNU with Linux added. To call the whole system "Linux" is both unfair and confusing. Please call the complete system GNU/Linux, both to give the GNU Project credit and to distinguish the whole system from the kernel alone.

Threadly reminder to report all trolls talking about systemd.

>>59846024
Fuck off we can all agree that hating systemd is a meme.

Most people hear it's bad and so they propagate the idea, and blow it out of proportion without much research, consideration or thought.
When systemd first appeared, it was quickly adopted because not many people had qualms about it.
Those who did (and those were few) had their own reasons and thoughts (they didn't get meme'd into hating it) and moved onto other init systems.
Most of them were reasonable enough not to start a fucking civil war because of them, because even they knew that systemd is a natural step forward in general.

If systemd was as hated as it is now, it would never have been so widely adopted.

>So, how did this meme really come about?
Well, I'll tell you.

systemd is the most advanced init system in existence.
It's better than Apple's launchd and better than whatever Microsoft has.
It's arguably one of the best things that happened to GNU since Linux.
The jews know this, so they spawned a fake controversy around it in order to divide the community, sabotage the project and keep GNU/Linux from advancing as an operating system and gaining more market share.
Just think about it:
>Linux - the most advanced kernel in existence
>systemd - the most advanced init and service manager in existence
>free as in both freedom and beer
And now with Steam OS, Chrome OS and both Wayland and Vulkan maturing, it's only a matter of time before GNU/Linux becomes truly mainstream and takes over the gaming market.
But they were a bit late to notice this before the wide adoption of systemd.

That's how, even though it seemed like a natural step forward in the evolution of GNU/Linux back then, systemd is the most controversial topic in the FOSS world right now.

>TL;DR
Hating systemd is an artificial meme brought about via CIA's advanced meme warfare techniques in order to prevent the year of the GNU/Linux desktop.
http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a507172.pdf

Guys, so if I want to install Linux on one partition and then use a separate partition for my home, how big should I make the non-home partition? What are some guidelines?

>>59845963
DISREGARD THAT I SUCK COCKS
- Lennart Poettering

>>59846053
GNU/Linux*

>>59846043
No-one was talking about systemd until you brought it up, so you're either trolling or shilling and either way you seriously need to be banned.

>>59846096
Linux*

>>59846105
>I support censorship of specific topics
Check out reddit for that.

>>59846043
Can you even do elementary research before talking about things?
systemd is so bloated and unnecessarily complex that even kernel developers have trouble understanding it.

I spent far too much of my time researching this shit, so don't tell me I'm just hating it because it's a meme. By the way, I see so many systemd shills here that before I decided to actually dig deeper and find things out for myself, I was under the impression that the entire debacle is just some big maymay and "there is literally nothing wrong with systemd". Now I know better.

What you say about Linux becoming better than ever is absolutely true. Where you're completely wrong, is when you say that the jews/shills are spreading systemd hatred. I can give you a 3-post-long explanation why, or, if you want to talk about it this way, I can also point out that places like reddit - which are literally a playground for apprentice kike puppetmasters to learn the ropes of manipulation, misdirection and psyops - consistently shills FOR systemd. There is simply no way the jews would have been able to sow so much dissent on 4chan with reddit going completely uncompromised, which is what you're suggesting.

>>59844323
>be /g/
>hate aqua because muh apple sucks
>love every DE that blatantly copies aqua

>>59846116
There is a long-standing naming controversy. Most people who use the system today don't know that what they're actually using is the GNU system combined with the kernel Linux. For many years, the media and the user community itself has given undue weight to the contributions that come from Linus Torvalds' camp and fostered a skewed account of the operating system's history, while barely acknowledging the existence of the GNU project at all. The GNU project was started in 1984 by Richard Stallman to develop a complete free operating system, because none existed at the time. Its design closely followed that of Unix because Unix was highly machine-portable and (at that time) pervasive. Linus Torvalds did not write a whole operating system, he only wrote the last missing piece, a kernel, and he only did that in the first place because development of Hurd, the GNU project's own kernel, was lagging behind (and has not been completed to this day). Torvalds didn't write the kernel because of a belief in "open source", a term that wasn't even coined until 1998 and misses the point of free software, and he originally released it in 1991 under a proprietary license until he was persuaded to relicense it under the GPL the next year. Saying "GNU/Linux" instead of "Linux" is fairer and more accurate. Without the irreplaceable software contributed by the GNU project − and even more importantly, the founding ideas of freedom − the system most mistakenly call "Linux" would not exist.

>>59846123
I agree. I will never understand this love for docks and shit.

>>59846053
I'm using 7GB in my /. I usually give it 20 just to be safe but 10 is probably more realistic. Either way you can always resize the partition very easily. Just boot into a live USB and use gparted to shrink or grow it.

>>59846116
GNU+Linux

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I heard about Yarn today at work, how is it different than apt-get?

>>59846136
Not all Linux systems use GNU, embedded systems are such an example. GNU is replaceable.

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>>59846105
go bak 2 redd.it

>>59846169
>file.png

>>59846161
Linux*

>>59846171
That's correct, where is your argument?

>>59846120
>There is simply no way the jews would have been able to sow so much dissent on 4chan with reddit going completely uncompromised
>being familiar with what's going on at reddit
How did you find your way here? Go back homefry.

>>59846117
Both advertising and trolling are against the rules, faggot.

>>59846207
>irreplaceable software to get point that it is GNU/Linux
>says GNU being replaceable isn't an argument

>>59846217
>faggot
rude, this isn't /b/

>>59846152
But muh data corruption and lack of backups

Thanks though

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>>59841577
http://nintendotoday.com/nintendo-switch-linux/

>>59846227
Well Linux is replaceable aswell. The point is that Linux and GNU are both incomplete operating systems. They both can run in many combinations, but the most commonly know one it GNU and Linux, hence GNU/Linux. Saying that Linux can run without GNU doesn't change the fact that the combinations of Linux with GNU are in fact GNU/Linux systems.

>>59846259
I love you. Saved into my collection.

>>59846179
>calls out reddit systemd shills
>"go back to redd.it"

Oh the irony

>>59846212
Well that's what's being memed everywhere at least. I've only actually ever gone on reddit for the e/b/in place april fool's thingy. Am I wrong?

If I am then my whole argument kinda falls apart, whoops.

>>59846268
Then call your combination 'GNU/Linux', but that doesn't mean you have to correct others who may be using a different userspace than 'GNU'

>>59846194
GNU/Linux*

>>59846316
Linux*

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>>59846184
>retard doesn't know that you can paste images from your clipboard into the comment field which results in file.ext

>>59846296
>>calls out reddit systemd shills
>>"go back to redd.it"
>
>Oh the irony
You're still the one familiar with reddit. There is no irony here. You're a moron.

>>59846310
Then call your combination of Linux with other programs like busybox 'Just Linux', but that doesn't mean you have to correct others who may not be browsing 4chan on embedded 'Just Linux' systems.

>>59846310
This. Alpine LInux, AOSP, etc. are "just Linux" as they don't have GNU tools.

>>59846250
>But muh data corruption and lack of backups
Never heard or experienced this and I've done a fair amount of resizing partitions

>>59846381
Linux is the name of a kernel, developed by Linus Torvalds; it's nothing else.

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>>59846332
أود فقط أن إنتيرجيكت للحظة واحدة. ما كنت تشير إلى لينكس، هو في الواقع، جنو / لينكس، أو كما كنت قد اتخذت مؤخرا لدعوته، غنو زائد لينكس. لينوكس ليس نظام تشغيل في حد ذاته، بل مكون آخر آخر من نظام غنو يعمل بشكل كامل جعلت مفيدة من قبل غنو كوريليبس، والمرافق قذيفة ومكونات النظام الحيوية التي تتألف من نظام التشغيل الكامل كما هو محدد من قبل بوسيكس.

العديد من مستخدمي الكمبيوتر تشغيل نسخة معدلة من نظام غنو كل يوم، دون أن يدرك ذلك. من خلال تحول غريب للأحداث، فإن إصدار غنو الذي يستخدم على نطاق واسع اليوم يسمى غالبا "لينكس"، والعديد من مستخدميه لا يدركون أنه في الأساس نظام جنو، الذي وضعه مشروع جنو.

هناك حقا لينكس، وهؤلاء الناس يستخدمونه، ولكنه مجرد جزء من النظام الذي يستخدمونه. لينوكس هو النواة: البرنامج في النظام الذي يخصص موارد الجهاز للبرامج الأخرى التي تقوم بتشغيلها. النواة هي جزء أساسي من نظام التشغيل، ولكن لا طائل منه في حد ذاته؛ فإنه يمكن أن تعمل فقط في سياق نظام التشغيل الكامل. يستخدم لينكس عادة في تركيبة مع نظام التشغيل غنو: النظام بأكمله هو في الأساس غنو مع لينكس وأضاف، أو جنو / لينكس. كل ما يسمى توزيع "لينكس" هي توزيعات حقا من جنو / لينكس.

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>>59846360
I'm not even the anon you told to go back, I was just pointing it out. I may be a moron but the irony is entirely there.

>>59846405
You are the name of a faggot, developed by your mom, and nothing else.

I downloaded SoundConverter--Linux Mint--but every-time I want to convert several .APE or .FLAC it crashes, it's fucking annoying.

>>59846497
Check the logs

>>59846497
Shit happens. Have a nice day anon.

what are the chances of sudo apt-get autoremove fucking up everything? I don't want unnecessary packages shitting up my system but at the same time not sure if they are needed by other software.

>>59846597
when you run

sudo apt-get autoremove

it will list all the packages it wants to remove before prompting you I think

>>59846597
Autoremove woun't fuck up anything. It's save and will prompt you if it's going to remove more packages.

>>59846406
What's a nice bitmap font for arabic?

>>59846597
>using apt-get
KEK

>>59841284
>>59841336

You fucking simpleton wants everything feed to you like a fucking baby.

>Too much to say GNU in my mouth, better whine about it!

>>59846657
This isn't 4gag, kill yourself.

>>59842082

echo $[$(seq 2 2e6|factor|sed 's/.*: //;/ /d'|tr \\n +|sed 's/+$//')]

r8

>>59846657
As opposed to apt or dpkg?

>>59841332
It's gotten better over the years.

Just hold packages from updates that you really care about and find out what's updating in packages.archlinux.org by seeing the repositories. This will eliminate any possibility of breakage.

>>59846642
I literally copy-pasted from google translate so I have no idea.

>>59841332
Everything you know about Arch is a meme.
It isn't lightweight, it isn't simple and it isn't a Linux distribution.

>>59846732
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
>>>>out

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>>59846735

Is btrfs a meme? Should I use it, and if so, why?

>>59846781
yes

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>>59843527

>>59846781
No reason to use anything bu ext4

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>>59846642
GNU Unifont.

>>59846856
wew, didn't know it supports arabic

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>>59846878

>>59846779
Non of this shit applies to me pal. I actually know how to use the thing to the point that it never breaks.

>>59840261
So I plan on changing to Ubuntu, but I am looking for a bit of information, so here's the thing:
I have 2 monitors using the nvidia card and 1 more monitor using the builtin port of the motherboard, this works fine in Windows, but I've been reading and it seems to not work pretty well in Ubuntu, anyone can confirm on this?

What are the differences between Ubuntu 14.04 LTS and its parent version of Debian? I'm trying to determine why Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords operates flawlessly under Steam on Ubuntu, whereas on Debian (I actually only have tried it on Debian Jessie KDE Stable, not necessarily the base of Ubuntu 14.04) none of the Bink movie files play correctly, except for legal.bik. Any ideas on where I can start comparing the two distributions?

>>59846732
as opposed to pacman

>>59843527
this

There's no reason to say Linux.

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>>59846994
>he fell for the arch meme

>>59847036
at least I didn't fall for the debian meme

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>>59846994
>that uncomfy feel when an arch user replies

>>59846987
Are you using the same version of Wine on both?

>>59847073
>dark throne
>arch
this guy's got some supreme taste

>>59847057
SourceMage or GTFO

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>>59840316
this should never happen.

>>59846932
So do I. t. former Arch user

>>59846948
Boot into a live USB and see for yourself. If not go with something with newer packages. Arch based or maybe Fedora.

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crank my gnu up!

I'm on Arch if it matters.

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Doesn anyone have the full version?

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>>59847161
>275x183
>being this dumb
Faggots who save and post thumbnails opinions don't fucking matter.

>>59847455
noouu~

>>59847161
A-anon... how many thumbnails do you have saved? You know if you do an image search you're looking at thumbnails right? You need to view the full image.

good thread

>have laptop
>have 8GB RAM
>have SSD, tight on space
>recommended swap amount for hibernation: 1.5 times RAM
>12GB of the SSD, gone from my available storage space
>nothanks.jpg
>put swap on HDD instead

Consequences?
>slow-ass hibernation and boot from hibernation
>????

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>>59847937
just slow hibernate and your machine will slow down a lot more if you run out of physical ram during operation

>>59840261
what's the source of that terry quote? which video?

>>59847966
No surprises there then. Thanks anon!

>>59841577
>>59846259

That article is the most tech illiterate thing I have ever seen.

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Made with GIMP. Does /fglt/ like?

It's possible to get X to spawn a terminal and use that combo as a login console?

>>59848057
xinit xterm?

>>59848039
>Stop using nonfree software

>>59847899
good post

>>59848106
Do you have more examples or tutorial on that?
I'm trying to reeplace fbterm from the login console onwards using X and a terminal emulator.

>>59848150
Why not stick to TTY completly if you like it? You can init any graphical program on its own if you need it.

>>59848148
good reply

>>59848169
Because I want to use text programs but with the goodies of fbterm, like the font rendering.
The problem is that fbterm is unmaintained and also has a horrible privilege scalation bug, so it's a big no no for me. X at least is being developed.

Friendly new thread: >>59848211

>>59846948
It used to work out of the box on xubuntu 14.10, so it should work or of the box now.

boot a live usb to check it.

>>59848189
>>59848148
>>59847899
whats the point of this shit?

>>59848242
dunno about others but I post good thread when I think this thread doesn't deserve being on page 8-10, when I'm bored and ready for answering question or just to contribute one useless post next to the bumplimit

:)

>>59848264
>:)
>>>/f/acebook

Any sed/grep/awk wizards here?
I need a way to get all the modules from a file and load them.
The file contains output of lsmod, it looks like this:

acpi_call              16384  0
ip_tables              24576  1 iptable_filter
x_tables               28672  14 xt_comment,xt_LOG,ipt_REJECT,ip_tables,iptable_filter,xt_tcpudp,xt_limit,ip6t_REJECT,ip6table_filter,xt_addrtype,ip6t_rt,xt_conntrack,ip6_tables,xt_hl
ext4                  528384  2
crc16                  16384  2 bluetooth,ext4
jbd2                   90112  1 ext4
fscrypto               24576  1 ext4
mbcache                16384  1 ext4
sr_mod                 24576  0
sd_mod                 49152  3
cdrom                  53248  1 sr_mod
serio_raw              16384  0
atkbd                  24576  0
libps2                 16384  2 atkbd,psmouse
ahci                   36864  2
libahci                28672  1 ahci
libata                212992  2 ahci,libahci
xhci_pci               16384  0
sdhci_pci              28672  0
sdhci                  40960  1 sdhci_pci
scsi_mod              159744  3 sd_mod,libata,sr_mod
ehci_pci               16384  0
firewire_ohci          40960  0
xhci_hcd              172032  1 xhci_pci
led_class              16384  4 sdhci,input_leds,thinkpad_acpi,iwldvm
ehci_hcd               73728  1 ehci_pci
firewire_core          57344  1 firewire_ohci
mmc_core              122880  2 sdhci,sdhci_pci
crc_itu_t              16384  1 firewire_core
usbcore               208896  6 uvcvideo,ehci_hcd,xhci_pci,btusb,xhci_hcd,ehci_pci
usb_common             16384  1 usbcore
i8042                  24576  0
serio                  20480  6 serio_raw,atkbd,psmouse,i8042

I just need the fisrst word in each line to pass to `modprobe`.

>>59848315

awk '{print $1}'

I haven't actually used awk in months so this may not work straight off the bat, but I think this is basically what you're looking for

>>59848315
Why such questions always come when I'm drunk like 10 russians?

awk '{print $1}' file
or
cut -d ' ' -f 1 file

prints the first column of "file"

Or if you want it in a single line:
awk '{printf "%s ",$1}' file

>>59848394
sup other wizard anon

>>59848394
>>59848399
Exactly what I needed, thanks.