/pcbg/ - PC Building General

second hand part buying feels way too good

Are the M.2 ssds noticably faster than sata 3s or just meme?

>>59698249
>mainly just browsing/movies and occasional dota 2 (mini itx budget project)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UsLbli1SFA
The iGPU on the G4560 can handle Dota2 at 60fps minimum if you just turn down the settings.

Don't waste money on the RX460.

You could even save up and the Vega lineup will likely include a godly ITX card like the R9 Nano was at the time.
Then you can save more and replace that G4560 with a locked 7700.
That is a good upgrade path for your ITX build.
Or you can simply wait for Raven Ridge APUs which should be about double the power of the G4560 and even lower power.

>>59698380
They are faster only if they are NVMe. (And sometimes even then they aren't if they're really shitty models)
A SATA M.2 is the same speed as a SATA 2.5"

MyDigitalSSD BPX and 960 Evo NVMe are both much faster.
But for most people, they won't really notice the performance increases. The performance increases matter most in workstations that write and read from the disk very often. For just "muh load times" the difference isn't much.

>>59698380
Not very noticeable unless you are doing tons of long reads/writes. Maybe shaves a few seconds off of a system boot or loading a program. They're unquestionably faster, just probably not worth the price when SATA 3 drives are "good enough." They also use up some PCI-E lanes. (unless they're running through SATA anyway at which point they're just a different form factor).

>>59698484
It's moreso that an actual good SATA SSD is "good enough". There are some pretty shitty slow ones out there.
The shitty ones aren't much worth their price increase over a HDD, especially when they can have questionable lifespans.

I haven't done a full build since 2011, about time for a new main computer. Old computer was a top tier $2000 gaming rig, but I've been playing less and less over the years. Com p uter starting to show various mechanical problems so I want to be prepared to move on.

I'd like to build a cheaper computer with one important factor: build it such that it can be upgraded to near top tier in a year or so if I want to get back into gaming.

I figured I'd go cheap on video card for now, but I feel the CPU and mobo should be top tier now.

Anyone have some good tips or strategies for this approach?

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>>59698380
Yes, but do you NEED that extra speed? Can you USE that extra speed?
>b-b-but muh gaymes
SATA SSDs are better because you get more fast storage for the price.

However
>tfw NVMe SSDs with 10GbE NICs on my NAS, caching proxy, and gaming rigs/workstations

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I'M THINKING ABOUT DELIDING MY 4670k.

WILL I REALLY GET A DROP OF 20 DEGREES?

>>59698634
Yeah just do it fampai. JUST do it.

>>59698634
I only got a 7 degrees drop on a client 4790K. Your mileage may vary depending on the paste (I was using the Noctua stuff).

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>>59698233
I just update to Asus Crosshair VI BIOS 1002
I noticed that my RAM is now running at 1T timings. Downloading AIDA64 to test the latencies now.

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CPU: Intel Core i5 7400
Motherboard: MSI H110I Pro Mini-ITX Motherboard
Graphics: XFX Radeon RX 470 RS Black Edition 4GB
Memory: Corsair Value Select CMV8GX4M1A2133C15 8GB (1x8GB) DDR4
Solid State Drive: Kingston SSDNow UV400 120GB SSD
Hard Drive: Seagate Barracuda 1TB
Case: SilverStone Sugo Series SG13 Small Form Factor Chassis

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>>59698233
>>59699078
~78ns

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So, miniATX or ATX?

>>59699147
mini itx

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>>59698634
do it

>>59699147
eATX X99

thoughts on this case?
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3MPfrH/deepcool-case-tesseractsw

With a small m.2 as the bootable OS drive, is it worth putting 2 500gb SATA SSDs in raid on a Ryzen board?

Or just stick to 2 single SATA SSDs for increased storage space?

>>59699669
it's a case

>>59699803
Nah, just get an NVMe M.2 drive and a large SATA SSD or HDD

hello, does anyone know what the average vcore voltage is for a 1700x ?

at default settings my 1700x seems to fluctuate between 1.220 and 1.4 volts.

i always fucking hate automatic vcore control on ALL motherboards i have every bought because i feel it's too high. am i being stupid

>>59699921

AMD loves pumping volts through their silicon and often times they do it because it let's them push out less than optimal silicon.

You're not being stupid, but the Silicon and the power management on a good motherboard will be able to handle much higher voltages, just not 24/7.

>>59699108
Bump. Should I? It's for 24/7 constant usage and mainly programming and streaming porn

>>59699976
i'm starting to think maybe software isn't reading the vcore correctly.

when i'm doing literally nothing, it spikes in cpuz to 1.42 , and when i run prime95 with all cores it shows the vcore at a stable 1.92.

>>59700049
1.192*

big typo

>>59699355
>Delidded a 6950X
You sir are a brave soul to risk that.

>>59700053

You had me worried, anon.

What are you using to monitor Vcore? Ryzen master is still kinda trash.
HWmonitor is improved since they updated it.

Can you guys recommenend the
>8GB KFA2 GeForce GTX 1080 EX OC Edition?

>>59700134
cpu-z , and hwmonitor report exactly the same results. i can upload a picture of all cores 100% with prime 95 and 1.192 vcore. it doesn't make any fucking sense why doing nothing causes wild fluctuations from 1.3 - 1.424 vcore and hitting all cores makes it stable.

>>59700166

That could just be that senseMI thing in the 1700X series. It changes voltages and frequencies on the fly.

I wouldn't be too worried about it.

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>>59700187
but why are voltages so high when it's essentially idling?

it's spooky

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>>59698743
>>59699355
Hmmm. Better get some of this gallium thermal paste.

Hey /g/ Was thinking of updating graphics cards in the near future what would you reccomend for a dual card setup? strictly AMD cards please, i was thinking r480x 8gbs
I currently have twin frozr 3 7950s 3gbs

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>>59700559
>around 250-300$ per card

Is it possible to buy good hardware without the annoying gaming branding? Everything I find on Amazon has weird shapes, is neon colored and has "ultra gaming" or something written all over it.

>>59700584
I like Sapphire cards for a more discrete offering.
Asrock has some more discrete motherboard offerings.

>>59700580
what manga is that

>>59700584
For GPU EVGA is about the most discreet you're going to find on Nvidia and XFX on AMD

For Mobo AsRock has nice black and white boards with no RGB or gamying bullshit but still a quality product

For RAM HyperX is pretty nice low profile

I've been not that updated on new PSU's. Also, im my country you dont have access to many brands except for Cooler Master / thermaltake and some rebrands like EVGA and corsair.
I realize that are among those brands crappy models and not so crappy models and he's also on a 100-120 dollaroos budget.

750 W / 80 bronze would be desirable like Thermaltake TR2 or smart series / CM B or GX series/ corsair CM series
Which models of the said brands are reliable?

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What monitoring software is this?

>>59700624
>>59700741
Thanks, I'll have a look at those.

Rather than a bronze 700w try to get a gold 500w. If youre in eu there are some really nice asian psus like segotep or high power. Just as good as the name american brands but cheaper

>>59700756
the corsair re-branded sea-sonics are fantastic, i have an AX750 in mine right now. very solid

>>59700777

NZXT CAM

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>>59700756
>>59700786

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-2547993/psu-tier-list.html


https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/631048-psu-tier-list-updated/

Checck johnnyguru for psu reviews

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>>59700642
I dont know, wish i did, can anyone help me with GFX cards?
>>59700580
>>59700559

>>59700795
Obviously for AMD the 480 is the only choice, but wait a couple of weeks for the 580 rebrand

Those are my only options, which one should I get?

http://www.deepcool.com/product/cpucooler/2013-12/7_487.shtml

http://www.deepcool.com/product/cpucooler/2013-12/7_512.shtml

http://www.deepcool.com/product/cpucooler/2013-12/7_510.shtml

>>59700818
Gamax 400 and Iceblade should be about the same

>>59700790
Well yeah, but Seasonic levels are not on my fellow's level right now.
>>59700794
Thanks, this gave me a better idea of what I should look for!

>>59700964
its in the price range for lightly used stuff

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Rate pls, i will be waiting for R5 and possibly vega to come out an check the marks.

Almost exclusive for gaymen. Some browsing and such aside. As for now i think 7700k is still the best for it and also kind of futureproof.

Write now im unsure to what case to get that fits with the noctua. Also will i have to de-lid to not need a fire extingisher?

Eurofagg here btw. Help is appreciated:
https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/Fq9dwV

>>59701637
RAM was wrong updated RAM in here:

https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/VNTgNN

Also i'm building this to last about 6-7 years and will add my old 1.5 tb hdd as cheap storage to it. If that makes any difference.

What PSU should I get for 7700 + 1070?

>>59700854
So which one would you get?

>>59701946
See
>>59700794

Are deepcool gold psus any good?

What's the cheapest CPU that will still be enough for my needs from Intel and AMD.

I play GTA 5 RP mod and ARMA 3, but have a budget of $300 for CPU, mobo and ram, although i already have 8GB DDR3 ram

Looking to save as much money as possible, so if it's a CPU that still uses a mobo with DDR3 that would be good since i can save money on not.buying DDR4 ram.

But i still want something that is good enough my needs.

I am currently using FX 4300, so yeah it's bad.

Please help, thanks

>>59702636
GTA 5 has RP mod? Link?

>>59702636

Oh also i have a water cooled build so can overclock if need be to get more performance

>>59702671

I'm on mobile can't link, but yeah it's really good but only 24 players a server

I haven't played it myself, saw twitch streamer Lirik playing it, and im looking for a CPU that is good enough for me to play it

I think this is it

https://fiverp.net

>>59702636
ARMA 3 only really cares about single core performance, so a pre-Skylake i5 and overclock as much as possible if you want to stick with DDR3.

>>59702711

Sorry could you give me some model numbers to search up please, thanks

>>59702854

Intel boycott when?

What power supply vendors are regarded safe?
EVGA, Corsair and Seasonic?

>>59702706
Thank you.
>>59702946
See
>>59700794
.

>>59702991
Thx fampai

>>59703064
Anything familia

>>59702806
A 4670K or 4690K would be best. You can get them from eBay for well under $200, leaving enough for a Z87 or Z97 motherboard (which you need to overclock them).

>>59702939
never, kys
jews > pajeets

>>59703508
sheklestealing jews = poo on board pajeets
shoot yourself

>>59703518
kys

1st time builder here trying to compile my list. I was set to go with a i5-7600k build checked /g/ today and see this thread saying i5's are now pointless.

I guess if first time I'm not really going to be overclocking anyway so I was now thinking of the i7 7700.

My question if I am using a locked processor will the stock cpu fan be adequate or will I still need to buy a better cpu cooler?

Thanks any help appreciated

>>59703508
the oven is that way >>>trash

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>>59698233
How come the i5 is no longer worth getting?
>No exceptions. Consider the locked 6700/7700 or the 1500X instead of the 7600k or the 1400 or simply a G4560 over a locked i5.
The 7600k seems better than the 7700 especially for gaming, so what gives?

>>59703626
>I was set to go with a i5-7600k build checked /g/ today and see this thread saying i5's are now pointless.
It's pointless because Ryzen R5s are launching later this month. You can get a six-core hyperthreaded R5 for less as an i5-7600K and a four-core hyperthreaded R5 for the same price as an i3-7350K

>>59702711
I thought ARMA3 updated in the APEX expansion to use multicore?

Or was that just client side, and not server?

Should I get AIO cooler or air cooler for minor OC in the future? I live in a hot country where it gets 50c outside in summer but we have ACs on

>>59703679
It still relies heavily on a control thread to distribute load to secondary threads (like many Ubishit games). An overclocked i5 is the sweet spot, providing a good balance between high single thread performance and enough cores.

>>59703658
4 core 4 threads is a retarded buy in 2017

Even if the R5 is 10% slower in games that doesn't justify buying a 4 core 4 thread over a 6 core 12 thread

You're simply buying close to obsolete hardware

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It's been quite some time, so I've been thinking to build myself a new rig. Everything is priced just under $500, so that's good for me. Any thoughts on this list? Mostly use my computer for gaming and movies.

>>59704033
Get some 2400MHz DDR4. The G4560 supports and benefits from it.

>>59703991
>MORE COREZ IS BETTER XDDDDDD

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>>59704131
>MORE MEGAHURRZ IS BETTER NO GAMES USE MORE THAN FOUR THREADS XDDDDDD

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>>59704131
>BUY A G3258 IT'S THE BEST GAMING CPU GAMES ONLY USE TWO CORES XDDDDDD
>BUY A G4560 IT'S THE BEST GAMING CPU GAMES ONLY USE TWO CORES PLUS HYBERBEDDING XDDDDDD
>BUY AN I5 IT'S THE BEST GAMING CPU GAMES ONLY USE FOUR CORES XDDDDDD
>I WILL LITERALLY NEVER EVER LEARN MY LESSON XDDDDDD

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>>59704234
>mfw my old Athlon X4 860K at 4.4GHz is more stable and consistent than an overclocked G3258 or a G4560
I might get lower peak FPS and slightly lower overall FPS, but I do not get frame skips nearly as often as a Pentium.

>>59699108
>>59700033
Get a Corsair node case and use a Pentium g4560 instead. It will save you some money. If porn and programming are literally your only things, drop the graphics card, too.

>>59704111
Good to know. Added Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory to the list and it's cheaper to boot.

>>59704335
You'll want two sticks to run in dual channel, or you'll incur a large hit to performance. Even 2x4GB is fine.

>>59704033
Why 2 1tb hdd instead of 1 2tb hdd?

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https://youtu.be/nLRCK7RfbUg?t=493 (8:15)

Seems there is some weight to what AdoredTV was claiming in RoTR - a titan XP should annihilate a 295x2 but that clearly isn't the case. Clearly in this game (and possibly others) there is an issue between Nvidia's drivers and ryzen - the specifics of which are unknown and will probably never be known given the black box nature of gpu drivers.

>>59704396
Okie doke.

>>59704400
To have core files on one and other files on the other. Or is that stupid to do?

>>59704503
You could use an ssd for system and an hdd for the rest

I'm going to buy dual xeons
ahoy

>>59704660
What are you going to do with them?

It's impossible to find the Asus VS239HP outside of US.
Is there a good substitute?
A ~23 inch IPS panel for general use and gaming.

>>59704672
probably going to use them mainly for hosting a few servers, otherwise medium tier drawing/rendering and some gaming every fullmoon

>>59704697
Use a ryzen 1700 because cores. It's cheaper in CPU and motherboard.

>>59701918
Can i get some help on this one?
What Case do you recommend for the noctua and what temps should i expect to see?

>>59704476
Really makes you think.

>>59698634
Don't bother. Just get a 4790k and sell it.

Can wind up just being a $150 difference and you get way less locks and stutters as a result.

>>59699108
>i5
Obviously not. Why do you even have to ask?
That case is also huge for mITX. Could go go one that doesn't fit 3.5" for much smaller.

>>59699147
mATX imo. Cheaper, sexy cases.
If you really need more than a slot for graphics and one extra later on, you can get a PCIe splitter for the extras.

>>59699135
Nice, though I was pointing out the cache latencies. The ram was only 2666, yeah.

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>>59699921
>hello, does anyone know what the average vcore voltage is for a 1700x ?
>at default settings my 1700x seems to fluctuate between 1.220 and 1.4 volts.
The efficient point for Ryzen is in the low 1.2v and lower.
Above that, you give a lot more voltage for not much higher frequency.

If I'm not mistaken, the 1800X bumps all the way up to 1.475v to reach those 4.1Ghz boosts.
AMD recommends you stay around 1.35-1.4v with an overclock at most.

>>59700559
Dual Vega nanos, obviously.

>>59700584
I see plenty of nice, clean looking B250 and B350 motherboards.

>>59700794
This is outdated.
Many of those PSU models switched manufacturers more than a year ago and became shit.

I don't understand why people think a PC parts ranking list can hold up for years.

>>59701918
Just get a 1TB 850 Evo instead of the NVMe. You'll hardly notice the speed difference and it'll be much less hassle having 1TB on a single drive.

>>59705857
That's why I linked 2 updated sources as well.

>>59702107
No idea. I doubt most on /g/ knows. Check reviews and comparisons and let us know.

>>59702636
Like >>59703465 said, I think you can get a 4670k for that budget, and will be able to keep your RAM.

4c/4t are heavily falling off with most games the past few years, though.
You really might be better off getting like a locked 4770 or 4790.

>>59703658
Because most games for the past few years use hyperthreading well to the point that a 6700 locked at stock speeds would outperform a 6600k overclocked to 4.8ghz, and overclocking to 4.8 costs a lot more money. So you were paying more for less performance.
>The 7600k seems better than the 7700 especially for gaming, so what gives?
Don't get how you get this idea. You're looking at benchmarks that are rigged in now days.
Now with the 1080 and 1080Ti around it's much easier to find benchmarks that aren't GPU bottlenecked where you can see the 7700 is on average gives about 35% higher minimum frames stock than the 7600k, and overclocking the 7600k still is worse on average.
Maybe on a few cherry picked games the 7600k heavily overclocked with a $150 motherboard and $150 cooler outperforms, but not on average even after spending so much on a motherboard and cooler.

And when hyperthreaded pentiums came, suddenly you had a $60 CPU that's 80% as good on average as an i5-7500. It no longer has the multi-second locking and stutters problem that the 2c/2t tended to have.
You can pay more for 4c/4t, but you still get tons of stuttering and shit anyway. Not worth the extra money for something that's still bad and hardly better.

>>59704503
>To have core files on one and other files on the other. Or is that stupid to do?
Yes. That's stupid. Partition them instead.

Get a single 2TB or 3TB.

Or honestly? Try to stretch your budget to get a 1TB SSD. You can get them for $270.
Yeah it's a lot, but it's something you'll probably use for 10+ years as long as you get a reasonably good one with a decent lifespan like the Crucial MX300.

>>59704033
To add to that, I'd recommend you not even get the RX460.
Just use the integrated graphics on the G4560 and add a GPU on later.

Otherwise it's going to be like starting over in a few years.

Same advice I gave: >>59698452

>Display driver amdkmdap stopped responding and has successfully recovered.

>>59704697
>>59704892
It's not just that, but the Ryzen has waaaay newer features than those old Xeons.
USB 3.1 and so on is going to be helpful.

also why get 2 xeons when you can get >>59705816 16/32t core at 4ghz.


>>59705875
>That's why I linked 2 updated sources as well.
yeah well most people are just going to look at the wrong picture.

>>59706081
You still haven't clean uninstalled the driver and installed an updated one, have you, you lazy shit?

>>59705346

Memes aside it does create some interesting theories into how Nvidia's driver handles things in its scheduler. The so-called Kepler wonder-driver was a result of Nvidia effectively multi-threading their driver (something AMD has never done, either because they can't or rely too much on hardware scheduling (note: hardware scheduling is superior when it works)) despite DX11 more or less not supporting the feature in this context. The amount of hacks both AMD and Nvidia do in their driver to unfuck both DX and games is nothing short of staggering and is a major reason why Intel will be behind for a long, long time no matter how good their igpu is - Intel is simply not equipped to deal with the shit the driver teams have to put up with.

>>59706122
>You still haven't clean uninstalled the driver and installed an updated one, have you, you lazy shit?
I literally just did it right now you faggot, installed the non-beta 17.2.1 driver manually without the AMD software, and then crashed 1 minute into a game. I'm feeling more and more like it's a hardware issue that's unrelated to the GPU, but I haven't had the patience to test out every single driver version.

>>59706122
What's wrong with the PCMR psu picture exactly?

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>>59705816

I can't get my 1700 to pass a standard run of IBT at all - even when I pumped obscene voltage through it the chip never made it through pass 7 of whatever IBT crunches (its effectively part of linpack right?). At 3.9ghz though the chip sips power and spits performance.

Peaking at 120w under torture loads? I'll take that. It probably means realistically its sucking down in the 80-90w range for typical vidya and other such workloads.

>>59706122
>also why get 2 xeons when you can get >>59705816 16/32t core at 4ghz.
Thing is that the xeons are buttfuck tiers of cheap these days, and AM4 server boards are literally fucking nowhere to be seen at decent prices.
Am I going to be getting a ryzen in the future? fuck yeah
For now? nah

>>59703626
>>59703658
You can also go with the Ryzen 1700. It's also faster than the 7600k on average and roughly the same cost.
But the 1600 or 1600X would probably be better for someone that was considering just 4c/4t to begin with.

Even in a game like Overwatch, where a G4560 is perfectly fine for like 100+ fps, the 1700 outperforms the 7600k because modern game engines almost always use use SMT/HT.

>>59706213
Ah. What do you need a server board specifically for?

>>59706179
>What's wrong with the PCMR psu picture exactly?
The hell? I already answered that when I said it wasn't accurate anymore. >>59705857

One that stands out is that Corsair changed manufacturers on their lower brand PSUs like CS and CX and they're super junk now.

>>59706217

> Overwatch, where a G4560 is perfectly fine for like 100+ fps

Don't forget to close down your web browser first! Oh skype too and I supposes your email client.

>>59706261
To add to this, you're largely simply best off looking for a PSU that suits your needs on Amazon or Newegg, then filtering reviews down to the past 6 months or year.
Look how much the Corsair CX series reviews have dropped over time.

>>59706271
Sure. Obviously a 4c/8t, 6c/12t, or 8c/16t is much better there. It was merely an example of how HT/SMT tends to be utilized well for the past few years and how a 4c/4t is bad and not worth i5 prices.

Frankly I don't think the R3 4c/4t are going to really be worth the $130 or whatever if that's what they cost.
I would think they'll end up selling some 3c/6t once the APUs come out and they have one with both a busted iGPU and a core. 3c/6t would on average probably be much better than 4c/4t, especially with how good AMD's SMT is, and they could be under $100.

>>59706261
What about Evga b1 series?

R8 pls

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rnqftJ

>>59698233
why the FUCK are the 1050 and 1050 ti no longer worth it???

>>59706375

They weren't worth it new - the 470 saw to that.

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>>59706346
afaik the cheaper EVGAs suffer the same issue cheaper Corsairs are now. I think both changed manufacturers.

For cheap PSUs, I'd just stick with Seasonic. You can get a 550W gold for like $60-$70.

>>59706375
>why the FUCK are the 1050 and 1050 ti no longer worth it???
For the 1050Ti, because it's around the same cost as 4GB RX470s (you can find them for $110-$120 and get them even cheaper with extra deals)

The RX470 is about 45% better than the 1050Ti, yet costs around the same. Why would you get he 1050Ti?
I don't think 1050Ti was ever worth it even before RX470s were dropping so low in prices.

As for the 1050: Just use the iGPU until you can afford a better GPU. the iGPU on the G4560 is about half as powerful as the 1050 which is good enough for something "free".

>>59706351
I hear those ASUS X370 boards are pretty shit, unless they've improved them already.

Also for that money, you could probably go 520W fanless. Or don't they make 520W fanless yet? I forget.
You could just get Windows off Kinguin for about $20, too.

>>59706261
>Ah. What do you need a server board specifically for?
I don't specifically need one, I'd really be happy to have one though.
While a Ryzen 1700 could easily poop on the server setup I'm looking at, I'd like something I could add a second Ryzen (if I'd buy one) to.

>>59706351
What monitor do you have?

>>59706553
I want to add a 2560x1440@144Hz, hence the gtx1080ti

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are there any cases like the Lian Li PC - Q37 that aren't nearly $300? They don't even need to be tempered glass, just a similar aesthetic.

>>59706576
I think it's a waste of money, have you ever seen one for yourself at 144Hz?

>>59706595
what's the similar aesthetic here?
a box?

>>59706522
Oh yeah. I'm hoping for dual socket HEDT boards, but it seems unlikely.. will need specifically server boards for Snowy Owl/Naples, I bet, which will cost a ton.

>>59706595
Thermaltake makes a few.
I think they're dumb, but whatever.

>>59706672
What would you suggest if I have a lot of money to waste? Three 1920x1080's? 4k?

>>59706773
Regular 60Hz 2560x1440 IPS and a gtx 1080 or wait to see what Vega offers and get a freesync or Gsync one based on performance between the two.

>>59706773
>1080p
Gross.

I'd get a 2560x1600 16:10
I'm waiting for HDR10 myself.

Vega is supposed to have something to inject HDR10 support into older games, which sounds fucking awesome.

>>59706867
won't vega be another two or three months or something? My cash fire is burning right now, not in two months

>>59706175
>Install older drivers
>crash
>install newer drivers
>crash

>RMA card
>Still crash

Well I sure liked this RX480 until this started happening

>>59706922
A month or two.

Should be late May by the latest. Isn't that at most under 2 months?

HDR10 monitors probably not until late this year.

>>59707004
Clean install and install a slightly older drivers?
You're installing stable and not beta drivers, right?
Can also try the newest beta ones.

>>59707042
I've been using DDU the whole time. I just cleanly installed 17.2.1, which is the last "stable" driver on the website, went into a game and crashed almost instantly.

Then I DDU'd and installed 17.3.3, played for a little bit, then crashed at a loading screen, tells me my rendering device was lost, radeon settings crashes, and Event Viewer says "Display driver amdkmdap stopped responding and has successfully recovered."

I'm really getting buttmad over this since I've tried everything from OS reinstalls, reseating the GPU, changing PCIE slots, underclocking and undervolting, and I'm starting to run out of options before I just buy an NVIDIA card.

>>59707130
Is it just that one game, or all of the?
If it's all of them, yeah I guess you need to RMA.

I know a newer driver was crashing Nier and you had to roll back to the release before it, but that's all I've heard of a problem lately.

Was about to pull the trigger on a 7600K build and got cold feet.

Given that I'm right on the edge of my budget would I be better served by a locked 7700 with stock cooler and B250 board? Absolutely can't stretch to a 7700K + board and cooler.

And no. I'm not going pooinloo.

>>59707542

>And no. I'm not going pooinloo.

Then you have chosen poorly.

Thats okay though, people doing stupid things lets the rest of us know not to do it.

>>59707604
AMD shills out in force today running damage control for Ryzen. Beautiful.

>>59707604
At UK prices Ryzen just doesn't make any sense. 1700 non-X is the same price as a 7700K. Same board prices. Less performance. More headaches.

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>>59707625
>it's shilling when I'm proven wrong

>>59707542
Yes. On average, the 7700 on a B250 board will outperform a highly overclocked 7600k while also being cheaper.

You used to be about to find 7700s for $260 as well, but demand has gone up now that people have finally gotten to see benchmarks that aren't GPU bottlenecked with the 1080Ti arriving. So they're usually around $290 now, but they come with a cooler and need a cheaper board so it's still cheaper.

You could also simply get a 1600X which is the same price and will outperform the 7600k on average as well, while still being able to overclock.

There are a number of CPU options you could consider, but an i5 is not one of them.

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>>59698233
Can somebody with more knowledge on this subject than I tell me if this is a decent build for a 1k budget?

>>59707542
>>59707802
Here's the simplest way to put it:

7600k at 4.8ghz is slightly less than 20% faster than the 7700 on 4 threads at 4ghz.
4.8 is 20% higher than 4.0. Simple.

But hyperthreading, on average, is about a 30-35% increase in minimum framerates. In some cases, HT on vs off is over a 50% increase in minimum frame rates, even. In other applications, HT is is good for almost a 60% increase and AMD's SMT over a 70% increase. On average, AMD's SMT is about 30% better than HT, but in games the cross CCX causes latency issues on most current games.
This is when you're not GPU bottlenecked, obviously.

30-35% is higher than <20%. Simple, right?

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>>59707171
That's the thing, I actually JUST got it back from a RMA. They gave me the same serial card too, so I can only figure they just cleaned it, applied thermal paste, etc, so I'm presuming it's either a software issue with the drivers, or some godawful hardware issue. I didn't have this for the first 3~ weeks I had this card and then it started crashing.

When it does is pretty random though. Overwatch pisses it off a lot, I've only had a few problems with something like RE7, and even something basic like Disgaea 2 PC made it crash.

I just played several rounds of Overwatch, then it loads up the same map I played before, and bam, crash to desktop. Then screen locks up, goes black, and another driver crash while ON desktop.

>>59707837
post the link.

>>59707837
Don't get an FX 6300 when new. Also you realize with the cooler it's really $112, right?
I've heard some people finding deals to get an FX-8320 AND motherboard for $100. That's the only way that becomes worth it over just getting a G4560.

Also.. your budget is $900?
Oh Jesus your build is really bad for that price, the more I look at it.
Luckily I have one already prepared:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BPMHLD

$795 for a 1500X and 8GB RX480.
You could increase the SSD to 1TB or add a 2TB HDD and still be roughly within your budget.

The deal for buying newegg giftcards off groupons ends today, so make sure you do that, and use Ebates for more savings.

Are TN's nowadays good or are they still shit?

>>59707990

A good TN is better than a bad IPS. That has always been the case.

>>59707907
Budget is 1k but I'd prefer to spend less if I can then use the entire budget.
That's a HDD, SSD's are nice but it seems like more of a luxury item for later down the line though perhaps I'm mistaken. Thanks for your advice!

>>59707904
Of course, sorry.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/F2Pkyf

>>59707907
Oh you mean the SSD on your provided build, should've known that.

>>59707990

'good' tn's have always existed but they universally suck for larger (>24") screens

Getting pretty hard to keep waiting for Ryzen R5s here. Would be a lot easier with some reliable 1600 benchmarks. Got the money for an intel build sitting here burning a hole in my pocket. If AMD deliver another dud I'm holding you fucks responsible. Consider yourselves on notice.

>>59708220
>If AMD deliver another dud
When. You people never learn.

>>59708220
>we're responsible for AMD not delivering
besides, Intel /may/ decide to drop their prices when Ryzen launches, if that happens, be sure to hold us responsible

>>59708062
So good 23" TN's exist that can reach the water to IPS screens?

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>>59708220
The simulated ones seem perfectly reliable if you plan to overclock to 3.9 all-core.
It's the same CPU. Just with 1 core on each CCX disabled and binned lower.
You might only reach 3.8ghz too, so that'd be a 5% drop over the 4Ghz benchmarks.

A 3.8Ghz 1600 should still well outperform the 7600k at 4.8ghz on average, except in highly single threaded games, while still having lots of performance to spare for other applications that you have running in the background.

>>59708332
BenQ ones were good when they've came out years ago. Others caught up and exceeded those in picture quality while also having good response time.

But why not just get a quick IPS?

>>59708474
Because where i'm buying from, they don't have any of the old but godlike IPS ones anymore. Only in america they still have the ones i want and i'm having trouble even finding standard IPS' in romania. It's all TN or noname shit they have over there.

>>59708556
Oh. Here we have tons of good LG IPS panels for gaming in America.

Idk man. I think those BenQ are still decent if you have them.

>>59708023
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QzfBYr

best i could do, dont buy fucking windows 7.

>>59709085
>1x8gb ram
>seagate

>>59709135
neither of those are bad.

better to leave room for upgrades.

Should I go for Ryzen 1800x/1700x/1700 or I7 7700k for pure gaming ans future proofing?

>>59709085
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/LLcKbj

here i made it better

>>59709275
1700

Rate my setup
I5 4460
R9 280x
8gb ram
2x 1080p 60hz monitors
Cherry mx Brown cm storm quickfire ultimate
Steelseries rival 300
Ath m40x

>>59709339
Reason?

>>59709275
7700k.

but if you want to be a memer then 1700.

>>59709344
adequate/10

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>>59709351
because its better

>>59709642
how do rizen compare to my i7 920

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Should i upgrade from a 4690k?

I have more money than common sense

>>59709685
Better in every single way even a 2nd gen FX cpu is a little better than the first gen i7's

>>59709708
no

>>59709813
how much more better

>>59709327
Your link doesn't work, 404 not found, but https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BPMHLD was probably better anyway.
Could add a HDD or upgrade to the 1600X+cooler if >>59707837 wants to spend more.

>>59709275
For pure gaming, the 1600X.

>>59709685
>how do rizen compare to my i7 920
About 3.5x faster when it comes to the 1800X, 2.625x faster for the 1600X.

>>59709708
>Should i upgrade from a 4690k?
>I have more money than common sense
I'd say anyone with a 4c/4t that has money ought to upgrade, yes.
For an affordable upgrade, you could buy a 4790k for $300(if you have a microcenter near by)-$500 and sell the 4690k for like $150 I think.

If you really have more money than sense, get a decent 1TB SSD, and maybe upgrade to the 1600X? Or 1800X or a more heavily overclocked 1700/1700X if you that's still not enough spent.

>>59709685
An A12-9800K beats your i7-920 in both single and multi-threaded benchmarks

>>59709927
A12-9800K are nice, but hard to come by.

AMD was supposed to launch Bristol Ridge to consumers this quarter. I'm not sure what's going on.

The A12-9800K is pretty much 1050 performance, if I'm not mistaken. And it's overclockable on a B380 motherboard.
If you could just get a $80 B350 motherboard and that CPU for $100-$125, that'd usurp the G4560 in performance/$ I believe. You can clock that CPU up to 4.5Ghz easy to make up for the IPC shortcomings.

I can't find them for sale. Not even tray sales.

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1440p monitors ever going to get the HDR treatment? I gave in a bought a memeS4 and nothing I have can display HDR.

With the 1080ti, Vega, and Ryzen making splashes, it'll be time to upgrade to 1440p 144Hz soon anyway, so I'd prefer to be economical and only buy one display device at a time. No sense in handing out the cash for a HDR 4k TV AND a 1440 144Hz monitor.

>>59710031
I bought one on ebay for $130. They're pulled out of HP and Dell prebuilts from a year ago.
I sold it once I realized that it wasn't FM2+ compatible.

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Was getting idle temps at 30ish with a corsair h100i v2. Took it back and got a h110i and now my idles are closer to 40. Fucking great. What did I do?

>>59710098
Being AM4 compatible just makes it better.

You can get one now, then upgrade to a Ryzen CPU and Vega/Volta/Navi GPU later.

Hell of a lot better than the G4560 iGPU.
DDR4 fixes the only shortcomings that AMD iGPUs used to have gainst Intel's.

The A12-9800k will play everything I've seen except for GR Wildlands.

>>59710175
Never fucking buy corsair AIOs again, that's what. You should have gotten a big noctua or bought an AIO that's not shit and worse than a big air cooler.

>>59710035
No idea. I'm looking for a 2560x1600 will little hope in sight.

With Vega coming with that HDR10 injection to give HDR10 support to older games, I really can't even consider a non-HDR10 monitor but I also can't consider one that's not 16:10 between 2560x1600 and 3840x2400

>>59710361
>You can get one now, then upgrade to a Ryzen CPU and Vega/Volta/Navi GPU later.
...Or wait for the R3 1200X which costs the same as the A12-9800 (at OEM prices). There's a reason why AMD isn't selling them to consumers.

>>59698233
>The only worthwhile gfx cards are RX470 4GB, RX480 8GB, R9 Fury, 1070, 1080, 1080Ti.
So the 1050, 1050 ti, and 1060 are Housefire cards now? What's with the sudden shilling of AMD?

>>59710386
It doesn't have an iGPU, you dumb ass.
The G4560 and A12-9800 do.

>>59710395
The fuck are you talking about? How dumb are you that you can't answer that question yourself.

The 1060 is <= the 8GB RX480 while the RX480 is cheaper.
The 1050Ti is roughly equal to the RX470 4GB, while the RX470 4GB is 45% faster.
The 1050 is hardly better than the iGPU on a G4560 and never worth buying ever, just like the 460.

How the hell do you need someone wasting their time to spell something that simple out to you?

>>59710455
who gives a shit about iGPUs

>>59710455
The fuck are you talking about? How dumb are you that you can't answer that question yourself.
Sorry, AMD didn't email me any shilling opportunities.
>The 1060 is <= the 8GB RX480 while the RX480 is cheaper.
Debatable.
The 1050Ti is roughly equal to the RX470 4GB, while the RX470 4GB is 45% faster.
Not everyone needs the extra power. I don't see any 470s that run off PCI-E power alone
>The 1050 is hardly better than the iGPU on a G4560 and never worth buying ever, just like the 460.
Again, not everyone needs all that power.
>How the hell do you need someone wasting their time to spell something that simple out to you?
Sorry for discussing stuff in a forum.

>>59710470
Maybe people considering a shittier card like the 1050?

The fucking iGPU on the A12-9800 is roughly the as powerful as the 1050, yet it's a fucking CPU as well for the same fucking cost, you stupid shit.

Then you have the G4560 which iGPU is half as powerful as the 1050. Well the fucking 1050 costs twice as much as the G4560, it costs as much as you can get an RX470 for (which is 190% as fast as the 1050).

You have to be retarded to think someone should waste $100 on a 1050 when either:
a. the G4560 iGPU is sufficient compared to how weak the 1050 is
b. the 470 costs $10-$20 more and is 190% its performance.

>>59710521
>The 1050Ti is roughly equal to the RX470 4GB
Lying like that makes you an asshole. See: >>59706446
Even in an Nvidia optimized game like GR Wildlands, the 470 still outperforms the 1050Ti. It's that bad.

So we have two conclusions:
You're both either retarded, or you're shills.

>>59710455
>The 1050 is hardly better than the iGPU on a G4560
No, the 1050 and 460 are much better than the HD 630. Even the Iris Pro P580 on the E3-1585 v5 lags behind the GTX 750 Ti

>>59710563
Call me a shill one more time faggot. I triple dog dare you.

>>59710361
>HDR10
How much of a difference does this shit actually make? Isn't it just boosting the contrast?

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>>59710455
>>59710361
Holy shit dude, you really need to stop suggesting the fucking A12-9800 as a viable starter CPU just because it's AM4 compatible. Anybody that is so hard-up for cash that they would go down this road would be better off saving for an actual CPU/GPU combination that is functional in 2017 or just getting a G4560 based budget build so they at least have powerful single threaded performance to pair with a budget GPU while they limp along with its iGPU for a little while.

Nobody will be happy with what an A12-9800 brings to the table as an APU. It's $120 down the fucking drain.

>>59710521
>not everyone needs all that power
Yet you recommend the 1050 over using the iGPU on the G4560 or A12-9800K?

That makes no sense, especially when the iGPU on the A12 is very similar to the 1050

The A12 iGPU is 1.13 TFLOPS
The 1050, which costs roughly what an A12-9800K costs for only a GPU, is 1.733TFLOPS

>>59710576
>No, the 1050 and 460 are much better than the HD 630
Sure, it's about 2-3x as good.

So you recommend spending $100 on a 1050Ti for a GPU that's at best 300% as good as the G4560.
But I'm the "AMD shill" for suggesting someone instead spend $110-$120 on a RX470 that's 690% as good?

$100 is not worth 2-3x the performance over the iGPU. $120 is worth almost 4x it.

If someone is so fucking poor that they must consider saving $10-$20 on a 1050 over a RX470, they should just use the iGPU and turn their settings down. That's the best recommendation someone should be given.

Anything under an RX470, people should consider using the iGPU.
The only exception is a 1050Ti ITX build, but even then they're better off waiting for Raven Ridge.

This is not a subjective argument.

>>59710662
>Nobody will be happy with what an A12-9800
There are lots of people that use a G4560 with the iGPU, you retard.

It's good for 60fps+ in games like Dota2. And the A12-9800K is twice as good as it.

I'm not going to argue with the same sort of brainless shills that suggest a 1050 to someone, so don't bother replying.

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>>59710361

Which AIO don't suck then? I don't want a noctua becasue they are pretty ugo desu.

>>59710673
>So you recommend spending $100 on a 1050Ti for a GPU that's at best 300% as good as the G4560.
>But I'm the "AMD shill" for suggesting someone instead spend $110-$120 on a RX470 that's 690% as good?
>This is not a subjective argument.
See that nigga?
Damn nigga chill
Chill nigga chill
I'm just pointing out that the iGPUs in Intel's LGA1151/BGA1446 are not as powerful as a $100 discreet GPU

>>59710707
There's actually tons of tech reviewers that'll test them. Just look for ones that actually run a torture test for an hour.

>>59710728
And I'm pointing out that the $100 for a 1050 is not worth only a 300% increase in performance over the iGPU which is good enough to play most games on low settings when for $20 more you could get 690% the performance instead.

What I'm saying makes sense. What you're saying is not.

If in UK the 1050 is 80bong while the RX470 is 160bong, then maybe it makes sense there. But I'm pretty sure they aren't only 80bong there since they're $100+ here.

>>59710757
>What I'm saying makes sense. What you're saying is not.
Nigga, the only thing I said was that the HD 630 isn't anywhere near as good as the 1050 and 460
Literally my only post to you >>59710576
You're arguing with someone else and are blaming me for it
I hope your mom dies of black cock overdose in her sleep tonight

>>59710707
>>59710757
Looking again..
The Corsair H110 is supposed to be good. And the H90. It's the H100i or whatever that's dogshit.

The Swiftech H240 outperforms the Noctua in both noise levels and cooling levels, which most AIOs don't, so maybe that one.
It looks neat, too.

>>59710775
I got you mixed up from someone in earlier comments, but me too.
But I never said the G4560 iGPU wasn't worse. I said the 1050 isn't worth the cost for what you get over the iGPU, especially with how close in price the RX470 is to it. No one should be arguing with that. And it's pointless to try to argue other points that I never said and are completely irrelevant.

>>59710814
>The Corsair H110 is supposed to be good
Bullshit. I've owned one and the fan noise is fucking atrocious. Went back to my NZXT x61 Kraken and never looked back.
Also
>Swiftech
Enjoy your 3-month leak

>>59709845
More effiencent
More cores
DDR4
PCIE 3
USB 3.1
Way higher IPC
Higher clocks
Better gaming performance
Not a housefire (no TIM)
ect...

Ryzen is way better than Nehalem

>>59710707
>retard that bought babby lake
>considering a AIO
pottery

>>59710879
Were Nehalem not soldered?

And frankly, TIM itself isn't a problem. It's just that Skylake TIM is shitty and delidlake TIM is even worse.

>>59710891

All I do is game on my pc these days why wouldn't i buy a 7700k?

>>59710892
>It's just that Skylake TIM is shitty and delidlake TIM is even worse.
The TIM isn't the issue, it's the excessive spacing caused by the bonding used to keep the heat spreader in place

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>>59710911
because ryzen is better in every single way?

Haaaalp im about to move out and i decide i want make pc for gaming and maybe media things like make music and browse internet obviously what do i need to know teach me oh great computer masters!!!!

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>>59710911

>>59710977
>>59710957

ohh i got meemed

>>59710971
You're supposed to give budget and shit

>>59711035
Money is not issue i just want good info on how to get started

>>59711052
i just want you to fuck off back to /v/

Need some input.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813144018
Did anyone here get this motherboard, and is it good?

Also, I'm planning on getting a RX 480 GPU. Should I go for 8GB or is it overkill?

>>59711119
yea thats a good mobo, id also try to get a XFX GTR 480

>>59711052
Xeon E3-1280 v6
C236 motherboard with IPMI support
One or two sticks of 16GB unbuffered ECC RAM
Intel P3700 400GB PCIe SSD
At least two Seagate ST600MP0136 SAS drives and an LSI MegaRAID SAS3 9361-8i controller
Tempered glass ATX case
850W 80+ Platinum full-mod PSU
Windows Server 2016 license
Now fuck off back to /v/

>>59711052
Get a good 1TB NVMe SSD
A 2TB SATA SSD
X370 motherboard with a 1800X.
A 1080Ti or wait for Vega.
That should be around $2-$2.5k

>>59711119
Is the 8GB RX480 ROG Strix not on sale still? That's a pretty good one. It was $200 with $30MIR the past 2 days.

Otherwise, just get a 4GB RX70 not a 4GB RX480 since you can get those for $110-$120.

>>59711166
>$150 for a used 4core 3.5/3.7 Ghz Xeon.
Come on. You could have at least suggested a newer 18 core at the very least.

>>59711190
>$150 for a used 4core 3.5/3.7 Ghz Xeon
Nigga v6 just went on sale this week
1280s start at $450, but are price gouged due to large demands from OEMs

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>>59710689
>There are lots of people that use a G4560 with the iGPU, you retard.
Where the fuck did I state otherwise, you stupid cunt? In fact, that's what I'd recommend doing.

I think it's an idiotic investment to sink a bunch of money into a nearly impossible to find OEM AM4 APU when spending $70 on a G4560 and parlaying the savings from going with that into something like an RX470 when it can be afforded makes infinitely mores sense.

You'd then have a setup that smokes your shitty 1.13 TFLOP APU while providing a similar upgrade path to decent Kaby CPUs if CPU bottlenecks become an issue. You're as retarded as your advice suggests.

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>>59710395
>The only worthwhile gfx cards are RX470 4GB, RX480 8GB, R9 Fury, 1070, 1080, 1080Ti.

>So the 1050, 1050 ti, and 1060 are Housefire cards now? What's with the sudden shilling of AMD?

>Half the cards listed are AMD.
>Half are Nvidia.
>And the list is correct for the various price brackets.
Some serious AMD shilling, there, huh.

Is there a such thing as a good Bluetooth dongle or are they all trash?

>>59711161
>XFX GTR 480

Any specific reasons? I was leaning towards the Sapphire Nitro, but that was purely due to its design, so I'm open for all suggestions.

>>59711190
>Is the 8GB RX480 ROG Strix not on sale still? That's a pretty good one.

It's not available where I live, unfortunately. My country would also rape my wallet if I dare import it.

Rate my build, if you can help out with choices, please do.
PCPartPicker part list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/G9YG6X
Price breakdown by merchant: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/G9YG6X/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($343.22 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i v2 70.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($99.99 @ Jet)
Motherboard: Asus STRIX Z270-E GAMING ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($186.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($119.88 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($177.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($48.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB Founders Edition Video Card ($698.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Corsair 750D ATX Full Tower Case ($149.99 @ B&H)
Power Supply: Corsair RMx 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit ($138.88 @ OutletPC)
Wireless Network Adapter: Asus PCE-AC68 PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter ($91.88 @ OutletPC)
Monitor: Dell S2716DG 27.0" 2560x1440 144Hz Monitor ($644.99 @ B&H)
Keyboard: Corsair STRAFE RGB Wired Gaming Keyboard ($148.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $2960.57
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-02 21:21 EDT-0400

>>59711329
gaymer/10

Drop the fucking H100i for a good air cooler.
>full tower
>1 HDD/1 SSD
>Wireless
Consider powerline.
>that keyboard
Just no.
>G-Sync meme
No.

>>59711407

Thanks for the help pal, you've been helpful. whats wrong with liquid cooling and gsync senpai?

>>59711217
I'm the one that recommend to just use the iGPU on the G4560 as well for an ultra-budget build, you dumb cunt.

Also, you need to look better at the specs and benchmarks of the A12-9800K. It's a decent step up from the G4560.
It's roughly twice as powerful and you can find them for twice the price on ebay.

Spending $120+$80=$200 for an A12-9800K and B350 motherboard is somewhat reasonable considering it's over twice the GPU power of the $120 cpu+mobo G4560 and more CPU power overclocked as well.

And don't get me wrong, I'm not highly recommending the A12-9800 (I said it ought to be around $100), but it makes more sense than pairing a GTX 1050 with a G4560 instead of just using the iGPU on it and buying a better GPU later or getting the RX470 for $10-$20 more.

The difference here I was giving a "somewhat reasonable" example while there were shills mad that the 1050 wasn't considered because it's /completely unreasonable/ and the weakest dGPU worth buying is the 470.
Now, used GPUs are also and option, but too long for the OP.

>>59711296
They suggested the XFX GTR because it's the best one. But IMO it's not worth the costs I've seen it at.
There's been RX480s 8GBs in America as cheap as $150, often around $175-$200. But the XFX GTR one I've never seen cheaper than $230 as it's popular for being a particularly good one.

>>59711329
>H100i
no. These are one of the worst coolers you can buy.

>Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($177.89 @ OutletPC)
>Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($48.89 @ OutletPC)
Why not ditch the 1TB HDD and small SSD and just get a 1TB SATA SSD?

>Power Supply: Corsair RMx 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Your build is going to use maybe 500W max if you put both the CPU and GPU on torture tests at the same time. So 650W PSU is plenty.

>Wireless Network Adapter: Asus PCE-AC68 PCI-Express x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter ($91.88 @ OutletPC)
Wifi is a botnet.

>Dell S2716DG 27.0" 2560x1440 144Hz Monitor ($644.99 @ B&H)
Is this actually good? Dell are fantastic for productivity monitors but I figure an LG/Asus/Acer would be better for gaymen.
I mean your build seems gaymen focused, but the monitor isn't 16:10 and it's not Ryzen so I'm guessing not productivity build.

And buy windows off kinguin or something for $20.

>>59711441
I havent built a pc in 8-9 years and now I have the time and money to get a nice pc and play some gaymes. I want to keep my build at around $3,000. I picked most things on a whim. if you can recommend some good stuff, I'll make a new list or something.

>>59711407
I generally agree with this.

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>>59711441
>Wifi is a botnet.

>>59711484
I need wireless, since dropping a cat6 isnt really something I can do in my home

>>59711423
You're welcome. The H100i is indistinguishable in performance from high-end air coolers that cost about the same and it's much more prone to failure. Not worth it.

G-sync is literally tech snake oil. I can't even remember the last time I was bothered by screen tearing on my 144 Hz monitor.

>>59711423
Liquid cooling isn't much better than a good fan. It's aesthetics and trouble. Gsync is actually good, but it's a pretty hefty premium.

LEDs don't make the computer faster.

>>59711525
H100i is worse than high-end air coolers.

Noisier and worse cooling.

>>59711521
With your budget, you can lay cables.

It cost me like $100, including outlets so it looks nice.

>>59711521
Look up powerline. It's "magic, I don't gotta explain shit" tier but I'm using it right now. Miles better than wireless.

>>59711543
I have an okay wireless set up so thats all fine. I don't know anything about good fans, I just want something really silent.

>>59711573
Then you don't want a shitty pump from an H100i humming away right next to you. Air CPU coolers are basically inaudible in the right case. Also, you don't need a full tower, fuck.

>>59711546
You must have a shitty modem/router setup.

>>59711589
I didnt know whether or not the liquid cooling was quiet.

My cousin gave me an Asus h97 plus mb, i5 4690, 8gb ram ,when he upgraded, I was wondering what gpu should I pair with this?

>>59711661
Again: What's the budget?
You might want to upgrade the CPU to an 4c/8t like the 4790k.

>>59711639
Nah. Wireless is just shit, kid. Can't compete with anything wired. End of story.

>>59711642
It's actually louder than air because of the pump noise in most cases. Custom loops with massive radiators, multiple high end fans, and special pumps can be quiet but they aren't cheap. AIO water coolers like the H100i are memes.

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>>59711674
>yfw my wifi is within 95% of my wired speeds
>yfw I can get them 50m from my router

get rekt scrub

>>59711693
Why would you lie on the internet?

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>>59711674
No, it's not just the pumping noise that makes most AIOs louder.

It's that the big 120-140mm fans on large air coolers, often two of them, can run at much lower RPM than the overworked single 120mm that's pushing air through a radiator and trying to cool down liquid fast enough as it passes through.

There are VERY few AIOs that both outperform a big high end air cooler while are also quieter. And then you still have the problem of less reliability.

God I'm so sick of how this has to be explained 5 times each thread. I guess it belongs in the OP, doesn't it?

>>59711693
>mfw he thinks 95% speeds is good enough.

what's a good monitor in the <~$150 range if one is planning to play mainly fps gaymus?

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>>59711702
Archer 1900 + range booster. Don't act like you're not jealous.

>>59711673
>4790k
I'll think about it. $300 for the GPU at most.

>>59711693
>my wifi is within 95% of my wired speeds
>95%
>good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd9muK2M36c

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>>59711720
Why not just buy a $50 powerline adapter? Shit you're dumb.

>>59711703
Sorry that I dont know shit senpai. I never lurk.

>>59711723
>$300 for the GPU at most.

Well you can get the 4790k for $270 at microcenter, I believe. On the internet, I think it's like $300-$400, often used.
You can sell your 4690k for like $150.

That would leave you enough left over for a RX470 4GB which you can often find on sale for $110-$120 or less.

Now just for GPU.. You can sometimes find 1070s for about $325.
The R9 Fury you can find right now for $235, which is about 80-95% the performance of the 1070, at least at 1440p.

>>59711762
It's here in this thread already at least one other time, mentioning how bad the h100i is.

>>59711799
like I said, I dont lurk. I posted my build and asked for help.

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>>59711329

>CPU: Intel Core i7-7700K

Get an i5-7400 and pocket $160

Paying for overclocking is for cucks and there's virtually no benefit to having more than 4 cores/threads for gaming

>CPU Cooler: Corsair H100i v2 70.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler

For goyim, get rid of it - you're paying $260 at this point for the ability to squeeze an extra ~5-10% performance out of your CPU

>Motherboard: Asus STRIX Z270-E

Make that $400 now

Get a ~$50-$90 motherboard that has what you'll actually need, such as USB 3.0, DDR4 support, etc. - it might even be worthwhile just getting 2 RAM slots

>Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000

G. Skill DDR4-2666 CAS15 will save $20

>Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 500GB 2.5" Solid State Drive

Good

>Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive

You might want something bigger

>Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB

Get a 1070 for half the price - does everything highest settings at 60fps+ 1080p and probably will for some time to come

>Case: Corsair 750D ATX Full Tower Case

You're spending $150 on what is essentially a sheet of metal

Get something cheap that has USB 3.0 ports and adequate room

>Power Supply: Corsair RMx 750W 80+ Gold Certified

You're not going to see 80%+ efficiency consuming ~100-300W on a 750W PSU

Get a ~450-600W 80+ PSU (~$40) and save yourself the outlay and ongoing electricity costs

>Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit

Good goyim

>Monitor: Dell S2716DG 27.0" 2560x1440 144Hz Monitor

27" puts most of the screen outside even your semi-decent peripheral vision - especially bad for gaming

1440p is not as compatible as 1080p and will give you dips below 60fps sooner

For that price you'd want a good IPS panel, so either get an Acer XB270HU (only ~1.5ms extra lag) or save $400 and get a Dell U2417H (~7ms extra lag, which is still nothing)

>Keyboard: Corsair STRAFE RGB

RGB = meme. Can't plug and play with Linux. Side paint comes off quickly.

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>>59711758
You already need wifi broadcast for more mobile internet devices. My phone, laptop, tv, even my refrigerator use wifi. Why spend money on a peripheral like powerline?

>pic related
>approx. 150m from my router, in my car, on my laptop
>150/20 mpbs wired

Just here to say that if you scan r**dit /r/hardwareswap every day you WILL find used parts for a ridiculously low price. I fell into the meme of buying a fucking Skylake i5 6500 build sold that shit and got more power for less money.

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>>59711851
>recommending any i5
Stopped reading there.

>>59711871
>he doesn't know what latency is

>>59711871
Most first world modems have wifi functionality already built in for your basic bitch shit like phones/laptops/IoT. I'm just saying I'm not sure why you'd cuck yourself with a wireless setup on your main PC when simple, better wired options exist unless you live an a home over 100 years old. No exotic range boosters needed. Literally just plug it in and enjoy zero disruptions.

>I experience zero wireless disruptions.
Yeah, you're a fucking liar.

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>>59711958

2% FPS difference between an i5 4690 (equivalent of i5-7400) and i7 7700

Kill yourself now and avoid the rush

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New to watercooling. Here's my loop plan. I'm planning on not using a reservoir and just using a T-line with a specific filling method that I think will reduce the amount of air in my system to virtually nothing. Please let me know how retarded I am if it appears so.

Basically I plan to use hydraulic pressure to fill from the bottom and push any air out of the top of the loop on a T-line to vent. I'm planning on using quick disconnects to accomplish this with introducing no to minimal air into the loop. Then I will connect the T-fitting line that goes to the pump back in place.

First I will fill the pump using the two drain/fill lines with the female connectors as a standalone loop and run the pump for a second just to get it filled. Next I will disconnect both female ended QD lines and move one onto my valved T-line as my vent line. Then I will attach my male QD ended fill/drain line to my GPU QD line, which will use a water source at a height above my loop and will allow it to fill from the bottom up and push air out of the whole loop. Once the water goes past the valve and into the vent line I will close the vent and disconnect the vent line. I will disconnect the fill line here as well. Then I will then connect the GPU line to the pump as well as the line.

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>>59712042
>ancient benchmark from ancient shitty port that is GPU bottlenecked by a 4 GB 290X
>"F-four cores is all you need for gayming!"
2013 called, they want their PC building advice back.

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>>59711958
12ms from that far away is hardly something to scoff at. Inside my house it's 2-8ms.

>>59711978
>getting a combo modem/router

I get more disruptions from my ISP than I do my local network.

Besides all of this, wifi isn't some evil to be avoided. I can all but guarantee that you experience greater damage to your gameplay skeelz from your mood than you would from having a decent modem and router setup for wifi.

>>59712087
>Then I will connect the T-fitting line that goes to the pump back in place.
Whoops, I forgot to cut and paste that correctly. I meant to have this step right after filling the pump.

>>59712042
>gpu bottlenecked benchmarks

Kill yourself, retard. >>59708474

>>59712102
Even that one is GPU bottlenecked.

4.8Ghz 7700k is the same as 7700k.

If it wasn't GPU bottlenecked, the gains of the 7700k on vs off would be even higher.

>>59712151
Maybe, I mean the test was done with "just" a 1080. Could be an engine bottleneck at that point too, but it's at least not choked by the GPU so much that you can't see that the threads do matter, so it still is a valid benchmark for showing that i5s are shit.

>>59712197
I figured. 1080 is still the bottleneck for most games at 1080p maxed.

That's the whole problem and why so many people were convinced for years (despite evidence on the contrary for years) that the 7600k is the same as the 7700k in gaymen.

It shows it's better, but not exactly how much better.

The average that I've seen for minimum framerates is about a 30-35% increase. In some cases the min frame increase is even over 50%. Averages is lower, but minimums matter more.
In software the increase for multithreaded workloads on average is more around 35-40%, and sometimes nearly 60%.

>>59711329
>7700k
its shit get the ryzen 7 1700 instead

This has been much more discussion/shilling than there being many builds for the past half of it.

>>59712459
>This has been much more discussion/shilling than there being many builds for the past half of it.
Quit bitchin and give me a (you) in regards to

>>59712087
>>59712120

>>59712087
>>59712582
Seems pretty retarded senpai. If filled properly my understanding is that air shouldn't be trapped in the loop to any large extent. Custom loops are also a huge fucking waste of time.

>>59712582
>>59712087
So you... are trying to avoid having a reservoir?
But why? You do realize a reservoir reduces heat-soak, don't you?

This is no different than the pump and radiator(s) in cars. A big part of the reason why most AIOs suck is that there isn't enough liquid in them

>>59712087

Work on your schematic more.

You're also trying to reinvent the wheel thinking you found a magic bullet. Don't. Watercooling has been done for the past 20 or 30 years the way it has because it's the way it works.

So unless you're an engineer (judging by your shitty schematic, you are not.) with lots of money to potentially burn down parts or ruin pumps, stick to what works.

>>59712962
>So you... are trying to avoid having a reservoir?
Not necessarily, I just read that they pretty much only allow for ease of bleeding the air from a system. I figured that if I force the air out from the bottom up using hydraulic pressure it would eliminate the need to bleed in the first place and thereby eliminating the need for a reservoir. If a reservoir is actually a good thing I'm happy to add it in there, but it doesn't seem to fulfill a purpose when I could just fill it using my method in less time.

>You do realize a reservoir reduces heat-soak, don't you?
Isn't that only until the loop eventually normalizes and reaches it's max delta from ambient? From what I've read it really only changes the amount of time it takes for your loop to heat up and doesn't actually cool it anymore than not having it.

>If filled properly my understanding is that air shouldn't be trapped in the loop to any large extent
Right, I'm just trying to get it done faster and without having to run the pump to bleed out the bubbles. Rather I'm trying to make the act of filling the loop push the air out from the beginning.

>Custom loops are also a huge fucking waste of time.
I'm trying to get my EVGA 1080 FTW cooler as well as cool the VRM on it before it takes a shit (which is a big problem on EVGA FTW 1080s). I figured I might as well get my CPU in on it.

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How hard is it to upgrade a 2008 desktop? I have an old acer and was wondering if I could just slap pic related into it. (the tower is huge so space wouldn't be an issue)

>>59713220
I think you can send away for pads for free for the VRMs on those 1080s, no? Wouldn't help with the rest of it, just a suggestion, but yeah that thing is a timebomb so something has to be done about it.

>Isn't that only until the loop eventually normalizes and reaches it's max delta from ambient?
Yes, but having more liquid is still better than having less. One of the side benefits of liquid cooling is to be able to soak up so much heat through the liquid that the components never really get that hot in first place unless the system is being stressed for hours and hours on end.

What does a green screen means?

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>>59713220
>I just read that they pretty much only allow for ease of bleeding the air from a system.
I'm sure you've heard that, because for some reason people in the tech press and whatever know even less about computers than most car press knows about cars.

That's definitely the main reason, but having more liquid in the system makes it easier to keep the temp down.

>Isn't that only until the loop eventually normalizes and reaches it's max delta from ambient? From what I've read it really only changes the amount of time it takes for your loop to heat up and doesn't actually cool it anymore than not having it.
That is correct.
But it's still very useful for it to take longer for that to all heat up. But yes, if your radiator and fans are efficient enough you will keep it from ever heating up.

Also are you sure the liquid you have isn't going to expand as it reaches 60C+?

People have lots of troubles with OEM a2w intercoolers in cars that need a vacuum instead of having a reservoir. Lots add a reservoir to get rid of those issues.
The moment you get air in there, you get something that'll expand more under heat.

>I'm just trying to get it done faster and without having to run the pump to bleed out the bubbles
I know it's fun to engineer a thing.. but you're creating problems, not really solving them.

If you want to do some fun questionable engineering thing, you could make a passive loop with refrigerant and a vaporizer.
>picture related

>>59713394
A 750Ti for $130... huh?
Is this Mars prices?

Best buy has $150+$15 gift card on sale for $150.
The $15 bonus one must be used by April 14th.

Since they price match Newegg and Amazon, it could be wroth getting to get a Ryzen 5 or whatever you plan on getting for $15 cheaper.

>Purpose
First PC build. Going to use for general gaming like Overwatch (high pub/low tournament level, so 144 frames stable is the ultimate goal) and PUBG.

>Budget
$1000-1200 max, but the kicker is that includes a good monitor and kb/mouse

I'm in the US, willing to wait a while to buy things on sale. What the fuck do I get?

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>>59713506
>A 750Ti for $130... huh?
>Is this Mars prices?

idk , its just some of the recommended stuff from newegg, but yeah, would that work in and old computer or would it fry the mobo or some shit? Because if not, im wondering if pic is good.

>>59713807
The 750Ti is worth maybe $50 new.
It's about half as powerful as the RX470 4GB which you can find for $110-$120 usually.

>i3-6100
i3 are worthless.
A g4560 is 95% as good for $60.
However, the rest of your build looks perfectly fine except the H110 will need a BIOS flash in order to support kabylake.

>>59713764
I'm pretty sure a 1500X is 1070 is ideal for you, one sec.

Do you want 144hz at 1080p or 1440p?

>>59713807
>>59713829
Oh except the 4GB RX480 for that price.
A 470 isn't much slower but you can find them way cheaper.
You can get an 8GB RX480 on newegg, one that's actually good the ROG Strix, for $200.
If you buy 2 $100 newegg giftcards off groupon through Ebates you can get it for about $150 instead.

>>59713829
1080p is probably good. I'm not sure I can afford a 1440p 144hz

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Any comments on this? Trying to build my first pc. Once I add in two monitors I'd like to not go over $3000. My other option is to buy the razer blade pro when it comes out, which I realize I'll get shit on for, but I'm in the navy and I can't bring a desktop with me on underways, so it would be nice to have an awesome laptop.

>>59713857
6700K saves you $$$.

Will i5 6400 bottleneck a gtx 1080 badly?

>>59713829
>A g4560 is 95% as good for $60.
a "what g4560"? Intel ,AMD, Nvidia????


>However, the rest of your build looks perfectly fine except the H110 will need a BIOS flash in order to support kabylake
uuuuuhhhh I don't know what any of that means

>>59713857
If you're going to spend so much, why not get a Seasonic fanless PSU?
They're crazy high quality and efficient. About $130 for a 520watt, I think.

Your build looks fine. There's obviously cheaper options, but you spend a lot more for a little bit more performance.
You can also get a Windows key off Kinguin for like $20.

>>59713864
I also don't disagree with this.
Like.. you spend all that money for a 7700k build, and you likely will need to delid it to get the results you're looking for. Hell, some people even need to delid them stock with a decent cooler to get acceptable temps.
A 6700k is cheaper, 97% the same, and there is less need to delid.

With your budget, you could just go 1800X, though.
Or the 1950X once they come out.

>>59713866
lmao. yes. Even at 1080p with max settings in most games.

>>59713872
>a "what g4560"?
google g4560. the fuck.

>i don't know what any of that means
H110 is the motherboard chipset. It's compatible with the 6000 series i3 i5 i7 and 3000 series pentium g. but not the 7000 series i3 i5 i7 nor the 4000 series pentium g.

>>59713892
I'm not very good with this stuff so like, will that bottleneck hit at a decent fps? I don't have to use this processor forever, just this year/a few months and then I can upgrade to something else

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>>59713394
you will prob need the fastest cpu your board can take. Skip the 750 and wait a week for the $99 or less RX 560 or even 550 which will prob be $75 or less, pci powered so whatever psu it has now will prob power it.what cpu does it have btw?
>>59712102
>cherrypicked shit game that nobody plays
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>>59713764
>>59713851
Okay, it looks like even the RX480 or 1060 isn't good enough to play Overwatch MAXED at 144fps minimum.
But it looks like you should stick to around 145-200fps with the 1070.

And you will need a minimum of 8 threads, as it looks like Overwatch does rather poorly on a 4c/4t
So either a 1500X or 1600X...

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/BPMHLD
This build, but replace the RX480 with a GTX 1070. You can find them for as cheap as $325.

That'll make the PC $970, leaving up to $230 for the monitor and other shit in your $1200 budget.

That's as cheap as you can get 144fps minimum in Overwatch.

>>59713892
Also would a i7 6700 suffice?

>>59713939
Shit anon, thanks. I'm really out of my depth with this build but this feels like a good place.

>>59713913
That processor will bottleneck the RX470 heavily in many games, yes. But you'll get at least 60fps in a lot of them, 30fps bare minimum.

But it makes sense to either get a mismatched CPU or GPU, one much more powerful than the other, because it's easier and more affordable to just upgrade one of them later.

In this case, you can upgrade to a (non-k) 6700 or 7700 later and then the GPU will be the bottleneck.

>>59713944
Who is asking? The guy not wanting the 1080 bottlenecked?
Yes, the 6700 non-k is pretty damn good. The 7700 is significantly better, though. Since it's a locked processor, the stock speeds matter unlike with the 6700k and 7700k.
The locked 7700 is significantly better than a 5ghz overclocked 7600k, on average. The locked 6700 I guess would be more even with it.

>>59713864
>>59713892
I'll switch it to 6700k if it's won't change it that much. I always have a tendency to get sucked into the newer things just cause they are newer. I think the motherboard I had picked didn't allow the 1800x so didn't look much into it. Is it much better? I've always used intel so I'm biased towards them

Looking for a budget build (see 4):
1. Ryzen 1700
2. RX 480 (Or any Polaris arch)
3. Mobo must support HDMI output with FreeSync
4. CPU+CPU Cooler+Mobo+RAM+Storage+Video Card+Case+Case fan (if needed)+Wireless Card+PSU+Hardware installation service must cost below $1500 AUD

Preferable:
1. The absolute cheapest build
2. Love to have mATX, but that's not as important as cost saving
3. HDD's RPM more than 5400

What I don't need:
1. Storage more than 1TB
2. SSD
3. Any sort of LEDs, visually appealing parts/case. (Just a decent and underwhelming case please)
4. RAM more than 8GiB
5. An OS/Anti virus

What I will use this for:
1. Heavy load of software compilation
2. PC will be on 24/7
3. 4K video streaming
4. Very casual gaming

Something like (for reference):
CPU: AMD RYZEN 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper T4 70.0 CFM Rifle Bearing CPU Cooler
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-AB350-GAMING 3 ATX AM4 Motherboard
Memory: Crucial 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR4-2133 Memory
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive
Video Card: Gigabyte Radeon RX 480 8GB G1 Gaming Video Card
Case: BitFenix Comrade ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: Corsair Builder 430W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply
Wireless Network Adapter:TP-Link TL-WN725N USB 2.0 802.11b/g/n Wi-Fi Adapter

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>>59713917

At least you'll be able to just eek out the performance win on a 8350!

Just curious as to how much a rx 480 would be bottle necked by a i5 7500. This current build maxes out the budget I'm playing with, but any suggestions would be nice. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9TzT3F

>>59714034
>fx-8350
>pretty much exactly as good as 6600 for half the price
>fx-9590
>same as above but with i7
Can someone remind me why people shit on amd so much?

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>>59713980
Oh, with sales you can get this shit lower.

See: >>59713671 and >>59713841 for an example to save money.
And see OP, how it says a way to save money is to buy parts over days/weeks as you see them go on flash sales. You will never see all the parts for your build all on sale in the same day.
Currently there is a 1070 on sale for $335. Yesterday there was one for $325. I've seen them as cheap for $310. Some days there's not one on sale and the cheapest is like $370.

>>59713990
>the Intel motherboard chipset doesn't allow the 1800x
Well, yeah.

>Is it much better
The 1800X is like taking 2 90-95% powerful 7700k CPUs and putting them both on the same chip, is the easiest way to put it.
So yeah, it's about 180-190% as good in raw performance, but that doesn't translate like that in gaymes. Though it does generally mean you can play a game with a 1800X and have 35-45% of the CPU utilization left over even when you're apparently not GPU bottlenecked, while the 7700k will be 99% utilized and just having a video playing on youtube, or music playing, or discord, or whatever, will all slow it down to some degree.

In real gaming performance, that doesn't always translate. Some games rely on the performance of one of the threads to push out frames, and the single threaded performance is a bit lower.
So in like 65% of games, currently, before further BIOS updates, faster RAM, etc, driver updates, the 7700k is
faster. I wouldn't count on game updates, but those can happen too.

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>>59714051
Why are you even considering the i5-7500 instead of the R5 1500X or just getting a G4560 to save money and upgrade to a 7700 non-k later?
But the answer is in some games it won't be, in others it will.

>>59714072
That's GPU bottlenecked... Doesn't really tell anything.

And the 4770k could be overclocked to around 4.5ghz, if I'm not mistaken.

It also will cost you a fuckload on your power bill for the 9590.

>>59714073
80-85% and 160-170% total may be more accurate when you factor in the 7700k overclocking better.

>>59714088
Makes sense, but still my point stands with 8350 and i5 those are not bottlenecked by gpu.

>>59714088

>It also will cost you a fuckload on your power bill for the 9590.

Power draw doesn't matter now that ryzen has the effeciancy lead on kabylake (as well as older Intel architectures).

>>59714073
Where should I go looking for a Ryzen 5 1500X? I can't find a seller for them and there isn't one provided, either. The Ryzen 7's push me it a bit out of my price range. Is it fine if I shuffle that and the motherboard out for an intel that's cheaper?