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g4560 vs 7350k please

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So I was looking at getting another hard drive, my 1tb is filling up fast. I looked at the mobo and it seems that there are Sata ports without the connector, does the controller (I think that's the part) need to be soldered on? Or is there a clip connector thing I can use so I can attach a Sata hard drive to the empty port. If all else fails my graphics card is covering up too Sata ports I could use, but that'd be a bitch to try to access without unplugging my graphics card

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Which are the best board partners for GPUs and motherboards?

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My new build has risen :^)

>>59687830
>my 1tb is filling up fast.
how?

>>59687830
You're interested in soldering extra parts onto your motherboard but are too lazy to lift a fucking GPU?
I sense bad times ahead.

>>59687825
>g4560 vs 7350k please
What do you mean by this?

>>59687861
ASUS tends to pretty good GPUs despite their meh mobos now days.

Personally I've had great luck with Sapphire and MSI.
All my Sapphire and MSI cards have never died and run as good or better than they were new even when I bitcoin mined on them and shit.

>>59687885
easy

>>59687830
the way I see it, you have 3 options, from cheapest to most expensive:

1. buy a larger hard drive, and replace your 1tb drive
2. buy a pci express card with additional sata ports
3. new motherboard with more sata ports
4. build or buy a NAS

And retard tier: Use OneDrive™ to store more files

>>59688020
>easy
can niggers not ready or something?

I asked for specifically how its filling up so fast.

Do you just download every porn video you watch or what?

>>59687825
7350k = a $170 4560 that only gets like 15% performance increase while getting hotter and requiring a more expensive motherboard

>>59688020
>What do you mean by this?
pros and cons

Any recommendation for a 600+W sfx psu? The pastebin only lists atx models

Serious question, I haven't built a PC in 6 years, but my last build had ab i7, one of the first gens, why does no one buy i7s anymore? Every post I read is i3 vs i5. My i7 has lasted many years and still does okay. With a 660Ti, I play GTA 5 and the latest Mass Effect game acceptably well. Definitely not on lax settings, but good enough. Glad I went with an i7 all those years ago.

what is a good 144hz freesync™ 1080p monitor? Something that won't clash with my Dell U2715H (27")

>>59688101
>why does no one buy i7s anymore?
people do, dont listen to the retards telling you to buy i3's or i5's.

>>59688101
i7 is worthless now when Ryzen 7 is released. Ryzen 5/3 will be released very soon, (6c/12t and 4c/8t)

Effectively ending the need for i7 entirely.

Before Ryzen, it was because most games only utlize 2-4threads. Benefits of 4c/8t Intel i7 was not seen, maybe 10-15% better, but nearly 50% more (over i5). It wasn't seen as good purchase.

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>>59688144
7700K only good if paired with this board or another overclocking board

>>59688066
i3-7350k and G4560 are similar. Both 2c/4t. Very similar IPC.
G4560 is 3.5ghz. i3-7350k has 4.2ghz base clock and can overclock to the same 4.8-5.1 as a 7700k.

Nothing you can't find for google.

A 7350k is only for emulators and dwarf fortress, like the OP notes. I don't know what else I could possibly tell you.

>>59688101
Because some retards that have no clue what they're talking about convinced other retards that the 7600k is the same exact thing as the 7700k because of untrue nonsense like "HT doesn't do anything" or "nothing uses over 4 threads".
So you have lots of people wasting money on 7600ks.

That, or they're buying Ryzen instead now since it's better value.

Anyone ever tried to build their own hdd enclosure / direct attached storage (as in one holding multiple HDDs, say 4 or more)?
All the solutions available on the market are expensive as fuck, what normally costs $1000+ you could build out of chink shit components and stuff we all probably have lying around for $50.

>>59687885
Games

>>59688043
The easiest imo would be to just plug in the Sata under the graphics card, but I'm not gonna do that if I don't have any hdd to plug it into.
>>59687932
I was more so wondering if that is how I would use those ports, if soldering would be required.

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Anyone know of any good deals for something like a 1060? or a new CPU + MOBO?

I hate buying retail price, but am desperate for an upgrade.

>>59688361
>The easiest imo would be to just plug in the Sata under the graphics card, but I'm not gonna do that if I don't have any hdd to plug it into.

didn't even read that far, or I wouldn't have responded to your retarded post, just do that

>>59687756
Oh.

I forgot to put R9 Fury in the OP as a GPU worth considering.

>>59688449
>Anyone know of any good deals for something like a 1060
You can get a 1060 for really cheap by buying an RX480.

Last I checked, you could still get an 8GB ROG Strix RX480 for $150.

>>59688496
>150 dollaritoes for a RX480
>check yuropean prices
>oh maybe I'll just import i-
>oh right the import fees
I can honestly see why arabs bomb europe countries

>>59688496
Where for $150? I'm seeing around $230

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>>59687756

What are the most cost effective improvements I could make to this build, and at what settings could I expect to run modern games on this? I'm building a PC now so I can play Destiny 2 on it when it comes out.

>>59688540
It's on newegg for $200.

Then you use ebates+groupon for newegg giftcards and that brings it down to $150.

>>59688597
The most cost effective upgrade would be to buy a i7-4770k or locked i7-4790 (non-k for the 4790 as the k ones are ridiculous prices) if you can find it for like $260 and afford it, or to upgrade the video card to a 4GB RX470 if you can grab one for $120 or less.

And/or just upgrade to a Ryzen 1400 which will give you a better future upgrade path for fairly cheap if you can somehow get cheap DDR4.

>>59688777

I'm the second guy

I do live in Canada which is something I forgot to mention and both of those CPUs you mentioned are like $400. Getting that and the video card you recommend double the price. Are there any midway upgrades?

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You guys don't ONLY play games on your computers right? How often do you use your desktop and what do you do on it?

My old friend built his first machine and he legitimately only uses it for games. Sits down, turns it on, opens game, turns it off. This just makes no sense to me. If I'm home, I am on my PC and I am always home. I don't think he has a single thing installed on the machine besides chrome, games, and skype.
I use it about 6 hours on weekdays, 16 hours on weekends. I'm in my web browser 70% of the time, talking to people 10%, games 20%.

>>59688597
I would say the best thing to do is camp ebay and bid on a faster CPU for that socket until you get a good price and then wait for a rx470 sale. You'll be set for 1080p/60hz. Really take your time though, you can get used processors really cheap on some auctions and the same goes for the rx470. I've seen 470s at like $120.
Then save up and treat yourself to a $40 ssd for windows and your favorite game.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Bqcrhq
Here's what I have, planning on running Win7 Pro on it.
Thoughts?
I'm a eurofag so the RX 480 4GB is only 10€ more expensive than the RX 470 4GB for some reason.
My budget is 600€, which is what this comes up to on my end.

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What do you guys suggest I upgrade? I have a 600 W power supply if that matters

>>59689057
A second monitor should be your first priority. Treat yourself to a nice ips 1080p panel the same size as your current one and a cheap mount.
If your cooling is shit, improve it to OC that 4690k, unless it already is, I can't tell from the screenshot.
Wait until next gen's midrangers come out and get the new rx480 or gtx 1160.
Possibly another 120gb sata SSD and throw them in raid0.

>>59689051
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/P46VRG
You'll be much happier.

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>>59688913
futureproof

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>>59689085
An actual second monitor would be nice. I only use my shitty 100 dollar TV as a second monitor sometimes.

I have a 212 EVO on the CPU and I haven't tinkered too much on the OC. I try to bump it up slowly but these settings are the highest combo I have found. I'm probably doing something wrong

When do the next gen midrangers come out? I'll probably just hold out for that

>>59689173
They came out at the end of the summer last year. Probably going to be later this year. At least hold out for the memory bump on the 1060 and the rx580. Or get aa good deal on a 1070. But for 1080p 60hz you don't stand to gain much from upgrading unless you upgrade the monitor after.

If you have no plans to upgrade the monitor you should wait as long as you can until you have to upgrade to keep getting 1080p 60hz because the longer you keep your 970 the more value you got out of it and the better the replacement card will be.

>>59688913
I mean I watch movies and study on it, but that doesn't require any good parts, so when upgrading I'm mostly looking at gaming.

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>tfw big money coming in soon
Might sell my 1080s and replace them with the Ti Strix'es

>>59689258
should have sold them a while ago.

they're worth at most 450 used if you really jew hard.

>>59687756
how does this look for a media center/server build? already have the cpu/cooler, ram (same capacity and speed, but not model as shown), ssd, and gpu. mobo has already been updated to work w/ haswell refresh. gonna be using it w/ 2x usb3 external enclosures and my sony 49" 4k tv.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/md3Xpb

>>59689287
I know but I really didn't want to take the plunge until I knew for sure that the Ti's weren't going to run TOO hot. I've had CF 390X cards before and I do not want to get hardboiled in my room ever again.

Besides, look at my build. Do I seem like I'm going to miss the extra 50$ much?

>>59689325
>Do I seem like I'm going to miss the extra 50$ much?
you're all kinds of retard arent you?

the jews love people like you.

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>>59689336
Stay poor and stay mad, friend

I currently have an i5-3570k with a gtx 670.

Is buying a used 980 a good move? There's some people selling because of upgrades to 1080.

>>59689360
>Stay poor
said the retard hemorrhaging money.

that savings account is looking a little low m8.

>>59689336
What are you poor you cunt?

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>>59684427
I gave him an example of a platform that can actually play some games some day if he decides to spend a little more money, and $500 was the original budget. At $350, if that's really all you can spend, the honest answer is that you're better off buying a console if you want to play games. APUs are horrible to game on.

You're a fucking idiot and your "advice" boiled down to "here, buy this shitty APU pre-built that you won't be able to stand for more than a year, b-but hey then you can upgrade to Ryzen in steps." Great idea. Mcfucking kys senpai.

Building my PC. How does my list look so far, please help me to make changes and complete the list so I can buy the damn thing and play vidya!

http://pcpartpicker.com/user/rswosylus/saved/YxmvK8

>>59689413
shit

>>59689372
>that projecting
My savings are fine. Why are you so mad, friend? Seems to me like you're just mad you can't spare the dime to make a meaningful upgrade to your GTX260/old ass Celeron. Get a job.

>>59689413
Did you forget to add a GPU? Get a 480 or something and it's a solid build.

>>59689435
>My savings are fine
good try retard.

you wouldnt have worded >>59689258 the way you did if you werent poorfag as fuck to the point of spending your entire paycheck every week because if you dont "it goes to waste."

>>59688890
You're in a rock and a hard place mostly. You bought something that just doesn't have a very good upgrade path. Intel changes sockets every 2 years. The GPU is much worse than an APU from years ago.

But I think you should be able to find a RX470 for well under $200 CA. I think you're not looking hard enough.

I think you just need more money and to start over. There's really pretty much nothing salvagable there other than the motherboard if you go with a 4770 or 4790k.

I mean you could probably fine a 4670 for pretty cheap, but that's 4c/4t which is rough now days. You're spending more money for something that's going to be on its last legs now days, let alone years from now.

>>59688913
I rarely ever play games. Most games now days suck. I'll play some Unreal Tournament every now and then, or some austimo game like Oxygen Not Included.
I'm mostly talking with friends, IRC, discord. Doing development and creative work.

>>59689413
Looks fine however you could wait for ryzen 5 and wait and see if they really do perform as the simulations expect. You may get better performance in games with an i7 depending on what you do with it. The release of ryzen 5 in a few weeks may lower intel prices aswell.

>>59689057
A 4770 or 4790k would be a nice upgrade. Almost everything uses hyperthreading well now days.
Or if you'd rather spend more, you could get a 1600X but that means getting DDR4 and obviously a new motherboard.

Besides that, not a big reason to upgrade your GPU until Vega/Volta/Navi comes around.

>>59689202
>>59689490

Fair enough, maybe I'll just save my money and do a bigger upgrade later then

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>bottleneck calculator recommends an og titan for my hardware
>og titans are still 300$+ used

>>59689171
>2.2ghz
lol

>>59689258
>>59689287
1080s have been on sale new with warranty with $420.

Only way you're getting $450 for them used now is by scamming people that have no idea.

>>59689316
Lmao. Why that cooler?

I mean I guess it's okay. Those two 270Xs are going to put out a lot of heat, though.

Imo you should sell them, and get a single lower power card, less retarded looking case, and a 400-550W PSU.

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>Take off CPU cooler, reapply thermal paste, tighten cooler standoffs
>-15c temp at load
Why didn't I do this before

>>59689368
>Is buying a used 980 a good move?
Yes, if you can get it for like $125 or less. Maybe $150 max.

970 are garbage, broken cards. They get like 15fps maxed in RE7 compared to the 125FPS of an RX480 and 1070. They perform awful in tons of other newer games, too.

The $15 people got in that lawsuit wasn't enough.

>>59689413
>i5
>$925 and 4 threads to show for it
ya lost buddy

>>59689549
Upgrading to a 4790k isn't a small upgrade by any means. That's still like 95% as good as a 7700k. But games are more than fully utilizing the 7700k at under 144fps now days, so 6c/12t is the way to go for the future.

But if like 90fps minimum is good enough, a 4790k is perfectly acceptable for 99.9% of games, and you'd just need a better GPU.

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>>59689866
>decide to change out thermal paste
>have 5 year old tube of thermal paste
>thermal paste looks lumpy and gritty
>use it anyway
>50c on idle
I need to rethink my life choices

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>>59689900
I hate european prices.
You murricans get everything so fucking cheap.

>>59689820
like i mentioned, cooler and gpu are reused parts. i was looking for a small case that can fit under my tv, but not too cramped for cable mgmt and such. what cases would you recommend?

Building a pc for a friend who is going to use it for music production. Heres what I got for him.

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/qQ2NTH

The video card he already have.

How is it can I do something to improve or lower the price?

Tbh I know jack shit abouy music production.

>>59689368
Just buy an rx 480, it's going to serve you better.

>>59689947
Huh? How is 168 euro for a 1080 not good?

>>59690015
Yeah I get they're reused but you can still probably sell those 270s even if it's only for like $60-$70 each. That's enough to get an RX470 4GB that'll run much cooler and still do what you want to do.

And you could buy a low profile fan that would fit in a less dumb looking case.

As for cases uhh.. Silverstone GD06B maybe? APEX DM-387?

>>59690029
A 1700 should be around $150CAD cheaper.

Also is the vid card something he already has? $320CAD for 380 is ridiculous when you can get a 470 for $120 US or less.
And the PSU seems crazily priced, too. You can get a Seasonic 550RM Gold semi-modular for $60-$70 US so it should be under $100 CAD right?

Wait. What the fuck. You have a locked 7700 with an overclock board.
I'll put together a better one for you in a moment...

>>59690206
its a 980 and he uses the 1080 package

>>59690144
isnt the 480 more expensive and also worse then a used 980?

Are motherboards from EVGA to be trusted these days? Buddy of mine thinking of jumping from his Z97/4790k build to a Z270/7700k setup solely for the more pcie 3.0 lanes, nvme m.2, and overall cooler running chip.

Last I remember all motherboards from EVGA were garbage with horrible BIOS.

>>59690234
A 980 for that much isn't that bad... Yes, it is stronger than a 480, for now anyway.

>>59690267
Yeah, supposedly they are just as reliable as any other. Not sure about that move though, seems like a really expensive sidegrade.

What is the best 480 out there? I'm currently looking at the ASUS Rog O8G since it's on sale right now on Newegg.

>>59690295
>>59690234
Not really, drivers for AMD cards age like wine, Nvidia drivers age like milk. 480 already has 980 performance, also more TFLOPS in sp and MUCH more in dp.

Is there any good place to buy cheap parts in eu or it's just the best to look at shops in my country?

>>59689947
We're paying for it in other ways, do not worry.

>>59690344
Mindfactory if you are in Germany. They do price gouge sometimes, like the taichi x370 boards, but their prices are mostly ok and below amazon and retail.

>>59690234
RX480 is about 25% faster on average in DX12. But is up to 20% slower in some other games.
It's kind of hard to tell exactly since most benchmarks are before Polaris really got its drivers.
I wouldn't be surprised if it's more like 15% worse at worst in the bad games now, plus tons of games have gotten DX12 and Vulkan patches and many more have Vulkan patches come like Feral Interactive's. Even Mad Max, a game that came out in 2015, is getting a Vulkan patch.

Considering you can get an 8GB RX480 for $150 sometimes (like right now), that's exactly why I said don't spend over $150 max on a USED 980 when you can get a new RX480 4GB for that.

>>59690313
The ROG one is quite good from what I have seen. I guess go by reviews if you can't find a good comparison benchmark of the models.

>>59690310
Yea I said the same but he has a guy willing to buy his current 4790k/Z97 setup with 16GB of ddr3-2400mhz for $400.

He considers it worth the $150 out of pocket to gain all the newer standards.

>>59690434
i mean considering a 4790k alone goes for $300-$400... Seems like a normal price if not low.

How many PCIe lanes is ryzen+b350 compared to kabylake+z270 anyway?

>>59690333
It's still more powerful in DX11 games, that's why I said for now. DX12 performance and future titles will obviously favor the 480, but depending on what kind of deal you can get, either would suffice. Personally I don't buy used GPUs though.

>>59689765
retard

had more dosh in my bank account than i thought

which 480 should i get?
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202223

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150770

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814137023

that rebate crap is still working right?

>>59690611
wait for 580, will clock higher and keep resale value a tiny bit longer unless there is a game you want to but cannot play today

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8BbzsJ
how badly did i do? any suggestions for monitors, preferably in the <$130 range?
im from a balkan slav shithole if it's relevant

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>>59690206
>>59690029
Okay. This is $249 cheaper https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/TBj9Ps

But I'm not sure if the programs your friend uses are more single threaded or multithreaded. I assume multithreaded.
If single threaded, well go back to the 7700 non-k but drop the cooler and get a cheaper B250 motherboard.

Also I'd always go 16:10 monitor for productive.

>>59690470
Yes. The 980 is inarguable better in just about every DX11 games.
But I think you aren't fully aware of how many games have DX12 support, and how many more DX12 and Vulkan game and updates are coming this year.
And it's those older titles that generally are low requirement enough that the extra frames don't matter. But on the newer, prettier games it makes a huge difference to perform better in DX12.
The RX480 wins more in DX12 than it loses in DX11.

And for the games that DON'T have DX12 support, like RE7, they are doing AZDO OpenGL or AZDO DX that performs similar and still sees amazing performance on the RX480.
Like the RX480 gets 91FPS in RE7 maxed, same as the GTX980, while the 1060 gets 84. Some other benchmarks put the RX480 even higher above them both, like this one in the attached image.
So even if a game isn't DX12 or Vulkan now days, it often is AZDO.

But anyway, if you do get a GTX 980 for $125, maybe $150 max, that's still worth getting, sure.
I'm not saying I'm bad, I'm just saying look for the deal or how is getting a used card worth it?

>>59690611
ebates+groupon? I hear one of the parts to it will expire today.
You should buy your gift cards first anyway. You have 90 days to use the promo ones, and no expiration on the actual purchased card.

Anyway, see if you can find a comparison review that has all 3 of them? And see if the best one is worth the price difference.

>>59690636
oh just get the 580? alright. my CC keeps declining anyway and i need to call them. i start my seasonal job in may so it'll be better anyway

>>59690671
good advice, thanks

>>59690206
Yea he getting the video card from me for like 100$

I forgot to swap out the cpu for the k series. Hes not sure if he want to OC yet.

The only thing I dont know is how well ryzen vs 7700k in music production softwares.

>>59690688
Yeah I had trouble getting the order to work when I tried to get 2 $100 giftcards and 2 $50 giftcards immediately after.

And if you have them do the order, I don't think the ebates part will get you the 9% back.

So I just kept canceling the 2 $100 ones and canceling and retrying every few hours until it worked.
It wasn't a problem on my credit card's end, it was Groupon's system mis-detecting some terms of service abuse I guess because so many people are trying to get the deal.

>>59690699
Oh okay.
Yeah you need to see what software he uses and see if there are benchmarks?
Even if the benchmarks don't show 7700k vs 1700, they might compare to like a 6900 so you can see if it's multithreaded or not.

Since you want to save money, I'd advise against the 7700k to most. The locked 7700 is much, much cheaper due to cheaper motherboards working, coming with a cooler, and the locked CPU being significantly cheaper.
Most people don't overclock.
And ones that do.. to actually get good overclocks on them you need very expensive boards and coolers, and that cooler you had in there would not be sufficient and is hardly sufficient stock without deliding in some cases.

>>59690671
I meant to say
>I'm not saying IT'S bad., I'm just saying look for the deal or how is getting a used card worth it?

>>59690611
the XFX GTR or wait for the rx 580

>>59690699
>anything that isnt games
Ryzen without a doubt

just got my first SSD. i don't have windows 10 activated, can i still copy my OS to the SSD?

>>59691105
>windows 10
get out

Considering building a PC to mine etherium, I only have 1 PC and I dont want to burn out the power supply or something mining...

Whats the current theory on building a pc for that? Etherium uses an algorithm that doesnt allow effecient use of asics so its mostly just gpu's.

I mean does the motherboard/cpu really matter at all or just buy the cheapest shit needed to support the OS and get a gpu and done?

I just want to make sure I build an ideal mining setup..

>>59691046
Not 100% true.
Some workstation applications (mostly photoshop) is very poorly threaded.

I am pretty sure that music rendering and encoding is multithreaded, but I'm giving the benefit of the doubt instead of assuming.

But if I were to assume, and couldn't find benchmarks, I would go with the 1700.

In the US, you can get the 1700 for $270-$300 at the moment new, with warranty, from warehouses on ebay, too.

That pretty much makes it the price of a 7600k, considering the included cooler.
Granted, you can also get 7600k for like $210 at microcenter iirc, if you live near one.

>>59691105
even if it is activated, it is tied to the motherboard (kindof).

For my new build, on my old build (win7 for system builders) I installed the free win 10 accessibility upgrade, let it activate, then created a win10 install flash drive. Put together my new system, installed from the USB using my win7 key, and it activated too.

It used to be that if you changed motherboards, you'd have to call the activation hotline (I have in the past when a motherboard died), but it activated fine for me on the new system.

>>59691226
>adobe
if your music shit isnt adobe get ryzen

>>59691105
>win10

How big is the NSA's cock?

>>59691308
Actually, some other Adobe programs like Premere and I believe After Effects are well threaded.

I think it's just Photoshop that isn't threaded well, but Ryzen still performs great in it.

>>59691355
they why should it matter, the ryzen is cheaper and more futureproof then the 7700k, im pretty sure the choice here is clear

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z170 board with beefier VRM's, or a z270 with lesser VRM's at the same price?

>>59691446
how about by ryzen with a lot of vrms and for cheaper

>>59691504
Not interested in an AMD rig shill.

>>59691341
large and black.

>>59691303
what i did when i built my system was i used the media creation tool and downloaded windows 10 from M$ website. its looking like i'll just have to do a clean install that way again, wiping my HDD, installing wangblows on the SSD and then just reinstalling my programs and shit, i can upload my files and shit to my cloud but its just inconvenient.

>>59691549
>I want to invest in a "high end" quad core in 2017
Suit yourself.

>>59691549
>im not interested in better performance
ftfy

Hey there /g/urus.

My brother's friend is looking to build a computer mainly for gaming.

He's got 1000$ to spend, this doesnt include for peripherals and all, just the pc itself

Can you guys give out some reccs?

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>>59687756
Opinion on my new build?

>>59691617
locked 7700 or a 1600X would fit that budget. Either with an R9 Fury or 1070.

When Vega comes, or you find a 1080 for around $400, pairing a 1500X with an expensive GPU then upgrading the CPU later is also a good way to go.

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I'll just leave this here

>>59691617
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gHhrhq
Replace the GPU with an R9 Fury or 1070, cheaper non-fanless PSU, take advantage of sales, and that's $100.

Can replace the motherboard and cpu with a 1600X as well for the same cost, which will often be better.

>>59691886
>>59691864
>>59691846
looks like someone has finally learned to use some splines.

>>59691582
>what i did when i built my system was i used the media creation tool and downloaded windows 10 from M$ website. its looking like i'll just have to do a clean install that way again, wiping my HDD, installing wangblows on the SSD and then just reinstalling my programs and shit, i can upload my files and shit to my cloud but its just inconvenient.

That's the best way to do it anyways, just takes a bit, start to finish, taking my time with cabling etc, it took me around 5 hours to have everything together, windows loaded and configured, and all my programs installed and configured. It really helps if you can export settings for everything you use, or if they are synced like in Chrome.

>>59687756
This is a dumb question but when building or setting up a PC which was the hardest part for you?

>>59691846
That's cool
>>59691864
>>59691886
better stock up on band-aids for these

>>59691931
Not OP, but IMO, and others may agree, the hardest part is picking everything and deciding what you want and what would work well together, be within budget, and give good results.

>>59691931
Installing the CPU cooler is the worst part for me unless it's a watercooling setup. Air coolers are great but dang are they a pain to install.

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>>59691886
>>59691864
>>59691846

Someone doesn't understand heat transfer

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>>59691995
I don't get this, it was really easy to install pic related

>>59691758
10/10

>>59691886
Is this kino?

>>59691617
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6CvQNN

>>59691886
>>59691864
>>59691846
is this shit real?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00GP5Y5HI/?tag=pcp0f-21
Chances of this PSU exploding?

>>59692133
Fine for basic PCs. I actually think I own that one in my spare PC.

>>59692128
Yeah, I found the link

http://www.cryorig.com/adaptiveform.php

too much work in my opinion, but friggin cool as heck, that's for sure

It's been over 5 years since I last built a PC so I'm sorta rusty at it.
I'm in Argentina, where shit's usually almost twice as expensive and importing is way more annoying, so I started browsing physical stores in my town and I found one with (relatively) good prices offering a build like this:

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QnknFd
(The PSU is actually 700W, so I chose the closest brand model; and the store's build doesn't list the exact RAM model)

The thing is, that build is more or less within my budget limit but since they also make custom builds I can just modify that one, and I'm willing to change some parts for better quality and power and/or better prices. How can I improve it?

Also my big questions are
>Skylake or Kaby? If it's true you can't get Win7 running on Kaby, only Win10, then I'm going for Skylake.
>RX480: 4GB or 8GB? Sapphire or STRIX?
>Should I get a DDR3 motherboard instead? I heard DDR4 isn't really worth it.
>Is the SSD really necessary? I could just get a HDD instead.
>Is that PSU ok quality and wattage wise? My last PSU was Topower too and it JUST'd my previous PC for a year until I found out it had a very slight voltage issue.

>>59692154
When would you recommend swapping it out?
I'm on a 1050 right now but a 1060 or 480 upgrade might be nice in the future.

>>59692170
Have you considered ryzen?

>>59692181
It could easily handle either one of those.

>>59692170
your build was shit so i fixed it

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Xj7Fyf

>>59692289
Nice, Thanks anon!

>>59692181
Dont get a 1050 its shit get a RX 470

>>59692215
I did, but all this shilling on both sides is confusing me and makes me go "fuck it". Is it good or not? Me and my brother want a PC for both intense vidya sessions and college multitasking.

>>59692336
just get ryzen, its better

>>59691931
Aftermarket CPU cooler
If using the stock cooler, then making your cables neat. PC building is really easy

>>59692336
Look up benchmarks and make your own mind up.

>>59692170
>4 threads
no
>4GB RX480
Just get a 470 if you're going for a 4GB model. Can find them MUCH cheaper, as low as $120.
If you want an RX480, spend the $200 for an 8GB model. Can sometimes find them cheaper, but the $200 model on sale right now is an actual decent one.
>he spends the money for an unlocked processor, cooler, and motherboard, but gets shit ass RAM
this makes no sense
>The fuck is that SSD even. Are you sure this is good? I know of many of them.. Corsair MX300, SanDick, MyDigitalSSD, Samsung, garbage Intels. But this is new.

>>59692295
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Xj7Fyf
Better except for the dumb looking case and still spending $180 on a 4GB RX480.

>>59692181
1050s are really garbage.
The RX470 is like 45% faster than 1050Ti, which is way faster still than the 1050.

>>59692336
Intel has good CPUs. The i5s are not one of them, as the OP mentions:
>i3 and i5 are no longer worth getting, with the exception of the i3-7350K if all you run is console emulators and Dwarf Fortress
>If you want an 7700k and can't afford it, consider a locked 7700 as it can be around $250 cheaper in total, and even cheaper than a 7600k while outperforming a 5Ghz overclocked 7600k on average, and you weren't going to overclock anyway.

Like it says, a locked 7700 is going to cost less than a 7600k/6600k while giving you more performance than one overclocked to 5Ghz on average.
There has not been a reason to consider the 6600k/7600k but people buy them anyway due to being mislead by other misinformed people.
Ryzen can also offer similar perf for less, at least with an AMD GPU until Nvidia fixes their drivers.

>>59692336
I say Ryzen, because it'll be a much better path for upgrading.

>>59692336
In all honesty i don't know, theres this one image circulating around showing ryzen beating i7 but it just one image. >>59692313 It be fun if other people could confirm these results.

As for your build, go with skylake if its cheaper, kaby if its the same price or wait for ryzen 5. rx480 8gb would probably be better in the long run. You could go with an hdd but that means longer bootup. You should get a better quality psu. As for the pcpartpicker list it looks fine, you could get higher freq ram for marginal boost in performance, i'm skeptical about that cpu cooler.

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noob questions:

i have the option of buying a i7 6700k, should i still wait to see testing of the ryzen 5 1600? will it even come close?

also where can i find some decent cases with cool looking designs?

>>59692432
>dumb looking case
the case in functional and has tons of ventilation

RGB XXX GAYMRU GLASS TEMPERED WITH GAYMER SEMEN cases look dumb

>>59692336
Get the Ryzen, 1700 is a bargain, and you can keep your Motherboard for Zen2. There are microcode updates coming that will help performance, and Vega will pair really nicely with it when it comes out (and Nvidia drivers are garbage, I really like the radeon software after having come from Nvidia).

Just don't go full retard like me with an 1800x for games and browsing...

>>59692455
Thermaltake or fractal design

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>>59692414
Most benchmarks are rigged by using settings that fuck up the Ryzen results and leave the CPUs heavily underutilized rather than actually bottlenecking.

You have to look at benchmarks with AMD GPUs to get a better idea since their drivers are mostly working right with Ryzens. But 99% of benchmarkers only test with Nvidia.

>>59692113
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6CvQNN
>cheaping out on the SSD
>but spending an extra $45 on an RX480 8GB when you can get one for $200.
>and an X370 when the B350 motherboards are mostly great
>ugly ass case
why

>>59692133
Can't you get a Seasonic for that price? Their worst PSU is so much better than EVGA's worse. Seasonic's worst is more like EVGA's average.

>>59692451
That is a good reason, yeah.
LGA1151 is a dead end. Last CPUs for it have been released. Coffeelake will likely be a new socket, or at least a new chipset that Z270 can't just BIOS flash to.

>>59692453
>It be fun if other people could confirm these results.
It seems there are just only a handful of
>PROFESSIONAL HARDWARE TESTERS
that know to disabled "threaded optimization" in Nvidia driver, and enable MSI.

>>59692455
The 1600 will be much cheaper and the 1600X slightly cheaper and have a better upgrade path.
The 6700k will still beat it in a large number of games, though, even if only by 5% in most cases.

>>59692455
For mATX and cheap I like the Rosewill SRM-01 and Zalman T5.
For expensive I like the Lian Li PC-05.

>>59692500
>Thermaltake
>ugly
you clearly have shit taste

also

>cheaping out on SSD
anything that saturates sata 3 is good enough for fast boot times

>>59687870
rip investment

coffeelake coming soon

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For casual non-AAA games, sometimes indie or stuff like Divinity Original Sin 2.

Good?

What to pair with an RX 460.
No intel for reasons

>>59692626
well tbf non-AAA games doesn't mean that much since games like stellaris gonna choke late game even on fastest cpus.

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Friendly reminder that Pascal is going to be ridiculous if we ever get a bios editor. Slap a $60 aio on a 1060 9gbps and chill at 2400 core.

Pretty glad I went for the used 980ti over a 1070 at the moment though. If anyone overclocks for fun I suggest it, and of course the performance is also great. I'm not sure how it compares to a 1070@2100mhz but it was enough to shift the bottleneck back to my [email protected]/3600 cl16 ram. 21194 graphics score in fire strike.

Did I mention it's fun? The card is so much fun.

Are motherboards more or less the same size? What I mean is that I have gigabyte H67M-D2-B3 and I'm planning to upgrade to ryzen will the new motherboard fit my case?

>>59692628
Ryzen 3 1100 whenever it comes out

>>59692673
>MOAR GHZ
is this the new nvidia business plan?

>>59692711
nah it's just a superior engineering showoff

real stuff comes with volta

>>59692695
and considering it wouldnt be next month? its for pretty minor gaming, syberia 3, maybe witcher 3

>>59692711
This was the first generation(pascal) that was done on a new process in a long ass time iirc. The easiest way to get performance was to just clock it at what the new silicon can do. Expect either memory improvements or maybe even IPC for the first time since, what, kepler?

>>59692734
at 5ghz? meanwhile amd gets the same performance at like 1.5

>>59692652
Indie games more like "Dont starve together" or "The Forest".
Also Guild Wars 2. So nothing really demanding. No graphics intense single player games like Witcher 3 or anything.

>>59692737
yes its fine for that, honestly i dont think that the RX460 would be able to do that before the cpu would

>>59692550
>you clearly have shit taste
You're right. My first highish-end build was in a Thermaltake Shark

>anything that saturates sata 3
I'm certain that SSD does not saturate sata3 in real world performance.

>>59692626
Looks good, but the ASRock Pro4 may be cheaper? It is in the USA, significantly, at least.

RX470 seems expensive, but again idk euro prices.

>>59692628
G4560 is the only answer there, really. That's destitute-tier.
460 is almost iGPU-tier. The 470 is 190% the performance for not much more money when you find them on sale.

>>59692738
pascal is a 16nm maxwell, with literally no per clock difference

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What do you think?
Should i remove the 2tb hdd and the 1070 and add a cheap 1080 (maybe 8GB KFA2 GeForce GTX 1080 EX OC Edition for ~500€)

Did i forget something? (except the OS)

>>59692693
No, they are not. There are many form factors: XL-ATX (extra-long mobo, extra PCI slots and shit), E-ATX (extra-wide mobo, dual CPUs and shit), ATX (typical-size mobo), M-ATX (shorter version of ATX), M-ITX (micropenis-tier mobo, not that it's bad though, depends on build)

>>59692775
>Thermaltake Shark
looks nothing like a core X31

>>59692784
I advise you to check any maxwell vs pascal benchmarks.

>>59692784
> The easiest way to get performance was to just clock it at what the new silicon can do

literally what i just said

>>59692775
fuck off already with the 4560, if you cant read for shit then dont answer

>>59692775
don't overestimate igpus, intel is still at like 500 gflops, the most powerful amd igpu is 1 tflop, while the 460 is 2 tflops

gimme yous

>>59692806
i advise you to take that fanboy cap off and face the facts, the only reason pascal is better than maxwell is because pascal can do 2ghz and has MOAR COARS, architecture wise there is no difference

>>59692806
He and I are saying that Pascal had no IPC improvement vs Maxwell, it is simply clocked higher. This is because nvidia and amd were stuck at 28nm for a long ass time so it made sense that the first new generation on 16nm would just be clocked higher as it provided a huge and easy R&D wise performance increase.
>>59692839
He just doesn't understand what you said, is okay

>>59692839
>per clock
explain thyself

>>59692789
thanks, so i will either have to check their sizes or buy new case.

>>59692870
Pascal is faster because it's frequency is higher. In one cycle maxwell and pascal have identical performance, pascal just goes through more cycles in the same amount of time. It's the same as skylake -> kaby lake. Kaby lake is identical to skylake, it just runs at a higher frequency.

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>>59692711
VONGER VIPELINES PART TWO:
TIME TO SHOW INTEL HOW IT'S DONE

>>59692786
Lmao 1070s costs more in your country than 1080s do here.
It a reasonable build with quality choices, other than that cost of that 1070. Holy shit.

>>59692817
o sorry sir. I missed the no intel
Wait for the Ryzen 3 1100 then.

>>59692818
ok fine. But I did say "almost".
I also bet we'll see over 2 tflops when Vega APUs come if they're true Vega arch and not just "vega" to mean "next gen", as they were still on Terascale for a long ass time.

>>59692797
K but it's still ugly.
What is it, like 9 inches wide?
Why the fuck do you need a case that wide? No GPU or anything is that wide.
Do you have like side-by-side rows of HDDs and need to fit 24 of them?
Shit, looking at it, it doesn't even fit that many HDDs.

The Thermaltake View 27 is WAY nicer.

>>59687885
Dude, my 1TB drive was full in under two years.

>Games (many new ones don't compress their folders so you have files that are 60GB+ now).

>Movies (±4GB each).

>Music (not large individually, but it adds up).

>PDF and other various document files (I save all sorts of Government reports, DIY instructions, Blueprints, etceteras).

I have a 120GB SSD for OS.

A 500GB SSD for the games that I don't want to wait for loading time on.

And a 8TB HDD for everything else.

Huge storage HDD's are cheap these days.

>>59692906
>that huge bend going into the top of the cpu block
por que????

>>59692906
the view 21 look retarded and thats the point of the core x series, to be wide and have good cable management and airflow

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fbHZPs
Will my pc build last me at all? I have a budget of $1000, but I'm trying to keep the price as low as possible so that I don't build a potato. Any improvements I should make? Can I game at 1080p on new games? Are there any bottlenecks or inconsistencies?

Gotta build the boy a desktop, obviously he'll wanna play gaems.
>WHATIS /g/ approved desktop build, include monitor too pls?
C'mon anonskis, help a nigger out!

>>59692936
my 2tb was full in under two weeks

but now i'm stockpiled on anime for years so there's that

Has the RX 460 managed to resolve its issues?
I need a decent GPU under £100 for a budget build.
As in <300 build (not including ram)

would someone be willing to shill me a decent monitor for cheap?

>>59692953
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9yKQhq
Low price, high specs

Lately I've been getting poor performance in cpu heavy games like bf1 and player unknown battlegrounds.

Even at 4,6ghz 4690k I get quite a lot of stuttering no matter what settings.

I could get a 4790k for $279 at microcenter or a 7700k for 299$ but I'm not really looking to buy a new mobo and memory when ddr5 is near and perhaps becoming a corelet isn't future proof, so I might as well spend less money doing it.

Specs :
16gb ddr3 1600 cas 9
4690k 4,6ghz
Rx 480 8gb

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New thread before I could see the replies to my previous post. Question, would upgrading my CPU or my SSD improve game performance sooner? Keeping in mind I know dick about how to pick a new mobo/cpu.

>>59692775
The pro4 is the same, if not higher price. The one i chose is already almost the lowest i can get in EU. Same with the rx 470, shit is much more expensive over here.

>>59692955
Anime falls under the "Movies" category. ;)


Anyway, rule of thumb is "1TB" is not enough for PC towers these days.


A few more years and we'll finally have SSD's (with higher re-write counts before failure) in the 4TB scale that are affordable.

The future is bright.

>>59692945
A Corsair 500R probably has better thermals without being stupidly wide.

>>59692966
Idk but in America you can sometimes get an RX470 that's 90% faster for $100 or less.

>>59692950
Get the ASRock Pro4
RX480 will save another $45.
Get Seasonic PSU. Cheap EVGA are usually garbage.
You could get a cheaper case unless you really want that particular one.
Memory is also garbage, when it shouldn't be in a ~$800 build

But for $800 you could get a 1500X and 1070 or R9 Fury if you managed the build better. That's a fuckload of money for a G4560 build.

And no, 4 threads is not going to "last you". It'll do okay today.

>>59692953
>WHATIS /g/ approved desktop build, include monitor too pls?
You didn't give a budget.

Here's $576 one. Includes a solid SSD and PSU so you won't need to upgrade them later when you inevitably need to upgrade the CPU and/or mobo.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/n6C9Ps
Might want to wait for Ryzen 3 so you could make a much better future proofed build for only like $100 more.

>>59693011
>>59693069
thanks anons. budget under 1k

>>59693069
>Idk but in America you can sometimes get an RX470 that's 90% faster for $100 or less.
Jesus Christ that is cheap, Looking on PC part picker cheapest is £158 ~$198.

>>59693011
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9yKQhq
lol, you fag

>>59693060
Ah. Yesterday the B250 pro4 was at $58-$60 US, and ASRock boards are solid. Nvm then.

>>59693055
Your GPU is fine so yeah.. you need an SSD and better CPU.

You could maybe go with a 3770. Otherwise you'll probably want to get new DDR4 as well and upgrade to Ryzen.
With Ryzen, you can't really go wrong with any of the B350 motherboards. Just get the form factor and PCI slot arrangement you want. Though ASRock seems to have the better UEFI and are just nice in general.

>>59693043
>Even at 4,6ghz 4690k I get quite a lot of stuttering no matter what settings.
Yeah that's 4c/4t in modern games for you.

If you can get the 4790k at $279 at microcenter, that's a fucking amazing deal. Go with that. Don't waste all that money upgrading everything for a 7700k that's hardly better.

>>59693121

Yeah it's like 300 I think with tax but still a good deal considering here in the Netherlands the cheapest is like €370.

But what about memory speed, am I not being bottlenecked by 1600mhz?

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>>59693101
>under 1k
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Y9MQNN Here is $778. I presume you need some left over for monitor and shit.

Use ebates+groupon to buy newegg giftcards and buy the 8GB RX480 that's on sale for $200 at newegg and it becomes $150 with the discounted gift cards.

>>59693115
>£158 ~$198
wots that.

You can get a 1080 here for like $380, too, sometimes. New with warranty, obviously.

>>59693217
$300 with tax is still reasonable.
And 1600mhz is an okay speed for DDR3.

You're being slowed down by it, obviously, but it's not worth the cost to go much faster unless a simple overclock will work for you.
You shouldn't buy new RAM except for DDR4/DDR5.

>yfw Ryzen with DDR5 7200 memory. 20% higher IPC than anything.

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>>59693121
There's a lot of results for b350, which one do you refer to?
The Ryzen CPU seems good, the only one I could sort of afford is $445 AUD and listed as "AMD Ryzen 7 1700 8-Core Socket AM4 3.0GHz CPU Processor with Wraith Spire"
>what is the equivalent of this to a intel cpu?
>would the fancy cooler it comes with need any aftermarket replacement?
>also, would one need to clean install after replacing the motherboard?
Sorry for the dumb questions.

>>59693374
I got the ASUS Prime B350 plus only because it was available. I just reflashed to the latest BIOS as well. It was only $99 with free same day shipping through Amazon, so that is a little pricey

how much better is the 580 going to be over the 480 8GB?

>>59689171
>799mhz ram
future proofing for what exactly?

>>59693424
Barely 5% better performance, all down to better power delivery/optimization for higher clock speeds. It's a rebrand in every sense of the word.

>>59693354

Yeah I think I'll just get the 4790k and sell the i5 here for like 150

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>Ryzen
>Initially get MSI Carbon
>Hate the UEFI so order the Gigabyte Auros
>Spend the extra money to get it delivered same day because I live in Southern California so I could have it before the weekend
>DOA

Do I suck it up and continue using the Carbon, get an Asus Prime or ROG, which are in stock locally at Fry's and/or Micro Center, or do I wait for an Aorus replacement?

>>59693374
The Ryzen 5s aren't out yet.
The 1700 is $330 US(though you can find them $270-$300 here) That is the 8 core, 16 thread, and includes a good cooler.
1600X the high clocked 6c/12t is $250 with no cooler.
1600 lower clocked 6c/12t is $210 with a cooler.
Then you have $170 1400 and $190 1500X, figure them out.

And pretty much any B350 is fine, is what I was saying. That's the chipset.
It just depends on whether you want full ATX or mATX, what PCI slot arrangement you want, etc. They all, as far as I've seen, have a good number of USB and other ports, and all support 32GB/s NVMe.

The equivalent to the 1700 is the $600 i7-6850K. Though you can overclock it on the stock cooler to make it equivolent to the $1050 i7-6900k.
Equivalent to the 1600X is the 7700k but.. only sort of. The 7700k has no exactly equivalent for its use case. The 7700k will still get roughly 5% higher FPS on 99% of games.
Equivalent to the 1500X is that it beats the 7600k on average.

>>59693612
>Equivalent to the 1600X is the 7700k but.. only sort of. The 7700k has no exactly equivalent for its use case. The 7700k will still get roughly 5% higher FPS on 99% of games.
Though I guess it's worth mentioning that the 7700k tends to be 99%+ utilized at that 5% higher FPS, while the 1600X likely in the 75% utilization range.
It has power to spare that should allow it to outperform the 7700k in many cases, but current games, APIs, and drivers just aren't utilizing it.

But that also means you can have twitch running or some shit on your second monitor, or be recording with superior CPU encoding instead of GPU encoding, without taking a performance hit.

>>59693602

Lose your autism and just wait for a few days lol.

>>59693612
>Equivalent to the 1500X is that it beats the 7600k on average.
Wait I thought 1500x is not out yet, how do we know that? And if that's the case that's amazing since it looks to be about half the price of 7600k

Is an OC 1700 the best cpu for gaming + streaming atm?

>>59693432
>buying anything above 1600MHz 8GB's for 20 slots
what are you, made out of money?

>>59693695
you could game and stream with a fucking piece of toast, what is the bitrate and resolution you want to stream at you tard?

Hoping some of you can help, im currently on a 4300, water cooled system. im looking to upgrade, but want to know whats best for my needs.

I dont play AAA+ games mostly, but i do play some CPU demanding games, I play like ARMA 3, DAY Z , H1Z1, CS:GO, Insurgency and GTA 5 RP Mod.

Im kind of invested iin AMD, since my water block will only fit either AM3+ or the new AM4

What is the best CPU for my needs?, prefer to save as much as possible, which is why I prefer to stay with AMD otherwise with Intel I have to buy a new waterblock.

thanks

>>59693716
>CS:GO
>GTA 5
>no AAA games
>CPU intensive
Pick all that apply

>>59693662
Except it's going to be more than a few days--it's probably going to be a week by the time I get the board and have the time to do anything, and that's after already waiting two weeks for decent boards to come in stock.

>>59693714
720p 60fps on as slow of a cpu preset i can get without dropping a shit ton of frames

>>59687756

>i3 and i5 are no longer worth getting, with the exception of the i3-7350K if all you run is console emulators and Dwarf Fortress
are you really that fucking ignorant? the i3 7350k is a garbage buy. I suppose this must be an april fools joke. i5s are literally the best overall for gaming.

>If you want an 7700k and can't afford it, consider a locked 7700 as it can be around $250 cheaper in total, and even cheaper than a 7600k while outperforming a 5Ghz overclocked 7600k on average, and you weren't going to overclock anyway.
LOL
>The only worthwhile gfx cards are RX470 4GB, RX480 8GB, 1070 6GB, 1080, 1080Ti.
LOLLLLLLLL

i still don't know if you're a retard or just joking.

>>59693505
if i dont intend to OC, do i even need it?

>>59693773

Do something else in the meanwhile

>>59693716
>since my water block will only fit either AM3+ or the new AM4
How? AM3+ brackets need to be swapped out for AM4 compatible ones. It's likely that your waterblock won't fit on an AM4 at all.

Also
>FX-4300
>watercooled
Nigga ayy lmaoing ur life pham

>>59693786
>talks shit
>doesn't post proof nor provides arguments

Go back to wherever you came from faggot.

>>59693673
Because it's literally the same CPU as the 1700X but with 2 cores on each CCX disabled.

So it's easy enough to at least test what a 1500X at a 4Ghz overclock looks like by just disabling cores into a 2+2 configuration.
And in that configuration, on average, it beats the 7600k @ 4.8Ghz pretty handedly. I'm sure the frame pacing is way better and it's way smoother, too.

>>59693695
Yes. Absolutely. The quality of that CPU encoding is actually fucking ridiculous. You get much higher quality at lower bitrates and Twitch only accepts a certain bitrate. Then twitch re-encodes it so if you have artifacts in what you send to it it artifacts those artifacts worse.
But a 1600X would be good enough for those that don't want to bother with overclocking and shit.

>>59693714
Sure you could, using GPU accelerated encoding that requires you to downscale to maybe 900p at best if you're lucky, limit to 30fps, and it still looks like shit.

>>59693716
1500X would do you fine. 1600X if you want to spend more.
I know Arma3 does run better on intel (though not sure if it's the same Nvidia driver issue on Ryzen or not), but a Ryzen CPU will still handle it acceptably.

>>59693790
Rumor has it that the RX500 is on a new process that, while being the same architecture, will clock higher and be more power efficient.
Similar to how Kabylake is the exact same architecture as Skylake, but the process is slightly different and allowed for 5% higher clocks.

Stock RX500 clocks are 8% higher. Maybe they'll OC to 1600 this time around. We'll have to wait and see.

>>59693796
Some AM4 motherboards have AM3 mounting holes.

>>59693612
That Ryzen 7 1700 is the cheapest I can get at umart, think it will be appropriate or overkill for my laggy games/3d modelling? (In relation to the speccy I posted; I have a RX470). I checked out the Ryzen on passmark to get a better idea of the performance. If you can't tell already I had no consideration to CPU performance previous to this thread, mostly just GPU performance.

>>59693796

nah my EK waterblock has 2 holes for AM3+ and AM4 motherboards, most of the waterblocks have been revised, so if you purchase one now it will fit both.

>>59693820

thanks I will wait for 1500 then, one more question, I heard 1500 will be just as good as a 1500X once overclocked, so should I just get the 1500 and save money?

Please help me make these choices regarding CPU and GPU:
> g4560 (60 USD) vs i5-7500 (205 USD)
How future-proof is the pentium? I would like to run all 2017 releases at least on medium, thats why the i5 is considered.

> rx470 (210 USD) vs rx480 (235 USD), all 4gb version
If I choose the i5, I would definitely go with the rx480, but the g4560 would bottleneck, right?

These are europoor prices btw

>>59693820
>twitch
>3000-3500 bitrate for fucking 1080p
kek just tested that on my backup computer which runs a X4 640
not even a sweat

>Pentium is on par with the lower i processors
N-Nani?
Why are they still making Pentiums?

>>59693820

Also one question, you say Intel is better for ARMA 3, do you mean the high end Intel CPU or even the low cost ones like a G4560/i3 6300?

>>59693864
>think it will be appropriate or overkill for my laggy games/3d modelling
Ryzen 7 will let you preview your raytraced scene at a few FPS.
It has the workstation of a $1050-$1700 Intel CPU.
It's just not as good in most games as the 7700k. You really need at least 3200mhz RAM to match/beat the 7700k gaming performance in some games.

And yes, obviously you can't get the others yet since they don't come out until April 11th.
Some people have gotten them earlier due to retailers fucking up, but the 11th is the street date.

Passmark is a bad indication of performance. It's synthetic. Something like Cinebench is real-world performance you get with something like Cinema4D.

>>59693874
You mean the 1400.
Some people have gotten their 1400s early and it seems like 3.8 is generally the best you'll do on the stock cooler. Probably 3.9 if you get a better cooler.
The 1500X looks like it'll be good for 3.9-4.0.
But more than that, it appears that the 1500X will have double the L3 cache as the 1400, but I haven't seen confirmation of that.

>>59693892
>How future-proof is the pentium?
None. It's good for 95% of today's games. In some of that other 5%, you can drop down to 20fps at times, or might only average 35fps.

>thats why the i5 is considered.
the 7500 is only like 20% better on average.
The 1400 overclocked is about 45% better with an AMD GPU. But not so much if you're not using improperly configured Nvidia drivers with an Nvidia GPU instead until Nvidia fixes their drivers and their default settings on Ryzen.

See the OP. You're better off trying to fit a locked 7700 into your budget, or going with Ryzen 5.

> rx470 (210 USD) vs rx480 (235 USD), all 4gb version
You can get a 4gb 470 for $90-$120 if you go through some hoops and wait for sales.
470 4GBs pretty frequently go on 1-day sales for $110-$130.
RX480 8GB ROG Strix is currently on sale for $200. Add some hoops, ebates+groupon to buy discount newegg digital giftcards, and you can get it for $150.

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Not sure why Speccy didn't recognize my ram, it's Corsair LPX.

So I built my ryzen rig today, only issues im having are: long post times, takes a while before motherboard flashes boot screen. I also can't get A-XMP for my ddr4 to work. It also gives a CPU error whenever I completely shutdown windows. It works great when bokted though, 1358 cinebench cpu score without any OC. With a 1700

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>>59694004
>59Hz

>>59694040
Just noticed

Why is that?

>>59687756
>1070 6GB
Out. Now.

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>>59694049
>Why is that?
Don't know

>>59693922
You have no idea how encoding works.

You can get various quality at a given bitrate. You're using a "veryfast" sort of preset that makes the quality bad.

>g4560 would bottleneck, right?
Not always. Some games don't use much CPU and you get 100+ fps with it. Others you get shit.

>>59693968
I'm not positive. You'd have to look for benchmarks.
But a lot of them you have to take with a grain of salt, because you'll see cases where the 1400 is 5% slower than the 7300 or 7400 but the 7300 and 7400 are at 99% CPU utilization and the 1400 is only at 60%. So clearly the 1400 is more than 30% more powerful, but the game just isn't utilizing it.
That's generally because, and this is happening a lot with Nvidia GPUs+Ryzen, the Nvidia graphics driver is poorly configured by default for Ryzen and it ends up in lots of wait states, stalling, and not allowing the CPU to be utilized to call for frames to draw.

So it helps to look at benchmarks using the RX480 OC'd or R9 Fury.

I'm sure Nvidia will fix that fairly soon, though. They don't want all these people buying Ryzen to not want to buy their cards because of even worse Nvidia driver problems than usual lately.

>>59694057
Took you long enough to catch it.

>>59687756
PLEASE HELP!
I just wanna play PUBG with my friends.
On a budget but i really dont know if i could do better for the price. Please guide me from these shadows friends.

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/cgk3M8

>>59694004
>>59694040
>>59694049
>>59694070
>Certain monitors report a TV-compatibility timing of 59.94Hz. Therefore, Windows 7 exposes two frequencies, 59Hz and 60Hz, for every resolution that is supported at that timing. The 59Hz setting makes sure that a TV-compatible timing is always available for an application such as Windows Media Center. The 60Hz setting maintains compatibility for applications that expect 60Hz.

I changed it to 60hz in screen settings.

>>59694108
>i3-7100
for.. what.. reason?
>1050Ti
Okay. This is definitely bait; I see now.

>>59694149
Sorry friend its not,
Is this not a reasonable build for playing some sweet vidya.
Is this a poor choice? What would be better?

>>59694175
The RX470 is 45% faster than the 1050Ti. Is the 1050Ti that much cheaper in your poor country, or something?

It seems like trolling, since the RX470 and 1050Ti cost the same in America, so only a retard would get a 1050Ti.

And the 6100 is no better than the G4560 that costs half as much.

>>59694224
He might have just heard some vague reference to the 1050Ti and how it can play anything on the market without even realizing the AMD RX470 exists.

>>59694235
Totally correct
I'm from the UK, and on this parts list comparison at least the RX470 is moderately more expensive.

is the i3-700 a waste of money, i don't intend to oc anything

>>59694289
Every intel CPU but the G4560, 7700 non-k, and 6700k (lack of needing to delid, cheaper) is a waste of money.

Unless you exclusively play console emulators and dwarf fortress, then the i3-7350k is probably the best for the money.

>>59694339
>Every intel CPU but the..
>no mention of xeons whatsoever
trashcan

r8
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fkk3M8

>>59694339
>shits all over quad cores
>recommends dual cores
>recommends fucking i3's
Anon

>>59694289
RX 470 is between 30 and 50 squid more expensive here
Fucking yanks keep forgetting not every country is America.

>>59694355
>mentioning irrelevant Xeons with Naples and Snowy Owl coming.
I don't care how cheap those used Xeons are, Snowy Owl will be worth the extra cost.

>>59694362
Looks good.
But this is one of those builds without much upgrade path that you end up having to redo almost everything on 3 years later.

>>59694366
You could have avoided writing a post if you read what I said instead.

>>59694367
>160bong vs 130bong
How is 23% more money not worth 45% better performance?

>>59694398
Not everyone has the luxury of getting everything at a 1:1 on price:performance.
Its easy to say
>Just got for the more expensive option
When you have them priced the same.
That 30-50 saving will get you 8GB of ram
Everything is always priced "competitively" you need to know when to say
>No, This is fine. It gets the performance I need.

If you're on a budget any saving matters
"Every little help"

best quad core on a budget?

also since when did 6600k fall out of favor?

>>59694476
So paying 200% for 105% performance going from the G4560 to i3-6100 is okay.
But paying 125% for 145% performance, which is far better than a 1:1 increase, is not.
That makes no sense. G4560+RX470 is simply the best performance/$ and very cheap to boot.

>>59694500
>best quad core on a budget?
1400 or 1500X.

>also since when did 6600k fall out of favor?
6600k fell out of favor before it was even released. Games were more often than not utilizing hyperthreading well before that.
The last time buying a 4c/4t sort of made sense was with Haswell.

It became completely dead when 2c/4t pentiums arrived and with how frequently locked i7s get price drops on top of not requiring a cooler nor an expensive motherboard to outperform a highly overclocked 6600k.

>>59694578
>6600k fell out of favor before it was even released.
This. I just cringed for the past year during every single one of these threads when someone showed up with your typical babby's first reddit-tier $1200 6600k build. Obsolete within a year, but if you took 30 minutes to read up on CPUs you would see it coming.

>>59687756
I was thinking of buying a watercooling system for my PC.
In order of preference:
>Quiet
>GPU cooling
>Efficient

My budget is around $100. Pease help, i dont want to have to make a thread for this.

>>59694398
>Snowy Owl
Yeah wake me up when there's going to be a even somewhat affordable tier motherboard for said chipset coming out in the next 10 years.

>>59694625
We're the minority, sadly.

>Most people see some benchmarks, 6600k and 6700k are exactly the same.
They don't realize it's GPU bottlenecked, and the 6600k was probably at 90% utilization while the 6700k was at 60% utilization or less.

Now with the 1080 and 1080Ti out, though, people are finally seeing how much better 8 threads is, especially for minimum threads, due to the greatly reduced likelihood of a GPU bottleneck. A 1080Ti can actually completely tap out the 7700k in many games.

>>59694642
Uh... you need more like $700.
$100 AIOs are noisier than a quality air cooler.

>>59694686
The price/$ doesn't seem like it'd be that far off.
$250 motherboard + $1000 cpu. (I'm guessing, here)
$1250 for like 5x the performance than you get out of a $250 Xeon+mobo combination.

>>59694710
>$1250 for like 5x the performance than you get out of a $250 Xeon+mobo combination.
Yeah, let's not jump into hopeful conclusions here, I'd love the concept of AMD stepping well into the server area business but I'm not going to be holding up my fucking lines in the hopes of AMD delivering.

>>59694752
Well we're looking at like a 2500 cinebench score on the HEDT 12core part for probably about $1000.

You're thinking like a E5-2660 which is a 2.2/3.0 eight core right? But then motherboard is like $200. That's almost $300 together.
Those get around 1000 in Cinbench.

So okay. 4x the cost for 2.5x performance.
That's still not bad though considering all the new features on the board and SoC southbridge and so on.

Not to mention, the reduced latency on your USB keyboard and mouse clicks that let you hax that much faster.
1ms advantage over Kabylake. I wonder what it is compared to Xeons on LGA 2011.

Building general purpose PC for running a lot of programs, playing games, photo editing with Lightroom, VMs, and streaming. I want it to be less than $1900 USD.

I put this together so far: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6qYYtJ

I'm unsure about the air cooler and case. The cases I'm looking at are the Define MIni C and the Enthoo Evolv. Are there any cases like those that look decent, have no window, have good interior workspace, and are on the small side?

>>59694839
1700 seems like the obvious choice for all of those except maybe photo editing.

And with that budget, you could put in a 500GB NVMe + 1TB SSD.
And a Seasonic fanless PSU, too.

Other than that, the only big issue I see is paying so much for a 1070 when you could get one for $325 or less. Or looking for another flash sale of a 1080 to drop under $425 to get more performance for roughly that same amount.

>>59694911
My concerns with Ryzen are the lack of motherboards. From what I'm seeing on Newegg and PCPP, there aren't a lot of boards in mATX and there aren't many reviews either. That probably has to do with how new it is though.

As for the video card, I'll have to look around for other options. I picked the first one that doesn't look too gamery and has a backplate.

Are there any 1TB SSDs that aren't too expensive but are reliable and durable? I specced the build out with a 960GB Sandisk Ultra II, but it was nearly $300 and put my build over budget.

>>59695014
There's quite a few mATX.. The Prime? And like 2 MSI, 2 Gigabyte.
But we definitely need some mITX ones. I heard "late april" on at least B350 mATX but X300 isn't coming for a while.

I don't think ASRock has an mATX though, but that'd be nice as the Pro4 is nice.

>Are there any 1TB SSDs that aren't too expensive but are reliable and durable? I specced the build out with a 960GB Sandisk Ultra II, but it was nearly $300 and put my build over budget.
The Crucial MX300 1TB isn't too expensive and IIRC has a pretty good lifespan rating, but you'd have to double check.
And the MyDigitalSSD BPX 480GB is the best value NVMe and has the longest rated lifespan of any SSD. Sadly, they don't make a 960GB, but 500GB is good enough for the NVMe.

You'd save money getting a 1700+B350 over a 7700k+cooler+Z270, as well. About $60-$90. Unless you really need the 2 extra PCIe lanes with the X370 for something.

>>59695082
>MyDigitalSSD BPX 480GB is the best value NVMe and has the longest rated lifespan of any SSD
That's because they calculate the theoretical lifespan of each NAND inside the flash package as if writes are done serially, which is not at all representative of how NAND wears down over time. The actual value should be around 200-400TB of writes.

>>59695110
Is this different from how the 960 calculates? Because it's rated significantly higher than the SanDisk and MX300 as well.

>>59694578
Jesus mate that alot of percentages
I don't even know if you know what you're saying anymore.
For clarity's sake let me tell you in basic terms
I don't believe a RX 470 is worth busting your budget over for a 20% increase.
Yes, 20% is alot and can be great but you need to factor in different things
Set your limit and stick to it; There will always be better things.
Why get a 470 when you can get a 480? Why get a 480 when you can get a 1070? etc.
You have to know where to draw the line.

>>59695125
The Samsung's theoretical lifespan should be in the 2k+TB, but it's only 400TB. Usually the controller or the cache portion of the SSD dies before the NAND does.

>>59695140
>4 percentages is too much
Oh okay. It is suddenly clear why you don't think it's worth spending 25% more for 45% better performance. Just 4 clear numbers overloads your brain.

>Why get a 470 when you can get a 480
Because a 470 is better performance/$ unless you need the extra VRAM for what you play. In most cases, you can just turn down settings and not see a difference to get VRAM under 4GB.
>Why get a 480 when you can get a 1070?
Because the 480 is better performance/$

Both the same reason you should never buy a 1050Ti except for maybe a low power HTPC.

>>59695207
Keep in mind we are talking different currencies here.
I'm not saying 1050 is an amazing card, All I am saying is that if have a budget you have too stick to that.
1050 isn't a 720/30fps/low settings.

You have to buy what is in your budget though, Thats all I'm saying.
You need to weight in multiple different factors.
Lets say my budget is £300, What PSU, CPU, RAM, mobo and case should I get? Keep in mind I have £150 left.

Guys I'm after a monitor that's 1440p, g-sync, and displays really nice colours. I watch a lot of Bluray rips and game, but I don't play FPS or online shooters.

Colour-quality is important. I've been looking at some IPS displays that are 1440p, but there are huge numbers of complains about "light bleed" and shit like that.

Recommendations? I'm in Australia.

This question has been kinda troubling me lately, and reading this thread barely helped.
>RX480: 4GB vs 8GB
Why should I get the 8GB version over the 4GB one? Because it's future-proof and handles high-settings textures well?

Also, assuming I want to cut costs, how much of a downgrade would a 470 be instead?

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/h3dPLD

New computer to replace my 8 year old build. Gaming and general desktop. My plan is for a Linux host machine with Windows as a virtual machine with PCI pass-through for gaming. Price is about where I want it. Been a while since my last build and am looking for any comments from 3rd parties before I buy.

>own a decent gaymen laptop
>decide to check out how much Id spend on a decent rig
>only the 1070 and 7700K will run me close to a thousand euros
Welp, looks like my 960M will have to do for another while

>>59695293
You said the 1050Ti was 130bong and the RX470 was 160bong.

That's less than 25% more bong for 45% better performance.

Or less than 10% more bong for your total build cost for 45% better performance.

>>59695325
-> >>59695207

>>59695320
Dell Ultrasharp U3017 is what I've been looking at, but I might prefer 27" or so.

>>59695356
>My plan is for a Linux host machine with Windows as a virtual machine with PCI pass-through for gaming
Run a 1700 and you can essentially have a 4c/8t running on Windows that's about 85% the performance of the 7700k while you have whole nother 85% of a 7700k still running Linux on the other 4c/8t.

Other than that:
-No point in getting the MX300 M.2 when it's SATA speed. Could just get a SATA drive and keep your M.2 slots open.
-That's an expensive ass 1070. You can get them for around $325 or less. Or an R9 Fury for $235. Sometimes you'll see 1080s around $400.
-Given your budget, you could afford to go fanless PSU
-... looking at the budget more, you're really not getting much for that price. You ought to be able to fit in a 500GB real NVMe + 1TB SATA SSD, for example, and stay under $1500.
-You can get windows for $20 off kinguin or something.

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>>59694710
So would I be better off buying a nice aircooler? I don't really care about aesthetics so Noctua looks like a good buy for me...

>>59695561
You have to buy what is in your budget though, Thats all I'm saying.
You need to weight in multiple different factors.
Lets say my budget is £300, What PSU, CPU, RAM, mobo and case should I get? Keep in mind I have £150 left.

>>59695574
Yes. A big Noctua is better than the $100 AIOs and slightly cheaper. They are extremely quiet and extremely good at cooling.
You need to spend more around $150 for an AIO that outperforms it.

>>59695582
For that budget you buy a refurbished/used PC.
You can't really even do a g4560+1050/460 in that budget. Even if you could, it wouldn't be worth it.
g4560+RX470 is the point that it's actually worthwhile.

>>59695356
>Gaming and general desktop. My plan is for a Linux host machine with Windows as a virtual machine with PCI pass-through for gaming.
>~$1500
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4MwftJ
That's $1361.
You can add a pricier GPU but a 1070 is only about 20%, maybe 25% better performance in the best case at 1440p. In some cases the performance is pretty close, and it's way cheaper.

You might want to reuse your old GPU for now and wait for Vega for the Nvidia price drops or Vega itself.

>>59695753
Can you recommend a good noctua. My processor is LGA1155. Is the NH-D15 good for me?

>>59695753
Anon, I like you.
You go out of your way to help others but I really can't agree with you on the 1050 being useless or not even worth considering.
I doubt I'm going to convince you and you certainly won't be convincing me.

>>59695823
I have a 2600k and got a nh-u14s cheap and it's doing great, fuckers huge however. 34°C idle, 50°C to 60°C under load clocked to ~4ghz.

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Have any of you used these side to side air flow vs top down CPU coolers?

I want to use the CS01 case and it has 69mm of clearance. About all I can fit is one of these, or one of the top down coolers. Price wise they are the same, but airflow wise this should make more sense because the case is oriented in such a away that the only fan in the case takes in air in parallel to the motherboard.

>>59695892
>Dynatron
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRG1QbPfwk4

>>59695891
Nice. I have the 2600 (non-k) and want to squeeze more power out if it. I figured i could get it to about 4ghz with a decent cooler on it. I have a big case and i dont mind the size.

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>>59695837
Even on games "optimized" with Nvidia Gameworks, the RX470 still outperforms the 1050Ti. That's how bad it is.

This average list was before the Polaris driver updates, too.

Considering you can get an RX470 for $90-$120 in the US which is cheaper than I've seen a 1050Ti, and still in europoor it's still only about 20-25% more expensive, it's easily worth its price.

There's nothing to "convince" me of. The numbers are really objective.
If you're spending 500quid on a PC, it makes sense to spend another 30 more to make it 50% faster.

>>59695892
Yes. Side to side is good when you only have a rear exhaust fan and no top fans or opening in your case.

>>59695891
Not sufficient for the 4.8+ people chase now days, though. Need like an NH-D15 for that.

>>59695999
Silverstone has one too, but the fins are smaller and the fan is equally small (60mm) so I doubt it will be any quieter.

>>59696020
There is no exhaust fan, just an intake fan.

>>59695561
>That's an expensive ass 1070. You can get them for around $325
Where? $375 seemed to be the floor for 1070s. $500 for 1080s

>you could afford to go fanless PSU
Does that give me anything besides noise reduction?

>>59695782
>You might want to reuse your old GPU for now and wait for Vega
Currently have a 9800 gtx. Looking for an upgrade sooner rather than later and AMD doesn't seem forthcoming with a release date.

>>59696020
Yes, I know full well the RX 470 is better than a 1050
I know it has a better price:Performance ratio but again
This is subjective, Not every situation is the same.
Lets say I'm a 17 year old, I've just been given £100 and decided to use it to upgrade my GPU
What GPU do I get?
What GPU should I get that is under 100?
Keep in mind: I can not get more money, I have 100.
Thats it.

Let me ask very frankly: For whatever reason I can only spend £100
On amazon I see an RX470 priced at £150 while I see the 1050 at £100.
Should I buy that 1050? If not why?
Again, I have £100, thats it; No taking out loans, No getting a part time job, No selling my sperm, robbing a bank, begging my mum or whatever
I have £100 that is it.

>>59696132
>Lets say I'm a 17 year old
lmao underage ban

>>59696167
Come on anon, I know you're better than that.

>>59696132
And then regret it a few weeks or months later.

But I'd say if all you're doing is CS:GO or LoL then yes it's worth it (I'm at 60+ FPS constant on LoL with ultra settings with my iGPU). If your goal is to play all the latest games in OK conditions then it'd be worth aiming a little higher. If you can wait use the iGPU in the meantime (that's what I'm doing while saving for a big GPU at the moment).

Not him by the way.

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>>59696102
>Where? $375 seemed to be the floor for 1070s. $500 for 1080s
1080 was on sale yesterday for $420 on ebay. New with warranty from a warehouse. I believe you could get it for about $380 from the $40 ebay cash back added onto it.

$325 mini-itx low profile 1070 OC was on sale this morning. Not sure if they're still around.

You just have to not buy all the parts in one day and buy them over time, watching for 1 day sales.

>Does that give me anything besides noise reduction?
They have to be crazy energy efficient to be fanless. So they tend to be beyond 80+ platinum.
It's so difficult, there's only like 6 or 7 models? Compared to 2000+ other models.
Less heat, less noise, higher quality everything.

That, or SFX PSUs are neat. You can fix them in a normal form factor case, and have the flexibility of getting a more compact SFX PSU case down the line like the Lian Li PC-05 (with a small enough PSU and minor modding you can actually fit in an mATX instead of mITX)

Given that current form factor PSUs easily provide 4x more power than 99.9% of people use, SFX are probably going to be the near-future standard in cases, so getting an SFX could be a good call.

>Currently have a 9800 gtx. Looking for an upgrade sooner rather than later and AMD doesn't seem forthcoming with a release date.
It'll tide you over. Vega is coming late April or May.

I'm hoping we hear a more concrete release date, models, pricing by the 11th. :/

>>59696216
Yeah simply using the iGPU on the G4560 makes no sense then spending all the money for a measly 1050. Thank you.
It's what, a bit under 0.5TFLOPS for the G4560? And 2TFLOPS for the RX460, and like 4.5 for the RX470? Something around there. That's a somewhat decent indicator.

I just got a 1080ti
what do

>>59696344
sell it and wait for vega

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what would be the equivalent graphic card and cpu as the PS4 pro?

>>59696809
overclocked RX460

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Why

>>59696809
G4560 and a 470 is more than as powerful as the PS4 Pro. An overclocked 460 is closer.

>>59696913
It's crashing for some reason. Did you try a clean uninstall with the third-party driver removal utility and installing the drivers again?

>>59696949
>It's crashing for some reason
Which as far as I can tell is random. Play some games for a solid 40-60 minutes, random crash. Using programs or watching a video in browser, crash. I can't really pinpoint the cause, stats in Afterburner just tell me that the GPU usage peaks.

>Did you try a clean uninstall with the third-party driver removal utility and installing the drivers again?
Of course, I did DDU, safe reboot, downloaded both 17.2.1 and 17.3.3 and both have had this issue. I even just got this card back from a RMA and am still having the same issue so I can only hope it's not a PSU or MOBO connection issue, for whatever reason.

Next step is clearing drivers with DDU and then manually installing the AMD drivers through device manager, I guess.

>>59696809
In a literal sense?
Two Athlon 5370s and an underclocked R9 390
In a less literal sense?
An Atom C2750 and an overclocked R9 380X
In a much more practical sense?
An Athlon X4 845/FX-4300/Pentium G4560/G4600/Core i3-6100
with an R9 390/GTX 1060 3GB/RX 470

>>59697128
What about a much less practical sense?

>>59697182
A Pentium G4560 and a used R9 290X or GTX 970

>>59697128
A g4560 is way more powerful than the PS4 to to begin with, let alone the i3-6100.

>>59697182
A 380 die soldered with 8 of its 28 CUs cut off and put onto a chip
...then 2 underclocked Athlon 5370 soldered to that die near 2 corners
...and some special thing with the cache.

It actually looks sort of like what a severely underclocked and low IPC 4+4 core Ryzen APU would look like if they weren't just 4 cores plus the APU.
But there is way, way more latency between the cores/caches with the 2x4 jaguar cores than you have in Ryzen and a whole bunch of other stuff that's way worse.

Raven Ridge APUs are going to be like much better console SoCs, minus the memory unless they add HBM2 to them.

>>59688020
>implying that bitcoining degrades GPU performance over time
No...

>>59697313
GPUs don't last forever, anon. They're like 2-3 year rentals max in my experience.

>>59697616
7970 owner here. 6 year old GPU.
Still get at least 30fps in almost every game, and 60fps average in 95% of them if I just turn down shadows, motion blur, and benign stuff like that that hardly effects quality.
(hell, max shadows looks worse in many games. Makes that flickering self shadow shit that looks worse than none at all)

I bet you the high end Vega is going to be good for 6+ years as well at 1440p or 2560x1600. Just its 4k @ 60fps minimum will fall off after a few years.

>>59697762
That's an excellent card, but I'm not really talking about whether or not the cards are obsolete or not, just that it's really not that unusual for them to start having issues/artifacts after a few years of heavy use. Sounds like you got lucky with a good card. I have a feeling Vega will be the next great card from a longevity standpoint too, seeing as how it's the beginning of a new arch.

>>59697884
I have two 7970s. They both work flawlessly.
I have a 5770 that still works flawlessly as well. I handed it down to my mom along with my old E7500.

Before that, my.. 7800, I think it was, crapped out within a month of the warranty expiring.
Then I got a 9600GTX OC that was a lemon and I didn't even want to bother RMAing once I realized the problem really was just the card since the 5000 series just came out and looked great.
Was a fucking XFX 9600GTX too, that was loud as shit. I thought from reviews that it looked nice, like 9800 performance for cheaper. Yeah, its peak performance was nice because it was way overclocked for how poorly it was cooled. While the 5770 was the most quiet stock card I had around the time.

I don't think Nvidia's are necessarily unreliable, mind you. I hear more about them being more reliable, sure, but I think that's just because Nvidia sells more cards. But jesus fucking christ, regardless, every Nvidia card I had was shit.

>>59697961
Oh I should add that, while I have 2 7970s, I just use one.

I just used 2 before to mine bitcoins faster. But I haven't played a game I can't get at least 30fps minimum in with it even now days on decent settings, so I never bothered installing the second one back.
I should have sold one of them years ago, but oh well. I got way more than my fair share of value out of them. It hardly seems worth the effort to sell them even back a few years ago when I still could have gotten $300 for one.

What is the Best Graphics card to buy SecondHand?

>>59697961
>>59697990
I've owned a bunch over the years too, maybe I've just had bad luck with some of them. I have a 9600 PRO in storage somewhere... that might work if there's an AGP board lying around somewhere to check, and it did work well for about 2 years. After that was an x850 which lasted about a year and thankfully died while it was under warranty. The x1900 PRO I was sent worked for about 4 years and actually still worked last time I used it a few years ago as a stopgap. The 5770 that replaced it only lasted about 2 years unfortunately.

I then had a 270x for a while that I handed own to my brother and it still works well now past the 3 year mark. Now I have a crossfire 380/380x setup and I agree that many games aren't worth the added heat/noise if I can just hit 60 fps with one. So I guess all told I've had some really good ones and some duds, but because of that I probably would just take it as a given that a card will make it past the 3 year mark, hence my original statement.

>>59698115
Would NOT just take it as a given