/pcbg/ - PC Building General

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>>59677920
>doesnt like the fact AMD catched up to Intel
>has their drones derail thread and make a "proper" one

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Daily reminder: ryzen "wait" fags couldn't refute the fact a $60 pentium g4560 btfo their $200 to $400 line up multi "cores" """"processor"""" in any game performance, period.
>inb4 just wait!
>inb4 optimization will fix it!
delusional amd shills will ironically use this to argue. pathetic.

>>59677981
(You)

>>59677960
>not even out yet
>"""simulated benchmarks""""

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>>59677981
>in poorly threaded tests
>buying 2 core CPU in 2017

>>59677981
literally /thread

>>59678014
simulated tests have been shown to be fairly accurate in the past. stay mad, fag.

>>59678015
still faster than ryzen in most real life tasks.

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>>59678034
>this is what amd shills really believe
no wonder amd always let you down since you are this delusional.

>>59678112
shit tier minimum fps in modern games, will just get worse as time goes on

>>59678138
i rather trust those tests where they disable cores and test than taking a fucking kike's word for it.

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>>59678167
what's with this bonding between antisemitism and amd fanboys? No wonder they are losing because they're just bunch of neo nazis.

>>59678167
and ryzen will get good when?

>>59678198
because they're known for hiring people to shitpost on the web

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Should I worry much about mobo's ssd support list? Other than m.2 size, can you even buy something incompatible these days?

>>59678237
>when
just WAIT
it will get good eventually.

>>59678247
bios update tends to fix incompatibilities

>>59678237
>>59678256
it already is good.

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>>59678270
>ryzen
>good
pick one you delusional shill

>>59678312
go look at actual fucking benchmarks, shill

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>>59678324
it seems like you are just denying. Every single benchmark I saw is that ryzen getting btfo off the table by intel from i7 to even fucking pentium.

Can we pls merge the threads?

HI I'M THE AVERAGE HARDWARE BUYER
I HATE COMPETITION AND AS SUCH I WILL BELITTLE ANYONE WHO STOPS MY COMPANY FROM CHARGING AN EXTRA MIRRION DOLLARS FOR MY SHIT

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>>59678367
>intel has higher IPC
>intel can reach higher clocks
>tests can use all the cores/thread of Ryzen7
>LOOK AMD IS SHIT
download more braincells

some games are already utilizing 100% on every core/thread of i5 and i7, it wont get better in the near future.

>>59678406
>test CANNOT* use all ryzen threads

>>59678402
>expecting anything better from gamers
kek

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>>59678406
>just wait for utilization!
lets all point and laugh at this delusional amd shill

>>59678452
i7 is already being used 100% on all cores/threads. get a grip on reality

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>>59678466

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>>59678402
do we have a variant of this yet with amd, intel and nvidia?

>>59678489
https://youtu.be/aACaq3C4ONY?t=16m5s

realistically speaking, should I wait for ryzen 5?

>>59678741
you would be a fucking retard if you didnt wait less than 2 weeks to see if intel lowers their price or not.

>>59678741
don't listen to this amd drones>>59678769
don't wait because all benchmarks show that ryzen 5 is DOA. just by intel like a real human being.

>>59677960
"catched"
Opinion discarded

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>>59678785
>dont wait 10 days to see if intel lower their prices
fucking kek, thanks for confirming you're a kike shill

>>59678242
"I'm not a shill, you're the one who's a shill!"

>>59678816
look at this people, this is the state of amd shills. Everyone who even has a bit different opinion with them, they will deliver personal attack, even racist and antisemitic attack. This is the current state of AMD. LMAO

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>>59678828
>>59678851
>No goyim, dont wait for eventual price drops on our products! You must buy while it's still overpriced!

>8 unique IPs
>46 posts

Is logical increments down or something?

Also is it worth paying an extra 20$ for a fully modular PSU?

>>59678880
Intel's price is justified, shill, and the reason amd is cheaper is that, you know, shit product always sells cheaper.

>>59678951
Up for me.

If you're using mATX I'd go for it. If you're using full ATX, maybe not.

>Clearance event
>Further Detail:
>DHL needs further information from the importer.
>Next Step:
>A DHL representative shall attempt to contact the importer or please contact DHL Customer Service for further assistance. Customer should contact DHL Customer Service if not reached by DHL

Should i be worried?

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>>59678955
>200% cost for 30% more performance
>justified

>>59678951
fully modular no, semimodular yes.

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>>59679045
Intel is always, let me say that again, always better in price/performance ration that shitamd "cpu". just because amd has more "cores" that doesn't mean it has better performance. Single thread is btfo by intel whilst multithreading is shit comparing to intel's hyperthreading, and amd can't even oc higher. Tell me again how is that better performance? All benchmarks show that amd cpus shows lower fps to their intel counterparts even pentium g4560 btfo $400 ryzen 7. Refute this, amd shill.

>>59679164
I dont wanna be like that but you can't counter argument someone else when you yourself don't show any proof.

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Just want to say I'm glad Ryzen exists and we can finally have Intel v AMD arguments on /g/ again. It's been years.

>>59679210
How hard is it to google yourself you fucking idiot?

Should I bother building a workstation PC for 400-500? Times are tough right now.

>>59679259
yeah get a pentium g4560 and gtx 1070 combo then you are good to go.

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I plan to build this as my replacement server at some point in the future (current server shows no signs of dying/storage still has free space)
My current server is an old Opteron 170/4GB Ram/10TB Storage box running Windows Home Server 2011. Been great for a long time but the hardware is starting to show it's age. plus the drives have all gotten past the 2+ yr service mark. (I've got backups, but still)
I plan to keep the WHS 2011 OS cause it just works, does all I need without fail.

CPU: FX 8300
RAM: 8GB
HDD: 1TB (OS/Client Backup drive), 4TB x 4 Raid 5 (Storage) May go with 6TB x 4 Raid 10 depending on drive cost
Roles: FTP/Remote Web Access Server,Streaming Media Server,File Server,Client Backups.

>>59679388
Interesting. And why do you post here?

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Thank you to whatever anon helped me get the $90 470 yesterday. It's gonna be here next week. Now to just build the rest of the computer around it...

I7 3770 4+4 overclocked to 4.2 ghz
16gb hyperx beast
Gtx660 4gb
Shitty 1tb hdd
Considering video and hdd upgrade. Built it 3 years ago for about $1k

>>59679388
Speccy thread is 2 blocks down buddy.

>>59679429
sounds reasonable.

>>59677920
>I7 3770 4+4 overclocked to 4.2 ghz
>16gb hyperx beast
>Gtx660 4gb
>Shitty 1tb hdd
>Considering video and hdd upgrade. Built it 3 years ago for about $1k
Forgot to mention country - UK

>>59679419
nice where did you snatch that deal?

>>59679470
not that guy but he bought ebates vouchers for newegg and got some off plus mail in rebate

>>59679490
>>59679470
What he said. It's still active too, but it takes groupon like 45 minutes to deliver the codes. Rebate thing ends tonight.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16814126124

>>59679517
Where do I get this Groupon code?

>>59679443

Get a ssd, and replace the gpu. What gpu depends on desired resolution.

My brother asked me to put together a gaming build. I suggested rx480 + i5 7400. Should I have recommended 7500 (7400 was €20 cheaper)? He'll mostly play Source and some Frostbite games.

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Should I get a 7700 or a 1700x for heavy gaming?
Should I go ahead and buy a 1080, a 1080ti, or wait for Vega for 1440p 144hz?
Is gsync/freesync a feature worth investing into when purchasing a monitor?

I have plenty of money but I'm not going to go insane with like SLI 1080tis and a $500 motherboard or something.

>>59679615
neither. R5 1500.

>>59679620
1600X

>>59679602
>i dont have to proofs and you have to prove my stuff for me!

>>59679615
>i5 7500
meh tier. esp if he plays bf1.

>>59679620
Forget the 1700x and compare the 1700, they are basically identical. Wait for Vega. Adaptive sync isn't a meme but will cost you.

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>>59679543
>Sign up for ebates
>Install ebates chrome extension. You can remove it when this is all over
>Set ebates up with your paypal
>Use ebates to buy newegg giftcards on groupon (ebates will show up in the top right corner, click that)
>Buy $100 and $50 giftcards for newegg on groupon (just type in newegg, you'll see it)
>Will give you $15 in free promotion codes for newegg
>Wait 45 minutes for them to arrive
>go to newegg, activate the ebates button in the top right again
>buy 470
>at checkout insert $10 and $5 codes first (will be on PDFs in your groupon account under "my groupons)
>insert codes for the $100 and $50 codes
>check out


Bam, $90 470 after you get all your ebates back in two months + the $30 rebate from ASUS

>>59679652
Hmm, thanks for the info. I think I might wait until RX 500 series to drop and buy a cheap 480 then though.

>>59679677
There's a 480 available with the same method

Why don't newer motherboards come with HDMI 2.0 by default? Hardly any Kaby Lake Mobo's come with it, and the ones that do are like a USB-C to HDMI 2.0 hack, not really native..

It's relevant because I don't gayme, so I don't really need an iGPU, and Kaby Lake is capable of 4k 60hz, but no fucking motherboard supports 2.0 so you can''t really hook up a Kaby Lake desktop to a 4k TV or Monitor with limited inputs.

>>59679681
Yes, I see the 8GB 480 for $200 with the rebate right now. I'm hoping that the prices go even lower when the new series comes out.
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814126117

>>59679689
Same reason why motherboards come with USB 2.0 slots.

>>59679615
neither. pentium g4560
also discard shills opinion>>59679638
>>59679620
same. you won't need more than two cores. spend saved money on a better gpu and ram.

>>59679556
Ssd is too expensive for now and what the tendency shows it goes down on price. I'll replace the gpu and wait for ssd prices to go down a bit.

>>59679721

Can you 2 core retards fuck off? Not everyone wants to join your stuttering hellhole of a life just because you have buyers remorse.

>>59679721
I hear the 4560 thing thrown around a lot

Is the 4620 not worth the extra money?

>>59679773
both have hyperthreading, which is just an i3 but half of the price. 4620 is just clocked a bit higher than 4560, which you won't notice just a few fps in gaming. Just buy g4560 for $60 like any rational customers.
>>59679766
look at this shill. Refute this: your "just wait for optimization" is not coming any soon.

>>59679804
your 2 core piece of shit drops frames in all modern games all the time. it's only a decent option if you play old shit games. the 2 extra threads makes no difference.

>>59679804

No need to refute when my i5 3570k @ 4.5Ghz is already choking dicks on games and you think you can skip away with a dual core, fucking retard.

>>59679857
>No need to refute when my i5 3570k @ 4.5Ghz is already choking dicks on games and you think you can skip away with a dual core, fucking retard.
maybe if you werent a faggot it wouldnt be choking on dicks then.

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>>59679847
>drops frames
where is the proof shill? oh wait you don't have them because that's utterly untrue. Back to r/AMD already.
>>59679857
>he still uses obsolete technology
kabylake is superior, retard.

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>>59679898
just google a benchmark test like you told us to do not long ago

someone go get the fucking janny out of the chink shit thread and come in here to clean house, please

>>59679958
>"fake news" poster
refute this retard
>>59679912

>>59679898

Keep shilling garbage dual cores. No one believes your bullshit anyhow.

>>59679988
>amdrones' logic:
>if you disagree with me, then you must be a shill!

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>>59679985
>noname spic youtuber is more reputable than all the big ones that do actual hardware reviews for a living
TOP FUCKING KEK
>doesnt list minimum/average FPS
in the >>>/trash/ it goes

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Will an older PSU with only a 20 pin motherboard connector work with a newer motherboard that uses a 24 pin connector? The PSU is an Antec 480w and it's about 10 years old. The motherboard is some Acer Intel board and it's just a couple years old.

Most of what I've read seems to indicate that it will work with a good enough PSU, but currently I'm getting no video, no error code beeps, nothing. I'm guessing I need the 24 pin connection.

>>59680036
maybe, maybe not. would not recommend it even if it works, will most likely cause issues.

>>59679721
Dude, I'm considering buying a 1080ti and a 7700. There is not much "better" than I can go with that supposedly saved money as far as I know. I'm clearly not doing a budget build.

Just from a casual glance, the g4560 scores significantly lower in benchmarks than the 7700 and there have been several games this year that perform much better the more cores you add into the equation.

What's the point in even having a 144hz monitor if I'm fighting an uphill battle just to attain 60fps in modern games? Especially if I decide to play a MMO, RTS, or other cpu bound genre in the future.

>>59680084
oh I see. just make sure you are buying intel. avoid amd scams asap.

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>>59678312

>>59680036
>>59680073
Finally got it running; it turned out there was an issue with the monitor.

I have an IR thermometer that I'm using to monitor temperatures of the power cable. From what I've read, if the power draw is too much for the 20 pin cable, it can cause overheating.

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>built my pc 2 weeks for gaming
>everyone told me not to get a i7
>"if you get an i7 for gaming kys"
>dl and play Watch Dogs 2
>100 cpu usage even with a 1070 gpu
>it's probably only going to get worse in the future
Thanks a lot...4 cores are going to be obsolete. but i'm glad I wasted my money..

>>59680439

Just return your CPU/motherboard friend.

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>>59677981
Drink.

>>59680439
return it.

anyone who says you dont need an i7 for gaming is a reddit pcmasterrace faggot who thinks they can make a pc as cheap as a console.

>>59680439
>>59680542
get pentium g4560 instead

>>59680457
>>59680542
I've already used it for 2 weeks though, not sure if I can.

>>59680568
return window is 1 month.

do it faggot.

/pcbg/, need opinions. I currently have a Core P5 that i'm repurposing to hold my workstation at work. I want a case with 240mm rad support, no longer than 17.5" deep. Is this a pipedream or does such a case actually exist?

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>>59680572
>Returns for CPUs or Memory products will not be accepted.
OutletPC..kind of shitty
W/e it's fine for now I guess, guess I'll just have to upgrade sooner than later

>>59680687
call them and tell them you want a return.

business arent allowed to do that actually.

Am I a retard for wanting an X370 even though I'm not going to SLI? All the B350's don't have enough sata/usb, and that's what I need.

>>59680687

they're not allowed to simply deny you a return anon. Just contact them and be nice.

>>59680709
>>59680738
I ordered online, but yeah we'll see.
I'll call support in the morning.

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Hey pcb/g/, first time poster here, long time visitor.
I want to build a new computer and save some money using some old parts. I keep checking logicalincrements but I just can't make up my mind, maybe you can help me?
My budget is $1000 +/- 200, either to save for better deals later, or if some really sweet parts take me over 1k today.
I currently have a 1TB HDD, no SSD and no M.2.
I have a 550 watt PSU I may or may not want to carry over to my next build (it's old and is missing some connections, like an 8 pin molex, but I am combining 2 6s for my GPU).
My GPU is a EVGA GTX 950 FTW, got it for $130, bran new and it's on Amazon now for $209, a good deal, I think.
The rest of my parts cannot be carried over except my monitors and maybe my mouse and kb, but I really want to replace them if I'm getting a new system.
I really want to get a good Mobo that I can put maybe a better CPU on overtime, one that I can put maybe 16 GB of RAM on now and go up to 32 or 64 later.
Seems like a socket LGA 1151 may be the way to go now, but will it get much better than the i7 7700 or should I consider an AM4 board and get maybe an R7 1700 for now?
I just want a board I can get a GTX 1080 Ti on and potentially a top of the line CPU at some point in the future. For now I can stick with my GTX 950, 1 TB HDD and 550W PSU (maybe), I just need a new case, motherboard, CPU and I'd like to have something left over for a decent keyboard and mouse. 1k to spend and I'd like to get it together in the next week.
Thanks.

>>59680778
get pentium g4560

>>59680778

Tell us about your use case. Are you gonna be gaming? Working? Streaming? Developing? If work, what kind of work?

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>>59680849
logical increments shows this as $63, but amazon only has it for $110 - $115, seems like it'd be a bad time to buy this, even if this was a good upgrade.

this thread is fucking cancer kill yourselves niggers

>>59681014
don't buy it from amazon. Check neweggs.

>>59680996
Rendering videos, gaming and possibly streaming, though I haven't decided on that yet.
I'd just like to be able to play some nice games for a change without them stuttering. I don't plan to uploade or render gameplay footage, but I do want to pick up a nice camera and record some footage of the surrounding area to upload for some of my viewers.
Sometimes I mess around with citizen science type stuff, but I haven't done that in a few years.
If I had a lot of spare resources I wouldn't mind lending them to some good causes tho, while I'm not using the pc for anything else.

>>59677920
evga gtx 1070

good or bad?

>>59681082
good. worth every penny.

>>59677920
Gonna repost my list in case anyone has new suggestions: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gzhG6X

How did I do /g/?

>>59681054
Thanks, I usually shop around, but that only means comparing amazon to newegg to, possibly, ebay.
I've read people mention several other stores, but I don't have experience with any other places.

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>>59680022
>>59679985
Not only that, but it's just one fucking screenshot
There are others where the 1400, a 179.99 CPU that comes with a heat-sink does just as well as the i5 or even better.
Shills are so fucking delusional

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>>59677920

Is this good for vr, gaming, video editing, and rendering?

>>59681151
>Is this good for vr, gaming, video editing, and rendering?

VR / Gaming: Great
Video Editing: Solid
Video Rendering: Solid

>>59681076

if you're rendering and considering streaming grab a B350 board, Ryzen 7 1700.

Reuse your HDD, buy an M.2 boot drive, preferably 180GB+. 2*8GB RAM

Should run you $650~$700.

>>59681151
Yes.

>>59681151

If you're rendering/editing get a B350 board and a Ryzen 7 1700.

>>59681136
Don't buy an 1800X, get a 1700. 1800X is a waste and only a 100mhz gain on average when OC'd.

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>Customs stopped my motherboard in a city 15Km away from mine
>Wont ship till monday since no customs in weekends
Fuck.

>>59681501
lel get rekt

>>59681501
country?

i can see some customs nigger looking at your motherboard knowing you wont be able to finish your build when he flags it for inspection.

>>59681612
Mexico.

Since its been 18 hours since it arrived customs for sure they are to check it.
I hope they dont break anything like that new zeland anon that got his gayming motherboard destroyed because the chipset heatsink was a gun.

>>59681624
>Mexico.
probably tore it open looking for drugs.

probably removed the heat sinks to look for drugs there as well.

and the chipset, and the capacitors, rip.

>>59681624
you better stay back, paco

AMD fanboys theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U06jlgpMtQs

>>59681851
Is this meant as an insult or compliment?

i just wanted to say i cant wait to build my pc . i ordered that case today and it should be arriving next week. Im going to wait a bit before i get my processor just to see how ryzen fairs

>>59681905
Same here, been building it for 2 years.
>tfw $3.5 USD daily wage

>>59681624
mexican customs are the worst.

t. fellow mexifag

will budget cards like the 470 still be relevant for a while?

>>59681990
at the very least until volta, yes.

>>59682028
isn't that coming out this year?

>>59681990
only this year.

>>59682045
2018. no word on when in 2018, but it won't be later than Q2 if i were to assume.

so how much cheaper will rx 480s get when the 580 comes out next month?

>>59682048
>>59682055
guess ill save for a 1060 or 1070 then

>>59682073
or 480 actually
does 4GB versus 8GB really matter?


t. poorfag

>>59682092
get the 8 gig even if u pay more.

it will last forever.

>>59682092
8gb of vram will last you longer

>>59682115
alright cool

now what about 1060 versus 480?

>>59682123
480.

>>59682092
don't fall for the meme, 8gb won't make it faster.
buy now what you need, sell when new cards come out if needed.

just ordered my parts and found out that my mobo doesnt support 7th gen out of the box and requires a bios update. am i screwed and do i have to buy a 6th gen intel? mobo is msi h110i pro and cpu is g4560

(yes i am aware ryzen is coming out and its much better and i do agree but im just using this for light gaming and thats it and a 75$ pentium is more than enough)

>>59682144
>and its much better
don't get memed son. just update your bios.

>>59682133
dont listen to this retard.

buy 8 gig, a lot of games need the extra memory and without it it will lag like shit whether its fast enough or not.

>>59682170
in terms of video editing / rendering isnt it objectively better? i am of course a technological retard though so i may be wrong

so i need to buy another cpu in order to update the bios since it doesnt support kaby lake?

>>59682205
>download bios update to flash drive
>stick in pc
>reboot pc
>go to bios
>update
*poof*

>>59682217
i didnt even think of that. i truly am an idiot. what a time to be alive though, thanks a bunch anon

>>59682280
>i truly am an idiot
we noticed

>>59677920
>consider an i5 7500
>1050Ti worthwhile while an RX470 is 170% as good and cheaper
Kill yourself, dumb faggot OP.

>>59677981
Why are you guys buying 7700ks for 4c/8t if a 2core is good enough and all that matters is single threaded?

Aren't you refuting your own "points" there?

>>59682296
at least he's aware of it, you're both dumb and deluded

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>>59678452
>>59678489

7700k clocked to 5Ghz.

Explain how it's going to magically become more powerful so it can get 144fps+ in future games that are more demanding than BF1 MP.

>>59679429
Yeah your CPU is fine. But your GPU is garbage.

A RX470 would be a massive upgrade. A 8GB RX480 would be even bigger.

If you have more money to spend, you can find 1070s for around $325 and 1080s around $420.

And a SSD would help a lot too, yep.

>>59679419
Oh that's me.
NP. Have fun with it.

>>59679652
>>59679677
That cheap RX470 is gone now though.
Cheapest you can get one now is $105.

You can also get an RX480 8GB for $150.

>I think I might wait until RX 500 series to drop and buy a cheap 480 then though.
You can just buy the online newegg giftcard vouchers now and use them for Vega, RX500, 1070, Ryzen, whatever you want. Though it's a max of getting $220-$330 of them.

>>59679708
Yes. That's the one I mean for $150.
You get that with ebates + newegg giftcards from groupon, and it costs $150 instead.

You can do similar to get a 1070 for about $270 as well.

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pic-related are my specs

i was thinking of getting a 480 8GB when (hopefully) the price goes down next month after the 580 is released and upgrading the CPU (and the rest of the rig) at a later date

won't bottleneck too bad will it?

>>59677920
Question:

I have a crippling addiction to Overwatch and my once stellar scholastic performance is taking a sharp nose dive. At the last place I lived I could prevent myself from playing these games (for 5 or 6 hours) by uninstalling them (I would only download at like 2 or 300 kbps) but the new apartment I'm living in has internet that will download OW in like 10 minutes.

I've decided that getting rid of my GTX 950 and replacing it with a graphics card that cannot run OW or WoW at a playable frame rate is something I need to do. Does anyone have an recommendations on graphics cards that wouldn't make my entire computer run like a POS but definitely wouldn't play OW or, less importantly, WoW? I've looked at workstation graphics cards but I really don't know much about them. Any advice would be awesome.

tl;dr:

I need a graphics card that wouldn't run any reasonably new FPS games but wouldn't cause my computer to run like complete shit.

>>59679615
No, the i5s are all garbage. All of them.

Just get a G4560, a locked 7700 (dont need expensive cooler or mobo for them), or wait for Ryzen 5.

If that's your budget, Ryzen 5 costs about the same as a i5-7400 but is faster than a 7600k. A locked 7700 isn't much more (you can find them for under $260) and is going to be much much faster than the 7400.

>>59682585

iGPU?

>>59682585
I can't believe the guy who constantly shills for shitty pentiums hasn't answered you. You'd think he would have a recommendation.

>>59680439
It's not the 4 cores that's the problem so much as the only having 4 threads.

4 threads is not enough when you're spending over $600 on a build.

I'm sorry some morons on /g/ convinced you that an i5 4c/4t was good enough. You should have gotten a locked 7700 at least, which is about $300 cheaper total than a 7700k, for better performance in newer games like that than the more expensive 7600k.

I've been here a few days trying to help people, but it's become exhausting with all the i5 builds people post and recommend.

Like >>59680457 >>59680542 said, since you got it 2 weeks ago you should just return it.
You can build a good locked 7700 build for cheap that'll be better, or wait for the 1600X.

>>59680778
For $1200 you can get a locked 7700, 500GB-1TB SSD, and 1080. That's a pretty good build for that price.

For $800, best would probably be a R5 1500X or 1600X with either a 1070 or 1080 (or wait for Vega)

>1080Ti
For $700+, not worth it considering you can get a 1080 for $420 or less. Not worth giving up a decent SSD and other shit given your budget. You'd need to be talking more $1500+.

>will it get much better than the i7 7700
Will it get better how?
This is the last line of Z270.
Coffeelake is going to need a new chipset, which means a new motherboard. I highly doubt you'll be able to flash BIOS for a Coffeelake CPU to work even if it is still the LGA1151 socket. It's not going to be "Z370", it's something significantly different this time around.

If you want more future proof, go AM4.

>>59681151
Cooler is ass. You can get a better air cooler for cheaper. You need to spend more around $150 for an AIO that outperforms Noctua.

But considering you're getting this for video editing and rendering, a 1600X or 1700 would probably be better for you.

>>59682578
You can get the ROG Strix 8GB RX480 for $150.
It's on Newegg for $200 now. Use ebates and buy newegg giftcards off groupon and it becomes $150.

Or, to any affect, buy the newegg giftcards now, and if you see one even cheaper under $200 that you want you can still use those to knock another $40-$50 off.

But yes, your X4 will bottleneck. It's still better than using ryzen with a GT 640, though. Just upgrade your other stuff later.

>>59682625
Don't have one on my board currently... Although that is something I hadn't thought of. I'd like to avoid replacing the whole motherboard... but if it comes down to that...

>>59682642
i5's where good enough 3 months ago, then again anons recommended to wait ryzen. I built my brothers computer with an i5 in January, kinda regret now, but it was that or an alienware. Worse comes to worse he can buy a used i7 cpu in a few years if it's not good enough.

>>59682639
Where you at shitty pentium guy?!?!

>>59681959
Tell me more about them anon.

>>59682797
>i5's where good enough 3 months ago
No they weren't. Were still better off either getting a G4560 or a locked 6700/7700.

i5s stopped being worth getting since Haswell as half the games coming out then, fucking years ago, were showing massive performance improvements with hyperthreading.
The only time you don't see a massive performance benefit from HT in 9/10 AAA games now days is because they're GPU bottlenecked not to show it to scam people into buying i5s.

The i5-7600k should cost like $125, and even then it'd hardly be worth it. If an i3-7350k was more like $90, it'd be pretty worth it.

>buy a used i7 cpu in a few years if it's not good enough.
Look at what a 4790k costs used.

>>59682346
>RX470 is 170% as good
i want amdicklets to leave.

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>>59682866
Kill yourself, shill. These are even from old benchmarks on old drivers.

Even on an Nvidia gimpworks game like Wildlands, the RX470 still outperforms the 1050Ti.

>>59682866
top kek
480 or 1060? :)
will 470 4GB last a few years? or will the 480 last way longer?

>checking specs on >gamedebate
>470 4gb OC and 480 8GB both receive 10s

>>59682897
Lmao. The 1050Ti is barely better than the APU tier 460.

That's going to be hilarious, when Ryzen APUs come out and they're about as good as the 1050Ti is when it's a fucking iGPU.

>>59682859
>Look at what a 4790k costs used.
Well if ryzen shits all over kaby lake and older intel cpus like everyone seems to imply they may actually go down in price.

>>59682906
For their respective prices, you can't beat the RX470 and 8GB RX480. You can get a RX470 for $90-$110 depending on what's on sale, and an RX480 8GB for $140-$170, again.
Don't get the 4GB RX480, though.

1070 is nice if you can afford ~$280 and can do the hoops to get it for that.

>>59682959
thanks man. by hoops i assume you mean rebate bullshit

ill see what the climate is in the coming months and go for either/or.

>>59682897
thats not 170%, good try retard.

>>59682906
>>59682959
Oh, you can also get an R9 Fury for about $185, last I checked.

$235 on Newegg minus about $50 with ebates+groupon newegg gift cards.

I wouldn't recommend spending over $200 on a GPU with Vega right around the corner, unless someone is sure they want a 1080 since I've been seeing those going really cheap.

>>59682976
well ebates+groupon is usually pretty easy and automatic. But yeah then a mail in rebate on top of that.
But at least not one of those things where you need multiple accounts.

I already got my newegg giftcards to save on the future stuff that drops.

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rate my new build, just set up today

thanks for the help in previous threads

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/t9ZRhq
help me make my build a little cheaper

>>59682994
Okay it's 150% the minimum frames. Close enough.

>>59682997
Not much to rate there?
No RAM latency or frequency.

And you got a 4GB RX480? You should have just gotten a 470 if you're not getting the 8GB.
I'm sorry about whoever recommended that or whatever, but unless you got it that 4GB RX480 for like <$130, that was a bad deal.

At least you got decent hard drives.

>>59682997
>Windows 10 Home instead 2016 LTSB
Other than that looks fine other than the 4GB 480.

>>59682995
>R9 Fury for $185
oh shit where?

will Vega cause a price drop for the 480 do you think?

yeah i was here for the ebates/groupon stuff from the last thread. i think i was the original guy he was answering to actually.

in >>59682897, the 480 is 10 points better than the 470. is this worth an extra $100?

>>59683014
>>59683031

3200mhz cas16 ram, running at 2133 right now until I start bios flashing and increasing the ram speed

the 480 is to hold me over until vega.

>>59683041
What about W10 home?

>>59683047
how do i get LTSB? w10 home was the free upgrade I installed yesterday on my old build with the accessibility update. created a flash drive then installed on the new build, it activated, so I didn't have to pay anything

>>59683058
Download the ISO from mydigitallife forums.

Home version will be ok as long you dont mind forced updates.

>>59683007
G4560. Don't get an i5, period.

ASRock Pro4 B250 was on sale for $59 last I checked. I don't know how the LGA1151 board is, but the AM4 ASRock Pro4 is great so I'd assume the intel one is pretty nice too.

$200 8GB RX480 ROG Strix off Newegg, -$50 with ebates+groupon newegg giftcards to bring it down to $150.

Rosewill SRM-01 or Zalman T5 case $30 unless you really want that particular case.

Upgrade the PSU to the Seasonic 550RM. Only $20 more, but much better.

That should bring you down to around $575.
Or wait for Ryzen 5 before you get the mobo/cpu/ram, spend $700, and get a faster computer for cheaper than what you have there.

In fact, just plain copy this build, it seems to be what you're looking for:
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/n6C9Ps
>$576
It even has a 500GB SSD instead. Just add a HDD on later when you need it.

>>59683041
Well shoulda just got an RX470 to hold you over, but that's fine.
The RX470 4GB is just a like 5-10% lower clocked RX480 4GB pretty much. Main reason to get a RX480 is for the higher VRAM.

Lucky for me, I have parts laying around for these waiting situations.

>>59683014
>Okay it's 150% the minimum frames
niggers cant do math

>>59683076
36 * 1.5 = 54

Use a calculator, if that's too hard for you.

>>59683069
I'm going to let it ride a little bit, if the updates are terrible I will give that a try

>>59683071
I heard the 8gb rarely even uses all the VRAM? either way, I plan to sell it depending on Vega, came from a phenom II with geforce 460...really like AMD's software compared to geforce experience so far

>>59682726
didnt see this til now, very much appreciated.

>>59683095
Yes. Games still rarely use over 3-4GB.
But when they do, it cuts performance in half.

>really like AMD's software compared to geforce experience so far
Yeah AMD software and drivers are actually much better than Nvidia's as of like the past year. And they were about even for a few years prior.

First few years of GCN sucked, though, and is why AMD has a bad reputation there even today now that theirs is much better than Nvidia's.

>>59683071
>Ryzen 5
yeah i was going to wait for that. i was basically going to wait till a little bit after the 580s come out. but the build you gave looks pretty good

>>59683095
>Rarely uses all that Vram

Depends on the game. Like when people were crying their eyes out that they couldn't run mankind divided on ultra without slaughtering their fps and lashed out others for buying the supposed 8gb "meme"

>>59683088
>36 * 1.5 = 54
>54 = 53
dumb nigger actually believes this.

>>59683143
Well you can take that almost exact build and bump it up from $576 to about $700 and you'll have double the CPU power.

>G4560+B250
$60+59 = $119
>R5 1400+B350
$160+80 = $240
Just have to replace those 2 parts. Rest stays the same.
Should probably go ahead and buy the GPU and PSU now since they're on sale.
Could watch sales up until Ryzen releases and see if you find better deals on cases, RAM, and that other stuff.

Or roughly about that. Worth it imo, especially considering how you could later on drop a zen2 or zen3 higher clocked 6 core in that same board while your only reasonable upgrade from the G4560 on a B250 board would be the locked 7700. Which is still a good good, but only about as good as the 1500X.
Better to just spend the extra $120 now.

>>59683141
>>59683151
I can live with that. It will just feel good to be able to play modern games finally

>>59683212
You'll have to turn down texture sizes in some cases to not use too much VRAM, essentially that's the difference.

I'm just saying a 470 would have been cheaper and 95% the same. While an 8GB can sometimes be double the performance at maxed settings over the 4GB.

Not a huge deal. You'll probably still be able to resell it for like $100-$125 when Vega comes.

>>59679804
>look at this shill. Refute this: your "just wait for optimization" is not coming any soon.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-game-optimization-aots-escalation,34021.html

More than 30% increased performance in Ashes

>>59683246
Poorfag here. Not him but down the line, when the Vega causes the 470 and 480 to price drop, would getting a 480 8GB be viable over a 470 4GB? Whichever I get I am going to have for years to come (the last time I bought a GPU was in 2012). It seems like the 480 is more future-proof

>>59683373
yes

>>59683373
I mean you could already get an RX470 for $120 on newegg 2 days ago, and use ebates+groupon to bring that down to about $90.

That's really cheap. That's better than 970 performance from a year ago for $90.

Even with RX500 coming, I don't see RX470s dropping much lower than that $120 that you can hoops down to 90. I have seen them as cheap as 110, but not with extra hoops to bring it down further.

RX500 is just a rebrand (might be on different process and lower power? But only 8% higher perf). When 390X came out, 290X prices did not drop much.

The 8GB RX480 is definitely more future proof, as already pointed out. I just don't think you're going to be getting them or RX580 8GBs for much cheaper than $150 any time soon.

The pricing of 1060s isn't exactly putting pressure on AMD to put 8GB RX580s at anything less than like the same $200-$250.

>>59683407
>on newegg
reee, amazon price drop when!!!!

what is a good 144hz 1080p freesync monitor?

I need a pc that can play games. My budget is 500 usd including monitor, mouse and all of that.
What do you recommend, sp?

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>>59683911
save more money

>>59683911
>$500 from scratch including monitor

You'd be better off saving up at least another 300 dollars

>>59683931
>>59683933
Okay, remove the monitor from the budget.

>>59683911
nintendo switch?

>>59683951
You'd be better off saving up at least another 300 dollars

You could get the bones of a decent PC with $500 and add a graphics card later. That's about all $500 is going to do for you if you want to play games.

If you score some crazy used PC deals then anything is possible. Newegg sometimes has some decent Haswell/Ivy Bridge refurbished workstations with i5's in them for like $300. You could probably add in a 1050 ti at the most in those things but that's another option.

>>59683975
Meant for >>59683951

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>>59683911
>>59683975
Buy a refurbished A12-9800 non-pro PC. You can get that for $350.
It will play roughly the same number of games that a G4560+1050 will.

You can also replace the motherboard with a B350 one and overclock it, generally.

But they're hard to find now because they get bought up fast by others that figured this out.

>order prebuilt pc
>Take CPU out
>Send it back
Devilish!!

>>59684045
>APUs in 2017
Nah, you'd be better off with an older i5 and an eventual dedicated GPU. Also, those cases tend to be proprietary as fuck and many times can't just have standard ATX motherboards added into them.

>>59684175

>i5
>ever

You really need to stop this meme

>>59677960
The word is caught, Anon.
It's caught.
Example: I've caught you making a mistake on the internet. Now people will laugh at you.

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>>59684164
This.

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>>59684164
>order prebuilt pc
>Take CPU out
>Send it back
>think you got away scot free
>keep doing this with different components
>eventually they catch on
>get black listed

>>59684175
You're really not.
I mean sure, if you can find a 3770 PC with a 380X or 780 in it on craigslist for $350, that's a bit better. Just a bit graphics wise, but definitely a better CPU.

But with that, you can swap in a B350 motherboard later on, and overclock it to 4.5ghz+.
Then later on you have a good B350 AM4 motherboard for a great upgrade path once your overclocking isn't enough and you have more money. The 3770 with its DDR3 and ancient socket has no upgrade path.
Not to mention it has USB 3.1, PCIe3.0, M.2, and all that modern stuff that a 3+ year old craigslist PC won't have.

I mean I don't know why I'm bothering giving you an intelligent response when you're spouting bullshit in response to the best advice someone can get when they only have $500 for monitor+mouse+keyboard+pc, but there you go.

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>>59684249
>A12-9800
It's just a high clocking excavator 2c/4t chip. At 4.5 GHz on air it's still just throwing IPC somewhere slightly north of piledriver (not great by today's standards). Not impressive.

When I suggested a DDR3/i5 setup it wasn't with the idea of carrying over any of those parts to a new setup years down the road or with the idea that he'd be able to track down a 3770/4770 at a reasonable price now or in a few years. It's just to get him a decent PC right now. A cheap, "ancient" 4670 refurb would absolutely destroy this A12-9800. So would a 3770 with it's ancient RAM, as if that matters when it's up against a dogshit 28nm APU.
Hell, so would this if you throw in a $100 GPU and the base system costs the same as what you suggested:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA5YV4ZT5210

Your idea of getting an AM4 APU that can be then used to transition into a B350 mobo and then into a Ryzen chip is idiotic. You also failed to address how many of these OEM cases do not adhere to ATX standards. Unless you know for a fact that's an ATX case, never recommend changing the mobo on an HP/Dell PC. Get good.

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>>59684377
him:
>hey guys I need a PC that can game, including monitor, keyboard, and mouse, for $500
you:
>HAHA FUCK YOU GUY THAT ACTUALLY RESPONDED WITH SOMETHING SENSIBLE THAT FITS THE BUDGET
>here buy this Xeon PC instead
>it has 1/2 the DDR3 RAM (not DDR4 like the Bristol Ridge APU)
>it has 1/4th the HD space
>btw you'll also need to add in a $100 GPU

And yes, I know for a fact that it's a mATX case.

You're a huge fucking faggot and a retard, just by the way.

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From the OP:
>Consider using an i5 6500/7500 in any RX470/480 or GTX 1060 tier build.
Any particular reason for this? I recently got the RX470 and new 16gb DDR3 ram but was thinking of getting new mobo/CPU as I'm still getting lag in some games and those components are older than the rest. I was going to get an i7 (gaming/3D modelling). Bit clueless on mobo and cpu choices.
Speccy pic is current build.

>>59684447
There is no reason.

OP is just retarded. You should never consider an i5. Ever. You never should have considered one in the past 2 years.

You are correct in that 4c/4t is lagging behind heavily in games now days and is completely unjustifiable paying $200 for anymore.
I also have a 2500k. a 7500 is pretty much no better than it and shouldn't be recommended. Literally 6 year old performance.

>>59684555
Well I did make this pc 4-5 years ago so it does make sense for those parts to be shit. Do you have any recommendations for cpu/mobo then, or should I just go back to wading through the hundreds of highest rated on pcpartpicker?

>>59684555
>>59684591

The i5 range (particularly the K models) have generally been the sweetspot for price vs performance when buildinmg a dedicated gaming PC for the last few years. You could still make a case for the octocore vishera chips but that bascially required overclocking and there are otherr platform nuances to be aware of. However the writing has been on the wall for a while that i5s are not going to be only slightly behind i7s while being considerably chiper - the i7 lead has been growing (often substantially). Now where the real shakeup comes is ryzen - the commanding price lead the i7s have over i7 has effectively been annihilated by ryzen which brings similar IPC and extra cores (and cores/threads is where the i7 gets its lead) to lower price points across the board.

In the here and now buying an i5 is extremely stupid with the ryzen 5 chips on the horizon. The 6c/12 ryzen chip will be THE gaming chip to get and is likely to remain so for quite a while.

By extension a combination of ryzen and the G450 has rendered the entire i3 lineup utterly pointless because nobody cares about AVX2 at this price level.

>>59684591
What is your budget?
You can obviously keep the RX 470.

Most on pcpartpicker suck ass, too. Tons of people using those shit h100i and 212evo coolers. You know people are clueless when they go with those.

>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/gHhrhq
That's my general "high end but huge performance/$" suggestion.
It's about $250 cheaper than a 7700k build, but 100% the same performance when you're GPU bottlenecked, which is most cases, and still better performance on average than a 5Ghz overclocked 7600k otherwise.

But you can also replace the locked 7700 with a 1500X or 1600X. The 1600X should potentially be better on some games, especially as games are better optimized for Ryzen, or with faster memory.

If you keep your RX470, then looking at about $500-$850 for a Ryzen5 or locked i7 build.

>>59684890
>7600k sweetspot for price vs performance
This is objectively wrong and has been objectively wrong for more than the past 2 years.

>n the here and now buying an i5 is extremely stupid with the ryzen 5 chips on the horizon.
It has always been stupid for the past few years. You've just been lied to and believed the lies before this overwhelming evidence with Ryzen 5 came around.

For Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge, it was true that hardly any games used HT. Some games even performed WORSE with it.
Now days, for the past few years, games and applications both almost never perform worse with it, and the vast majority of games get improvements from it, sometimes 50%+ 1% minimum FPS difference just from HT on vs off.

>>59682523
Yeah ikr. Back at the time the gpu was so-so and I ran out of money because I overpaid for coolermaster case+cooling. Young me was cpu dependant and didnt pay enough attention to GPU.

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>>59684928

> You've just been lied to and believed the lies before this overwhelming evidence with Ryzen 5 came around.

"Not I" said the wolf.

>>59684928
>now that Ryzen 5 came around
I meant to write.

Anyway, locked 6700/7700 often go on sale for the cost of a 7600k.

A 7700 is objectively better on average whether it's applications or games than a 5Ghz overclocked 7600k. Overclocking a 7600k to 5Ghz, or 4.8Ghz for that matter, costs way more than a locked 7700 does.

But yeah, it's true that i3s and i5s sort of had a place before 2c/4t pentiums came around.

A 7600k+mobo+cooler costs 4x more than a g4560+mobo and is only about 50% better on average. 75% better in the best case. Not worth it at all. That's the worst performance/$ you can get.

A locked i5-7500 is hardly better. You still pay twice as much, this time just for about 25-35% better performance.

>>59684555
i agree. if you need a workstation, you get an i7. if you know the programs you run don't utilize multiple cores, you just buy an i3 7350k because you'll see no difference anyway from a 7700k

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Should I get a 1080 or a 1080 Ti?

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What's causing my card to overheat so much?

>>59685044
i3-7350k still made no sense except if you pretty much exclusively player 7+ year old games, console emulators, and dwarf fortress.
Even then, still better off getting a 2 core back from when they were only software locked, unlock it, overclock.

But yeah, in most games you hardly see a difference between the 2c/4t 7350K and the 4c/4t 7600k. But... that doesn't make the 7350K bad, that is just another indicator of how awful the 7600k is for what it costs.

>>59685053
Even a 1070 or R9 Fury would be an upgrade.

You could wait for Vega, but if you find a 1080 for around $400 then I'd say go for it.

>>59685064
>91C at 77% load
lmao. Good question. Obviously you checked for dust, right? Reapplying thermal paste and heatsink could help.

Why even bother trying to solve it? 670 was one of the most garbage GPUs for the time it came out. Even an RX470 4GB would be a massive, massive upgrade over that, which you can get for about $100.

>>59685064

6 years of constant use and no new thermal paste? Heatsink/fans clocgged with dust? Case dust vents clogged?

My guess is the first one.

>>59685064
God damn. I still have my 7970 from that time.

Shit like this puts a tear to my eye, how well my 7970 has soldiered on, running better than the day I got it, 6 years later.

>>59684447
>78c

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>>59685098
>>59685087
>>59685086
>mfw I forgot to turn fan speed back to auto

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Okay so here is MOSTLY my current build, but mobo, cpu and ram swapped to what I'm looking to buy, thoughts? I'm >>59684447
I just picked one of the mobo's from the most popular list, I'm pretty unsure what major differences there are.

>>59685645
On second thoughts I may downgrade the cpu/mobo to something more in my current budget.

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Find a flaw

>>59685645
>no ssd
>jewtel
>rx 470

This has to be bait

>>59685645
7700 non-k with a Z270 motherboard
Why? Why not get a cheap B250?

And why no SSD?

>>59685687
>212 Evo
>$245 for an RX480 when there's the superior ROG Strix on sale for $200

Otherwise looks fine, but I'd just straight up get a 1TB SSD instead of the 250gb SSD+ 2TB HDD.

>>59685687

>hyper evo 212

Thats the only flaw - there are coolers that perform wimilar (or better) for less money.

What are some good portable speakers that will last?
I'm making a laptop replacement build, and my monitor speakers are absolute shit. Don't know if I want to go with Bluetooth or not...

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>>59685697
>>59685708
>why no SSD?
Because I en't got no money for all the things at once

I also didn't think a new SSD would solve in-game lag sooner than a new CPU would, but call me retarded if that's not the case because I'd love to buy the much cheaper SSD option if that's what would help my poor old computater.

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I haven't upgraded my PC since 2014. Anything worth upgrading here?

Intel i5 4670k with Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo
Sapphire R9 290 4GB Tri-X
16gb DDR3 1866 ram
600w Corsair PSU

I just upgraded to a 1440p monitor, a Dell P2416D which I'm happy with. The R9 290 struggles a bit at 1440p but I don't see a worthy replacement other than a 1080. Anything worth replacing yet or should I wait for the next gen?

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Hello friends, I have too much money and I want to get rid of it. Can I improve this build while staying < 3000$?

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R8 current build. Gonna start buying the parts this afternoon.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tfFhxY

>Is everything compatible?
>Am I getting a decent GTX 1070 model?
>better/cheaper motherboard with built-in wifi?
>Different PSU or CPU Cooler?
>Any way to cut the price down?

>>59686073
Shit, also, whats a decent size SDD if I just wanna install the OS and a couple games on it?

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How much should i pay tops for a used 980?

>>59686053

yes. By getting actually compatible RAM (that kit wont run faster than 2933) and getting a 1700 instead of 1700x.

Also get a board with a BLCK generator.

>>59686073

What is your usecase? What all do you do on your PC or do you plan to do?

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is i7 7700 compatible with gigabyte b75m-d3h mobo?
also how higher is it power consumption compared to an i5 3470,i can't remember the power of my psu.

>>59686092
You could probably get away with a 250GB.

I just have an 80GB with my OS on it, and everything else on big storage drives.

>>59686127
If you have to worry about the power consumption between 2 cpus, you have way bigger issues...

>>59685825
Okay, I guess.

So you sort of have that good strategy which is to buy one thing that will hopefully last 4-6 years, and another that you'll probably be replacing in 2-3, but you have it in reverse.

You should probably be getting a cheaper CPU, like the 1500X, and a high end GPU like the 1080 (you can find them almost as cheap as $400 if you wait for 1 day sales to pop up) or waiting for Vega.

That way later you can upgrade to a better CPU but your GPU should still play games fine years from now.

The 7700 and 7700k aren't as good as they seem. The 7700k overclocked to 5Ghz can't even maintain 144fps minimum in BF1 multiplayer, a HIGHLY highly optimized game. >>59682504
And the 7700k has no upgrade path. It's the best CPU there'll ever be for that chipset/socket.

On the other hand, a Zen2 or Zen3 6 or 8 core that you can upgrade to later when you have AM4 is going to have waaay more power for games to optimize for for that magical 144fps minimum.

Also consider how the SSD/HDD are the things you're going to have the longest without upgrading. If you want to go from a HDD to an SSD you have to reinstall OS and transfer shit over.

>>59686010
It's pretty much worth upgrading for anyone on 4c/4t.
If you had a 3770 or 4790, I'd have said "no".

Your GPU is also quite good, so you can stick with that and just downscale to 1080p in games that allow it, but I'd upgrade to the 1600X in your position.
I have a 2500k, which isn't that far behind, and that's what I'm upgrading to.

But if you have plenty of money and want to upgrade everything except maybe your PSU, you could get a 1080 if you find one around $400 or Vega that's coming in like 4-7 weeks.

>>59686102

Less than what a new 1060/480 sells for.

>>59686152
i meant to ask if my psu will be enough for i7 7700k if its enough for an i5 3470.

>>59682642
The 7600k is actually what I have atm

>>59686169

The bigger issue is why you are slapping an unlocked chip on a board that does not support overclocking.

>>59686103
Gaming. Image editing. Some rendering. Gonna be working on some minor development projects within the next few years as well, in U4.

>>59686169
Yes. The energy usage difference between modern cpus is negligible at best.

>>59686102
$150 I guess, absolute max. So 117 euro seems okay.

>>59686092
250GB minimum, but a 500GB isn't twice as much and would be enough where you'd really not have to worry about it.

Isn't it usually like $90 for a 250GB, but you can get a really good 500GB SSD like the MX300 for $140, or 1TB for $270?

Like that's not even that expensive considering it's something you'll probably use for 10+ years.

>>59686127
>also how higher is it power consumption compared to an i5 3470
The 7700k uses 110-140. So I'm guessing the 7700 is probably like 95-125.

>is i7 7700 compatible with gigabyte b75m-d3h mobo?
No, it's not compatible with a b75. You can get an ASRock Pro4 B250 for $60. It's worth it, too.

>>59686191
condolences.

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>>59686199
i literally have no idea what im doing,been some time since i built my pc and i haven't followed anything after it.
which mobo would you advise for me to get for it?

>>59686227
also only now noticed that i typed 7700 i meant 7700k.

>>59686227

>i literally have no idea what im doing

Don't pay the premium for an unlocked cpu then, get a non-K chip.

>which mobo would you advise for me to get for it?

Any motherboard that has all the features you need. You don't need to generally care about vrm quality, number of phases etc for a chip that will only ever run at stock.

If you do want to overclock (and get good overclocks at that) prepare your angus because you need a good cooler (remember the 7700k doesn't ship with ANY cooler) and a decent board ontop of the price premium the 7700k commands over its non-K brethren.

>>59686073
>>59686211
Why would you not get the 1600X or 1700, then? Seems best for you. But your build doesn't look bad in general, besides the fucktarded gaaaaaayyyyymer mouse.

>>59686227
There's some good ones around $140. Don't forget the $90-$150 cooler.

I'm betting you have DDR3 RAM and don't realize you need DDR4 as well.

The one the above guy has in his build is good. ASRock Z270 Killer, $140.

>>59686254
i plan on overclocking it in the future can't afford new cooling on top of everything right now.
how much more a good mobo for overclocking will cost me over a mobo for the non k.
if the price difference isn't that serious i think i will just go with the K and overclock it later.

Any motherboard recommendations for a R5 1500x? trying to keep my build around 700 but all good motherboards seem to be expensive af.

>>59686211

Get a Ryzen 7 1700 instead

>>59686328
almost all B350 boards are fine picks and they're like 80~100ish. Really not that much.

>>59686264
The new Ryzen chips? Haven't been too sure about those. Not sure what to think.

a-a-and i just wanted a mouse with lots of buttons on the side and the Razer Naga has always online and spyware so this is what i had left to choose

What is the fastest single core/thread i can get for the money, and i mean FASTEST?

>>59686394

Are you autistic? Or do you have an actual valid reason?

>>59686394
i7-7700k, especially if you overclock

>>59686442
audio production with bad sc software so i need the fastest sc speed available

>>59686452
Also the single core performance will only be marginally better than a Haswell i5 chip. Hence the reason people are complaining about Intel's "incremental updates".

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is 1,300 European dollarydoos a good budget for a high end sort of gaymen PC?

already have a monitor I'm not keen to replace, a 750 ti GPU that I'd be sad to replace and 8gb of DDR3 RAM, just looking to replace pretty much everything else
should I bother replacing RAM with DDR4?

>>59686465

meme pentium

>>59686524
specifically the g4900

>>59686328
ASRock Pro4 is probably what I'm going to get.

I might see if someone ends up doing a motherboard roundup and seeing if there are performance differences between them.

>>59686452
Wrong
>>59686394
i3-7350k

>>59686374
The 1500X is better than the 7600k.
Sure, it won't beat the 7700k, but it's only $190, comes with cooler, motherboards cost $50 less, etc.

That saves you a TON of money so you can spend $400-$600 on a good GPU instead and just upgrade the CPU in 2 years.

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>>59686073
>>59685645
>>59685053
>>59681151
>>59680778
>>59679615
>>59679087
>>59677981
>paying the goyim tax
>in the year of our lord 20 seven teen
W
E
W

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>>59686710
>paying the Jewtel Thermal Tax
L
A
D

>>59686577
>Sure, it won't beat the 7700k
Why not just get an i5 then

>>59686577
>i3-7350k
objectively wrong

>>59686710
fabricated benchmark retard. enjoy falling for dupes

>>59686732
Because an i5 is 25% slower than the 7700k? More so slower than the 1500X is? And the i5 costs way more?

I don't understand your question at all. The answer is so obvious and I don't understand why you couldn't come to the answer yourself.

>>59686743
>What is the fastest single core/thread i can get for the money, and i mean FASTEST?
No, I was objectively correct.
The 7350K is the fastest single threaded performance you can get.

>>59686789
>The 7350K is the fastest single threaded performance you can get.
no it isn't. 7700k is faster

>>59686803
No it's not, you stupid piece of shit.

It's literally the same exact CPU with half the cores disabled and costs half as much.

How fucking stupid are you to not understand this?
My fucking 8 year old niece can figure this out.
You're SUPPOSEDLY an adult since you're on 4chan, but you can't figure out that 4.2=4.2, 5.0=5.0, 170<340.
End your life. You're wasting fucking space on this Earth if you're really so fucking stupid.

>>59686789
The 1800X barely beats an i5 in poorly multithreaded games, which is almost all of them

>>59686822
7700k gets higher Sc scores

>>59686822
>It's literally the same exact CPU with half the cores disabled and costs half as much.
It's not though, it's a completely different processor and has twice as many cores and they're all faster. Just wish the instruction set weren't so different

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>>59686843
Yeah, with day1 BIOS, 2133mhz RAM while the i5 has 3200mhz, and other bullshit going on in the so-called "testing methodology"

Go look at X99 day1 benchmarks. Oh wait, you can't, all the boards fried.

>>59686873
Only when you use a fucktarded methodology like taking the result and dividing it by the number of threads, which isn't how you test single thread performance, you stupid fucking ape.
Kill
your
self

In a proper test that literally only tests on a single core, the results are within MoA between them.

>>59686925
>no 7700k

almost as if it's because it's significantly better than the 7350k in SC

>>59686909
You're actually correct, and I was technically wrong there.

But they still have the exact same single core performance, within MoE, because they are based on the exact same architecture, even tough they come from different wafers.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBf2lvfKkxA

This (as well as the adoredTV vid) does pose some interesting questions in the relationship between Nvidia's drivers and the cpus that feed them. Clearly Nvidia suck balls at DX12, but the bigger question is why is this so apparant on ryzen?

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JyR8sJ
1700X performance/future proof build. Already got GTX 1070 I'll probably sell and upgrade for 1080 ti or something a half year after I get these parts

>>59687013
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/JyR8sJ

Get a 1700 not a 1700X

>>59686980
Because the driver is multithreaded and is managing threads super poorly on Ryzen, I'm almost certain.

If you "disable multithread optimization" in Nvidia drivers, it drastically improves Ryzen performance. (>15% in many cases)
It should drastically improve it further still if it actually optimized correctly on top of that.

Most on /g/ are too stupid too understand how much simple variations can drastically change results so they'll cling to day1 benchmarks with shit methodologies.
They'll defend that you shouldn't have to mess with any settings, but say that results where 7700k or 7600k settings aren't optimal and make it perform worse are invalid.

>>59687013
Looks fine, but honestly why not just get a 500GB SDD? It's worth it imo.

You could also get Windows 10 for ~$20 off Kinguin.

>>59687058

>If you "disable multithread optimization" in Nvidia drivers, it drastically improves Ryzen performance. (>15% in many cases)

Now assuming this is an option exposed to end users (be it through geforce experience or other such software - I haven't had an Nvidia card for a long time) do you have any hard evidence to verify this statement? It sounds plausible but that is no substitute for actual testing.

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>>59678880
bought the i5 7600k right before the announcement of ryzen so i missed that price drop. but its whatever, love my pc

>>59686577
>instead and just upgrade the CPU in 2 years.
Why would you upgrade cpu that often? I still use i5 2400 and I'm not even sure about upgrading.

>>59687058
I don't live in North America/Europe
>>59687028
Want to be able to push the extra fps in games even though it's not linear 'price to performance'
Will probably even get 1600X if it can compete with 1700X

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>>59686764
>IT HAS TO BE FAKE
>ONLY THE ONES THAT SUPPORT ME ARE REAL
Who knew the Jews greatest ally was buyers remorse?

>>59687164
my last build was a i5 2500k, sold it to a friend its still going strong years later. great investment

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tech illiterate here lads

what the FUG is the difference between (for example) the mobos in pic related, besides the sizes and jumble of words like 'z20075b678 gaming xx series 8' etc etc

I understand some support different CPUs and memory and shit but is the price difference mostly about aesthetics, how many LEDs they throw in and whether it has gaymen in the name?

https://es.pcpartpicker.com/list/

is this any good? im trying to build a 500-600€

>>59687087
It's in the Nvidia control panel, yes.

I think the source was Anandtech forums. I can't find it now.

>>59687164
Because we're on the cusp of finally getting a jump in performance after things were stagnant for 6 years.

A 1600X is fine too now, but it's more money in 2 years it'll be on at least 10% higher clocks and some other improvements.

And you wouldn't HAVE to upgrade, but we're hitting the limits of 4c/8t in games now days.

Doesn't make sense to buy a 4c/8t that has no upgrade path, even when it's a stronger one, when Intel is switching to 6c mainstream next year and i3s will be 4 core minimum.

>>59687193
In games, the 1600X is pretty much going to be the sweet spot at the moment. But it doesn't come with a cooler so ends up being more like $100 more than the 1500X.

>>59687261
If you go to "Specifications" you can see the difference. Why is that so complicated? Why do you expect that you could know everything about them from the name and model number alone?

Does "Ford Focus WPOPXD" or whatever say how large it is, how many seats it has, its cargo capacity, its horsepower, anything? No.

>>59687273
>im trying to build a 500-600€
That's €1223.73

>>59687273
>https://es.pcpartpicker.com/list/
use the permalink above your parts, not the URL, friend

>>59687193

>want to be able to push the extra FPS

they're the same fucking silicon bin. 1700 is IDENTICAL to the 1700X. Just up the clockspeed yourself.

>>59687058
Getting the Sandisk X400 for $40 more anon, good tip
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/j43Xpb updated with GPU correctly marked

>>59687361
https://es.pcpartpicker.com/list/BJHjKZ
mybad