/pcbg/ - PC """Building""" General

>>58985315

Which should I get?

Reminder to /waitforzen/

To continue this - >>58989986

I need a harddrive for my laptop. The HDD died after years, and I need a new one.

I've been told the solid state hybrid drives are good, but I have no idea whom to turn to or what brands to trust. Seagate Firecuda SSHD 2TB for 100ish dollars sounds good, but that's the only thing that has promise, but I still get mixed answers on Seagate.

You all are in the know far more then me. What do you recommend?

Also, what about installing the Harddrive myself instead of letting my local computer repair store handle it? I'm pretty decent with computers, though I've been out of the game for years, but I'll need to reinstall windows

My laptop is an older i5 Samsung laptop, with an intel hd 4000 graphics card (Eh, I'll take what I can get), and 12 gigs of ram. I do like to game, but at this point I don't think there's much higher this thing can go without a graphics card, which I lack.(so like said, I'll take what I can get)

Thank you guys for your time, I really don't know who to turn to for all of this that I can trust.

>>58990437
>I've been told hybrid drives are good
You've been told wrong, like completely dead wrong.

>>58990467
Then what do you recommend I get?

>>58990506
You can get a SanDisk SSD480GB for about 120, I think around 115 at best buy? 240GB are around 70-85 right now depending on brand. If you're not using it for mass storage or games, 240 or 480 should be a decent amount of space.

Rebuilding after losing my old 1080 4690k build to unfortunate circumstances.

Will this have any problem maxing out games at a 1440p ultrawide resolution? Should I swap any parts out?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/z2RgKZ

>>58990319

The Acer because it looks better.

>>58990573
I kinda am.
I like games, granted I can't play the most advanced but I don't try (ought to find the benchmarks to try)

I've been recording videos and potentially trying to do the youtubing stuff too. My former drive was a 750 gig seagate, from what he said.

>>58990634
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/z2RgKZ
You're probably going to want more than just an ssd for storage and you can probably get a cheaper ssd with more storage.

>>58990680
Any suggestions?

I'll probably throw in a 1-2tb mech drive.

>>58990666
>>58990573

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/wd-mainstream-1tb-internal-serial-ata-hard-drive-for-desktops-multi/9312067.p?skuId=9312067

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820173012

and this catches my eye too. 500 gig SSD, at 140 dollars.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/wd-blue-500gb-internal-sata-solid-state-drive/5656475.p?skuId=5656475

(found the search from here - http://www.bestbuy.com/site/searchpage.jsp?cp=1&searchType=search&st=western%20digital%20solid%20state%20drive&_dyncharset=UTF-8&id=pcat17071&type=page&sc=Global&nrp=&sp=%2Bcurrentprice%20skuidsaas&qp=&list=n&af=true&iht=y&usc=All%20Categories&ks=960&keys=keys )

what do you think?

Is it justifiable to spend most of your budget on RAM? Specifically, 335€ in 32Gb@3200MHz? I'm getting a Ryzen APU later

Are ram prices fuck-up right now?
Should I wait?

Is there a real reason to get an RX480 8gb over the 4gb?

>>58990921
unless you're building a heavy workstation, no

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Can anyone recommend me a MATX case?
I'm planning on getting MATX system when Ryzen ships and I just can't find a suitable case.
What I am looking for are some simple things
1. Support for 240 AIO
2. Dust filters
3. Removable/Non-obstructive PSU Shroud/Area
4. Small as possible
Bonus points for something that looks simple and non gaymer.

>>58990884
I hope you don't mind the bump. I'm almost ready to ride out and get this done, I need to know if this WD Blue is a good product or a shitty one.

>i5-7600k $200 currently
Should I still wait for Ryzen?

Is linux going to not boot or do something stupid on a Samsung 850 EVO 500GB M.2-2280?

>>58990921
No. If your Intention is gaming, browsing or Office work your maximal capacity should not exceed 16gb. More is Meme and only throws your hard earned money in ((((their))))) hands

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I hope this will fit the thread, but if not - just say.

Is there anything I can do to help my RX480 cool down? I remember that it supposed to keep under 78C during maximum load on tests, but lately I can reach even 82C during load and not something insanely demanding.

But maybe its because I use Win 10 Edu? I noticed that it does increase temperature when I alt-tab, for whatever reason.

I use 16.12 drivers, since that 17.2 is marked as "optional" and I heard it can cause problems.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XDnGtJ

Here is my first build. What does everyone think, especially about the keyboard. Want to know how bad I fucked up with it.

>>58992333
Is it a reference model?
>I remember that it supposed to keep under 78C during maximum load on tests
The thing is that your room ambient temperature affects those temperatures and that could be one reason for the difference.

>>58992333
Is this the MSI one by any Chance?
Maybe use some Fans and optimize your airflow

>>58992373
>>58992374

Its Sapphire "Nitro" model, the one with 1342 Mhz core frequency by default.

My room temperature is around 23C most of the time.

>Maybe use some Fans and optimize your airflow

I dont really know how could I optimize that. Sure, front and back fan create some flow inside, but GPU is located under that back fan and GPU fans faces down.

Case is Corsair 200R, by the way.

I need a silent mid-atx case. silence is important.

currently looking to get a define S if I see one on sale but I'd like some other models to look at.

any suggestions?

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Forgot to add that when not under real load, fans seems to turn off. This makes the card keep 50C when not in use for most of the time.

>>58992333
I have the 4 GB Nitro OC version, I never get higher than 75 C. Something is definitely up with your airflow.

>>58992505
Undervolt it 50-100 mV
Maybe that does the Trick.

>>58992741
He should check if something is obscuring his airflow first before meddling with voltages

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>>58992556
50 C is what I get too anon

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>>58992750
>>58992721

Cables maybe? But it should draw air from the down part anyway.

For some reason, when I alt-tabbed now (I was playing some video game), temperature rose a bit, but fans are still at 47%, according to GPU-Z

>>58992750
He definetly should.
But if nothing helps, he can try to Undervolt.
The 480 is powerful enough to not be crippled if 50mV are missing

>>58992891
Maybe try adding a fan at the bottom.
Your GPU appears to have absolutely no airflow going towards it and propably recirculates some of the hot air constantly.

Is this a good place to ask about headphones? I didn't see a thread for audiophiles or whatnot. Want to know good brands for headphones with mic. Preferably with Bass impact. Budget is $150 at most.

If i'm getting an entire new setup, does buying a new chair count in the list?

>>58992986
>not standing up while playing vidya

noone got money for chairs here son if you can buy a 1070

>>58993009
but i am
i have room for a chair though, mine is like sitting on a rock its so old

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in this case: 95W CPU with a Cryorig C7 and a custom vented top lid, good idea? It should be fine, right?

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>>58992968
/hpg/
Seriously lurk more, before starting questions like that please.

>>58992891
>Cables maybe? But it should draw air from the down part anyway.

You see what's under the 480? You need more space than that for air to move around. Add an extra fan, should cost you like 10 bucks.

>For some reason, when I alt-tabbed now (I was playing some video game), temperature rose a bit, but fans are still at 47%, according to GPU-Z

Alttabbing is not the same as making the gpu stop rendering the game.

>>58992922

Could be, but also this increase in temperature when I alt-tabbed worries me a bit.

Could Win 10 be part of the problem? I mean, could it have some problems with drivers, especially those controling fan speed?

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>>58992903
What

How much of a shill am i? My first build, just completed last week. Wiring is ass so no pics unless requested

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rwbCqk

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These threads should be put on hold until Zen comes out, since nothing is worth building as it stands.

>>58991474
I'm in the same boat nigga, waiting for Ryzen is obviously the most logical solution, but I'm impatient asf.

>>58992542
That sound deadening wall someone suggested a week ago.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bsTzGf r8 it

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Rate my build please

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/73xbGf

>>58993927
Is it for light gaming or does it have other purposes it's being built for cause you might not even need the GPU

>>58993970
no just something i made when i was bored

>>58993927
>>58994002
it doesn't really make any sense

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Best case for the money still.
Prove me wrong

>>58993932
>2 hdds
Why. I have just increased your budget and decreased the space taken up. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kWgQM8

>>58994041
Not everyone knows every single name of every single case like you anon. And no, the Phanteks Enthoo Evolv TG is better

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>>58994054
Nzxt S340
>$69.99

Phanteks Enthoo Evolv TG
>$169.99
Offers no additional functionality and arguably worse aesthetic m8.

>>58994044
Well I already own those actually in fact the only things I don't already have are the GPU and the SSD

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>>58991323
>240 AIO
>Small
no.
>>58994092
Your gay Ikea case breaks its own aesthetic.

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>>58994156
>buyers remorse

>hurdur logical increments
>budget increases from very low to low therefore BUY MORE EXPENSIVE CASE
top kek what a shit website
obviously you should prioritize CPU, GPU, and get a nicer case only when there's an appreciable difference.

Protip: There almost never is
fucking stupid children

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>>58994041
TWENTYFIVEDOLLARS after rebate

>>58994286
link

>>58994286
For that price I'd be hard pressed to find a competitor

>>58994235
I get buyers remorse when I get something that looks and feels cheap.

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>>58994382

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>>58994335
The rebate was $25 when I bought mine
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119274&FM=1

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>>58994382
>I got buyer's remorse when I bought something without researching the quality first and it turned out to be bad
who could have predicted this startling conclusion

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>>58994446
You can do a lot with it for being matx, a front and bottom dust filter, no nonsense and not-shitty build quality

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>>58994054
He fell for the Enthoo meme

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I've got a usable build at the moment, but I've also had
>Asrock Z79 Extreme6
>Intel i7 4790k
sitting around in boxes for ages. I would have put them in, but I need to get a new drive to keep stuff on while I reformat.
Should I get another drive like the current one (not exactly the same, but another HDD) and keep my current as a backup, or just get an SSD for a two-drive system and find a friend's laptop or something to use while building?

Also while I'm here, any GPU recs?

>>58994477
Not sure if you noticed, but the mid tower version is available for the same price and rebate atm

So how much longer should I wait for these zen benchmarks? I heard there is going to be pins on these processors

>>58990270
could you post the links in a phone-friendly way?

>>58994495
What does reformatting have to do with anything? Just put the drive in and boot, if you have windows it find the new drivers

>>58994587
It should find*

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>>58990270
>Note: Win7 and 8.1 cannot be installed on a 200 series chipset
>IMPLYING IMPLICATIONS
How much do you get paid for this

>>58993064
>>58992922

So, add fan at bottom, got it, thanks.

Any idea how to protect it from pumping in too much dust from the floor?

>>58995096
Pantiehose over fan

Started up my computer this evening and it won't send signal to my monitor, is my graphics card fucked?

>>58995194
Try pushing the GPU in harder

>>58995240
It's been built and operating for 5 years, I'm probably in the wrong thread

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/oznerol10/saved/gdTP6h
Why is my buils such a meme? I was told to embrace the meme.
Also one final review from /g/ until Ryzen hits and prices fall.
AMD cucks need not responderino

>>58995257
It may be fucked then. Your best bet is to try out a different GPU, preferably same make.

>>58995276
>buying a windows 10 key
>buying an OEM OS key
why

>>58995276
Is the thermal compound for the NH-D15 gook? Or ok at least?
>>58995289
Botnet isnt a problem because i dont have anything to hide

>>58995312
>thinking botnet is the only thing wrong with windows 10
someone post the webm of that awful """update""" that'll be out in a few months

What's the best value 1TB SSD? Already have an 850 PRO for my system drive.

I was thinking the Sandisk Ultra II.

Was gonna upgrade from my 2500k but new chipset/ram/cpu would run me up at least 700 AUS.

God fuck why i can't i pay for things with kangaroos this is bullshit.

>>58995279
It's getting power the fans are spinning, but no signal, even with a different monitor

>>58995395
I had a problem like that. Check the mobo. I ended having to buy a whole new mobo because somehow a pin got bent.

Also just take everything out(PSU cords) and putting them back in. IDK what was wrong but that fixed my other computer when it got a no signal.

>>58995395
Like I said, may be fucked, but make sure it's not your mobo or something before buying a new one.

alright so i'm buying new ram for ryzen but I haven't seen any mobo specs about ram speeds so would 2400 be fine

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>>58995423
>>58995422
I took a look inside and it has this light on, text next to it says VGA_LED

1080 ti or AMD Vega?

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I should be good till they get Ryze and Vega all hammered out in like 2-3 years right?

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I have an i5 4670, should I upgrade to an i7-6700k or an i7-7700k, everything I've seen suggest the two are extremely similar

>>58995391
iktf, in nz and browsing around for CPU upgrades. Man oh man, you total up cooler + ram + cpu + mobo and it just adds way the fuck up so quickly.

>>58995602
Just get kabylake.

>>58995602
>I have an i5 4670
Do you really feel like you need an update right now? Imho your CPU isn't that bad.
If you really do, then wait for Ryzen. Official release date is 02.03. which is less than two weeks.

See >>58996199

~$650 gaming pc. r8 pl0x.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CH6rPs

>>58997133
Get a 1060. A 1050TI is okay if that's your absolute budget, but you'll gain a lot of performance for a small amount of money by going to a 1060.

>>58997133
Picture a hand in an L-shape with the thumb at the bottom and the fingers in line to form a right angle. Curve the thumb up at the joint towards the index finger and the index finger towards the thumb, until the tips connect. In doing so, picture the remaining three fingers at the back curving down slightly due to the pull of the index finger, forming a slight arch.

This would be my first built pc. I want to run current games on high settings. My budget can go up to 2k. Would playing on Wifi for the next few months until I move into my new place be a huge issue?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/2WvdtJ

>>58995602
4670 to 7700k is hardly an upgrade.

R Y Z E N

>>58997344
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/tnVmRG

>>58997272
I am actually already over my budget.I had planned to only spend $575, but I like this build enough to wait another paycheck.

>>58997344
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/
Improved your build a bit. Improved on this guy's build >>58997394
If you dont want a water cooled 1080 you can always choose a different one

>>58997435
Thanks for the help but you messed up the link I think...

>>58990270
what is this, a waifu for ants?

Just wanted to see if there were any notable flaws in this

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4zxRM8

I know I'm skimping on the mobo and maybe the processor. I'm mocking up a build for a friend and I know for a fact that he has no interest in overclocking or swapping out parts himself in the future.

>>58997133
>>58997400
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CH6rPs
The equivalent to the i5-7500 will only be $129 with Ryzen, and the motherboard probably $15 less as well. That's $95 saved right there

You can also get an RX480 for $180 https://jet.com/product/MSI-RX-480-ARMOR-8G-OC-MSI-ARMOR-RX-480-ARMOR-8G-OC-Radeon-RX-480-Graphic-Card-1/b9e28f96aa9f469fbf27c4f3d65d5ab9

So that's $75 saved for a better PC if you can wait 2 weeks.

Or spend the same $200 on a cpu and get the 1400X that's closer in performance to the i7-7700k.

Why the fuck are you guys building PCs now when Ryzen, RX5xx, 1080Ti, and more is coming out between 2 weeks and 2 months from now?
Even if you're not buying that stuff, it'll create sales that'll probably make your build like 20% cheaper even if you stick with the same stuff.

If you guys are really on such tight budgets, building a PC now is stupid.

>>58997394
For that budget you could get an 80 Plus Titanium 850W or so PSU.

3550 i5 here.
Six year cpu is still working flawless. Less than 20% improvement in nowadays i5...
Everyday more convinced by of not upgrading.

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Would 2560x1080 be closer to 1440p for comparison sake when looking at GPU benchmarks?

>>58997756
Not equatable.
Desktop GPUs do wider, less tall rendering better than they render something more square even when both are the same pixels.
It's part of optimizations for triple monitor setups.

In some games, 1920x1200 is as bad of a hit as 2560x1080 compared to 1920x1080.

>>58997468
Fuck me. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fLNxkT

>>58997933
>rubber bracelets
>graphic t-shirt
>haircut

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how is the corsair H60 for overcloking an i5?

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>>58998099
Are we going to ignore the light bulb ?

>>58998222
The nu-mullet is more concerning.

>>58998136
its water cooling so probably great
god you people are dumb

>>58997481

1. cheap motherboards allow a lot of GPU sag, so look into a GPU bracket
2. make sure that RAM is compatible with that motherboard
3. look into ITX motherboads and ITX cases

>>58998289
>cheap motherboards allow a lot of GPU sag
I think that's dependent on the GPU itself.

>>58998289
EATX or get left behind

simple
as
fact

>>58998319

idk, i've got a $200+ mobo and there is no sag at all

check your mobo privilege

>>58997853
Remove that meme steampunk wind turbine cooler this instant.

>>58998426

shut the fuck up, that's the best heatsink cooler you can buy

'steampunk wind turbine' is just a bunch of fucking shit. it seems perfectly suitable for a 7700k

>>58998448
Sorry anon, a spade has been called a spade. Might as well spray paint your entire rig black and copper and superglue useless gizmos all over it.

>>58998481

>thank you for the useful comment
>your super useful comment has been thrown in the trashbin of useful comments
>your phrase 'a spade has been called a spade' has been added to the list of 'bullshit that anyone on 4chan can say but it isn't true'
>we appreciate your input

noctua heatsinks are quality.

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With a new build in March in mind, I've seeing a lot of hybrid coolers lately.
However isn't their cooling circle way to small to legitimate it against a full water cooled system? Or is it indeed a god given machine for the masses?

>Will probably go with a noctua anyways

>>58998501
You are trying to rationalize your purchase. I understand. I, on the other hand, have no interest in the matter, and therefore am able to assess this objectively.

You bought a steampunk cooler.

>>58998520

air/hybrid/aio, it all depends on your needs and desires. no one cooler will objectively be the best. i've got a $30 212 evo that keeps my 6700k at under 20*c, so why would i ever need liquid?

but then you see itx builds with no airflow that rely on liquid for any cooling, and that's just how the case is designed.

>>58998554

no motherfucker, i own a 212 evo. you are just trying to downplay a good heatsink without offering 0 (zero) reasoning.

>>58998557
>under 20*c
What's it like in Siberia?

>>58998563
"Good" coolers are a dime a dozen, but most don't look like a kitschy, retro-future sci-fi toy.

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>>58998568
Extremely comfy.

>>58998607
Factually, there is nothing wrong with this weather unless you forget a coat.

>>58998604

then what do you think of the dark rock pro 3?

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>>58998557
>itx build
So what's the point on an atx/mini at then?

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>>58998639
He's baiting.

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>>58998655
Gimmicks and sales. Because gaymers think water cooling automatically equals better when a heatpipe-based cooler could do the same thing with less points of failure and bulk. Water cooling is kind of silly on ITX builds since there's no room for that shit and you still need airflow.

>>58998655

if you liquid cool in an ATX then you give your GPU more room to breathe

>>58998692
Wrong.

On small/low profile builds a closed loop cooling system is superior because it spreads the heat out onto a larger cooling area than a low profile block and fan.

It's only for very large CPU blocks and fans (that can naturally only fit in large cases) that performance can be similar.

>>58998638
>there is nothing wrong with this weather unless you forget a coat
In the weather this cold, blinking could lead to your eyelids stick in place. Starting a car is a real challenge, not just because of the engine refusing to start but because of the tires becoming too brittle after several hours. Worst of all, it's far below vodka freezing point.

source: I've been in Verkhoyansk when I was a grad student (I'm a weather scientist), i've seen the temperatures as low as -55 C which is extremely cold even for that place.

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>>58998729
OP was asking about hybrid coolers.

>>58998743
>he forgot his coat

Question, Mr. Meteorologist: why can't you forecast accurately more than an hour in advance?

>>58998754
Oh then disregard that I suck cocks

>>58998758
Too many variables, the models are too complex. This is especially true for rain forecasting which is is extremely hard for most places, and for the snowfall which is hard for some places. Everything else is a bit more reliable but still tough.

>>58998797
Seems more storytelling than science.

>>58990319

get a refurbished monitor

paying full price for new monitors is a waste of money

I don't remember the last time I bought a brand new one. They usually last me a decade or more.

>>58995125

Really? Wouldnt that block flow too much?

The problem would be buying one, tho, Im a guy after all...

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>>58999582
So what?
Nobody cares, anon.

Do I need a bios update for the G4560 on my z170 board?
won't work somehow

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https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/cvZXd6

Getting the CPU/GPU half price tomorrow, and was just wondering about the rest of the setup. Won't be overclocking the CPU at all, just the GPU a little. Chose the HSF because of aesthetics, and the fact it's a good size.

I have a question about what wattage psu I should get. Here are the components I'm planning on using:
MSI Radeon RX 480 Gaming 4GB (500w 'recommened')
MSI 7 A67 001R Intel B250
Core I5-6400 CPU
Corsair Vengeance 8 GB DDR4 2400
I wanna make a portable small form factor pc so I wanted to use the fractial design node 202 as a case. My question is if I should get the 450w psu (which is a lot cheaper compared to other sfx psu's) or I should go for like a 500w psu. The gpu has a recommened wattage of 500w but I think 450 might be enough? I'm only planning on adding a low profile cpu cooler and 1 extra fan when I get some more money.

Looks good.

>>59000909
Add all max. wattages and calculate
For every ram stick take 15
You should not exceed 80% of your psu max power

>>59001192
What about ssd's , hdd's and fans do I need to calculate them aswell?

>>58994286
that GPU is gonna be circulating some hot ass air

>>59001279
There is a Tool for that, Google it

Alright so I'm looking to be building a gaming PC soon ( https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KfJwHN) for around $1000 dollars. Anything I could improve on and stay in the same price range?

>>59001384

get a B series board

>>58993198
Let's see those pics anon

>>59001384
Change i5 for a g4560 and get a mobo that Supports kabylake.
Should be slightly less Power but $150 cheaper.
Might have to change to ddr4 then

>>58998289
Ram specs say it's "optomized" for x99 and 100 series chipset. Does that mean it wouldn'twork on a 200 series mobo or just not be as efficient? Other then that the motherboard states it supports the RAM clock speed.

how do I choose case these days? are they all the same? is silent case a housefire meme?

Is there a reason I can not find any CMZ8GX3M2A1866C9 for sale in EU? I need more ram, what do I do?

>>59000522
>Do I need a bios update for the G4560 on my z170 board?
Yes, it's a Kaby Lake CPU but why do you have a Z170 anyways?

>>59002672

Not really "the same", they might look similar but usually have small details that make a difference. For example, Corsair 200R I use right now is one of better "cheap" (in my country - not really that cheap but better quality than popular Zalman models) cases but front is made out of plastic instead of metal and drive slot sometimes enter vibrations.

Just try to not blow too much in a case. I mean, good airflow or construction is nice but super expensive ones arent usually that much better.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/xkzXd6
r8

>>59002963
>Skylake CPU
>Kaby Lake mobo
>1060 3G
For what fucking purpose.

>>59002980
place holders

>>59003005
>asking to rate place holders

>>59003054
dam i fucked up

Asus Z97-AR
i7-4790K
GTX 970
8.0GB ram

How do I git gud?

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I'm in a tough spot. I have a 6600k on a b150 board, hyper 212, gtx 1060 6gb thats unacceptably loud, shit case from 2011 thats falling apart with no bay or pci-e slot covers and only 1 working fan.

I could do picture related and have a fucking awesome insane looking computer. This includes selling the 1060 and getting the 1070, don't worry about that though. I need the z270 board so I can OC.

What kills me is that I can probably just sell my 1060, buy a 1080, and have way more fps but the computer will continue to look like shit until the end of time.

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>>59003198
What it looks like right now for ref

>>59003198
Link to white cables plz

>>59003206
>everything is upside down

There's your problem...

>>59003210
https://www.amazon.com/Phanteks-PCI-E-Extension-Length-PH-CB-CMBO-WT/dp/B01G7VOYYS/ref=sr_1_fkmr1_1?srs=9273886011&ie=UTF8&qid=1487439231&sr=8-1-fkmr1&keywords=phanteks+psu+extensions

I helped you so lemme get an opinion anon
>>59003224
exif data from phone had orientation in it and 4chan wiped it

>>59003228
Thanks. Added.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6cWJqk

>>59003542
>1500 USD
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/r3V2Z8
I saved you enough money to SLI 1070s

>>58998238
You know water cooling isn't necessarily better than air, right?

In fact, there's a number of quieter air coolers on the market that are significantly better cooling than 90% of the AIOs.

>there are people in this thread spending $200 for a locked 4c/4t jew CPU instead of waiting for Ryzen

>>59003666
No thank you.

>>59003198
>gtx 1060 6gb thats unacceptably loud

I love how none of you chuckleheads realize you can replace a GPU's heatsink and fan with one that's completely silent for only a few dollars, so instead you rush out to buy some water cooling shit that you THINK is quiet, but is still loud as fuck.

>>59003883
I realize it, I just want something better

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>>59003883
in fact here look i even did this for a while but ended up putting stock back on because pascal doesnt go past 2150 no matter what you do

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>>59003972

>>58995499
Check your mobo maunal/google to see what that light means.

Also, shut down your pc, remove your gpu and plug your video cable into your mobo and boot it up and see if the pc functions normally. If so, definitely a dead gpu.

>>59003983
Then wait for the VEGA or 1080Ti coming out in like 2 months.
The upcoming high end card from AMD, which will probably be $450-$600, will run Doom maxed out at a 4K resolution, 60FPS minimum. So basically more than 50% more powerful than the 1080. And I wouldn't be surprised if the 1080Ti is significant improvement over the 1080 as well.

1080 is the worst overpriced shit ever released in a long time.

It's pretty good performance/watt but the performance/$ is godshit.
220% more expensive over a RX480 for like 75%-100% more performance.

>>59003997
lmao what is this

>>59004090
a silent 1060 pined at 2150

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best part i've gotten so far

>>59004090
The Vega flagship probably won't be much better than the 1080. Rumor has it that the Nvidia xx80Ti won't happen until the Pascal refresh.

>>59003198
Change mobo and case

>>59003107
Keep it the way it is unless you're at 1440p

>>59002672
Get a minimum of 5.25" drive bays, SSD mounts. Consider microATX or miniITX

>>59001384
B150 mobo

>>59000909
Get i5 6500

>>59000563
Overpowered for 1080p

>>59004534
I thought rumors were that the 1080Ti is already in production and it's coming March?

The Vega flagship card might not be much better than the 1080 in SOME games, but it will destroy it in Vulkan and most DX12 while also putting out even less power.

The 1080 is 8.9TFLOPS, the Vega flagship card is 12.5TFLOPS. There are big architecture differences, but 12.5TFLOPS and 8GB of HBM is some massive muscle

>>59004534
>Overpowered for 1080p

now I'm excited

>>59000563
>Spending $350 for only 4 cores

>>59004715

>au

>>59001342
Why? There's an intake on the lower half that slips in right to the GPU intake and there's a side panel vent as well
>>59003997
>I have no fucking idea how to overclock hurrrr why can't watercooling give me 13GHz mom?!?!?

>>59004715

getting an i7 for the price of an i5 in Australia. That's pretty good.

>inb4 wait for AMD

>>58991474
Definitely.

Ryzen is why they're trying to get rid of i5 while they still can ;)

i5 will have to go much cheaper than that in the new ryzen reality.

>>59004097
Nice compensation but you're STILL retarded for buying a 1060 and you're still retarded expecting more than the normal overclocking limits that there is really no competition for in pascal
You're the same guy that makes 30 threads when your 980 can't hit 2GHz right? The same kind of guy that buys a 1060 after seeing the galax commercial right?
Enjoy your daily struggle to get performance kek

>>59004728
>>59004749
I agree it's a good price for Au, but it looks like you could get a 1500 or 1600X for the same price or less.

So far the leaked prices in other markets doesn't look like AMD is adding any additional markup, just taxes and that's it.

>>59004833

cbf'd waiting for ryzen - I'm buying all the parts in a matter of hours

>>59004864
>can't wait 2 weeks

to be a kid again

>>59004905
>2 weeks

It'll be longer than that in Aus. Always takes them longer to even get the appropriate mobos out. Why the fuck would I wait when I'm getting a powerful enough CPU for a decent price now.

>kid

no need to get mad, shill

Best monitor specs for a non-gaming productivity (i.e., media consumption/internetting) build?

Size (+single vs. dual)
Resolution
Refresh rate

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824116068
Can my old shit monitor that hasnt been used in over 2 years run 1080p

>>59004833
>but it looks like you could get a 1500 or 1600X for the same price or less

Won't be the case in Aus.

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>>59004905

>waiting for Another Massive Disappointment

>>59004961
Considering it's $229 and $259 respectively for them, yeah it probably won't be more than $350 dollarydoos for one of them or either of them.

>>59000563

build looks fine, you did well not paying full price for the i7
don't listen to the amd shill - even their good cpus are trash in the long run

>>59004715
>>59004833
>>59004905

>this asshurt AMD shill

>>59005040

This. An Intel chip will outlast an AMD chip. Fuck waiting for Ryzen, enjoy your 1070 and wait for Vega.

>>59004948
>productivity
>media consumption and browsing
Those are two completely different things with completely different best monitors

>>59005001

that's cool - I'll build a ryzen/vega PC later in the year for fun just to see how they stack up

>>59005040
They haven't had a good CPU for a very long time though, that's the thing.
If it is comparable to Intels high end desktop core series it'll last for a very long time, and this is a completely new concept for AMD
Of course if you want a computer buy an Intel right now. if you're counting on an overhyped, company-saving CPU like zen to be affordable on release day you're fucking retarded

>>59004953
Shameful bump

>>59005093
That's the joke. Good eye to spot it.

>>59005124
But really 16:9 for consuming media only
Ultrawide for multitasking productivity and media
Portrait style for single-task productivity and browsing

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>>59004948
Efficient

>>59003972
best OS

>>59005120
are you retarded? read the fucking specs.

>>59004744
I almost assuredly know more about pascal overclocking than you do.
>>59004772
1060 is strictly superior to the 480 in my game. But, yes, there isn't a single pascal card that can get past around 2150 with out volt moding which nvidia has locked the fuck down. Stay mad

>>59005261
But you're wrong
You were wrong then and you're wrong now
My 1070 is at an easy 2180mhz with no crashing on benchmarks
>B-B-But its almost 2150!!!!
You also said it was a "hard limit" of 2100mhz, that "no pascal card will even go 1mhz beyond that"
Then once you got promptly btfo you changed your claim
And people are getting 2.2GHz regularly with 1080's don't be mad becaus the galax card shattered everything you knew about gpus

>>59005295
The fact is that you're moving the goal posts and you know it. You know the card could go past that if it werent locked down.

>>59005261
Last time you shitposter you didn't know anything about overclocking
You were literally pissed at nvidia that taping a CPU cooler to your GPU didn't let you run 3Ghz
That's literally why you made your first thread dude, I remmeber that
I was the guy with the 1080, you know, a completely different GPU than the 1060, which you also didn't even know when you made your thread

>>59005319
No you idiot, that's what you believe and it's fucking retarded
I told you last time, stick it in the freezer and overclock to infinity right? That's LITERALLY what you were expecting, you told me yourself that "uhhhh yeah, kinda?"

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>>59005322
I remember
I completely blame galax for this for advertising their results to non-overclockers

>>59004715

>muh cores

Fucking neck yourself.

>>59005247
This shit is so old it doesnt even say

>>59005118
>if you're counting on an overhyped, company-saving CPU like zen to be affordable on release day you're fucking retarded

especially in fucking Australia

honestly the guy got a good deal getting an i7 $10 cheaper than an i5

>>59005366
Hows high school anon?

>>59005416

please elaborate

>>59005319
I think the pascal voltage limit is locked down actually
But either way, cards just aren't stable at whatever overclock just because they're cold. You try to get a 980 clocked to ANY frequency of these pascal cards, even stock frequencies, and you won't be able to do it. Different GPU chips performa differently, heat isn't the only thing separating you and a CPU operating faster than light

>>59005398
>http://www.viewsonic.com.au/products/archive/VX1935wm.php
>up to 1440x900

durr hurr durr durr

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>people believing AMD's paid benchmarks

So I've been modifying based on suggestions. I'm really only interested in playing games on high settings and shitposting really. Could this rig play like all games on high settings? I'm not worried about spending more money if it would actually help

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KpQwHN

>>59005105
>I'll build a ryzen/vega PC later in the year

I hope Vega delivers..

>>59005475
yeah but i'd suggest getting an i7 if you want it to last longer and have less stutter (prevent FPS from dipping as much) in CPU heavy games.

and maybe get a bit better wifi card (protip: wifi is shit for games).

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finished my build last week. thoughts? did I fuck up?

>take apart entire pc and rebuild it for cleaning
>redo thermal paste
>fall for the cable management meme and spend hours getting it right
my gpu dropped 9 degrees
whoopee

>>59005485

. Even if AMD have the hardware, they don't have the drivers. Most modern games don't even work properly on AMD cards thanks to this, and it's not a situation that can be resolved in a matter of months (especially when it's been a problem for a decade without any progress).

Nvidia is simply better. As an informed consumer, that's why I buy their products.

>>59005528
yeah, you bought last gen CPU 3 weeks away from Ryzen launch.

>>59005529
Cable management does not affect temps other than in extreme specific circumstances which I guarantee do not apply to you

>>59005563
>>59005545
this. most likely the temp drop came from removed dust glogging heatsinks

>>59005528
What motherboard?
don't listen to the hype shill, no sane person should buy a CPU with that much hype on release
If you get a Z170 board you can overclock it for the best CPU price/performance of skylake

>>59005523
>>59005475
also get the Define C instead of S, it's slightly improved.

>>59005563
>Cable management does not affect temps other than in extreme specific circumstances
wot, of course i know that. i just included it in my story, since i spent a lot of time on it
it feels better to have it all clean, but i don't know why i always expect there to be a big difference

>>59005342
My expectations are completely irrelevant. What is relevant is that they're artificially held back, which is why every single pascal card gets like exactly a 10% OC. Only 1080s that can use the ASUS T4 bios and now the evga classified 1080 can adjust the voltage with out a mod. If your pascal isn't one of those get the liquid metal and solder out.
>>59005322
I'm glad you remember. I'm not pissed though, it's just accepted on all of the overclocking forums that ~2150 is the wall on air and water.
>>59005295
I swear as soon as someone mentions something that the nvidia marketing team might not like in this thread the shills/buyers remorse fags flock. It's okay the people that buy nvidia don't research or will buy it regardless of them being sold with a clock 10% lower than it should be to give the illusion of being able to OC.

Have a bad history with HDDs because I'm an idiot. As far as 2tb HDDs go, are there any notable differences between the Seagate Ironwolf and WD Red?

>>59005475
First, i suggest you wait for Zen, it's no more than two weeks from now.
Your build is objectively fine, but here are some improvements imo: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/W9FCqk
With your budget you should really get an i7 if you already get a 1080, also 1080Ti will come soon, so idk if that matters to you.
850W was overkill, hence 650W PSU. In case you feel like you need more, get the G3 750W.

>Could this rig play like all games on high settings?
Yes and i suggest you get a 1440p144Hz monitor if you don't already have one, otherwise the GTX 1080 is wasted money.

>wifi
Please don't be this retard who plays on wifi and fucks his team by randomly disconnecting from the server because shitty unstable wifi.

"NO!!! MY NVIDIA CARD IS PERFECT IN EVERY WAY!! ITS THE MOST ADVANCED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

>>59005605
Every card can adjust voltage are you fucking dense

>>59005605
So you would rather have them 50% gimped so you can UNLEASH THE HIDDEN POWER?

>>59005607
look up what the suffix name means (ironwolf/red).

>>59005545
not where I live desu :-[

>>59005528
You bought a $180 4c/4t locked 2.7 GHz CPU when you could have gotten the $175 4c/8t Ryzen that will probably clock over 4Ghz easy.

So yeah, huge fuck up.

>>59005605
We've known since before Pascal even that Pascal wouldn't be great at overclocking. That's kinda the whole point about nvidia changing and advertising their Pascal turbo boost mechanic. Yeah you can't squeeze much more out of any pascal, but that's because they're very good at boosting to upper limits anyways. I agree that this is more just architecture based though, the 980s werent gimped because they couldn't even hit 1.6GHz were they? I mean would you praise a 1.3GHz card that can overclock to 1.5GHz? When the next generation starts at 1.7GHz and goes to 2.1GHz?
I don't know what you're asking for, that's the best that's out there in terms of clock speed, but I'm sure after so much research you understand why GPU clocks aren't nearly as important when you're controlling the entire die design, of a GPU you know

>>59005645
Nope I just want a voltage slider

>>59005695
The 6400s overclock very well, my friend got one at 4.4GHz from pcbg recommendation for a budget build and it's fantastic, almost as good as my 6600k at 4.8GHz, but I expect that since CPUs really don't offer much differences in performance other than limits anyways

>>59005535
AMD Drivers stopped being bad within like 3 years after they acquired ATI.

They are actually great now, except for the rare case they didn't QA a release well enough and having to then get the hotfix a few days later is annoying.

>>59005619
Thanks bro. Yeah it's unfortunate the gateway is in my roommates room so I'd have to use Wifi but I'll be getting my own place in a month or 2. I have no issues on my ps4 but I don't know how that translates to pc. I definitely plan on getting a monitor as well.

>>59005713
It's still only 4 threads in 2017, anon.

And I bet you the i5-6400 gets price dropped to like $140 2 weeks from now, too.

>>59005703
That's been on a brand by brand basis since the 700-series

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>>59005719
this

>>59005652
Thanks m8

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>>59005697
Maxwell was fine because it wasn't nearly as locked down as Pascal. Tons of bios' you could flash so you could set the voltage and power limit to whatever you wanted and take the chip as far as your cooling could handle. That's why people are still doing ln2 OC on the 980ti.
If we had a "bios editor" for pascal it would be different but outside of a 1060 that was never released to the public, a crazy overpriced evga classified 1080, and a ASUS BIOS for SOME 1080s that goes to 1.2 you need to do pic related to control the card.
>>59005740
The ONLY pascal card that lets you control voltage is the classified 1080 and that happened only very recently.
All these suped up pascal cards advertised with 100000 phase VRM and 5000 lb coolers are a scam, a 4 phase vrm and a couple ounces of metal can OC pascal to it's limit

>>59005782
My $370 gigabyte does
But then again, it's not a 1060 so it's not relevant to you

>>59005782
Pascal is being taken as far as the chip can handle
You honestly believe that anything under 100° can and should be running at 5GHz don't you? I thought that guy was just memeing

>>59005782
Many bios'es hide the voltage adjustment through different tabs and power limits
But I'm sure as "an experienced pascal overclocker" you already knew about this right?

>>59005782
>Maxwell was fine
>Not a SINGLE maxwell card could go a SINGLE MHz over 1600 even with a $200 corsair AIO taped to it!
>Fucking nvidia gimping my cards!

>>59005619
>you get a 1440p144Hz monitor if you don't already have one, otherwise the GTX 1080 is wasted money
Not him, and I'm sorry this is probably such a stupid question, but I have a GTX 1070 and a 1080p monitor. Was that a huge waste?

>>59005782
>Maxwell on air or water : Under 1600mhz
>Maxwell on LN2: Barely 2000mhz
>Pascal on air or water: Under 2200mhz
>Pascal on LN2: Barely 3000mhz
Point out what you see wrong with this

>>59005791
This has absolutely nothing to do with me. The cheapest of every model pasacal card can hit 2150 NP because its an artificial limitation, except the 1050s those are capped at 1911.
>>59005811
No it's not, like 2250 is where they would be if we had voltage control.
>>59005853
Yes they can. Go browse HWBot

>>59005899
>2250 if we had voltage control, which several cards do
Source?

>>59005887
>Was that a huge waste?
Depends on the games you play and your FPS target but generaly i'd say no. 1070 will kind of future proof you for a while.

>>59005782
Can you not adjust your core mv in your GPU bios?
Works on my gigabyte 1070

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>>58990270
is there any point to splurging and buying an i7 or is the i5 decent enough?

i want to build a desktop for audio production (ableton live, fl studio, etc) and a bit of gaming (project cars, forza, battlefield).

>>59006012
There is no point in buying either right now unless you already have a socket that you can buy a good used CPU to fit in. Like going from a 2400 to a 4670k, I think that works, not bothering to double check.

>>59006032
>no point in buying either right now
Because of the Ryzen?

>>59006012
i5 is certainly "enough". but ryzen is being released in like 2 weeks and you should wait and see if it's any good.

and depending on the resolution and settings you want to play your games on the i5 is also more than enough, but on higher res/settings the extra threads can keep your FPS from dipping too much that would cause stutter.

>>59006012
Forza and battlefield will benefit from an i7 for sure
DAWs can run on a fucking toaster, all it takes there is a couple cores that aren't completely embarrassing and plenty of ram. SSD helps a lot for music imo too

>>59005972
Yeah but it doesn't actually do much of anything you still can't go past 1.093v with out a custom bios/mod/evga 1080 classified.
>>59005921
Go find some of the modded pascal cards and see for your self.

>>59006073
We basically know how good it is.
If your games scale with threads it's a good buy
Otherwise delid a 7700k and chill at 5.1-5.2ghz

>>59006071
Correct.
For the price of an intel i5 you can get i7 performance with Ryzen.

So instead of worrying if an "i5 is good enough" you can get something that's cheap AND good with Ryzen. Just get the 1400X, or 1500, or whatever. That's $200 or $229 respectively.

>>59006073
i was curious about this... how or why do higher res settings put more load on the cpu? i was under the impression that the gpu handled this shit.

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This seem ok or is going to be a space heater?

>>58990270
Where did you find such a low quality version of that picture?

>>59006073
>>59006207
Yeah that's not necessarily correct what he said
High resolution makes your cpu work less actually, since your GPU will be hitting its fps limit much more early than with lower res
There are plenty of settings that are more CPU-related than GPU, but for the most part, "higher settings" doesn't necessarily imply more CPU load

>>59006152
>If your games scale with threads it's a good buy
>Otherwise delid a 7700k and chill at 5.1-5.2ghz

It's not that simple.
An i7-7700k is $300. And you have to void your warranty to fix the TIM issue if you want to overclock it.

What if the 1600X, a 6c/12t, is 95% as good on those games that aren't highly threaded? What if benchmarks show you get, say, 90FPS in The Witcher with it compared to 95FPS with the i7-7700k. And the 1600X uses less power, you don't have to void your warranty to fix the TIM and overclock it, AND it is 35-45% better in applications that do use more threads.
And, on top of all that, other than a little 5% loss in FPS on some games, it costs $260 instead of $300.
And the motherboards are cheaper.

I'd say you're pretty retarded to spend more money for 5% better single threaded performance at the cost of worse future proofing (7700k socket is going away while AM4 is going into 2020+), and worse performance in all other regards.

>>59006207
They're just wrong.

>>59006264
You can get 90fps on Witcher with a stock pentium and a baller GPU, that's a horrible example
>>59006152
Ryzen is promising but don't ever trust your money to a leak

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Before Zen was announced, pcbg said your CPU isn't that important and that any modern desktop CPU will hold its own for nearly a decade...
Now people are saying you should upgrade your 7700k in two weeks on release day...
Meanwhile I have a friends old 4970k, 144fps and couldn't give half a shit

>>59006399
I didn't know what single threaded game example to use. There aren't a lot of them now days.

I saw some benchmarks that put the 2500k at anywhere from like 80-115fps on The Witcher depending on memory clocks and overclock.

>all these AMD shills

oy

>>59006428
It's not singlethreaded vs multithreaded, it's that most games simply won't benefit from a minor CPU upgrade. It's that 90% of CPUs are more than capable for 90% of games, with these predictable hallway simulators you just don't need to seperate your processing, it's better to have one or two fast cores that can deal with all the data without losing communication

>>59006152
until we have 3rd party benchmarks we dont.

>>59006207
they share the workload to a certain degree, not everything is handled by the GPU.

>>59006236
only true if your GPU cant handle it. just look at benchmarks (again it's heavily dependent on the game).

>>59006422
>pcbg said your CPU isn't that important and that any modern desktop CPU will hold its own for nearly a decade
you're full of shit. i havent seen a single person say that for several years.

>>59006450
we're not telling anyone to buy ryzen, we're telling them to wait until there's real benchmarks and then decide what to buy.
fuck off shilltel kike

>>59006264
I understand your point and it is entirely valid. It's going to come down to how the buyer plays games. Personally I don't play AAA that die out after a few months. I'm a "main-game" gamer and play one title for a year or longer, sometimes a decade. Every single game I play right now would run worse on a 6950x than a 7700k. I'm aware of every game that is interesting to me in the next few years and none of them are insanely intensive and if they are it will almost certainly be GPU dependant.

If you're one of those goys who buys every new AAA release on Steam then yeah "future-proofing" is a concept you should get familiar with but I think those kind of gamers are in the extreme minority.

Most people who play on PC play CS:GO, LoL, Dota, OW, WoW, GTA, Hearthstone, Minecraft, Rocket League, World of Tanks, etc. I play WoW for example.
I have a 6600k and a 1060 6gb. I play on 7/10 graphics settings (high basically, not ultra) and get about 90 FPS in the current zones and dip down to 40 fps in populated areas. It uses up to 6 physical threads. Doesn't care about HT. A 6/12 ryzen with SMT off may be the best buy for me but a 4/8 7700k at 4.9-5.1 would almost certainly be better for my low frames, which is 40fps right now.

>>59006541
>>59006152
To totally disregard the information we have now is a mistake in my opinion. It's a fair bet to say the 6/12s will be about a 6800k.
What I want to know is how it overclocks. Can i get Skylake IPC by disabling SMT and using good cooling? Maybe a certain chip, like a 4/8 produces less heat and so can clock higher and give significantly better single thread. Can't wait to find out. 2017 and 2018 are going to be such awesome years to be a a hobbyist

>>59006553
Ever single game you listed is generally accepted as "CPU-heavy"
Just an observation
But yeah, you have an overclocked 6600k, you shouldn't even be giving other CPUs a second thought for several years

>>59006541
>fuck off shilltel kike

Only a shill would get this mad.

>>59006585
Yeah I'm also very excited for cannonlake, we haven't had a real die shrink in quite a long time, and skylake/Kaby already sees the benefits of power consumption a and heat. expect the laptop game to change, expect multicore monstrosities to be cooled with $20 coolers

>>59006553
and if the 4/8 ryzen is on par or not far behind when OC'd and costs less?

>>59006585
>To totally disregard the information we have now is a mistake in my opinion
on the contrary with Bulldozer and Piledriver as track "record"

>>59006625
only a shilltel kike would be this desperate with damage control
>0% IPC increase
>"new generation core"
topfuckingkek

>>59006479
50watts average of power usage saved going from a 2500k-2700k like I have is $52 per year.

Over 6 years that I've had the i5-2500k is $600.
The $150 Ryzen 1300 literally pays for itself unless you are turning your PC off every night and don't play any games or anything on it.

So yes, it is worth upgrading, even if the performance improvement is small.

There's just going to be some people that bought Skylake or Kabylake who are regretting it when they should have looked up when new CPUs are coming.

>>59006553
If those are your thoughts, why didn't you just get a G3950 or an i3-6300?
It just sounds like you're making excuses to justify a complete waste of money that was spent due to your ignorant and lack of foresight.

>>59006649
>15w laptop dual cores reaching 2500 performance
AMD dumping all their watts into desktop cores again

>>59006649
The 7600k is not far behind and costs less
Also you can buy it

>>59006649

Can you go a single post without shilling?

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>>59006592
Well that would depend on my money situation. I'm willing to sell it and buy a Ryzen if WoW runs better. I'm sure i'll be ridiculed but it's my game, fuck off.
I think they're CPU-heavy because they just tend to not be GPU bound. I'm going crazy because I can't find the bottleneck in WoW for my system. I think it's the RAM just because that's the only thing I can't test.
Putting the render scale up to 1440p has a minor impact on FPS. Only letting the game use 2, 3, and then 4 cores doesn't affect FPS that much when I'm down in the 40s, yet when the game is running my cores look like pic related
>>59006651
Because I could afford the 6600k and pretty much just wanted it. I think my problems are just engine limitations, or maybe ram like I said.
>>59006649
If the 4/8 is = to a current i7 that's awesome. My guess is that it will be about a 4th gen i7.

>>59006637
Cannon Lake is mobile only. Coffee Lake will be desktop and 14nm

>>59006651
>50 watts of power
>$52
Show your work, because that's literally impossible in North America, even running every second of every day

>>59006703
Wow is CPU heavy you idiot
I just told you every single game you listed is CPU heavy, especially GTA V even with its heavy GPU load

>>59006723
24 hours a day at 12 cents per kw/h.

I'm sorry you suck at math and life, anon.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/bF3gKZ

I'm thinking of building a Streaming PC, as well as doing some video editing.

I know,
>wait for Ryzen,
but this is what I have so far. Would this be strong enough?

>>59006669
AMD still havent released any info about their mobile SKUs so I guess you have that market for now.

>>59006694
the 7600k is above $200 and from the "leaks" the 4c8t ryzen will be sub $200 and closer to an i7.

>>59006696
can you go one post without being a retard?

>>59006802
>implying you run your PC full load 24/7
>implying anything that's not a stress-test program ever reaches full load
nice "math" you got there, genius.

>>59006807
Yes. But you can pretty much get an equivolent CPU and motherboard for $200 less if you
>wait for Ryzen
And why a Powercolor GPU?

>>59006827
50watts difference isn't at full load all the time.
In order to try to correct people, you need at least some cursory knowledge on a subject.
Genius.

>>59006802
Like I said, impossible in North America
But I mean if you're running your CPU at max load every second of every day then sure, *maybe* it's worth upgrading to ryzen from your decade-old 2500k you're running at max load 24/7

>>59006744
"I think they're CPU-heavy because they just tend to not be GPU bound."
You're such a fucking moron that you are incapable of reading. My usage doesn't ever hit 100% even when I'm down to 40 fps. It's only CPU bound because it's not maxing out the GPU. I think it's limited on my system by RAM frequency or the engine it's self.

>>59006879
>And why a Powercolor GPU?
Cheapest 8GB RX 480 I found.

>>59006827
I have that market?
Me?
Oh shit good for me
I guess I win don't I?
Better take a victory lap around /g/ for my victory that I obtained myself
*posted from my arm laptop

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>>59006879
if you want to have a real argument you should get real evidence like measuring your power draw at the fucking wall socket.

brainiac.

>>59006903
pic related, it's you right now.

>>59006888
Yes I saw your quote and said you were fucking wrong.
Now you know that there was no error on my end.

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>>59006912
>the AMD shill literally telling people to upgrade their 7700k says people are shitposting
I mean it's the end of the thread, shitpost away

>>59006926
Every time you post it's an error. "UR WRONG" is the incorrect response when someone agrees with you. Get some help princess

>>59006912
>makes retarded claim
>get told
>"WELL ITS NOT EVEN RELEVANT SO WHY BRING IT UP?"

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>>59006882
Another that thinks it's an only 50watt difference between the 14nm 1300 or 1400X and the 32nm i5-2600k overclocked at full load.
Lmao try 100watts.

>>59006895
https://jet.com/product/MSI-RX-480-ARMOR-8G-OC-MSI-ARMOR-RX-480-ARMOR-8G-OC-Radeon-RX-480-Graphic-Card-1/b9e28f96aa9f469fbf27c4f3d65d5ab9
$180 8GB RX480.

>>59006958
There was no misreading. You said something that was wrong.

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>>59006950
>telling people to upgrade their 7700k
except i havent.
>says people are shitposting
because you are blatantly shitposting right now

>>59006985
Why would anyone buy that when you can get a 6gb 1060 for only 250?

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>>59006888
>or the engine itself
>I can't get 60fps in wow so wow must just actually be a 40fps game

>>59006912
>if you want to have a real argument you should get real evidence like measuring your power draw at the fucking wall socket.
Lmao, I love how you're so stupid that you don't even realize you're further reaffirming what I was telling you with this additional bullshit you're spouting.

Yes, that extra draw from the i5-2600k is going to be 7-20% higher from the wall.

>>59006969
>>59007025
>thinks he can "tell" anyone without posting hard evidence
go on i'll wait for you to post actual power draw readings for Ryzen and compare it to an equivalent intel CPU and list exactly what you're running 24/7 to get those readings

go on...

>>59006958
Not reading your post would be like misspelling 4 words, what kind of monster would do that?