/fglt/ - Friendly GNU/Linux Thread

First for Source Mage GNU/Linux

>>58971402
>>58971423
>makes thread
>posts 2nd post
its all memes now

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First for Source Mage GNU/Linux.

>>58971503
looks like gnome still wins regarding wayland support, how comes they are so far ahead?

>>58971402
Why does he look like a yak?

>>58971527
You mean like a gnu.

>>58971423
>>58971493
How is this any different from GuixSD? Real arguments please.

>>58971541
Is written in bash, more minimal ootb. They also use a minimal init, different from the one GuixSD uses.

Holy crap, tldp is srsly garbage. This is what noobs get taught:

for i in $( ls ); do

for i in `seq 1 10`; do

http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO-7.html

Web Browser/Search Engine related questions can go here >>58960099

>>58971626
well, $(ls) is stupid, agreed, but seq and backticks are technically correct, back in the days that was the way to go because bash wasn't as complete as today

>>58971635
About time, browser discussions are popular but we have a gazillion different threads at the same time.

>>58971626
Alternatives?

>>58971575
not as minimal as Slackware...

>>58971652
yep, I didn't start the general but it is indeed about time

>>58971669
the first one is simply unnecessary, it should just be:

for i in *; do

see this: http://porkmail.org/era/unix/award.html#ls

the second is acceptable, but there is a more clean solution which doesn't need to spawn a subshell and run the seq tool:

for i in {1..10}; do

>>58971669
http://wiki.bash-hackers.org/
And especially:
http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide

>>58971635
Truth: All current browsers are crap.
To avoid botnet, there's Icecat and "ungoogled chrome", didn't try the latter. Alternativly, get Firefox Nightly and configure your about:config to get rid of the crap.

Search engine: searx!

>>58971720
>Search engine: searx!
Is pretty young but the YaCy project is definitely the future.

I agree with Icecat, haven't tried ungoogle chrome either.

>>58971717
The ls thing is also mentioned here:
http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashPitfalls
(good read)

What's a cheap wifi router on which I can install custom firmware?


>>58971720
pale meme or bust

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thoughts on this new meme lads

>>58971765
>>>/r/eddit

>>58971765
>new meme
consider barbecuing your self for some cannibals

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>>58971765
I approve.

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>>58971807

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/15/think-different-can-advertising-defeat-alt-right-propaganda

>>58971765

>two computers
>want to boot a linux distribution on another
>can't use USB flash drives or DVDs

Is there a way to do it over the network with a regular ISO image? Not using special PXE installers.

>>58971831
>add iso to /boot or root if separate /boot
>add iso's info to grub
>update grub

>>58971402
How is /fglt/ feeling about the fact that Google is abandoning ithe GPL licensed Linux kernel in favor of the MIT licensed LX kernel for their unified Android and Chrome OS called Andromeda?
GPL is also losing as a development license on Github, a lot of projects are moving to MIT/Apache/BSD or similarily derivative licenses because developers have finally realized what BSD developers realized a long time ago:
Enforcement of license compliance is expensive and involves lawyers, and FOSS developers who like developing that FOSS software would rather spend time developing code than paying for and spending time in court.

>>58971916
How are shill feeling about the fact that the community is realizing the BSD, MIT and Apache licenses are a scam?

>>58971916
Google is dead, they products are all dead.

>>58971916
>>58971933
Time to move to YaCy.

>>58971933
*their

>>58971916
Thank you for giving me an extra reason to be against Google.

>>58971926
>not addressing the issues, but using ad hominemattacks, memeing
>>>/trash/

>>58971933
>I subsititute reality for my own fantasy
Good luck with that.

>>58971943
Hadn't heard of that search engine, will try it out.

>>58971962
I am not taking the bait.

>>58971962
How is Google not dying? People don't want vanilla Android and their search engine is less trusted than the NSA.

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>>58971916
BSD cuck detected.

>>58971876

One problem though: the computer I want to install it on is running Windows. My other computer is running a Linux distribution though.

>>58971916
honestly, the only thing I care about is the code being open and the "freedom" to alter it, I'm not interested about all the political BS around it. I like opensource because it allows me to study how certain software works and generally for the advantages of knowing that what I'm installing on my system get continuously reviewed by several programmers (me included is few instances).

>>58971916

No one is forcing you to take legal action if someone violates your GPL license. Best case you're covered against violations. With a BSD style license you're always at risking of having your work proprietary-ized.

>>58971402
He looks like what happens when you use the "scan your face" feature on tony hawks underground 2

>>58972015
k.
>take windows HDD out of computer'
>put it in linux computer
>download preferred stage3
>chroot
>configure system
>install
>move HDD back to original computer

>>58971972
It ain't bait, son. It's a question which I'd like answers to, because I'm geniunely curious, along with some facts.

>>58971987
How is it dying?
Even if most phones are Samsung, LG, Huewai, HTC, or whatever the fuck's getting flogged nowadays, Android is still used, and Android still uses the Linux kernel.
Average John and Doe Smith don't even understand what the NSA is doing, nor do they care. They just want to search for google.com on google so they can search for facebook and click there. Google still makes money.

>>58972003
So because you see BSD being mentioned, you assume I'm a BSD user? I used to develop under GPLv2 and now develop under MIT.

>>58972032
So you'd actually be fine with any license, not GPL. Fair enough, but that doesn't address the issue.

>>58972036
GPL has an on-request source code request implicit in it which companies agree to when using GPL, but a lot of them don't comply even when the source _is_ requested and FSF/gpl-violations.org can't go after everyone - ergo, that part of the GPL license may as well be null and void since it isn't used because nobody in FOSS has the money or inclination to persue it.
Plenty of companies still proprietary-ize GPL software and get away with it because noone challanges their GPL compliance.

>tfw lost my private gpg key
>tfw it has my real name
>tfw it has my "work" email
>lost the revocation key as well
f-fuck. Now I'll look like a total retard when I make a new key

>>58972125
kek

>>58972125
Have you tried pass or kpcli? They are pretty good as password managers.

>>58972125
how did you lose both?

So it turns out /fglt/ is just full of people who have fantasies about GPL, but no answers.

4chan, you were so great once. Now you are just like any other site.

>>58972201
answers for what?

Don't reply to the BSD troll. Don't give him (you)s.

Reminder that shills get paid for every (you).

>>58972174
I had fucked up my backup. I thought it had all I needed but it only had the public keys for some reason. Revocation cert was created later but I lost it as my SSD died.

Remember kids, backup your WHOLE .gnupg folder WITH a revocation cert included to atleast two safe locations. I would use my phone's SD card, a thumb drive and my laptop. Encrypt them with some long, good passphrase, of course. Maybe even upload them to your email.

>>58972138
This isn't about passwords.

I've a question about vim's modeline. It's disabled by default on debian, but the functionality looks pretty comfy. What exactly could happen if I enable modeline?

>>58972214
>i'd rather think we're being trolled than actually form an individual opinion

>>58972255
afaik modeline allows only "set" anyway

>>58972270
It's not like that we have this discussion the first time you know. It's just boring.

>>58972281
This. Let the troll die.

>>58972281
Then at least refer me to a postnumber that I can search archives for.

>>58972314
no

>>58972314
>>8=====D~

is it possible to undecorate windows on gnome and reduce the size of the title bar? shit is too big.

Human beings were created by water to transport it uphill.

>>58972383
>>>/trash/

>>58972383
fortune is the best program ever written and the only thing I actually kept in my bashrc from my noob days.

>>58972407
needs bofh excuses tho

>>58972407
Same. I'm wondering if there is a rms quotes fortune file out there. Tried one of these wikiquotes converters, but it didn't work out the way I want.

>>58972407
also needs jargon file entries

>>58972349
That's sexist. Gnome devs like windows themself to decide how they are drawn and what kind of decorations they have.

>>58972407
https://github.com/vim-scripts/Fortune-vimtips/blob/master/fortunes/vimtips

>>58972510
nigga get this one, it's 100 times larger
https://github.com/hobbestigrou/vimtips-fortune/blob/master/fortunes/vimtips

The fucking troll is bumping the firefox thread with random shitposting so people forget about the general web browsers thread and gets sink >>58967015

Fucking asshole.

>>58972525
>100 times larger
You didn't lie, thanks a bunch.

I'm looking for the smallest/fastest program to organise my messy torrented media - movies, tv shows, everything. I know Kodi exists but that's like using a grenade to make omelette. Suggestions?

>>58972607
*when I say organise I mostly mean "bulk rename with appropriate titles"

Post some cool terminal commands!

>>58972655

alias grope='man touch'

>>58972655

while :; do eject; done

>>58972655
:(){ :|:& };:

>>58972655

$(echo "I<RA('1E<W3t`p&r()(pwND&r{,3Rl7Ig}&r{,T31wo});r`26<F]F;==" | uudecode)

>>58972724
very creative 10/10

when the system freezes up is there any override command to give me control?

>>58972655
http://langevin.univ-tln.fr/cours/UPS/extra/unix-shell-jokes.txt

Next week kernel 4.10 comes out and 4.9 becomes the new lts, fucking finally.

>>58972755
fuark, this was the first and last time I executed some obfuscated shit. What does it do?

>>58972924
if you executed it, you should know

>>58972755
>creative
That command, in that exact form, is a meme older than you, kid.

>>58972655
just to spite the memesters I'll post some that I like

>when you don't know the package name but want to search in the description
apropos "search term"
>when you want to see full details about a package
apt show "package"
>see all files associated with a package
dpkg -L "package"

>>58972924
do it, faggot

>>58972954
did you just assume my package manager?

>>58972994
people who ask about cool terminal commands tend to gravitate towards certain distros yes

>>58972874
Depends on why your system froze. Was it because of this? >>58972724 If so then there isn't much you can do unless you want to memorize specific commands to try and kill all the forks, which is unnecessary. Just don't run forkbombs in the first place.

If it's some other reason, then your best bet is to just press ctrl+alt+F1 (or F2, F3, etc..)
If your system isn't too locked up (like in the above case) you can usually get to the login and then you have a shell and can try to kill whatever is causing the freeze.

Beyond that, if you really can't fix it and have to restart your machine thankfully the Linux kernel gives you a way to safely restart your machine properly no matter how frozen it is.
To do it you just press and hold ctrl+alt+shift+PrtSc
then while holding those keys you press the keys REISUB. (Easy to remember because it spells "busier" backwards)

>>58973008
>f it's some other reason, then your best bet is to just press ctrl+alt+F1 (or F2, F3, etc..)
that's the one I've been trying but sometimes it doesn't work

in case it does, how do I "log off" the unresponsive tty so it doesn't use up resources?

>>58973029
Well usually you'd just try to kill the process that's the issue (or if you use "startx" switch the tty that you ran that on and press ctlr+C to kill your window manager or desktop environment)

But if you really want to kill the tty session entirely you could use something like:
ps -fu USERNAME | grep tty
Then take the first number (the PID) and do "kill PID"

Doesn't linux have rctl?

>>58973238
much appreciated

>>58973250 was for >>58973238

>>58972941
I did, that's why I'm asking. It seemed to be a fork bomb but did it do any permanent damage?

>install distro
>Complete install
>Stuck booting with the message "Verifying DMI Pool Data...."
Did I screw something up, or do I just need to wait longer?

>>58973250
>>58973270
I'm not even sure what that is. Is it for remotely controlling the system?

If so that's another good idea I didn't think to mention. You can use SSH to log in to your machine remotely and kill whatever is causing the issues too. A lot of distros have an ssh daemon always running and I think it's a good idea too. If you don't have an ssh daemon running by default I'd recommend setting one up.
>>58973256

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Just installed Fedora on my computer with a USB stick. Since i already installed it i no longer need to have the fedora installation files on the usb stick, but there's something fucked up with it so i can't delete the files nor can i fix the partions. So how do i fix it?

>>58972755

What's with the uudecode if it never gets to that part? To make it look more legit?

>>58973319
If you ran mine >>58972724 then there is nothing permanent at all. Not sure about the other guys though but the man page says uuencode writes to stdout by default so I would guess there's no permanent damage there either.

>>58972655

_() { for ((i=1;i<$1;i++)); do echo -e "\e[$(($1-i+1))C$2\r\e[${i}C$2"; done; }; _ 30 "$(uname -o)"

>>58973375

LANG=POSIX; <the-command-to-start-disk-utility

It should start it in english.

>>58973008

>Easy to remember because it spells "busier" backwards)
Does stuff like that really help some people? Why not just memorize the actual thing instead of using some contrived help which is most of the time just additional data to memorize?

So Ive been using Slackware for a couple days now and managed to set up a nice working system and been downloading some packages etc. . . Untill I had to compile something from source. No problem, the guides make it clear, upack it with tar xjf, ./configure; make; make install; Done.
EXCEPT I get the error "no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH".

Please give me ahint. I do not have gcc installed by the looks of it, also it says make command does not exist.

>>58973456
>Does stuff like that really help some people? Why not just memorize the actual thing
Because you shouldn't have to _memorize_ "busier'. If you're going to actually try to memorize it then sure just do the real thing. The point of those tricks is if that guy never even thinks about it again and his system locks up and he's trying to remember that weird sequence of letters I wrote in my post he's more likely to remember "busier" than "reisub"

>>58973454
Let me golf this.

_(){ for i in $(seq $1);{ echo -e "\e[$(($1-i+1))C$2\r\e[${i}C$2";};};_ 30 `uname -o`

>>58973502
neat, didn't know about this { } thing

>>58973483
>$PATH
This variable lists all directories where the system looks for executables.

To check what it is do

echo $PATH

You need to install GCC (or another compiler but I seriously doubt you'll be happy with clang).

>also it says make command does not exist.
That should be solved by installing gmake package (GNU make).
I've never used slackware so It's a big surprise for me that such distribution does not come with such basic utilities out of the box.

Maybe there's some metapackage that installs a building environment that you just forgot about?

>>58973455
The command didn't work but I can change the language to english in settings brb

>>58973483
the preferred way to compile packages from is either using a SlackBuild or the automated build utility sbopkg, this way you get an actual package that you can install and be able to "safely" uninstall later. Also by using a SlackBuild that is maintained by someone with experience building/packaging that program, chances are they have the right compiler options and configuration flags set to make the build work.

>I do not have gcc installed by the looks of it
did you do a full install? did you include the D package series? if it's your first time using Slackware, it is highly recommended that you do a full install of: A, AP, D, F, K, L, N, X, and XA. (If you don't want to run X then the last two are optional). All of these series contain vital packages that other things depend on, so you shouldn't go through and deselect them unless you know what you are doing.

People are really using Slackware? Why?

>>58973618
it's the counter meme to the superior Source Mage GNU/Linux distribution

>>58973549

No its my fault I chose not to install gcc along with the "programming" bundle becuase I prefered clang and other ides than what they had, its come to bit me in the ass. Thanks for the tips.

>>58973651
>clang
Enemy of freedom.

>>58973651
I'm sure there's a way to still use clang if you insist.

The only thing you won't be able to compile is the Linux kernel but I assume you got that one in a binary form.

>>58973664
>t. dr. toe-jam

>>58973599

Thanks, I made the rookie mistake of not doing full install. Time to clench the asshole and figure this shit out now!

I can just download D from my mirrior right?

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why does ubuntu not have an AUR of their own? it's super handy.

>>58973698
Epic argumentation. Touché.

>>58973685

Ive read somewhere that someone has indeed compiled the kernel with clang, usi g some wizardry I know nothing about.

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>>58973455
Changed it to english

>>58973722
Ubuntu has PPAs (launchpad). That said, the AUR isn't really a repo with packages, it's just a wrapper that downloads stuff from github and other sources. Be careful with the AUR.

>>58973722
Are you stupid?
PPA

>>58973741
well, while ppas are actually packages, you should be careful with these too since they are compiled by literally who

don't trust anything outside the main repos

>>58973735
Yeah, but the process requires patches and clang still makes slower binaries than GCC.

So it's really just an experimental feature.

>>58973722
PPA is superior to AUR because it's a buildsystem that offers already built packages you don't have to compile.

Why aren't you using Source Mage yet, /fglt/?

>>58973618
because it's pure and simple to the point where it will blindly do whatever you tell it to.
also easy to understand/learn on, in part because it forces you to learn the consequences of your actions, but as mentioned, it' s very easy to understand so you learn quickly and it sticks

>>58973651
>>58973685
couldn't you just pass the CC variable to ./configure? if you run ./configure --help it will spit out all the options that are available, both global configure options and ones specific to your package

>>58973712
if you have slackpkg installed you can just install packages one by one as needed, or you if you installed from a DVD/USB, you can pop that in, go to the appropriate directory, and run pkgtool
you can also run
slackpkg install-new
which checks your installed packages against the complete distribution and installs anything that's missing (mostly used when they add something to a distro). if you don't want certain packages or series (like kdei or tex) you can add them to the /etc/slackpkg/blacklist
I also strongly encourage you to get slackpkg+ if you have not done so, because aside from community repos it also adds a greylist feature which is much nicer IMHO because it lets you see which packages get ignored without selecting them

>>58973722

noobuntu babby here, I'm actually using the aur
how? I just follow the instructions in the PKGBUILD file of a program I want to install/compile

:^)

>>58973806
I will never fall for the source-based meme

>>58973806
busybox won't download :^(

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>partion failed
What kind of scam is this?

>>58971648
Since bash 4 theres built in increment support.
start/end/increment
for a in {0..10..2}

>>58973502
>>58973454
kek, saved

>>58973806
Why isn't anyone maintaining it? Why have they only gotten to v0.62 in 15+ years of development? What practical benefits does it have over Gentoo or LFS?

if I want to purge an entire DE do I use
pacman -Rs
or
pacman -Rsc

>>58973722
They do. It's called github.

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>>58973746
>Are you stupid?
no, why do you ask that?
>PPA
PPA's are very diffuse and not handy at all.
if I'm to use a ppa (that I have to look after) I might as well look for the compiled binary manually.

>>58973741
i know, but the pkgbuild aspect, the crowd-sourced recipes aspect, the comunity-commented recipes aspect, etc. that's lacking.

>>58973766
>PPA is superior to AUR because it's a buildsystem that offers already built packages you don't have to compile.
but compiling is better.
that undermines your entire argument slash opinion.

>>58973830
yes but you're not using yaourt and mindlessly pressing n, y and enter when suitable without having to look for a ppa, without having to clone a repository, without having to open the browser or anything like that :^)

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>>58973854

>>58973806
But I do.

>>58972407
"fortune -so" is great to have in your .bashrc, and your .bash_profile, and especially the text manipulation command for xscreensaver if you use your laptop at work

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>>58973894
>using github and ppa's when you can install things automagically with the aur and a front-end of your choice
too much work

>>58973942
^work^fun

>>58971402
wow, there used to be skin beneath all that hair?

>>58973897
>but compiling is better
it's better to have that option but it's not inherently better in all cases, especially if your distribution maintainers are practical, experienced, and sane.

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>>58973942
>blindly installing programs not maintained by distro developers, written by literally who

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Fresh install on HDD, and computer is stuck booting.

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>>58973975
there even used to be a jaw

>>58974001
welcome to arch linux, where people think
curl http://top.kek | sh is a good idea.

>>58974005
>master
>slave
how is this allowed

>>58973812

Thanks for the help, Slackware users are truely the master race.

>>58974054
you can stop samefagging now

>>58974001
>programs not maintained by distro developers
isn't that 90% of all programs out there?

>>58974026
It's the prferred way to install oh-my-zsh, though. What's wrong with it?

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>>58974026
who wants to?

>>58974060

> implying

Im thanking someone for help resolving my issues, why do you have to be insecure anon?

>>58974070
what if some tard adds a rm -rf * into the script your are | shing?

>>58974072
see if thi.cc is available

http://gnupluslinux.org

>>58974070
what if some tard adds that to any build script you use?

>>58974109
meant for
>>58974090

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>>58974102
botnet clickbait
do not click

>>58974129
I still have no clue how to use umatrix. Is privacy badger enough?

>>58974129
;_; wew, didn't know

>>58974129
hard to describe without writing a tutorial
just use it, click around, after a while everything makes sense

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>>58974060
>

>>58974054
yeah. pretty much. if you keep using it, you will eventually know every single part of the distribution inside and out out of sheer necessity, so any time you talk to someone with at least 3-5 years of Slackware use/administration/maintenance, they're going to be an expert.
And it's one of the least autistic distros, right up there with CentOS and openSUSE.

>>58974192
meant >>58974141

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>>58974094
it's not, but did you know that .wang is now a gTLD?

>>58974222
I thought literally everything was allowed as a domain but people are stuck to the old ones out of familiarity and nostalgia

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>>58974090
>>58974109
there are tards everywhere

>>58974287
>so sorry

Gnome is so fucking shit. Even gnome-light on Gentoo wants to install some weather shit and other bloat. Disabling cups USE got rid of most of the bloat (SAMBA??) but it's still painful (for you)

The woes of Gnome user that has autism

>>58974287
not as bad as the "rm -r /*" by valve

>>58974287
same happened to steam https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-for-linux/issues/3671
is there a meme like this too?

>>58974320
wouldn't that get stopped by the lack of a no-preserve-root flag?

>>58974318
by far the worst DE in its default form. LXDE is just as fugly but at least it's not bloated to fuck

>>58974318
Patrick removed GNOME in 2005 after 4 years of consideration whether it would be fair to users who liked it. He decided supporting it wasn't worth the cancer and he didn't want those users anyway. And this was back when it wasn't even half the clusterfuck it is now.

>>58974352
I don't think so since it doesn't operate on /, the glob expands to /bin, /boot, /dev, /etc, ...

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Why was there such a significant regression going from Mint 17 to 18?
The network manager used to just work, and it would re-connect to WiFi almost immediately upon waking the computer.
Now thanks to Ubuntu 16.04 it crashes from time to time, and even when it doesn't crash it's not as quick to reconnect to a network.
I'm not that knowledgeable about linux, but it seems moving to systemd wasn't such a great idea after all. Oh and boot times aren't better either.

How can I install ffmpeg in Debian? Is not on the repo ;_;

>>58974373
I got it down to 109 packages. This is on a new install with just xorg-server/mesa/drivers. Not that bad considering it pulls a functional Gnome shell.

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>>58974451
Welcome to the new order.

>>58974318
lemme guess , your distro of choice does not split the nautilus-user-share plugin from nautilus, and thus requires samba as an gnome dependency. Gee that must suck mate.

>>58974451
can't say I've seen connection issues after waking but the boot time is pretty terrible, around 90 to 120 seconds for me. Kinda funny that my VMs boot in like 20 seconds

>>58974475
>Implying a bug in Networkmanager is systemd's fault.

>>58974457
https://packages.debian.org/jessie-backports/ffmpeg

>>58974476
Nah, it was Gnome control center with USE=cups

https://gitweb.gentoo.org/repo/gentoo.git/tree/gnome-base/gnome-control-center/gnome-control-center-3.22.1-r1.ebuild#n57

I don't want Gnome to handle cups anyway.

>>58974499
Ok, how do I install this?

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>>58974334
Now there is.

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I used #! back in the day to speed up an old netbook, and now I've really come to love it and busnenlabs because it's pretty simple and looks nice (to me) admittedly I'm not very savy at linux I tend to use it just for simple browsing/word processing etc.

I'm interested in upgrading to a laptop (from my netbook) are chromebooks beefy enough to do coding on? (I'm learning)

And should I use a different distro (like just moving to debian normal) if I did get a chromebook? I don't think I've ever really read anything about this distro positive or negative. Sorry for the long post.

>>58974487
The network manager bug has been around for a while now unfortunately.
Mint even removed samba supposedly to improve boot times, but I was actually using it to share folders with a Windows computer.
Looks like the only thing I like about Mint is Cinnamon so I might jump ship.

>>58974451
>16.04 network manager
That shit made me drop Ubuntu.

>>58974532
I would also include the clusterfuck they did to define $STEAMROOT

>>58974576
Do I faggot, I'm outta here for a fap.

>>58974528
You read the Debian wiki and/or man pages

pro tip: apt sources

>4chan, where memes are born

>>58971648
What is stupid about for i in $(command)
Do you mean it's stupid because it's ls in the working directory?

>>58974609
http://mywiki.wooledge.org/ParsingLs

>>58974602
you have yet to see our final form

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>>58974532
sorry but that pixel triggered my autism

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>>58974334

>>58974620
Intredasting. Just getting into bash loops and actually haven't encountered a problem with that yet.

>>58974655
>>58974642
>>58974532
>>58974334
>>58974320
Simple workaround to avoid this:
${something:?}
this will print an error message and break if $something is undefined.
Ofc the best solution is to actually make sure that $something exists.

>>58974702
Could also be avoided by adding

set -euo pipefail

Goof idea to start ever script with this line.

The related switch here is -u:
>Treat unset variables and parameters as error

>>58974687
if you're just doing something quick and dirty it's not a huge deal твн, and there are ls options to escape filenames and such. and unless bash added some kind of very extended regexp globbing, there will be still be times when find or ls will be your best option, no?

>>58974790
ls is never an option
find is

>>58974790
>and unless bash added some kind of very extended regexp globbing
Such as? bash has pretty good globbing, if enabled, and also does regex.

>>58974772
b-but, unset != empty, right?

>>58974562
bumping this

>>58974847
Bunsenlabs is comfy, if it's comfy enough for you, keep it. Switching to Debian makes only sense if you:
- want Debian
- want newer packages (testing, unstable)
- want to rice your system yourself
There aren't much differences between distros other than package systems.

>>58974820
does it have enough globbing that it can replace find or chaining several greps?
and if so, is it worth the cost in having to reread and maintain a monstrous glob pattern?
don't get me wrong, my strongest language in Perl so I am all about making unsightly yet concise snippets.

>>58974847
>>58974880
Oh, if you want to program, it *could* be a good idea to get a distro with the latest libraries and interpreter versions. On the other hand, you can also just compile and install these yourself. It's all up to you.

hey /g/, I'm considering installing Arch on my Asus Zenbook. will I run into any compatibility issues?

>>58974909
Post some examples you usually do with find/grep pls.

+1 for perl, it's a great language

>>58974965
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Category:ASUS

Hey guys is it true that Linux computers are free? Why can't I just go to like a Linux store and take a Linux pc home with me?

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>>58974880
>>58974943
I appreciate it. Again i'm just starting to "use" linux, and I've always thought it was comfy, but I don't go looking for reviews to see if there is anything better. Sounds like I'm just going to stick with it. I'm beginning to get used to compiling stuff so that's not a problem. Thanks again.

>>58975004
thanks!
also, is partitioning an SSD any different from partitioning an HDD?

>>58975032
saved

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>>58975017
Free software means software that respects the user's freedom.

There are four essential freedoms that the user of software should always have:

Freedom 0 is the freedom to run the program however you wish.
Freedom 1 is the freedom to study the source code of the program and change it to make the program do as you wish.
Freedom 2 is the freedom to distribute copies of the program to others when you wish. This includes republication of the program.
Freedom 3 is the freedom to distribute copies of your modified versions to others when you wish. This includes republication.

If you have all four of these essential freedoms, then the program is free software, which means that the social system of the distribution of the program is an ethical system that respects the freedom and co
mmunity of the users.

If one of these freedoms is missing, then the program is proprietary software, meaning that it keeps the users divided and helpless, and gives the developer power over the users. This is an injustice. Proprie
tary software should not exist and should not be used.

If you want to have freedom, the only way you can have it while using computers is by rejecting proprietary software.

>>58975053
Needs mention of "free as in freedom" or "it's not about price; it's about freedom!'
Otherwise 9.5/10

>>58971402
Hello

does Thunar not have similar option as Dolphin/Windows Explorer, which is an automatic renaming of files with same name?

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>>58975053
>people actually believe this nonsense

>>58975017


>>58975053
>>58975078

>>58975078
Here you go:

perl -lnE '$i=y///c-2;push@a,map{$"x$j++.$_.($"x$i--.$_)x2}/.(?!$)/g;say for@a,s/.$//r.reverse,reverse@a' <<< "Free as in Freedom"

perl monks unite!

>>58975103
h-how can you even read this garbage?

>>58975123
It's called knowing a programming language, anon. You should try it.

>>58975103
teach me senpai!

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>>58975103
ebin

>>58975153
what font is this?

>>58975032
>>58974943
If you do want to compile and install them yourself, you might want to go with a distro that has a convenient build system so that you can make packages instead of just filling your system with software and libraries. I'm not 100% sure if Debian does, I haven't touched it in ages. Debian testing/unstable would probably have newer packages though.

On the other hand, most interpreted languages have their own independent method of installing libraries/packages/modules (CPAN, npm, whatever ungodly thing Python uses), and if you're just learning something like C you really don't need much more than the standard library and maybe the library for whatever you want to interface with.

>>58975103
>tfw it's been years since I was enthusiastically "learning" perl so all my clever obfu snippets and JAPHs are on some unmarked hard drive in a box in my closet

>>58975123
the real question is how can the interpreter read it. any operator can be interpreted in at least 5 different ways based on how you use it, any character /at all/ can be used a delimiter for strings and regexes, you can even rewrite any valid perl program in pseudo-syntatically correct Latin.

>>58975171
Vanilla Terminus.

>>58975123
try this on for size:
http://perlmonks.org/?node_id=1051327

What printer manufacturer respects our freedoms the most?

Looking for a high quality laser printer because I'm sick and tired of ink.

>>58975184
>JAPHs
The only one I've saved:

perl -e 'map{my$qw;map{!$q[$_]&&rand>.993?do{$q[$_]=${[qw$Just another Perl hacker$]}[$qq++].q$.$x5 .q$ $x5;$qq=$qq>3?0:$qq}:0;$q[$_]?do{($qx, $q[$_])=split//,$q[$_],2;$qw.=$qx}:{$qw.=q$ $}}1..70;;print$qw,$/;select$a,$a,$a,.06}1..300'

Prints a "digital rain". Pretty neat.

>>58973356
Well, rctl is short for resource control, something freebsd has had since 2012, and can be applied to users, classes, processes or jails (a type of container meant to confine root).
It can limit basically any kind of resource (the exception being diskspace, but that's easily limited with the storage subsystem or zfs).

In other news, it's been a while since we've had a good Linus rant, but he delivered today:
"The innovation the industry talks about so much is bullshit... Anybody can innovate. Don't do this big 'think different'... screw that. It's meaningless. Ninety-nine per cent of it is get the work done."

>>58975237
inb4 I copy paste all this Perl stuff to the terminal and end up nuking my HDD

>>58971402
Pretty new to Ubuntu here, trying to install DS4DRV with the command "Sudo pip install ds4drv" When it gave me this error

The directory '/home/me/.cache/pip/http' or its parent directory is not owned by the current user and the cache has been disabled. Please check the permissions and owner of that directory. If executing pip with sudo, you may want sudo's -H flag.
The directory '/home/me/.cache/pip' or its parent directory is not owned by the current user and caching wheels has been disabled. check the permissions and owner of that directory. If executing pip with sudo, you may want sudo's -H flag.
Requirement already satisfied: ds4drv in /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/ds4drv-0.5.1-py2.7.egg
Requirement already satisfied: evdev>=0.3.0 in /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/evdev-0.6.4-py2.7-linux-x86_64.egg (from ds4drv)
Requirement already satisfied: pyudev>=0.16 in /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/pyudev-0.21.0-py2.7.egg (from ds4drv)
Requirement already satisfied: six in /usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/six-1.10.0-py2.7.egg (from pyudev>=0.16->ds4drv)

I thought this might be a permissions error so I did the same command in "sudo su"

It's odd because if I type "ds4drv" into terminal it says "[error][daemon] 'hcitool clock' returned error. Make sure your bluetooth device is powered up with 'hciconfig hciX up'."

but if I type the command "ds4drv --hidraw"

It says

[info][controller 1] Created devices /dev/input/js1 (joystick) /dev/input/event14 (evdev)
[info][controller 1] Connected to USB Controller (40:1B:5F:24:F9:E7
MODALIAS=HID:B0003G0000V0000054CP000005C4 hidraw2)
[info][hidraw] Scanning for devices
[info][controller 1] Battery: 45%

Which seems to pickup the controller plugged in via usb, but still doesnt work. Any ideas?

>>58974790

I've always tested the output of "ls /path/to/dir/" before I "for i in $(ls /path/to/dir)", but had no idea what to do if there was a filename char issue.
>>58974810
According to link posted, find has issues.
http://mywiki.wooledge.org/ParsingLs

Can you not set a desktop wallpaper in i3?

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>>58975249
4u

>>58975319
Are you using a compositor? If yes, use feh.

>>58975260
>If executing pip with sudo, you may want sudo's -H flag.

>>58975382
and put the ~/.fehbh that generates, or whatever it's called, in you're i3 conf.

>>58972607
sonarr and couchpotato are the best tools for this
> tv shows : sonarr
> movies : couch-potato

What is best terminal cd/dvd burning software? K3b is absolute shit and never works. How is growisofs?

>>58975468
dd.

>>58973897
yes but you're not using yaourt and mindlessly pressing n, y and enter when suitable without having to look for a ppa, without having to clone a repository, without having to open the browser or anything like that :^)

love using pacaur but I don't always get the package name correct without looking it up, and if you're going to look at the terminal to punch in y/n, you might as well take a look at the PKGBUILD

>>58975521
I thought dd couldn't burn an ISO to a CD or DVD

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I'm installing Source Mage in qemu (with kvm) tonight.

What should I expect regarding compilation time?
I've got an i7 (4 cores x 2 threads, 2.20GHz) and 8 GB RAM (of which not even 1.5 GiB is actively used most of the time).
How much memory should I reserve for the VM?
My qemu command would look somewhat like this

qemu-system-x86_64 -smp 4 -m 4G -enable-kvm -cdrom [live iso] -boot order=d [disk file]

Is there something I should add/change to optimize performance? (first time using qemu)

So I want to get rid of the Canonical dick and get Debian instead. I have 2 questions...

Should I use testing or unstable? Because I want newer packages, but it doesn't need to be bleeding edge, as long as the packages are fresh enough.

How to install testing or unstable? Is it correct that I need to install stable and upgrade from there?

Thanks.

>>58975571
ISO describes the CD fileformat, which is a type of disk image. If you have an image created with the CD fileformat, you can write that image with dd, since dd is made to manipulate files directly via syscalls, which works because everything on Unix(-likes) is a file, so you simply write an image file to the device.

>>58975625
>testing or unstable
well, some prefer testing, some unstable
testing does break less, but hasn't as much security support as stable and unstable

since unstable breaks nearly never and you can see if something may break via apt-listbugs anyway, I'd say unstable

by using testing, you may end up with a unfixed bug for an amout of time until the next unstable rolls into testing

my 2cents

>>58975665
thats cool, i'm using arch though.

>>58975625
Debian Sid.
Yes, upgrade from stable -> testing -> unstable.

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Hey /g/, what's the best lightweight and user-friendly distro for daily use?

>>58975731
source mage

>>58975731
Source Mage GNU/Linux.

>>58975731
Source Mage GNU/Linux.

>>58975731
source mage

>>58975731
source mage᠎

>>58975600
have you used source based distros before? I feel like if this is your first time using qemu AND kvm AND some meme source based distro you'll be frustrated to no end

why don't you try it in virtualbox first?

>>58975600
notice how the smgl shills are unable to answer basic questions about their "ideal" system
not surprising when you consider the smgl devs are unable to maintain a single package in their """GRIMOIRE"""

>>58975419
sudo -h pip install ds4drv
[sudo] password for me:
install: missing destination file operand after 'ds4drv'
Try 'install --help' for more information.

Fuck.

>>58975833
-H

Can anyone tell me why this only prints the first letter of the last word in the list regardless of word or list length, but works for all others?

import random
import time

words = ["Just........", "another.....", "Python......", "babby......."]

curwords = [0] * 80
curpos = [0] * 80

try:
    for line in range(300):
        line = ""
        for col in range(80):
            if curwords[col]:
                curpos[col] += 1
                if curpos[col] == 12:
                    curwords[col] = 0
                    curpos[col] = 0
                    line += " "
                else:
                    line += words[curwords[col] - 1][curpos[col]]
            else:
                if random.random() < 0.01:
                    curwords[col] = random.randint(0, 3)
                    curpos[col] = 0
                    line += words[curwords[col] - 1][0]
                else:
                    line += " "
        time.sleep(0.1)
        print line
except KeyboardInterrupt:
    pass

>>58975841
kek

>>58975840
I love you anon

>>58975468
cdrecord if you want something pure command line
cdw if you want an ncurses menu-driven interface

>>58975841
ask /dpt/

>>58975878
They will call him out for using python and recommend

import _JAPH_

>>58975888
only tards do this, every thread has it's faggots, ask anyway

>>58975841
i don't use languages with significant whitespace/indentation out of principle

>>58975912
You're missing out. I do find the compact languages interesting but they're hell if you need to maintain programs.

Did you know that python literally can import hello world?

$ python -c 'import __hello__'
Hello world...

Note for Arch users: python2 and python3 have different output. Python3's output isn't THAT depressive:

$ python3 -c 'import __hello__'
Hello world!

>>58975938
>doesn't output "Hello, world!"
They had one job

Suggestions for a distro that is good for making music.

>>58975975
Source Mage GNU/Linux

>>58975975
Literally any, except you are using a fucking huge audio equipment, then literally any distro with low-latency linux.

>>58975600
Your defaults seem about fine, 4 cores and 4GB of ram will significantly decrease the time of compilation. If you for example choose ccache in the sorcery option, subsequent compilations will be shorter.

A couple advises, to change KEYMAP to your keyboard change /etc/sysconfig/keymap, and /usr/share/keymaps contains the reference keymaps
to update the package manager

sorcery update

to update the package list

scribe update

to check any changes in the architecture specs

cast smgl-archspecs

to change general things like the color scheme

sorcery

to rebuild everything from source

sorcery rebuild

to recompile the kernel

cast -r linux

after casting new spells you need this to have apropos, man -k, and whatis

makewhatis

To get a list of spells needing upgrade

sorcery -q

to upgrade the spells themselves known to be available for upgrade

cast --queue

check for broken installations

cleanse --fix

delete completely a spell

dispel --nosustain SPELL

>>58976013
not him but that helps, thanks senpai

>>58975828
>have you used source based distros before?
No, but I've glanced at the Source Mage installation guide and it seems pretty simple.
Much simpler than Gentoo.

>if this is your first time using qemu AND kvm
I've successfully installd Arch in qemu/kvm yesterday.
I'm asking for advice, because I still don't know much about it.

>you'll be frustrated to no end
I'm pretty patient.

>>58976013
Thanks.

>>58975829
>smgl shills
They're just shitposters.

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>>58975923
I have nothing against indentation, but it should be a purely stylistic decision how to implement it and it should never define blocks. Don't source files break if people use tabs vs spaces?

>>58975975
http://www.studioware.org/

:^)
  ┘

>>58976029
>>58976055
No problem. I advice investigating the options within the

sorcery

command. Is like an

aptitude

in Debian terms, but much much more rich.
All the previuosly mentioned commands replace things like

apt-get update

,

apt-get upgrade

, etc, etc. Of course, Except for the options like recompiling the kernel oft course.

>>58976058
>Don't source files break if people use tabs vs spaces?
It can happen but that's why I just use automatic tab to space conversion (which also works retroactively) to sidestep the issue.
Anyone who unironically uses tabs for indentation deserves what they get.
I agree that forcing people to use it vs having it as an option is stupid.

>>58976070
I almost forgot, what about the compilation time?
Can you give a rough estimate for the kernel?

>>58976097
Depends on your CPU and memory.

>>58976097
Of course, with a single processor, 2GB of ram, no KVM and no previous ccache, it took me near 4 hours total.

>>58974008
this looks photoshopped.... excuse me, GIMPed

>>58976144
I'd just like to ... oh well.

>>58976144
its real, babby boi

>>58976128
And with total I mean including the time it took me to answer the questions (over 30 minutes). Subsequents recompilations remember your answers thou.

>>58976082
>b-but I use tabs for indentation
and I don't really like it when people don't because I ts=2 and 4-character indentation triggers my autism sometimes (I'm not even going to bring up 8)
When you want to line up and tabulate your operators and keywords and variables and literals to make it look pretty, sure, can't get around spaces, but for block-level indentation it's just more polite to use tabs and let people set their own preferred stop width, no?

>>58976097
orders of magnitude longer than if you installed binaries like a normal person

>>58976144
it's an often-cited picture that he likes to complain about because the magazine that published it cropped out the robot he was dancing with

>>58975938
python -c "import this"

>>58976114
That's why I was asking for a *rough* estimate. (any kind of estimate if possible, just to give me an idea)

>>58976128
Thanks. Would it improve much if I gave it 6 GiB of RAM?

>>58976175
>no?
no.
you will use my indentation and you will like it.

>>58976175
>the robot he was dancing with
why is he the official saint of /g/ again?

>>58976181
Of course, would improve more if you use more CPU thou.

>>58972655
x="bottles of beer"; y="on the wall"; i=99; while [ $i -gt 1 ]; do printf "%d %s %s, %d %s. Take one down, pass it around, %d %s %s ...\n" "$i" "$x" "$y" "$i" "$x" "$((i-1))" "$x" "$y"; i=$((i-1)); sleep 1; done

>>58976198
I mean, I once put my dick in a vibrating teddy bear and you don't see my face around when you load up /g/

>>58974008
>High-tech prankster
What does this mean in a professional context?

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>>58976207
cheers

Linux means my IQ is high, much higher than double digit windows IQ. Lmao, they're dumber than niggers.

>>58976243
got lost on your way to 9gag?

>>58976229
Hacker.

I found a great article about using programs in the framebuffer http://hacklab.cz/2012/04/22/usefulness-linux-framebuffer-virtual-console

Replace mplayer with mpv and you are almost set to abandon the GUI.

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>>58976198
he's so /g/, he doesn't even need 2 dimensions for his waifu

what is the purpose of openSUSE?

>>58976286
>no xorg <=> no gui
framebuffer is gui you idiot

>>58976284
>Hacker
But this word isn't used in a professional context.

>>58976346
to be a sensible alternative to distros like Fedora and provide a polished, "professional"-quality system developed alongside a commercial enterprise OS with its own set of neat innovative features and slightly less autism when it comes to pushing new standards on everyone.

>>58976286
I've found it's easier to delete scattered files in a folder via file manager than it is via command line.

>>58976343
He's a living meme. I love his article about why he "chose" not to have children.
He stated that, with his choice, he reduced the world population by 5-10 people in 2050. That's an achievement, appearantly.

>>58976346
to open your SUSE

>>58976415
didn't want to kek but kekked

>>58976398
think of how many people he would reduce it to if he went around telling everyone it is their moral obligation not to have kids!
although now that I think about it, the number of people on /g/ alone who will never have children in part because GNU (and therefore GNU/Linux) exists, I'd say he's responsible for at least several thousand.

>>58976415
When you need a Linux distro, you want a Linux distro. And you'd like to compile a lot of kernels, right? And you'd like to SuCK a lot of cOck, right? Then you should install
SUUS
*funeral march of a marionette*

>>58976455
Upvoted!

>>58976395
if you don't know which ones you want, then perhaps. if you want to quickly select all the files of one type, or delete (certain) files from all the subdirectories of a folder at once, or files whose name matche a pattern, or especially if you want to come up with some kind of complex criteria like delete files that contain a certain text string, or images that match a certain set of properties, you can use things like grep or exiftool and then feed the list of matching files directly to rm.

but even when selecting files by hand, I find ranger far more convenient and faster to use than anything requiring a mouse because vi-style keybindings.

>>58976584
Somebody got to make a C version of ranger, and I mean a version that supports image previews.

>>58976256
Low IQ winnigger detected. I can destroy your nigger mind with my own.

>>58976674
it already supports image previews but you have to use specific terminal emulators

Need help again with Salkware.... I installed some packages using slackpkg, and it said they got installed, great. Check the /var/log + /adm and they are there, great. Check /bin . . . nothing. What gives?

>>58976717
I wanted to try it into the virtual console but no, it doesn't display it for some reason.

Besides, bare C with no python libraries will be a godsend.

>>58976740
do you know the specific name of the files you want?

Friendly reminder to never reply to the source mage faggot. Don't even mention his distro, which is a shitty ripoff of Gentoo for legitimate autists.

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As we are making "friendly" reminders here, reminder that if you want to use a source based distro, is a good idea to have an SSD. Compilation times are significantly faster in solid state drives in addition to fast processors.

>>58976693
whoa, that edge is sharp

>>58976771

Well yeah I have them 'installed' I suppose in /var/log by slackpkg, from what I read I thought that slackpkg takes the package and installs it for you and its good to go, am I wrong?

Also, reminder not to be an asshole like the other guy, he is just butthurt a distro that isn't what he uses became trendy.

All distros have their place.

>>58976828
I wouldn't know since I don't use slack but if you're looking for a specific file you can use fsearch, I love that program

but at this point I have to ask why you're persisting with slack, just install an ubuntu flavor or Mint

>>58976792
is arm support in the works?

>>58976792
Source? Sequential reads are 100MB/s+ for mechanical - why would IO be a bottleneck?

Is yast actually useful?

>>58976843
Nobody cares.

>>58976854

1. I'm a masochist. I like learning the hard way.
2. Despite my limited knowledge I like limited Slack better vs Ubuntu.

>>58976828
when you install a package in slackware, it creates a text file in /var/log/packages with the name of the package. the file contains package size, description, and a full file list. you can cat or less or grep that file to find where whatever program was supposed to be installed.
what is the package in question? is it one you got from the repos or one you built yourself?
Also most things except for the most basic utilities get installed in /usr/bin, but regardless they should both be in your PATH

>>58976869
I heard that yes. People are working in archspecs but the kernel is obviously another thing.

>>58976873
Can't provide much more than personal experience right now.

Now that this thread is deprecated, what thread are we upgrading to?

>>58976931
Just make the thread already.

>>58976843
>Trendy
It's not trendy, you retard, it's just being shilled by one or two retards here (more likely just one person with a vpn or a phone). There's literally no reason to use it over Gentoo.

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>>58976772
>>58976843

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>>58976961
Fuck off, you are the troll here.

>>58976911

I'm the retard who didn't install d/ at the start thinking Ill just get the stuff I like to use. SO I had to install ALL of d/ (Gcc, make, cmake, etc). I do not have .txts in my /var/log, only PAK files.

I think I'm just going to reinstall....

>>58976961
what godawful gtk theme is that