/wbg/ - Web Browser General

Firefox 52 comes out in 3 weeks, death of plugins begins.

>>58960114
There's still time to switch to pale moon.

>>58960099
Good idea OP

What's better, Firefox Nightly or Icecat?

haven't had any problems with chromium on arch, but firefox has been slow and laggy, especially with scrolling. Anything I can do? Hardware accel. is disabled

>>58960114
>death of plugins
what about addons?

>>58960145
Thanks!

Personally I'd go with Nightly because of the fast updates. Although I'd say you should keep a secondary browser around just in case if nightly breaks.

>>58960167
That will happen at the end of this year.

>>58960137
>>58960145
>>58960170
I'm firefox fanboy for 13 years now and considering one of the alternatives. What are the benefits and differences with nightly / waterfox / pale moon / whatever the fuck, and will they fuck up my extensions?

Is "better security" a meme?

>>58960170
That's what I thought. That image of browser tiers that's always floating aroung has Icecat on the same level as Nightly though, which is weird cause I thought Icecat was just Firefox with all free images

Also this general should be a place to talk about search engines too imo

>>58960262
Yes. Unless you're going to off brand tube-porn sites without blocking ads and scripts there isn't much that's going to happen to you.

>>58960262
Just install Gentoo (or another distribution of GNU+Linux) and you can browse whatever the fuck kind of shady chink websites you want without having to worry about anything worse than a segfault.

>>58960262
Nightly is firefox but with faster updates. Better security and more features but a bit unstable at times.
There's no real reason to use waterfox over firefox.
Pale moon is basically firefox but with the older UI. It will also still support current extensions even when firefox switches to web extensions.

The choice is yours.

>>58960267
>I thought Icecat was just Firefox with all free images.
That's exactly what it is. All those images of browser tiers are made of random shills wanting to make their browser look the best.

>Also this general should be a place to talk about search engines too imo
I'll keep that in mind for the next /wbg/

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>>58960282
>>58960497
Looks like I'm sticking with firefox

Can someone recommend a good low RAM usage browser?

I'm using Chrome which I know eats RAM like crazy, but all I'm currently doing on my PC right now is editing a couple of word documents and watching a stream, and yet my PC is almost unusable.

>>58960926
qutebrowser

>>58960944
Thanks. I'll check it out.

>>58960952
can be annoying asf because of vim keybindings but it's the lightest I know of that isn't terminal based.

>>58960926
>>58960952
Qupzilla is also good.

I've been a longtime Firefox/Nightly user. I'd like to use extensions such as Netflix Party or Showgoers to sync Netflix streams with friends, but it seems like those are only available on Chrome. Does anyone know a Firefox alternative? I'd rather not switch to Chrome because of Google spying

>>58960150
The latest update is ass and makes everything slower so, to get that boost back In firefox use this:

1.Type about:config in the browser's address bar.
2.Confirm that you will be careful.
3.Search for browser.tabs.remote.autostart.
4.Double-click on the preference.

Worked for me

Good Firefox fork without all the modern social shit like Pocket and SJW nonsense but having extension compatibility?

Opera is comfy.

>>58961042
Pale moon is exactly what you described.

>>58960099
I think one thing we can start this general off with is some sort of copypasta about browsers to consider
something like

FAST BROWSERS:
X
X
X

SECURE BROWSERS:
X
X
X

LIGHTWEIGHT BROWSERS:
X
X
X

CUSTOMIZABLE BROWSERS:
X
X
X

etc

>>58961505
Good idea.

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>>58960926

>>58960137
this family

>>58961757
Is this a meme or do people not know why this is.

Why do chromium use so much memory ?

It's fast but when I got too much tabs it almost crash with my pc.

>>58961024
ty

>>58960099
Stupid noob question
Some of these "god tier" browsers are not on the app store.
I assume I would have to download it?

>>58960497
>No reason to use Waterfox over Firefox
It removes Mozilla's optional botnet completely and removes some bloat. It's also a bit faster. It's way better than nightly and regular Firefox.

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>>58961505
All I have is this and a few similar images. For users that aren't concerned about botnet, opera goes to God tier, chrome to excellent and brave to placebo I guess.

I'd suggest the following
FAST BROWSERS:
>Chromium
>Opera
>Nightly Firefox
SECURE BROWSERS:
>Comodo Dragon
>Comodo IceDragon
LIGHTWEIGHT BROWSERS:
>midori
>K-Meleon
CUSTOMIZABLE BROWSERS:
>firefox
>Vivaldi (?)
>K-Meleon (?)
PRIVACY ORIENTED BROWSERS:
>tor
Anyone feel free to add your own opinions.

I never had any problems with firefox while I see many anons saying it's slow on their computers. It's just as fast as chrome on mine so I'm not sure if they're spreading the hate since their only other arguments are "Firefox has sjw devs".
I also hear pale moon is light but I haven't tried it yet.

Also, the question marks are there simply because I have used the browsers myself but never really customised them much. People claim vivaldi and k-meleon are very customizable.

>>58963237
You can disable anything you dislike in about:config. Including telemetry.

>>58963500
>I never had any problems with firefox while I see many anons saying it's slow on their computers. It's just as fast as chrome on mine

How many tabs do you usually keep open, do you open & close tabs a lot or do you tend to stick to the same ones, and do you often visit intensive websites like youtube or twitter?

>>58963500
>>Comodo Dragon
>>Comodo IceDragon
Why are these even allowed.

>>58963548
I frequently use YouTube (2-6 tabs, one of them playing a video) + Facebook tab + Facebook's web messenger tab, so my minimum is 4 tabs. I can't stand having a bunch of tabs open so I almost never have over 10 tabs open at once and if I do they're usually split into 2 windows, one for browsing, reading and messaging and the other for YouTube. This way I get to 12 tabs max.
The only other scenario is when I have over 20 tabs open while searching for things to download, torrents, or if I'm trying to find a specific page. But this doesn't count as "intensive".
I'm not the kind of person to open 50+ tabs.

>>58963500
You forgot the "Basement Dwelling Social Reject" tier.

>>58963185
> app store
which fucking app store? if you want your questions answered you need to say?

>>58960114
Im using currently Nightly 54. Its good so far. Very fast.

>>58963185
People are probably not talking about the mobile platform primarily.

>>58963714
Then you're less likely to deal with slowdown and bad memory leaks. The current version of firefox has a problem where closed tabs will still take up memory, and it trips up if you have a lot of shit going in multiple tabs because of the way it handles temporary files now.

>>58963714
mfw i have over 40 tabs open right now

>>58963655
I personally don't like them, but they're developed by a security company and shilled by /g/'s browser charts. Which is why I posted the only chart that doesn't have them in God/excellent tier.
Anon requested "secure browsers", but I think that all modern browsers as secure enough by default and you always have µBlock origin and similar addons. Also Common Sense 2017 extension is pretty good.

>>58963733
They don't deserve the attention desu.

>>58963185
>I'd have to download it
You also download things through app store, apps don't magically appear on your device. But yes, if a browser is not available in your app store then the best places to look are offical websites, or github for FOSS, and F-Droid for android devices.

>>58963901
Sometimes I wonder what the devs are doing. They had multi-process support for some time now but haven't enabled it by default. This is the main reason I switched from Firefox to nightly a couple of weeks back as all new features seem to be enabled in nightly by default.
But yes, I'm very unlikely to encounter such a problem. Especially when nightly gets updated twice a day so the browser's process gets killed anyway.

>>58963857
Android senpai

>>58960944
it eats a lot of ram quickly, any tips on how to avoid this, using it with webengine though

>>58963500
how to disable the botnet in about:config

>>58964036
>b..but Uzbl is kinda cool

>>58963500
What ya think about Yandex browser anon?
I don't really mind the botnet meme.

>>58964535
Yandex is russian Google. So go figure.

I'm interested in Pale Moon but some people in different forums have complained about how antivirus software recognizes it as a Trojan or some shit.

Why do the people who use it trust it?
Not saying they shouldn't, just curious about why.

Thoughts on Opera?
FF is getting too shitty and the new update coming just kills it entirely
Chrome is too minimal and I don't need more google in my life.

>>58963500
Vivaldi definitely belongs on the customizable list. Not sure about K-Meleon.

Also, where would Seamonkey go on your list? Maybe lightweight since it's basically Firefox+Thunderbird+more for the memory usage of just Firefox?

I was thinking of writing a Gentoo-concept browser.

It was only a thought, though, a crappy little off-hand idea. Users would download a compiler, and they'd go through a few screens of setting off and on flags for things they need/don't need, enabling support for other such things etc etc, enabling experimental features at compilation level and all that jazz, like building the Gentoo kernel. (and portage flags)

The goal would be to give users the chance to have something that caters to their needs, if they want to take the time to fill out a heck ton of options. Certainly, there'd be support to generate options automatically (like genkernel) but it'd be recommended to go through it.

Just like Gentoo.

And I'd only really care to do it for myself, so I don't have a browser that includes a shit ton of things I don't need, hogging up the memory with crappy miscellaneous tasks in the background, or too many... just, things, in general.

But that was just a dumb little thought I had one day on the bus. Not like an assembly programmer can make that happen, I go too deep for anything to ever get completed

>>58965777
Let's crowdsource it, that can be this general's first project

I can't contribute shit to it but I'm a great ideaguy

>>58963500
>Iridium is god-tier in this list
>/g/ wiki says it's possibly a German botnet

I no longer know which memes I should listen to and which ones I should ignore.

>>58960267
since /g/ doesn't seem to like duckduckgo, is startpage or ixquick the preferred search engine?

>>58966968
I must not have been here for a while then. Just switched to duckduckgo and only heard about startpage earlier today.

>>58967000
I've seen some people claim that duckduckgo is datamining but I'm not sure if it's true or just a meme

>>58967026
I'm not super up to date but I'm sure it's better than what I've used in the past

>>58960099
Guys, get past the meme and try dwb. Is a fucking amazing web browser, comes with an adblocker ootb and dwbem is an awesome extension manager. It even support greasemonkey scripts and people made ways to import you firefox bookmarks.

>>58966346
Everything is a botnet
The key is not putting yourself all into one single botnet

>>58960267
>>58960515

Icecat has a ton of security and privacy enhancements, don't fall for the memes, chose Icecat.

>>58960114
What about addons? I use Ublock origin, https everywhere, greasemonkey, cookie destroyer (forgot exact name)?

>>58964036
Include Icecat in privacy oriented browsers and move it to god tier. When you go to their website all you see is they are autismos for privacy and security.

>>58965777
>>58966186
I like where this is going.

is "don't fall for the memes" a meme?

>>58967360
Check for Icecat, is the only fork on the list that will last. 100% compatible with current addons.

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Enthusiastic vouch for Vivaldi here.

I have used:
>Internet Explorer
>Firefox
>Chrome
>Opera
>Torch
>Edge

Torch was very nice, but a hardware-footprint nightmare.

Firefox is a requiem for a RAM stick. Same with Chrome.

Internet Explorer/Edge makes my insides hurt.

Opera was all around a pleasant experience. Would recommend.

But Vivaldi does everything I liked about the other browsers even better. The only drawbacks I've detected so far:

>no "sync your browser session/settings across the web" option (not that I've looked very hard)
>facebook runs slow after sitting open and must be refreshed several times a day
>Terminating Vivaldi while running your computer at 200% the capacity of your RAM often results in loss of session, but really, who does that but me?

The rhetoric of catering to power users is not a gimmick. Vivaldi is my waifu.

>>58965676
Because it's made by a furry and furries have never hurt anyone.

>>58967418
kek

>>58965676
Its open source. You can go check the source code if you worry about it being a virus. Also it has been stated time and time again that it is a false positive.

I decided to try out Firefox again for a few days to see if anything had changed. e10s was enabled and I had minimal addons. It was an unbearably slow and unresponsive experience.

It's not surprising to see FF market share decimated. I tried increasing dom.ipc.processCount to make it use more threads but that just made it more unresponsive in certain situations.

I really don't want to use Chrome, but the efficacy of google sync coupled with the fact it can actually make use of my i7, there's just no competition.

>>58965711
Opera is the best Chrome based browser you can get now

>buh muh Chinese
if you are really paranoid about that, then I guess is better that Chinese have your porn preferences than Google.

Is there any other browser apart from Firefox that has extended cache control? Do chrome or vivaldi allow ram caching or disabling cache completely?

>>58966186
I'll start the wiki!

>>58966346
But it's open source, isn't it? I thought it was just chromium with slower updates and privacy tweaks.

>>58960497
>Pale moon is basically firefox but with the older UI. It will also still support current extensions even when firefox switches to web extensions.
Problem with Pale Moon is the lack of multiprocess.

>>58969131
>Problem with Pale Moon is the lack of multiprocess.
As long as there are no performance issues, I don't see how it is a problem.

ungoogled chrormium with https enforcer and ublock is GOAT

>>58960926
Sadly, the problem really isn't so much the browsers.

It is simply a consequence of the modern web.

We have cramped so much shit into a system that was originally designed for static documents.

>>58966186
>>58968124
>>58967377
>>58965777
The idea of creating an official /wbg/ browser is nice but I think that going the gentoo route is a bit too deep.

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>>58967094
>>58967026
>>58967000
>>58966968

>>58970078
So maybe we should just start with an official /wbg/ browser.

>>58960099
I want to build something like a desktop gui client/web app. thoughts on Vue.js or Electron?

>>58970624
cool ty

>>58969612
Explain

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>I fell for the brave meme


>I love it

>>58971505
I want to like Brave but it's still buggy and has compatibility issues. Still no real addon support either.

Maybe one day.

>>58967400
Icecat is literally ESR with a bit of customization.

>>58963500

>Firefox
>Excellent tier

SJW trash software. Their ethics are abysmal. I'd rather have chrome.

>>58971623
The defaults are the best of any browser, I don't understand why the Chromium botnet is in god tier and Icecat is not.

>>58963500
Move Icecat to god tier.

>>58960099
I've noticed a difference in latest seamonkey and firefox:
They try to load the WHOLE page all at once before making it visible which make it look like they are lagging while they actually aren't.

>>58971749
Any way to disable this?

>>58971749
I think that's caused by shitty website design actually. Like you need some specific part of it loaded to get anything to display.

>>58963500
>>58963733
>>58964036
>>58964532
You are giving them the wrong use. Lynx and Elinks are best used for security analysts and IT professionals. Uzbl and Dillo are for embedded and low end computers. Luakit and dwb are for minimalists and productivity enthusiasts.

None of them are designed for normal use. List need an specialist class.

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Reminder to try YaCy, is a fully decentralized search engine which can be used fully anonymous. There is a Firefox addon https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/yacybar-6344/

Remember, kill Google, don't give them money.

>>58972072
>Works with Firefox 1.5 - 3.6.*

How's life in 2004?

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>>58972072

>>58972072
YaCy page suggests not to use the addon. Delete.

>>58972072
why should you trust yacy more than you trust google?

protip: you can't.

>trusting the botnet
I'd rather yacy

>>58968124
You better be serious.
>>58970078
Not so much, if its modular that will be a better paradigm than current extension based paradigm.

>>58968124
>>58972725
I'll make the logo!

>>58970078
Don't worry, we won't get past the logo.

>>58960926
qupzilla, midori, xombrero, surf

the latter two are minimalistic, so they don't have an elaborate/UI at all. but the configuration files offer a fine amount of resources in both cases.

>>58973108
Better yet:
>You have to download the source and insert all images yourself, or be happy with the default 1px transparent png
>comments are printed out in console
>Going every user search in a search engine, urlbar or search bar are directly posted in a dedicated sticky /g/ thread
>it's a windowed elinks clone

>>58960262
Just use Seamonkey

What should I use if I don't give a shit about customization and I just want a fast browser with at least SOME concern about privacy?

>>58973920
Icecat until ungoogled-chromium becomes a thing.

>>58973920
Firefox nightly

>>58973920
Pale Moon

>>58973920
Iridium

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>>58960099
dwb here, would recommend

>>58974248
Nice font rendering.

Has development for Midori died? Sad, they were most promising.

>>58974349
When was midori not shit.

>>58974489
It was always shit in that it crashed so much, but its extensibility and configuration were very good.

>>58972072
>is a software on your own computer
>but mostly other people's
>don't give money to botnet google
>look how independent we are by connecting everybody in this web of autonomy

>>58974905
>can be use independently
>can download database to pre-fetch
>complaining this much

>>58973108
until the project gets picked up by NASA

>>58969586
Despite E10s not being perfect, it's still a lot better than not being multiprocess. One tab crashing shouldn't make all of the tabs crash.

Is Chromium secure and stable?
I would probably use it just for gmail, Facebook, banking and other normie shit.

>>58975705
It's botnet, go for ungoogled-chromium.

>>58975972
Is Iridium ungoogled?

>>58976000
Yes

Anyone have issues with latest Ghostery on FF51? it drives my browser nuts and it uses shitton of CPU and also lags the whole thing even with e10s whenever I open a new tab

>>58973920
one of these:
>>58974000
>>58974055

Firefox Nightly?
Won't even install, due to a key management issue!

>>58978257
what distro are you running? Arch?

What information does Nightly collect about me, and should I care about it?

>>58970624
saved

>>58960099

Can I get some quick advice?

A couple of days ago every time i boot up firefox and do a google search, it gets redirected to a Bing search... I've gone into the setting and made sure everything is set for google and even removed Bing from the search engine list.. uninstalled and reinstalled but the issue still remains..

My virus program doesn't find anything ( Using Trend micro wich is upto date ( It came with the comp I didn't choose it)).

Is there a easy way to find out/fix what is wrong without downloading some random 3rd party program that claims a free trail to get rid of a browser re-direct?

Why exactly are people throwing a pissy fit about Firefox and calling it SJW?
I'm out of the loop but I can't help but imagine it's something retarded.

>>58979931
What OS? And you probably did but you checked all your addons right?

>>58960262
Whatever you consider you'll come back.

They all do.

>>58979971
Is just one guy, Firefox is fine.

I don't get why FF performance took a massive tumble with either v42 or v43 (on XP, at least), maybe because plugin-container couldn't be disabled anymore?

But it's also on sites like 4chan without using plugins!
I went back to v41 just to test and difference is like day and night so I run that with sandboxie and probably will forever.

>>58979977
Windows 10.

And yeah, None of the add-ons/extensions show an option for a bing redirect.

>>58980090
>on XP
>I went back to v41 just to test and difference is like day and night so I run that with sandboxie and probably will forever.

You might as well use Windows 3.1 and Mosaic.

>>58980093
>>58980093
when I had Windows 10 I had something similar happen to me but with chrome and Yahoo instead of firefox and Bing, I think it ended up being some extension that wasn't obviously related but I didn't recognize it so deleted it and it worked

hope you figure it out anon I know how annoying it is

>>58960262
For the average user there is literally zero difference, other than the browser is named something else, and has quite a few more bugs.

>>58979270
You can disable telemetry completely through the settings.

I'm sure this is a retarded question, but how do I stop Seamonkey from opening new windows when I open new tabs?
I'm using it for the first time.

>>58969612
/thread

Why does firefox shit itself whenever I do anything that involves flash?

what about opera 44? y/n?
>inb4 opera12

>>58984586
it is the best browser available

>>58976126
>Ghostery
>acquired by a pro-Jewish company
and nothing of value is lost

>>58984168
>2017
>flash
Stop

>>58984168
Flash died over 4 years ago, grandpa.

>>58985934
not when you watch porn

>>58987562
What outdated sites are you watching shit on?

>>58987562
You should especially uninstall Flash and block it completely if you watch porn...
Every major porn shit uses HTML5 now if you don't have flash anyway.

>memory leaks out the ass
>crashes after a couple hours of use

what happened to Pale Moon ?

>>58987723
Never happened to me.

Why can't I get videos to stream in chromium it is either blank or starts to download

>>58987781
>works on my machine :^)

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Iridium or ungoogled chromium?

>>58988605
Both suck, but ungoogled is infant.

>>58988708
>Both suck

How so?

UNPOPULAR OPINION TIME:
Microsoft Edge is good.

I've mostly switched to GNU/Linux but still have one laptop with Windows 10 on it and literally the only bad thing about Microsoft Edge is that it doesn't play Webms out of the box.

>>58992057
Well, yeah. Why cant it play webms, btw? Microsoft too poor to implement em?

>>58990163
Normal chromium is better for performance, but Iridium is the next best thing as it promises to deliver anti-tracking settings.
Un-googled chromium is very slowly updated.

>>58992057
I unironically like dwb and wish it were more popular :\