/pcbg/ - PC Building General

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Kaby Lake has been released! Skylake is depreciated if corresponding chips are similarly priced (e.g., i5 7600K vs i5 6600K)!
>Some motherboards will have a one-click, 5GHz on air OC button that works for 80% of i5 7600Ks
>Z series chipsets have an "Enhanced Turbo", which allows all cores to run at the highest single core boost clockspeed (works for Skylake CPUs as well)
>Pentiums now have hyperthreading, and are thus the new default budget / entry level gaming CPUs
>Pentium G4560 is the best price / perf four thread CPU on a modern platform
>All Kaby Lake CPUs work natively with 2400MHz DDR4 memory
>Do not underestimate the impact of fast (>2400, e.g, 3000MHz) RAM in conjunction with a Z series chipset, which often provides as much of a performance boost as a CPU overclock

>>58607237
>tfw bought g4400 in december
fuck

>>58607206
>>58607237
>unironically shilling for Kelvin Lake
S A G E
A
G
E

>>58607237
>Skylake is depreciated if corresponding chips are similarly priced

I just bought a 6700k for $80 less than the cheapest 7700k available here. Bite me.

>>58607206
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zTrmQV

Kaby Lake i5-i7 lineup is dogshit.

But considering the Pentium lineup is great, entry level Ryzen is DOA.

>>58607237
>no mention of Xeon E3 v6
Kill yourself senpai

>>58607310
Drop the MSI gaming bullshit

Get an ASrock Z170

>>58607330
I doubt they'll have a 2/4 Ryzen CPU.

I think they're covering for the middle range.

Also, I'm a bit pissed that my i3-6100 is now dogshit with the G4560/G4600 out now, considering performance is almost the same.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YVJkzM


How is this?
Any suggestions to this low end workstation?

>>58607373
i3-6100 still has AVX and AVX2 instructions enabled, making them far better for heavy application and workload. Much to my dismay, I've discovered how crap the Pentium G4600 is as a headless VM server over the i3-7100T.

>>58607365
>MSI gaming bullshit
It's not about brand or xd gayming, it's cheap and has USB 2.0 rear I/O ports, which I need. Couldn't find any on the AsRock Z170s at the same price point

>>58607485
But USB 3.0 ports are reverse-compatible

>>58607399
>spending more on the mobo then on the CPU
>DDR3

>>58607500
Not when installing Win7 from USB, which is what I'm doing since I'm not gonna drop $80+ on fucking Botnet10

>>58607399
Just fucking wait for Ryzen. It's not that far off, ffs

>>58607399
First of all, OpenCL is shit.

Second of all, you're using an outdated processor with DDR3.

Get a Quadro K620 and an i5 skylake, or wait to see if Intel brings out something better in Kaby Lake.

>>58607266
Sorry m8, I tried to warn people to hold off for the hyperthreaded Kaby Lake Pentiums, but I fell off for a bit and retards took over the thread

>>58607308
Flash your mobo with the Kaby Lake update so that you can use the Enhanced Turbo on your CPU

>>58607330
>Kaby Lake i5-i7 lineup is dogshit.
It's slightly better than Skylake, retard.

>>58607399
As I said in the previous thread, it's shit.

>>58607310
Get a 240GB SSD
Consider Kaby Lake

>>58607206
>Win7 and 8.1 cannot be installed on a Kaby Lake system
Lies. You can install them, but you won't be able to use features on Kaby Lake that require windows 10.

>>58607521

They are, just use a usb2.0 stick lol.

>>58607581
Forgot to show what I purchased, but I already have the 120gb: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kwm33F

Also
>Consider Kaby Lake
I'm going to be using Win7, so Kaby isn't an option.

>>58607521
Look up your motherboard manufacturer driver website, often times they have a program to help you slipstream drivers in your win7 install.

>>58607581
Well the Kaby Lake lineup is rather underwhelming, I was expecting significant improvements in the i5-i7 range, like what intel did with the Xeon.

>>58607595
You can't install without some serious hassle. Even Skylake was a bitch with Win7. At this point there aren't any guides for Kaby that I've seen.

Anyway GNU/Linux with a Win7 VM is the way to go if you want Win7

>>58607567
>>58607504
>>58607543

Alright so you´re saying I should not get a W7000?
I can get one for 200 euros

>>58607648
>I was expecting significant improvements in the i5-i7 range
You and literally no one else. Everyone knew that the i5 and i7s were just a refresh. Your unrealistic expectation doesn't make the CPUs are shit

>>58607606
When installing Win7 through USB on Z170 boards, there's issues with the USB 3.0 ports that can only be addressed after the installation

>>58607609
>And which mass market ATX boards come with two or more Ethernet ports
Look for $160+ motherboards, particularly B150, Q170, H170, Z170, C232, and C236 motherboards. There are quite a few of them that offer an additional i219 or i210 NIC for port teaming and failovers.
Like I said, my Xeon D-1518 motherboard has two i210AT NICs, which are additional individual controllers on the motherboard's PCB, but it is a server chipset that does away with large aftermarket-style heatsinks everywhere for space efficiency.
>that's saying Kaby lake has better audio
There are no audio controllers on the CPU itself, moron.
>8 phases and 6 VRMs is totally using up the extra 2 inches that ATX has while even ITX boards have had 10+2 for 5 years
Name more than one ITX motherboard with that many powerphases and doesn't use a daughterboard. Space is still at a premium on mATX motherboards, which is why many Z-chipset mATX boards have less than 6 power phases.
>I'm sorry you buy shit boards and complain when they're shit
I don't pay for them, my clients do. And I haven't had a shitty board that didn't come from MSI or Biostar in ages.
>>58607663
I've had little to no problem with ASRock boards, which is great because their customer service and tech support is fucking atrocious to deal with. I'd rate it the same as Gigabyte in quality, but with redeeming quirks.

>>58607683
It is a size restriction as well. To fit that NIC, they had to either remove or place components to make it fit. The problem with NICs is that they need to be within close proximity to the port itself.

>>58607727
Don't get any AMD card for a workstation, CUDA is superior. Also get a DDR4 compatible mobo+cpu

>>58607206
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/B8rmQV
Rate my LAN machine.

>>58607781
I commented on it in the last thread. It's shit for various reasons

>>58607781
what games are you going to play?

>>58607795
mostly esports.

>>58607811
are you planning to use a case with it?

>>58607811
also, the GTX 1050 Ti/RX 460 is enough for esports games

>>58607820
Yeah, the Node 202

>>58607850
Here you go: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/9pF4JV
Includes price of the case, has a better mobo with onboard wifi, the GPU is enough for esports games

>>58607781
Swap out that i3 for a g4560

use the stock cooler

H110 should suffice

Use only one-DIMM ram

Everything else is good, and get a case

>>58607871
oh, and it's cheaper than the one you originally listed

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vyL4JV is this build any good? I dont know shit about pcs.

>>58607937
what are you planning on doing with it?

What about server building, can that be discussed here?

>>58607652
>Even Skylake was a bitch with Win7
Except it isn't, not with slipstreaming drivers being supported by mobo manufacturers themselves.

>GNU/Linux with a Win7 VM is the way to go if you want Win7
GPU passthrough is superior.

>>58607956
Gaming and some video editing

>>58607878
>H110 should suffice
Not with a Kaby Lake CPU retard. How are you going to flash the BIOS?

>>58607937
Lordy, what is with these retards pairing 100 series chipsets with Kaby Lake CPUs?

>>58607968
Yes
Flummox these /v/irgins

>>58607976
this is better suited for your needs: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nWPKkT

>>58607937
>K processor
>B150 motherboard
no

>>58607978
What chipset should I use?

>>58607999
don't go kaby lake at all. see this: >>58607993

>>58607993
Thanks
>>58608012

>Asrock Fatal1ty Z270-ITX is finally available
>245€

jesus christ what the fuck
Can I order stuff from amazon US if I live in Europe? It's supposed to be 180 USD there

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jH97yf

i3-2100/8GB/6850-1GB redux

burn me pcbg.

>>58608012
whats wrong with kaby lake?

>>58607978
H110 works with Kaby Lake you fucking sperg

>>58608042
literally nothing unless you already have sky lake, he's just saying to not go with kaby lake because it's not compatible with that mobo out of the factory

>>58608042
Cost more for insignificant performance increase. Not compatible with Windows 7/8, forcing you to use Botnet 10. Not worth it

>>58608061
Also this. You have to go through more trouble to use it with 100 series motherboards, which are cheaper than 200 series.

>>58608063
>>58608061
So would a skylake i7 be compatible with the mobo?

>>58608063
>Cost more
it costs the same and it's better
so unless people are autistic like you and complain about "muh botnet", there is no reason not to choose a kaby lake on a new build

>>58608103
>it costs the same

No it doesn't.

>>58608080
Just use Q-flash plus

>>58608094
Yes, but for "Gaming and some video editing" an i5 should be fine

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>>58608103
Do you know basic arithmetic?

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Looking for a ~550Euros build without the case and PSU. Need to have a good upgrade path, but I wanna see if it is possible to overclock non-K Kaby Lake. Don't know which motherboard to chose tho, just picked cheapest Z270 with ASRock Hyper BCLK Engine II to have some idea what I can spend. The CPU is basically a placeholder for an upgrade when I earn/save for it and find a good deal.

My approach to this non-K OC thing is:
If it works - GREAT!;
if it doesn't - at least I have got a good board for a future upgrade


I am learning programming, photo and video editing - In that order, already know some basics about some of those, just want to step up my game. My laptop died so I had to switch to my old computer (C2D E8500, 4GB DDR3, GTX 550Ti) wich does hinder my progress.


Prices are from mindfactory.de

>>58608103
>not wanting your info to be sold out to advertisers
>autistic
fucking mongoloid

>>58608049
Not out of the box, retard. You have to flash the BIOS, which you can't do without a Skylake CPU installed in the socket, unless you have a gigabyte board.

Don't talk about shit you don't know

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/MCH4JV
How is this for a 1000$ CAD 1080p gaming and light workstation rig?

>>58608178
just go with a 1050 Ti. other than that, seems fine

>>58608162
>6$

>>58608187
you know you can turn all of that off, right?

>>58608030
>euro
cuck

>>58608162
Apparently you don't, because it's a 1.5% price increase for 5% stock performance increase with a chance for a higher OC.

>>58608178
If you're getting a Z270, get 3000MHz RAM

>>58608215
Holy shit, use a 200 series chipset. Just because the socket is the same does not mean that it will work out of the box.

>>58608245
>just turn it off
the extra work just to use kaby lake on a 100 series mobo without getting spied upon is really worth that performance increase that is only noticeable in benchmarks?

>>58608049
>>58608187
>>58608191
are you people 12 years old? Why are you so angry?

>>58607990
Okay, I already posted this in the /sqt/, but since I have no experience with anything server related, I'll ask here as well.

How do I set up a server for a smal bussines (needs VMware ESXi, a NAS hard drive, for 12 workstations (2GB RAM, 500gb HDD) and 2 graphic workstations)?

As in, what components are good, how do I set it up, past just assembling it?

>>58608215
either get a skylake cpu or a 200 series board

>>58608215

you'd want 2400mhz RAM for design programs, and 16gb of it

>>58608245
>implying the off button does anything

>>58608273
You have a boipussy instead of testicles? Dealing with fucking morons (>>58608049) who spout shit like they know what they're talking about produces righteous anger

>>58608268
>apparently you don't, blah blah blah
we're not talking price/perf, we're talking just simply price. it is cheaper, not including cheaper 100 series mobos

>>58608310
this.
>>58608273
go back to >>>/y/ if you want a peaceful, loving environment

>>58608272
obviously if it's on a 100 series mobo you're better off getting a skylake, that's not what I was talking about. If it's a new build with a new 200 mobo you wouldn't pay the same amount for something inferior

I mean you would but normal non-autistic people wouldn't and have no reason to either

What kind of performance can I expect from a pc with the budget of $650? I want a sort of console killer, so it'll be playing on a TV, and have a Micro ATX case. Not really looking for future proofing, just for gaming on a 47" 1080p/120Hz TV with games like GTA V, Civilization VI, and such. I live in the USA

>>58608178
>Z270
For what fucking purpose?

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>>58608310
>>58608328
>americans

>>58608348
>$650
Save another check or two, kid.

>>58608351
He probably won't be using pentium for the whole life

>>58608041
no

>>58608268


Will do.

>>58608234

If I am going to listen to the advice above and go with 3000MHz RAM, dropping down to 1050Ti will make a room in the budget for it.

But, besides that, mind telling me why to go with nvidia? RX470 is just 20 more euros expensive and offers more than enough performance to justify those extra monies. I haven't owned an AMD card since HD3850.

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>>58608312
>Cost more for insignificant performance increase.
That was your original statement. Quite literally a price/perf comparison, retard.

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>>58608331
>pay the same for something inferior
that statement would be true if reality matched your imagination

I want to build gaming pc for Dota2 and Bf1 https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GVyVbj

>>58608399
>>58608389

fucking a you idiots. create a different thread so you can hatefuck each other all you want.

>>58608380
I misread and thought you said the GPU was just a placeholder. My bad. Other than that, the GPU choice depends on what you plan on playing.

>>58608380
Keep the 470. 3000MHz RAM is only 10euros more expensive

>>58608348
A good one. But Civ6 is not a couch game.
http://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/V9hMpg

>>58608399
you're really focused on winning this argument here aren't you?

>>58608422
go back to where you belong: >>>/y/
>>58608439
yeah, I have nothing better to do atm

>>58608367

Exactly for that reason. It is going out as soon as possible which will be around Q4 2017 in my predictions. If I get to overclock the Pentium in the meantime, it would be great.

kaby lake is best lake

>>58608367
Sure but it will probably be the same fuckery Intel did with Skylake, new features require a new gen mobo.

>>58608448
don't you have school tomorrow for fuck's sake

Someone should add that to the sticky, especially for new builders.

Any motherboard with a Kaby Lake CPU besides Z270 will require a flash before using. It's tiring to see you manchildren drown out people looking for help because they're not in the know.

>>58608462
>If I get to overclock the Pentium in the meantime, it would be great
From what i've read this is not possible anymore with Kaby Lake Pentiums as it was with Skylake ones.

>>58608288
>>58608268
Well shit, I'm a fucking idiot. Here's the new mobo: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132947&nm_mc=AFC-C8JunctionCA&cm_mmc=AFC-C8JunctionCA-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=10592396&PID=3938566&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_source=afc-%zn
Would you recommend I get this or should I just get the old Mobo and a Skylake CPU?

>>58608586
what about other 200 series ?

>>58608604
yeah you're better off with that one

>>58608427

Okay, gotcha. I don't game much, mostly older games when I do play. As far as the newer titles are concerned I just wanna play Andromeda when it comes out. It is going to have requirements similar to those of Battlefield 4, by my predictions.

>>58608433

Makes sense, will do.


>>58608589


It is really difficult to find actual info on the internet. If it works, it will be great, if it doesn't - fuck it. Basically, there is nothing to lose and a lot to gain if it works.

>>58608505
yeah, I have a fitness course at 7:30, but I finished the rest of my work. College is a bitch. I spend my weekends shitposting on /g/

>>58608728
>goes out of his way to mention he's in college
>fitness course
you are clearly underage, what are you trying to accomplish? You know you're anonymous here, don't you?

Currently on a budget right now and I pretty much have an outdated build, hoping to upgrade my gaming pc by the time I finish the semester.

>CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 960T Black Edition
>Mobo: ASRock 970 Extreme4
>Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 612 v2
>Ram: G.SKILL Ripjaws (4x2gb) 1600 Mhz
>GPU: Zotax GTX 1050 Ti
>PSU: Corsair TX850W
>Case: Cooler Master Haf 932

So I hope to have a $200-$350 budget by the end of the semester and I pretty much want to upgrade everything except the GPU and the PSU.

I'm from the Philippines though so I won't be able to get ones from newegg or amazon due to shipping costs.

>If you guys are wondering why my PSU is a bit too overkill, it's because I used to have a crossfire HD 6970 setup.

>>58608728
>fitness course
>not lifting
Take your aerobic crossfit shit somewhere else, faggot.
>>>/lgbt/

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>>58608776
There aren't fitness courses in college? Wtf have I been taking then?

>>58608843
Took weight training last semester, also lift at the gym on days off

>>58608832
kaby lake motherboard + cpu + 8gb single channel ram is the best you can do and basically the only thing to change, after that when you have some money saved up you can change the case cooler or whatever else that can be changed one by one, but cpu,mobo and ram will be a single purchase

>>58608407
Bump, anyone can help me?

>>58608832
If you can use an FX8350, get that for now. If you're not planning to get anything new for a few months, come back and ask again later.

>>58608285
please help

Hey guys.

I think my mobo is going to the shit so I need a new one. I'm in the UK. I mainly use it for vidya but I'm not massively into modern games so I just need something that is going to get the job done. My current one is an msi z87-G45, can I get a recommendation on a replacement.

Also might as well also ask this. I have a 770 and I'd like some more power but I can't justify upgrading. Would it be worth picking up another 770 used for a boost or should I just ditch the card. Would I need to get the EXACT same card or does it just need to be a 770?

>>58608917
It's absolute shit and you have no idea of what you're doing.

>>58608917
you're a complete retard

>>58608407
>>58608917
hilarious build tbqh

>>58608936
>not massively into modern games
>770 isn't powerful enough
doesn't add up, 770 is powerful enough for most non recent games at 1080@60 maybe not at max settings though
If you really don't need much power, the G4560, new kabylake pentium is really solid budget choice

>>58608407
This better be bait
>top of the line i7 k
>non 200 series mobo with no oc
>shittest DDR4 money can buy
>shitty graphics card compared to CPU
>square screen

I'm new at this and I know better

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/p9KqWX

Thoughts on this one? trying to get a budget gaming pc under 1000AUD. My standards aren't high because I've been using an Aspire 5750 for gaming for 6 years now. It's that low.

As for cooler, I got an Evo 212 somewhere else ready to be bought.

>>58609067
>not mentioning 90$ windows 8.1

>>58608919
I was kinda hoping for something upgradable

>>58608911
Is the budget enough for an overclocking mobo + K procie? Since i dont want to just leave or sell my cooler

>>58609067

I followed parts guide. Best CPU and GPU, why big mo-bo? And the case was recommended <a href="https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352020">here</a>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDCeLng44l0

>>58608407
>>58608917
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hHgzCy
Also, fuck your peripherals. Keyboard is overpriced as shit and there's cheaper good wireless mice out there, even from Logitech themselves. And wtf is that monitor? Jesus Christ, I'm at a loss for words

>>58609127
>non overclocked CPUs don't benefit from a cooler
No you don't have a budget for that

>>58609069
This is absolutely retarded m8.

When you guys buy your computers, do you buy everything all at once or do you buy it piece by piece?

I bought a case to house some components given to me, and I'd like to start buying new components to replace them. but I just keep putting together list after list on PCPP and changing my mind.

Right now my build is sitting at about 1800, and while I can afford to buy it outright, I'd rather wait while prices rise and drop. But it's so hard to just think of how nice it will be to put it all together.

>>58609169
wtf why? its missing only cooler which i can add later and core i5 comes with intel hd graphics 530 which i have to make do for now

>>58609192
>ddr3 skylake build
>$H1T4L1TY

>>58609069

you're not going to be able to play much without a dedicated graphics card. but jeez I do feel bad for pc enthusiasts down under. I was thinking you should swap out that board for one with integrated wifi and the cheapest one was like $400

>>58609192
also
>hybrid drive

>>58609192
>https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/p9KqWX
>6400 has shit value
>DDR3 Skylake
>H170 FATALITY
>Housefire™ Corsair™ PSU
>overpriced 22" monitor
>no SSD
If you can't put those pieces together in your head, with all honesty, get a prebuilt.

I'd gotten some tips from a couple of friends a few months ago, but I'd like to know if this build is fine for playing current games at max (like GTA V, Dark Souls 3, Watch Dogs 1) and for playing games at least on High for the next 5+ years. I gotta have the case though.

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/hyJwzM

>>58609226

what's wrong with hybrid drives?

>>58609301
what's right with them ?

>>58609137
What parts guide?

>>58609248
>SSD
I can't afford a SSD off the bat, I have to save up to get it then I can use the HDD as secondary drive for media
>PSU
What's wrong with it
>I5-6400
Find me a better one that's not AMD
>DDR3 RAM
Like I said, if its compatible, i'll use it. It only has to be better than my laptop, which is 4GB DDR3-1333.
>Motherboard
What's wrong with it?

>>58609283
Case is shit, you should go with the NZXT S340 Elite. Just saying

>>58609283
>140$ Win7

>>58609226
I need space for value. Then when I get SSD, it will be a media drive

>>58609311
Faster than HDDs, much cheaper than SSDs (albeit slower). Check out the SeaGate FireCuda 2TB SSHD, it's $99.

>>58609321
6500 you idiot
>ddr3 it's compatible
Nigger choose a proper motherboard that supports ddr4 and buy ddr4 ram, what the fuck is wrong with you
>>58609343
So buy a proper HDD

>>58609192
>intel hd graphics 530
>gaming pc

What are you going to play at 1080p without a discrete GPU, fucking minesweeper?

Ditch the retarded mobo for something cheap but reliable (your non-k i5 doesn't care), ditch the fulltower for a S340 and use the money to get a cheap discrete GPU (or get a cheaper CPU and a better discrete GPU, today's vidya is almost always GPU bound).
Get either 2x4 or 2x8 GB DDR4.
Also hybrid drives are shit.

>>58609311

they can cache boot files so you get much faster speeds than just loading from a standard HDD.

>>58609283
You could drop to a 550w supernova and if you could spare the extra cash, get a gtx 1070. Pirate windows 7.

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r8 me bois.

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>>58609321
See, that's why i told you to get a prebuilt. You are too stupid to comprehend even the basic shit.
You're also a lazy fuck. Get our of here, faggot.

>>58609355
Please stop spoonfeeding that retarded ausfag.

>>58607521
>>58607630
THIS.

I fucking spend all day trying to install from USB before I remembered I had to do this shit.

>>58607749
>>58607972

>>58609389
>storage
>111gb
>Kingston
>SV300
wew lad

>>58609382
this, this, and again this.

>>58609376
Did you even read first post I made? My standards were low because I always play on lowest resolution with a HD graphics 3000. 3000.

And look, im not touting 530 as good for gaming, but its definitely better than the 3000. And first chance i can get dedicated video card, ill grab it straight away

>>58608285
>12 workstations
What sort of work will they be doing?
>2 graphics workstation
Same question. You might be better off with a dedicated machine for the both of them.

>>58609376

hey dickbag, why not channel that hate and do something productive with it.

>>58609069

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/gfbw8K
this should be much more in line with what you're looking for.

>>58609355
>>58609397
you two are still at it? Go to bed, don't be so angry

>>58608359
What the fuck is wrong with that kid? He's going to grow up to be a school shooter one day, I can guarantee it.

>>58609283
>>58609382
>>58609409
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/CGCDhq

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Think about taking out the meme gpu for a 480 8gb, thoughts? How's my build besides the gpu.

>>58609433
That's fine but if you're planing on overclocking then it wouldn't be a bad idea to bump back to a 650w supernova

>>58607206
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kfckzM

posting my cheap build from last night

>>58609417
Considerable. Thanks.

Only a fair bit concerned about the case. Is it easily upgradable using that case or do i want to get another thats like mid or full?

>>58609488
Hard to say if that case is really what you want because that's on you.

What do you want to add to your computer in the future?

>>58609475
>changing the same generation GPU
how I envy you retards with too much money
At least wait for something new

>>58609484
I posted the link, but I'm not the original faggot. I'm pretty sure 200W is enough headroom for OC

>>58609488

mid/full ATX cases are really only necessary if you're running multiple GPUs or need several hard drive slots. if you just want something to game with, then ITX is the best way to go

>>58609510
I mean I can tell that rig is going to do me a good time plenty, thats for sure. But for instance if i want to get a i7-6700/k plus cooler and something like GTX 1080, then idk maybe I want a mid or full case. Maybe new mobo too.

Sorry for this, I'm very new to this pc building shit and its fine with you guys having all the flame for me. I just want some help.

>>58609514
idk of I have hope for vega.

>>58609539
There's also aesthetics to keep in mind, though. I'm halfway through my build, and decided to switch from ITX to ATX simply because the S340 Elite came out. Hands down, best looking case on the market in my humble, entirely subjective opinion.

>>58609572

like this? same case

https://pcpartpicker.com/b/Xtm8TW

>>58609582
You should wait for Vega either way cause prices will drop a bit.

>>58609539
What if i want to upgrade like >>58609572
plus ram?

Would ITX still be able to fit all that

>>58609598
Good point

>>58609539
ehh ITX has it's faults
mATX mobo and case is the biggest you should go with 1(you can even run 2 easily if you want) and ~2 HDD though
Hell my mATX case has space for 2 HDDs and 3 SATA SSDs + however many you slots you have for m.2 and pci SSDs

>>58609586
>S340
basically the same fridge as my Define Mini C desu

>>58609475
Good built, only swap the GPU if you really feel like you need to, otherwise it's wasted money. Can't tell you anything about HSF, PSU, etc. though.

>>58609487
Decent, but see if you can fit this in: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FvrmQV

>>58609586

>paid opinion
considering you've said that like 3 times in this one thread

anyways, here's an ITX with hard-lined watercooling too.
https://pcpartpicker.com/b/QdQV3C

>>58609414
Workstations for general office work and the graphics workstations for making 3D animations.

I'm not the most experienced with this sort of thing but I have a question and Googling hasn't helped me, and I'm not sure how retarded this is going to come off as, but -

If I have an "Asus 970 Pro Gaming" motherboard, would I also need to buy a proper 7.1 soundcard in order to actually use a 7.1 surround sound system, or does this motherboard already support that?

>>58609624
I have a Evga 600B psu, a cm hper 212 evo, Corsair Carbide Series 100R Silent Edition case and I added 2 thermatlake fans, not sure the model number off the top of my head.

>>58609599
https://pcpartpicker.com/builds/by_part/6wR48d#c=15,185,278,184,200,275&g=170,168,138

here are some builds running strong chips and big cards in the same case.

now if you wanted to go with SLI/crossfire in the future, then you'd want a mid or full tower.

>>58609625
>reeeeee shills
not everything has to be a witch hunt, calm down. If I was shilling, I would say shit like "it's better cause this and this" not just "I like the way it looks." Obtain some critical thinking skills, would you? I like ITX cases too, though. Fractal Design Nano S, the one you listed, SilverStone RVZ02B (albeit more of an HTPC case)...

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>>58609572
That case doesn't look like it has room for a big cooler especially with the PSU over the CPU socket. With ITX builds, you really have to know what you want to put in it beforehand because it's costlier to upgrade things.

If you're concerned about upgradability but still want compactness, there's always microATX.

If you still want to go for an ITX build, you could try looking at cases like the Core 500 or the Node 304, or go even larger with the NZXT Manta and Enthoo Evolv ITX. I have a Node 304 with an ASUS Z170I PRO GAMING motherboard and it can fit an okay size GPU and an NH-U14S along with 4 hard drives comfortably.

>>58609681
That PSU isn't really for your kind of build, i've gotten a SeaSonic G or EVGA G2/3, but other than that it's fine.

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>>58609678

>>58609630
>the graphics workstations for making 3D animations.
Are there any CPU-offloading features their programs can take advantage of? CUDA accelerated? OpenGL? etc
I can tell you that something like the Xeon D-1518 fits the bill for those workstation (an 8-core Xeon D-1541 is probably a bit better for the task and gives you room to add more virtual machines in the future without worrying about CPU wait times). Those two workstations will need more power than that, probably a six-core or greater machine each.

>>58609733
Ya I guess so, it was on sale when I built so i'll consider upgrading it too later then.

>>58609723

you can find fans that lie flat, or liquid cooling.

>>58609754
That info is the only that's presented to me, sorry.

>>58609734
Am I supposed to get a 'no' from the fact that it says "stereo playback output" - or, am I meant to get a 'yes' from the fact that it's 8-channel?
I'm far less technologically literate than I thought I was.

>>58609619
>Define Mini C
not really: can fit ATX motherboards, tempered glass window (reee gaymer/ricer who needs to look inside, blah blah blah), has that nifty magnetic headphones rest thing, etc. Not saying the Define Mini C is inferior, I actually like Fractal's Define series, was considering getting the Nano S myself.

>>58609809

yes. 8 channels for 7+1 speakers

>>58609856
Awesome, thanks.
It was either this or buying a cheaper motherboard with a soundcard that would have ultimately cost me a lot more just to be able to properly use the unnecessary 7.1 headset that I bought years ago.

>>58609807
Then I can't help you on those two workstations. The other 12 would be best served with a motherboard like this
http://b2b.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=5723&kw=MB10-DS31.0#ov
(with 2 SFP+ 10Gbps ports, modules not included)
http://b2b.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=5449#ov
(same, but without the two SPF+ ports)
http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/D/X10SDV-TLN4F.cfm
(with 2 10GbE RJ45 ports)
http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/D/X10SDV-8C_-LN2F.cfm
(same as above, but without the 2 10GbE ports)
and a six-core option
http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/D/X10SDV-6C_-TLN4F.cfm
Which is hard as balls to find stocked anywhere, so you're much better off with the 8-core variants

They all only have one 16 lane PCIe slot, so you're kind of limited with what you can add onto these boards, but there are other options from Supermicro that include a built-in LSI HBA adapter for up to four additional HD-SAS ports.

>>58609624
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FvrmQV
its a little over my budget but i will see if i can do it

>>58609912
>7.1 headset
wew lad, I thought you were talking about a proper 7.1 setup, not that shit, it's also USB connected, no ? So it doesn't matter at all
Also it is shit, you've made mistakes, but after that one breaks or you get rid of it somehow, don't even buy non stereo headphones and never buy a headset

>>58609985
This. Check out some /hpg/ threads on here as well, they help out a bunch.

>>58609976
try going for a pentium
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6Wx2BP

What should I be looking into if I want to run CAD/CAM and simulation software? I'm currently in a position where I'm making more money than I'm spending, but ideally I don't want to spend much more than $500 on a computer right now.

QUESTION.

I have some cans of compressed air for dusting. I want to clean my pc but these cans occasionally spit out that liquid inside it that dries up quickly, would it fuck up my mother board or other components?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jRZFHN

Sfter a lot of hate in these threads I think I've just about gotten down my perfect build.

Some of my reasoning behind the parts
7700k/1080 - Why not? Go big or go home
Asus Z270 TUF - It's one of the cheaper 270 boards that isn't black and red. Plus it has reinforced connections for big GPUs and 6 SATA slots for multiple hard drives
Seagate HDD - not only cheaper than the comparable WD 2TB 7200rpm drives, but has better performance
Cooler Master case - easy to remove and add drive space when necessary, and plenty of room to add in anything. Also, I already own it.
Blue fans - because I'm an adult and that's what adults can do
Fan controller - the motherboard doesn't give the option to turn the fans off completely, which I wanted to have

>>58610046
ill stick with the i3 i can get 480 bucks or the original plan for 417

https://patriotmemory.com/product/hellfire-m-2-solid-state-drives/
what the hell is this and why is it faster and cheaper than 960 EVO

>>58610141

make sure the PC is off and has been discharged and you'll be fine. no electricity = no short

>>58610141
if its liquid yes it can

hey lads. back again. how about now?

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/Xtw7yf

>>58610249
bad motherboard, shitty processor

>>58610249
A Z170 board doesn't make sense for that processor.

No SSD? What you could do is live with just an SSD for a while until you can get the money for a hard drive.

200R is okay, but it's a really barebones case.

Find a wifi adapter with ac, or just have it on the motherboard.

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/nwMw8K

>>58610313
other anon recommended me 6100 before. I don't know whats wrong with motherboard this time ( i really am unfamiliar with motherboard)

>>58610249

looks great. but in order to overclock that i3 you would want a cpu cooler

>>58610320
what goes with Z170 then?

>>58610313

go into AUD and build one for less than $1000

>>58610188
You posted nearly the same build last night and it's still crap.
>>58610345
Z170 is for "K" processors like the 6600K or the 7600K.

>>58610249
it's probably a bit cheaper to use a z270 mobo paired with a pentium g4560

>>58610320

you can overclock the i3 to over 4ghz with a z170 motherboard

Can I disable the telemetry botnet in Nvidia's drivers?

>>58610363
Isn't that Kaby lake?

>>58610373
so really, is the i3 fine with the Z170 mobo? As long as it works. Otherwise ill swap

>>58610392
yes
basically same performance as the processor you chose but for 1/3 the price
a z270 mobo will cost a little more but you might end up saving money. And it'll give you room to a future CPU upgrade if you want, plus getting all the features of the z270 over the z170 (which aren't many but newer is always better than older)

>>58610358
>still crap
Go fuck yourself

also

http://wccftech.com/review/intel-i3-6100-overclocking-worth/

>4.5ghz overclock
>on par with a 4690

>>58610466
Well i dont think ill ever do a complete overhaul upgrade so if i have a good motherboard and case in terms of size/upgradability then im good with that.

Will check out the Z270. thanks anon

I'm in trouble, my i5 2500k and motherboard are 5 years old.

my motherboard has been failing, fails to keep time and date even after replacing the CMOS battery.

so I'm thinking of keeping the CPU and replacing the motherboard, but I haven't looked at any parts since I bought it. turns out, no one sells LGA1155 chipset motherboards anymore.

what do I do! I don't want to get rid of a good CPU.

>>58609389
get a hard disk for mass storage nigger.
that or a hybrid drive

>>58610563
Try and find a used motherboard, what else is there to do?

>>58610598
at this rate I'll probably just wait until the motherboard itself dies

>>58610349
Should I pay for it too?

>>58610609
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=lga155&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xlga1155.TRS0&_nkw=lga1155&_sacat=0

dude

>>58610636

If you're a nice guy, yes.

>>58610563
>>58610609
Newegg has some, probably doesnt have what you want however.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100007627%20600093976

>>58610466
back

how about now anon?
https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/7zK2BP

I did found a store that sells G4560 for around $80 AUD so ill check it out

>>58610656
>>58610641
okay what happens exactly when I replace a motherboard? need to reinstall windows? I haven't done this before.

>>58610688
I think you need to reinstall windows and phone microsoft so you can change the key to your new mobo

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>>58610667
Bumping this also

What CPU should I get?

I want to get the i3-6100 but I heard that new Pentium is suppose to be nice and around the same specs. Obviously I'm using this for a mid tier gaming rig.

Or should I buy a cheap i5-4450?

>>58607630
No need to slipstream. Just put them on the usb drive.

>>58610667
well what I was trying to say was:

- if you get a z270 mobo, get the pentium g4560
- if you get a z170 mobo, get that i3 in your current build

the first option is probably the cheapest and the best, but availability on the g4560 might be a problem. If you found a store that has it then go for it.

>>58607652
I haven't had issues installing win7 on memelakes. Haven't touched baby lake yet. Thank god you guys weren't around for scsi and others.

>>58610764

if you get a Z270 you can only run Windows 10, maybe linux? but the Z270 can accept the Pentium G4560 AND powerhouses like the 7700K.

h-h-hows my build /g/
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Tw6qWX

>>58610811
>maybe linux?
The drivers might not have caught up yet

>>58610811
It seems like the Pentium G4560 is really taking the cake in terms of a strong budget build. Who would had thought a 65$ CPU could do this much.

>>58610811
you can run windows 7, don't fall for that bait
Microsoft just forces everyone to say Windows 7 & 8 are incompatible because they want everyone to move over to 10, but you can still use whatever you want

I got a free haswell i5 4670k
How does it hold up? Or should I get the new ones

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/VtgQhq

Should I buy this setup anons?

>>58610730

dual core is suicide in some of these modern optimized games. Stay away from the pentiums. I'm still rocking my 20th anniversary pentium but even at 4.4ghz its a slouch with some of the newer games.

What do i do to optimize windows 10 for gaming?

>>58610885
>Stay away from the pentiums
New Pentiums are all hyperthreaded, 2c / 4t

>>58610837

while (time != ZEN_RELEASE) {
    System.out.println("WAIT FOR ZEN");
    time++;
}

>>58610730
well with me personally, im been using a duo core i5 2.4ghz for a long time, and honestly, anything that is skylake/kabylake thats over 3.0ghz under 100-200$ takes the cake for me.

Maybe duo core holds me back a little, but still. If i had more money, i go for an i5

>>58610844
source? i can find plenty of sites that say otherwise.

Is there a reliable way to get windows 10 home for free?

>>58610843

it really can't do -that- much. you're still gonna struggle for 60fps even in 720p, and it will be a big bottleneck. but you can use it in the meantime until you save up cash for something like a 7600K, which is a champ.

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Thoughts on my build? Using microcenter and online sources as vendors. Using a GTX 970 cause I already own it. Any suggestions are appreciated.

CPU: i5-7600k(180)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U12S 55.0 CFM CPU Cooler
Motherboard: ASRock Z270 Extreme4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($153.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($109.97 @ Jet)
Storage: Crucial MX300 525GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($133.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.55 @ OutletPC)
Case: NZXT S340 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: EVGA 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($99.88 @ OutletPC)

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>>58610997
Would an i3 be better? I really can't fork over 200$ for a cpu right now.

Also would this be a good set up? I already have a rx470 so it's only going to be about 500$ to build this.

>>58610998
No need for 750w. Get a 650 g2
I'd go for a asus z270-a prime

Thoughts on the 960 Pro/evo vs 840 evo?

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/ZkXYbj

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>>58611084
>2000$ for a 4TB SSD

>>58610955
but i dont have 300-500 dollars for the new zen

>>58611084
>Enterprise HD
>Windows 10 Home

>>58611084

1. you don't have a mouse
2. that monitor isn't even ultrawide, or curved
3. your motherboard already has wifi
4. your power supply is overkill, you only need 1000w

>>58611141
but i already got one

>>58611141
>>58611117
>>58611106
>20,000$
>Australian
That should had been your first hint it was a shitpost.

>>58611155

well then cool. it should be able to play witcher 3 on max settings at around 65fps

>>58611161

o rly

>>58607206
Can I easily install windows 10 from usb to a m.2 ssd?

Building my dad a computer and dont want to deal with having an extra drive and shit.

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https://www.amazon.com/EVGA-BRONZE-Supply-Warranty-100-B1-0500-KR/dp/B00DZ6R9GE

Thoughts on this PSU btw?

>>58608407
>>58608917
You're either a troll or you're retarded. Do some research. Read the sticky. Did you read the damn sticky at the top? Go read that. Or kill yourself. Both are valid options desu.

>>58609432
Trump's autistic son, probably gets more pussy than you

>>58610188
not bad, needs more blue

>>58611195
That's basically the go to budget PSU.

>>58611272
thank you. Hopefully when I'm not a poor faggot I can buy a decent comp.

>>58611281
You can build decent i5 systems with that PSU, it's not "bad" or "only for poor people", wouldn't OC on it, though.

Do you think the new pentium can handle 4k videos? (I want to build a htpc that can play hvec / .h265 4k media on the cheap side)

>>58611335
I probably won't OC anytime soon. the current set up(that I'm buying) can play mostly everything at 1080p just fine for now. And in the future I can settle on 720p.

But christ OC is expensive as a whole. You have to get a PSU that can handle it, you have to get a Motherboard that can even do it and you need a after market cooler or liquid cooler to keep it going.

Almost seems like you are better off just buying better parts than spending a bunch of money maxing them out.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7v38TW/pny-internal-hard-drive-ssd7cs1311240rb
>10gb less
>30$ cheaper
A steal no?

>>58611401
The sweet spot for value is usually around 700-900 USD or 800-1000 EUR, at least imo.
Most people will be fine with something like a 6500 + B150 + 8/16GB RAM + 240GB SSD (+ 1TB HDD) + RX480 or GTX1060 + 500/550W PSU.
If you're a poorfag i3-6100 or G4560 + RX470 might be interesting for you.

>>58611442
The PNY CS1311 is an excellent budget SSD, can't go wrong with it.

>>58611186
yes, of course

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I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to cases.

I need help.

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/cvMFHN

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>trying to buy ANYTHING online with gift cards from Christmas

>>58611647

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/cm9KkT

>>58607206

1440p gaymen on Win7 (not gonna join the botnet anytime soon), 1070 will be a placeholder for Volta where hopefully 144Hz 1440p will be a real possibility.
Anything 100% dogshit about this?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NQK2BP

>>58611708

bleh, the R4 is so overhyped. i bought one, opened it up, realized a lot of it was crap and then sent it back. fans, crap, panels, flimsy, not worth the money. not to mention it's a lot bigger than i was expecting.

>>58611647

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/product/cTQypg/corsair-case-200r

Less than 100 kangaroo dollars too.

Also, read the reviews and look at the builds on pcpartpicker. they only let people review after they've completed and posted the build, so you get real testimonials.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Z8Pgqk

Need help finding a 2K W PSU

>>58611756
>Win7 (not gonna join the botnet anytime soon)
jesus christ you people are so easily influenced it's ridiculous

>>58611756

look into a CPU cooler from be quiet! or Noctua, otherwise it looks pretty solid.

hello anons, im wanting to get into making sure my data is a little safer as i have 0 backups right now. currently have a 64gb ssd and a 500gb storage drive, looking to upgrade it to 2x128gb ssds and 2x1tb drives with both being in raid1. now i know "raid is not a backup" etc but it seems the simplest solution. any input? cheers.

>>58611767

Oh neat, I actually had my eye on that one.

Thanks for the advice about the reviews being legit.

>>58609404
>>58607749
Intel has a tool you can run that slipstreams the drivers.

>>58611830

no problem, and you can get a lot of ideas on colors/lighting/etc by going from build to build, especially since it gives you the option to view builds by part

>>58611779
Explain?

Whats a good pre-filled liquid CPU cooler?

A friend's mother board/CPU died, so another friend choiced the part for him, and ended buying an H210 and an i5-7600K becuase for some reason the 7600K is 259€ at one online store instead of 286€, and the non K one is literally 10€ more at the same store.

they both say shit about overclock and that it will just kill the CPU and that it's not noticeable. I'm trying to convice them to return the mobo and to get a z270, the problem is that he paid 70€ for a micro ATX H210 mobo, and the cheapest micro/mini z270 are 125€.

What do? Is there a really super cheap micro/mini z270 or maybe a full ATX?

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alright so after having two shitty USB network adapters fail on me, I've decided to stop fucking around and get a PCIe card, what does /pcbg/ recommend?

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>>58612368
>liquid CPU cooler

>>58612482
Isn't that what all the cool kids use to OC?

AMD RX 480 8GB or GTX 1060 6GB?

>>58612556
480

>>58612408
Anything with TCP/IP offload

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are kaby lakes worth having to use this shit?

>>58612482

don't be so condescending, you idiots need to explain to these guys why it's not that beneficial.

>>58612545

liquid CPU coolers are typically used for aesthetics or where air flow is tough.

NZXT and Noctua build good liquid coolers, just depends on your needs and how much you can fit. There are square 120mm and 140mm, and rectangular 240mm and 280mm. Depending on how much you want to overlock and what sort of case you're building in will determine the size of your radiator.

But really if you're doing an overclock on a fairly efficient chip, a metal heatsink will do just as good of a job if you're willing to pump air through the case. be quiet! and Noctua have good metal heatsinks. Again, these come in different sizes and arrangements depending on your needs and constrictions.

>>58612731

Once you get rid of the bloat and turn off all the monitoring stuff, W10 isn't that bad.

I do dislike the notifications, and how it constantly tries to sell you on windows products like Edge and Cortana. But I invested a good 30 minutes when I first opened my new laptop and now it's not intrustive at all.

Also, you can get a free W10 download through .iso that will leave a watermark and track everything, but it's free and usable while you're saving up for a key.

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>>58612785
>and turn off all the monitoring stuff
Sure, you can turn off all the monitoring stuff the same way you could unlock the extra 500MB of VRAM on a 970

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Tw6qWX

can this build run modern games

>>58612819
see
>>58610955

Considering this build for my cousin: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hT9tr7

Anything you would change to save some $ but at the same time get around the same performance? He will be doing music production and some gaming.

>>58612857
How old is your cousin and how good is he in computers? Is he really going to use an over clocked system at it's fullest potential? Is he an enthusiasts? My guess is that he isn't otherwise he'd build it himself. Why are you going all out on the cpu but getting a gtx 1060?

If you're going to go with this at least get a z270 mobo, a gtx 1070 at minimum and drop down to a 650w psu. You don't really need a liquid cpu cooler.

>>58612920
>z270
Pretty decent with computers, just has never built one, looking to build him one that lasts 5+ years. He doesn't need amazing graphics right now, will upgrade in the future. Why do you suggest the z270 vs what I have selected? I selected the 650w psu as you suggested. He is 18.

do you really need windows 10 for kaby/z270?

>>58612998
I'm just parroting, but the z170 needs a skylake cpu to be able to update the bios to use kaby.

>>58613022
yepo

>>58611874
does it work with pirated win7 .isos?

>>58613074
Is there any mobo around the price range of $150-$180 that will be able to use the 7600k right out of the box?

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>>58613115
You tell me

Where you ordering from?

>>58613076

hmm I guess I'll stick with sky then

>>58613115
Any z270.

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Is this properly connected? Everything works fine but it looks off.

>>58613238
Jam it in even further so the connector reaches the GPU's baby room.

>>58613235
okay thank you

>>58613198
any better priced/performace monitor then what I have selected?

>>58611767
>>58611708
The R5 is a solid case. The 200R is good on a budget, but that's pretty much all it has going for it. It's about as basic as your average suburban white teenager.

>>58607206
>Gaming builds based monitor resolution and refresh rate
>changed to Kaby/Z270

>>58607237
>this immediate shill

disgusting

>>58613320

200R is also a solid case. You're only paying for "sleek" with the R5 - which also still has loose HDD bays.

>>58613343
The fuck are you talking about? They're 100% steel and they don't go anywhere. They also screw down if you're in a warzone or something.

>>58613328
>>58613328
>>58613328

>>58613334
It's an addendum to the OP, retard. Everyone who claims that I'm shilling for Intel is retarded. If I were shilling for Intel I'd leave the i3 6100s so that people would pay twice as much for the same perf as a G4560

>>58613238
Not connected properly

>>58612819
Shit build, get the G4560 as a CPU

>>58612857
Need a 200 series chipset mobo
Go with air cooling

>>58612920
>gtx 1070 at minimum
>at minimum
Literally retarded. He's playing at 1080p 60Hz
You do realize there is only one gfx card in the world that better than a 1070?

>>58612731
Use GNU/Linux with a Win7 VM w/ GPU passthrough

>>58612556
Either, basically whichever is cheaper

>>58612408
Depends on your router, if it has 5GHz then something that supports that.

>>58611822
Get 240GB SSDs. RAID is usually for redundancy, so if you have a drive fail, your data is safe.

>>58613634
>You do realize there is only one gfx card in the world that better than a 1070?
What I meant is if he's going to pay out the ass for the rest, he should at least get a GPU to match, most people at that point would get a 1080. No need to be a cunt about it.