/pcbg/ - PC Building General

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>>58592753
Kaby Lake has been released! Skylake is depreciated if corresponding chips are similarly priced (e.g., i5 7600K vs i5 6600K)!
>Some motherboards will have a one-click, 5GHz on air OC button that works for 80% of i5 7600Ks
>Z series chipsets have an "Enhanced Turbo" under XMP, which allows all cores to run at the highest single core boost clockspeed (works for Skylake CPUs as well)
>Pentiums now have hyperthreading, and are thus the new default budget / entry level gaming CPUs
>Pentium G4560 is the best price / perf four thread CPU on a modern platform
>All Kaby Lake CPUs work natively with 2400MHz DDR4 memory
>Do not underestimate the impact of fast (>2400, e.g, 3000MHz) RAM in conjunction with a Z series chipset, which often provides as much of a performance boost as a CPU overclock

>>58592788
>tfw 2133 max ram speed plebean

>>58592753
But HGST is WD.

why are the new shitty krabby patties cpus and 270 mobos on the saved part picker list

they're terrible compared to previous gen

>>58592827

not to mention still leaving that shitty logicalincrements site in the OP

>>58592827
Only one worth the while is Pentium G4560, the Skylake i3 at half the price

>>58592827
>they're terrible compared to previous gen
I mentioned last thread i bought a i5 6500 2 weeks ago, and now a realized the 7500 is that same price, did i do good or did i fuck up?

>>58592947

you did fine

the new mobos to compliment them are overpriced

>>58592947
>>58592967

not to mention they heat up hard

>>58592817
Not exactly, it's owned by WD but the manufacturing method is still the same

>>58592827
Literal retard. Kaby Lake is slightly better than Skylake at the same price

>>58592862
It's a little outdated and not perfect, but it still gives users and idea about tiers and upgrades

>>58592872
Not true at all. All Kaby Lake CPUs have native support for 2400MHz RAM for starters. They have higher stock clocks, too

>>58592947
You're fine, only a few percent difference. You should probably flash your BIOS with the Kaby Lake update because you'll have access to a few more features

>>58592992
Nah

>>58593090

>nah

Yes they do shill.

>>58593115
GTFO retard, 80% of i5 7600Ks can easily OC to 5GHz on air.

>>58593090
>>58592872 (Me)
Meant more that they are not really worth upgrading from Skylake to Kaby Lake. For some one that is making their first PC then yeah £30 more at most including motherboard prices might be worth slightly higher clock speed and 2400 ram

>>58592788
>Some motherboards will have a one-click, 5GHz on air OC button that works for 80% of i5 7600Ks
You realise Kaby Lake will go up to 100°C on air @5GHz? Possible problems are unusually high variation in chip quality and shit TIM.
>inb4 only on shit Z170 mobos
Nope, on both Z170 and Z270.

>>58592827
>>58592862
Because OP is a retard, don't buy into it.

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>>58592788
>"Enhanced Turbo" under XMP
>Enhanced Turbo
>CPU core
>XMP
Does not compute, GTFO Pajeet shill. You clearly didn't study your own shill materials from Intel. Get it right.

>>58593154

shill

>>58593090
>Kaby Lake is slightly better than Skylake at the same price
Oh my God! 200 more MHz for $50 more! They are not the same price you fuck.

>>58593214
It's never worth upgrading from the last generation, unless some kind of jew magic would happen and they made everything right in the world, it's not worth it ever

>>58593154
Yes, at 100°C before a logical core fails.

bumping question
>>58592281

>>58592788
This entire post is fucking horrible, scrap this

>>58593428
ebay nigger

>>58593263
Incorrect
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-intel-core-i5-7600k-review
Works on Skylake as well.
If you knew anything about boost states you'd understand, but you're too stupid unfortunately

>>58593331
But they are the same price, retard.

>>58593473
(You)

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>>58593591
>XMP
https://www-ssl.intel.com/content/www/us/en/gaming/extreme-memory-profile-xmp.html
>Extreme MEMORY Profile
You're so fucking retarded that it's adorable. XMP profiles have nothing to do with the CPU itself and everything to do with the adjusted frequency of the MEMORY controller.
CPU core frequencies and Turbo clock adjustments are under a completely different system that has jack squat to do with the memory controller or XMP.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Turbo_Boost

Hang yourself, you dumb little shill.

I bought a freesync 75hz monitor and a RX470. What settings should I use for games?

Do I leave vsync on, off, or cap fps to 75?

>>58593331
even in my shithole they cost the same, in some cases even cheaper by a euro or two, in some cases literally the same to the cent and the most extreme I've seen, 5 euro more expensive, fuck off

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>>58593497
fucking chinks

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Do any of you know if there is a better option than these http://amfeltec.com/products/pci-express-gen-3-carrier-board-for-4-m-2-ssd-modules/ for maximizing the potential of one 16x pci-e lane and the newer m2 nvme SSDs?

I was thinking I could get one and add drives over time while maintaining warranties on all the individual components.

Thoughts on the sentry ITX case?

In USA, going for a gaming build with a budget of $3,000. The aim is 1440p/144hz. I'd appreciate any tips toward improvement of quality build, and balance of parts or optimization. Will it last for a few years, with room to upgrade gpu, cpu, and ram, and still remain balanced?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/yBshGf

>>58593883
Dell has one that blows a fan across all of the M.2 drives and is a PCIe x16 like the one in your link
too bad it's OEM only

>>58593934
>15 CAS RAM
pfft

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I queued this motherboard since a year,
and thinking to buy one now but I hesitate because not sure and can't find if any newer has supered it yet.

>>58593934
trash ssd with that budget, get a 960 pro or whatever the best samsung is now, with PCI not SATA interface, they're like 6 times faster, if not more
If you don't plan to SLI and even if you do, might as well go mATX and mATX case
shit mouse, look at newer Logitech if you want Logitech
your budget would allow to go 1080/1080Ti, unless you plan to upgrade in 2 years, when nvidia finally decides to put proper vulkan and dx12 support

>>58593934
also you're buying 4 fans, one of which not in bundle, while in bundle they're basically 3 for 2, do you really need 4 over 3 then ?

>>58594090
Kind of an OCDP thing that kicked in.

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>>58592753
How am i doin /g/?
>450 watt psu

How does the RX470 compare to the 480 with both having 4GB of VRAM?

I'm looking for 1440p gaming performance. They'll be replacing crossfired 7770s. I'm currently using a 1680x1050 setup but am upgrading by the end of the year.

>>58593883
If you're going to use M2 drives via PCI-E, that card looks to be the best option.

>>58594216
I think the 480 would be close to decent 1440p after settings are tweaked, but the 470 may be pushing it a little. Unless you got a deal on a freesync monitor (and there are plenty out there), save up a little for a 1070, but really go with freesync.

>>58594400
I'm not going Nvidia because of their business practices.

>>58593934
If you want 1440p 144hz get a 1080. Ditch the hdd and get a samsung evo ssd of some sort. IMO ditch the thermaltake AIO and get an NZXT Kraken. I have one and like it, and NZXT's accompanying software is easy to use and works well. If you want you can even get their fan controller and led controller and rgb led fans, all of which work through the same software.

Ignore>>58594055 don't get a samsung pro ssd because you aren't constantly writing data to it. Also don't get a PCIe or NVMe or M.2 because for gaming you don't really need the minimal performance gains from a SATA ssd. A SATA ssd is all you need for gaming, as you should be focusing most of your money on your GPU and monitor. Also ignore him and get a regular sized ATX mobo. I have an MSI mobo as well and it didn't come with as many internal usb connectors as I'd liked so I had to get some expansions for my fan controller because the AIO and front I/O took up the measly two that were on offer.

tl;dr looks solid overall, ditch hdd completely and replace with high capacity ssd and replace 1070 with 1080

>>58594484
>I'm not going Nvidia because of their business practices

lol people on four channel are the most entitled people on the internet. AMD is to blame for them being btfo by NVIDIA as of late. I miss the radeon days. If you want 1440p performance from AMD you will have to wait for Vega, as at least one of the cards will be along the lines of the r9 Fury. The rx480 is not a 1440p card by any means, unless you will settle for meh settings and meh framerates. Don't kid yourself

>>58594551
>Refusing to support an actively anti-consumer company
>Entitled
SLURP SLURP SLURP

>>58594484
Then go with a fury x or wait for vega on a 480 8gb

>>58594715
>Wait for Vega
That was my original plan before one of my two 7770s finally kicked it. How much longer until Vega? I guess I can play shittier games until it comes out if it's soon

>>58593709
>he doesn't know that Enhanced Turbo is a checkbox inside XMP.
Literal retard

>'Enhanced Turbo' is part and parcel of XMP memory overclocking on all enthusiast boards these days.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-intel-core-i5-7600k-review

>still nothing new on AM4 itx boards

FUCK YOU AMD I'M TIRED OF WAITING

>>58594739
I mean, it could be a while, if you find a good deal on a fury x then you shouldn't be afraid to pick it up.

>>58593757
Vsync off, FPS cap to just under 75

>>58593883
Might want a higher wattage PSU if you ever plan to mGPU. Probably unnecessary for 1440p going forward.

>>58594216
Don't buy now, retard. Also don't CF. You'll either want AMD's Vega or Nvidia's Pascal refresh. When you buy your monitor, get either freesync or gsync

>>58594178
upsidedown / 10

>>58594740
>http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-intel-core-i5-7600k-review
XMP and Enhanced Turbo are NOT a part of each other, but a part of a larger suite within the chipset. They're either as retarded as you are or chose their wording poorly.
You're still a massive retard, though.

>>58594816
Looked for a Fury deal, but Canadian pricing is prohibitive. Even an RX480 starts near the $300 mark. Budget is around $350 after shipping and tax.

>>58594859
For the record, I'm already running a crossfire setup, the new GPU would be replacing both existing cards.

>>58594993
>>58594740
Okay, now I get what they're saying and I'm still right. They just worded it terribly because the writer probably doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about either.
XMP is NOT AT ALL related to ANY part of the Turbo feature (if it were, then that would be a serious flaw in the CPU's design), but if the CPU detects that XMP is enabled, it ALSO engages the automatic CPU clock adjustment that they're calling "enhanced turbo". The memory controller has nothing to do with changing the CPU's core and BCLK multipliers, but the CPU does it all automatically for "convenience".
You're still a massive fucking wanker for thinking that a feature tied to the memory bus and controller had anything to do with a CPU's core multipliers.

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>>58592753
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XnyWyf

is this a good build?

>>58593883
A couple of follow up questions around this if anyone with more experience or insight can help, as these boards are very expensive and good info can be hard to find:

Is there any sort of standard binding four lane PCI-e 3.0 + NVME? As in, will this be the way these drives are released and produced in the new few years, or might we see M2 drives adding more than four PCIe lanes to utilize higher bandwidth and making older carriers obsolete? It does seem as though the samsung 960 pro drives are pushing the limit of what 4x PCIe 3.0 can accomplish.

Also, I haven't looked into RAID in a very long time, but would software RAID be capable of dealing with the throughput of several high speed SSDs like this in a configuration like RAID 0? Is this dependant on the board's PCIe switch or what?

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>>58595252
>look mom, i posted it again, mom, attention please, MOM !!!!111

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>/vgcag/

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Is this any good? Is there anything I could improve or change for a similar price or lower?

What is the go-to 512gb ssd these days? Budget isn't much of an issue outside of extremely costly ones (y halo thar Intel). Looking for some pointers for my own research in anticipation of an upcoming zen build.

>>58595493

>1060

You chose...poorly.

>>58595493
No, it's shit, do more research.

>>58595521
How so?

>>58595524
Care to expand on that?

>>58595493
You need B250, H210, or Z270 mobo
Only way you can fully use that 3000MHz RAM is with a Z270

>>58595509
Personally I'd say the 480GB "budget" SSDs are plenty. Either PNY or OCZ

>>58595536
>do more research.

>>58595536

>How so?

Generally speaking the 480 is the faster card these days (though not by much) and the extra 2gb vram never hurt.

>>58595577
They are neck and neck. The aftermarket 8GB 480 is likely more expensive than the aftermarket 6GB 1060

>>58595460
Thank you for my (you)

What is the best AM3+ CPU under $200? Under $100?

>>58593709
source

>>58596734
*best for per clock performance

>>58596734
Really don't know why you're asking this. If you're buying used, you might consider and FX8350 because it's the one of the highest clocked (for the single core perf) without being retardedly hot.

If you buy a new AM3+ mobo + CPU + DDR fucking 3 you have only yourself to blame

>>58596815
Im trying to upgrade an old prebuilt, all I need is a PSU and a CPU

There is nothing wrong with DDR3

>>58596837

you want an 8350 for 149

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what's the best GPU option for this?

>>58596815

this is the kind of mentality that needs to gtfo of /pcbg/

we all build computers for different reasons, some of us are re-using parts given to us and some are working off a clean slate.

>>58596876

you'd want a 1070 or a 980ti. you'd be able to run pretty much anything in 1080p at 60fps, even more for several games. but if you're not trying to break the bank, 1060 or 1050ti

>>58596914
thanks

>>58596815
>If you buy a new AM3+ mobo + CPU + DDR fucking 3 you have only yourself to blame

I'm still using my i7 2600k but i want to build a amd machine next eventually but after browsing this general for a while you guys make it sound like that's a retarded idea

>>58596837
>There is nothing wrong with DDR3
There is if you're buying it with a new system

>>58596876
Come back when you've learned to take a screenshot

>>58596899
Are you illiterate? I answered his question and told him that buying the AM3+ platform NEW is stupid, which it is.

All your posts are moronic, right down to your broken shift key

>>58596974
Fortunately Zen will be here soon.

>>58593428
Mellanox ConnectX-2
$20 on ebay

>>58596979

some of us aren't so privileged as to have a shift key. and you're still a douchebag

>>58596974

all the AMD cpu's are a few years old, and in today's tech market that's like dog years. i have a buddy who has an 8350 with gtx1080 that can run battlefield 1 at 50-60fps but the CPU does limit his graphics card.

so if you want to go AMD, you're basically building a machine that is 3-5 years old. there's a reason all of these builds incorporate intel CPUs

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putting this together next week.

going for 1440p gaming and 80-100fps with maximum usability.

also, is it worth it to stack fans on a liquid cooler (fan on inside and outside)

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All comments welcome. Already have a PSU.

>>58597215

ill sell you all of that same ram in 4x4gb for $80 brand new

but otherwise, your build is pretty solid. IMHO case is too big for one 1060 but if you wanted to run SLI at some point then you have some room to grow. and a 1060 in sli outperforms a 1080

>>58597209
I would recommend getting a larger SSD and maybe faster RAM.

>>58597284

do you think with 4 fans would be good enough to o/c the motherboard?

>>58597209
Drop to i5 7600K
Drop to 1070
Get 3000MHz RAM
240GB SSD

>>58597215
Get i5 7600K
Z270 mobo
3000MHz RAM

Jesus, it's like you people don't even fucking read the OP

>>58596914
>720p @60hz

are you trolling?

>>58596876
Unless you plan on getting a 1440p monitor don't get a 980ti or 1070 good lord. Get an rx470. It is more than enough at that resolution on your speccy. Hell, intel hd graphics might cut it

>>58597209
it is not worth stacking fans unless you really, really fucking want to. just make sure the fans push air through the radiator
>>58597309
just do your cable management and get rid of unnecessary drive cages and 4 fans is plenty. not sure why or what there is to oc on the mobo though

>>58597443

>16gb of ram
>skylake i5

and you recommend a low tier card? a 1070 would be awesome with that.

>>58597324

>drop
>drop
>3000mhz ram
>bigger SSD

so basically you're saying i should drop two great parts and then o/c the shit out of my mobo and upload it all to an SSD

actually i'm steering towards the crucial 1.1tb m.2 for that wire management.

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>>58597443
sorry, I'm not using that display, planning on gaming 1080p @60Hz

>>58597480

the motherboard only runs 2400 without an overclock.

but i've already gotten rid of my drive cages besides the SSD and basement HDDs, so there should be a good bit of airflow

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>>58595427
Hey guys, I ended up digging up info to answer my second question myself so I'll post it here for anyone who was considering using multiple nvme SSDs over PCIe.

If you're going to use M.2 SSDs through PCIe and you want to use RAID, you can use software RAID, but I don't know if any software RAID supports TRIM. If your motherboard chipset has PCIe lanes and "intel rapid storage technology" a hardware RAID mode is available with TRIM support, but the SSDs you use have to be on PCIe lanes that go through the chipset, otherwise you're forced to use software RAID. Pic related.

However, it looks like NVMe RAID under IRST might still be buggy, or even limited by the hardware in the case of faster NVMe drives. From a mod on the asrock forums:
>http://forum.asrock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=305&PID=21812&title=sm951-as-os-boot-device-information#21812
>You can see the Intel RAID software, or possibly the limitation of the chipset, hits a wall at ~3.5GB/s for the large file sequential read speed. So we get virtually no RAID 0 scaling of performance with a SSD that is already at 3GB/s+ read speed.
>WARNING!!! You MUST, MUST have at least one SATA drive connected to one of the available SATA ports BEFORE you attempt to install the IRST Windows software. If you don't the installation will freeze about 2/3 of the way through it, and if it does complete, it will say an unknown error occurred. The IRST Windows program will NOT run in that situation. You can't fix it by adding a SATA drive after the fact. At least it never worked for me.

tl;dr: newer intel chipsets have hardware RAID that works for nvme drives that pass through the chipset, but it's new and potentially buggy.

>>58597488
>1280x720
>needing a 1070

do you hate money? rx480 is mid teir and 1070 is just too much for 1080p 60hz
>>58597491
then get an rx480, much better performance per dollar at 1080p 60hz. if you want some 144hz buttery smoothness or 1440p then get a 1070, otherwise not worth the money as it is about $150 more or so than the rx480 on amazon
>>58597501
so you're ocing the ram?

What would a make a cheap htpc? I was thinking of making a build with the new pentium, a cheap motherboard, using integrated graphics, and how much ram should I get?(I don't plan on using the pc for gaming just as a media center/ htpc for media.) Can this be done between $250-$400?

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KLC8zM

I have everything here except the SSD. a 960 Evo 500GB will eventually make its way to me, but the wait is killing me.

Have any of you used the MyDigitalSSD BPX 480GB drive?
Is it worth getting, or should I just wait for the more expensive 960 Evo?

>>58595427
>It does seem as though the samsung 960 pro drives are pushing the limit of what 4x PCIe 3.0 can accomplish
No, 4 lanes of PCIe Gen3.0/3.1 are capable of pushing up to 3700MB/s in both directions. Samsung's 960 PRO is not even there yet and is limited by its primary controller (they added two more core to the 960 PRO's controller over the 950 PRO, fyi).
As for how long it will be in vogue, we don't really know. M.2 was originally released in PCIe Gen2.1 x2 specification before it was fully standardized and brought to market. It's likely that any post-NAND flash medium and their controllers can make this bandwidth obsolete in the same amount of time it took SATA III to stay as the top dog.
>but would software RAID be capable of dealing with the throughput of several high speed SSDs like this in a configuration like RAID 0
There appears to be a controller to offload some of the striping/parity work from the CPU, but I'm not 100% certain. It may also be a hardware RAID controller, or it could also be a PLX switch.
Either case, peaking the software RAID0 array in your picture may not be possible without moving up to an LGA2011-v3 or BGA1667 platform. But I can't think of a good reason why one would need that much performance from a single storage array outside of a high-usage datacenter. You're not going to benefit that much in a workstation since the bottleneck in performance will almost certainly be your CPU and forget about gaming usage.
What the fuck do you need that much speed for?

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Hello. I am trying to make the cheapest "gaming" computer capable of 1080p for sub 200$. I have some computer parts I am going to add to this list to make:

>i5 2400
>gtx 670 (750ti if I find it cheap)
>8gb ram

I have a hard drive to throw in there as well. The biggest thing I am worried about is the possible bottleneck with a newer video card when/if I upgrade this system? I want to use this computer until 2019 before building a new and modern gaming system. These are the most demanding games that I normally play:

ARMA 3
Red Orchestra 2/Rising Storm
Planetside 2
GTA V
Battlefield series

I don't mind playing on medium/low settings either. Will this system suffice?

https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Understanding-the-WD-Rainbow-674/

Thoughts on this article? Should I be fitting out my system with WD Reds? If all I use my drives for are storing chinese cartoons and weeboo music?

>>58597941
I doubt it

>>58597941
save more. and fuck a 1050 only costs $110 don't get an old ass 600 series card

>>58597941
The Optiplex probably doesn't have a PSU with PCIe power connectors for graphics cards.

However the GTX1050 doesn't need them. It's a card for prebuilts

I have
>r7 360 2GB
>20" 900p monitor

This combo lets me play a lot of games at good/solid settings, but I want a larger monitor (24") so I would likely need to upgrade the GPU too.

What is the cheapest 4GB vram GPU I can get that would let me play most all games at high/ultra settings 1080p? Second hand is fine, and AMD is fine.
Any monitors that are cheap and recommended?

did price go up on ram? I have 2x8gb ddr4 2133MHZ corsair veng lpx that I only bought a few months ago and remember paying like 80 and now it's a little over $100

>>58597623

no, you o/c the motherboard if you run ram outside the range

>>58598058
it's seasonal, all prices go up after christmas and will go down later in the year when business picks up
same with all retail

>>58598090
I did not know this. I was putting together a list of parts for a friend. Would it be wise to wait? budget was about $1500

>>58598047
rx470, 4gb rx480, used gtx970. just walk into a best buy and get the monitor that looks the best in person

>>58598047
Not sure where you live, but any $50 used 1080p 60Hz monitor is fine. RX 470 is the 4GB card to get. Great performance. If you're looking to save a little money get the 970 or 380x used

>>58598058
Supply shortage because SSDs + phones

>>58597724
Most definitely, but I'd look into some tiny ass mini-ITX cases

>>58598138
I'l look at the mini-itx cases, i'll have a parts list soon.

>>58598138
This is what I go so far not sure how much ram to get? I'm open to suggestions,.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FPnxVY

can i make a decent 200 dollar pc if i shove all my money on amazon

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>>58597837
>You're not going to benefit that much in a workstation since the bottleneck in performance will almost certainly be your CPU
You're right, and this does appear to be the case. From what I've gathered now, IRST isn't a real hardware RAID, rather a "fake RAID" that still relies on the CPU like software RAID.
>There appears to be a controller
That amfeltec board just has a PLX switch, and even as it is, it costs over 400 dollars.
>Samsung's 960 PRO is not even there yet and is limited by its primary controller (they added two more core to the 960 PRO's controller over the 950 PRO, fyi).
If I'm not wrong, when you use IRST/RAID, it takes over the duty of the controllers on the SSDs themselves and assigns that work to the CPU.

And the broadwell/haswell processors are so old their chipset hardly has any pci-e lanes at all, and the ones it has are PCI-e 2.0. You can use the CPU lanes but then you have to use software raid. I'm still not sure how huge of a difference this makes, & I haven't found any good data yet: but, linux has mdadm for software raid which looks as feature rich as intel's "fake RAID" is so perhaps under the right conditions a broadwell-e, etc, would make the drives go faster in an array, as you suggested

>What the fuck do you need that much speed for?
I'm mostly just interested in bleeding edge consumer tech like this and felt it was appropriate for the thread that's about building systems. Thanks for the responses, anon.

By the way, as far as post-NAND flash is concerned, I read up some on intel's "Optane" memory based on "3D_Xpoint" technology, and even then it looked like intel's new meme memory is going to use PCI-e 3.0 with 4 lanes.

>>58598239
That board won't work for a Kaby Lake CPU unless you have a Skylake CPU sitting around so that you can flash it. Need H210/Z270 mobo
You might want a mobo with an embedded wireless network adapter
Unless you're trying to store a lot of video, just get a 240GB SSD. OCZ or PNY

4GB is fine for RAM

>>58598293
>when you use IRST/RAID, it takes over the duty of the controllers on the SSDs themselves and assigns that work to the CPU
Literally impossible. That controller on the PCB is there for a reason.

>>58598275
No. At that price point you should be looking at used laptops.

>>58598361
So then is the post on the asrock forums I linked here >>58597531 wrong, or am I misunderstanding something about how they are operating?

>When using the IRST RAID driver for a RAID array of PCIe NVMe SSDs, you don't need to, and cannot, install the NVMe driver. Two reasons for that, only one really counts. The IRST RAID driver acts as the NVMe driver for a RAID array of PCIe NVMe SSDs, so no need to install an NVMe driver. Second, the Samsung software cannot recognize their own drives when in a RAID array, same thing is true for the Magician software. I cannot install the Samsung NVMe driver either, that's normal and not the problem. An NVMe driver is not needed in this case.

I thought this meant that the controllers on the SSD were taken over by IRST? Or is this person wrong?

>>58598376
i already have a t420

>>58598275
desktop PC? You can probably buy a basic NUC with 8GB of RAM and a 64 or even 128GB m2 ssd

obviously not a gaming machine but it will handle emulation and 10+ year old games fine

>>58598383
No, he's referring to the logical array that's created when you stripe drives, not the actual drives individually. IRST is like a layer on top of the actual drive itself that directs data to where they're supposed to go in a RAID array. Once data gets distributed past that layer. the data has to go to another layer of directions to be put into the physical NAND that stores it, which is again divided and put into as many different parts of the NANDs as possible for the best performance (on modern SSDs, anyway).
A RAID controller can not take over the controller within a drive, or else the drive will not be able to function as a drive to be part of the RAID array.

>>58598426
just checked the prices and the only sub-200$ NUC is pretty shit, but you can buy the ASUS chromebox for 160$ instead and add the SSD (and RAM if you want but the box already comes with 2GB), flash a different firmware that allows you to use windows (basically a couple of terminal commands) and you're set for 200$.

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>>58598451
Thanks for the great explanation, anon. I think I've got a clearer picture of it now.

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Building this as a home server slash gaming pc slash engineering homework workstation. The storage is just to begin, ideally I'd like to boot from an m.2, load games on two SSDs and load files to two 5tb HDDs

The build offers me room to grow, with overclocking, 16 gb of additional ram and sli all in the future.

Pic related would be the color, but rings instead of whole circles.

>>58598494
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/dg3RCy

Forgot this.....

>>58598354
I do have a skylake in my main pc but ya oops I forgot about needing to flash the bios.
How's this: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/
Not sure what psu to get? I might have a spare hdd laying around I could use to knock the price down.

>>58598494
Get 3000MHz RAM
Consider an i5 7600K
Get a 240GB SSD
Get 4TB HDDs
Drop to GTX1070

You have a 1440p monitor? If not, buy Gsync

>>58598510
Wrong link, you need to post the direct link

>>58598510
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4cMFHN
shit im tired

>>58598494
Water cooling is a meme, especially with a rad that size.

I don't see anything that motherboard offers to justify its price point.

Sandisk is bleh, get a Samsung drive.

Don't need WD Black for secondary storage. Get Red or Blue.

Those fans are blinged-up shit.

Buying a separate fan controller is a meme too. Your motherboard should be able to handle your fans and controlling your fans manually is stupid.

>>58598545
I mean, why. Go back to the mini ITX form factor

>>58592753
I haven't done a computer build in maaany years and I was curious that if I had a budget of 1500 (would prefer to spend 1200) is there any hardware coming out this year that's worth waiting for?

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Whatever happened to listing how many power phases your motherboard has? And whatever happened to jamming as many of those fuckers as possible onto a board?

>>58598566
Yes, Ryzen CPUs, possibly Vega graphics cards if you're gaming at 1440p. Those will be out by March at the latest

>>58598558
To save a bit how's this then? psu might be a bit over kill.
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MNvRCy

>>58598593
Where will this HTPC be sitting? Because to be completely honest, that thing is pretty damn ugly

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/fhmLf8

16x10 was created by god himself, 16x9 is absolute garbage, ultrawides are ok.

>>58598624
Ya its ugly, probably out of sight and I'm open to suggestions that's the cheapest case I saw lol.

>>58598593
Looks good, I doubt that you'll be able to save much on the PSU by lowering wattage. If I were building an HTPC I'd use an even smaller case with a pico PSU. Haven't really looked into cases or small form factor PSUs that much, so I don't have any recommendations unfortunately

>>58598624
It looks decent to me, rather like a sub woofer

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>>58598647
I copped a Node 304 a few weeks ago on sale for $60 and it's a pretty good case to work in. The front panel is actual aluminum too, which pleases me. (It's actually a facade but it still looks great) Right now it's going for about $80.

>>58598704
The node cases are pretty great.

>>58592753
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ChmLf8
>CPU
Skylake cause Baby Lake doesn't support Win7
>Cooler
Cheap, looks nice, good review
>Mobo
Honestly, I'm getting this one simply for looks. Call me a faggot, idc
>RAM
It's RAM
>Storage
Bought one, Amazon accidentally sent two. Called Cust. Support, they said keep it.
>GPU
RX 480, 8GB. Looks nice, good reviews. Should've bought a bit later when prices went down, but w/e
>Case
The best looking and most functional case I've seen so far. This is a subjective opinion
>PSU
It's a PSU
>Monitor
Ultrawide for productivity, IPS for pretty games, FreeSync to go w/ my RX 480
>Keyboard
Love the Cherry MX Reds; have bought peripherals from Logitech in the past, haven't let me down yet
>Mouse
Good reviews, wireless cause I'm tired of my wire snagging on shit, infinite scroll wheel, Logitech makes good stuff.
>Headphones
Have a gaymen headset rn, not satisfied with the sound. Asked questions on an /hpg/ thread, checked several audiophile forums, looked at prices, settled on this. The mobo can power it, so I'm not going to buy a DAC/AMP at the moment

>>58597941
Still using my i7 2600k gtx 570;

GTA V geforce experience custom high (unfortunately it requires an account to use now)
Red Orchestra 2 pretty sure i run it high
played Battlefield 1 beta medium - high setting
planetside 2 on medium high
fallout 4 on medium high
no mans sky medium
warthunder high
world of tanks maximum (sd pack)

So i assume you could probably play all those games on high but you're better off saving and getting something better really, all that shit is obsolete now. GTA V ran my hardware hot as hell for some reason btw.

damn are the new krabby patties really that shit?

>>58598457
>>58598426
sorry for super super late reply but i want too play gtav with people i know so what will do if i shove my money in amazon, my t420 can run it fine but my video ram is shit

>>58598704
Oh, not bad.

>>58598704
>>58598593
it's still a bit overkill to have such a large case for an htpc that won't even have a GPU
My advice is to downsize even more and look at silverstone and streacom mini-itx tiny cases that don't support an atx psu and replace that huge and unnecessary psu with a pico psu

>>58598838
you won't be able to play gta V with a 200$ build m8

>>58598879
what about a 200 dollar laptop

>>58598896
no, of course not

stop thinking about games and focus on school

>>58598896
gta v is worth 1/3 of your budget, so i assume you already have it, yes? you're not gonna be able to run it on a $200 system, mate. on a $200 dollar gpu, sure, but not a system. not above 10 fps

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Ausfag, 144hz/1440p, price isn't too much of an issue, my current PC is acceptable for now but I'm looking for an upgrade with my new job paying much better. Mostly used for internet browsing, gaming, streaming/recording and video editing. Need some advice on a monitor. I have two monitors currently, some shitty 18inch from the mid 2000's that my parents let me take and a 23inch LG IPS monitor I bought back in 2013 when I built my current PC.

Also I'd like a motherboard that has a built in WiFi adapter just in case I need it. The mobo in this pic is just a placeholder because I haven't really kept up with current trends.

what's the best version of RX 480?

XFX? MSI?

>>58598983
>price isn't too much of an issue
Asus ROG Swift PG278Q or 279Q, depending whether you want IPS (the latter) or not. Both have G-Sync for when the 1070 isn't enough for 1440p Ultra 60Hz

>>58599037
Sapphire or MSI

When will the Intel Pentium G4560 be in stock? I see Amazon and B&H will let you pre order it.

I'm looking for a pc for gaming and video editing, my budget is 600 dollars.

My CPU starts to heat up when I plugged in two 1440p monitors. So I think I'm going to get a GPU. What is something that is quite? I don't play gaymes.

SilverStone SG02-F, for MicroATX MB, 5.25" x 2- external, 3.5" or 2.5" x2- internal, front: USB 3.0 x2, Audio & Mic, full size long card

Rosewill HIVE-650, modular, 80PLUS BRONZE certified, Haswell ready

Asus Z87M-Plus, microATX, LGA1150 socket, Z87 Express Chipset, USB 3.0 x 4, USB 2.0

Intel 4670-i5 (Haswell 4th generation), 3.4 + GHZ, TurboBoost, 6MB Cache, LGA1150, 4 core, HD Graphics 4600

Ripjaws X Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM 1600

Samsung 250GB 840 Series SSD (system disk), Seagate 750GB - 7200RPM 2.5" - Hybrid Drive ST750LX003, Seagate 500GB - 7200RPM
2.5" - Hybrid Drive ST95005620AS x 2

Asus Nvidia GTX650Ti-OC-2GD5 GeForce GTX 650Ti 2GB, 128-bit, PCI Express 3.0


this guy is selling this on cragis list for 400 dollars should i rape the listing

>>58599135
Quiet*

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so i know that my gpu isnt that new anymore. but is the rest still fine ?

>>58599111
Logicalincrements.com
>>58599140
Pcpartpicker.com

>>58599111
Save some more then come back

>>58599179
Yes.

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Hey guys, the scrub who was asking about nvme SSDs and RAID earlier in the thread here. Is http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/technologies/intel-rapid-storage-technology-enterprise-intel-rste.html something worth looking into for meaningful gains with RAID in an nvme SSD array? Or is this just more intel marketing?

Intel claims the following for their supported chipsets
>Yes, things have changed. Software RAID solutions running on the Intel® Xeon® Processor E5-2600/2400/1600/1400/4600 with the Intel® C600 series chipset (Romley platform) now equals or outperforms hard-ware RAID.

So then checking the RSTe nvme RAID driver, it shows that another supported chipset is C230 which is a skylake chipset.
>Supported platforms include:
>Intel® Xeon® Processor E5 v3, v4 Families with the Intel® C610 Series Chipset
>Intel® Xeon® Processor E3 v5 Families with the Intel® C230 Series Chipset

Would components like this and the above driver/chipset support go substantially faster than just a plain 960 pro when it comes to SSD throughput with PCIe?
https://newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117611
https://newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157690

Gsync and Freesync.

Are they a meme?

>>58599189
can that build run modern day games though? Im trying to look for a good pc on craigs list and i saw this ad and thats what he has.

>>58599507
No, they're actually useful. G-Sync is considerably more expensive, however, so take that as you will.

>>58599548
I don't know if it's good but the price doesn't seem that bad, considering i see dipshits trying to sell decade old gaming rigs for 300$

>>58599593
Lian Li PC-Q01B aluminum case
Intel G1850 Celeron processor
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 Ti
G.SKILL 8GB DDR3-1333 memory
Gigabyte H97N-WIFI motherboard
Samsung 250GB solid state drive
Seasonic 520W power supply

lol this guy is trying to sell shit parts and processor for the same price

>>58599582

can I just get a freesync monitor for my 6gb 1060 build?

>>58599636
FreeSync only works with AMD GPUs. If you haven't purchased that 1060, just buy an RX 480, they're practically identical, and you'll be able to utilize FreeSync to smooth out games that fall beneath 60 FPS (like Witcher 3 on Ultra). Or just wait for Vega to come out and then decide what you want to do, since Pascal/Polaris prices will most likely fall.

>>58593591
>But they are the same price

>>58593764
>in some cases literally cheaper

I don't suppose you have the receipts or sales listings to back your claims? Pcpartpicker/amazon/newegg all show skylakes less than kaby lakes, and stores like frys and microcenter don't have Kaby Lakes at the same price as Skylakes. How the fuck is intel going to release something and have it cheaper than their older gen shit?

>>58599688

ah right, makes sense

how's this?

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/C39KkT

Don't really feel like spending over $500 AUD on any one given part

>>58599708
Do you have a copy of Win10 lying somewhere around? Win8 and before aren't supported, just fyi. If you don't, stick w/ Skylake and Z170. Decent cooler, RAM is good, the SSD has good reviews, good choice on the 480. You'll have to explain your choice of the case, there could be a number of factors for this, so I'd prefer to know why that one. The case is important because it's what you'll be looking at, so make sure you REALLY like it before you buy. I've heard less-than-stellar about Antec PSU's, at that price just go for the Corsair CS M 550 or the XFX TS 550. Solid monitor choice. Overall good list.

>>58599703
6th and 7th gen cpus are the same price where I shop (pccasegear). But that's Australia though

>>58599703
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA9H53VV8412&cm_re=6500-_-19-117-563-_-Product
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117730&cm_re=7500-_-19-117-730-_-Product

The 6500 was 269 2 weeks ago and the 7500 has a 10$ promo code so it's even cheaper.

So this is what it feels like to buy new hardware.

>>58599769

oh that's the wrong case, I must've accidentally chosen it

howzit now

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/T2LyQV

>>58599886
Personally, not a fan of Corsair cases, but the reviews seem good. You should, however, get an ATX motherboard. mATX boards tend to have less features than ATX boards at a similar price.

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>>58599916
>mATX boards tend to have less features than ATX boards

>>58598571
CPUs stopped sucking down ridiculous amounts of power

>>58599953
is it hard to read?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/kfckzM

r8 my build

>>58600000
passable
also nice zeros

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>>58600000
Nice GET.

Build is okay for the price, but how do you even store shit?

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>>58600000
This is now the default budget build in this thread

>>58599916
>>58599996

fuck it here goes

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/CPW9yf

>>58600041
Case looks nice, good reviews as well. It is a bit more expensive than the Corsair 200R though, which had good reviews, so keep that in mind.

>>58600053
>>58600041
How long does it take for new shit to get to you aussies? I'd go for the Define C but I can't see it on AU PCPartPicker

>>58600014
the 120gb solid state drive?

>>58600041
your first case choice is fine as 200R is a solid case for the price

r4 is just priced for looks really

>>58600070

takes fucking forever

>>58600070
I'm not an aussie, just helping out a mate.

>>58592788
What are the timings of the RAM in those benchmarks?
I got a 2666MHz CAS 16 and i wanted to know how much i'm missing compared to lower latency

>>58600117
The difference between CAS 15 and 16 isn't noticeable. It only affects benchmarks.

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>>58599373
You know what, I'm retarded, and >>58597837 was completely right. If IRST and IRSTe require the SSD's PCI to route through the PCH, then you're always going to run into DMI 3 bandwidth issues, since DMI 3 is only equivalent to PCI 3.0 x4 and shares that connection between the other stuff on the PCH.

Good to know I wasted my time reading a ton of marketing bullshit.
>All this shit attached to the PCH in my picture connects to the CPU through four lanes of PCI-E 3.0
It seems like thanks to DMI it's best to run as many components off of the CPU's PCIe lanes as possible, away from the MB's chipset, to avoid the DMI bottleneck. Why, intel, why?

>>58600136
2666MHz RAM can be found from CAS 13 to 16, and i'm not doing only gaming but also video editing, encoding and heavy .rar / zip compression / decompression, are you sure it wouldn't affect those?

>>58600167
It'll affect them, but not to a very significant degree. I wouldn't sweat it

>>58600209
while we're talking about RAM, can latency be forcefully decreased the same way frequency can be decreased?

>>58600241
Afaik, no. Freq decrease = slower RAM, Lat decrease = faster RAM. I doubt you can make it faster than what it's comes at

>>58600307
Yes that's what i meant, decrease latency and increase frequency at the same time. You definitely can make it faster through overclocking but i wanted to know if you could overclock the CAS timings specifically, feels pretty bad then as i do want to get the most speed out of those things, guess i'll have to stick to high frequencies

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>>58600053

They're actually both very popular cases. The 200R is everyone's go to case for no frills builds. R4 is mainly for the aesthetics.

>>58600083

yeah basically this - just stick the the 200R

>>58600070

this one?

https://www.pccasegear.com/products/37379?gclid=CICw3YLY1dECFQVwvAod964K-w&gclsrc=aw.ds

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>>58600560
Yes. And contrary to what the cheap-asses say, the Define R4/R5/C is not just an aesthetic upgrade. When you pay more for a case, you get shit like:
>Better build quality, meaning better tolerances and everything fits as it should
>Better quality fans
>A front dust filter that isn't shit
>Silencing
>Actual fucking cable management, like holy fuck

The frills make the case. Everything's a steel box. The extras make it matter.

>>58600347

Not to mention the R4 is huge for a mid tower. Like unnecessarily big. And the fans aren't that good.

>>58600041

Freesync doesn't do jack for ya if you have an Nividia card so get a different one

>>58598538

Why would I want 3000mhz ram?

>>58600742
do you have eyes?

>>58600754

do you?

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>>58600782
>if you have an Nividia card so get a different one
>https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/CPW9yf

>>58600041


Let me fix this for you.

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/pjzvNN

>>58600808

yeah that's nvidia tho

>>58600822

full tower is pointless for this sort of build

If I were that guy I'd go for the R4.

>>58592753
Picture doesn't hold true for me. I've had two 2TB HGST drives fail on me, and I bought a 3TB WD instead and it hasn't had a problem since.

>>58600901

Were you born retarded or did you have to work on it?

>>58600964

I'm actually blind, so thanks a lot.

>>58600973

..but not born retarded? So the answer is, infact, you worked on it.

I admire your dedication anon.

>>58600989

Alright, look prick.
He was going on about freesync being a better choice over freesync. While that may be technically true, most people don't choose their team based on monitor compatibility alone.

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>>58601008

>He was going on about freesync being a better choice over freesync.

>>58601008
freesync can't be a better choice over freesync, since it is freesync.

>>58601028
>>58601033

I meant Gsync you fucking AMD shills.

>>58601008
I was saying that both freesync and gsync are useful, but freesync is cheaper, and therefore buying an rx 480 over a gtx 1060 would be a better deal if they want to utilise some form of async, simply due to the fact that for otherwise identical monitors, a gsync monitor will cost at least $100 more than the freesync version. Other than that, the 480 and 1060 are pretty much identical.

is the i5 7500 enough to play at 1080p/60fps ?

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>>58601062
>AMD shills
are you fucking retarded? not memeing, I genuinely want to know

>>58601076
can you phrase your question a bit better? do you mean the integrated graphics, or are you asking whether it will be a bottleneck for your gpu? if the latter, then you'll have to specify what gpu you have. if the former, then no, you can't play 1080p/60fps of an igpu.

>>58601111
sry just meants the cpu part. I'm getting a RX480 8gb for the gpu.

>>58601116

Then yes it is.

>>58598547

>Water cooling is a meme
switched to this one
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/wdkD4D/phanteks-cpu-cooler-phtc14pebk

>I don't see anything that motherboard offers to justify its price point.

All Asus Z270 are that price. I picked it because it has a ton of SATA ports and it matches the color scheme I'd like

>Sandisk is bleh, get a Samsung drive.

Done

>Don't need WD Black for secondary storage. Get Red or Blue.

The Blue isn't offered in anything bigger than 1TB unless you drop to 5400RPM (which is for plebs)

>Those fans are blinged-up shit.

So? It'll be in my room, not yours.

>Buying a separate fan controller is a meme too. Your motherboard should be able to handle your fans and controlling your fans manually is stupid.

Considering that between the 2 fronts, 2 sides, 1 rear, and 2 CPU cooler fans, I'll have 7 in total, and that won't fit on the motherboard, which only room for 3 connectors, but the controller has room for 5.

I want to overclock both of these parts and the only way they play nicely is if you wash a lot of air over them.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PDYX3F
https://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2017/01/03/intel-core-i7-7700k-i5-7600k-review/8

You're not wrong about freesync being more economical. Obviously that's AMDs whole point. But what I'm saying is that your choice in monitor tech is just a bigger part of the decision to buy nvidia or AMD. There's a lot of other factors. Somebody who wants the power of a 1080 may decide it's worth the price premium. And "team" just refers to whether you are currently using red or green. It doesn't mean you're a fanboy, it's just a shorthand for what you're buying. You still need to factor in individual game optimization, linux compatibility, nividia's tendency to be lighter on processors, and any other brand specific features.

AMDshills are so slow in the head.

Hello. I'm trying to put together a low-budget build that's still capable of running games like GTA 5 at reasonable settings, 1080p, at 40+ FPS. Does this look good, or does the CPU cause a bottleneck?

>Processor: Intel Pentium G4560
>Motherboard: MSI H110M Pro-VH
>Graphic card: MSI GeForce GTX 1050 Ti 4GB OC
>Memory: 1x8GB / 2133Mhz

>>58601135
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/PDYX3F
Not enough LEDs you disgusting non pro gamer.

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>>58601158
He was deciding between a 1060 and a 480, not a 1080 and a 480. Individual game optimization is up to him to decide what games he wants to play. AMD cards are much more compatible with Linux. You're such a fucking moron, I worry for you
Pic related, is you

I need an extra HDD for my windows gaming vm. Shill me something

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>>58601186

i resort to LEDs because i'm not patient enough to build something like this

>>58601226
This is absolutely disgusting.

>>58601234
I agree.
>>58601226
Anon, please take study some art theory or something. That color scheme is nasty

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>>58601226

And the rings look mellow and have a nice aesthetic in the Pro5 case, especially compared to the stock black fans and fully-lit blue ones.

>>58601135
>a ton of SATA ports
6 sure is a lot

If you can't get Blues get Reds then. Not that hard.

Those fans are still shit though. They're basically stock fans but with LRGBT lights. If you want fans that glow like your boyfriend's strap-on, get NZXT AER fans. They're actually good and have nice bearings.

You don't need to load up your case with fans. Modern components don't run that hot even when OCed and you're going overkill for no good reason. And what are fan splitters and fan curves even?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ZVxfD8

>>58601264
fucking this

>>58601183
Anybody?

>>58601264

But the Thermaltake have hydraulic bearings, which are awesome, and I only really want the one color. Plus the NZXT are twice as expensive

>>58601374

Also, in order to use the Hue+, you have to buy the $50 module from NZXT.

So I've just gone from $68 for four fans that I like to $110 fans that aren't any better and I wouldn't even appreciate.

Is the EK predator still the only good AIO?

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>>58601374
Hydraulic bearings are just sleeve bearings under a different name. The AERs have a fluid dynamic bearing that is rated for a longer lifespan and quieter performance. And they are hella expensive, but if you want great quality and faggot lights, you're going to have to pay for both.

You're acting like you know shit but really you're just spouting what-ifs and cursory research from other losers that know about as much as you do.

>>58601441

What sort of fans do you have?

>>58601476
I have my PC on a special platform right under the ceiling fan

>>58601476
Noctuas because I'm not a ricefag.

>>58601481

Well enjoy them, and I'll enjoy my Thermaltakes hooked to a fan controller

>>58601481
my nigga
>>58601476
seriously kid, buy noctuas. they're worth the price

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>>58601500

Noctuas are only good for those obsessed with silence. I've tamed a 3900rpm delta fan as part of my setup (38mm thick too) and that lets me cool a 200w cpu without defeaning myself.

>>58601500

I wasn't try to argue if they were worth the money, they're just not appealing to me. This whole discussion is about aesthetics anyways.

Should I replace the cooling paste on my 7 year old build? Is it going to make any real difference, or am I just being memed? What brands of paste are good?

CONSIDERING the big shitfest that happened, may I just ask if there's a massively noticeable different between basic gSync and Freesync's smoothness?

>>58601762


>Should I replace the cooling paste on my 7 year old build?

Only if temperature under load is getting out of control. That said thermal grease doesn't last forever so changing it out once a year is never a bad thing.

>What brands of paste are good?

Its all the same shit for the most part.

>>58601786

They are effectively identical - its only when you start going below a freesync screens minimum range do the differences show up.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KPtCgL How did i do? i3-6300, 1050ti, mouse/keyboard, all for around $800.

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>>58601808

ahh ok that's good to know thanks

>>58601864
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YFw33F

For $1000, i5-6500, 1060 6GB, 1080p monitor

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/MDbpFd

I've never build a PC before, and this list I asked a friend and he made it for me, I told him to go all out.

How good is it? There's no case and MoBo since I've already bought those (MoBo pic related).

Yes, I'm gonna build it myself from scratch, I guess reading guides and watching some videos I can put everything together.

>>58602071

I saw that slut on a keyboard in /v/..

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>>58602071
Get a 7700k

Dont get two PG278Q, get 1(one) PG279Q. If you want other monitors, just get some cheaper IPS 60hz ones.

With saved money from only getting 1 monitor and a cheaper CPU buy another 1080.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vMp33F

Finally building a new PC to replace my current AMD FX-4100 and GTX 670 build.

It has been a while since I did a build, what do you guys think of it?

>>58602168
The show it's pretty shitty, or at least not as good, but she has some potential, also not a slut.

>>58602212
I actually do not do gaming that much, but I do rendering from time to time and video editing (Mocha, AE), is it worth losing 2 cores and 4 threads? I know it's cheaper, but still. About the monitors, I might think about it, I was even thinking of getting a bigger one (32-35" 4K) and having just one.

Is there any website for europoors that offers similar services like pcpartpicker? Like to know if european shops are able to even deliver what I assemble

>>58602401
>7700K
>212 EVO
>EVGA 1070
Lol enjoy your housefire.

What's the cheapest I can go for some quality 4k gaming?

>tfw built a PC 2 months ago with a skylake
>kaby lake is literally the same price, save for the more expensive motherboards

I have two questions:
What should I be paying for a Hp w7000 firepro?

And would that videocard in combination with a fx 8350 be a good workstation? Or should I go Intel?

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Looking for a low profile cooler or AIO water cooler for a Cooler Master elite 130 case.

Needs to be super low profile.

Currently using a 65w cooler on a 95w cpu and its not having a fun time.

>>58603371
why don't you try writing the damn measurement ? what's the max the case supports

>>58603416
No higher then 7cm I'm afraid

>>58603371
Any 120mm AIO should do the trick, otherwise this should fit: http://noctua.at/de/products/cpu-cooler-retail/nh-l9x65

opinions on this ?
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YkWrtJ
It's already built so can't really change anything, just wanted professional opinion
Only don't have a GPU yet, will buy it in the upcoming week and I'm using an old SSD that I will replace with some m.2 SSD

>>58603611
>H170
Overpaid, H170 is really only good for SLI/XCF.
>Corsair CXM
Absolut shit housefire PSU.

Rest is decent. A good M.2 SSD is the 950 EVO.

>>58603133

Cheap and 4k should never be in the same sentence unless you want to play on low.

what is your go to processor to pair with gtx 1060 in 1151 slot?

looking for maximum bang for buck and minimum bottleneck

>>58603789
7500

>>58603723
That's why I said cheapest brah. The lowest you can go inside the realm of the expensive.

>>58603715
I guess you're suggesting B150, I guess I got confused about the Max # of PCIe lanes being 8 instead of 16 and that they're marketed as business, I'm happy with the current mobo either way, except for it not being 200 series
The situation with PSUs in my country is pretty shitty, most recommended PSUs are nowhere to be seen, the other recommended PSUs were non-modular and I really wanted semi-modular, since I only use GPU and HDD
950 evo doesn't seem to exist, did you mean pro or 960 evo ? But yeah, I've been looking at PCI interface m.2, don't have that kind of money yet though

>>58603855
Why though, why even try that, if you made the mistake of going 4k atleast you can properly use 1080p on games, why opt out for shitty graphics and high resolution over decent resolution and max graphics

>>58603331
Shouldve done your homework my nigga

>>58603857
Yes 960 EVO, but 950 Pro is also fine, imho only worthwile M.2 SSDs are NVMe.

>>58603965
960 EVO is better than 950 PRO right ? Looking at just raw numbers, it seems so, and also cheaper, but maybe I don't know something
Only looking at 250gb so 960 PRO is out of the question, also very expensive

>>58604003
Most M.2 SSDs are expensive as fuck, idk about the differences, though. I'm fine with my "old" 256GB 850 Pro.

Would would anyone need 8gb at 1080p or even 1440p. Is this just a ploy to charge people more money for shit they don't need? Even with dozens of 4k texture mods at 1080p skyrim only went up to 2.4/3gb on my card.

>>58604055
at 1080p I guess it won't be used, but with right mods you could max out 4gb and the next stop is 8gb( or 3 and 6 if 1060) at 1440p I'd say it's a safe choice, although 6gb should also suffice

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Hey newfag here with a question

I never really got too deep into pc gaming, but years ago I built a budget pc around a AMD kaveri A10 + 8 gb ram so I didn't buy a graphics card.

Recently I've been thinking about rebuilding it based around a normal cpu + gpu configuration.
I'm looking to drop maybe $300 - $400 in the CPU, GPU, and MB.
Would looking into i3's or Pentiums be a good starting point?
If paired with a good graphics card will they cause bottlenecking or can they hold up to 8th gen standards?

>>58604280
tough luck, if you want new shit, you will also have to buy new RAM, which is expensive as fuck now
Most budget CPU is the new pentium G4560, something around 70$, if you'd buy a new mobo of 200 series, that's another <100$, like 60-70 for 8gb single channel RAM so you're already 200+ down and for <200$ there's not much choice for a strong GPU
Also it's the 7th gen now

>>58604280
Nope, you're basically fucked.

>>58600934
>I've had two 2TB HGST drives fail on me, and I bought a 3TB WD instead and it hasn't had a problem since.

Maybe you should stop buying pre-death refurbs from sketchy Amazon resellers, then.

>>58604090

Doom eats over 4gb at 1080p using nightmare settings. Watch dogs 2 and GTA V also take what they can get when cranked.

>>58604343
>if you want new shit, you will also have to buy new RAM
Really? I thought 8gb was alright for a budget build?
I guess another stick wouldn't hurt.
I don't plan on going on a spree all at once so it'll be a gradual aquisition.

As for the gpu I've already realized that unless I go for something around a $250 price point there's no point so I'll get to that last.
I'm gonna try and sell my old parts to see if I can come up with a bit of the cash.
The rest will just come off paychecks.
>Also it's the 7th gen now
Sorry I was referring to console generations

>>58604422
Pls no

>>58604636
Oh, competing with shitboxes is easy, what I meant about RAM is that skylake/kaby lake(anything older shouldn't be used for a NEW build) uses DDR4 RAM, so you will have to throw your old one out for the new ones

>>58604636
>Really? I thought 8gb was alright for a budget build?

Not more ram, new ram. You need DDR4 for the last two generations of CPU.

Can I switch which Sata ports my drives are plugged into without having to change the boot order in Bios?

>>58604636
Sorry m8, but your platform has basically zero upgrade potential. You require a new build and with your budget you'll only get entry level stuff.
I suggest you reuse whatever parts you can and get the rest new, for example see: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cRx9yf

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Never built a rig with a meme case and micro atx crap.
What do you guys think of the Prodigy M?
How are micro atx mobos compared to atx mobos?
Planning to buy a 7700k and a 1080.

>>58604919

For boot drives, no. For drives that just sit there as storage, sure.

>>58604997
Micro ATX is a meme. It has less features than ATX while still taking too much place when compared to mini ITX.

Not sure if this is the right place, but here goes! Would buying a pi3 be the best for nes, gamecube, or even dreamcast emulation?

>>58604997
There are only two mATX Z270 motherboards worth a damn for overclocking:
The MSI Z270M Mortar and the Gigabyte GA-Z270MX-Gaming 5
But both of those costs as much as an ATX Z170 motherboard, which usually have slightly better or more robust power and voltage regulation.

>>58604571
hmm ok gunna buy the rx 480 gtr then.
>>58592753
>i have 2014 seagate 3tb still going strong
>WD from 2011 finally starting to show SMART errors
Why is there a misleading memepic for OP?

>>58605641

>hmm ok gunna buy the rx 480 gtr then.

Remember though, just because those (and other) games murder vram doesn't mean the gpu itself is powerful enough to push good framerates at such settings. That is where you do your own research.

>>58605641
>misleading memepic

You just suck at understanding statistics if you think your experience is not in line with the graph, and would have any significance whatsoever even if it wasn't.

is this a good psu? https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139143

>>58605641
>anecdote=statistic
ya real smart

>>58605864

>how do I psu?

If in doubt, see is jonnyguru has reviewed it.

http://www.jonnyguru.com/

Okay, I want to max out settings for any AAA game and run it at about 80fps (minus Witcher 3, I've heard that's a beast to run with everything maxed).

I also want to run a dual monitor set-up so I can browse on one screen while I play games.

What sort of CPU/GPU/cooling/case should I be looking for? Even after reading through a lot of what is in the sticky and reading through this thread I'm clueless. I'm not really worried about a budget, but I guess $2000 would be my max.

>>58605927
apparently not or at the very least I might be too dumb to find it, but this is on the main page http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=Story6&reid=500 and it seems good

>>58605984

IIRC EVGA rebrand a lot of Super Flower units and you basically don't get anything better than that in the consumer space.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YVJkzM

Is this a reasonable start for a "low" budget workstation?

Any other suggestions?

>>58606033
yeah EVGA isn't even sold here its all super flower

>>58606033
G/P/T2 or 3 (like G2, P2, or T3) are rebranded Super Flowers. GS/PS are rebranded Seasonics. GQ are rebranded FSP
http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/Page2293.htm

>>58602423
not him, but my advice is go for a 6800K instead of the 50K, simply do to the performance difference being very small, but the price difference being around $150. If you can spare an extra 350 on top of that, however, I would recommend this: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/WmdFHN

>>58605189
What actually important features are missing in mATX over ATX ? mITX is where the features start disappearing

>>58606412
>more room for additional power phases
>three or more PCI/PCIe slots
>usually two or more SATA ports
>usually only one M.2 slot
>less or cheaper audio, ethernet, USB, and other controllers

>>58605965
anything should do, 800x600

>>58606437
Different anon, built my brother a computer recently and noticed most newer boards have 2 usb 2.0 connections or less, my old board has 4. Are usb connectors going out of fashion?

>>58606483
Did it maybe have 6 USB 3.0 ports though ?
I don't think mine even has any 2.0 at all
If there's really only 2 USB ports, what the fuck

>>58606483
USB 2.0 connectors are going out of fashion, it's all about 3.0 and 3.1 now

>>58606499
Im talking about the connectors on the board, my brothers mobo had one usb 3.0 and one usb 2.0 and a few ports in the back. Didn't realize this until we received it and the case front panel needed 2 usb 2.0 slots. My fuck up.

>>58606483
USB 2.0 and 3.0 are shared resources from the chipset, but USB 2.0 is now obsolete for almost everything except running mouse, keyboard, and other input-output devices. Usually there are at least two-four USB 2.0 at the rear I/O and at least two USB 2.0 headers on the motherboard for a front panel I/O or direct I/O connector. Those all share the same USB 2.0 bus from the chipset.

>>58606551
oooooh, well yeah most new cases don't even come with USB 2.0 so those that do still have that one or two connectors for front panel or some drive
Why does your front panel need 2 USB connections ? Even 2 USB 2.0 ports could run off one

>>58597941
Lowball the 670 offer but take it anyway, dont get a 750ti

>>58600167
Yes
>>58600241
No, latency is non adjustable
He's right though, compared to frequency, latency makes basically no difference at all. Lower is better of course, but higher frequency beats it all

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https://pcpartpicker.com/list/jH97yf

Finally finished the pick and ordered/purchased everything. space heater 2.0 redux.

tear me down pcbg

>>58606598
>No, latency is non adjustable
It IS adjustable, but only increases.

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>>58606573
2x2usb ports

>>58601204
>AMD cards are much more compatible with Linux?
Why because they're "the good guys"?
Show me proof

>>58606606
>eSATA
Why did this go out of fashion once SATAIII rolled around? eSATA is far better than those stupid USB3.0-to-SATA converters.

>>58600241
you can manually enter timings on most overclocking boards and test for stability. I upped the voltage a bit and went from 10-11-10-31 to 9-9-9-27. it was better at higher clocks with looser timings.

>>58602212
Get a PG278Q, not the PG279Q
With the $300 you saved avoiding IPS bleed, you can get any CPU you want
The 1080 will be fine for one monitor

>>58603965
And the only worthwhile NVME drives are samsung
>>58604055
4K textures are normal at 1080p rendering. For actual 4K games the texture sampling has to be insanely high res to account for angles, same with 1440p
You double the resolution on your textures and you're gonna need some GPU power