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How does one start learning linux?

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I just installed moc. I tried to change the theme, so i copied the example config file and made some changes. But when i put it in the moc folder the theme doesn't change. Where do i have to put the config file ? Do i have to put the whole moc folder into etc the directory ?!

>>58440103
just be yourself

>>58440103
/t/'s GNU/Linux Training Videos:
>>>/t/713097

>>58440103
Learn by doing. Install Gentoo and you will be a Linux blackbelt master by the time you finish.

>>58440078
I've been using Gentoo on my laptop for a while and i quite like it.
I want to set up dual boot on my workstation which is running Windows 7. I have two SSD's and i want to have one OS on each.
If i physically disconnect the Windows SSD and my storage HDD to avoid doing something stupid while setting up the partitions, would GRUB bootloader will be able to autoconfigure everything when i'm done installing Gentoo and plug the drives back in?

>>58440367
>unironically runs Gentoo

>>58440402
There is nothing wrong with installing gentoo. It's an excellent distro

>>58440367
You want windows and gentoo to be completely isolated on two different SSDs?

Can I easily encrypt whole GNU/Linux with Veracrypt like on windows or I need to play with console and commands?

>>58440617
Yes exactly

>>58440694
Read the Gentoo wiki friend. It in most cases will answer any questions you have.

https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GRUB

I just got HP 250. Should I fall for the arch meme or install some *buntu distro?

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>audacity crashes
>this window pops up

Nice.

Will bad things happen if I update packages with apt-get and update other ones using the GUI updater? I've heard doing this can lead to inconsistencies.

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>>58440078
I'm trying to change my keyboard layout to brazillian dvorak with localectl.

localectl set-keymap br-dvorak

But it does't work
localetcl status show it changed to dvorak but it's still typing in qwerty.

>>58440103
1.Install debian
2.Open terminal
3.Mess around with commands & configs
4.Change shells and DEs
5."BREAK SHIT"
6."FIX SHIT"
7.Switch Distros

>>58440139
underrated post

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why does my "fixed" font look like this?

>>58441995
im in arch btw, just update too
how to fix this, thinking of installing ubuntu, srs

>>58440078
Linux n00b here. I recently switched distros from Debian (with GNOME) to Arch and installed awesome. Gotta love tiling wm's.

Now, I want to set up transparency for terminal windows in awesome, so I went and edited ~/.config/awesome/rc.lua to contain the following code:

client.connect_signal("focus", function(c)
                              c.border_color = beautiful.border_focus
                              c.opacity = 1
                           end)
client.connect_signal("unfocus", function(c)
                                c.border_color = beautiful.border_normal
                                c.opacity = 0.7
                             end)

as suggested on the arch wiki, just to see what I'd get. But, that has had no effect. I checked the API documentation (don't understand much though) and apparently c.opacity is still in their API.

Basically, am I even going in the right direction here? Why does that code not work? I just want a transparent terminal (installed urxvt), what setting should I look for?

>>58441995
Just downgrade fontconfig or whatever you just updated.

>>58442232
seems to only affect st, how come

>>58442064

urxvt -tr -tint blue -sh 40

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>>58440078
What;s the best login manager? What do you guys use?

I still type

 startx

every time I log in.

And since I use FDE, I should probably enable autologin... right?

>>58442335
Thanks. That made me understand that I need a compositing window manager, so I installed compton and ran it. Don't know how good compton actually is, but it seems to be working now.

Arch or gentoo for learning more about linux? Passed the beginnner stage pretty much using fedora so looking for more things. Also which one has the largest amount of available packages? Was missing some on fedora which sucked a little

>tried installing debian onto a new win10 laptop
>something fucked up when the installer tried to update-grub
>now I just see grub2 when I turn on my computer

Fuck this gay earth. Can't even get into the BIOS anymore and I've never felt more retarded

>>58440119
Not a moc user myself but some programs expect user-specific configuration files to be directly placed in the home directory (i.e. not in a moc or .moc directory). Give that a try and see how it goes.

>>58440367
Read the wiki like the other anon said for details but essentially grub needs the os-prober feature, so you'll have to recompile that and you should be golden.

>>58443180
Gentoo of course.

I absolutely love how patch management works on Gentoo and you can modify the kernel with ease. That's something that's hard with other distros (including Arch).

>>58443238
boot from USB and run

sudo update-grub (or sudo update-grub2 depending what version you have)

and it will fix it.

Any Solus-fags in here?

I installed Solus to my USB. How do I install mpv via cli? I'm un-familiar with Solus and its package manager and terminal and all that good fun stuff.

>>58443429
The only USB I have was used for the installation media. I think the partitions are fucked up and I don't know how to fix that honestly. Something to do with EFI maybe

>>58443410
> <texteditor> PKGBUILD
> patch -p1 patch.patch
You were saying?

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I'm going to reinstall Gentoo. I'm planning btrfs, libressl, musl and grsec with pax and rbac.

What else should I throw in?

>>58440402
>doing anything ironically

>>58443559
No multilib and hardened?

>>58443461
Not the anon you replied to. But he's on the right track and you're way off with EFI and BIOS suspicions. If you didn't overwrite your windows partition when you installed debian, there's still hope. Run update-grub and let it generate a configuration file. Reboot. If grub still fails on picking up on the windows partition, you can manually edit the grub config file in /etc/defaults.

>>58442974
I recently looked into it and couldn't find a single acceptable one.

They seem to basically just be pretty interfaces for logging in and don't do any of what I would expect them to do (allow multi user sessions with screen locking so other users can't just ctrl+alt+F7 and get into your session without a password)

So I ended up just doing what I needed without it. Instead of startx I do startx&exit so my login on tty1 can't be exploited by other users. Then I use i3lock to lock my screen.
If I want other users to log in they can just do the same thing and everyone's session is more or less protected as it should be.

> need to edit a file
> open it with vim
> start typing
> text is flying all over the page
> hotkeys are mapped to regular keys unlike any other text editor ever made
How the fuck do you type in this??

>>58443693
I might be misunderstanding, but when I insert the USB it takes me to the installer, and if I try to boot with no extra media inserted it takes me to the grub prompt.

I did overwrite the windows partition, because I just bought this thing cheap and wanted to use it for school/messing around

>>58443805
Tiem to learn how to fish anon.

But I'm bored so I'll explain it anyway. The only major difference is it uses modes. By "normal" mode doesn't let you input text. In that mode you have hotkeys to move around quickly, copy text, paste, create macros, you can even type a number before whatever action you do to have it automatically repeat that amount of times, etc..
If you want to type you just press "i" (or similarly "a"). Then it behaves more or less just like a normal editor: keys just input text, arrows move around, etc.
and you just press escape to go back to the normal mode.

I liked it even when I was a noob because you could leave the editor open in the normal mode and not have to worry about accidentally entering text and stuff. Most of the hotkeys just move you around, like you said.

>>58443805
>>58443907
Also, it's even possible to enable the mouse with vim so you can just click where you want to go. Most people, including me, don't like to do that though.

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>>58443907
>open text editor
>cant actually edit any text
>have to press keybinds to do basic text editing
>this logic

>>58440402
what's wrong with gentoo?

>>58443712
>startx&exit
never heard of this way of starting X. thanks! and I agree that none of them are good.

>>58443949
It's 1 fucking button anon.

>>58443805
press i you dumb fuck.
moreover, dont use vim until you do the tutorial. type 'vimtutor' or enter :tutor if you wanna do it right now.

>>58443998
>requiring a tutorial to use a basic text editor

>>58444012
>requiring a football helmet to walk down the block without hurting yourself

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>>58443949
>hold fishing rod
>cant actually catch any fish
>have to spin the reel around to do basic fishing
>this logic

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>>58443805
>>58443949
>>58444012

Time to learn Emacs.

>>58444012
>>58443949
>IT SHOULD JUST WERK WITHOUT LEARNING ANYTHING TO ACCOMIDATE MY LEARNING DISABILITY
Vim's weird hotkeys make it extremely ergonomic and efficient. It's like this for a reason.
For example, when I used it to take notes in class, I could very quickly insert a line of #'s to delineate sections. much faster than holding down the key then copypasting.
It also makes canging small things easier with the replace mode and the change function.
Use nano if you absolutely insist on maintaining an irrational hatred of it to show /g/ how you're TOTALLY not "autistic" or anything.

>>58444075
>"learning" a basic text editor

>>58444094
>basic

>>58443442
Eopkg install mpv

>>58444094
It's an operating system you irreverent fuck

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>>58444238

>>58443892
Update: I gave up and installed Xubuntu. Just werked

>>58444435
IMO Xubuntu looks pretty awful by default. Get some themes, icons and a dock if you want it to look better.

>>58444462
I was gonna try out i3 and see where that takes me

>>58444485
I'm running i3 and i3-gaps right now. I love how customizable it is.

>>58444552
>tiling wm
>wasting screen real estate on gaps

>>58444612
I like how it looks, I'm not using it to save screen real estate.

>>58440078
Is it true that if linux distros had more top-of-the-line software (such as Adobe shit and games), they would be the only logical OS to use?

t. winfag, linux noob

>>58443666
I just found out musl and no multilib support.

>>58445134
>and
*has

I want to update openSUSE Tumbleweed, but it gave me a pretty grave warning about the Mesa-dri-nouveau driver being dangerous to install.

How should I go about updating everything else but that driver? Terminal just stops the update process if I don't agree to install it.

>>58443907
Thanks. I checked online immediately after posting but I figured someone would get a kick out of it anyway

>>58445014
Linux is just the name of the kernel, the system is the GNU system.

The point of using GNU/Linux is running free software, so it doesn't make an ysense to add proprietary stuff in order to gain market share.

>top-of-the-line software (such as Adobe shit...
Proprietary (freedom rejecting) software is actually the bottom line of good software. You can't even measure any quality since the source code isn't available, so let's assume the quality is a bit above 0% since it sometimes acutally allows you to do something.

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>>58445654
my nigga

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>>58445654
I said linux distros, not linux.

>so let's assume the quality is a bit above 0% since it sometimes acutally allows you to do something.
Well shit, I guess I should just use GNU programs that have 99+% quality code because if there are no features, there are no mistakes that can be made when not coding them!

>>58445014
just use the stuff the way it's supposed to be:
gnu+linux as main os for computing and windows for gaming
alternativly just run windows in a vm with gpu passthrough

>>58445654
No, Richard, it's 'Linux', not 'GNU/Linux'. The most important contributions that the FSF made to Linux were the creation of the GPL and the GCC compiler. Those are fine and inspired products. GCC is a monumental achievement and has earned you, RMS, and the Free Software Foundation countless kudos and much appreciation.

Following are some reasons for you to mull over, including some already answered in your FAQ.

One guy, Linus Torvalds, used GCC to make his operating system (yes, Linux is an OS -- more on this later). He named it 'Linux' with a little help from his friends. Why doesn't he call it GNU/Linux? Because he wrote it, with more help from his friends, not you. You named your stuff, I named my stuff -- including the software I wrote using GCC -- and Linus named his stuff. The proper name is Linux because Linus Torvalds says so. Linus has spoken. Accept his authority. To do otherwise is to become a nag. You don't want to be known as a nag, do you?

(An operating system) != (a distribution). Linux is an operating system. By my definition, an operating system is that software which provides and limits access to hardware resources on a computer. That definition applies whereever you see Linux in use. However, Linux is usually distributed with a collection of utilities and applications to make it easily configurable as a desktop system, a server, a development box, or a graphics workstation, or whatever the user needs. In such a configuration, we have a Linux (based) distribution. Therein lies your strongest argument for the unwieldy title 'GNU/Linux' (when said bundled software is largely from the FSF). Go bug the distribution makers on that one. Take your beef to Red Hat, Mandrake, and Slackware. At least there you have an argument. Linux alone is an operating system that can be used in various applications without any GNU software whatsoever. Embedded applications come to mind as an obvious example.

>>58445654
>>The point of using GNU/Linux is running free software
>Linux/GNU's only purpose is a political statement
I guess you don't use websites that run propriety code either?

>>58445654
>>58445745
Next, even if we limit the GNU/Linux title to the GNU-based Linux distributions, we run into another obvious problem. XFree86 may well be more important to a particular Linux installation than the sum of all the GNU contributions. More properly, shouldn't the distribution be called XFree86/Linux? Or, at a minimum, XFree86/GNU/Linux? Of course, it would be rather arbitrary to draw the line there when many other fine contributions go unlisted. Yes, I know you've heard this one before. Get used to it. You'll keep hearing it until you can cleanly counter it.

You seem to like the lines-of-code metric. There are many lines of GNU code in a typical Linux distribution. You seem to suggest that (more LOC) == (more important). However, I submit to you that raw LOC numbers do not directly correlate with importance. I would suggest that clock cycles spent on code is a better metric. For example, if my system spends 90% of its time executing XFree86 code, XFree86 is probably the single most important collection of code on my system. Even if I loaded ten times as many lines of useless bloatware on my system and I never excuted that bloatware, it certainly isn't more important code than XFree86. Obviously, this metric isn't perfect either, but LOC really, really sucks. Please refrain from using it ever again in supporting any argument.

Last, I'd like to point out that we Linux and GNU users shouldn't be fighting among ourselves over naming other people's software. But what the heck, I'm in a bad mood now. I think I'm feeling sufficiently obnoxious to make the point that GCC is so very famous and, yes, so very useful only because Linux was developed. In a show of proper respect and gratitude, shouldn't you and everyone refer to GCC as 'the Linux compiler'? Or at least, 'Linux GCC'? Seriously, where would your masterpiece be without Linux? Languishing with the HURD?

>>58445654
>mfw this delusional freetard dosent realize he is using google botnet software to post on a closed source proprietary software imageboard

>>58445715
>Well shit, I guess I should just use GNU programs that have 99+% quality code because if there are no features, there are no mistakes that can be made when not coding them!
this is true
I have never had any security breach or system crash due to

echo

>>58445734
Yeah, that's pretty much what I do; Windows for graphics and gaming, new/linus for computing.

>>58445654
>The point of using GNU/Linux is running free software

Not mine.

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>>58445745
>>58445762
y so mad tho senpai. Linux will always be Linux. GNU will always be GNU. GNU/Linux is the combination of both.

>>58445654
>The point of using GNU/Linux is running free software
If you really think that's the biggest reason to use it then you are probably fairly tech illiterate.
The way I use a GNU/Linux machine compared to how I would use a Windows machine is a world of difference, and that's purely functionality that has nothing to do with whether the code is open source or not.

By the way, sorry for this derail guys. It won't happen again.

>>58445792
>functionality that has nothing to do with whether the code is open source or not
lolwut, you don't even know what the program actually does when the sauce isn't available

I'm on Arch, btw.

>>58445849
same here, (if it mattters)

>>58445825
Do you know what the CPU in your car does each and every time you interact with it?
How can you be sure?
Oh right,
HYPOCRISY

>>58445825
Well I'm sure it isn't hard for you to imagine how someone might operate on a daily basis without "knowing what the program actually does" then because I'm betting you do it yourself too.
Unless you're telling me you've thoroughly read and understood the code of every piece of software you've ever run and also kept up to date on any updates.

>>58445825
You just rely on other people to tell you what you want to hear, just like with any other software. Don't act like you can audit it yourself

>>58445885
>he doesn't reprogram his dashboard
have fun when toyota gets hacked and your car drives off a cliff

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FUUUUUCCKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just upgraded Arch and it broke my Terminus font!!!!!!
I use Terminus for everything and I don't have time to deal with this right now!!!

>>58446125
That sucks. Do you know how it broke?

>>58446125
rollback harfbuzz, it breaks font rendering

>>58446145
no

>>58446155
I rolled back fontconfig and xorg-mkfontdir and nothing

>>58446125
just roll back all the packages you upgraded

>>58446125
same thing for me, it broke my fixed font, st looks like shit

>>58446125
> arch
found your problem

>>58446206
Cant reproduce here,all i have blacklisted is harfbuzz and all font rendering is fine with Syu
Did you log out of your xsession after rolling back harfbuzz?

>>58446219
>>58446235
>>58446155
The following packages were upgraded:
>fontconfig
>gcc
>gcc-libs
>grub
>libsystemd
>systemd
>systemd-sysvcompat
>vim
>vim-runtime
>xorg-mkfontdir
and out of those only fontconfig and xorg-mkfontdir have something to do with fonts so I downgraded them and even reinstalled terminus-font and nothing

Hello everyone, I am stuck between using Debian/Fedora for my XPS13, I will be using GNOME as my desktop environment of choice. I have only had experience with FreeBSD and openSUSE/Arch briefly if that means anything, I would appreciate any input from anyone who has experience with either.

Thanks

>>58446273
I did this now, still nothing.
It's like my terminus font doesn't even exist, I can't find it in lxappearance, my i3 bar is fucked and urxvt can't seem to read it from .Xresources

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>>58446125
>>58446235
>the satisfying feel when arch kids get what they deserve

>>58446339
suck my dick you colossal fucking turdlog

>>58446294
I use Debian stable on some home file servers, but I've never used it on a desktop. It's stable as a rock, but as a side effect the packages are old and may behave differently than what you are used to.

Seeing as you're coming from a FreeBSD background, utilities are going to act differently than what you're used to on almost any GNU/Linux distro so I guess that may not be a big deal.

I don't have any experience with other Debian variations or Fedora.

>>58446339
>apt wants to remove 500 packages and install 3
>apt has encountered a dependency issue
>apt has crashed

>>58446373
kek I remember this

>>58446361
aww, poor arch user. Why don't you switch to ubuntu

>people who use [distro I dont like] are [somehow pathetic, stupid and terrible]
This board is fucking disgusting.

>>58446427
I don't know why I read this board, since the general threads that don't involve linux are buried under mountains of faggots

>“I think our code quality is higher, just because that’s really a big focus for us,” De Raadt says. “Linux has never been about quality. There are so many parts of the system that are just these cheap little hacks, and it happens to run.” As for Linus Torvalds Linus Torvalds , who created Linux and oversees development, De Raadt says, “I don’t know what his focus is at all anymore, but it isn’t quality.”
>Torvalds, via e-mail, says De Raadt is “difficult” and declined to comment further.
klekl

I have 2 hard drives. Can I install a distro to my secondary drive and have the PC boot into the bootloader on startup without having to go in the bios every time?

>>58440103
>Download Debian
>Try to install Nginx with PHP and MySQL
>install Tor from source and create a hidden service with just the Terminal
>install x86 wine on x64 Debian and emulate some Windows program. Could be tricky.
>read the first 50 pages of Unix Power Tools (just google it and get a pdf. Maybe you use Lynx instead of Firefox?)

Then you should have a solid base.
Next you could install Gentoo or Arch to learn even more.

>>58446399
:'(

since /g/ in general seems to hate linux and love getting cucked by apple/microsoft, what imageboard should I go to to discuss linux instead?

>>58443442

Same-fagging and bumping myself with a new question.

How do install Chrome or Chrome Deve/Canaray through eopkg cli?

These didn't work for me,

sudo eopkg install google-chrome
sudo eopkg install google-chrome dev

I haven't tried installing Chrome Canary through eopkg cli but I'm sure I'll still get some kind of error anyway.

>>58446663
just create a linux thread

>>58446728
>chrome
literally botnet

>>58446728
Get a better browser, that should automatically solve your problem.

>>58446764

Ask if I care, Doctor Tin Foil. I don't.

>>58446783

Nah. I'm good. I always stick to Chrome and install it on any of my Win and Linux installs anyday.

>>58446857
GNU/Linux*

>>58446857
>using chrome
>using windows
>not caring about security
>>>/out/

How do you guys handle using browsers other than firefox without all the addons? I've getting pretty sick of it, vanilla firefox is full of bloat and some updates they've pushed out mean many aolder addons no longer work. Same for v27 and newer for palemoon which is what i use now.

What desktop environment makes the most use of space? I've been using Gnome but there menu bar takes up way too much space on top of the top bar

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>>58440977
Try both

>>58441095
Nothing bad will happen. The GUI updater updates with apt

>>58441136
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/dvorak#Setting_dvorak_layout

>>58441995
>>58446125

Use a monospaced font for your terminal, newfag

>>58443180
Gentoo if you want to know how to compile with USE flags.

>>58443805
>>58443949
>>58444012
Just use nano
or textadept-ncurses (Actually autism free).


>>58446339
This is how Arch teaches you about stuff.

>>58446486
Enjoy your FBI backdoors, my man.

[On a side note, do you want your thread wrecked again? :^)]

>>58446493
Yes

>>58447229
Don't use it then. You will grow out of edgy browsers anyways. It's just a phase.

>>58447306
Install an extension called pixelsaver

>>58447306
I would say i3wm.

God, I love Emacs, seriously I don't know I lived without this. EmacsMasterRace

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>>58440078
>/t/'s GNU/Linux Training Videos:
>>>>/t/713097
I'm on Mint (babbys first linux). Will the Ubuntu guide be useful? What are the main differences?

I R onethreethreesevenheckerman because I use terms like gnu/linux or gnu+linux

>>58447497
There aren't many differences AFAIK. I think it's just the DE and a few different packages. Everything on the Ubuntu wiki should work for you.

>>58447624
>I think it's just the DE and a few different packages.
Yeah, I think so too. I've started the tutorials and I can already see how similar they are, even with a different DE.
Thanks Anon.

Apologize for the stupid question but iam About to get arch installed on a usb drive to carry it around can this be done like most of other distros if yes how long does it take and doest run desently ?i dont want to go through the trouble of downloading it if it cant be done effectivly
Thx for your answers

>>58447497
Mint is based.on Ubuntu latest version so i guess yes

Why haven't you switched to pupper linux yet?

>>58447701
Yeah it would work live, but in order to make it useful without an internet connection you would need to add more packages to the ISO.

If you're only using it live, you're better off getting a different distro for the purpose.

>>58446857
>>58446728

Self-Shame-Bump #2. Help me out here, please.

>>58447800
Solus's worst downside is lack of packages. It's possible it doesn't exist in the repos.

>>58447338
Are you still using Xubuntu?

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>trying to compile arch
>try to download base group through pacstrap after partitioning hard drive
>"error: no usable package repositories configured ."
Someone please help

>>58448203
nice meme

what is the best distro for playing AAA+++ video games?

>>58448231
Trisquel

>>58440078
>Linux
delete this https://www.linuxfoundation.org/trademark-usage

>encode a webm using ffmpeg in ubuntu
>upload to the chan
>post failed contains embedded file

w-what?

>>58448403
did you -an and -c:v libvpx ?

>>58448408
yeah it's the same commands I use for all my webms.

Also what the fuck is with trying to make them from long movies. The way seeking and -ss works is retarded when it comes to making a small clip taken like 2 hours into a movie.

>>58448434
>making a small clip taken like 2 hours into a movie.

you should copy then convert afterwards
>ffmpeg IN -ss 00:12:45 -t 35 -c copy -an OUT

you guys are right, arch is a meme
update recently my wm and fonts broke

gonna /gentoo/ tomorrow

>>58447338
>monospace
nope, bitmap is only choice

>>58448596
see >>58446339

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As a total newbie to the Unix operating system (specifically linux) how do I go about being familiar with this operating system? I've used a guide to install Arch but haven't really played around on it because im busy with school at the moment, how exactly do I get a grasp of "whats going on" without reading a 500 page thick manual on how everything works? Arch wiki doesnt explain much either it just tells you stuff to input you dont understand to get things working.

After my daily sudo pacman -Syu the font I used in my terminal and i3status bar look really gross. What do? I'm on Arch.

>>58448662
Unix is OS X. Linux is a kernel. If you're going to program in UNIX, buy a mac.

>>58448681
What are you talking about

>>58448662
check out >>>/a/, then install gentoo

>>58448824
Don't shill your meme if you don't even have it installed yourself

People who actually understand how distros like arch and gentoo work arent fucking retarded

Unless youre some babby that just copied a youtube tutorial

>>58448892
Both, Arch and Gentoo are meme distros. Don't bother.

>>58448920
>debibabby detected

>>58448547
That's what I did it just seems pretty hamfisted the way it works.

>>58448662
just use arch as your main distro all the time. don't approach it like schoolwork because fuck that. Just pick stuff up incrementally

>>58449017
Arch isn't meant to be used as main distro.

>>58448662
Easiest way is to just use it.
Identify what you want, and get it by googling for answers and you slowly learn in the process.

Be aware though that Arch isn't exactly a hands-off distro. If you don't have the patience to spend an hour or more figuring something out (and you should probably have the expectation that occasionally that thing is going to be something that broke and is preventing you from doing something else that you really want to do)
then distros like Arch and Gentoo are probably not the best choices until you've already learned enough.
But on the other hand if you do have the patience and won't get frustrated when things don't work right away then you can absolutely use these distros as a noob.

If you're the former, then I'd recommend switching for now, and just do like I said at the top. You slowly learn as you identify things you want to do/change with your system and you search how to do it.

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>>58449026

>>58446125
literally same thing
it's currently called "xos4 Terminus"
some guy on the forums said it'll be fixed back to "Terminus" again soon(TM)

>>58449017
>>58449041
The thing is, if I google solutions and shit, will I actually learn whats happening or am I just going to find answers and not know the meaning/mechanics behind them?

Is learning Arch literally like understanding the microarchitecture behind the machine?

How in depth is it actually?

Or does it just consist of terminal commands that just does stuff that you memorize

>>58448670
>>58448596

see >>58446125 and >>58446125

you'll probably find that your font starts with "xos4 " now

>>58449087
>>58446339

>>58449087
are you using arch linux?

>>58449139
yes

>>58449097
arch is piss easy, every noob can install it in 30 minutes, follow the guide, create a filesystem, install a de, done
after that you woun't "learn" anything, since arch (the aur) is spoonfeeding you with every little shit

>>58449158
cool

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>>58449174
yep

>>58449097
Not really. Basically you create partitions and filesystems, pacstrap, edit fstab, change some configs and then you have an installation.

It's good for learning how to use a few GNU utilities but I can't say that it helps you learn about how the machine really works.

It doesn't take that long to install it so I'd recommend doing it once just to get the experience.

>>58449097
About as in depth as you'd ever need to get, unless you're a kernel developer, is to just understand the major components.
How the filesystem is structured (basically just the organizational scheme of files and how Linux permissions work), know a little bit about the boot process like how disk partitions need to be set up so it works and can find your kernel. Then there's things like how your fonts are rendered (fontconfig), what managers your GUI's (window manager and what Xorg is, or the new Wayland when it's ready), etc..

It doesn't take long until you have some base knowledge of most components and that helps to diagnose problems.
Other than that, yeah it's pretty much remembering terminal commands. But even if you forget it's a piece of cake to search for them again.

>>58449097
>google
use searx, google is botnet

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>AnarchoLesbian !FCKH8

Can someone else please start the thread next time?

Go back to /leftypol/.

>>58449216
What are the best searx services?

>>58449274
Check their github site, there's a huge list. IMHO just use searx.me and speed it up by disabling search engines you don't need.

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found this on reddit

>>58449320
>someone turned linux into a botnet
absolute madman

>>58449320
>found this on reddit
>image.png
Pls go back

>>58449320
>showing off the enabled desktop search
bad bait

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>>58449320
oh shit, Bacchus uses linux kernel.

>>58449344
linux already is botnet (unless you deblob it)

function in your config or shell script in your bin
how does /fglt/ shell scripts?

>>58449474
.bashrc sources .functions

Gonna reinstall Arch after my previous HDD died out of the blue.
What does everyone do after a reinstall? Not talking about basic shit like setting up WiFi or picking a web broser, but stuff like cron jobs or lighttpd/apache servers, etc

I'm personally gonna spend AT LEAST half a hour fiddling with the Openbox rc.

I'm already dreading trying to make Grub work with my UEFI again, since last time I reinstalled it worked purely out of luck after pasting commands from the arch wiki without even looking, out of exasperation.

>>58449474
Everything that is basically nothing more than a complex alias -> ~/%src

Everything else -> ~/bin, because you may want to use scripts with other programs outside the terminal too.

>>58449503
>Arch
neat, I'm on Arch too

>>58449503
>unironically using arch
>>>/r/eddit

>>58449529
Weak bait. I expected more effort from you.

>>58449519
A large portion of /g/ is on Arch.

No sqt right now so I'm asking here.

Why is

[11 + (−2)] + [5 + (−14)]

0 and not 18?

>>58449649
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_operations

First come the operations in {}, then in [], then in (), then multiplications and divisions left to right in the order they appear, and then subtractions and additions left to right in the order they appear.

>>58449649
How can you add that up to be anything other than 0?
Parentheses doesn't really matter when everything is addition.

>>58449216
>not using DDG

>>58449668
Orders doesn't matter in additions.
Take the two parentheses and you have 9+(-9)
Take all the positives and negatives separately and you have
16+(-16)
Etc.
He is clearly just an idiot.

Which will be the next distro to ship with Wayland?
Is wayland useable on Manjaro or Antergos today?

>>58447920
No. Ubuntu with cinnamon atm

>>58449703
tl;dr: not really.

The problem is, most software does not support wayland. Not even most DM/WM. It's like GNU/Hurd at this point. Check back in 10 years.

what is the most redpilled distro?

>tfw too intelligent to be a commie
>tfw too intelligent to use wangblows or Mac

>>58449503
Why do all that when you have Ubuntu install itself in two minutes, git pull your dotfiles, and get back to work?

>>58449720
TempleOS is certainly the most redpilled OS ever made.

>>58449728
Because I'm not gay.
Also because Pacman and rolling releases.

>>58449719
It's not the software itself, it's mostly the graphical toolkit.

Qt4 and gtk2 has a limited wayland support. But Qt5 and gtk3 is fully supported and they do not require xwayland proxy.

>>58449703
Ubuntu

>>58449720
what is a "redpilled" distro?

>>58449719
>most software does not support wayland
Most GTK and Qt programs that aren't doing anything silly should work on Wayland.
Xwayland exists for the programs that don't.
>Not even most DM/WM
And most never will. Wayland is completely different than Xorg, so "porting" a WM would most likely facilitate a complete rewrite.
But yeah, besides Gnome, most Wayland compositors are still in their infancy, and aren't ready for prime-time yet.

>>58449734
Arch users confirmed for breeder scum

>>58449720
>redpilled
Windows XP or Windows 7 until your computer dies and you're forced to adapt to whatever comes pre-installed on your next one.

>>58449764
Sounds more "cucked" than "redpilled" to me.

>>58449781
That's what someone who uses the term "redpilled" does.

>>58449696
>not using ddg just for !g

>>58440078
Is git better than portage to sync repositories?

>>58449846
>git better than portage to sync repositories?
git is faster than rsync, if thats what ya mean?

>>58449804
Well I would say I use the ddg engine for 70% of my searches, Google still does have the best search engine for relevant results. Bing is god tier for porn.


I still don't trust google though. sure you search google through ddg but then you get redirected to the google results page, so wouldn't they be able to track your searches and know it's you anyway?

Hello guys

What's a good minimalist conky config?
No cpu temp please because it's borked on AMD cpus

Is there a rolling release distro that doesn't suck? I want stable packages and I don't want to have to install a whole new version of the distro every six months, or ever really.

>>58449889
Manjaro

>>58449882
The best and most minimalist conky config is not using conky at all.

>>58449869
just use an inexpensive vpn and configure router to generalize user data

>>58449889
G E N T O O
E
N
T
O
O

>>58449892
Isn't Manjaro just arch with a GUI installer? Or is that antergos? I'd like relatively stable packages.

>>58449882
>minimalist conky config

  xterm -geometry 80x6 -e htop 

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>>58449696
>>58449804
>>58449869

>>58449912
As a relative new linux user (1 week) I have no idea what to do with this line, I'm sorry.

>>58449941
GNU/Linux*

>>58440402
It's a meme, but it's unironically a good distro.

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>>58449941
it does this

>>58449882
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTkYUUfewck

>>58449941
He's saying use htop to get info about the system. It's a task manager.

>>58449941
xterm is a standard terminal that comes with x (your window system), htop is a curses system monitor (you may need to install it first), which gets (-e)xecuted with xterm
>>58449955
>special snowflake shadow
completly homo

>>58449857
Yes, thinking of worth it switch from Gentoo to Funtoo

Should I read 'The Linux Command Line' by Shotts?
Is it good?

>>58449955
>not using top

>>58449972
go ahead, theres only minor differences between package versions

>>58449986
no

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>>58449971
>special snowflake shadow
use imagemagic

>>58449987
have you used top before?

>>58449995
Why?

What's better?

>>58449986
The only good sources on shell hacking is the bash hackers wiki, greycats wiki and the grymoire. Drop everything else since it teaches only trash.

>>58450027
>trash
wat

>>58450027
>greycats wiki
Sauce on this?

Also, I don't want to go into shell hacking yet. I want beginner tutorials like navigating file systems, setting permissions, searching etc.

>>58449889
I've has good experiences with Arch Linux. If you want a GUI from the start, it has two forks that pride themselves on user friendliness — Antergos and Apricity — though I've only used the latter.

>>58449889
Debian Sid/Unstable is pretty good if you follow a correct procedure for updating. Breaks occasionally. I had gpg temporarily break last year. A following dist-upgrade fixed it. If I were installing today, I'd probably go with Testing instead of Unstable. I could change it in place with minimal effort, but I won't.

>>58450036
Stuff like cat | grep or uppercase variables are good indicators to see if the source you're learning from is trash. tldp is a good example.

>>58450044
for basic stuff the book is good
>greycats wiki
http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide
for more stuff check the copypasta collection in the OP for the shell pasta

>>58450049
So do you have any good reads on fundamentals of terminal?

>>58450063
Back in my days people weren't this lazy and just pasted a pasta. ;_;

>>58450077
And wasted 2 posts

>>58450077
yeah and then we had op + 20 additional posts for pasta, that's why the collection exists

>>58450063
Alright, thanks.

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Does anyone know if it's possible to use opensuse on a surface with touch compatibility? DE is going to be GNOME, some people have said they got it to work but those guides are fairly dated and I wanted to know if it's possible on a surface pro 4, or if it won't even recognise the keyboard. also I'm a complete linux noob, only recently installed mint on desktop

>>58450092
Ubuntu is more likely to work ootb.

Is convergence dead these days?

>>58450107
pls stop namefagging

>>58450113
h e h
e
h

where can I find some good stallman wallpapers?

>>58450126
https://rms.sexy/

>>58450126
https://rms.sexy/

>>58450126
see OP's /wg/ links, there are some
also check rms.sexy

>>58450126
https://rms.sexy/

>>58450126

https://stallman.org/#travel_photos

>>58450138
>>58450143
>>58450146
>>58450149
>>58450151

thank you bb

>>58450107

>Ubuntu is more likely to work ootb.
[citation needed]

Why would it work better assuming he uses the same environment and same packages? Kill yourself for spreading misinformation, idiot.

g++ supports C++17 now

>>58450166
Did you miss the ootb part?

>>58450166
wew

>>58450126

wget -nd -nv -ERhtml -Ajpg,JPG -r rms.sexy/img/

>>58449741

>Qt4 and gtk2 has a limited wayland support
Where does it say they have Wayland "support" at all?

https://wayland.freedesktop.org/toolkits.html

Again, read this >>58450166.

>>58450183
wew lad, reggo tha eggo

>>58450170

No, I didn't, you retard. You can install GNOME on both Ubuntu and OpenSUSE out of the box. OpenSUSE even has a version which offers the latest packages, while Ubuntu only offers fixed-release versions, which means there's a slightly higher chance that it might work better with OpenSUSE.
Kill yourself.

>>58450195
>you retard
>Kill yourself.

why so mad anon, we're all friendly people here

>>58450205
why be friendly when you can be mad and let everyone know you're mad?

>>58450107
>ootb
What sort of things do I need to update for better touchscreen support?
Like I said I've seen older guides when searching but I'm mainly not sure what the most up to date thing to do is...
>>58450195
>>58450205
no fight pls

noob here, what means "ootb"?

>>58450222
>out of the booty
anal slang

>>58450222
>noob
>trips
out of the box

>>58450222
Out of the box. Google is your friend for questions like these.

>>58450235
>Google is your friend
nice try NSA

>>58450205

Because he's an obnoxious asshole who uses a name and thinks he's a "celebrity" on a text based, anonymous internet forum and then he goes on and keeps writing inane, retarded things, confusing normal people.

What is stallman even doing on his laptop 24/7? He doesn't code anymore and he doesn't maintain his own website.

>>58450246
>normal people.
you're lost to begin with; >>>/r/eddit

>>58450183
Qt4 has had an experimental wayland support. Can't remember about gtk2.

>Again, read this >>58450166.
see >>58450170

>>58450195
Try not to be hostile, it'll not end up good for you.
>You can install GNOME on both Ubuntu and OpenSUSE out of the box
You can install GNOME in a freetard distro like trisquel but it does not mean it'll be as functional ootb as distros with non free codecs enabled distros. Furthermore drivers may be a pain in the ass to find and install on a surfacebook. If you are new just install *buntu.

You can install latest packages in bleeding edge freetard distros as well but the point will still stand. Now try not to be edgy there,

>>58450246
4chan is not anonymous. Your browsing history is very likely to be archived in their servers and you are a massive retard if you think otherwise, newfag.

>>58450215
If your graphics module requires non free libraries you want to use Ubuntu as a newbie,

>>58450254
Mostly just email and offline web browsing. When someone mails a link to a page and he wants to view it, a download request is placed in his email client's outbox, and then the webpage appears as a reply to the relevant email in the next batch. It's not overly complicated like people make out. It's a very simple and intuitive way to do things with intermittent connectivity while traveling.

>>58450271
*but it does not mean it'll be as functional ootb as distros with non free codecs e̶n̶a̶b̶l̶e̶d̶ ̶d̶i̶s̶t̶r̶o̶s̶.̶

>>58450273
Not always, he's browssing the web too with Icecat (and Tor).

>>58450288
Could you please stop using a name when posting? It's annoying. Thanks!

>>58450271

>You can install GNOME in a freetard distro like trisquel but it does not mean it'll be as functional ootb as distros with non free codecs enabled distros. Furthermore drivers may be a pain in the ass to find and install on a surfacebook. If you are new just install *buntu.

You can install latest packages in bleeding edge freetard distros as well but the point will still stand. Now try not to be edgy there,
None of those things addresses the original point of the post: OpenSUSE and Ubuntu differences/similarities.

>4chan is not anonymous. Your browsing history is very likely to be archived in their servers and you are a massive retard if you think otherwise, newfag.
I suggest you improve your reading comprehension and figuring out context. Then try reading that again.

>>58450308
Does his current laptop have free wifi drivers?

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>>58450334
It's best that you NOT try to teach ME how to use OpenSUSE, neo-/g/.

SUSE has licensing restriction that prevents some non free drivers/packages to be installed by default.

Also

4chan
is
NOT
anonymous

>>58450320
See picture

>>58450334
My friend also told me Mint is Ubuntu without the bloat, so if I where to install Ubuntu would it be better to just use Mint or is he wrong?

Also I'm fine with installing the drivers later if that would work

Is this site good to learn more about Linux?
https://linuxjourney.com/

Is it required to be a retarded communist to use Linux? Is using proprietary packages enough to upset you guys?

I enjoy using Mint on my laptop because it doesn't look like something someone was forced to make in a chinese sweatshop somewhere for zero compensation other than the right to live for another few hours.

Why does one of the greatest pieces of software ever made have to get adopted by you people?

>>58450416

Things you use cannot be bloat.
Secondly, it's the other way around. Mint "builds" on Ubuntu and they add more stuff to it. There is no reason to use Linux Mint. The only reason which would come to my mind is if you want to use their desktop environment as soon as it becomes available. Even then I'm not sure how much Ubuntu lags behind in packaging the latest Cinnamon release or if they do at all.

>>58450460

Only an idiot would go through that once, then forget about 99% during the next 5 minutes. You learn by using it and looking things up specifically when you encounter them.

>>58450271
>but it does not mean it'll be as functional ootb as distros with non free codecs enabled distros.

all that ootb functionality of not having to type an extra command to enable non-free repos, wew lads

>>58450365
who is this 4chan?

Whats a good source on learning how to write a manpage?

>>58450143
>>58450138
>>58450149
that sling, oh lordy

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>>58450491
when will hiroshima delete /pol/

>>58450525
Uh, no. Leap currently has a dependency hell with non free codecs

>>58450491
Just ignore far leftists/rightists.

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Kali Linux!

>>58450222
out of da box, aka. "Just Werks(TM)"

>>58450818
babbyware?

>>58450832
grownupware for getting shit done

>>58445874
me too, because it does matter.

>>58450847
>getting shit done
watching anime?

New thread: >>58450860
>New thread: >>58450860
New thread: >>58450860
>New thread: >>58450860

>>58450863
fuck off with your shit, also bump limit is 310

>>58449164
Except the AUR doesn't have everything so you're still gonna end up manually installing packages at some point. I bet Gentoo fags be jelly.
Dont like the AUR? Don't use it and makepkg manually, edgelord.

>>58450968
the aur is the only reason to use arch anyway

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>>58450854

>>58450642
>Just ignore far leftists/rightists.
This thread is made by one of them

>>58447338
>monospace
no, you're the newfag here mate

also, either drop the name or go back to the website you came from where names are appreciated

>>58451704
top heh

hello

>>58451768
>>58450860

>>58447701
I installed xubuntu on an USB (no live version, an actual install) and it kept freezing on me for like 0,5 secs when doing normal stuff and intensive tasks would do that more frequently.

How secure is using veracrypt? Say I secure my bitcoin wallet/keys with $25,000 worth of bitcoin on a veracrypt file container (protected by a 100-character randomly generated password and 5 randomly generated keyfiles) and post the file online saying "have at it and the bitcoins are all yours!" I'm assuming that it's so insanely secure with the password and keyfiles that even at quantum computing speeds it will pretty much never be cracked.