/pcbg/ - PC Building General

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first for LinusTechTips and also fuck Newegg

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>>58413233

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>mfw waiting for my new monitor in the mail

https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/kbX2zM
I intend to overclock as much as I can
This would be used for light/medium gaming.
If you have any advice on how to make this cheaper than I'm all ears

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>>58413292
>mfw throwing boxes around haphazardly at post office

>>58413207
Does anyone here

Have an H100i v2

And can tell me if it's loud

>>58413316
At full blast they're extremely loud
At normal speeds they're noticable noise, but not anything horrifying. replacing your radiator fans will help with noise a lot, the pump noise is also there but it's not distracting or anything

>>5841330
Shit. Get 8350 and different mobo, you will be much better off

>>58413348
Will they be loud with a 6700k @ 4.7 Ghz playing intensive games?

>>58413316
I have a h115i. It has a sata plug for power. If you don't use the sata it gets noisy, or so i've read. Check your power hookup.

>>58413373
Probably not, as 6700ks aren't hard to cool at all

>>58413393
So I wouldn't need 280mm to not have a fucky loud bullshit radiator?

About to get this 460X tempered glass meme case and it fit's the H100i pretty well, in the front looks to be a good spot

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>>58413292
>mfw waiting for my ram so i can start the build already

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>mfw waiting for the kabylake pentium to come out

>>58413422
The pump noise isn't insane is all I'm saying.
The fans might be loud for you or they might not be (personally I don't even mind having a desk fan running by my PC 24/7), but if they are bad you can always change them, and that will significantly lower your noise, doesn't matter what radiator you're using they could always have better fans

>buying an i3 ever
>using stock fans ever
>using water cooled ever
>buying Nvidia ever

0/10

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>tfw saving up so you can buy parts for the build

Got this shit at a MIcrocenter on a roadtrip awhile ago. Help me fix it

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TzN6KZ

>>58411890
Im a gamer, console gamer currently (xb1).
ill have a 1070 in before Nier Automata... if i can get it to boot

Cheapest upgrade path for someone using an i5 750, 8GB DDR3 and a 550ti? Ability to do some gaymen like Overwatch and maybe the new DOOM but something better for video editing (rendering 720p max) would be nice.

Fucked up my new install and had to format my drives, using Ubuntu but I'm big into games so I wanna go back to Windows, is there a defacto good Windows 10 crack/activator? I wanna make the switch to check it out.

>>58413592
1050ti is pretty alright ($159)
I don't know about the 1050 performance but it's $109
RX470's can be found at decent prices

>>58413622
Google "create Windows 10 installation media"
Do what Microsoft tells you to do
Install Win10 home
Don't activate it
E
Z
P
Z

>>58413461
I don't want to spend $30 on fans just to make my radiator acceptable in noise

If I can have the fans at 1050 RPM then they should be fine but it's hard to tell if they will be running at this speed in game

It looks like only the EK Vardar fans are decent stock

Also, Why dont you get fucked? Here you can see there is no fucking difference between stock and ultra premium noctu with Kraken

https://youtu.be/ZC-u4JE9eag?t=7m

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Rate? my temps don't go about 50 degree Celsius while playing Doom at ultra 1080p. What would you improve?

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Picking this up tomorrow. I have a ssd and a case/power supply already. Will this be a decent build for 1080p?

>>58413642
if I dont activate it doesnt it lock me up?

>>58413648
But we're not talking about an X61, were talking about my H100i, the radiator with unbearably loud fans (even louder than my desk fan) at full load
Sorry you want to buy an h100i and want to be assured that it's the greatest gift to mankind, but it's not
Ultimately id recommend a noctua 120mm air cooler, because not a single skylake chip on normal OCs warrants a watercooler and coming with no pump and good fans make them much quieter

>>58413721
No there's just a watermark in the corner (unnoticeably tiny for me at 1440p) and you lose the ability to change your taskbar color
That's it

>>58413721
No just you can change your wall paper and you have a water mark that tells you to activate windows. Just go to pirate bay and download an pre activated copy or use KMSpico to activate.

>>58413730
Yeah I guess the H100i isn't ideal then even for a 6700k

The money spent on those fans can easily just be put towards the Kraken so I would do that instead. I am considering the air cooler but I don't know if I can get more than store credit, also the Noctua may not overclock as well

>>58413713
More than enough for 1080p.

>>58413759
You can change you wallpaper, the same way you normally change it if you're not a fucking normie who actually goes into "personalization" settings
Right click image, set as desktop background

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>>58413766
I can guarantee the NH D12 or D15 will be able to hold a massive overclock. Not sure how it performs compared to the X61 because I hear the X61 is good, but I'm sure the aircooler with noctuas is much quieter

>>58413817
o fuck i just realized

I can't do tower cooler because I constantly move my shit and that will surely warp my mobo

x61 it is

>>58413691
>1060
the fuck man

>>58413691
GPU could be better but otherwise looks pretty good

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What did he mean by this? Do I need to sell the PC I build to myself?

>>58414347
Yes, sell that PC do not use it.

OR tell MS and request they cancel the license and buy a regular W10 home key.

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>>58414347
Yes.

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>tfw waiting for vega and vega waterblocks

>>58413207
how do you make money for pc???

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The left is why I wish /pcbg/ was around a year ago. Ridiculous, overpriced, heavy, large case. Shitty power supply that arrived DOA (and I lost the warranty papers of course). Shitty outdated CPU (I'm fairly certain skylake was available). The games I played at the time heavily relied on strong single thread performance. Shitty motherboard that I had to replace after 6 months. Honestly the only good things I bought were the Storage and the cpu cooler. The graphics card was ok but not amazing.

This is why I post here and give advice. Every one build I can stop from being my first go makes me feel a lot better. When you're new to building, shopping for parts is the hardest part.

>>58414378
Shit I don't have enough money, I don't wanna get ripped off

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How did I do? Last parts arriving this week.

>>58413207

>windows activation

this is a meme right?

you dont have to activate windows anymore the fucking small watermark only shows up on the far right monitor anyways

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Should I be concerned with m.2 SSD thermal throttling when it's mounted on the back of a motherboard with no airflow and I'm using it as an OS drive?

>>58414414
That's more like it kek
If you're buying new ram for a Z170 board you might as well get faster ram, maybe more ram but that's up to you, 2400mhz is basically stock 2133mhz, if those are US dollars you can get 16Gb of 3000mhz ram for nearly $70

>>58414469
well you completely blew it on the motherboard. What the fuck is that? Are liquid nitrogen cooling? No? Then don't buy that. Jesus Christ get an evga z170 ftw or something for a third that price. The blower style GPU wasn't a smart choice either but it's not going to matter much. The rest is fine for your price tier.

>>58414469
I would've spent a bit more for a 1070 strix, even if you dont like the RGB it can be turned off and with a case as roomy as yours, the directcu cooler would be a bit nicer than a blower cooler

>>58414485
Not if its just an OS drive, just don't put it under max write load for half an hour like they are

>>58414495
he probably did that because workstation='mature'

I wish this meme would die, peak rice was 4 years ago

>>58413523

uhm..

>Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler and Corsair Carbide Series 88R MicroATX Mid Tower Case are not compatible.

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>>58414490
The 2400mhz was the same price as the 2100mhz at the time. I already have it all installed now. Power supply was given as a birthday present. Going to try and craigslist off this case and then get some smaller mid-tower, maybe with a window. I sold the 8350 and ram to a friend. Sold the 960 on craigslist.

>>58414518
I just don't give a shit anymore. I have a "PRO GAYMEN" motherboard in my system purely because it has vertical SATA connections.

>>58414369
So it sounds like OEM license is something used by computer manufacturers, and I can just buy a regular windows for my use?

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Digital Illustration/Gaymer Fag here. I asked what would be the best video card for under $300 but the other thread 404'd.

Does the FX-6300 and RX 470 make a good combo?

>>58414557
XFX RX 480 GTR or Sapphire Nitro

>>58414561
wait for zen my friend

Can you Flash the Motherboard Bios before putting the CPU and Ram in?

my Gigabyte Z170x UD5 is being a cunt with my Corsair vengeance lpx 3000mhz ram, with a kaby lake cpu. I cant get to the bios with them in. ....and everyfucking build guide builds it all then updates shit.

>>58414561
rx 470 is good if you find it at the right price. Don't get the premium models or you might as well get a 480.
The fx 6300 is a piece of shit by now though.

>>58414313
I agree.
>>58414195
It was a budget build around $600 when I first built it with a i5-6400, and a Gigabyte H110m-A motherboard.

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I got these parts lately. How did I do/ what can I improve? I tried asking in another thread and didn't get much in the way of answers.

>>58414758
Why are you asking for improvements for a system already put together?

>>58414758
Change that Seashit hdd to a wd blue.

>>58414495
>>58414518
The Motherboard was actually mostly because I wanted something that didn't look retarded. I do some light gaming but I'm picky about how aesthetics. Same reasoning behind the GPU I chose.

>>58414581
>>58414658
Im looking for the best NVIDIA Card under $300. Anon scarred me off of ATI and AMD permanently.

>>58414840
what troubles do you have with AMD/ATI?

>>58414840
> Anon scarred me off of ATI and AMD permanently.
Are you incapable of independent thought? Have you never heard of benchmarks? Shit I knew how to look for benchmarks back when I was trying to buy crappy "gaming" laptops. There's nothing wrong with the Rx 4xx series except that the reference cards and maybe the g1 gaming from gigabyte run a little too hot for comfort. If you're paranoid about that, my MSI Rx 480 Gaming X runs about 65c in most of the stressing games I play. The XfX GTR model has a good cooler as well.
Currently for nvidia around $300 all you can buy is a used gtx 970 (can probably get for $200 if you can haggle) or a gtx 1060- 6gb.

>>58414810
>I'm going to pay $339 to look at a black slab with silver accents instead of paying $125 for any other color neutral z170 board

Is a i7-6700 worth the jump from i5-6500/6600 if I actually do editing and programming stuff?
Would a gtx 970 still be okay for gaming despite the 3.5GB issue, or are the 10XX's worth it?
My current computer is potato tier so a full rebuild is in order.

>>58414939
if you're gonna be doing lots of content creation and such you can't go wrong with an i7.

the 970 is still a fine card despite the whole scandal. if you're going for a 1080p/60fps build it should be more then fine.

>>58414939
If you HAVE a 6500 then no jumping up to i7 isn't worth it. Depends really how much you stress the CPU. Look up the program that you use that causes the most load and look up some benchmarks I suppose? Also Kaby Lake just came out, you might want a 7700 instead of a 6700k. This is all assuming you refuse to overclock (which is fine, IMO)
Do NOT buy a brand new gtx 970. Used? Yeah if it's like $200 or less. But the gtx 1060-6gb is $249msrp and whups it's butt. Less wattage too.

>>58414806
the barracuda is fine. Been running mine as a storage drive for 13 months no, no problems. Decently fast for spinning disk.
>>58414810
I'm going to further reiterate and say the evga z170 FTW board is all black with only a tiny red logo on one of the heatsinks. It's $179 on newegg right now.

>>58414810
>>58414908
yeah you could have gotten a Z170 SLI Plus, a Z170 FTW, a Z170-A or a Z170 UD3 for a third of that

I need 2 120mm airflow fans for my case and 1 120mm static pressure fan for my AIO Water-cooler to replace my old loud noisy fans.

I'm on a budget but I wouldn't mind paying a little extra for something more premium.

Any recommendations?

>>58415110
Fractal Design Venturis are a pretty good choice for both of those actually,

>>58415110
Noctuas. or Fractal Design Venturis.

Don't bother with airflow fans. They only work well in open-air conditions and they suck with restrictions like drive cages and fan grills.

>>58414810
and what both >>58415080
and myself >>58415101
said proves you did that because of the 'workstation=mature' meme

>>58415080
>>58415101
>>58415165
Why am i such a RETARD. Fuck. I'm not gonna even argue this one. I could care less about the gay little workstation badge on it. I just wanted something modest looking or clean looking at least. I'm thinking I should just return it and get the z170 SLI Plus instead. Fuck I'm dumb.

I didn't really know what all my options were and I jumped the gun thinking more $$ = better.

>>58414982
>>58415008
I legit have a Core 2 atm; any upgrade is going from that miraculously still functioning part to something completely different. Side note, is Win7 okay to run on the later intel chipsets? Isn't it deliberately lacking support for some skylake+ tech?

>>58415272
I'm running the SLI plus right now >>58414542
Even with my fancy looking glowy graphics card it looks at least somewhat modest. I like the steel reinforced pcie slots too. Running a 6600k at 4.1ghz at 1.25v with it at the moment.

>>58413207
Please reccie me an htpc build for my mother. I'm thinking a new Pentium with the new kaby lake igpu for 4k

Needs to be sff naturally. Bonus points if a bit classy and minimalist

>>58415370
Node 202's not a bad case choice, and this comes from a guy who hates the R5 for being bland

>>58415345
I preemptively went ahead and bought a support bracket for the gpu to prevent any sag. I actually had initially gotten the msi 1070 seahawk x but I'm going to have issues fitting it in the case along with the CPU Cooler so I'm returning it in favor of the ASUS one which looks just as nice imo and will last me quite a long time.

>>58415273
Even a 6500 will be a massive upgrade. 6700 you only get a bit of speed and hyper-threading. If your programs take full advantage of HT and/or if you like to run virtual desktops or virtual machines then maybe yeah the i7 isn't bad.
But check what the price of a 6700 and the price of a 7700 is near you before you buy. The 7700 runs at a higher clock speed without touching anything.

>>58415403
Out of curiosity, where did you buy from? IIRC Newegg has "replacement only" returns on most items.

>>58415429
Amazon for nearly everything. I have an Amazon rewards card which earns a suprising amount of cash back (only redeemable through Amazon but that's not really a drawback). I got the NZXT Kraken off Newegg and my processor and the mobo off superbiiz which ought to be here by tomorrow. If I do wind up going with another motherboard I'm going to have to see what they're return policy is like.

i3 3220 for $40 CAD, good deal for a poorfag build that wants to emulate PS2/GC games?

Just got my paychecks brahs.
I can't wait at all.

I'm going to swap out the PSU on the pc I'm shitposting on right now and make it into a work PC, then install my old 560 GTX in it.

After that, I'll buy the new 4c/4t processor from AMD and work my way from there, and build it in an old Dell studio sleeper case.

After thaat, I'll swap out the HDD on my folks horrid AiO HP Compubber.


2017 is gonna be a good year.

Also, how much do you think Intel will drop CPUs in price to match up against Ryzen?

>>58413730
I have an H100i and it's quiet as fuck, and my CPU never tops 60C at load.

>>58415761
What CPU and what clock

>>58414525
Had to bend the top of the cooler slightly

>>58416560
I got that same setup on an 8350 running at 5ghz. Highest I remember seeing it was 53-55 degrees at full load.

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Should I get the Asus Z270I? Probably going to not have Linux support for a while, but that m.2 heatsink thing catches my eye.

How can I tell if a mobo has secureboot or not? I hear it makes installing older windows OS's/linux a pain

>>58417291
Look in the UEFI settings and there should be an option to turn it off.

>>58417139
Rip USB 3.0 header

>>58417359
I mean before I purchase it

>>58417365
But it's right there next to the RAM slots.

>>58417365
Hello USB 3.1 header

>>58417389
research reviews you retard

>>58414618
You need a skylake cpu to updaye the bios to be compatible with kaby lake

>>58417742
What if it's too new to have a review? There's no place anywhere in the manufacter site where this sort of thing is listed?

>>58415110
CM jetflo

>>58417781
more research you retard
look up the user manual pdf for it
if you cant find it, call the company to send you a link or describe settings

jesus ask one more time to be spoonfed because i know youre going to

>>58415533
Seems decent enough if you have a motherboard or have one lined up for cheap

>>58413444
but you can just plonk the ram in whenever.
Build away, faggot.

>>58417139
Yes

asus mini mobo perform well

Am I able to take the hard drive from my old laptop and put it in my PC to get the data off of it?
Not booting off it or anything, just getting the data.

What should I install windows on? The SSD or HDD?

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If I want to game in 1080p/60fps, what's the cheapest way you'd upgrade pic related for me?

PC's from 2010, and I don't care about 1440p or 4K.

>>58413207
>water

>>58418284
You install Windows on the floppy drive, faggot.

>>58418284
Which one is faster?

>>58418293

forgot to mention I'm an ausfag

>>58418272
Yes. Just plug power & sata cables into it and it should appear in your OS just like that.

>>58418284
Is this a meme? SSD of course.

>>58418293
I don't know anything about AMD processors but I fear you'll have to swap it for a new one. This means you'll end up buying at least graphics card, mobo and CPU, which is not really that cheap. Add DDR4 RAM, new processor cooler, SSD and new PSU on top of that and you've pretty much replaced eveything in it.

>>58418293
>>58418346

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/thsm7h

I assume your current case and power supply will suffice. Won't need a cooler for an i3.

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>Fractal Design still hasn't fixed the vibration issues from the hard drive cage on the Define R series

>>58418362
>2017
>still using mechanical drives

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>>58418335
The HDD of course.

>>58418362
Does it affect all or just the external cage? Also, why don't you use rubber pads like on the Be Quiet cases?

Any monitors you guys recommend for this expensive as fuck build? Building the strongest PC I can. Grabbed my Titan X today on the Nvidia site.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/FytpVY

>>58418402
21" CRT gives you literally ZERO lag and is big enough to play COD™.

>>58418402

Acer X34 if you want an Ultrawide
XB271HU for 1440p at 165hz

>>58418358

tnx anon that seems pretty reasonable

>>58418358
What about using a haswell i3 to save the ddr3?

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/ddtWKZ

Going with a 500gb SSD as games are getting pretty fucking huge nowadays..

>>58418549
>Kaby Lake
It's shit, wait for Zen or get Skylake.

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>>58418623
>wait for Zen

>>58418623
Do you have firsthand experience with kaby lake?

>>58418639
Yes, wait for Zen, it's already shown to be a good option.
>>58418640
Read the reviews, it's more expensive than Skylale but doesn't offer anything other than higher temps.

>>58418549

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/223m7h

I'd get a full tower if you play video games for extended periods of time. Not only is airflow better, but it's easier to clean.

>>58418623

fuck off AMDrone

>>58418661
>doesn't offer anything other than higher temps

You're retarded.

>>58418674
>AMDrone
Fuck off you retarded shill. I even told him to get Skylake if he's too impatient.
You are literally too stupid to read, retard.

>>58418678
No, you just can't accept reality. Look up the reviews, Kaby Lake is shit and there's no reason to get it with Zen comming and Skylake's 6600K and 6700K being so good and cheaper.

>>58418623
>or get Skylake

Hmm so Krabby it's worth the extra $25?

>>58413779
it switches back after a while iirc

>>58418674

>full tower
Mid tower is already going to be a lot of airflow for this guy especially only running one card. Honestly i'd reccomend going itx. My 1080 and 4690k running at good temps at 1440p ultra in an itx case.

>>58418661
>Read the reviews, it's more expensive than Skylale but doesn't offer anything other than higher temps

link 2 reviews that state this

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/9Z849W

> locked i5 and h100i
upgrading to 6700k v soon

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>video game console assembly

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>install Antec VP450 PSU
>press power button
>PC turns on
>Then PC shuts off immediately
>Press power button again
>Nothing
>install old PSU
>PC still won't turn on

¿¿¿NANI???

>>58418720
Rec me a itx case pls

>>58418661
Ok, amd shill.

>>58418812
And?

>>58418712

that guy is just talking shit

>>58415567
lets hope a lot

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Can someone please build me a decently priced PC around the 1060?

>>58418859
I'm a fan of the Ncase M1 and the Dan Cases A4, but for more reasonably priced itx cases, the Fractal Design Core 500 or Nano S.

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>>58413207
Hey guys, I need some help. Where does this plug go? It connects to the case fans, but it doesn't fit any of the sockets that I can see. Motherboard is a gigabyte z170 hd3, case is a phanteks p400s

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Should I build a new PC around a 6gb GPU? Is there a point to having an 8gb GPU?

Currently on a 2gb card, and I know I want something more than a 4gb card, to max out GTA V.

I recently bought with my current build a new PSU - EVGA SuperNOVA 750 G2. It states it runs lengthwise 180mm, but the fractal define C specs on its webpage list the max recommended PSU size at 175mm. Is this going to pose a major problem? Or does it just infringe on the space where an optional floor fan can be put in?

>>58419021

6gb is enough. Never had a game need more than 5gb of vram.

>>58419075
>Never had a game need more than 5gb of vram

are there any?

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>>58418712
Fuck no.

>>58418787
www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-kaby-lake-core-i7-7700k-i7-7700-i5-7600k-i5-7600,4870-13.html
https://www.overclock3d.net/news/gpu_displays/intel_i7_7700k_temps_lower_by_26_degrees_after_tim_replacement/1
/articles_pages/core_i7_7700k_processor_review_desktop_kaby_lake
It's not worth it, unless you want a 2 in 1 room heater.

>>58418864
>t. illiterate Intel shill
Neck yourself, retard.

>>58418872
No, Kaby Lake is not worth it.

https://whirlpool.net.au/wiki/rmp_sg_whirlpoolpcs_gaming_configs_1

Which one of these builds would /pcbg/ say is the best bang-for-buck?

>>58418695
Skylake and kabylake are practically the same price here.

>>58419107

get a sky and save 30 bucks

>>58419099
>two shit amd shill sites

Ok amd shill.

>>58418951
Bump please help
It has no white lettering if that helps

>>58419114
Only autists care about what others buy.

If they want it. They get it. Good on them.
How does it affect you?

>>58419107
Get Skylake and save your money.

>>58419123
>i don't accept your sources because i don't like them
No argument. Accept reality, faggot, Kaby Lake is shit and you are an autistic and illiterate Intel shill.

>>58419137

The guy wanted to save money. I'm simply telling him how to go about that. Stop getting so mad over literally nothing.

>>58418951
Put it onto CHA_FAN/SYS_FAN

>>58419123

How is he a shill? He's suggesting sticking with Intel.

>>58419141
Why its only 5 bucks and will have better resale.

>>58419103

the one with the 1060.

>>58419149
None of the sys_fan slots are the same, there are two pins and two holes in the cable and there are three sys_fan slots, two have 4 pins and one has 3 pins but none have holes

My kaby runs 4.9hhz at 1.32V stable. Using a dh15 cooler. Max temp of 68c.

>>58419160
>only 5 bucks
I don't believe you and you want a Z270 mobo for Kelvin Lake, only they are stupidly overpriced compared to Z170 and a better cooler since Kelvin Lake runs hot. Overall wasted money.
Also, resale.. No, see how previous generations do, it's irrelevant.

>>58419160

heat

>>58419029
I don't have personal experience with the case, but it seems maybe they expect the cables to be too close to the drive cages. You'll probably be fine, but if you do need a smaller psu and are able to return it, the evga g3 series psu are only 150mm long.

>>58419172
Oh yeah. I didnt even look hard enough to see it is a male connector.
Thats odd. It does run direct to fan? Its not an extension cable?

ITT: POORFAGS JEALOUS OTHERS CAN BUY NEW STUFF SO THEY RECOMMEND OUTDATED PRODUCTS

>>58419191
Upon closer inspection, it turns out that all the case fans are connected to a long multithreaded cable that runs to the front of the case where the usb cables end up. Does that mean that they're powered?

>>58419021

Treat yourself to a 1070 and a 144hz monitor. You'll demolish everything on ultra and benefit from the high fps, games will play like butter, once you experience it you'll wonder how you even played games at 60hz.

My pc died and I didn't want to be a tragic waitfag so I bought a z270 and 7600k.
Only the poor care about "wasted" money.

>>58419205
You will have to trace it from the fans to the end.

>>58419199
>>58419214
>Skylake
>outdated
>6700K is for poor people
>same fagging that obvious
0/10
Back to you autistic children daycare you xXxG4M3RxXx retard.
>>>/v/

>>58417761
is that true?

what is the bare minimum i need to update the bios? just a skylake cpu?

>>58419227
One day you will be able to afford new technology too.

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>>58419199

>>58419187
would r5 solve the problem? I got the psu extra cheap for like $60 bucks in sale

>>58419240

but kabby is literally only $20 more in my country

this "poorfag" """argument""" is so childish

>>58419240
>6700K
I do and i don't rely on my daddy's money like you autist do.

>>58419259
Keep slaving. I enjoy my trust fund life.

>>58419259
t. serf

>>58419264
>>58419270
Nice meme, we all know you are just a sour manchild NEET who has to rely on the goodwill of others.

>>58419279
Ok sonny. Sorry that 20 clams is alot of money for you.

>>58419258
>>58419259
Cool meme. Samefag.

Why do you fags get so upset when someone chooses to buy the newest gear on the market?

Ever think that it is what they want to do and they dont give a shit about your opinions?

So how many and what types of CPU will zen be?

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>>58419294

shut the fuck up you childish idiot

>>58419311

why are you so upset at the fact the newest isn't always the best? there's barely a difference in performance, they get noticeably hotter, and you need new shitty mobos to support them

>>58419326
I see you know how to use paint. Cry some more and cast aspersions.

>>58419335
>barely a difference in performance
Ok

>>58419248
Well the r5 has removable drive cages, so ya.

>>58419172
>>58419205
I'm this anon. I plugged in everything except for the graphics card, the system booted and all the fans spun, but only for about ten seconds before it turned itself off. After another 5 secondsish it turns itself on again and repeats. What have I done wrong?

>>58419335
Why are you so upset over anons buying it?

Honestly, how much of a risk is static discharge when building a PC?
What should I use to ground myself?

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>he likes to overpay on the same CPU rebranded under another name
>no arguments other than u poor
>ignores given sources
I hope your double digit IQ will take you far in life.

>>58419294
>t. samefag

>>58419394
>barely a difference in performance

prove me wrong

>>58419426
Install PSU in case first and plug it in. Then just touch case to earth yourself out.

>>58419416

I'm not.

Anon wanted to save money, told him Kabby's weren't worth the money or hassle of getting a more expensive mobo.

Brand loyal retards lost their shit even thought I said to stick to Skylake.

People are getting upset that I'm telling this guy to stick to Skylake to save money.


This board is fucking retarded.

>>58419440
You are the one making claims.
>what is burden of proof

You dumb fucks are laughably retarded.

>>58419426

huge

just build your PC in the kitchen or some bathroom

>>58419448
Its more weak trolls that fuckwits reply too. Kabylake is the latest and greatest guaranteed bait.

>>58419451
Scroll up, there's THREE sources which prove that you illiterate autist.

>>58419451

source was already provided you dense retard

>>58419398
Bump
Instead of arguing over processors please help an anon in desperate need

>>58419457
>>58419467
Samefag

>if i add an extra line and remove punctuation it will fool them all

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>>58419473
>>58419481

Fuck off back to /v/.

>>58419456
This so much. I shill kaby just for yous.

>>58419487
Wow you know how to use paint. How retarded are yoy.

>>58419473
>i don't like sources because they prove me wrong
Retard. So then give me your sources that disprove mine, faggot.

>>58419481
>t. samefag
Also, still ZERO arguments for Kelvin Lake.

What buy when the skylakes are no longer stocked?

>Australians

>>58419554
u fuckin wot

>>58419522
>>58419528
Not an argument. Provide sources fuck off back to >>>/v/

>>58419487
/v/ isn't dumb enougj to reply to blatant trolls. Why else would he post here.

>>58418549

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/Nw3m7h

change the case if you want - that's just the one one I use necause I like the handlebars

>he will reply to that weak bait.

>>58419598

also you don't need a 500gb SSD - you'll only be putting games you play frequently on that

one-time games can go in the other

i'm liking the kaby release
gives me an op to snag up a used 6700k for cheap from fangays

>>58419571
>>58419582
>>58419589
>samefagging this hard
I made a claim and i have proven it.
You made a claim and didn't prove it.
Either provide a source or go back, retard.
>>>/v/

>>58419603
>well within thermaly
>100°C
Lol.

>he replied the the blatant bait

You are part of the problem. Go back to >>>/v/

>ITT: amd shill samfag argues with himself

>>58419628
>more than one person on the internet disagrees with me
SAMEFAG!

Fuck off back to your australian only thread.

>>58419480
Bump

>>58419655
>>58419662
Skylake > Kaby Lake
Prove me wrong.

Sorry that a kaby lake took a shit on your skylake and made you upset.

>>58419698
muh overclocks

All these (you)'s
Om nom nom

>>58419628
>and i have proven it

The links you provided used Z170 boards though. I agree that the original guy is spending more than he should by getting a Z270 mobo, but you're still being irrational.

>>58419454
My room doesn't have any carpet or anything.
That'd be okay wouldn't it?

>>58419775
Just install psu. Plug it in and touch it before handling parts.

>>58419123
>Tom's hardware
>not shilling for Intel
Pick one,.

>>58419775
you'll be fine

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Here are my specs and pictures and links of the two screens I'd like to hear opinions on. I am planning on upgrading the LG to a better one, or just storaging both for the time being and getting an actual good screen, but I want to know if my GTX 960 2GB would be able to handle that?

www cnet com/products/aoc-e2261fwh-led-monitor-21-5/specs/
www manualslib com/manual/269959/Lg-M197wdp.html?page=103#manual

>>58419871
depends on what you'll be doing
if you're playing lol or other non-demanding games, or not gaming at all it should be fine but if you're talking about 2016-7 AAA games, you'll need an upgrade

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>>58419901
These are my most played's and I do occasionally buy a pretty new game and get good performance (50-60 fps), but I'm struggling with medium graphics and i don't like the pop-ins with newer games. Any screen or GPU suggestions? Budget is 300-500€ and later I'd have money for the next upgrade.

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How are these cases?

I've started going to LAN parties a lot more lately, and I' going to upgrade my PC this year and took a liking to this case mainly for the handles.

What says /g/?

>>58419922
rx480 should be fine, and any 100euro or so 1080p monitor is aight, unless you want an ips panel or higher refresh rates or sth. in that case you'll need to spend a bit more and maybe get a 1070 if you're going to play newer games at higher refresh rates and high/ultra settings. if you're fine with medium then get the rx480

just don't get the 1060

>>58419973
he can just go for freesync monitor which costs a lot less

>>58419986
whichever cheap 1080p monitor is fine, i was estimating eu prices since i'm an ausfag. chances are if he's going to be playing rocket league and gmod then he won't need freesync at all

there is abundance of low profile cpu coolers, sfx power supplies, GPUs and yet i haven't seen a mitx case with decent airflow that takes advantage of that. Why is that

>>58419398
Bump please help
I took out everything except for the cpu and hsf, but it's still doing it. Is my power source fucked? It's sfx form factor in an atx case if that matters to anyone.

For the purposes of a decent Gaymen pc, with a budget of about $1000-1500, how's the GTX 1060? Is there any particular reason I'd want to get the "Super Clocked" version instead? I'm new to this, and honestly wouldn't even know where to begin with overclocking, so I don't intend to do it any time soon.

>>58420187
the 480 is better in most games than the 1060

>>58420115
Update on this
I removed the motherboard from the case, took out the cpu and hsf and it's still only temporarily powering.
Please help

>>58413691
reasonable/10

It's like you've had sex before.

This has been nagging at me, but the guy who's been helping me build my PC has told me to buy 2 8GB sticks of RAM, rather than a single 16GB card, saying that 16GB is overkill. What's the difference between 2 sticks of 8GB and one stick of 16GB?

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Wondering if I should make any changes in regards to cpu/gpu. PC is intended for gaming, budget of around £1500.

>>58420432
2x8 config is faster than 1x16 because it makes use of dual-channel and you're not going to need 32GB RAM anytime soon so get a 2x8 kit.

>>58420432
two sticks gives you dual channel support, which gives a slight performance bump. it's not a huge deal but if they're similarly priced then go with 2x8, unless you're limited on ram slots

>>58420466
looks pretty good, you'd probably want to add a hdd though

>>58420466
Cooler is probably overkill, maybe more storage, case looks stupid, other than that it's good.

>>58420492
if he's going to overclock then the cooler should be fine

>>58420534
Yeah, but so is a NH-D15 which is cheaper, already comes with excellent fans, thermal compound and won't ever leak fluids on your components.

>>58420558
true, guess it depends how far he's going to go

>>58420485
>>58420492
>>58420534
thanks for the advice. It's not got the whole entire thing because I plan on using some parts I'm currently using such as my monitor. Storage i was going to get off Amazon because the HDD in the lists was more expensive if i recall correctly. I'm mainly aiming to futureproof atm. Is the 1070 a good bet for that or not?

>>58420335
HELP ME RRREEEEEEEEE

Is there a suggested brand of SSD? Looking at the SK hynix right now, based on the Logical Increments table, but wondering if there's not a slightly better value, though all the reviews I've read seem favorable (aside from some griping about the customer service hotline)

>>58420650
PNY CS1311, SanDisk Ultra II, Crucial MX300 and Samsung 750/850 EVO is what you want.

Is the GTX 1060 enough for playing at 1080p 144hz?

>>58420692
wouldn't recommend the crucial, but the others are great

>>58420577
1070 is fine unless you want to go 1440p/144hz at ultra or whatever

>>58420706
if you want 144 frames, you'll be playing at medium settings

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I have no idea what I'm doing. I want to be able to play FFX remaster, World of Tanks and keep it on 24/7.

>>58420692
>Samsung 250GB SSD is actually only $10 more than the SK
>out of stock

Fuck my life, Sandisk is only $20 more, though so that'll be fine.

Gonna put my build list together then post it, I'm still not sure what to look for in a motherboard and I'd appreciate some suggestions, considering I'm bumping against my budget now.

>>58420745
if you can find a good deal, get the rx470, otherwise should be fine

>>58420803
just get a cheapish board that fits your needs (if overclocking then get a z-series, otherwise b-series) and fits your form factor. look at the extra features and decide what you'll actually use. if you want get one that doesn't look like shit, but don't be a cuck and spend $50 more for shitty leds.
i've used the gigabyte b150m-d3h and the asus z170-a, both are good boards.

>>58420585
get a new psu

I'm thinking about turning my current full sized rig into a smaller form factor PC so I can take it to and from my girlfriends place, is mATX big enough for an RX480, i5 3570k and 8 GB RAM or can I go even smaller if I don't care about upgradability?

So I'm buying all new shit. Is there a good reason not to go with a z170 mobo with the 7700k, since they're a lot cheaper?

>>58420943
you can go itx with that iyw

>>58420964
> a lot cheaper
go ahead

>>58420986
>go ahead
What features am I missing out on that is default for z270 though?

>>58420859
Yeah I'd seen multiple builds here and on other sites vouching for the z170-a, I was just wondering if I wasn't going overboard somehow.

Also I actively do not want LEDs as much as possible. I want a PC, not a rectangular christmas tree.

I kind of want to hold off on getting an HDD on top of the SSD for more storage. Can I get away with 250GB for now and just purchase a 1TB HDD when I need the space?

>>58420964
They aren't 100% compatible, Z170 mobos will require a BIOS flash which probably isn't out yet.
>7700K
Why no 6700K + Z170?

>>58421039
Because muh 5 gz dream.

>>58420986
Sounds good, is the Bitfenix Prodigy the way to go if I'm going to carry it a lot?

>>58421061
>Because muh 5 gz dream.
Not going to happen unless you dump that into a can filled with liquid nitrogen.
From what i've read 5GHz is very unstable under normal conditions, ypu might as well go with a 6700K at 4.5-4.8GHz m8.

>>58421004
intel optane and a few more pcie lanes. so basically nothing. if you plan on using them then sure but you probably won't

>>58421021
well... yeah... if you don't need the space currently then you can get the drive later

>>58421039
if he's buying new and not upgrading from skylake then he may as well, also the update should be available by the time he gets his parts

>>58421063
looks fine, though watch your card length

>>58421102
kaby reaches 4.9 at stock, 5 is probably reachable lol

>>58421113
>>58421102
sorry not stock, easily i mean

>>58421102
No, that's absolutely incorrect. According to almost all people who tested 7700k's, 5 ghz is attainable and stable on most chips, assuming you have good cooling.

alright, we've gotten somewhere now

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/TsQf2R

Got a (shitty) monitor and keyboard good to go until this actually arrives and gets assembled, otherwise I'm going to wait until my next paycheck to purchase a monitor.

Since ive been told on here never to buy windows for full retail, where/how do you get windows 8.1/10 cheap or for free?

Also, I do own one copy of it already, however
i'm using it for my laptop im giving to my little brother. Is there a way I can use the one disk for windows in both computers?

>>58421312
thepiratebay.se
get the most popular relevant one
get kmspico too if it isn't included already

...or just don't use windows at all

I want to upgrade my graphics card but I'm worried about bottleneck.

Current:
i5 4460 3.2
8gb ram
GTX960 2gb
SSD + HDD

Could someone tell me if a rx470 8g is gonna bottleneck cpu/gpu?

Thx in advance

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Only Kaby Lake that is currently logically priced has been added. Will add more as the prices become reasonable.

>last two parts are case and monitor
>due today
>haven't changed their locations since 4am
Where the fuck is my shit Amazon you cunts

>>58418719
No it doesn't, it re-searches the wallpaper file when you update, if you deleted the file, it'll revert to black

>>58421366
They always do this shit. I'm starting to think they are screwing with us intentionally. Two times now I ordered stuff that needed assembly and I got the one order delivered last that was essential for me to begin assembly.

>>58421113
>>58421134
>kaby reaches 4.9 at stock, 5 is probably reachable lol
Yeah stock would be insane. I've now read some other articles, some say 5 is doable, some say it's very unstable, one states that the variation is overproportionally high for Intel CPUs.
I think it's because of their new 14nm process that might not be fine-tuned.

>>58421173
Source?

>>58421173
That's not what I heard from everybody who didn't get a prerelease model

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How's this?

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/rKjNBP

>>58421621
>>58421644
from what i'm reading, it can reach 5, and was running for 7h before a logical core failed. it reached 99c (lmao) but after replacing the tim it was sitting at 66c, so that might be why idk
source: http://www.eteknix.com/intel-i7-7700k-benchmarked-at-5ghz-overclock/

>>58421668
pretty good. if you can, throw in a small ssd for boot, the difference is like night and day

>>58421710
>throw in a small ssd for boot

Not now, but I have that planned

>>58421560
The funny thing is I ordered like 6 parts at the same time. 4 game at about 12 and the other two haven't moved in 12 hours.

>>58421710
>before a logical core failed
LOL.
>it reached 99c (lmao) but after replacing the tim it was sitting at 66c
That's exactly what i've read, too. 99°C @5GHz is simply stupid and unusable, especially if the cores start failing, wtf.
Also TIM seems to be a huge problem with Kaby Lake which is why i wouldn't buy it, 99.9% of the users will never ever replace the TIM, which seems to be mandatory for good OC.
You article reads like technology satire, no wonder it's already earned the Kelvin Lake title.

>>58418951
thats a molex to fan connector, you only need that if you aren't using the mobo fan outputs. the other end has a molex pass through and a break out for the fan wire right?

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/WildAndWoolley/saved/GwgXLk

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>>58413207
Hey, new to all of this

So I want to build my own first PC, and came up with the following build ( pic related )

My motherboard is the ASRock Z170M Pro4S Intel Z170

Is that a good build for my budget ( ~900€) or something to improve?

>>58422025
i can see it being a good overclocker, provided the tim is replaced and decent cooling is given, but not for your average gaymer. i like it though, gives me a chance to scoop up a cheap 6700k from cucks i see on fb

Will a RX 470 bottleneck my FX-6300 too much or would I be better of with a GTX 1050 TI?

>>58422124
Bump

I'm looking to keep it in the 600-800 usd price range, any suggestions would be appreciated. I would use it primarily for gaming and browsing the Web

Are cards like RX 460 or GTX1050 without a power connector, getting power only from the pci-e?

>>58422220
No they absorb universal background radiation

>>58422220
what the fuck do you think

>>58422157
That's true, i should keep an eye on the brandcucks, too.

Is it better to buy a top of the line 1070 card or an entry level 1080 card?

>>58422455
Get a cheap 1070
It'll overclock at least to a stock 1080 level
Spend the $250-300 you saved on some cocaine
No point in spending 1080-tier money for a 1070 with an expensive heatsink, especially when pascal cards tend to overclock really cool

I want to assemble a nice video game console.
Is this the right thread?
Sorry if I'm mistaken.

>>58422583
Are you trying to build a pc? Or did you really mean console
If you meant console you might want to make a thread

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>>58422583
no this is old thread you want new thread

>>58422583
What problems do you have? Do you have difficulties connecting the cables to your PlayStation? Does XBOX Live confuse you?

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Are M.2 Slots/M.2 SSD's a meme? I was going to go with a 500 GB SSD and a WD Black HDD but I keep reading that if you load your OS onto an M.2 SSD your shit will be fast as fuck. I'm considering cancelling my order of the physical HD and just getting a small m.2 ssd, like 250 GB and using that mainly for the OS and games and using the 500 GB SSD I have for everything else.

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>>58422676
NVME M2 drives (specifically the Samsung 9-- series) are pretty fucking fast.
As for an OS drive, I think it's wasted since your motherboard posts slower than you boot, and for general work the speed is not very noticable. If you copy and rewrite huge files constantly though, and need that speed, the 960 pro can deliver
Personally I would just spend that kind of money on a huge SATA SSD, any SSD is already blazing fucking fast, the extra 4-5x speed of NVME isn't as noticable as the switch from HDD to SSD

>>58422302
I am totally new to this, sorry.
Do the cards that have no cable power also lower performance?

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>>58422724
Okay so I have a samsung 850 EVO 500GB sitting here waiting for me to start my build when I get the rest of my parts and the only thing that's going to slow me down at this point is the WD Black 2TB HDD that I ordered weeks ago but isn't even shipping for another week and a half. I'm considering just cancelling it at this point because I hear they're kinda noisy.

So I should just buy another one of these samsungs? One for the OS/Games and the other for misc. other bullshit?

>amazon prime is actually quite nice

>>58422766
If the card needed more watts than the PCIe slow could supply, then yes the performance would be bad
Luckily if a card needs an extra 5V power source, it has one, right?
Right Raja?

>>58422676
Using an SM951 and 950 PRO as VM drives, they're insanely fast at booting four VMs each. Like, you blink and all eight of my VMs are already fully loaded.

>>58422766
they shouold be about the same but the 75w cards with an external power connector will stay on boost out of the box. You usually have to undervolt a pci only 460 to do so. I'm not sure about 1050s

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>>58422856
That's what I would do, I have only two SSDs in my computer and I'm not looking back, I got one NVME M2 drive (Intel 600p) but other than sequential reads it's not as impressive as I expected, and the boost from my SATA Intel 730 SSD is hardly noticable
I would be just as happy with two SATA SSDs

>>58422193
Does anyone have any suggestions for a different motherboard? It is the one I have fine

>>58423057
Guys help

Also bump

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>>58423287
>he doesn't even know how to bump

So, my current build is the following

>i5-4670
>GTX 760
>8 GB RAM
>1 TB HD

Does it make sense to upgrade to a GTX1060/1070, or should I save up a couple more months and build a whole new thing for $1000-1200?

>>58423328
Kinda waste to build a new shit when the IPC gain is literally down to 1 or 2 digit, aka less than 10%.

For GPU, if you upgrade to 1060, you'd gain about 70% performance increase. Think about it in relative terms. If you play a game with 45fps, it will jump to 70+fps. If you play a game close to 30fps, it will jump to 50+fps. 1070 would be roughly 150% better than 760. So, 45->112 fps, 30->75fps

If you're playing only 1080p games, stick to 1060 or RX 480 upgrade, as that will be enough for 2-4 years.

>>58423427
won't i get CPU bottlenecked in games?

>>58423651
Majority of the games still wont use more than 4cores.

Or rather in another terms, multi-core scaling reaches diminishing returns at around 4core, so anything extra would only increase performance marginally(maybe few percentages) while you'd spend $300+.

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>>58413207
WHICH

Z170

BOARD

I GET

I ALSO NEED A WIFI CARD

to update my Z170 motherboard's Bios for my i5 7600k i need to put a SkyLake CPU in. I have an i5 6400 in another computer. Can i run an i5-6400 without a fan/heatsink, Safely, if all im doing it staying within the motherboard bios?

I want to avoid using tons of thermal paste and time setting up the NH-D15.

>>58423766
Some people put a plastic cup of water (not cold, because that'll create condensation) on top of a naked CPU

>>58423766
Or you could just set the heatsink on and hold it down with a book or something

>>58423834
Or a metal shot glass of 95% iso alcohol, that'll be good, it'll even evaporate quickly to stay cooler
Put some thermal paste on that maybe
I wonder how feasible a slow evaporation cooler would be, just refill a radiator/exhaust every few weeks or something

>>58423766
How are you loading your bios update into the pc

>>58423715
Lucky
Some of us have to make do with buying honey from the stores. Fucker only has to dig up a few floor boards.

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>>58424123
I wonder how that sounded as he slept