/fglt/ - Friendly GNU/Linux Thread

>>57869592
First for fedora

is arch better than ubuntu in stability ?

>>57869628
third for scraping your system

checkem ^

>>57869645
no. If you want stability, go for debian, though you will get outdated packages.

>>57869628
already a bad start
>>57869645
no

>>57869645
absolutely

t. arch pro

>>57869651
fourth plz awnser >>57869645
:)

>>57869660
>though you will get outdated packages
t. tech illiterate
https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable

>>57869592
That's open source, it doesn't have to be free. Who made that stupid image?

>>57869660
Thanks for the advice captain !!

310 is the bump limit faggot. Delete this

>>57869679
>If you want stability, go for unstable
Super fucking brilliant recommendation there

>>57869687
are you stupid

>>57869717
"stable" in tech speak doesn't mean what you think, retard.

>>57869660
Slackware for true stability.

>>57869743
nobody runs slackware
t. everybody

>>57869687
>>57869717
>>57869679
But i don t get it... If ubuntu and debian based distro are more stable why is arch based distros are more used ?

>>57869743
>Slackware
>true stability

i dont think thats something you should be proud of
>>57869755
wew fag

archbang seems to be user friendly. comes with firefox and firewall out of box. i use it as my rescue thumb drive.

>>57869757
Because kids think using a distro which doesn't have an installer is cool.

>>57869781
>thumb drive
what is this

>>57869794
well you can use antergos... still, i don t get it.

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>>57869808

>>57869781
>comes with firewall out of box.
Just like any Linux-distro?

>>57869820
but antergos doesn't have the arch screenfetch logo and arch users will laugh at you

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>>57869840
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>57869848
kibd if true, in reddit ( plz don t throw rocks at me) in the unixporn sub, if you use antergos ( which is very usefull btw imo) you are tagged as noob...
not all people have time to waist installing arch and just want something that just work

>>57869866
The firewall is part of the kernel, retard

>>57869866
Never change

I have no idea how to use awk or sed and I don't know regex. (I just don't have the time to learn that rn)

Can anybody get the elapsed/total time from mpc?
For example

$ mpc
Gorgoroth - Odeleggelse og undergang
[paused]  #13/39   0:59/4:30 (21%)
volume: 90%   repeat: off   random: off   single: off   consume: off

I need just '0:59/4:30', so I can output it in my bar.

>>57870077
why, why the hell do u need this. what is sooooo important that this must be done???

dafuq man... kek

>>57870077
>I just don't have the time to learn that
No, you're getting that wrong.
You don't have the time to not learn that.

>>57869592
someone maybe tell me why software must be 100% open. Nobody will pay for it which would hurt the whole industry. I see how programmers benefit from open software but 90 or more percent of PC users don't care if their office application can be "easily" modified if you have a 4yrs CS degree and 5 yrs experience in the field.

>>57870102
>>57870102
It would be nice to have that info in my bar.
It's not that important, I just figured it might be easy for someone who knows how to do this.

>>57870104
>You don't have the time to not learn that.
So i do have the time to learn that, and then what ?

>>57870174
then
>It would be nice to have that info in my bar.

>>57870174
Then you learn it.
And after that, you will save so much time in your life you'll look back and not believe how you could have ever thought of not having enough time to learn it.

>>57870077
mpc | awk '/\[(playing|paused|stopped)\]/ { print $3 }'

>>57870077
You claim to not have time to learn regex yet what you're doing is ricing your shitty desktop whiile listening to edgemaster's metal

>>57870249
Actually,
mpc | awk '/\[(playing|paused)\]/ { print $3 }'
is enough, stopped state doesn't print anything anyway

modprobe

>>57870318
insmod, rmmod

>>57870249
>>57870307
thanks

>>57870257
I already riced my desktop when I had the time, I just needed this now
What does 'edgemaster's metal' have to do with anything?

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>>57870329

>What does 'edgemaster's metal' have to do with anything?

Its all part of the dream BeBe'

>>57870329
Btw, gawk is pretty easy.

When you have a list like
>foo:bar:baz
and you want
>baz
you can use
>awk -F ':' '{ print $3 }'
if you want
>bar
>awk -F ':' '{ print $2 }'
-F changes the field separater (default whitespace) to :
and $1-9001 sets the field to print
if you have multiple lines like
>foo:bar:baz
>top,kek,lel
>gnu--linux--kernel
and you want
>gnu
you can use regex to search for a line that contains the word (here we search for linux)
awk -F '--' '/linux/ { print $1 }'

tomorrow we learn sed

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anyone else run into this?

even since freetype >2.6, fonts in many places just in wine don't show up
for a while i just left freetype at 2.6, but it's getting outdated, and other things are forcing the version up
more recently i found allowing only bitmap fonts gets them to show up (right side), but this isn't a fix

ideas?

>>57870472
>gawk
it's just awk

>>57870472
Cool, thanks.

>>57870505
and the dream continues... kek

>>57870472
so it's just splitting and automatic grouping, basically?
easy enough, thanks anon.

any other awk switches worth using/knowing about? and yes, I can read the man pages, but those are lacking an inbuilt usefulkness filter.

>>57870517
nice one

>>57870496
awk is a link to gawk (GNU awk) for compatibility, there is no independent awk on GNU/Linux

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gawk --copyleft | wc -c

Is there a way that I can sync ubuntu files from my desktop to my laptop automatically?

So that when I'm done using my desktop it will have already synced my files and once I move over to my laptop it will start downloading the synced files?

What's the best distro in 2016?

I haven't used GNU/Linux since 2013. Tired of windows, what should I install?

>>57870701
The one I'm using.

>>57870701
Slackware. It DOES have a package manager, called slackpkg, and installpkg/upgradepkg/removepkg for slackbuilds, which is like the AUR. It's simple, rock solid and elegant. It uses BSD style init scripts instead of systemd. It is the most UNIX-like GNU/Linux distribution.

>>57870744
>projecting

>>57870744
Slackware is a useless distro. Slackware does not contribute to the Linux community, it never did.
Ubuntu, Fedora, Redhat, SUSE Linux are trying their best to take linux computing further by actually developing stuff. What did Slackware ever do. It's been there for ages. It survived so long but yet to achieve ANYthing. Much like a cockroaches that survived ice age but never really obtained anything meaning full like Dinosaurs or Mammoths.
This might hurt you but Slackware community is a poison that Linux has no use for. What did they ever contribute to? Developing/contributing to BTRFS? Snapper? Kcraft/Kernel hotpatching? FreeDesktop? GNOME? KDE? Wayland? Mir? Snaps? Flatpak? LXC containers? OpenZFS? OBS? Convergence? KVM? High-end Xeon (or instanbul) support? GRO? Systemd-ui/kcm? KIWI?

I'll tell you what slackware ever did: Bitch and moan about systemd - because bitching and moaning is ONLY what Slackware is good for. It's pathetic and has a negative effect on the community.

>>57870744
>>57870876
The slackware userbase is just as pretentious: they never did anything productive because they are too busy in going to online forums to show off their manual dependency management skills instead of getting real things done. They will NOT like to admit there's no dependancy management because there's a sever lack of devs as mentioned in the number one reason in Slackware faqs. They'll BLINDLY follow what their cult leader do: use an abandonware bootloader and preach its superiority over any other bootloaders, or sperg about how vanilla their distro is.
When they are asked why they use the distro they ALL will give you the same brainwashed, mindless response: "Because of stability".
The users seem to forget the simple fact that Slackware does NOT fix ANY (again: ANY) upstream bugs. So if there's any bug in x-org or gtk, those packages will be just as buggy in Slackware as in Ubuntu. They just seem to forget that Slackware isn't more stable than other distros with the SAME bugs that causes instability.
Some of them will claim "Slackware doesn't have distro specific bugs"
However as I write this Slackware has had total of 35 security vulnerabilities: 9 of which is DoS, 13 remote code excecution, 10 Overflows, a memory corruption, a login bypass and 3 privilege esclations. (CVE details)

>>57870876
>>57870899

>getting triggered
vsmdh tonight

Now I know what you are thinking: "I should put my feet on the backpedal and claim it has ((less)) distro specific bugs"
Excuse me? I heard slackware is a "vanilla distro". If it were SO great, why are there vanilla bugs. If you are comparing to distros that are ten times more usable like ubuntu, I'd trade those bugs with usability and productivity. Ubuntu has paid, professional maintainers unlike an unemployed community of hobbyists.

I think we should completely exile them, they can move to BSD or some other garbage.

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>>57870912
is this supposed to be a monologue?

Friendly reminder to cont. your dank papes here: >>>/wg/6767536

wasn't slackware developed by just one dude until he got a few volunteers a few years back? i don't think his goals were to make major contribution to the linux community, just to make himself a distro

>>57870899
>>57870876
That's why it's called slackware dude

It's run by slackers

>>57871258
>>57871305
These posts prove that slackware was never meant to be taken seriously outside basements

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>>57870744
>Slackware
Sorry the best distro is any of Ubuntu/RHEL/OpenSUSE

>>57870540
http://www.funtoo.org/Awk_by_Example,_Part_1

http://www.grymoire.com/Unix/Awk.html

Man I love humiliating s**ckware ((elitists)).

Anyone here to refute these?
>>57870876
>>57870899
>>57870912
>>57871346

>>57871346
>fedora is the "cool normal guy" while debian is sjw
not so fast tippers.

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Diversity
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Diversity_Adviser

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>>57871542
is arch the only uncucked distro?

>>57871542
>no "male programmer privilege checklist"
Good for me

>>57871557
https://archwomen.org/

no

>>57871589
I WONT CLICK IT
YOU CANT MAKE ME

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So I've got a project I want to do and I don't know how to execute it. I have an old laptop that I want to set up as a media center that my roommates can send their music/movies to. What would be the best way to do this?

>>57871609
apache server

>>57871609
The term youre looking for is NAS.
Network Attached Storage

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>>57871542
What did you expect from a distribution owned by an US-based corp with ties to the American (((government))).

hahaha

Enjoy being testbed for rhel AND a testbed for ideological subversion.

How difficult would it be to create your own distribution from scratch?

>>57871814
LFS has probably all the resources you might need

>>57871814
There is no point to do that and it's not a one man show.

What's the best way to study and practice for RHCSA? I'm worried about going into a test where I just have to set up a server as specified, since there are a lot of things to remember and forgetting even one of them can ruin your test.

>>57871346
What's the one before Debian?

Why isn't everything using GNUstep yet?

>>57872007
KDE Neon, they are basically KDE devs

>>57872067
>>57871563
>>57871536
please stop namefagging

Ok so ive just got my new thinkpad it has 256gb ssd.
How should I partition the drive? This is my1st time installing Linux and not using a vm, so im thinking Ubuntu or Debian?
Split the drive half windows/linux and save ~15gb for Kali? (need Kali for university)

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i installed visualboy and i cant lunch it . what do i do ?

>>57872510
>i installed visualboy and i cant lunch it . what do i do ?
dinner it

What's the fastest way to delete a drive? dd /dev/zero is taking forever. I took a nap for 4 hours and it's still running. I don't care about security, I only want mkfs to not recognize my old file system.

>>57872510
https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/how-do-you-install-run-visualboyadvance-462812/

>>57872583
fire

>>57872583
mkfs

>>57872583
you could use the n (?) option in fdisk. fdisk certainly has the capability to quickly erase the header

>>57871536
>>57870876
>>57870899
>>57870912
>>57871346
samefag

>>57872583
wipefs -a /dev/sdz

just erases known identifying information

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Can anyone help me out and give me direction in how i would setup my raspberry bi as a media station for my tv? Mainly i dont want to have to use a mouse/keyboard. Is there anyway i can have a wireless touch screen display that i can control the pi from and use to watch amazon video/youtube? Just need a start in the right direction.

Is icecat worth the compile time?

What does it provide that firefox does not?

>>57873242
we use a cheap little touchpad keyboard combo that is wireless and only uses 1 usb port

>>57873273
>Is icecat worth the compile time?
just use the binary?
>What does it provide that firefox does not?
no botnet

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Can I make a single-user system from Linux?
Let's say, I don't want X server to be the server just to serve for one client, I just want to have GUI only for me.
Does something like this ever exist?

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>>57873435

>>57873435
I don't think the display server has anything at all to do with how many users you have on your system. It renders graphical applications whether they were launched by you, root, or your neighbor

>>57873435
>>57873501
Oh I think I know what you're thinking. "Server" doesn't mean what you think it does. It's not a network thing.

>>57873432
Oh thanks. I thought only the source code was available. I extracted the 64 bit version and symlinked to /usr/local/bin! Excellent.

>>57873527
It still uses multiple users.
I mean, it is created to handle many users at time, even though it has no connection to the net.
Doesn't it take many resources to be ready to have many users?
But what if I am only user and no other and nothing other runs my machine? I'm working from root (hipotetically, I don't, actualy), and I don't need to have resources shared between users.
Is there solution to this?

Anyone got some good 4chanx filters to share?
Need to get rid of that phone/gpu/gaming rig trash.

>>57873789

 echo "127.0.0.1 boards.4chan.org" >> /etc/hosts 

run as root

>>57873789
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/4chanX_filters

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>>57873275
Thats a good idea, thanks anon

>>57873789
Just stay in this thread. Everything else is already dead.

>>57873843
Just use tee!

echo "127.0.0.1 boards.4chan.org" | sudo tee -a /etc/hosts 

>>57873907
>using pipes
filtering you after i post this. never contact me on my wife's, bull's ,son's computer again

>>57873674
>Doesn't it take many resources to be ready to have many users?
I don't think it does. Why would it?

It just renders your programs, it doesn't care what users they belong to. Why would it need extra resources to render stuff for 2 different users?

how to keep my ps1 when sshing to a remote server

Is there a web browser known to be more lightweight than firefox/chrome which is still very secure and also fully HTML5 compliant?

>>57874008
why in the name of all that is holy

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>>57869628
>tfw too intelligent to use anything besides Fedora

>>57874089
>>57874060
>>>/r/eddit/

>>57874107
What do you mean?

>>57869733
oh really, what does it meant retard?

>>57870478

I get that all the time on Mint 18. No idea why, its just fucking annoying and I have to reboot.

>>57870679

Unless you have a file server (s3, ftp, NAS) just use dropbox and a mess of symlinks.

I'm assuming dropbox follows symlinks

>>57874145
>using mint
toppest of keks

>installs broken distro
>it's broken, wonder what happened

>>57871609
If you want your laptop to be the set top box try something like XMBC.

If you want it to be a file server look into setting up samba.

>>57874176

Whats better then? I've tried Fedora and then Mint (started with 17 as it was the only thing that came with a package of openconnect that works with my companys VPN)

I guess Arch but I want something that maintains it self and lets me develop and mint of the most part does that.

Redhat based is always better, I've been tempted by opensuse but havent gone there yet.

I've been running Fedora for about 6 months and I'm happy with it.

Should I be unhappy with it? Why?

>>57874195
>beta testing for red hat for free

>>57874202

If it works, it works. Most linux distros are full of problems and if you don't have a problem you're a lucky one.

>>57874008

ssh -t server "env PS1=\"$PS1\" bash -i"

might work

>>57874206
Yeah exactly! Why would I want that.

I make work with CentOS professional so its handy being able to use RPMs natively but I can easily just use containers.

>>57874202
Fedora is great, wayland on Fedora 25 eliminated all my tearing problems that X.org gave me on 24.

Where do you guys mount your other internal drives? I usually mount mine on /media/DriveName but I'm wondering how you guys like to do it.

So I figured out that sending shit to aplay creates noise, like

yes gnu | aplay

makes a different beep than

yes linux | aplay

Now, would it be possible to make some sort of melodie? Where to read about this topic?

>>57874421
I don't know much about this, but you could just play around with different words to see what you get then make a bash script that produces music.

>>57874421
Search the web how to print a simple raw sine wave, then change the wave, script it, voila.

>>57874421
I think it just interprets the stdin stream as PCM by default.

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>>57874421

printf "main(t){for(t=0;;t++)putchar(t*(((t>>12)|(t>>8))&(63&(t>>4))));}" | gcc -x c - && ./a.out | aplay

>>57874590
inb4
>I'm not running that shit nigga

It's almost 2017
Why does anybody use any GNU/Linux distribution other than Ubuntu Unity?

>>57874590
Where did you learn to regex like that ^

>>57874637
There pussy: https://u.teknik.io/7W1si.opus

current trackball without a scroller might get replaced soon.

anyone have experience with a cst trackball and wayland, specifically the scroll? literally the only thing really still keeping me off using it.

>>57874767
You can play around with it here: http://wurstcaptures.untergrund.net/music/

>>57874812
Oh neat thanks!

pls help how do I change default applications in ubuntu minimal + i3 (I don't have any of the gui settings)

For some reason after I installed audacity it hijacked filetype associations so now all my music files open in it instead of mpv

>>57874747
Because we're hackers, not normies.

>>57874889
try this: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/default_applications

>>57874895
>not doing your best to blend in with the regular population
I bet you wear your Guy Fawkes mask in public

>>57874916
You can say what you want, Arch may be shite, but the Arch users made a great wiki. Even a Debibabby like me is using it.

>>57874932
he's sort of right, ubuntu is a good distro for people who search a distro that just works(tm), but most people don't stop here and want to enjoy the full power of gnu with linux added(tm) and at some point when you already found your favorite applications and configurations, preconfigured stuff and useful bloat ends up being in your way

 
{    printf

I'll take the nonfree software

>>57874747
because Ubuntu MATE exists

>>57874933
[unsubscribe]
>>57874976
what

>>57874916
ty bb

xdg-mime default mpv.desktop audio/x-flac

fixed it

>>57874990
intelligent fag here

faggot is referring to the coding style of OP pic

>>57875016
luv u xoxoxo

>>57875025
Off-Topic, but what the hell does xoxoxo mean? Non murifat here.

It's time /fglt/, what is the distro we recommend to newcomers who want a retard friendly distro that just works.

>>57875060
To get out.

>>57875060
not arch
not mint
not debian
not fedora
Ubuntu may be Gaynonnical, but it just works and doesn't have security issues like Mint and has nonfree shit normalfags want out of the box unlike Fedora.

>>57875060
The one I'm using.

>>57875069
People get what they deserve but they deserve better than that.

>>57875083
plain ubuntu?

what's the best newcomer friendy DE?

>>57875145
Straight outta OS X? Unity
Straight outta Wendys? maybe Mate or KDE

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>While on KDE
#pacman -S kmail

>>57875145
Xfce

>>57875083
>>57875060
Fedora

>>57875060
People who search something that just works don't understand what GNU/Linux is. GNU/Linux doesn't work; you make it work. Being in full control and at the same time having it "just work" doesn't work and newcomers will end up bitching why DE x or y is shit and bitching about everything like font rendering or gui colors without trying to customize or fix shit themselves.
Therefore: >>57875069

>>57874794
screw it, ended up just buying the new trackball.

guess i'll post when i try it out myself for anyone else who might be interested.

will have to retire my trusty logitech trackman

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>>57875060
Ubuntu, Mint, Manjaro, or ElementaryOS
>>57875083
>Mint
>security issues

>>57875060
>just works
I really really really hate just works. I hate it. It's the cancer of technology which destroys functionality in order to create retard friendly fisherprice crap.

Thanks Steve Jobs.

>>57875302
Please stop posting

>>57875352
What's the problem, anon?

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>>57875302
>mint
>manjago
>elementary
your first day at /g/ or pic related?

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>>57875404
I get the mint insecurity and the manjaro incompetence, but what's wrong with elementary?
Did I miss any memes?

>>57875382
pic relared

>>57875302
>unironically recommending linux mint
https://lwn.net/Articles/676664/

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>>57875511
Yea, because other distros never get their shit hacked

>>57875533
>I'm a faggot and didn't even click the link

>>57875533
It's not about the backdoor meme, anon.
Mint literally blocks several programs from getting updates in order not to fall apart.

>>57875533
Wow someone installed GNU/Linux in their NES device

Hey /fglt/!
I've been using vanilla Ubuntu since 2013 as my distro and for the summer I wanted to shake things up and install another one
I've been thinking about trying Arch because of the whole "Arch experience" thing (is it a thing?) to learn more about GNU/Linux, OSs and whatnot. Also, rolling release seems like a great idea, kinda tired of how Ubuntu deals with updates.
But I have some doubts if I'm going to be able to continue developing normally there. I'm getting into data science, machine learning so I'm concerned if I'll be able to do what everybody is doing in this area on Arch (most people I know use Ubuntu and the teachers use Debian). Basically does it support:
>python and PIP
>GPU and hybrid GPU systems
>Docker and similar things
and whatever more you think are absolutely necessary for Data Science/Machine Learning?

>>57875549
Because 90% of it isn't even true. For example, "FrankenDebian" was only true for the now obsolete LMDE 1.

>>57875655
You don't need Python, PIP, or Docker.

>>57875664

https://github.com/linuxmint/mdm
https://packages.debian.org/source/jessie/mdm

next

>>57875668
I'm a bachelor so of course I won't be writing and running my own code. The projects I'll work on have these dependencies

>>57875655
Everything which is supported on distro A is supported on distro B, simply because all distros are basically the same operating system.
Stuff you can install on, let's say Arch also works on Debian, or whatever.

On a more general note, why do you dislike Arch Linux? I thought it was the preferred choice for expert GNU/Linux users

>>57875673
Yea, that's one of the only parts of the post you linked that's not a falsehood.

Like, xedit was renamed to xed.

Also,
>Add to that, that they do not care about copyright and license issues and just ship their ISOs with pre-installed Oracle Java and Adobe Flash packages and several multimedia codec packages which infringe patents and may therefore not be distributed freely at all in countries like the US.

All ISOs have the OpenJDK Java runtime but none of them have Oracle Java runtime.

>>57875706
noob here, why do we have so many fucking distros? Are they all necessary? What's even the difference if its in the end the same OS?

>>57875173
Yeah confirmed

GNOME and Evolution are FUCKED beyond saving. A few days ago I said I don't disrespect GNOME. I take it back.

>>57875714
I don't. Arch haters are mainly wintoddlers

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>>57875751
Forgot picture

>>57875750
Because it's open-source software and everyone has a different vision on what a Linux operating system should be.

>>57875750
Because we can. Many people want differnt things. Many of these people learned2code and made a distro which makes it easy to use different things for people who didn't leaned2code.
At the end, some day, we'll have the perfect operating system.

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>>57875778
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>>57875778
Good read right here: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.en.html

>>57869645
Definitely. Ubuntu is a sieve suitable only for noobs who can't linux gud.

>>57875840
Do you think this guy is still waiting for a reply after 7 hours?

Does Debian ISO contains wvdial package (or at least ppp)?
Have tried netinst, but doesn't contain shit.

>>57875655
>I've been thinking about trying Arch because of the whole "Arch experience" thing (is it a thing?)
Want to know too. Is the "didactic value of struggling with Arch/Gentoo" just a meme?

>>57875915
it's a meme, every distro is the same, just get used to the terminal, check the copypasta in to op, search for the shell pasta, read, learn, become a wizard, works even on ubuntu

>>57875915
It's fun to start from the ground and build a system. But arch is shit.

>>57875915
arch is trash for kids who want to fell cool for using a distro that doesn't have an installer
didn't use gentoo, but from what I read the only average is that you can customize your packages using flags before compiling and installing them, so basically what you can do on every other distro, just without premade flag, but actual ./configure flags
correct me if I'm wrong about gentoo

>>57875915
"install gentoo" is like "delete system32" on /b/, which basically means, lurk moar, read the fucking manual, etc. Gentoo itself can be fun for some DIY trash, but as actualy distro it doesn't make much sense, because nobody would actually want to spend ages to compile literally every single program of his OS (and dont forget the updates)

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What are some good games for linux besides burgerspace?

>>57876088
DOOM

>>57875981
>>57875979
?

>>57874421

awk 'function wl() {\
        rate=4000; \
        return (rate/160)*(0.87055^(int(rand()*10)))}; \
    BEGIN {\
        srand(); \
        wla=wl(); \
        while(1) {\
            wlb=wla; \
            wla=wl(); \
            if (wla==wlb) \
                wla*=2; \
            d=(rand()*10+5)*rate/4; \
            a=0; b=0; c=128; \
            ca=40/wla; cb=20/wlb; \
            de=rate/10; di=0; \
            for (i=0;i<d;i++) {\
                a++; b++; di++; c+=ca; c+=cb; \
                if (a>wla) \
                    {a=0; ca*=-1}; \
                if (b>wlb) \
                    {b=0; cb*=-1}; \
                if (di>de) \
                    {di=0; ca*=0.9; cb*=0.9}; \
                printf("%c",c)}; \
            c=int(c); \
            while(c!=128) {\
                c<128?c+=1:c-=1; \
                printf("%c",c)};};}' | aplay -f dat -r 2

>>57876016
After the first day it is not a big deal at all. I don't know why people think gentoo is frustrating to use, it's actually pretty nice. It usually only takes a few minutes to install something. Sometimes it's faster than other distros even. If it's a big file, it'll take some time but it doesn't matter. You can keep using your PC. Nothing takes very long (other than the initial giant compiles on the first day of using it) but that's only one day.

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in which ways qbittorrent is better than deluge?

it eats more cpu and way more memory.
it is ugly as shit.
it can't open a 10mb torrent file.

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>>57876088

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>CURRENT_YEAR
>there are still people who don't use a rolling release distro on their desktop

>>57876088
cube2 engine shit is pretty good for gnu/linux
check out:
sauerbraten
red eclipse
tesseract

>>57875945
>>57875979
>>57875981
>>57876016
That's true. The only difference between each distro with one another is just its package manager and repository.
So, why using specific distro if every distro is the same?
Why using Linux kernel, while another kernel can also be built to a distro?
If Arch is a meme, then Arch meme is also a meme. Shit distro should also a meme.

hey /g/, how to get rid of these dirty programs like systemd and gnu? is there any replacement for arch?

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>>57875915
don't lump gentoo and arch together. arch is a binary piece of shit that will always inevitably be broken and you will have to compile shit by hand. you're better off using ubuntu, seriously. kids only use arch because it's hip, arch is a fucking meme on crutches, it's the worst kind of linux.

gentoo on the other hand is the evolution of slackware. it's designed to automate compilation by hand which is always present in all linux. want to compile a package? read useflags, set up useflags, emerge the package. it will be automatically updated from this point on and will pull in all the dependancies without you fucking around. this was hell on slack. want to patch a package? just throw patch into /etc/portage/. want something that's not in official repos? use layman repos or add your own local one. need to put an application into your system and keep it there? make a simple ebuild. gentoo lets you get the unix way without crutches.

>>57876239
install windows

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>>57876088
warhammer total war. deus ex mankind divided. warthunder. openxcom.

>>57876173
Qbittorrent is just an overrated utorrent clone. Transmission and rtorrent are better. Deluge is bloated garbage as well.

>>57876257
>don't lump gentoo and arch together
it's literally the same trash for people who want to be cool

some fags fall for the gentoo meme but are too stupid so they use arch to feel cool

others can read the docs and install gentoo, realize they got trolled and install a sane distro

i have a thinkpad that i installed manjaro on, problem is it wont load grub because hd0 is actually hd1, i can use a liveusb to chainload hd1 and grub starts.

the problem i have is its got grub2 on it and some fucking moron decided to remove devices.map because "it does this dynamically now"

so how the fuck do i remap this so grub will load and i dont get a bootloop?

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>>57876267
but transmission's a piece of shit. it has hardcoded limits on peers, slow as fuck, can't handle big torrents. it's just bad, but macfags are used to this to the point they enjoy feces. typicalmacuser.jpg
>Deluge is bloated garbage
why?
>>57876271
distros are better than gentoo? i made a point and you are trying to troll, sweating, panting, like a pathetic child you are.

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>>57876211
>there are people still fussing over something silly like their choice of distro which ultimately means nothing
>not just using kubuntu because it werks and using your time productively, such as archiving rare anime on your home server or learning how to orgasam hands-free.

not particularly a linux question but i think this is the most capable thread for it..

i dont understand how NTFS and FAT differ in their file creation/finding styles

NTFS uses the MFT to find files and FAT uses the FAT to find files..is the only difference that NTFS uses b-trees while FAT doesnt? and that the FAT can get fucking huge if you use it on big volumes

best player for tracker tunes?

Is KDE in openSUSE (either leap or tumbleweed) more stable than in Neon?

As much as I like the DE, I'm tired of the fuckups. It's either openSUSE if it is actually better, or a differently-DE'd distro.

>>57876272
use uuid

>>57874145
if rebooting fixes your problem, then it's something else (and more concerning, behaviour like that suggests software is crashing, or possibly even worse, a hardware problem)

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>>57874089
>too intelligent to not shit post

there was this DE that made your ubuntu look exactly like windows, along with windows-;like functionality.
which one is it? anyone know?

>>57877791
use something with older packages like debian or ubuntu

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Is it OK to use KDE 3 in 2017?
I've set it up to be like Windows 95 and I feel good with it. But isn't it old?

>>57876088
Move or die. Civ 5.

>>57878836
I recall having the same issues with Kubuntu when I used it. Panel and window decorations disappearing, windows just not working, etc. Also having other issues which I want to see are *buntu-related by hopping over to another type of distro - looking at Fedora mostly.

>>57878827
New Windows or old Windows? If it's new, it might be Zorin.

>>57879103
>Zorin
thanks, let me check it out.

>>57878879
>Not using KDE 1

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>>57879103
I'm using Fedora 25 KDE right now and I actually had similar things happen which I could temporarily fix by restarting Kwin sometimes. Changing the rendering backend for the compositor to openGL 3.1 fixed it permanently.

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Would some kind anon please teach me how to do backups.

I've been ruining Arch for a month and now feel comfy with it and plan on using it long term but I'm worried about fucking something up and not having a backup.

How do I go about backing up my Home folder (at the very least)?

Is there a point in backing up everything since I can just reinstall Arch later on and it's not critical to backup software itself?

Can I back it up to external HDD that's NTFS formatted?

Is there a way to do versioned backups so if I backup the next day, not everything is backed up again?

I'm really interested in how to set all this up so I don't fuck it up.

Thanks in advance bros!

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>>57869592
But my Windows 10 was free software, too! :-)

Thanks Microsoft, you are great!

>>57879181
It sucks in Unicode IIRC

Why isn't everything coded using FLTK instead of GTK and QT?

>>57879957
Because you're mom is a stupid fucking whore, you dipshit.

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>>57869592
>printf("Hello!\n");
>not puts("Hello!");

>>57880080
)uoY(

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Will a X220 be able to run .mkv HD- (either full HD) videos/streams?

Want to run it as media player to watch films/series etc while gaymin with main PC. Also, is 180€ a good price?

http://www.ebay.de/itm/222237428855

So I've managed to make a shortcut on my macbook that logs me right into my server using SSH.

Now I'd like to make 3-4 shortcuts for often used applications like nmon.

So I'd like to make a shortcut that logs me into SSH and then executes a command too.

What do?

>>57880243
maybe:
ssh user@host -t 'YOUR_COMMAND; bash -l'

>>57880300
>; bash -l'
What's that for? It's worked without that too.

After I launch nmon i usually press the c ,g and m keys to view cpu, memory and disk activity. How would I include that in the command?

>>57880432
Just gives you a normal bash shell after the command completes.

Also what do you mean? It doesn't let you press those keys? Or you want to manually pass them in as a part of the command?

>>57869592
hey, so i'm kind of new to linux and i was wondering how to change the background in xfce4 using the command line. i've tried

xfconf-query -c xfce4-desktop -p /backdrop/screen0/monitor0/workspace0/last-image -s /usr/share/xfce4/backdrops/xubuntu-willy.png

but nothing happens
what do

>>57876211
desktop yeah i got arch.

ubungu lts for my chinkpad though.

good balance for me.

>>57880193
I've had a X220 for a couple of years and it certainly is capable of HD video. Most have 768p screens, so make sure you get one with 1080p if that's important to you. 180€ is decent, but I wouldn't spend more than 150 imo; lots of companies are getting rid of their old X220s for cheap.

>>57879805
Backing up your home folder should be sufficient. Try using rsync, it's fast and reliable, and you can use it over a network.

>>57876424
osdev's documentation is quite comprehensive
http://wiki.osdev.org/FAT
http://wiki.osdev.org/NTFS

Gonna change OS on my thinkpad.

Running xubuntu 16.04 atm.

What should i install on it?

>>57881120
install gentoo

>install mint
>it's severely fucked up for no reason, sound randomly won't work, other issues
>okay i'll try debian
>get debian live and install it on usb
>boot from usb, it requires password
>look up password, enter it
>takes me to a bash cli

?????

should i just get ubuntu ?

>>57880243
just put the command at the end

>>57880675
just use feh

>>57880478
It does let me press those keys but I'm not sure how to include it in the shortcut.

Right now its nmon -g /custom.diskgoup. I've tried adding -gcmn but it doesn't work. C M N is what I press once noon is launched to get a view of what the cpu, memory and network are doing.

>>57881265
just use ubuntu

I installed KDE Neon and KDE is actually great now.

Is there an easy way to get the patched version of Firefox that uses the KDE file picker on this?

>>57881562
install gentoo

emerge app-portage/layman
layman-updater && layman -a bobwya
emerge www-client/firefox-kde-opensuse  kde-misc/kmozillahelper 

>>57881562
look at >>57881699
been doing that myself

I have a question regarding other peoples usb sticks.
Today I had a usb stick not work on plug in on my xubuntu, but working on windows.
Is there a 'fix' for situations like that or do I have to run a Windows virtual machine?

>>57881770
does this happens with any other usb stick?
can you mount it manually?
have you configured thunar-volman?

Trying to install Arch but the parted command "mkfs" is not working.

All it does is bring up the command-list like i wrote something completely random.


what am i doing wrong?

>>57882165
Bill wanted to get paid for his work. how does that effect the linux kernel?

>>57882176
it isn't a parted command

>>57882209
you're right. thats why

ty

Did not read the thread, but just watched Stallman's talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUQek2LyUBg
He makes really good and valid points, but one thing which is in my eyes completely unanswered is software development. Usually complicated software which is used in engineering etc. takes a lot of people and time to develop. Is there any consensus on how the people should be rewarded for the job? Would they have any incentive to work?
It seems that free software movement is a square peg trying to fit in to round capitalism hole.

>>57882289
You can sell free software, support, etc.
Kook at Red Hat and RHEL for example.

>>57882337
But what I mean is that one person buys it and shares among others. Essentially there is no revenue.

>>57882369
There is. The selling copies of software business model just doesn't work.
There's CentOS, a completely free version of RHEL, and yet Redhat makes money just fine, because they're not selling copies.

>>57881265
>sound randomly won't work
That might just be pulseaudio being a piece of shit again

>>57882399
well, I think it is time everyone starts educating others about free software, cause the cause could be lost very soon.
Looking at this philosophically, sharing is the best thing that can happen. When you can give a copy of useful software to someone there is more value being created in the world. This is how civilization can advance.
What do you think, is capitalism sustainable?
I think that socialism at small doses would be really beneficial to societies.

>>57882176
I'm following this arch guide:
http://www.muktware.io/arch-linux-guide-the-always-up-to-date-arch-linux-tutorial/5/#page-content

But i'm unsure about MBR/BIOS and GPT/EFI.

Which one should i pick?

>>57882369
>there is no revenue.
this assumes people would buy it if the alternative didn't exist.

>>57882465
>When you can give a copy of something useful to someone there is more value being created in the world.
so you mean capitalism?

Hey guys,
I need a script
When an user login, launch a script who ask what repertory he want to go, the user write the name of the repertory wanted and press enter. If the user write nothing, he stay at his own repertory.
The folders are already created ofc

57882465
>>>/r/eddit

>>57882477
>i'm unsure
MBR/BIOS

>>57882537

> Shell pasta:

The based GNU Bourne Again SHell:
https://www.gnu.org/software/bash/

The community driven BASH wiki:
http://wiki.bash-hackers.org/

The Grymoire - home for UNIX wizards:
http://www.grymoire.com/Unix/index.html

Greg's (also known as GreyCat's) wiki:
http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ
http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide
http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashPitfalls

SED and AWK; your new best friends:
http://www.pement.org/sed/sed1line.txt
http://www.pement.org/awk/awk1line.txt

Google's Shell Style Guide:
https://google.github.io/styleguide/shell.xml

The Linux Command Line - A Book By William Shotts:
http://linuxcommand.org/tlcl.php

Interesting, useful and dangerous one-liners:
http://www.commandlinefu.com/

Great online (and offline) linting tool:
http://www.shellcheck.net/

Know what you are doing:
http://explainshell.com/

>>57882465
How the fuck did you get from
>Redhat just uses a different business model
to
>lol socialism

>>57882541
>57882465
whoops meant >>57882465

>>57882575
they can get to the second part from literally anything
it doesn't have to be even remotely related. they are sick people.

i think now is the time to start importing posters from /pol/
this has gone too far.
don't forget the simple fact that you brought this upon yourselves.

>>57882556
That guide installs some 32bit shit to BIOS and 64bit shit to UEFI so i went with the latter.

>>57882574
>The Linux Command Line
judging from the title, it must be trash

>>57882598
how about no.

>>57882603
the kernel actually has a built-in command line
judging by your lack of knowledge on this you must be trash.

>>57882603
Well it's written by one of these "It's just Linux" guys, but the book is good.

>>57882607
how about yes.
you fucks can't keep quiet about your social, biological, philosophical and economic illiteracy
which means something has to be done to solve this problem externally.

>>57882625
we don't want more triggered faggots in here,

Is there a simple arch installer script?

>>57882637
why do you assume i care about what you want?
you lack the basic self-control to keep this thread free of your retardation which means I have to borrow some external power to solve this issue.

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>>57882666
arch is for advanced users only

>>57882669
>you
triggered much? you sohuld go back to using @, faggot.

>>57882686
This is a friendly thread.

>>57882686
you haven't deserved that yet.
just letting you know that you started this yourself.
if you can't have a thread free of politics i will bring posters from a political board
you should enjoy it if you like discussing politics so much.

>>57882666
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yquc_9pFP9s

>>57882691
This is a new friendly thread: >>57882693

>>57882700
>you started this yourself.
wew lad, don't shoot up my uni

>>57882714
pls stay friendly

>>57882714
i would consider that as a viable option if i had more information.

>>57882724
This is a new friendly thread: >>57882693

>>57882735
very friendly, thanks

>>57882748
not after i get there.

>>57869757
because we dont want oudated programs. In open source a stable program means NASA standarts they dont rush shit and end up like WIndos Vista

>>57882598
>talks politics
>gets mad from responses
>threatens thread about politics
so this is how minors bait, huh?

>>57882786
i didn't start talking about politics.
you retards started mentioning socialism
there was not a single political post from me before that happened.
just expect the quality of posts here to drop significantly since a lot of people from /pol/ are going to start visiting this place pretty fucking soon.

>>57882800
>being this mad
seriously wow

>>57882820
you'll experience this soon enough since you guys really hate /pol/

>>57882833
how can you imply i hate /pol/?
cuckolding is my fave genre and i have an account on blacked

So this is my progression:

>start to lose interest in games
>still sit in front of a computer just doing basically nothing
>ponder how you could make it actually look good
>figure out GNU/Linux comes with the ability to make it look pretty much like whatever you want
>install Ubuntu
>looks like shit out of the box and tries to hard to have a tailored experience - feels like you're locked in an ecosystem with an App Store™
>try to get rid of the bloat
>install Xbuntu
>shit screen tearing issues and lack of ricing knowledge made me want to die
>decide I should put some solid research into what's a good distro, how it works and how to make it look good
>come to /g/ and all distros are either the same or there's people shilling their favourite distros
>Arch seems to be a prevailing distro so I guess I'll give it a shot
>try to dual boot with OSX on my rMBP
>no idea how to get the driver I downloaded and put on the USB to run during the install and give me wlan
>fail miserably
>ponder if it's even worth it and just continue to run OSX on my rMBP
>feel the urge to try again
>might as well try with my desktop PC that is only used for the occasional game and has a lan connection
>cbf going through my PC to double check if there's any important shit there that I'd care if I lose
>installing Arch seems so rewarding but such a pain in the ass
>continue to ponder if it's even worth it
>post here in hopes a magic (you) will give me all the answers I need
>realise I just need to stop bitching and read a wiki, read some books and learn how to do shit
>ponder if any of it is even worth it at this point
>go onto my rMBP
>look at other people's nice looking riced desktops
>realise some of them are OSX

1/2

>>57882851
your kind hates them a lot
that wasn't really necessary, it's obvious from your economic views

>>57882867
>download homebrew (package manager for OSX)
>don't know wtf I'm doing
>running the troubleshoot (doctor) flag reveals a bunch of problems
>think it has some problems with some python shit I installed ages ago when I felt inspired to try learn how-to-program™
>ponder if it's even worth it
>go back to looking at other people's nice looking desktops wishing I could put in the effort to learn how to do it all
>"it's all just configuration files anon, it's easy once you get the hang of it"
>too lazy to do it
>too lazy to even try
>ponder if any of it is even worth it anymore
>flip open my rMBP
>look at a decent looking, decently efficient OS
>watch porn and wank
>ponder if life is even worth it anymore
>"tomorrow I'll wake up and I'll actually try trach myself something productive like install a distro and learn how it all works!"
>sleep
>wake up
>repeat

Wish I was born a Linux baby and not a fucking Windows XP, gaymer, GUI king baby. fuck

2/2

>>57882880
if im a socialist ,why would buy a subscription when free porn is vastly available?

your child logic makes no sense

>>57882885
>too lazy to do it
>too lazy to even try
/thread

>>57882908
>socialism
>something is vastly available
lmao
nice one

>>57882911
Sad but honestly true. I'm so used to having just search something on YouTube and have a video of someone else talking me through something than actually being able to sit down, read, understand, experiment, learn, get it to work.

I really need to start reading and stop being such a normie faggot

>>57882934
very bad redirect.enjoy your underage b&

>>57882961
your assumption (the first two lines of my post >>57882934) tells me you are a socialist
how can someone possibly not understand this?

>>57882533
I mean when you give a tool for free to someone, they will create value with it.

>>57883758
how can a subjective judgement be created?
value can't be created or destroyed, it doesn't actually exist in the real world.

>>57870876
>>57870899
You've convinced me to install it and try it. If this is some reverse psychology shit, if fucking worked

>>57883849
No, energy cannot be created and destroyed in the real world.
Imagine, in world with very expensive calculator, you get a free calculator. Now you calculating shit day and night, for example optimising crop field areas. Hence you create value for yourself and your family.

>>57884210
value is a subjective judgement of worthiness
it can't be created as it has no representation in the real world.
you can say something is more or less valuable to a given person. that's all this term means.
>Hence you create value for yourself and your family.
you didn't create value, you created "wealth" which has the possibility of being valuable.

>>57884298
Exactly, in this case value for the family is created through food and money gained by selling it.
For economy it is valuable to have people who can spend more and turn the gears of economy faster.

>>57882908
>>57882934
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>>57884427
what is this autistic /pol/ shit and why is it in my /fglt/ thread?

>>57884427
nope. wealth is created by the family.
which is then exchanged for something they value more than the item they are giving away.
an exchange takes place in which both sides give away something they value less than the item they receive. pretty obvious stuff.
an economy isn't conscious. there is not possible way it can make value judgements.

>>57884565
What I want to say is that as a consequence of free calculator more things are produced basically out of thin air, which wouldn't be possible with extremely expensive calculators.

>>57884651
this assumes something can actually be free or creating from nothing, which simply isn't possible.

>>57884765
Well, in case of software, making a copy is not theoretically free, because you pay for electricity used to copy it. But in practicality it is free.