/fglt/ - Friendly GNU/Linux Thread

No one can help me with my script guys?

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>Linux without GNU removed

>>57882745
i could help but it depends on your answer to this question: are you a socialist?

No, socialism sucks

>>57882754
This is a friendly thread.

>>57882757
arch-anywhere
>>57882759
Not anymore. It won't be friendly until every last one of them is dead.

Are you able to help me now?

>>57882780
look at one post above you

>>57882810
That wasn't his question.

>>57882780

>>57882810 means >>57882771

>>57882837
But he said he wasn't a socialist.
Which means he isn't mentally retarded and doesn't need help with basic geometry

>>57882745
Arch install script?
It so easy, you just need to partition, pacstrap and installing boot loader.

>>57882844
>geometry
u need help bruh

>>57882693

I`ve got problem on Arch.
I`m using .xinitrc to start some applications ( cbatticon, volwheel, wicd, variety) but it seems that this config is ignored at startup :/
what am I doing wrong?

>>57882853
see >>57882826

>>57882859
yeah i understand that the concept of an axiom is hard for your people to grasp but he isn't a socialist so he should be fine
>>57882861
just use your wm config for that.

>>57882861
>I`ve got problem on Arch.
That's normal.

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Post more Stallmans.

>>57882859
he responded to you >>57882897

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>>57882910
got these

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>>57882966

>>57882966
>>57882976
>>57882910

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>>57882966
>>57882976
Love it.

How do I go mouseless, senpais?

>>57882966

Do people really pay 1200$ for a jacket?

>>57883148
install a tiling wm
anything besides awesome should be fine

>>57883184

You can not use the mouse with a floating window manager. A tiling window manager, like every other, only affects your window use. It doesn't affect other programs at all.
Get a brain and stop repeating misinformation and spreading it, idiot.

Using mpv as music player. Is there a way to get the current title in a shell script so I can add it to my panel?

>>57883211
Not last time I checked
I don't use a mouse with a tiling wm
Seems like you are the idiot here

>>57883148
get:
- xbindkeys
- xdotool
- wmctrl
- dmenu2
- a tiling wm
- a ff addon to get vi-keys

>>57883184
awesome is fine

>>57883240

I don't use the mouse and use a floating window manager. What now?

What's the best skype replacement? Ring? Tox? Anything else? Not sure which to try. What do people use.

>>57883273
sure
if "fine" and "piece of shit" are the same in your opinion

Got a Core M laptop i'm not using. Thinking of Install Linux on it just for fun. Always been a Windows baby. My googling seems to show Ubuntu is really easy to use and get running. That sound right?

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>>57883305
>Linux

To: 57883324
bad post

>>57883217
https://mpv.io/manual/master/#json-ipc

>>57883346
Awesome, thanks.

>>57883305
yes
just avoid the standard ubuntu with unity
pick any flavor of it like ubuntu gnome, kubuntu, xubuntu and so on

>>57883416
Why avoid the one with Unity?

>>57882693
so got arch running, now looking for a desktop

Gnome 3.
KDE.
Xfce.
LXDE.
Unity.
Cinnamon.
MATE.
Openbox.

what would /g do?

>>57883538
A simple window manager will do. I prefer cwm from openbsd project.

>>57883538
KDE

>>57883344
for >>57883324

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>>57883538
Welcome to the club.

>>57883538
not toaster: GNOME or Plasma
toaster: Openbox
other DEs: don't even bother, it's shit

>>57883538
>he fell for the arch meme

>>57883553
hmm k cwm, minimalistic?

>>57883554
why KDE?

>>57883569
thanks m8 o7

>>57883522
its shit

>>57883538
non-graphical tty

>>57883585
>why KDE?
its the best

>>57883584
Source-based distributions are highly portable, giving the advantage of controlling and compiling the entire OS and applications for a particular machine architecture and usage scheme, with the disadvantage of the time-consuming nature of source compilation. The Arch base and all packages are compiled for i686 and x86_64 architectures, offering a potential performance boost over i486/i586 binary distributions, with the added advantage of expedient installation.

>>57883585
>why KDE?
No GTK fuckery.

>>57883588
arch isn't source based

>>57883538
i3 wm

>>57883645
This.

>>57883617
KDE does look enticing

>>57883665
>not liking anime

>>57883674
yeah it is simply the best de out there

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>>57883684
its set mates, going with the KDE. \o/

Vanilla ubuntu idle ram consumption?

I'm sick of trying "light" stuff and get shit broken I want the shit that just werks

>>57883665
ok, so i got arch installed... shit man how autistic are you?

>>57883707
why using a lightweight distro ans slapping the most bloated de on it?

>>57883707
also don't forget to install firefox-kde-opensuse to get the based kde filepicker
i think chromium has it too by default but I'm not sure.
>>57883725
>kde
>bloated
pick one
>arch
>lightweight
pick one

>>57883725
>Arch
>lightweight
Pick one.

>>57883725
i want shit that i dont have to install every damn thing under the sun just to be able to do shit.

>>57883748
>implying the only way to get a barebones distro is using arch
>what are netinstalls

>>57883748
see >>57883584

>>57883719
seems like you're describing gentoo
tried it yet?

>>57883766
im liking this

The looks of Plasma Desktop not only provide beauty, they are also used to support and improve your computer activities effectively, without being distracting.

>>57883780
yeah maybe, but arch is suppose to be a power house as security goes.

from the wiki itslef, it sates, be carefull how secure you make it becuase you can lock yourself out. now thats secure

>>57883799
nope
it's a binary distro which means it has worse security compared to anything source based

>>57883780
>gentoo
>fix ethernet
>fuck up usb ports

I want to shit in stallman chest

>>57883834
eh, thats not what this states

>>57883611

>>57883845
never had anything of the sort, seems like you did something wrong and you now for some reason think it's the distro's fault.
that retard doesn't have anything to with gentoo since it goes against his idiotic """"""""""philosophy""""""""""

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Hey /g/, what's the best lightweight and user-friendly distro for daily use?

>>57883860
arch comes with repos that have precompiled binaries in them
how the fuck can this be described as source based?

>>57883870
arch lxde

>>57883877
he said lightweight

>>57883875
maybe ask these people
>>57883665

>>57883870
Xubuntu

>>57883870
Gentoo Linux minus GNU

>>Arch
>>Lightweight
>Pick one
is this a new meme? Or are prople really that stupid? Have fun with your USE flag clusterfuck

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>ubuntu-16.10-desktop-amd64.iso

Lets try this shit

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>>57883912
stop

>>57883917
>Or are prople really that stupid?
eh proble are stupid i guess

>>57883890
i don't need to ask anyone
arch isn't a source based distro
that's all there is to it.
>>57883917
>including documentation and headers in your packages is lightweight
>not doing package splitting is lightweight
what did he mean by this?
>Have fun with your USE flag clusterfuck
yeah... editing config files is so hard

>>57883928
I think you forgot something else after your post.
"stop" what exactly?

>>57883917
>is this a new meme?
Is there anything related to arch that ISN'T a meme?

>>57883912
while arch is just stupid, gentoo is a whole new level of stupidy, why the hell would any sane man in the world want to compile every single program of his distro?

>>57883991
>whole new level
It's the same reason why people use Arch: To look cool on the internet.

>>57883980
yes, arch itself
arch is a pretty good distro for what it's worth
it just isn't lightweight by any means.
>>57883991
to achieve levels of customization which are simply impossible on binary distros
why the hell would any sane person want shit he never uses or doesn't even have the capabilities to use sitting in his packages?
it doesn't take long either if you aren't a poorfag with a shitty processor.

>>57884011
i use arch because of the aur, tbqh, i wouldn't mind switching if another distro had aur access

>>57884011
i use arch because, security, community, stability, and chicks digit kek

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>>57883966

>>57884034
You can compile your packages on literally every other distro, retard. The only average on Gentoo are retard friendly flags when installing a package, a feature you pay for with wasting your lifetime.

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>>57884055
anon meant
Stop, Drop and Roll

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>>57882693
>"g-guys GNU is more important than Linux, o-okay?"
>"sure, then it should be easy enough for you guys to replace Linux, right?"
>"o-of course"
>fast forward 20 years
>"so, is your replacement for Linux ready yet?"
>"u-uh... we've had uh... w-we've had some setbacks..."
>"reminder that there's already like 20 replacements for GNU around"
>my mfw when

>>57884037
>git clone
>make
this is what the aur does.
i can't see why you can't do that on literally any other distro.
>>57884074
you can, but you can't compile all the packages you install in a convenient way.
recompile every single package on your arch with a single command.
compile firefox with the hardened use flag by changing one line in a config file
i'll wait.
>wasting your lifetime.
i'm really sorry for you if reading the use flags and editing a config file takes a long time for you
must be hard living with a disability

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>>57883945
>documentation and headers are "heavy"
>literally just text
>USE flags are useful in any way
>Having to set USE flags before installing every package

>>57884165
b-but we finally got sound support for h*rd!

>>57882861
>I`ve got problem on Arch
>Arch

There's your problem.

>>57884180
>documentation and headers are "heavy"
they aren't heavy but they certainly aren't lightweight, especially when you realize that they have no reason being in a binary package.
>>USE flags are useful in any way
yeah mate... choosing what kind of functionality you want out of a program isn't useful at all.
choosing a profile with certain use flags which enable hardened compiling for all programs isn't useful at all.
>Having to set USE flags before installing every package
are you retarded? you do realize that you can choose a profile which sets most use flags you will ever need? the rest can be simply enabled globally in make.conf.
it shouldn't take you long configuring per package use flags either if you don't install a hundred new packages every single day

>>57882861
Arch wiki:
>Note: Xinit has its own default behaviour instead of executing the file. See man 1 xinit for details.

>>57884034
Ok humor me. In what what way is Arch not lightweight (save for the dependencies (which are necessary in most cases [and if not, are incredibly easy to uninstall]))?

Give me one reason why Arch doesnt come with an installer?

>>57884381
Because that's the shtick of Arch. To not have an installer.

>>57884329
>in what way is arch not lightweight save for the very thing that makes it not lightweight
good post.
it includes headers and documentation in its packages. this is by definition the opposite of being lightweight. the other thing you've already mentioned yourself.
>and if not, are incredibly easy to uninstall
it doesn't matter if it easy to uninstall. if that's the default and unchangeable behavior - it isn't lightweight. just don't call it what it clearly isn't.
>>57884381
devs lost their maintainer for an installer and didn't/couldn't replace him.
literally the only reason. don't listen to the memes arch users constantly spout.

>>57884397
Wrong. It had an installer in the past.

>>57884381
because it's unnecessary. Why don't packages (apk-get, pacman -S, etc.) come with GUI installers? Jesus anon this isn't wangblows. It's a pretty simple installation, and I honestly don't understand this arbitrary aversion to th CL.

>>57883538
underrated post mate

>>57884258
Im sorry, we have different definitions of lightweight then. I find headers and documentation useful, and thus not "bloat".On the other hand, I would consider any OS that installs xorg automatically not lightweight.

Now that I've got an SSD and can dual boot quickly, I want to install a GNU/Linux distro along side a Windows installation. I've used Ubuntu, Fedora, Mint, and Crunchbang. I was thinking of trying Debian rather than using one of the distros based on it. How is it in comparison to say Ubuntu? How usable are the unstable and testing builds of Debian?

>>57883538
Lumina

>>57882861
post your file

>>57884495
And also which order should I install in, Windows first then the GNU/Linux distro or vice versa? I'm assuming the former to use GNU/Linux's bootloader?

>>57884258
yes I understand the concept of USE flags, but the only way to avoid breakage of your packages is by revising all necessary dependancies, both time consuming and defeating of the puerpose of USE flags.

>>57884485
you are using a subjective definition. i am using an objective definition where anything unnecessary for the program to function is bloat and thus not lightweight by definition.
>i find headers useful
Do you even know what they are? I'm 99.9% you haven't opened them and you don't even know what a header is.
>I find documentation useful
I do too, just not when its included with every single package and when I didn't choose it to do so.
> I would consider any OS that installs xorg automatically not lightweight.
Yes, that would be a non-lightweight OS. But it isn't just the choice of software. Something can be bloated if it literally comes with just 1 package which contains bloat like headers, optional dependencies and documentation.
>>57884535
Portage does automatic dependency resolution so I don't know what the hell you're talking about.
If you update and have conflicting use flags you get prompted to automatically make changes to the config with that use flag if you wish so, or you could just do it manually.
>defeating of the puerpose of USE flags.
In what way?

>>57884165
Berkeley Software Distribution :D

Actually Stallman's first choice was to take the BSD 4.4-Lite release and make a kernel but it didn't happen for various reasons.The world would probably be a different place today if he did that instead of backing Linux.

Hurd gets some use in schools still, esp in advanced operating systems classes where you apply it to other microkernels or write your own tiny kernel.

>>57884608
Bytes of information is hardly bloat, with such a slim vision of lightweight, I doubt anything would be conisdered lightweight. But point taken.

>>57884535
Exherbo, where most of the old Gentoo devs went uses Paludis for pretty advanced dependency tracking/resolving http://paludis.exherbo.org/overview/features.html

>>57884608
in that you spend more time tinkering with the use flags than the time it would save.

>>57884658
Anything modified by the user wouldn't be objectively lightweight.
For example bluetooth support could be bloat for you, but not for me.

We are talking about the distro itself which can't possibly be lightweight if it includes bloat by default without giving you the option of not doing so.
>>57884671
How does that defeat the purpose of them? The purpose of use flags is to give you more control over what you compile into your binaries. Time has no role here.
> spend more time tinkering with the use flags than the time it would save.
How much time do you think this "tinkering" even takes? It doesn't take more than editing a few "words" in a config file, assuming you don't skip updates for months on end.

>>57884729
>time has no role here
you got that right

>anything modified by the user isn't objectivley lightweight
Following your train of thought, wouldn't anything that you, as a user, don't use in a program be considered bloat? For example: If use a word processor, but I never use italics or bolds. Would these be considered bloat? If I use a media player with FLAC support, which I don't need, would this be considered bloat? I cobsider documentation a feature, not bloat. As for headers...I don't know what they do either :^)

>>57883919
>everything FUCKING WORKS

Still, how to remove the bloat and the botnet from fucking this, I even got some amazon icon

>>57884811
P.S. sorry for the spelling, on mobile and keyboard is fucked

>>57884815
https://fixubuntu.com/

Fedora 25 you should try instead, secure out of the box, no spyware, "enterprise ready", has gnome 'boxes' so you can easily use kvm to spin up a virtual machine and install something like ElementaryOS in order to watch vidjya and contain flash AIDS in all one container.

>>57884853
>secure out of the box
>nsa
pick 1

>>57884853
>enterprise ready
Any more nonsense buzzwords, fagget?

Why is there no ncurses based offline singleplayer game where you're a hacker breaking into corporate systems, extracting data, hiding your trace and selling the data for profit?
I want this to be a thing.
> ASCII-art websites for corporations that need hackers to spy on each other, lots of world building
> connect to "network node" of target
> game randomly generates network traffic, encrypts it with one of a few possible algorithms and a random key
> player records some encrypted traffic, finds proper decryption method and key
> can now read unencrypted network traffic
> eventually "someone logs in" (i.e. game sends randomly-generated login data)
> too much traffic? Use regexes to sift through the data and find login data
> log in as someone else
> manipulate or download data
> took too long or fucked up your login attempts too often? the admin is now onto you
> better hope you set good encryption and passwords on your "cyberdeck" (game settings) because if the "admin" cracks it (try random decryption / password combinations at regular intervals while "cyberdeck" is "on" (i.e. game is running)), your deck is bricked, hit squad kills you -> GAME OVER
> if you're good, eventually get offer as netsec guy at large corp and you win the game

>>57884902
Just search the web for unix wargames.

>>57884811
>Following your train of thought, wouldn't anything that you, as a user, don't use in a program be considered bloat?
Yes, objectively it would most definitely be bloat, as in something not necessary for the program to work.
It's fine since you decide for yourself what bloat you want to install.
It's worse when coming with bloat is the default and unchangeable option.
>For example: If use a word processor, but I never use italics or bolds
You can't have that as an option since most word processors aren't built with this choice in mind.
You can't choose to not compile them in since the program was probably written in a way that doesn't allow for this.
> If I use a media player with FLAC support, which I don't need, would this be considered bloat?
Yes, but only if the player's source code allows you to simply not compile the parts that anything have to do with FLAC support.
>I cobsider documentation a feature, not bloat
Documentation isn't required for a program to function. It's a convince for most users. If it comes by default without you choosing to include it that certainly isn't lightweight.
>As for headers...I don't know what they do either :^)
Just look it up then. They certainly aren't needed in a binary distro like arch.

>>57884884
what does the developer of a piece of software has to do with security?
if for example we lived in an alternate universe where the exact same selinux was made by the fsf how would it actually change the software?

>>57885024
>sup boi, I'm from the spying agency, have our free security tool against spying

Do I dual boot windows + debian or ubuntu????

>>57885082
How could we know?

>>57885060
You didn't answer my question though. SELinux has been heavily audited precisely because it was made by a spying agency. And nothing malicious was found.
Why would they make something that isn't secure if they are using it themselves? You'd think that would be a high priority for someone like them.

>>57884918
Thanks for the tip, this is fun.

>>57884936
your "objective" interpretation is extremley subjective.

>word processors aren't built with this option in mind
>you can't have this choice
>written in a way that doesn't allow for this
So like Arch packages and doc, but worse. So bloat.

>Source code allows you to not compile parts that have to do with FLAC
So bloat is only bloat if it's removable.

>Documentation isn't required for a program tl function
Neither are italics, bold or FLAC. These also come by default.

>If it comes by default without you choosing to include it certainly isn't lightweight
Again, if a user considers it a feature, then it's no longer bloat. I thinkwe can conclude that the definition. of "lightweigt" differs from user to user, is inherently subjective.

>>57885060
>selinux
>against spying
lmao
i'm sure you don't even know what it does or what its purpose is.

I've been using Kubuntu for a few months and am getting kinda tired of it. Tried Arch, Manjaro, Ubuntu, Puppy, Debian.

I want to switch because I hate all the software that came packaged with it and KDE just doesn't feel as good to use compared to XFCE. Just too many animations and I've grown old of the windows look.

Any suggestions for better distro than Kubuntu?

>>57885024
>it's okay if the foxes look after the hen den, guys

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>trying to set up a seedbox
>forced to ubuntu because fuck wasting my time
>fear the ubuntu bloat
>set it up
>the entire thing is literally using just 350mb ram
>mfw

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Reminder that Debian is the overall best distro:
1. Respects your freedom first and foremost, according to a social contract.
https://www.debian.org/social_contract
2. Allows you to knowingly opt-in to non-free software, if you want/need it.
3. Stable by default.
4. Allows you to knowingly opt-in to a rolling release, if you want/need it.
5. Has a constitution to give no single entity too much power over decisions.
https://www.debian.org/devel/constitution
6. One of the eldest and most influential distros to this day.

>>57885125
>So like Arch packages and doc, but worse. So bloat.
Not really, the word processor simply won't work without the parts of the source code that controls italics and bolds. It's an integral part of the software in the sense that it wasn't designed to be modular or removable.
>So bloat is only bloat if it's removable.
Technically speaking everything is removable with enough effort.
Something like FLAC support is usually handled with a few source files which aren't critical to the program's ability to work. Thus they can be removed if necessary without ending up with an uncompilable program.
>Neither are italics, bold or FLAC. These also come by default.
Italics and bold aren't located in a different optional source file and can't possibly be disabled without actually breaking the program.
>Again, if a user considers it a feature, then it's no longer bloat.
It it still objectively bloat. The user's own personal feelings don't change this.
> I thinkwe can conclude that the definition. of "lightweigt" differs from user to user, is inherently subjective.
There are two possible ways something can be bloat - subjectively and objectively.
Something is objectively bloated if it by default and without being able to change this includes shit which isn't necessary for the program being able to function. Every other bloat which the user chooses to install himself would be subjective.

>>57885230
don't try to point out anything wrong in my post though.
just write a silly meme response with a shitty analogy

>>57885250
>GNOME
no

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>>57885250
>SJW shit
>has systemd
No, thanks!

>>57885301
Wow, you're dense!

>>57885306
What's wrong with GNOME?

Also, if you don't like it for whatever reason, there are plenty of other DEs to choose from.

>>57885310
Saying that "Debian is SJW" doesn't mean anything. Can you be any more specific?

Also, what's wrong with systemd? Even if you hate it, it isn't difficult to switch to a different init system, or to simply use Devuan (Debian minus systemd).

>>57885323

You're literally arguing with an unironical NSA shill. Probably the same guy who keeps calling everyone "encryptards".

>>57885324
I don't like DE's. Too bulky. i3 wm for me thanks.

>>57885324
It's GNU crapware.

>>57885310
SJW is irrelevant to the OS itself.

Now, if it said "Check your privilege!" every time you booted up, then there would be a problem.

>>57885349

>what's wrong with systemd?

If you don't know, then you shouldn't be arguing about it.

>it isn't difficult to switch to a different init system

Maybe not, but if Debian is capable of making such a big mistake, then it can't possibly be trusted.

>>57885323
It looks like you are the retarded one here.
Don't try to answer though since memeing is the only think you're capable of
>>57885361
An NSA shill would totally call it a spying agency
I use encryption myself though

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Hey
Im using Solus (pls no h8) while using i3wm.
I would like to get transparrent terminals, but since Solus doesn't support Compton then i can't use it. Are there any alternatives, or any way around it, so that i can get that sweet transparency?

>>57885379
>it's okay if the devs are focusing more on political activism than actual technical issues, guys

57885410
>solus
stopped reading right here

Why do you guys care how secure your OS is? I haven't had antivirus for more than 5 years and I haven't gotten a single virus.

Just don't click on stupid shit and you'll be fine.

And I assume most of you don't click on stupid shit, so you're fine.

>>57885407
>What are conflicts of interest?
Must be fun being a teenager.

Feels good that you retards have no say in the matter and systemd is the de facto standard now, can't wait until you all give up and move on to the next thing.

>>57885437
>What is software auditing?
Must be fun being a teenager.

>>57885439
??? Distros exist without it.

>>57885425
> Friendly GNU/Linux
pls

>>57885423
Except that's not the case.

I actually wished Debian would choose openrc instead of systemd and I don't even hate systemd.

I also wished Debian went with XFCE as the default Desktop Environment like they actually planned to do.

It would make the distribution so much better.

>>57885439
>systemd is the de facto standard now
it isn't in my distro so i have no reason to really care about it

>>57885370
You can install any DE/WM that you want on Debian, including i3.

>>57885374
But what about it is crappy? Also, again, you're free to use an alternative DE/WM.

>>57885400
>If you don't know, then you shouldn't be arguing about it.
Fucking inform me, then. You shouldn't be shitting on something when you won't even say why it's worth shitting on.

>Maybe not, but if Debian is capable of making such a big mistake, then it can't possibly be trusted.
It isn't a mistake until you specify what's wrong with it.

>>57885458
>I actually wished Debian would choose openrc instead of systemd and I don't even hate systemd.
Use Devuan, or install Debian and switch away from systemd:
http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/How_to_remove_systemd_from_a_Debian_jessie/sid_installation

>I also wished Debian went with XFCE as the default Desktop Environment like they actually planned to do.
You literally uncheck the "Default DE" box, and check the "XFCE" box during installation.

>>57885452
Obviously, did I argue otherwise? Do you know what a standard is? The are other display servers in Linux but Xorg is the standard.

>>57885461
I have no problem with that.

>>57885426

>how secure your OS is

OSes aren't secure or insecure.

Security isn't a product, it's a process.

https://www.schneier.com/essays/archives/2000/04/the_process_of_secur.html

>I haven't had antivirus for more than 5 years and I haven't gotten a single virus

You're just straight lucky, you're playing with fire.

>Just don't click on stupid shit and you'll be fine.

Malware can take advantage of exploits and lack of security features and mitigations.

>And I assume most of you don't click on stupid shit

Stop trying to fix the user.

https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2016/10/security_design.html

>>57885439
systemd isn't a standard, it's just the fad du jour. Tomorrow, something else will replace it. Probably something even worse considering the path GNU/Linux has been taking for the past decade.

If I have an encrypted LUKS container I can just transfer it anywhere right?
The LUKS header should still be in the file if I didn't do any weird shit when setting it up?

>>57885555
Thanks for taking up tons of space by double spacing all your lines. Totally necessary and not annoying at all.

>>57885617

You're just jealous I got quads and you didn't, fag.

>>57885638
>>57885617
FRIENDLY!!!!!

>>57885589
Yes, you can even open it on Windows

>>57885638
No, I'm actually just annoyed by your desperate vanity. Quads are meaningless besides the minority of mindless autists who all marvel at them because they're sort of rare.

>>57885646
Stop yelling at me, this is a friendly thread.

>>57885572
>systemd isn't a standard
It's de facto standard, are you really trying to argue otherwise? Almost all distributions have switched to it.

>Tomorrow, something else will replace it.
It's not tomorrow yet and don't believe that to be the case but since there's no way either of us could possibly know that for sure it's a dumb argument to have.

This thread is so friendly, I'm literally crying.

>>57885686

>It's de facto standard, are you really trying to argue otherwise?
It's the standard what? It's hard to evaluate that, because it does too many things. It's most certainly not the standard boot manager or login manager.

>>57885718
»If you are a newcomer to Linux, either grow a really thick skin. Or run away, it's not a friendly place to be in.«
- L. Pottering

>>57885752
why do people bully him so much?

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>>57885768
Parrots parrotting parrots in order to look tech literate. Pottering did nothing wrong, he writes free software, writing free software is a good thing.

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>>57885768
Because he's the epitome of a stereotypical nerd.

(also he invented system-forced-dick up your butt)

>>57885805
>t. 9gag

>>57885788
If you write free software and have any vague connections with the NSA, you're 100% evil and an NSA shill who designs all your software for the NSA's benefit.

>>57885815
Fuck off, I use Greenshot to take specific screenshots, then they get auto-uploaded to imgur where I can easily post them to 4chan through 4chan X. I could've changed the image title if I gave a fuck.

>>57885768
He takes the bait and has a tsundere relationship with /g/.

I can post here if I use any GNU/ system right?
Or is it exclusive to the GNU + the Linux kernel combination?

>>57885734
init system

Ubuntu, Debian, Fedora/CentOS, openSUSE and Arch all use it to varying degrees but all of them use it as the default init system.

>>57885855
>I can post here if I use any GNU/ system right?
Of course. GNU/not-linux is basically the same OS that we all use.

>>57885896
Good. I use GNU/Darwin myself. I find it to be the best option for me.

>>57885855
Even BSDfags are allowed.

>>57885752
holy crap

>I don't usually talk about this too much, and hence I figure that people are really not aware of this, but yes, the Open Source community is full of assholes, and I probably more than most others am one of their most favourite targets. I get hate mail for hacking on Open Source. People have started multiple "petitions" on petition web sites, asking me to stop working (google for it). Recently, people started collecting Bitcoins to hire a hitman for me (this really happened!). Just the other day, some idiot posted a "song" on youtube, a creepy work, filled with expletives about me and suggestions of violence. People post websites about boycotting my projects, containing pretty personal attacks. On IRC, people /msg me sometimes, with nasty messages, and references to artwork in 4chan style. And there's more. A lot more.
https://plus.google.com/+LennartPoetteringTheOneAndOnly/posts/J2TZrTvu7vd

#stopthebully

>>57885856
That doesn't mean people use it. IE is the default browser on most PCs, but it's not the de facto standard. I've worked on Unix system administration for decades, and most professionals I know are running away from systemd like the devil runs away from the crucifix.

>>57885918
>4chan style

>>57885921
>literally a program that is among the first to load
>that doesn't mean people use it
u wot m8

>>57885948
>u wot m8
>>>/r/eddit

>>57885966
what's bad about reddit?
i visit it alongside this site

>>57885918
Sounds like tons of whining without any specificity or solid evidence.

If all his interactions in the community are toxic as he describes, then maybe he should look at himself before claiming that the WHOLE community is shit.

Also, I'm sure that the hate he describes isn't some inherent property of the Linux community. People are hating on him because he's a prominent figure who developed something controversial.

>>57885948
>if it comes bundled in some of the most popular distros, then everyone must be using it

>>57885981
He's right, the Linux community is cancer. Come to GNU, enjoy freedom and friendship!

>>57885948

It never loads if you don't use it, retard.

hey /g/, what's the best distro for gayming?

>>57885993
most people are using it since most people are using the most popular distros.

>>57885921
Absolute bullshit, the average user (which is the majority of users) simply doesn't give a shit.
Of the distributions I listed the only one that even tries to allow people to run other init systems is Debian.
In the enterprise the big three (Canonical, Red Hat, SUSE) will all use systemd exclusively from now on.
It is already the most used init system and it will only keep growing (especially in enterprise).

>>57886034
OSX

>>57886036
most people != everyone

>>57886036
By that logic, most people are using Internet Explorer, since most people are using Windows.

>>57885981
>developed something controversial
how is an init system controversial?
nothing but the memes about it are controversial.

>>57886034
gentoo for MAXIMUM performance

>>57885918
>Open Source
cuck

This thread is satire, right? Or is everyone serious?

>>57886082
were very serious here

>>57886045

The users who simply don't give a shit don't use Linux. They use Windows or Mac.

The enterprise is especially where systemd will never even take off. Moth sysadmins are qualified and smart enough to replace it - that is, if they even have to - most guys I know are sticking to Trusty, Wheezy, CentOS 5, und so weiter...

>>57886082

it used to be good for some months. But some people started to bring memes and now people just bait each others and talk about things they are clueless to feel superior.

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>>57886099
I'd just like to interject ...

>>57886114
no

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>>57886114
Get lost, fucktard.

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>>57886131
;_;

>>57886140
commonly used != correct

How do I make programs autostart with startx?
I read that xsession only works with a display manager(and its not starting anything I put in it with startx), but I get the impression im not supposed to use .xinitrc for anything but some important stuff and starting the WM

>>57886063
>systemd is an init system
What kind of init system comes with its very own QR code library?

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Will this noname DVD to HDD caddy work for my SATA3 machine? (Should at least be able to have SATA2.) No word of which SATA speed is supported.
http://www.ebay.de/itm/191979056999

>>57886168
arch is for advanced users only

Will folders from a windows machine (NTFS) that are inside a pen drive appear when mounted on a linux machine using EXT4?

>>57886186
Fuck off. Im not even using arch.

>>57886190
>pen drive
???

>>57886168
.xinitrc is for that.

>>57886168
you can put whatever the fuck you want in .xinitrc

Also most (if not all) WMs have their own autostart file.

In i3 you just add a proper line in .i3/config
In OB you edit the .config/openbox/autostart file

>>57886162
>create and foster artificial controversy for publicity
>expect to be taken seriously
GNU/Linux isn't a thing. It's make-believe. Now fuck right off.

>>57886099
>The users who simply don't give a shit don't use Linux. They use Windows or Mac.
I've used Linux before I knew what a init system was. A lot of non-technical people use Linux.

>The enterprise is especially where systemd will never even take off. Moth sysadmins are qualified and smart enough to replace it - that is, if they even have to - most guys I know are sticking to Trusty, Wheezy, CentOS 5, und so weiter...
Canonical, Red Hat and SUSE will all use systemd exclusively and you're telling me it will never even take off?

>>57886175
That's not part of the init system.

>>57886200
usb flash drive in many parts of the world

>>57886215
Stop, Lennart! You're not fooling anyone.

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>>57886210

>>57886059
But they aren't. are you literally retarded and don't understand the difference between something like a browser and an init system?

>>57886200
usb stick*

>>57886215

>the guy defending systemd is a "non-technical" user

COLOUR ME THE FUCK SURPRISED

>>57886231
why green on black

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>>57882693
Okay /g/ents I got Arch up and running. I have to reinstall, because I fucked up the partitioning, but it will be easy this time around.

The hardest part was getting my WiFi adapter detected, so I needed to download base + base-devel on my 4g connection which took several hours at 20kb/s, then cloning, compiling and finally modprobing the driver.

I don't want to go through this headache again so how can I transfer my driver to my Install USB? Is the driver in this folder where I compiled or is it in a /lib/ or whatever that I need to copy.

>>57886229
I haven't even said anything good about systemd. I'm only arguing that it is the most used init system.

>>57886252
Nobody cares, Lennart.

>>57886231
so your operating system is named that
why does everyone else have to conform to your shitty choice of software?

>>57886244
Nice reading comprehension.

>I've used Linux before I knew what a init system was.
>before I knew
>before

I used Linux for the first time a few decades ago.

>>57886250
It looks more hackery.

>>57886252
>I'm only arguing that it is the most used init system.
But it isn't. Most machines running Linux are servers, and servers are supposed to be stable.

>>57886239
>But they aren't.
Exactly.

>are you literally retarded and don't understand the difference between something like a browser and an init system?
How dumb can you possibly be to miss the point 3 times in a row?

>>57886244
>COLOR ME THE FUCK SURPRISED
I think that's what you meant here

>>57886269
Yours probably says that too.

>>57886209
>>57886205
I'm aware of the autostart files in openbox, I actually ask because im changing from openbox to swm+wmutils because memes.
Im almost certain I Remember reading somewhere "dont put everything in .xinitrc", I suppose it just meant dont do that if you have an autostart file from your WM, or can use .xsession with a DM.
thanks /g/

>>57886307
>t. amerifat
The internet speaks English, retard.

>>57886324
I'm not American though.
Color is the correct way to spell it. British """""""English""""""" isn't used on the internet

>>57886231
When did that start? I remember using Debian Hamm and uname never output "GNU/Linux".

>>57886313
why do you think so?

i want to reinstall arch on another disc becose its boots milion years and have some problems with drivers
1st time i didnt used anything is arch anywhere or architect good idea?

>>57886374
uname is part of the GNU coreutils, thats why

>>57885918

>Recently, people started collecting Bitcoins to hire a hitman for me (this really happened!)

Why is this so funny? It's so absurd.

>>57886493
And?

>>57886493
No, it isn't. It is a system call. Try

$ man 2 uname

.

>>57886522
>Why is this so funny? It's so absurd.
Exactly what I thought after the election.
Memes aren't toys.

>>57886493
Nice. Didn't know my non-GNU system had the GNU coreutils
That's really interesting.

>>57886561
>my non-GNU system
pix or it didnt happen, edgelord

If I have 2 drives in my computer, an SSD for the OS and a storage hard drive for music/movie files and I wanted to dual boot Linux with Wangblows, would Linux have any problems reading/handling the files on the storage drive if it is NTFS?

>>57886561

The uname binary just calls the uname system call. See >>57886541

http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man2/uname.2.html

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>>57886571

>>57886541
taken straight from the uname manpage

man uname

Full documentation at: <http://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/uname>
or available locally via: info '(coreutils) uname invocation

so on a normal Linux system (with the Gnu coreutils installed) uname will call the uname syscall and make it readable (uname retruns an int) so the programm you are using by typing uname into the terminal will most likely be part of the Gnu coreutils

>>57886604
uname populates a struct with systeminformation

What distro should I use if I want a dedicated machine for music/video editing?

>>57886604

It just prints info obtained from elsewhere.

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>>57886571

>>57886696
this does not prove you are using a non gnu system. You could be using a patched version of uanme

>>57886351
>tfw american and my 1st grade teacher taught it as colour
>only word she used british spelling of
>bitch probably did it so i would i would get marked off in later grades for spelling it that way
i'm on to you, you cheeky cunt

>>57886710
FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME: UNAME GETS ITS INFO FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>57886633
>music/video editing
Probably Darwin or NT

>>57886721
yes but it can still alter the information

>>57886721
What's UNAME?

>>57886710
what should I screenshot then?

So I looked up UNIX war games and started bandit, shit's cash.
> get to level 9
> "The password for the next level is stored in the file data.txt in one of the few human-readable strings, beginning with several ‘=’ characters."
> hexdump that bitch because I don't know what the fuck I'm doing
> grep onto sequential = characters
> copy what looks like the password to the clipboard
> log out
> accidentally close terminal
> open new terminal
> try to log into ssh game server as bandit10 with the new password
> whoops, copied the entire line including some of the actual hex dump instead of just the ASCII translation
> take a break, watch some videos
> go back to terminal
> oh fuck I overwrote the clipboard contents, the password is gone
> and I can't log in as bandit9 to look it up because I don't remember that password either
> or the one for bandit8
> or bandit7
...
> start from scratch
And this is how I learned that keeping a record of all passwords is important.
Also bandit12 was quite the ride. Compressing compressed files that were created by compressing a compressed file... REEEEEE

>>57886730
It can because you can change it to do your computing however you want.

>>57886729
is this a sarcastic response?

>>57886997
No. Darwin and NT are a lot better for what you want to do.

>>57886952
bandit is pretty cool, did it a while back.
Last level is pretty overkill, after 4 hours I cheated.

>>57886720
bloody savage, m8. I'm cream knackered of the kerfuffle these colonials make about imperial lingo. Squabbling with them is a damn damp squib, and makes me chunder. I'm chuffed to be able to spell "colour" the right way, and what the Americans have done to the English Language is all to pot. I love sucking the queens dick. Cheers!

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What's a real easy to use installer for gentoo like arch-anywhere is for arch?

I want to pretend being l33t hacker in front of my friends and screenfetch on gentoo seems like a solid approach.

>>57887084
screenfetch -D Gentoo

>>57887098
SICK

so I can just alias screenfetch to that

THANKS MAN

>>57887084
I'm not sure if there even is one, you could just use a gentoo based distro and do >>57887098
It isn't that hard so you don't even need an installer, just follow the handbook.
>>57887098
It won't show his packages though.

>>57887084
Just use the live iso.

I just got a call from someone claiming to be from some microsoft support center, needing to talk about my computer and that theres been attempts at hacking my windows computer.
He was indian. Thick indian accent.
lol

Does the binary version of firefox from their website automatically update like the windows version? Where you extract it to directory and symlink to /usr/local/bin?

>>57887164
>He was indian. Thick indian accent.
we call that a pajeet over here.

>>57887174
no

>>57887122
>It won't show his packages though.
screenfetch -D Gentoo | sed "/Packages:/s/0/$(printf '\e[m')1337/g"

>>57887174
>self-updating programs
pure horror

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>>57882693
Is there any reason to not use Gnome Videos (totem)? Back in the day, it used to suck pretty hard, no support for stylized subs, subs that were over Japanese place names, and 10bit never worked at all. This seems to have been fixed, as my early tests have shown.

Is mpv even necessary at this point for people not on the spectrum?

>>57887635
mpv is literally the best.
everything else is pretty much trash.

>>57887635
Is GUI even necessary for a video player?

I mean you configure it once don't you? Right after you install it and then never touch again.

>>57887722
Well it already comes with my distro, so why install a second video player if the first one works fine. That's my question.

Hey guys when I installed Ubuntu in 2013 on my samsung notebook (RV411) the trackpad worked just fine even the scrolling gesture. I installed Debian today and it doesn't.
Can I just get a generic trackpad driver? I don't care about gestures.

>>57882693
i been a longtime slackware user, but the last couple of years i gotten lazy, Salix is a good distro for lazy slackers, and Absolute was a distro i tried in the past, and Absolute just released another ISO today (absolute-14.2.2) and i decided to try it again on a Thinkpad T510 and so far i am liking the installer which is very slackwareish, i will post more info if slackware and slackware derivitaves are interested, start a slack thread and keep it going for that lovely crusty neckbeard goodness!!!

>>57887801
If you are sure that the program works fine and you don't want to replace it, then why would you ask to strangers on the internet for approval on your decisions?

New thread: >>57888116

>>57887084
Calculate Linux

Anyone here uses any kind of expense/finance manager? I tried GNUCash but I have problems syncing the file through a private instance of OwnCloud (operations mismatch in app and desktop)

Virtualbox will be ok for W10 testing?

>>57887098
Kernel version will tell the truth.

>psychiatrist:how have you been keeping busy?
>me: GNU/Linux.
haha

So I just installed Ubuntu, are there any drivers or something I should get?

>>57889045
Drivers are included in the kernel. Enjoy.

>>57889045
most stuff should just work out of the box, if you're using a dedicated GPU you should install the drivers for said GPU.

Also if you have the unity desktop change it for literally any other DE/WM

>>57889379
Why do I need to upgrate drivers for the GPU if I can't play games on Linux anyway?

>>57889552
>why would I need the latest driver of any hardware

Gee I wonder

>can't play games on linux
Actually, you can

>>57885246
a ubuntu seedbox should be using much less than that

>>57886231
uname is part of the GNU coreutils, of course any GNU project is going to want to use "GNU/Linux", it's made by the people pushing that name

>>57886318
if you use multiple wm's, put wm-agnostic stuff in ~/.xinitrc, and wm-specific stuff in its own autostart config
otherwise it doesn't matter where you put it

>>57886190
if you have ntfs3g installed, yes, you can mount ntfs formatted disks

>>57889617
That's not an answer fucking faggot

>>57889727
Yes, it is.

>>57886251
why not just backup your rootfs and restore it once you've redone your partitions?

also, if you still want to reinstall for whatever reason, just reuse your package cache (/var/cache/pacman/pkg/)
nothing will need to be redownloaded

>>57885306
>what is netinst
You can install pretty much any DE/WM on this boi

>>57887174
those are primarily used by packagers, not end users

>>57885250
>respects your freedom
>forces systemd on you
>you need to enable and sync the non-free repositories if you need some non-free software in order to get shit done
>outdated packages by default

yeah, no