/pcbg/ - PC Building General: Zen Is Comming Edition

ZEN WHEN

>>57620516
it's gonna disappoint, dont get your hopes up

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What's a good way to tidy up these fan cables and the AC'97 on the bottom?

>>57620728
Yes, I know I need to be using reusable ties to start. I've been making the switch gradually.

>>57620487
my next builds:

workstation:
> 8c * 3 GHz Zen/Summit Ridge
> 64 GB ECC DDR4
> 512 GB Samsung Pro
> 10 GbE NIC if on-die controller isn't exposed in SR platform
> whatever RX 4xx/GTX 10xx card is on sale

gaymen box:
> high clocked 4c Skylake or Kaby Lake I guess
> 16-32 GB DDR4
> 512 GB Samsung Pro
> Vega 10 or 1080 Ti

NAS:
> Gigabyte MB10-DS4 (4c Xeon-D with onboard SFP+ 10GbE)
> 32 GB ECC DDR4
> 5x 4 TB in RAID5 or equivalent
> Intel 750 SSD cache

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/7w4Bhq
Going to be playing at 1440p.
Critique pls.

Any good HDD deals going on right now? Looking to get a 2TB and a 1TB. Just had my one and only storage drive die on me, a 3TB drive, and I'm turbomad because everything was on it. Gonna use the 1TB as dormant storage of stuff I won't often look at often, and the 2TB for active shit (music, toku, games etc).

any word on when will cryorig fans be avaible again? no shop around me has them

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/CL3vbj
Thoughts? I'm not convinced on the mobo, SSD, or HDD.

Build will be for school (infosec, virtualization) and moderate gaming.

Can get OS from school software distribution for free.

Any suggestions on monitors? I'd like 2 but desk space limited. Thinking either 1 27in 1440p or 2 24in 1080p, does that sound reasonable?

>>57621240
Chillingly based.

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This is everything I have in my current system. I'm looking to upgrade, but can't decide what to do first. Currently have ~$400 to spend.

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/JrFK2R

>>57621468
Also, what the hell is happening to DDR4? I only paid $68 for those 2 sticks back in June.

>>57621539
Everyone is buying it silly. Well not me because I don't know if I should upgrade to DDR4 or not.

>>57621468
Get a current gen meme70.

>>57621468
No HDD? Bigger SSD for #2? You're already set for 2 years.

>>57621626
I plan on saving for a 1080 instead of buying a 1070 now and trying to sli it later.
>>57621640
Nope, never had an HDD in it. I was thinking about getting a 950 evo m.2

I'm using a tv as a monitor, should I just upgrade and get a proper monitor?

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>>57621735
Pic related

>>57621702
>saving for a 1080
Good choice. *70s don't last as long.

>>57621575
I don't think the performance difference is worth the price now. Maybe when it was cheaper.

>>57621786
I've had my 970 for a while, but I've been looking to upgrade it since I bought it.
I don't want to do that shit again with a 1070.

>>57621844
970 owner here, what's so bad about it? other than it being 3.5gb

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Please improve this and make it cheaper:
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/2BW9tJ

Use: Photoshop, Illustrator, Blender (mostly modeling), After Effects (mostly compositing still images), Microsoft Visual Studio, make it Source 2 engine proof and able to play games like Red Orchestra 2 and EU4 on max

>>57621862
Nothing wrong with it for 1080p gaming, but I want to move to high refresh and 1440p. It probably wouldn't survive that.

>>57621879

I live in the U.S. and own a 1080p 23" monitor

> i5-6500
> GTX 1060
> 8GB RAM
> 500W PSU
> Case
> Mobo
> 240GB SSD

Can a madman get me all of this for around $700-$720 max?

Im thinking of getting an old Xeon E5-1650 for $45 and a used 970 for gaymes and 3dm.

Do you think that is reasonable?

>>57621879
pls be my friend

>>57622004
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/ccWBhq
$640

I am thinking about buying a new mouse, what's /g/'s opinion on the Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer?

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so I'm not the only one anxious for the Arrival of Zen

>>57622065
Solid, but I'd spend the extra $60 on a bigger case like the R5 for more room to upgrade into imo.

>>57622096
I'm not holding my breath. AMD's eyes are so smeared with poo that they can't see how far behind they are.

>>57622116
Are you still the anon that asked for the build?

>>57622159
No I just like critiquing.

>>57622164
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/VcdrYr
Oh, well theres this one anyways. Atx board and mid tower.

>>57622183
Anon here.

How big of a difference will the 1x8 RAM sticks and Mini 1060 make over 2x4 sticks and a regular 1060? I'm trying to stay around $670 here since ive always spent $150 on monitor + accessories and I want to stay under $850 (not including rebates).

>>57622117
>t. paid Intel shill
The market needs this. Intel's monopoly has given us a stagnation.

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http://pcpartpicker.com/list/PWnLwV
Just want to get some opinions on this build and if I might need a better power supply.
I already have the GPU and PSU listed here.

>>57622256
It wouldn't be vast. I'd get the 1x8 so you can buy another one later and run 16gb in dual channel,.

>>57620487
If it's even remotely good I plan on buying one to go with AMD's RX 490 or whatever Vega ends up being called. I want AMD to succeed an if it can keep up with a 6 core Intel processor in any application, it should be more than good enough for my desktop needs.

Laptop will stay Intel though

>>57622343
Get a modular seasonic PSU instead. They're quiet and well made.

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>>57620487
Give it to me straight desus
I'm planning on buying the parts for a solid build over the next couple of months.
http://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/bLkWBP
1. Am I memeing myself by buying parts over the course of a couple months or should I just save all the money until I'm ready to buy everything
2. Am I memeing myself with an i5 this late into their lifespan? I'm just gonna be doing some gayming on a 1440p 75hz monitor, will it bottleneck before the 1070 does?
3. Am I memeing myself with a 1070, or should I buy everything a couple weeks earlier with the cheaper 1060?
4. What's the cheapest but still decent motherboard for this build? I don't want to fork out 250 bucks for a meme gaymer board but I don't know exactly how different z170 boards get.

Is 16 GB of RAM worth it? All current games only require 8.

>>57622774
It makes no discernable difference in any current game, and extra ram is easy enough to install. I'm just getting 8gb on a 1070 build.

>>57621307
>i7
>GTX 1080
>120GB SSD
One of these does not fit

>>57621451
Get 3000MHz RAM
Depends on what moderate gaming means, but the 1060 is for 1080p AAA games

>>57622774
If you use production software, 16gb has its benefits.

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/GwLcRG

is it worth it?

>>57622796
>>57622802
Thanks anons.

>>57622117
the intel jew dick is now so far up your ass it perforates your brain and makes you post shit like this

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>>57622700
Someone (you) me for me pls :)

>57622700 (You)

>>57621468
Save up and get a nice 1440p Gsync monitor and a GTX 1070, probably a little under 1000USD. Otherwise you're on a plateau with your current build

>>57621735
You're probably fine as is

>>57621702
>I plan on saving for a 1080
Don't buy a 1080, retard. 1070 or 1080Ti

>>57622012
It's fine for $45

>>57622004
http://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/#view=yzYrHx
Add another $75 for the graphics card, with sales you can get it down to 700

>>57622700
(You'd)
Get 3000MHz RAM
Get 240GB SSD
1. Yes
2. No
3. Not for 1440p
4. 120USD, not sure about kangabux

>>57622774
No

>>57622816
Worth it for what?

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>>57622700
>>57622903
http://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/YtpzFd
There is some thermal compound preapplied on the cooler, but you might want to get some NT-H1 or whatever.

>>57623010
Do you spread thermal paste with something like an old debit card or do you just plop it on there? I think i've been doing it wrong.

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>>57622862
I like AMD and I never said that it was going to be shit. I just said I wasn't going to hold my breath.
The market needs the competition, but I don't know if AMD will be able to deliver.

>>57623039
Tiny dot in center of chip

>>57623079
And that's it? nothing else?

>>57623003
>get a nice 1440p Gsync monitor and a GTX 1070, probably a little under 1000USD
Dude, I only have $400.

>>57623039
This >>57623079 and then spread it like pic related >>57623010 for maximum concentration of thermal compound.

>>57623003
>>57623010
>>57622931

thanks for the (you)s and attempted (you)s fellas
Last question; some guy is willing to sell me a HP computer that has an i7 chip in it and a 27 inch 1080p samsung monitor for 250 kangbux, but he doesn't know the actual product names. Should I go for it anyway?

>best zen
>as powerful as i7 6900k
>300usd

On the 0.1% chance that's true, I'll buy one day one.

>>57623097
That it's. The paste will spread itself when the heat sink is put on the cpu.

>>57623101
That's why I literally said "save up" right before I suggested the monitor + 1070

>>57623103
>maximum concentration

>>57623127
Maybe, you could put a 1050Ti in it but that's probably as powerful a graphics card as you can use because no PCIe power connectors in prebuilts

>>57623201
I was thinking more along the lines of taking the chip out, considering i7 chips cost around 400 bucks in aus. Take out the cpu and cannabilise whatever else I can from the case and save me buying more parts.

>>57623130
Huh, I guess I've been doing it the wrong way then.

>>57620487
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/b4mkgL
Ayy i'm planning on buying this for gayming
i have about 600$ budget.
should i spend more on a i5 and buy a cheaper MOBO? i got a little upgrade on budget so i planned on buying a 70$ mATX.

Also i don't plan on buying especifically that ZOTAC 1050ti, i'm just using it as a placeholder for any 1050ti really.

>>57623156
Oh, I didn't notice. So, what til January for the 1080ti then?

If I move a cpu between two different computers, will I keep the OS?

>>57623363
No

>>57623377
What do I need to do to keep the os

http://au.pcpartpicker.com/user/Venzan/saved/7Rwzyc

an anon in the previous /pcbg/ made me paranoid about this hsf

Cryorig H7 literally disappeared in Australia, so the 212 is my backup, any replacement?

>>57623407
Move the storage drive that has the os installed on it.

>>57623246
>should i spend more on a i5 and buy a cheaper MOBO?
If you don't plan on getting a Kaby Lake CPU, definitely yes. If you can stretch your budget just a little and don't want the mentioned Kaby Lake, get this: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/RLytKZ
You can obviously skip the HDD and cooler since the i5-6500 has one included and maybe get a cheaper case like the N300, but this build is a quality budget silent build with reasonable power, upgradeability and reuseability.

>>57623412
Can I move the OS to a different storage drive then get rid of it afterwards?

>>57623411
>this build
Fucking why...

>>57623411
Why not just get the Evo for dirt cheap? And a 620w PSU would likely accommodate you fine as well.

>>57623430
You could migrate the os to another drive, yes.
But, get rid of what?

>>57623246
If you keep a Z170 mobo get 3000MHz RAM
For an i3 all you need is a B150
Get the RX470 instead of the GTX1050Ti, keep the i3

>>57623297
Yep

>>57623363
No but pirating windows is easy

>>57623433

what's wrong with it?

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>>57623415

thanks a lot my dude i couln't get decide since i'm not really all that great at building PC's

have this dank meme as a reward

>>57623439
the original storage drive

>>57623407
Transfer mobo and HDD as well, if it's an OEM key

>>57623458
Nah m8 you're fucking up, read the other reply to your post. I can't see why people take the first reply as truth. You're on 4chan

>>57623468
Yeah, you can do that.

>>57623454
not that guy but your parts aren't really balanced for that build. Unnecessary PSU, Mobo etc.

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Used the guide in the OP, how does this look? Will be salvaging a 750 psu and a 1070 from my old build

Can someone confirm all this stuff is compatible?

>>57623522
>1070
>old build
??

>>57623522
It's fine but I would prefer to have redundant storage

>>57623536
I'm in a cycle of upgrade computer, then upgrade gpu, then upgrade computer, then upgrade gpu

I've been doing this for like 20 years now

>>57623454
Too much. If you have to ask, you should do some research..

>>57623571
I do the same thing but every 2-3 years because I'm not rolling in dosh.

Tryna get a pretty good, future proof build.
>inb4 muh 1070 i7 meme!!!
just tell me if my build will blow up anytime soon, as it's my 1st one, i have literally no idea what i'm doing

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/N2mmFd

>>57623454

it's shit

here I fixed it

http://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/w6pzFd

>>57623491
why can't the first reply be correct?
also, i feel as if i'm buying the RX470 i may as well buy a 1060 3gb for like 20 bucks more and that i can't really afford

I don't really expect anyone to know the answer, but here goes anyway. GTX 1080 SLI suffers from PCI-E bandwidth bottlenecks on my Z87 (4.7GHz 4790K) system, since the cards are only running at PCI-E x8 and the required bandwidth at 4K with certain techniques (temporal AA & co.) just doesn't fit.

The "obvious" solution where performance is better is a x16/x16 X99 system, but 5930K/6850K are very expensive. Does anyone know if Z87/97 mobos which come with those PLX PCI-E switches can alleviate the b/w bottleneck? I know the CPU still only has 16 lanes available, but I'm thinking that since the GPUs should only have to talk to each other for SLI data transfer, that could potentially be done through the PLX chip. I'm very happy with my CPU as far as performance goes and spending $600 on one just so I get more PCI-E lanes seems like a huge waste, not to mention that I'd have to dump my perfectly good mobo and RAM too.

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whats the best monitor i can get, budget is around 350-400 USD?

>>57623728
For 1080 or 1440? Anything by Acer is relatively good for the price.

>>57623728
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAB714894154

$390. 1440p. 144hz. IPS.

>>57623762
>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIAB714894154
whats the catch

>>57623633
>here I fixed it

not with that HSF you didn't

http://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/qCC4BP

>>57623791
It's ugly as fuck

>>57623743
i want to go 1440, ifs it feasible

>>57623690
4GB 470 is at least as good as the 3GB 1060, but if you can't afford that you shouldn't get an i5 because your graphics card is the underpowered part of your build

>>57623703
I don't think you're being bottlenecked
https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Titan-X-Performance-PCI-E-3-0-x8-vs-x16-851/

>>57623824
Need high Hz + Gsync or Freesync depend on your graphics card brand

>>57623791
It doesn't look the greatest and it has freesync instead of gsync.

>>57623876
who gives a fuck about those syncs

>>57623743
>>57623762
want to go 1440, nice monitor but im upgrading a nvidia card to another nvidia card

>>57623888
I don't, but thats why it costs less. Gsync monitors are more expensive.

>>57623888
Anyone who's buying a new monitor a the end of 2016, dipshit

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http://pcpartpicker.com/list/WngwkT

Thoughts on this list? For 1080/ 120hz

>>57623990
Should be ok depending on the game. I'd probably get a 1070 though.

currently have a HD 4550 512 MB as my GPU, how big of an 'upgrade' will a GT 730 2GB be? I's the only small form factor GPU I can find at the moment.

What headset is best for gayman? I already have the logitech 320 or whatever, the shit with the letter G on the side

>>57624040
its shit. get a 750 ti

>>57623855
>I don't think you're being bottlenecked
I'm not sure what you're trying to say. The very article you posted shows performance drops up to 30% at x8/x8 in some scenarios and those may not even be the worst issues. As I've said, it's not universal and doesn't happen in every game, but things like temporal AA (which uses data from the previous frame to draw the current one) can cause issues with AFR. You can see in the results below. Just look how poorly SLI scales with half the b/w in some cases and how much of an impact TAA has on SLI, whereas on single-GPU it's basically free. This sort of shit never got any real exposure or serious testing by reviewers (and may not even be encountered if they're benching on crazy-tier X99 systems anyway).

It can get pretty bad (some of it is in German but graphs are graphs):
https://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=11059897&postcount=2261
https://www.forum-3dcenter.org/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=11209020&postcount=2402

>>57624013
As long as I can get ultra settings, I'm fine with "only" 60fps in every game except Overwatch. That game I'd really like to hit high frame rates.

>>57624090
I don't play overwatch, so I don't know.
My best advice is to look on youtube for people that have that setup and look at their performance.
That should give you a bit of an idea.

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i made the mistake of buying all this trying to upgrade from an 8350 build.

returning tomorrow!

I've got a RVZ01 at the moment, and i'm seriously debating between doing a scratch build or upgrading - and if that upgrade should include totally new guts.

I currently have a H81 motherboard paired with an i3 and a R9 270.

>>57624072
>The very article you posted shows performance drops up to 30% at x8/x8 in some scenarios
Literally ONE scenario, and even then it's at 11,520x2160, which is 3 x 4K.

Nothing else shows a bottleneck

I don't see any significant performance drops in either the links you posted or the one I posted, at least nothing to indicate a PCIe 3.0 bandwidth bottleneck more than SLI scaling problems.. everyone knows that SLI/CF is shitty

>>57624137
Depends on why you wanna upgrade. You definitely don't need a new mobo, you can just get an E3 1231 V3 as a processor and maybe a new video card.

>>57623939

shut the fuck up

most people who are stupid enough to fall for the meme don't even understand it's significance

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>>57624208
No, you shut the fuck up, faggot. Judging by the rest of your confused post you have no idea what you're talking about besides vomiting up the word "meme"

>>57624208
This.

>>57624133
What changed your mind? It is kind of a sidegrade in certain situations but in others an improvement.

>>57624183
>I don't see any significant performance
>TW3 single GPU: TAA costs 1 FPS
>TW3 SLI: TAA costs 20FPS

>FO4 scaling drops from 68% to 42%
>SWBF scaling drops from 86% to 64%
>TW3 scaling drops from 71% to 46%
>WD drops from 69% to 54%
What exactly is "significant" to you? SLI consistently scales ~70%+ unless you starve it of b/w, then it's quite shit. The problem is there and clear as day. You halve the PCI-E b/w and keep everything else the same and SLI shits itself, it can't become more clear than this.

The only reason it takes 4K surround to be visible in Heaven is because it doesn't use TAA and as such doesn't require huge b/w unless you push the res. I already mentioned that the problem at 4K is generally tied to games which use TAA or some other technique that has to pull data from the previous frame.

>>57623990
I'm that faggot that's going to tell you to get 16gib because of reasons. Believe me, it's a very good reason that is very relevant.

>>57624062
$144 for the 750ti, I assume that's the best low profile GPU on the market? The GT 730 is $80 for 1GB and my CPU doesn't have integrated graphics.

>>57624326
>I assume that's the best low profile GPU on the market?
No it's not but it's one of the best value. The GT 730 is super gimped and you're not getting 50% of a 750 ti even though you're paying more than half the price.

Well, the board has 4 dimms. If I feel the need, I will upgrade later. Honestly not a bad piece of advice given my price tier. I've just never seen games use more than 2gb of memory or so. I think I hit 4.5gb ram used with World of Warcraft, streaming music, and a bunch of Chrome tabs open once.

>>57624326
1050 LP variants just announced today. Pretty big upgrade over the 750ti, may be worth waiting for these.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/msi-gtx-1050-new-low-profile-compact-cards/

There is also a low profile 950 that doesn't require a connector out there as well but it was only released in a few markets.

>>57623703
GIGABYTE Z97X-G1 Gaming GT

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Will it be better to get a 480 8gb or a 1060 6gb?
I know the 1060 is better in DX11 games but the 480 is slightly better in DX12, is DX12 catching on enough to warrant buying a 480 over a 1060?

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>>57624302
>unless you starve it of b/w
Provide proof, this is an assumption

>You halve the PCI-E b/w and keep everything else the same
You aren't keeping everything the same. You're trying to use TAA in SLI. Clearly it's related to that and not PCIe bandwidth

>>57624385
He isn't looking for low profile, I think he just need a "half a card" type video card, also not sure he has an extra adapter or else he could have gone even for a small 1070, judging by his price point thought the 750 ti fits both of those scenarios best without breaking bank.

>>57624379
oops>>57624320

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>>57624420
And more evidence that bandwidth isn't the problem

Any major differences between nvmeme and sata ssds?

>>57624415
If the trend holds up AMD will age far better.

>>57624302
What you need to do is find the SLI scaling using TAA for lesser cards like the 970 and 1070. If the 970 can maintain 70% scaling and the 1070's is something in between the 970's and 1080's, you have proof of a bandwidth limitation

>>57624415
Nobody knows the exact answer to this and anybody that claims to know is full of shit. If historical trends are any indication then the AMD card will likely overtake its competitor at some point due to software catching up to the hardware but that may be over a year away or more if it ever happens. The 480 is also slightly more power hungry. Go with your gut and the one that has the secondary features you might want.

>>57624428
Yeah, he may not necessarily need the LP form factor. Need more info. I agree that nobody should waste their time with the GT 730 though, holy shit that is a bad card. The 750ti deserved to be labelled as a 900 series since it's actually Maxwell and its low brand number belies how good of a little card it is.

>>57624428
>>57624504
I am looking for a low profile card though, looked up the GT 740 and for some reason that requires an extra power connector.

The card's actually for a a broke college friend who just wants to play S.T.A.L.K.E.R above 30fps on his 1280x1024 monitor. Going to wait and see if any Black Friday/Cyber Monday clearance sales come up for it.

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>>57624420
>Provide proof, this is an assumption
I posted benchmarks where literally, LITERALLY nothing changes except PCI-E b/w and performance drops significantly (first link). What more do you want?

>>57624389
Yeah I know about it, my question is: does it actually help or do you need "real" lanes from a 5930K/6850K?

>>57624420
>You aren't keeping everything the same
Literally everything the same except PCI-E settings, pic related.

>>57624502
I'm just a home user with a Z87 mobo, I don't have access to the hardware to test shit out myself and major reviewers don't know about/ignore this issue. Sadly that's not really possible. Still, if you read forums you'll find other users with similar issues with other games and cards too, like 980 Ti SLI and DOOM 2016. If the only thing that changes is PCI-E b/w and that causes significant FPS differences, I'd say it's pretty clear though.

>>57624563
Nigga what you need a low profile for? Are you sure you're using the term correctly? The 750 ti doesn't need an extra power connector by the way.

>>57624504
>>57624476

thanks for the answers guys

what would be a good cpu cooler for an overclocking mini-itx build in a node 202? Using 6600k

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>>57624592
He has a low profile PC: HP Elite 8100 Small Form Factor, see pic.Power supply is apparently 250w and mobo is limited to 25w maximum through PCIe slots if that changes anything.

>>57624572
>LITERALLY nothing changes except PCI-E b/w
>"Base Clock Speed: PCIe 3.0 = 8.0GHz, PCIe 2.0 = 5.0GHz, PCIe 1.1 = 2.5GHz
Data Rate: PCIe 3.0 = 1000MB/s, PCIe 2.0 = 500MB/s, PCIe 1.1 = 250MB/s
Total Bandwidth: (x16 link): PCIe 3.0 = 32GB/s, PCIe 2.0 = 16GB/s, PCIe 1.1 = 8GB/s
Data Transfer Rate: PCIe 3.0 = 8.0GT/s, PCIe 2.0= 5.0GT/s, PCIe 1.1 = 2.5GT/s

PCIe 3.0 features a number of interface architecture improvements, but communicates at the same interface speeds used in PCIe 2.0. PCIe 3.0 achieves twice the communication speeds of PCIe 2.0 through various architecture and protocol management improvements."
Have to compare PCIe 3.0 x16 to PCIe 3.0 x8, can't do PCIe 3.0 x16 to PCIe 2.0 x16.

>>57624642
>25w maximum through PCIe slots
It changes everything. Just bin that shit desu. If he's spending money to "upgrade it" it will be very very shit value, just tell him to get a used FX 6300 kit or something.

>>57624642
>mobo is limited to 25w maximum through PCIe slots

bruh.

>>57624665
>Total Bandwidth: (x16 link): PCIe 3.0 = 32GB/s, PCIe 2.0 = 16GB/s
>PCIe 3.0 is 2GB/s each lane
>PCIe 3.0 x8 is 16GB/s
>exactly the same as PCI-E 2.0 x16

>>57624669
>>57624642
Anyway just to reiterate what >>57624668 said, his PC is basically impossible to upgrade. Nothing that will fit those requirements will be an actual upgrade. He'd be better off salvaging what he can from that case and saving for a low end build.

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>>57624563

>>57624719
>ignoring PCIe 3.0 features a number of interface architecture improvements, but communicates at the same interface speeds used in PCIe 2.0.

It's ok if you've already decided and refuse to listen to consider other options

>>57624453
better sequential and read speeds, at a slightly higher price.

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>>57620487

>BULLDOZER WILL BLOWN INTEL SANDY BRIDE
>FURY AND HBM WILL BLOW MAXWELL
>POLARIS WILL BE EFFICIENT AND BLOW PASCAL

>>57624723
Only thing that might be worthwhile in his PC is a i7 870, although I'm not sure if hunting down a LGA 1156 board is worth it at this point.

>>57624794
and random*

>>57624292

Explain it then professor.

>>57624813
Oh no, that wouldn't really be worth it. I just meant like his HDD or any optical drives that he could need. Best to start from scratch at this point with a new mobo.

What's the point of Zen anyway other than higher clock speeds/more cores and or lower power usage? If your after higher clocks and most of your stuff is still single threaded (games for example) then sooner or later your gonna hit a wall. Having 1000FPS in a game is pretty much over kill. Not to mention support, some games don't take kindly to high clock speed/multi cores. Unreal Tournament is one (1999,classic). Yes people still play this game, still plenty of online servers. If it's more cores, again other than video encoding or massive photo editing (photoshop) having anything past 8 cores is overkill for desktop stuff. Lower power usage is fine but you pay in terms of lower clocks/fewer cores. So again, what the hell does Zen offer that your current cpu can't handle. New egg had an FX 8300 (8 core chip) on sale for $100 a few days ago. I'm sure as Zen hits all the current FX cpu will have a price drop. So why blow $$ on new mobo/ram/etc when all you gotta do is bag an FX and be happy.

>>57624782
You don't understand what you're posting. It doesn't mean what you think it does. All it says is that PCI-E 3.0 achieves higher bandwidth through other means than increasing interface speed, but the end result is still the same: more bandwidth. Just what sort of magic do you imagine PCI-E to be?

Besides, you can see that PCI-E 2.0 does not have any sort of negative impact on single-GPU. Since neither of us (or those other people testing) are NVIDIA engineers who designed SLI, we can't say with 100% certainty what exactly is going on, but every single piece of evidence points to b/w limitations and it's also consistent with the performance decrease with TAA - since it needs to transfer more data from one GPU to the other between frames when using AFR.

What are the "other options"? PCI-E fairy dust? I'm willing to listen, tell me what you believe to be another plausible option that would cause a performance decrease in situations where increased amounts of data need to be transferred between cards in SLI. Also keep in mind that the article you yourself have posted DOES in fact use PCI-E 3.0 x8 and x16 and STILL shows a 30% performance regression in a bandwidth-intensive situation. Are you claiming that bandwidth isn't the issue there either?

>>57624898
>higher clock speeds
Nope. It's much lower than Bulldozer
>lower power usage
Nope. It's still high as fuck
>What's the point of Zen anyway
None, it's all hype

>>57624898
the point is higher ipc and better single threaded performance. the highest consumer grade skus will be 8 cores. it will almost certainly be clocked lower than bulldozer and its derivatives, probably not much higher than 3ghz. it's pretty much the opposite of everything you said.

>>57624898
Lower power consumption, better single and multithread performance are basically everything. Its like asking why bother with a car newer than a model T or M. People with old shit want new, better shit, or are moving from a laptop to a PC, thus starting from scratch. what about USB3.1? M.2? You also fail to mention that besides "just bagging an FX" one must also acquire a compatible motherboard, if moving from Intel. So you're wrong on basically every count.
Zen is promising a moderate or low system at a very competitive price, thus forcing intel to drop prices in turn. It's already spurred on a "K" SKU i3.

>>57625010
>"K" SKU i3
sauce

>>57624295

>~$400 dollaroos for a sidegrade

thats what did it. i'd be fine spending it if it was a clear, decisive upgrade, but i can play my games at 1440p with my 980ti at 60fps, i just get antsy when i haven't upgraded recently.

maybe zen will be worth upgrading to, if not babylake will be.

>>57624898
>Lower power usage is fine but you pay in terms of lower clocks/fewer cores.

Lower power draw comes from the advancement in the lithography. It has nothing to do with the clock speed or the number of cores, at least in terms of Zen vs FX. Between the same line of processors of course more cores and higher clock speeds mean more power draw, but that's not where the improvements are coming from. They're not just turning down the FX chips clock speed and slapping a new label on it kek.

Zen will have single threaded performance much closer to what intel has put out the past generation or two, offering a budget alterative to intel's consumer line.

You need to read up on CPU benchmarks to get an idea for how pitiful FX single core performance is. Did you really think AMD was going to release a brand new chip that was worse than what they put out 5 years ago?

>>57625075

that's not a sidegrade. i went from an OC'ed 8370 to an OCed 2600k about a year ago and the difference was massive in >muh gaymes.

>>57624902
You can see from the graph that I posted here >>57624441 that a single Titan X(P) is not limited by the x8 connection in AoE.

You can see here >>57624420 that Titan X(P)s in SLI are not maxed out reducing to x8/x8 at 3x 4K (11,520x2106).

Why the fuck would adding TAA at 4K (3840x2160) cause a bandwidth limitation, even if you're still going back to the previous frame? (Total: 2x 4K)

The problem lies in the implementation of SLI/TAA

>>57625101

then why can i still get my desired eff pee ess off my 980ti? my junkrat AMD cpu can still pull weight

>>57625075
Yeah it's not worth it, I agree. I was just curious what changed your mind.

>>57625101
What games was the 8370 holding you back on? The only reason I didn't go with an FX chip back in the day was PCSX2 emulation.

Does it matter if I get a 32gb 2x16 set of ram vs 2 16gb 2x8 sets of ram?

thw 2x8 set is 90$, wheras the 2x16 set is 185$, so i'd save 5$ by just getting 2 of the 16gb.

>>57625043
i3-7350K. Pick your favorite source from your favorite search engine.

>>57625128

im a bit of an impulse buyer. i can spend $400 on some other shit that will get me more satisfaction than a few more FPS.

dishonored 2, pillars of eternity, star craft 2, witcher 3, and GTA V aren't red lining my rig at 1440p.

i'm sure i'll upgrade in 2017. i can feel it in my bones.

Any combos yet from fry's or newegg? Or heck even amazon these days?

I've been waiting all year for Black friday deals.

>>57625159
>unlocked i3
This is great news for everyone.

>>57625186

eh, nothing great

the days of 'epic, you'd be stupid not to jump on' black friday sales are over.

>>57625186
>combos
They always screw you on the combos by pairing the CPU you want with a mobo that isn't selling.

>>57625078
>. Did you really think AMD was going to release a brand new chip that was worse than what they put out 5 years ago?

well thats what they did in 2011

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Thoughts on this? I want to play newer games with decent settings. Would the psu included with the case be good enough? Im in Australia also

>>57625241
ya, like the msi gaymen 970, but hell if it wasn't worth it with the cpu it came with in a Fry's combo 3 years ago for $125.

>>57625119
>Total: 2x 4K
I really don't think you have sufficient information on how each specific TAA implementation works in order to determine what sort of b/w overhead it requires in SLI. We can safely say it will require SOME extra data to be transferred, but not how much. From this point on, all we have are experimental results. We don't know if TAA requires a full frame, or access to fuck knows what sort and how many buffers related to the previous frame and since TAA isn't some sort of standard anyway, it's probably safe to work with the assumption that there will be differences between implementations too. Talking about single-GPU doesn't matter much, because the issue does not exist there, even with TAA (it's all in local VRAM, all the time).

I also already mentioned, several times, that the issue doesn't happen in all situations or in all games or in all engines. Posting a game where it doesn't appear does nothing to invalidate the situations where it does happen. I'm sure you know SLI requires specific profiles for specific games, even for those which use the same engine more often than not. Not all games run the same way in AFR. The fact that it happens, SOMETIMES, at 4K surround without TAA only supports the idea that both high res itself and TAA hit upon some sort of bottleneck. Since increasing resolution obviously increases the amount of data required to be transferred and since TAA also does the same (once again because data relating to the previous frame is on a different card - but this isn't necessarily just limited to a fully rendered frame or to its size), the only plausible theory I (and others on various forums as you've seen) can see is running into some sort of b/w limit.

If the problem were exclusively with TAA & SLI, it wouldn't happen in Heaven with no TAA. If PCI-E b/w had nothing to do with it, x8/x8 wouldn't perform so much worse in Heaven.

>>57625186

>tfw you bought your mobo 3 years ago for $180 and it's currently selling for $187

i don't understand component pricing

>>57625227
It doesn't even matter. Non-k overclocking of skylake is the biggest news for overclockers since like sandy bridge and so few people take advantage of it. There are i5 6400s hitting like 4.7ghz and shit. You can get a z170 board to do it for $90 and you get all the benefits of that platform.

>>57625258
dont get the 460. pay the extra 50 or whatever it is and get a 470

>>57625286
I didn't realize that was still a thing. Is it possible to flash the newer mobos to the BIOS that previously allowed that? You're right thought, I've heard so little of that I figured it was a thing of the past.

>>57625283

>>57625261
Ditto. Refurbished stuff is sometimes more expensive then the new stuff.

>>57625315
Nope, still works fine. Just pick a motherboard that has a bios for it online or get one of the two ASrock boards that have a clock generator in them so they don't rely on the bios.

that big overclockers forum has a data sheet with all the overclocks. i3's get high as fuck too but the real bang for buck is the 6400

>>57625148
bumping this

What's the deal with RX 480 4g? Is it any good or should I look into a 1060?

Alternatively, should I just wait next year for the newer amd's/gtx's?

>>57625509
Both cards are good value despite what the fanboy faggots say.

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/weredrake/saved/TVdXLk

Hey guys, I am quite new to making a custom build so I was curious about a few things:
I heard that I shouldn't skimp on the PSU so I was curious if I should keep the 650W upgrade it to the 750W version?
Are there any notable issues with using old cases? The Xion on my list is one my father has that he doesn't really use anymore.
Is my cooler and case compatible? The site doesn't seem to know and Google has't been much help in that department.

Along with the Case, I already have a 2TB Western Digital HDD and a number of optical drives, so I should be fine in those areas.

>>57625627
Whoops, I forgot to mention that the PC will be used for rather intensive gaming. My current budget is up to about 1k.

The /sqt/ redirected me to this thread, I'd like to buy a desktop that would be good enough to handle using multiple adobe editing programs, would it be best to stick with Dell or Lenovo? It looks like Newegg has a decent amount of computers for $200-300 with 8gb of memory and 3ghz or higher processors.

>>57625690
Depends on how intensive your work is, but you may want an i7 with 16GB of RAM.

>>57625627
Get 3000MHz RAM
The old case might not have an SSD mount

>>57625509
Possibly wait for little Vega at this point if you want to go AMD. Depends on how badly you need a new card and what your current res is. If 1080p you can just get a 480/1060

>>57625355
>>57625286
>you get all the benefits of that platform.
No you don't, the BLCK OC method sucks balls. If you really want to OC just get an unlocked CPU and do it the right way.

..which is obviously why so few actually OC the BLCK

>>57625355
Cool. In that case the unlocked i3 is definitely a little redundant if one doesn't mind putting in the research to get the most out of the 6400. That's pretty insane value on the 6400 for $180.

>>57625627
Looks fine. Read the above if you're interested in possibly saving a few $ and know that you'll be overclocking. 650W is plenty for a 1060 and everything else there. That case is totally fine for what you are doing. Like above said, you might want an SSD caddy if there isn't a 2.5" drive holder. The 212 Evo should fit as that case is 8.3" wide, slightly over the 8" recommended minimum.

>>57625913
Looks like it's entirely board dependent. I thought the way you did until literally 20 minutes ago and pouring through some threads, unless all of these reports are lies.

>>57625940
Yeah, it's dependent as ASRock firmware. But I'm saying that the unofficial OC method, the BLCK method, sucks because you loose power states etc

>>57625916
>>57625883

Ah, you are right, it doesn't have a SSD mount, I will have to get one, Also, will this memory work as a suitable replacement?
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MYH48d/corsair-memory-cmk16gx4m2b3000c15

Thanks for the help, by the way.

anyone have experience with the new EVGA psus, G3? Been looking at a G2 one and was about to pull the trigger right around when G3 dropped. Is a $10 increase worth it?

550W, 80+ gold, full modular

>>57626067
Looks good senpai.

>>57625883
I know I'll have to take a video editing class at some point (though the school does have a lab where we can work on that sort of thing) but I would like to have a computer that would be good for 3-4 years. I've been using an HP m7640n for a decade or so and I'd like something more efficient. It can multitask programs like photoshop and indesign but it's bulky and slowed down considerably.

>>57626148
Alright, cool. Thanks for your help.

>>57620487
Will an i7 3770 bottleneck a gtx1070 for gaming? How long before I will have to replace it?

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Any of these combos good?

>>57626275
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>>57626302
Los Angeles.

>>57626275
The 6600k with the z170 mobo is good, most of the hard drives are good, everything else is meme tier.

>>57626275
that ssd deal is fantastic. $230-ish for a 1tb drive, let alone one of the best sata drives around? Sign me up. There's a Crucial MX 300 -750gb going for a $170 on a lot of websites though, I'd rather pick that up, seeing as how i'm personally rarely over 500gb. The only other decent 1tb ssd i see for cheap on pcpartpicker right now is a not-that-fast sandisk for $227.

>>57621879
It looks fine. Don't pay for Windows. Use KMSpico. Idk about your peripheral choice, but other peripherals cost nearly the same. If you can possibly use ethernet, it's worth it. Wifi sucks.

>>57626275
>FX6300 and mobo for $80
I wonder what this could be useful for.

>>57621879
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/njp323/gskill-memory-f43200c16d8grb
Cheaper and faster ram. It's blue though.

-Get a gtx 1070 at most for a 1080p monitor unless it's 144z. A 1080 is just pissing away money if you don't at least have a 1440p/60hz monitor.
-You probably don't need the wifi adapter. Ethernet is ALWAYS faster and more stable as long as your lan setup is modern.
-Get somebody good with tools to route a cheapo Ethernet cable for you and pay them with a lunch and a beer.
-If you DO need a wifi adapter, use a PCI / PCIE one. Usb wifi adapters have shit range. If you don't need the range, you don't need wifi.

>>57626255
Bump on this
Also, what parts of a prebuilt can be cannibalised into a build? The ram and hdds I assume are fine, but what about the psu/cpu cooler?

I'm moving to Japan next year. Would it be better to build in Canada or Japan? As far as parts prices go is it cheaper enough to cover the 100$ shipping to send it over the ocean?

For reference I'd prefer to build a zen system if it comes out before the end of February or an i5 system both would be in the 1000$ range.

>>57626777
Depends on the resolution you're running at and the title you're playing. At 1080p and lower resolutions you will become CPU bound with a 3770 vs a comparable Skylake sooner, but we're talking 10-20% difference off the pace of the maximum FPS in worst case scenarios.

Skylake made the jump from DDR3 to DDR4, so the RAM with a 3770 is not compatible with RAM needed for Z170 chipsets used with Skylake for example (unless it's DDR3L which I'm sure it most likely isn't.) CPU cooler can be reused as long as the mounting points are the same. Of course hard drives/optical drives can be as well.

>>57626971
Thanks for the info. I guess I'll bite the bullet and grab an i5 6600k to go in my build. I bought a monitor/computer combo that came with the 3770, so I guess I'll just take the hard drives and optical drive out of the prebuilt and move them over. Monitor is 27 inch 1080 60hz so not a bad deal.

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Dannerisms/saved/#view=22Bcf7
This look ok? Is there anything I could possibly switch out for black friday sale items?
Going with a 1080p monitor.
Using it for ffxiv, overwatch, and other less graphically challenging games. Also needs to be capable of running photoshop and illustrator and stuff like that.

>>57626275
What store is this?

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I'm a peasant who's started working recently and after watching a few videos on the Potato Masher build. I'm really interested in building a starter PC at a price of about 500-600 canadian dollars. I'm just kind of looking for one that's on par with the 8th generation consoles right now but allows me to upgrade when I feel it's needed in the future. Anybody know of any builds I should look at?

Pic related is the Potato Masher specs for anyone hasn't seen it before. I'm looking for something comparable to this. Sorry for being braindead and asking to be spoonfed

>>57627080
Fry's electronics.

>>57627071
-I recommend the cooler master 200r over the HAF simply because the HAF doesn't have usb 3.0 front ports.
-Don't buy a cooler as aggressive as the hyper 212 evo for a locked cpu. Get a cheapo $15 or under cooler or just use the acceptable stock cooler. Rosewill RCX-Z775-LP costs $13 and is quieter and cooler than stock intel heatsink. You really don't need anything more if you wont overclock.
-An i5-6500 can be found for $191 right now, I'd call that a 'black friday' deal. If you run lots of photoshop, having 2 extra cpu cores can be quite helpful. You might even want to drop your graphics card budget to increase your cpu budget.
-MSI rx 480 runs cooler and quieter and is $10 cheaper at the moment if you buy from B&H photo. They are a very good vendor in my experience. Also has a $20 rebate if you care about that.
-There are RX 470's on sale for $170. If your games aren't graphically challenging, this should run them just fine.
-Unless you think you need 16gb ram in the future, probably get a 2-stick kit of ram to use dual-channel memory.

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Hello /g/

This is my current build
>pic related

Im not very good at building my own PC so I want to ask a question.

What is the verdict on this rebuilt based...
>Price compared to its Parts
>Quality of Parts
>Quality over my current build
newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883230030&ignorebbr=1

>>57627172
Shit. Guess I'm not going to be able to participate in those sales.

>>57627031
That's cool man. Honestly if I were you I'm not sure I'd make that upgrade considering what your monitor is and the GPU you're considering. I suppose it depends on the games you play but I'd just crank up the resolution scaling using supersampling with the 1070 and see how far the 3770 will take you.

>>57627157
I've seen the potato masher and bunch of their benchmarks vs Ps4. To pull off a build like that you need LOTS of bargain hunting and research. You should probably know a lot about past generations of cpu's and such. You need to buy used parts for a potato masher.
Instead, I will give you, to the best of my ability, a fairly upgradable machine for $600 CAD. This list will beat the snot out of the potato masher. It features all new parts.
You might be able to save yourself the $30 on a case, and gut an old HP/Dell / whatever if you can manage to find one for free, possibly at a local dump, or pc salvage store. Sometimes those old "trash" pc's have perfectly working hard drives in them too.

http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/p6P84C

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>>57627318
Your current PC is better

>>57627157
You're going at this all wrong. The PS4 Pro has a GPU approximately equal to that of the RX470, which is a 170USD graphics card.

With a 'starter PC' you're looking for a platform that can be upgraded over time. The following is a minimum IMO
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/ZhnQ7P
It's probably like 700CDN

>>57627071
Drop cooler, use stock
Get a 240GB SSD

>>57627031
Fuck no, keep the i7. Pic related

>>57627332
alot is online.

>>57627318
That pc you linked is a trash can and nobody should buy it. Absolutely useless for your needs. Garbage cpu, garbage graphics card. Probably a garbage power supply and motherboard. The bundled keyboard and mouse look like cheap plastic shit. Yes it's technically an upgrade (provided that you swap in your gtx 950) but not very much of one.

Can anyone offer suggestions to improve this build price/performance-wise?
>http://pcpartpicker.com/list/pt4ZzM
I'm trying to keep it under $800, and plan to use it for light gaming (FFXIV), watching movies/anime, browsing the web and photo-editing.

Also I'd appreciate if anyone could help me choose an appropriate monitor from the ones I'm currently looking at, or suggesting one that's sub-$190 that is 21"-25", 1920 x 1080, has a 60 or 144Hz refresh rate, <5 ms response, IPS or TN panel, is preferably matte and with thin bezels.
Here are the ones I'm considering:
>144Hz
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1073477-REG/acer_um_fg6aa_b01_gn246hl_bbid_24_3d_ready.html
>60Hz
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00UFCVKI4
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B014X4U5QM
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0148NNKTC
https://www.amazon.com/AOC-i2367Fh-23-Inch-Frameless-LED-Lit/dp/B009V8F700

>>57627455
Thank you. If Im going to upgrade, I want to do it right. My only problem is budget.

I need to upgrade all over the place, but I only have $500 max, not a penny more.

and I basically need a new CPU, Motherboard, RAM, OS...

My Case is decent, my PSU is already great, I have 3rd Party Speakers, Good GPU, and a Stable Monitor, Good Keyboard, and a Good Mouse.

>>57627318
God, that is such shit.

I don't know why cyberpower keeps pushing that stuff.

Here, spend 30 bucks more for something much more substantial.

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/xsxxbj

>>57627318
>>57627495
Or, if you want to go even cheaper than that shitty newegg prebuilt.


http://pcpartpicker.com/list/4ZvDkT

>>57627471
ditch the wifi adapter. Windows 10 is only $70 right now. If you hate win 10's privacy invasion, just know they're fully capable of spying on you in windows 8 as well. Get a cheaper hard disk drive. The power supply is great and I wouldn't change it, but an Evga el cheapo unit will suit you fine. You COULD ditch the ssd.

>>57627495
>>57627504

Wow...these would be so much better. Both I can take off the PSU and GPU and save even more and be able to upgrade my OS.

I currently have an Antec 750W PSU, and I just got my GTX950 GPU last month because my old GTX465 died.

this is the current Case Im using, and its been working well for these last 6 years.

>>57627423
I read that even normally it's hard to buy online, not to mention limited stock.I guess I'll give it a try.

>>57627384
>>57627417
Alright, you guys convinced me. Changing cpu isn't too difficult anyway. Honestly feel a lot better about spending the money now lol

>>57620728
cut off ac97 its legacy shit thats not needed

>>57627533
I'll need the adapter since I don't have an Ethernet port/jack anywhere close to my comp. The closest one is at least ~30 feet from where I'd be putting the computer.
Isn't 10's privacy invasion more, for lack of a better word, invasive than 7 or 8's? Since I need some form of Windows for gaming, is there one that's the least invasive?
I might ditch the ssd, since I've lived without one just fine up until now.

>>57627495
>>57627544
>>57627504

How does this feel?

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/RxjRgL

>>57627618
Yeah, it's more invasive than windows 7 or 8, but if you use google chrome, internet explorer, or firefox for a web browser, your entire browsing history is already being tracked by advertising companies and the government. Your privacy is already compromised. Might as well enjoy the benefits of the most modern OS.
As to the ethernet thing, 30 feet doesn't sound difficult at all. You can probably snake it through the wall or under the floor if you find somebody good with tools and spend a half hour with a drill.

>>57627544
http://pcpartpicker.com/list/3ZDQf8

>>57627694
>http://pcpartpicker.com/list/RxjRgL
That 950 is outdated man.
The 1050 is better, or the 1050ti which is currently at the same price of that 950.

And don't get an ATX case when you have a micro atx mobo, it doesn't look good when you crack it open at all.

>>57627745
I like my 950...I just bought it last month for a good deal after my old GPU died.

>>57627593
Really not sure wtf you mean m8, reread our comments. Keep the i7, and btw the 3770 and 6600K have different sockets

>>57627762
Whatever man, if you already have the card, then go with it.

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/rsCZzM
is this any good? I'm waiting on Black Friday/Cyber Monday and hoping for some deals on a lot of these parts.

>>57627802
are there any decent cheap 1155 socket mobos that wont bottle a 1070?

Is there any point in waiting for BF/CM deals, if the parts I want are already within my budget and waiting runs the risk of them being sold out?

>>57627846
Why do you have a 6600 instead of a 6600k? the 6600k is on sale for $212 right now. I bought mine for $230, so i'd say that's a pretty damn good deal.
-Do you really need windows 10 pro? Home is only $80 right now.
-MSI gtx 1060 Gaming X is only $5 more, and if you get it at B&H photo has a $15 rebate attached. Better cooler, higher clocks. Looks sexy.
-EVGA GQ 650 watts gold semi modular power supply is on sale for $70, might as well get that, or drop down a price tier for the power supply. It's 9.4/10 on johnnyguru.
-If you don't need speakers, you can get monitors for waaaaaay cheaper with the same specs. Monitor speakers are usually shit anyway.

>>57627881
Thought you already had one. What's in the prebuilt? You need to explain more. If you don't already have mobo+DDR3, sell the i7 3770 and buy the Skylake i5 + mobo + RAM.

If you have a shitty PSU in the prebuilt you can just get a 1050Ti model without PCIe power connectors

>>57627933
Any recommendation for the monitor and power supply? Thanks for the rec on the MSI and 6600k. I've just been picking stuff off of logicalincrements.

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>>57627971
I'm using the prebuilt right now. Are you suggesting I move the mobo, ram and cpu into a new case with a 1070? Would that work? Here's the speccy screencap

>>57628024
Just use pcpartpicker's filter. Select 1920x1080, probably your desired screen size, any other important features like response time or whatever, sort from low to high.
as for power supply, I estimate you'll never really use more than 450 watts on that system. I say go with a 500w just for breathing room.
-Do you not need / care about modularity and want something cheap? EVGA 600B bronze rated is $50 right now.
-Do you need modular but not care if the cables are ugly "ketchup and mustard" color? Seasonic G 550w is $60 right now. looks like newegg has a rebate on it too.
-Do you need "muh sexy black cables"? get the aformentioned evga 650 GQ 650 watt or Seasonic 520w M12ii for $70

Does a gtx 1060 6gb work with a i3 6100? Don't know my stuff about PC's but I hear the word bottleneck a lot.

>>57628230
Yeah it works.

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I need a pc now (I currently don't have one), but I'm worried that Zen will be so much better than current gen. What to do?

>>57628195
Thanks, anon! Saved me a cool 10-20 bucks right there.

>>57628250
zen won't be incredibly better than anything on the market, go for it.

>>57628041
Without knowing the model number I can't tell you much more. If there is a special / nonstandard connection between the mobo and the PSU each is basically unusable without the other. If the PSU does not have PCIe power connectors, it is unsuitable for the 1070. Therefore the motherboard could be a loss as well.

You might consider buying another 4GB of RAM at the same MHz (1600MHz) and a 1050Ti, which does not require a PCIe power connector from the PSU. (It draws all its power through the mobo.) The 1050Ti is the most powerful card without a 6-pin PCIe power connector.

If you don't want to do that I'd suggest just selling the PC as a whole or possibly piecemeal and picking your own components for a build based around the 1070.

Is a 1440p 144hz monitor also good for 1080p? Having the possibility to upgrade would be nice but right now I just want a 1080p setup. Also would like recs for the above and for a monitor that's adjustable up and down.

>>57628294
>is a 1440p monitor good for 1080p
Nigger what?

>>57628250
Get this build
https://pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/V9hMpg
Upgrade to an unlocked Kaby Lake or even Skylake i7 after they're cheap

>>57628250
There are vague rumors that the first zen desktop cpu will be available January 17th. Very vague, unconfirmed rumors. That is the earliest possible we can hope for. However, not only is zen hotly anticipated and will be in high demand, supply of "shelf-ready" product will probably be extremely low at first. I'm guessing it won't be well into March until you can buy a zen cpu without paying a scalper's price.
Skylake is known to be good, especially for gaming. You have to decide for yourself whether you want to wait until March or not for a new pc. Black Friday deals are already rolling out. i5-6500 for $191, 6600k for $212. i3-6100 for a measly $105. Now is a damn good time to buy a skylake cpu.

>>57628311
Won't there be better prices in a few days? (black friday, cyber monday)

>>57628294
>is a 1440p monitor good for 1080p
what did he mean by this?

are all powerswitch connectors the same for newer and older motherboards? like if i get a new motherboard for an old oem dell or acer case? i want to repurpose some junk for fun and experience.

Palit geforce gtx jetstream 1070 is one of the more cheaper 1070s I can find at the moment should I go get it?

Quick question, if i want to do "1440p 144Hz" for games like Overwatch, CS:GO, new Unreal Torunament and wil settle for 60 FPS in Witcher and newest single player games, is i5 6600K and GTX 1070 enough?

>>57629398
Yes

Quick question: if I were to buy an HGST HDD (2 GB) what would be the best place to buy it?

I know very little about PC building. Is it true that on of the cons of AMD processors is the poor adaptability from version to version (have to get new MOBO for new processors, etc)?

>>57629795
No, AMD is way better than Intel about sticking to a socket and allowing BIOS updates to old mobos

>>57629811
Will Kaby lake use a new platform or can I upgrade my 6600k?

>>57629970
Upgrade, i7 7700K obviously

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/6ZBzFd

I build my last PC 6 years ago. Is there anything I'm missing? Something I can make better? Price isn't really a problem.

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If my case can mount 3.5 and 2.5 hdd it can also mount ssds right?
Heres the case
http://www.lian-li.com/en/dt_portfolio/pc-60fnw/

>>57630242
SATA SSDs are 2.5
They have the same screw holes as HDDs.

>>57630331
Thanks lad

>>57630103
>PG278Q 27.0" 144Hz Monitor
I have this monitor and I like it, but there's a newer,better PG279Q (mainly IPS).
PG278Q is (imho) not good enough for movies.

The CPU/Mobo is completely overkill.
The AIO cooler is underkill.

>>57621240
Expensive, but good
>>57621451
>moderate gaming
>1080

would a 2.5 be more silent than 3.5? is it wise to use them in desktop, seems that it being smaller leads to more faulty ones than big 3.5s

>>57630417
I wouldn't say its wise at all.
2.5 is really just for laptop. They break faster and are slower.
Get SSD if you want silence.

>>57629762
>HGST HDD (2 GB) what would be the best place to buy it?

past.

>>57630417
they are as loud as 3.5
ssd is for silent system drive

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>mfw waiting for a proper rx480 paid off
>mfw i got the msi version
>mfw shit never goes over 63c under load

>>57629762
get 3tb instead it's like $15 difference for 1tb more

>>57630605
Yeah, I got that card last year as well. It's called 390 though and is Sapphire.

What cheap old xeon would be worth buying?

to pare with a 1070?

http://pcpartpicker.com/list/Y27XYr
>i3 with z170 board
I dont have the money for a 6600k right now, got the z170 so i can upgrade later
>spending extra for case and ram
I want that aesthetic senpai

>>57621353
https://m.newegg.com/Product/index?itemnumber=9SIA4UM2YU0754

Excellent and highly reliable for the price. Cons: loud as fuck, slow spin up time gives terrible response from sleep state, goharddrive is known for selling used drives.

>>57631132
can't you simply check it with smart how long it was in use and then return it?

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/3tb-hgst-0s03661-deskstar-nas-24x7-use-35-hdd-sata-iii-6gb-s-7200rpm-64mb-cache-8ms-ncq

I got this one recently, did I overpay?
It's silent though, WD Black form 2011 is loud as hell in comparison.

>>57623130
>>57623239
Spread method is technically better, but the difference in temperature is negligible. However, depending on the paste you get, the dot method isn't always viable. Pretty much anything carbon based will not spread completely on its own.

>>57623522
Everything looks fine.
>SanDisk ultra II 480gb
Mah nigga. Got the same drive. Far cry from the best, but it's good for the price. Had issues with it randomly losing connection for no reason when I first got it. But I'm attributing that to the shitty DX58SO motherboard I was using it with initially.

Is it still worth building a machine with the spare celeron g1610t I have lying on my desk?

Was thinking cheapest motherboard, ~350-400w PSU, some small case with 6+ 3.5" slots and using it as a backup/file server.

Anywhere good to scout for "old" hardware in the UK? Most websites don't list 1155 motherboards anymore.

>>57626275
I don't see this ad. Is it over already?

>>57631326
Do you have any older residents in your residential area? It could well be worth checking a local buy swap and trade site that probably exists on facebook somewhere, since from what i've seen most towns have them. If that fails, you can stick an ad in your local supermarkets notice board or something and see what comes up.

I know these aren't the best methods, but i'm not familiar with UK tech stores so i just thought it'd be ok to offer an alternative, since people waste electronics stupidly and you could probably build a server PC out of what you find.

You think Samsung ssd prices are going to go down from the phone scandal I want that fast as fuck m.2 950 pro breh

>>57631428
Yeah I'd definitely consider used parts if I can find them locally. I just think it's a waste to have a perfectly good CPU lying around. I need more storage anyway and I could probably build a basic PC around this CPU for less than £120 which is cheaper than most 4 bay NAS devices.

>>57631450
Definitely. Whenever I hunt around for spare parts in my local towns (Rural Ausfag, so that generally means within the next 50KM) I always look back to that one science team that built a supercomputer by stripping and repurposing old Playstation 3's either through used gaming dealers or by putting out ads.

I've got a computer here i've nicknamed "Zombie" since the most recent of the parts in the case was built in 2004, the case is second hand scrap from an old prebuilt and it still runs perfectly fine as a static backup and streaming server, despite being rebuilt damn near 8 or 9 times over this year alone.

>>57631496
>tfw my old college gutted their IT department
>offer to buy almost anything off them
>not allowed to sell because muh liability

It's fucking disgusting mang. No doubt a lot of enterprise IT departments have a similar policy. They'd rather chuck everything into a fucking landfill than receive money to repurpose old equipment.

I even offered to have something written up to promise that I won't fucking sue them if one of the machines goes up in smoke.

>>57624090
Rx 470 at 1350core and 1800mem ran overwatch ultra 1080p@120 for me. Using an e5-1650 v2 at 4.4ghz. Your 1060 6gb should have zero issues. Could probably run it on epic settings.

>>57630605
Msi has by far the best cooling solution for the rx 400 lineup. Though I'm not sure if they're actually cooling the vrms with the heatsink or not. Xfx gtr will get the same Temps with low noise given adequate airflow. If noise isn't a concern just run the fans at 90+%. My gtr black edition runs stock at ~65c when I turn my two gentle typhoon intake fans up to max. Because of the shitty case design they make more noise than anything else in my system.

>>57631209
I assume you can, I got a pair of 7k4000s from them and I had to actually format the drives. iff youu gett aa retail 7k3000/4000 theydd runn in the 150-250$ rangeI thatss pretty par pricingg forR aa desktar.t nott sure on the deskstar, but nice thingg about the 7k series is that it uses 4 platters and gets great 4k performance. This is also why theyre so damn loud. Just check userbenchmark. It lets you look up just about any component and do comparisons.

>>57631524
God forbid they used all that gear and investment for testing and teaching.

>>57631524
Christ, that really sucks. Back in High School, Our IT guys were a really chill lot, and since our school had implemented a student computer contract we all got a Macbook Pro(I'm actually still using mine, it's lasted well). But i got to know those guys really well and some of the stupid shit they had to deal with was unreal, Like when a keyboard was busted, he wasn't allowed to actually repair it with one of the many many other still functioning keyboards from other scrapped/repaired laptops, he had to actually throw the damaged part and wait for a licensed tech to come and replace it.

I sometimes think that if i started up a small repairs business in my town that it would at least make a dent here.

>>57631539
They're likely going to just trash the systems they replaced. Kind of surprised they wouldn't sell any of it. Local college where I live will sell old systems they replace for next to nothing. You just get limited to one. They want to make sure people who need them are buying rather than resellers.

>>57621307
Get a in 6500k instead of i7, Cooler Master hyper 212 Evo instead of that noctua could cooler and use the money for a better ssd

>>57631566
>Like when a keyboard was busted, he wasn't allowed to actually repair it with one of the many many other still functioning keyboards from other scrapped/repaired laptops, he had to actually throw the damaged part and wait for a licensed tech to come and replace it.

Yup I've heard similar stories. I was also told a lot of companies that buy servers use them until the on-site warranty expires then buy new models and throw the old shit out.

>57631589
Bunch of assholes. If they're worried about sellers then maybe they should fucking sell it properly themselves.

Justify buying an i7 6700k instead of a i5 6600k for gaming

Justify buying an gtx 1080 instead of a gtx 1070

Justify SLI or Crossfire

Justify having more than 16GB ram

Justify buying a bigger case even if your new motherboard fits

Justify buying a 1000W or 850W or 650W PSU when a 550W PSU can run SLI + 8 HDD + i7 skylake on OC

Justify not owning a Logitech G15 Keyboard

>>57623990
480 is better, believe me you are going to regret that 1060 soon after you get it

>>57624040
Get a rx460 its way better than any of that shit

>>57631799
raisins

>>57627745
Just get a RX470, you wont reget the small bump in the price considering the RX 470 is the best price to performance on the market right now

>>57627762
>Buying a 950
>in almost 2017
the 460, 1050, and 470 are all far better deals than the 950 why did you even do that?

>>57631758

I don't own a G15 because i couldn't be arsed with the very slight latency the keyboard has alongside needing to change out the batteries every few weeks. Got a G510 instead, much happier with it.

SLI and Crossfire and basically required for many higher-end video processing tasks, especially in situations where multiple screens are needed, such as if you needed to, Such as running Design and editing software on one and a Playback on the other for realtime feedback on your work, Or running a multiple-station LAN computer.

more than 16GB of RAM applies to the above, and while not recomended for gaming use is definitely a MUST if you need to do high-end video processing and audio processing, as they both eat up ram like nothing else.

everything else is fair though, though personally i'm getting the i7 6700K simply for the raw oomph i can pump out of it OC'd.

>>57631758
>Justify buying an i7 6700k instead of a i5 6600k for gaming
Streaming, high CPU games, future proofing
>Justify buying an gtx 1080 instead of a gtx 1070
1440p 144Hz
>Justify SLI or Crossfire
CAD
>Justify having more than 16GB ram
VM's, rendering, CAD, etc.
>Justify buying a bigger case even if your new motherboard fits
Looks better, silent case, more room
>Justify buying a 1000W or 850W or 650W PSU when a 550W PSU can run SLI + 8 HDD + i7 skylake on OC
I heard those are extremely cheap at some places
>Justify not owning a Logitech G15 Keyboard
It's over-priced gaymur trash.

>>57631915
Why did you read my post from bottom to top

>>57631758
>Justify buying an i7 6700k instead of a i5 6600k for gaming
Cant, i7 is more or less for rendering shit

>Justify buying an gtx 1080 instead of a gtx 1070
Again i cant, i cant justify buying anything nvidia after seeing the lack of proper maxwell and kepler support as opposed to the massive amounts of support AMD gives to GCN 1, which launched 5 years ago

>Justify SLI or Crossfire
SLI is primitive and XDMA Crossfire is better than the current SLI that has remained unchanged in 11 years, but XDMA Crossfire still is far from perfect

>Justify having more than 16GB ram
Rendering

>Justify buying a bigger case even if your new motherboard fits
In case you want to buy more shit or expand in the future, a good case is the most future proof part of a computer

>Justify buying a 1000W or 850W or 650W PSU when a 550W PSU can run SLI + 8 HDD + i7 skylake on OC
Expansion or more or less just peace of mind, higher power rated PSUs can handle all that shit with alot of headroom

>Justify not owning a Logitech G15 Keyboard
Logitech makes good mice, not keyboards

>>57631933
Cuz why not?
I'm Australian, so let's just say we're in a land down under.

>>57631808
>5$
wew what a massive difference, besides the GPU i have costed 3 times more than any 1060 or 480 when i bought it, im just stating the fact that nvidias support for their last 3 architectures has been lackluster compared to amds support

Question, With the Gigabyte GA-Z170 HD3 Motherboard, Does it actually support DDR4-3000 RAM? What sources i've seen don't say it does, but i've also seen lots of builds with it included so i'm unsure of what to think.

>>57632041
Go to the fucking Gigabyte website and read it yourself, faggot.

>>57632106
I did fucklord but apparently everyone still uses it despite the mobo still not supporting it.

Trying to get advice from people who've gotten it or used it, not shitlords who can't even read a post properly.

>>57632135
>shitlord
>>>/r/eddit you cancerous retard.

>>57632207
Unironically kys faggot.

>>57632227
>special snowflake got triggered
TOPKEK. Go blog about it, retard.

>>57620578
It'll be worse, yes but the only thing that can justify ZEN is if they price it up to 300 bucks and no more. Serioisly no one who buys high end for muh gaymen will go for a CPU with lower IPC, clock speed and overall single core performance.

>>57632768
>ZEN
maybe if u like MEN

>>57632261
>>57632261
>>57632261

>>57631445
Is there one OTHER than the exploding Note 7's?