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Previously >>57315924

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Friends:
>>>/t/707928 - /t/'s GNU/Linux Games
>>>/t/713097 - /t/'s GNU/Linux Training Videos
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What distro does she use
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>>57329712
Probably Red Hat to go with her red shirt.
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install gentoo
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>>57329721
That's a funny looking shirt
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>>57329712
suse
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>>57329758
>image.jpg
go back to plebbit
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>>57329769
i've been purposely renaming images to image.jpg just to trigger your autism <:^)

trolled u
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>>57329708
First for Slackware
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>SJWbian drops PowerPC support
What do SJWs have against PowerPC now?
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>>57329712
alias sex "updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep"
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>>57329792
womyn does not possess power.
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>>57329802
Error: This command has to be run under the root user.
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>sister's old T430si from uni running slow as shit
>install Mint on it
>much more responsive
>only thing she doesn't have is some old games, but she barely plays them anymore

God bless Linux for saving old hardware.

>>57329802

Thank you for bringing back memories of Meet'n'Fuck.
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>>57329787
thats the arch logo retard
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15th for ubuntu
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1st for social justice XDDD
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holy shit guys what the fuck
you told me to install arch but nothing works
fuck you
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>>57329922
the madman actually did it
L O L


on a serious note, what broke
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>>57329922
>newbie
>installs Arch
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>>57329901
no, yes, yes, yes
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>>57329922
Neither Arch nor its derivatives are for beginners.
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>>57329922
>falling for the arch meme
>listening to 4chan
Get a real distro.
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>>57329901
>STUT

What did she mean by this?
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>>57329922
>arch
your fault
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>>57329947
>arch meme
Ur mum is a meme :DD
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Archeschoolkid
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Daily reminder that Women matter.
http://archwomen.org/
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>>57329977
do you think if you post it enough it will come true?
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>>57329960

THICCCCC
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>>57329977
Did u fix the bug? :DD
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can someone post the arch logo but it's a fat man
i just need a cheer up
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>>57329993
Sorry, women are no sex objects
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what's the fastest update method/package manager.

dnf and apt-get seem about the same to me except dnf some some dump reason has to redraw the repos three times after a clean all for upgrade, search and info
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Archlinux is made by incompetent weeb devs.
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>>57329960

them some egg-ass heads

makes sense
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>>57330024
pacman

See https://fusion809.github.io/comparison-of-package-managers/
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>>57330034
>SJWs getting triggered by anime
Text book
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>>57329941
Arch is for beginners who want to learn Linux and CLI. It has no other real uses.
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>>57330009
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>>57330035
this also works thank you <3
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>>57330049
>Arch is for beginners
Yeah, the person he replied to sure fell for your FUD
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>>57330062
it obviously is, see: all the edgy kids using it and asking in this thread for help like
>/fglt/ how do i install screenfetch? Im using arch if it matters xD
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>>57330058
godsend anon
may nice things happen in your life
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>>57330080
>>/fglt/ how do i install screenfetch? Im using arch if it matters xD
I know for a fact that you are the one posted that
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>>57329712
>>57329758
whore
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>Mozilla
>Debian
What next, /g/?
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guyzz how can I install atom?
using debian if that matters XDDDDD

pic related, it's me 0.0
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>>57330139
Oh i forgot the pic :DDD XPXPXP
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Why aren't you using Wayland? Do you really like wierd video artifacts and god-awful animation performance? Don't you like having gestures for your touchpad and a responsive touchscreen? These things are not just for Apple products, ya know?
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>>57330253
1. Wyalnd requires systemd, which is large, ineficient, and a security risk.
2. X with an OpenGL compositor is just as good
3. If you have wayland, you are still going to have to run 90% of your programs on X through Xwayland.
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The following extra packages will be installed:
adwaita-icon-theme aspell aspell-en at-spi2-core colord colord-data dconf-gsettings-backend dconf-service enchant fonts-dejavu fonts-dejavu-extra gedit-common
geoclue-2.0 gir1.2-atk-1.0 gir1.2-freedesktop gir1.2-gdkpixbuf-2.0 gir1.2-glib-2.0 gir1.2-gtk-3.0 gir1.2-pango-1.0 gir1.2-peas-1.0 glib-networking
glib-networking-common glib-networking-services gnome-icon-theme gnome-icon-theme-symbolic gnome-user-guide gsettings-desktop-schemas gstreamer1.0-plugins-base
gstreamer1.0-plugins-good gstreamer1.0-x hunspell-en-us libaa1 libaspell15 libatk-bridge2.0-0 libatspi2.0-0 libavc1394-0 libcaca0 libcairo-gobject2
libcanberra-gtk3-0 libcanberra-gtk3-module libcdparanoia0 libcolord2 libcolorhug2 libcroco3 libdconf1 libdv4 libenchant1c2a libexif12 libflac8 libgirepository-1.0-1
libglu1-mesa libgphoto2-6 libgphoto2-l10n libgphoto2-port10 libgstreamer-plugins-base1.0-0 libgstreamer1.0-0 libgtk-3-0 libgtk-3-bin libgtk-3-common
libgtksourceview-3.0-1 libgtksourceview-3.0-common libgudev-1.0-0 libgusb2 libharfbuzz-icu0 libhunspell-1.3-0 libiec61883-0 libieee1284-3 libjack-jackd2-0
libjavascriptcoregtk-3.0-0 libjim0.75 libjson-glib-1.0-0 libjson-glib-1.0-common libmbim-glib4 libmbim-proxy libmm-glib0 libnotify4 libopus0 liborc-0.4-0
libpam-systemd libpangoxft-1.0-0 libpeas-1.0-0 libpeas-common libpolkit-agent-1-0 libpolkit-backend-1-0 libpolkit-gobject-1-0 libproxy1 libpython3.4 libqmi-glib1
libqmi-proxy libraw1394-11 librest-0.7-0 librsvg2-2 librsvg2-common libsamplerate0 libsane libsane-common libsane-extras libsane-extras-common libsecret-1-0
libsecret-common libshout3 libsoup-gnome2.4-1 libsoup2.4-1 libspeex1 libtag1-vanilla libtag1c2a libtheora0 libv4l-0 libv4lconvert0 libvisual-0.4-0
libvisual-0.4-plugins libvorbisenc2 libwavpack1 libwayland-client0 libwayland-cursor0 libwebkitgtk-3.0-0 libwebkitgtk-3.0-common libxkbcommon0 libyelp0...

So.... I just tried to install gedit. wtf?
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>>57330253
>Why aren't you using Wayland?
is there an equivalent for openbox+tint2 yet?
>Do you really like wierd video artifacts and god-awful animation performance?
i don't use a compositor, i don't want my windows to "animate"
>Don't you like having gestures for your touchpad
keyboard shortcuts are faster and more accurate
>and a responsive touchscreen?
>touching your screen
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>>57330253
>Why aren't you using Wayland?
1. Clipboard doesn't work
2. Screenshooter doesn't work
3. I don't like GNOME

>>57330257
>>57330272
Fuck off SJW
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>>57330286
What DE / WM are you running?
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Is just me or are these threads getting shitter and shitter?
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>>57330307
I'm running headless and was planning on just forwarding x11.

It worked with geany. Only two packages. Anyone have a notepad like program that doesn't have a million dependencies? I would use nano/vim, but I kinda like being able to copy with ctrl+a and ctrl+c
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>>57330329
notepadqq
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>>57330313
it's probably like 1-3 people fighting
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lmao, I'm new to GNU/Linux but I have had no problems whatsoever with Arch, neither installaton nor using it. You guys shilling against it are seriously mentally impaired
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>>57330338
Apparently not available on debian. I'm checking out leafpad atm
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>>57330362
lmao, I'm new to GNU/Linux but I have had no problems whatsoever with Gentoo, neither installaton nor using it. You guys shilling against it are seriously mentally impaired
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>>57330362
Just Debian shills, ignore
>>57330338
>Debian
Why do you have to use stupid disros like debian? Get ubuntu or antergos. These have the MOST software supports
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>>57330379
gentoo is arguably tougher but the Arch installation takes less than an hour...
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>>57330281
>1. Wyalnd requires systemd, which is large, ineficient, and a security risk.
Incorrect, systemd is objectively good.

2. X with an OpenGL compositor is just as good
Also extremely incorrect, there is so much overhead with X that it's much less efficient performance wise than Wayland

>3. If you have wayland, you are still going to have to run 90% of your programs on X through Xwayland.

Like with anything in Linux, it all depends on what apps you choose to use. I'm sticking within the Gnome walled garden and so far none of my applications need to use X. I was using Chromium until I realized I'd be better off with Epiphany.

>>57330294
is there an equivalent for openbox+tint2 yet?

Isn't openbox dead on the development side?
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>>57330390
I'm assuming that >Debian is for me?

I need a stable OS for my server.

Pic related would be 2 months, but I don't have a UPS. Was really mad when it happened
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>>57330375
>debian
>hundred of bloat dependancies
No wonder

See>>57330390
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>>57330422
Ubuntu on server
Arch on desktop
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>>57330423
Arch is more bloated than Debian since Debian does package splitting but Arch throws everything into a single package.

Enjoy your bloat.
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>>57330442
That didn't help, apperently. See >>57330286
and picture

BTFO
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>>57330441
>ubuntu on server
lmao no
Although that terminal is looking pretty good. How'd you get that?
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>>57330402
>Incorrect, systemd is objectively good.
See attached picture.
>Also extremely incorrect, there is so much overhead with X that it's much less efficient performance wise than Wayland
Maybe wayland is more efficient, but what I meant was that X with an opengl compositor is just as smooth and responsive as wayland. Also the overhead isn't that high, embedded devices can run X easily. And their are some implemetations of X that run on arduinos.
>Like with anything in Linux, it all depends on what apps you choose to use. I'm sticking within the Gnome walled garden and so far none of my applications need to use X. I was using Chromium until I realized I'd be better off with Epiphany.
But then you have a limited selection of programs and are stuck in an ecosystem. That's even worse than Mac OSX because atleast there you have some alternatives to the default apps.
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>>57330462
Your picture clearly shows that you don't understand the basics of package management. Also:

>It has never been a minimalist distribution. Splitting packages is rare
>compared to other distributions, and dependencies aren't made optional
>whenever possible.


>Arch has *never* been minimalist... a Linux kernel with every module
>available and every feature enabled at least when there's no non-bloat
>related cost, feature-packed/complex GNU tools, nearly all optional
>features enabled across all the packages, etc.

>Community memes don't define the distribution, technical choices by the
>developers do. It's clearly not based on what you say it is, and *never*
>has been. It has always used significantly more disk space and a
>measurable amount of additional memory than Debian and especially Gentoo
>as a consequence of keeping things simple (again, from a development
>perspective).

t. arch dev
https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/2015-July/039443.html
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>>57330462
>dep
>sug
git gud
>>57330464
just copy his colours into literally any terminal emulator.
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>>57330499
What are his colors brah?
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>>57330505
ask gcolour2, not me
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>>57330497
>Your picture clearly shows that you don't understand the basics of package management.
Cool blog, where do I subscribe? SJW mailing list?

>>57330499
>count dep:
>40+
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>>57330497
>cuck'd by the own devs
topkek
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>>57330508
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>>57330494
Pic is pure conjecture, source is still open for anyone to view
>evidence discard

>but what I meant was that X with an opengl compositor is just as smooth
I'm sure you know objectively it isn't but if you think that the average person wouldn't notice a difference in subjective experience, I suggest you actually use Wayland and see for yourself.

>But then you have a limited selection of programs and are stuck in an ecosystem.
This is an issue but that's an issue just for now, eventually Wayland will be standard for everything being actively developed, I'm just hopping on the bleeding edge stop and enjoying it now. And really, Gnome 3's applications are quite nice.
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>>57330534
>>>count dep:
>>40+
package splitting is a thing
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>>57330009
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you're all shitting on Arch just like in every /fglt/ but, seriously, tell me which other distro I should use if I want bleeding edge software
> *buntu
way too much preinstalled shit (including proprietary amazon software)
had massive trouble exchanging the DE in the past
> gentoo
tough to install and set up correctly afaik
don't know about its package manager...
> debian testing
> antergos
might give those a try, unsure about cutting edge software though
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>>57330606
>tough to install and set up correctly afaik
Shits easier to setup than Arch.
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>>57330606
Debian Sid ofc.
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>>57330621
Welcome senpai

>>57330581
what distro do you prefer then?
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>>57330606
>testing
Common error to use testing. Debian Sid (unstable) is for the normal desktop user, Debian stable is for complete beginners or servers. https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-choosing.en.html
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>>57330606
debian sid is rather nice to use imo.
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>>57330629
>>57330678
Debian testing has NO security advisory
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>>57330685
sid =! testing
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>>57330494


First off, systemd is not an init system, it has an init system as part of the systemd suite. systemd is a project to build a standardised lowlevel userland for Linux. The project is pretty comprehensive and it delivers a lot of functionality under one umbrella. It does away with a lot of older, often undermaintained software packages, which were traditionally used to assemble a low level userland.

Which is where the contention comes from, as a system suite systemd is restrictive for Unix virtuosi who are used to tailor a system with wit, ingenuity, a lick and a prayer and a couple dozen of unrelated packages. systemd makes such knowledge useless.

The faction that thinks that systemd is Linux's Hiroshima, finds all the added functionality bloat, unnecessary and dangerous, as it is all under development in one project.

All the systemd jokes stem from the comprehensiveness as a low level system suite. People against it love to joke that one day systemd will write its own kernel.

There is a lot of FUD and hate going around. Some arguments do have merit, a lot of eggs in one basket is certainly true, but as with all things in life, it depends which tradeoff you prefer. Do you want a suite of well designed software, working closely together, so that system management is streamlined or do you want the complete freedom to tailor your own low level system with a lot of time tested, interchangeable components.

I have no desire to be a low level system designer, so I prefer systemd. I don't hate traditional init systems though. If a Linux system has one and I need to work with it, I'm still happy it boots and starts the necessary services.
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>>57330700
sid = garbage
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>>57330548
>Pic is pure conjecture, source is still open for anyone to view
Yeah but you don't think it's suspicious that a company with strong ties to the US government is trying to push systemd after the NSA failed to put backdoors in the kernel. Also there no reason why wayland should be systemd dependent, while X can run with or without systemd.
>I suggest you actually use Wayland and see for yourself.
But I have tried wayland a couple of weeks ago and It wasn't any different than my non-wayland KDE desktop, except my X programs had no compositing and teared like fuck.
>eventually Wayland will be standard for everything being actively developed,
No it won't because there are already so many programs developed in X and wont port over to wayland because X is fine. Also wayland still has many bugs to iron out, and wont run on other architechtures besides x86_64. Wayland will be dead as soon as the devolpers realize that no one will port their applications to Wayland.
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>>57330606
>way too much preinstalled shit
ubuntu minimal
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>>57330751
Debian package reposiory is bloated.

I wish KDE Neon were Fedora based
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>>57330771
Debian is very lightweight. Stop spreading bullshit. Learn what package splitting is, and read what the developers say rather than believing 4chan memes.
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>>57330771
>fedora
>redhat
>NSA
lol, enjoy your botnet
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>>57330796
>debian
>amazon
>spyware
enjoy your keylogger
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>>57330790
>>57330796
>autism
No wonder
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>>57330815
But I'm also against debian, and ubuntu, and any other distro with systemd by default.
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>>57330796
>debian
>SJWs
>debian women
enjoy your political correctness, cuck
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>>57330790
this

1 arch package ~= 3-5 debian packages
while on debian you get only the binary, on arch you get source, headers and other stuff and you end up with more MB, arch users may have a low package count but a more bloated system
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>>57330826
do you use archbang?
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>>57330828
See.
>>57330826
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>>57330830
DELETE THIS
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if you aren't a paranoid basement dweller with autism fedora rawhide is pretty comfy desu
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>>57330846
you having fun?
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>>57330842
Nope, /g/entoo.
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>>57330856
>using an insecure distro
git gut
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>>57330856
care to elaborate? I've never installed gentoo, what do you use as a replacement for systemd? is there like a replacement package available or something?
>>
How high is the chance I'll fuck my installation up when I update my kernel and firmware to a newer version?

Linux Mint 18.
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>>57330878
Openrc is the default gentoo.
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>>57330878
OpenRC is gentoo's default systemd replacement and what I use.
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>>57330879
about 3.50

just keep the previous one in /boot, if something goes wrong, load up the old one and reinstall it
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>>57330879
You can downgrade the kernel offline. Don't do autoremove randomly.
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>>57330892
>>57330902
ok, I have no idea how to do what you both said.
where can I learn more about this topic? Something that gives a little bit of background information too.
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>>57330606
>tough to install and set up correctly afaik
only if you are literally retarded
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>>57330815
You are talking about buntu, not debian. Get your memes straight.
>>
>tfw you use the the best distro aka Gentoo Linux
*smokes some weed*
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194 Temperature_Celsius     0x0022   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       47

>climbing
Why the fuck does my HDD run so hot on Linux when idle? It never ran this hot on Windows, always high 30s on load, and mid 20s idle. I have to power it down.
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>>57330139
>>57330150
Install the .deb file from their official site home page (also linked on their github):
https://atom.io/
https://github.com/atom/atom#debian-linux-ubuntu
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>>57331031
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
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>>57331026
Weed is for degenerates.
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>>57330739
I use sid, it works fine. I update like once a week.
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>>57331057
Fuck off you fat cunt.
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>>57331057
doing god's work

>>57331065
> not updating daily
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>>57331061
Nope. It's pretty good if you don't blaze it 24/7 and I'm not what you would call a "degenerate"
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>>57331031
windows by default powers down idle hdds after a period, most linux distros don't

power and temperature cycling causes more wear than higher temperature

you should consider investing in a front case fan to blow over the hdd(s) instead
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>>57331084
I prefer to update when I have time to fix any potential issues that may arise from updating. It is unstable, after all.
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>>57331057
lol
no...
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>>57331057
>I'd just like to interject for a moment
Really what you're saying is "I'd like to be pedantic and shitpost perpetually". Do you also address everyone by their full name prefixed with their full taxonomy, you spewing fucking retard?
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>>57331097
note: doesn't have to be a fast/noisy fan, if that's a concern

it's actually a negative to have a hdd operating at too cool a temperature
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>>57331121
Linux is just the kernel. If you want to refer to the operating system just say GNU.
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>>57331147
This is incorrect. I don't run any GNU "software" on my computer except GCC so it would be retarded to call it anything but Distroname/Linux
Why don't you call your system Browsername/Linux? That makes about as much sense *scoffs at you*
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>>57331161
GNU created the OS 10 years before Linux was even a thing.
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>>57331171
It didn't create my OS so I'm not sure what you are talking about. You can call your OS Gnu/Linux if if really is gnu+linux but don't force others to conform to your poor choice of software
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>>57331161
read a book newfag
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>>57331184
which one? I don't read "literature" written by the fat fuck your worship just to be clear
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>>57331200
Without him you wouldn't sit here using free software.
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Where my University of Houston niggas at?
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>>57331215
he's not wrong
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>no irc
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>>57331215
that simply isn't true, he doesn't create most of the software I use. it's cool that he helped in jump-starting it but that's about it. I'm sure you don't worship most inventors just because they were the first to create something or make it available to the general public, by your logic we should call all light bulbs Edison/Manufacturer-name
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>>57331097
>>57331146
I'd need a fan controller since only 2-pin connections on mobo free and no voltage control support built in, plus a fan. Goddamnit, Linux is supposed to be free.
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>>57329708
hello, my installation of my ati-drivers seems to have gone wrong and now my system hangs at boot. I've tried booting in to a live USB to chroot in to fix it but when I try to connect to my wifi it constantly reconnects and disconnects. Any ideas? Should I just do another USB?
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>>57331275
#flt is deprecated, it's just a link to #sqt
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What's a good way to make a start menu in openbox? I got tired of the limitations in DE's and decided to try openbox. I'm trying to pixel for pixel replicate a Windows 2000 desktop, and it seems like openbox can look the closest. Can I bind the right click menu to open with the start menu or something?
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>>57331287
sorry, it's IBM/ATI since ATI worked with IBM 30 years ago
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>>57331283
just wire one up to 5v or 7v

or do what windows does and have them power down on idle
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>>57331330
>start menu
tint2
>right click
Im pretty sure this is already enabled by default
check configs for menu options
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laptop battery life when running linux
what's up with that
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Alsamixer, you cunt. You literally just worked and now you don't. What the fuck.
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>>57331429
Shit, I meant that I was using tint2. But tint2 doesn't come with a start menu. I want to set make tint2 launch the pipe menu that openbox has. Or better yet, find a package with a proper start menu without a whole DE.
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>>57331450
lol nvm pcm was muted

whatever that is
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>>57331458
>dosent come with one
You didnt configure it properly then
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>>57331330
>I'm trying to pixel for pixel replicate a Windows 2000 desktop,
You better update us on this later, sounds cool
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I feel like i'm doing something stupid, but I just can't figure this out.
I'm running manjaro, and am setting up emulators. I'm trying to make mupen64 run through steam. I have the m64py gui, but it won't launch from steam. Does this have something to do with it being python, or do I need a command in the launch options?
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>>57331474
I got the latest version, I just don't think it comes with one.

>>57331505
You should see
>>>/wg/6746865
That's what inspired me.
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>>57331616
It comes with the potential, you then have to configure it to get it to do what you want, much lik 99% of the programs you will encounter when using *nix
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Is there a painless way of renaming a user and retaining all permissions?
Is there a painful way of renaming a user and retaining all permissions?
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>>57331665
no
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>>57331665
Linux is sadism at its best
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>>57331665
permission are based on the UID, not the name, so you can change the name without affecting permissions
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>Minoca OS
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>>57331334
Thanks for being so friendly :)
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>>57331997
No problem 'mate' :)
What distro ar you using by the way, just so I can be more friendly
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>really like pacman
>not a fan of how sometimes rolling release distros don't just work
>don't want systemd but don't understand why
Which Linux distro do I install on my new laptop?

>inb4 Gentoo memes
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>>57332074
>>57331956
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>>57332074
Gentoo. It's not a meme by any stretch of the imagination and it's as stable as you want it to be
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>>57332074
>>don't want systemd but don't understand why

It's because you fall for memes.
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>>57332126
its easier to dismiss something as a 'meme' than it is to say why you think its bad
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>>57332161
takes to long to compile things. Otherwise it's nice
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>>57332192
i set mine to compile stuff before bed and occasionally ssh from work
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>>57332228
I probably ran it on the worst laptop when I tried it. pentium M and 512mb ram.
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>>57332006
I fixed it myself, but thank you.
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>>57332310
gentoo seems to do the best on middle range configured systems
>intel C2Q Q8200
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whats the proper way to install chrome on ubuntu? i know i can donwload it from the website but will it stay up to date or must i add it to repositories somehow? sorry im a newbie
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>>57332416
package manager
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>>57332416
The .deb you get from the website automatically installs the google repositories so chrome will always be up to date.
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>giving up games for the linux jew
i guess it's about that time anyways
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>>57329818
>> Sudo that shit
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>>57332074
hackintosh :)
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I just installed gentoo for the 3rd time (I distro hop a lot.) This is my first time actually using the USE flags. Can you overdo the "negative" ( -this -that -other) USE flags like you can the "positive" ones?
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Is NixOS the new hipster hotness?
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>>57332489
>linux jew
theres very little money to gain in linux. you should put more effort into your bait
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>>57332652
not all jews are in it for the money
please be respectful towards jews, this is a friendly thread
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what are you all running on your thinkpads?
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>>57332668
fedora xfce
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>>57332668
on my hp x360 just ubuntu
on my custo deskto dualbooting elem and windows
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>>57332668
I don't have a thinkpad
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>>57332687
That's your problem, no need to blog about it.
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>>57332694
Not having a thinkpad is not a problem
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>>57332573
>overdo
i'd be suprised if anyone had several global -use flags
NOTUSE=" -vlc "
KDEUSE=" wxwidgets bluetooth acl"
HAM=" rtlsdr network grc noaa uhd dtv channels fec"
USE="$NOTUSE $KDEUSE $HAM gtk alsa xinerama unicode nls cjk anthy dbus introspection pulseaudio"


>>57332668
dell e6410 with gentoo+budgie desktop
im a lowkey autist.
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>>57332699
>fox and the grapes
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>>57332716
Thinkpads are for poorfags
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>>57332702
Do you use anthy for Japanese? Is it better than ibus + mozc? I couldn't get that shit running so I might as well try out anthy next
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>>57332756
anthy with fcitx for japanese.
i was told mocz had a better dictionary and some better learning characteristics, but anthy is what im comfortable with.
i have never used ibus and only recently switched from scim to fcitx. i'd only recommend fcitx if you're using plasma.
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>>57332683

What do you think of elementary? I've heard it's going the way of crunchbang but it's still pretty nice. Basically ubuntu with a nice DE and no phoning home to amazon
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>>57332806
I'm running i3. So would you recommend scim with anthy then?
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>>57332828
Get bunsenlabs. It's made by the #! community. Elementary is something completly different.
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>>57332830
i'd recommend it.
you need to configure it in environment though. i used this
export XMODIFIERS=@im=SCIM
export GTK_IM_MODULE="scim"
export QT_IM_MODULE="scim"


and of courese you'll need japanese fonts
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>>57332828
Pretty great for a use it and forget about it OS. The nice DE is a plus definitely, but I mean any DE can look great with effort. Still, huge props to the elem team for actually providing something nice out of the box that actually works with complete tech illiterates. Wish ubuntu would make a radical visual change out of the box because the situation right now feels dated. Major downside though, development takes its sweet time.

I'll probably be distro hopping soon though, don't see myself moving away from elem, but nice to at least see what's going on.
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>>57329708
Why run Linux when there aren't superior programs like Microsoft Office, Adobe CC Suite, AutoCAD, Maya?

Linux doesn't have any good games because it takes a miracle to get above 10 FPS with a 720p video because no good graphics drivers lol
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>>57331230
Chose to go to UTD instead, homie.
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>>57333247
lol xD
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am i moe enough for you niggers? 〜uguu〜
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>>57333343
gay af
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>>57333354
fite me onii-chan〜 i bust yo ass and curb stomp you 〜uguu〜
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http://www.securitronlinux.com/bejiitaswrath/gaining-information-about-your-linux-system-using-the-linux-command-line/
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>>57333775
>59x125
TRIGGERED!
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>>57333790
I did what I could. I can't believe AI is more feasible than rebuilding an image.
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>>57333879

this better be shitposting
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>There are literally 0 graphical MPD clients that can shuffle a sub selection of songs in your playlist
>ncmpcpp is the ONLY client that is capable of this

I just want a convenient mouse operated client that isn't complete and utter garbage.
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>>57334530
search harder
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>>57334556
What client is this
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What distro is gonna help me get some pussy?
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>>57334581
>What distro is gonna help me get some pussy?
just grab some like any normal human bean
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>>57330933
synaptic is your friend.
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I've just installed Mint. Where can I look to start ricing it up a little bit? I kinda want to give it a metro, kinda minimalist feel.
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>>57332491
> You are not on the list of sudoers
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>>57329824

Is your sister pretty?
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tfw i wanted to post here a spammed syslog file about a failed thumbnail creation, then i realized the media file is leeched and opened in filemanager.
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>>57330294

>i don't use a compositor, i don't want my windows to "animate"
Compositors don't have to "animate" your windows. How about you actually inform yourself before throwing wrong information around?
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>>57334530

You can operate ncmpcpp with a mouse.
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>>57330701
from a security stand point systemd is bad nothing else that systemd does can out weigh that
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>>57335236

[citation needed]
You most likely know shit about your "security" buzzword, but you just like to pretend that you do, because no one else can call you out on it on here.
Kill yourself.
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>>57335243
Calma calma. It's the usual bug/code line bullshit.
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Any of you use onedrive and microsoft office 2016? I need them for work.

I have been thinking of moving my desktop over to a GNU/Linux distro. I have had mint on my laptop for ages without much hassle because anything native to windows I would do on my desktop.

Sidenote: If I did need to have an actual windows environment would a VM or dualbooting be more preferable?
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>>57335265

Stop using the Linux kernel.
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what did my computer mean by this?
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>>57335431

I suggest you check the Arch front page (news page) or the forums.
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>>57335463
i don't know how

just tell me what to do to fix it
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>>57335463
never mind i tried to sound the words out on the arch page and i understodo what to do

i never learned how to read correctly before
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>>57335431
I've had exactly the same issue the other day on my arch book. had to sudo rm /etc/fonts/conf.d/*dejavu* and then it worked.
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Greetings

Been using clementine over here and I have this massive internet icon up there. Does anyone know why that is a thing?
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>>57335547
Oh... So it worked... Nice nice mate just don't delete it your package isn't compromised at all
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>>57335547
Best flipper gayme on linux? I got used to space cadet at work, now i'm addicted pro.
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Is there a way to reboot into a different OS from my desktop?
e.g. I reboot to windows when on Linux, and not to my default boot option.
Using systemd-bootctl btw
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>>57335596
>Using systemd
hahahaha
allahu akbar
>>
ok guys, so whenever I install a package, it is being installed into /usr/bin, right? but how does bash look up a command whenever I enter one e.g. df or uname? is there somewhere a table of commands that correspond with an executable in a certain directory?
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>>57335658
>it is being installed into /usr/bin, right?
mostly
>but how does bash look up a command whenever I enter one e.g. df or uname?
it goes through each directory in the environment variable $PATH, until it finds a match
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Any Snipping Tool alternatives?
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>>57335658

Just do "which [program name]" to find out where the executable is located.
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>>57335702

Slop with maim or scrot.
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>>57329802
kek
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>>57334561
I wonder what their file name means
>>
Trying to be real fucking patient here anons, but this is getting nuts. For the record, I believe all OS's are a knife up the dick, the only difference is how sharp the blade is. I am not a fanboi or a troll, I just want to get shit done, and if you get in my way, you get cast aside.

Having said all that.

I have installed AVLinux, a flavor of Debian. I want to evaluate it so I can try moving away from OS X/Win7 on my next studio build. Despite this distribution being "built for audio" It didn't pick up my audio hardware. I needed to set it manually via JACK. Because why would an OS built around audio detect my audio hardware and default it? What kind of nonsense would that be?

So I point it to my soundcard, and get told I need to restart the ASLA server. Allegedly, I do this by typing "sudo /etc/init.d/asla restart". I get "command not found". I check init.d, there is no asla, there is however asla-utils.

> "sudo /etc/init.d/asla-utils restart"
> "command not found"
...k
> "sudo /etc/init.d/cron restart"
> "command not found"
..wut
> "sudo restart"
> "command not found"
> anguish intensifies

So then I go google "restart asla debian". This is the first result.

> http://forums.bodhilinux.com/index.php?/topic/3800-solved-how-does-a-user-restart-alsa-without-rebooting/
> "solved'

What the fucking fuck..?

So my question is, is this sudo command correct, and what the fuck command is the error referring to?
>>
*sees arch and or debian*
BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG
>>
1. Stop using shitty downstream, niche distributions. Everything that you can install on that AVLinux you can install on normal Debian.

2. Stop copy pasting random commands you find on the internet. Especially when you consult random websites, with old information. Familiarize yourself with what they do.
Just from the top of my head I can tell that didn't work because Debian uses systemd now and that's not how you restart services with it.

tl;dr: everything about what you tried to do is a clusterfuck of wrong things
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>>57335986
What's wrong with my Debian?
>>
>>57336005

Meant for >>57335963
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>>57336008
*sees the word "debian", sees a debiaun user*
BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG
*reloads*
BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG
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What programs are some must install?
>>
>>57336019
i'd hate to go to your school.
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>>57336022
Screenfetch
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>>57336022
>mpd and a client
so i can finish installing system with some tunes
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>>57336022

libpng, linux, libxkbcommon, libusb, dbus, acl, alsa-lib
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>>57336052
>libpng, linux, libxkbcommon, libusb, dbus, acl, alsa-lib
taking his question pretty serious, i did chuckle though 8/10
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>>57336005
I used deb years ago and am familiar with restarting daemons in this method at least, which is why I didn't go googling till after I discovered the commands were not working as I had expected. I ran nothing from a google search, which is why when I discovered that URL, I came here. What I did is what I used to do on a Deb box I had years ago.

> Stop using shitty downstream, niche distributions. Everything that you can install on that AVLinux you can install on normal Debian.
But muh special snowflake distro! You're right though.

> Debian uses systemd now and that's not how you restart services with it.
This I was unaware of. Is this why people rage so hard against systemd or did the avlinux guys literally fuck up this distro that hard? Would have been nice if they (AVL) updated their fucking documentaion at least.
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>>57336063
>chuckle
but that's like a 6-7 at best mate
>>
New to linux. Best place to pirate the best version?
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>>57336213
This hurt my brain.
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>>57336213
Ich möchte nur einmal kurz etwas einwerfen. Was Sie als Linux bezeichnen ist in Wahrheit GNU/Linux, oder wie ich es vor kurzem zu bezeichen begonnen habe, GNU plus Linux. Linux an sich ist kein Betriebssystem, sondern eine weitere freie Komponente eines voll Funktionsfähigen GNU Systems, welches durch die GNU corelibs, shell utilities und andere wichtige System Komponente nützlich gemacht wird und ein Betriebssystem ist, wie es durch das POSIX definiert ist.

Viele Computer Nutzer benutzen eine modifizierte Version des GNU Systems jeden Tag ohne es zu bemerken. Durch eine eigenartige Wendung wird die Version von GNU, die heute weit verbreitet ist, oft Linux genannt und viele der Nutzer sind sich nicht bewusst, dass es eigentlich das GNU System ist, welches von dem GNU Projekt entwickelt wurde.

Es existiert wirklich ein Linux, und diese Leute benutzen es, jedoch handelt es sich dabei nur um einen Teil ihres Systems. Linux ist ein Kernel: das Programm im System welches die durch die Maschine bereitgestellten Ressourcen an andere laufende Programme verteilt. Der Kernel ist ein essentieller Teil eines Betriebssystems, aber ohne den Rest des Systems nutzlos; er kann nur in Zusammenarbeit mit dem Rest des Systems funktionieren. Linux wird für gewöhnlich in Kombination mit dem GNU Betriebssystem verwendet: Das ganze System ist eigentlich GNU mit dem Linux Kernel, oder GNU/Linux. Alle so genannten Linux Distributionen sind in Wahrheit Distributionen von GNU/Linux!
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>>57336005
>2. Stop copy pasting random commands you find on the internet. Especially when you consult random websites, with old information. Familiarize yourself with what they do.
10/10 advise.

Especially when it comes to shell scripting some blogs are full of pure horrors.

Something everyone should read: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashPitfalls
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>>57336239
>copypasta-ing this hard
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>>57336213
Publishers often refer to copying they don't approve of as “piracy.” In this way, they imply that it is ethically equivalent to attacking ships on the high seas, kidnapping and murdering the people on them. Based on such propaganda, they have procured laws in most of the world to forbid copying in most (or sometimes all) circumstances. (They are still pressuring to make these prohibitions more complete.)

If you don't believe that copying not approved by the publisher is just like kidnapping and murder, you might prefer not to use the word “piracy” to describe it. Neutral terms such as “unauthorized copying” (or “prohibited copying” for the situation where it is illegal) are available for use instead. Some of us might even prefer to use a positive term such as “sharing information with your neighbor.”
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>>57336239
>not using based Swiss German
Pssch... don't talk to me unless you're on at least the high functioning end of the spectrum kiddo
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>>57336247
>http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashPitfalls
>for i in $(ls *.mp3)
does any one actually try to use this?
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>>57336261
*sees a disgusting, weak, fat communist*
BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG
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>>57336281
your school must need to practice 'lockdowns' often
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>>57336286
identify yourself!
*points a loaded firearm at you and gets ready to fire in case of an unsatisfactory answer*
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>>57336298
i'm """"""""""""""a good guy with a gun""""""""""""""
>pew pew
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>>57336281
>>57336298
>>57336314

How old are you guys? 12?
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>>57336321
20 y.o ,male, currently single
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>>57336314
>just murdered an anti-communist
>good
0_0

just kidding! i'm wearing what is known as a bulletproof vest!
*pulls a gun on you*
BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG
6 shots. straight in the head huh... i must've got him this time
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>>57336321
19 y.o, also male, also currently single
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>>57336247
First thing I do when I find a command I am unfamiliar with is google it. My problem was old google results and nothing to hint that this whole systemd thing has basically fucked up everything a lot of people thought they knew from previous experience. As I say, my first google search presented what to my logic appeared to be garbage. Then I went to 4chan kek.

> that website
That would be like me, an audio engineer, referring every new guitarist I bump into, to the EE articles on ground loops, pink noise calibration and the effects a room full of humans have on sound propagation, when the guy just wants to know TRS was usable in X scenario because thats the only type of cable he has in his guitar case. It is a page full of voodoo that only someone balls deep into linux (and who understands the interconnectedness of legacy and modern systems; that is, someone who has worked on legacy systems) would be able to take value from. I would suggest it has no place in fglt. Maybe distro specific threads, but not here.

>>57336321
No, their grammar is too strong. You are literally looking at a pair of manchildren.
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>>57336369
>manchildren.

somehow i'm fine with this.
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>>57336369
>he never 'roleplays' as a mass murderer
and i'm the manchild here
lol
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>>57334561
its called QMMP
its QT only
its an xmms relic and will not work with mpd
>>
When you create a temporary file to test something, how do you call it? I stopped using "test" when I realized it conflicts with the test command, so what to use? topkek, lel?
>>
>>57336478
i'd go with just kek or lel
i like kek better tbqh but that's up to you mate
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>>57336478
mktemp
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>>57332074
Try void linux
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>>57336478
qweop1, qweop2, qweop3, asdl1, asdl2 etc, easy to type combo's that I can search for and delete on bulk, knowing that I am not breaking anything of value.
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>>57336478
if another script creates it: $(date +%H_%M).txt
if i create it: test1.txt
>>
I have a headless Arch server working as a file repository for my LAN via Samba. I also want to access said repository over WAN. Does Samba use keys? If not, is there a way to make SCP or SFTP authenticate using a (passphrase protected) public key instead of your usual user account stuff? Or at least make them use both?
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>>57336526
>arch server
You are doing it wrong. A server should be run by something stable.
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>>57336549
Very helpful, linuxfriend.
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>>57336549
For example?Debian?
>>
>install a bunch of updates for mint
>about 2 hours later another few available
>install those two
>check again out of curiosity as soon as they finished
>another update became available

why the fuck am i updating this 5 times a day
>>
>>57336562
>5 times a day
Do this until salah.
                                                                                                                                                                             :^)
>>
How can i access a server for free to exercise networking? I don't have enough pc to emulate.

>>57336341
>currently
>>
>>57336560
Anything that you can upgrade without trouble. Debian stable, Ubuntu LTS server also works. There's no need for bleeding edge software on a server but it should be stable like a rock.
>>
>>57336658
>currently
i don't want to get any sti/std while living in europe so, yes, currently.
>>
>>57336674
>Ubuntu
BOTNET
>>
>>57336681
yeah it's pretty fucking dangerous out there you need to carry antitoxins with you pretty much all the time
>>
>>57336684
a) It was just an example for another stable distribution
b) I don't like Canonical also, but that said, Amazon is only in vanilla Ubuntu with Unity
>>
>>57336703
Nobody should support a company that makes friends with Microsoft, hurts the Linux community by shipping it to Windows 10, spie(d) on it's users and steers them to nonfree software.
>>
>>57336681
>sti/std
I don't speak murican. Is that a Subaru car?
>>
>>57336693
well if you want to complicate your return to your home country go ahead.
>>57336730
europe uses sti so i don't know what you're talking about nigger
>>
>>57336745
A manchild triggered.
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>>57336766
>A manchild triggered.
Haha you got me! i'm firing off!
>>
New thread: >>57336781
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>>57329941
Antergos is better for begginers than debian
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>>57336766
>>57336745

pls be friendly
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>>57336799
how about no.
>>
Im trying to wrap my head around DMs, WMs and such.

What are the layers of managers and environments?

I installed X.org but theres something about GTK? Im confused.
>>
>>57335325
Anyone?
>>
>>57336886
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Wayland

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GTK%2B

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GNOME
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