/fglt/ - Friendly GNU/Linux Thread

lel hurd
more like turd

>>56121373
Newbie here

What are the main differences between using a GNU/Linux distribution and using a GNU/Hurd distribution?

I've heard Debian (the one I use) also supports Hurd, but I really don't know what this changes and what it doesn't, from both a technical and a user point of view

>>56121428
One works in real life, one doesn't.

>implying GNU has only one kernel

>>56121446
Which one? Nevermind, I know is the one with microkernel.

>>56121469
Oh yeah, they stole one and called it their own as well.

Okay, okay, can we ease it on the funposting about kernels please.

Put up your friendly stands and wait for the newbies.

>>56121428
Different filesystem and different init. Drivers are loaded separately from the as to not needing to restart to make changes.

>>56121560
*Drivers are loaded separately from the kernel

>>56121397
My favorite characters were Rose's bewbs.

>HiStar is a new operating system designed to minimize the amount of trusted code in a system.
http://www.scs.stanford.edu/histar/
>The Muen Separation Kernel is the world’s first Open Source microkernel that has been formally proven to contain no runtime errors at the source code level
https://muen.sk/
>LUnix is an operationg system primarly for the good old Commodore64 home-computer.
http://lng.sourceforge.net/

All of them GPL

>>56121536
GNU never claimed that Linux is theirs.

>>56121629
>minimize the amount of trusted code in a system
WTF? So is it not trusted? Should I not trust it?

>>56121446
>>56121428
neither works in real life

you have to go with a Linux distribution to get anywhere

stay far away from anything with GNU/ in its name

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>>56121670
>>56121697

Is Brainfuck scheduler worth it or just a meme?

And what are some other essential desktop 'responsiveness' enhancements?

>>56121719
go to bed stallman steal credit for someone elses operating system

>>56121629
>lunix
kek

>>56121753
>>>/winfag/

Im getting screen tearing on native ubuntu. What DE should i try if i didnt like kde. I want a clean and pretty ui, customization is a plus.

>>56121854
Bspwm

>>56121854
GNOME

>>56121373
How do we Make GNOME (and GTK+) Great Again?

They are both a fucking mess right now, and most customisation issues (popular polling answer for GNOME3 was lack of customisation options) could be fixed relatively easily

>>56121939

Get rid of the current team who hates theming and is mostly concerned with the "brand"

>>56121939
>How do we Make GNOME (and GTK+) Great Again?
port gnome2/mate to qt5
aka, port the best version of gnome to a sensible toolkit (or at least fork/maintain gtk2)

gnome devs have gone mad

>HURD will never be completed
I swear I'll be the person to complete it, if anyone does.

A lot of people use file browsers that either:
a) do not have a preview panel
b) do not use a visual GUI that preview images inside of the browser

How do these people EVER manage to organise their porn?

>>56122206
I have been away for a few months what is this GNU/Hurd shit
>>56122211
I use internet anon

>>56122285
It's pretty hard to do that with 2D because of the sheer amount of individual images you wish to return to.

>>56122079
>>56122199
Literally the most popular poll answer was lack of customisation after GNOME3 was released. The obvious fix is merging gnome-tweak-tool and dconf-editor into the actual GNOME settings, along with a slight restructuring of the GNOME settings. This is literally fuckin it. GNOME devs are just fucking retarded and are killing GNOME aswell as GTK+ with this attitude. I fucking hate it

>>56122285
GNU Hurd (without /) is GNU's official main kernel, its a (multi-server) microkernel in contrast to the monolithic linux or linux-libre. It was started before linux was, but it has yet to reach production maturity. Once its finished it could be nice, but thats gonna take a while, if it will ever be finished

So whenever I try installing Ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS with my GTX 1060, nouveau freaks out and I lose connection to my monitor. I assume that it just doesn't support Pascal very well since it just came out. Is there a way I can use my integrated graphics and install the proprietary NVIDIA drivers?

>>56122400
Ah thanks Stallman

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I just installed Debian Testing in a VM so I can learn a bit about Linux.

However, I have an old computer, and it runs mostly like shit. Are there any scripts (or lists) floating around which will allow me to remove unneeded crap?

I'm enjoying it so far..and hell, I even got Screenfetch installed and running.

>>56122788
install gentoo


or Arch

>>56122827
Both sound like a hassle to install.

Gentoo needs to compile everything I install, and on my shitbox it will take a whole fucking day.

Arch sounds better, but again, I value ease of installation. I might try it, but will it run decently, provided I use the same VM settings I used for Debian?

>>56122400
It may have been started before, but development basically stopped until ~5years ago.

>>56122211
With a file manager. And not just that, I also use my file manager to upload things by dragging them onto websites.

>>56122211
Porn is degenerate anyway.

>>56122861
You're in a VM so it's gonna be slow. Gentoo is a meme but Arch is worth a try, you have nothing to lose.

>>56122861
Don't listen to him, if you can't cross compile gentoo would be a hassle and arch is needlessly bloated. Debian is fine. You made a mistake however, the debian testing iso is a beta version of the installer, the usual way is to install debian stable minimally and then upgrade to testing or sid. Just telling you for next time.
Removing unneeded crap is done via a package manager, meaning dpkg, but you should not use it directly. You have 2 choices, either you use aptitude or apt-get, read the wiki articles on both and decide. I personally prefer aptitude.
During the expert installer you can choose to install only the drivers for your current hardware and can choose how minimal you want your system. It looks like your computer would be able to run a window manager like dwm or tinywm okay. Have fun.

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So what's going on with MATE? I just installed arch on my desktop and set up MATE, and when I went to grab the mate-menu package, it is flipping shit over the mate panel vs mare gtk3 panel.

>>56122958
Whoa, thanks man.

I'm also enjoying the font rendering a lot, it looks amazing out of the box compared to XP.

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>>56122861
I like arch more than I like Debian.
Ive been using Debian for the last week on my desktop and if I had no experience with similar issues on arch, I would be lost.

Debian documentation is not the best. I also find the way upstream packaged are handled kind of shit. Testing is sometimes just flat out missing a package, which can be frustrating. Unstable can be as the name implies, but still ends up with some weird missing packages..

Listen I love Debian. I really, truly do. But I think it just falls apart. Arch requires a lot of initial config, but issues afterwards are minimal. You also don't get raped by ppas. It was just stupid issues everywhere that made me realize I've never had a problem like this on arch.

MEMES aside, arch is a good distro. But if you want easy config, go with an Ubuntu flavor. Arch also has antegros.

>>56121373
How can i resize my root partition then add more GB to my home partition on Fedora 23?

OSX sierra wont support my computer. I'm gonna get apricity OS. Yay!

>>56123096
You are better off installing Fedora, Xubntu or Debian, then getting a cool icon & shell theme.

Not that a mac fag knows how to do any of that

>>56122879
well, the current development almost exclusively is based on mach, which in itself is considered outdated. all development on L4 derivatives has been stopped aswell because the developer is occupied with other work

i dont think the hurd with mach will be a success just because of performance reasons

>>56123059
You can get it even better by making a .fonts.conf in your home directory (~) and putting something like on the debian wikis fonts article in there.

>>56123082
>using ppas
There's your problem, git gud and compile yourself. Checkinstall is a think.

how can i run TP-Link TL-WN823N wireless adapter

note: i use parabola

I'm running Mint 18 and I want to turn off intel power boost. I use this script

>echo "1" | sudo tee /sys/devices/system/cpu/intel_pstate/no_turbo 1

But after restarting my Laptop powerboost is always turned back on. How can I make this change permanent?

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yesterday I resized my linux partition from 30 to 60GB.
The file manager (pcmanfm) still tells me I have only 30GB though.
Gparted shows that the partition is correctly resized.
What do I have to do to actually increase the usable space for my system? Or is it usable already and pcmanfm just displays it incorrectly?

>>56121373
getting kernel panic at my manjaro installation:

 kernel panic: not syncing : vfs : unable to mount root 

heres the output of lsblk, on my Ubuntu install on sdc2:

sdc      8:32   0 223,6G  0 disk 
├─sdc1   8:33   0   7,6G  0 part [SWAP]
├─sdc2   8:34   0   108G  0 part /
└─sdc3   8:35   0   108G  0 part /mnt/manjaro_installation

sdc3 is my manjaro install directory, do you have any ideas ?

also how to I make a "clean" grub config, on both installations ?

>>56123974
first off, you don't necessarily need `tee` to do that
`echo "1" >> filename` appends to the file, `echo "1" > filename` replaces the content of the file.

If you want to make it permanent, you either find out, what file gets loaded on boot to overwrite your file (try looking for the file's manpage for instance)
or you just put the change you want to be permanent in the script that runs whenever you start a shell (~/.bashrc if your shell is bash)
maybe fuck with the permissions of the file a bit so you don't have to enter your password every time you launch a shell.

>>56124418
had a similar problem while installing GuixSD in a VBox. GuixSD offers USB-install downloads only, no ISO so you have to convert the raw file to a VHD. If you finally want to install you will get an error saying you dont have enough disk space. If you extend the VHD, fdisk will not see any of that, with another tool you can resize the partition, but then you cannot extend the filesystem because its already mounted and its not umountable because its beeing used

guix IRC couldnt help either, either im stupid or this is faulty for VBox

>>56124434
are you using the grub installed by ubuntu or manjaro? apparently manjaro can only be booted from the grub installed by manjaro because the devs made some stupid changes to it...

>>56124418
you may have resized the partition, but did you remember to resize the filesystem that is on the partition?

>>56124493
currently using the grub from my ubuntu installation but both linux installs have a grub on their own.

you know if its going to take longer than 20 min to fix I'd rather just put a vm up

also
>because the devs made some stupid changes to it.

seems like manjaro summed up in one sentence

>>56124500
no I didn't.
I guess I'll do that, I just expected the system to do that automatically.
Thanks for the hint

>>56124527
some programs will/can do both operations at once

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/g/,

Going back to University soon and I want to quit video games for life, not like Microsoft hasn't been annoying me lately anyway. Decided to convert full time.

I want to learn and eventually switch to Arch or Gentoo (only because they get shilled here a lot, I'm sure I'll be able to evaluate my situation better once I dive deeper into it).

Q: As a nearly-complete beginner, where do I start, Debian or Ubuntu? I'll trust you, /fglt/.

>>56124908
debian but use the nonfree installer

alright, i've been using lubuntu and mint for quite sometime and i think it's time to move to arch
what DE should i use? i'd like to have a pretty desktop
also, does anyone have a nice guide to installation?

>>56124908
See>>56124968
Or just start with Ubuntu MATE

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>>56125063
Cinnamon. Try to follow the wiki

>>56121373

Debian. You'll thank us later.

>>56124968
>nonfree installer

WTF is this ?.

>>56125204
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/
it has a bunch of firmware bundled with it some Systems need and the nonfree repos are enabled by defalt

>>56124520
I can confirm you have to use grub provided with manjaro. You might be able to boot from a manjaro live cd and run a update-grub and fix it.

What's the difference between KeePass and KeePass X other than the first one uses .NET?

Does anyone know if there is a linux program which can be used to capture video streams from websites? GetFLV in Windows 10 works for me, but I don't want to switch back. I want to stay in linux.

>>56124500
What do you do if you have only one partition, and cannot umount the fs because youre using it (running system)?

>>56126379
VLC should be able to do it, view the stream and record it with VLC, pretty dirty, but prolly will work

im sure there is a better application for that but thats the first thing that came to mind

>>56126520
some filesystems can be resized while mounted (such as BTRFS)
otherwise you'll need to boot into another system so you can resize it while unmounted

>>56126520
you chroot with a live disk

>>56126766
chrooting is detrimental to what he's trying to do, as that would require mounting

>>56126785
You're correct, sorry. I meant booting in to a live disk an doing it there.
Should probably have coffee before posting here...

What is a good DE
I used xfce previously and I loved it but I want to change it
Currently on lxqt and it's okay but I don't like it.

>>56124908
Debian, it's stable and you can use backports or the testing repositories if you want new packages.

>>56126878
kde
gnome
mate
xfce
cinnamon
deepin
enlightenment
budgie
lumina
pantheon
moksha
unity

How is Debian/Ubuntu able to blank the root password and lock it during install?

>>56121373
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Linux”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use.
Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called “Linux” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux. I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

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Reminder we have two threads on /t/ - Torrents, last call to ask for reseeds!

Training videos for GNU/Linux (torrents)
>>>/t/713097
>>>/t/713097

Ported videogames (torrents)
>>>/t/707928
>>>/t/707928

We need a thread on /vg/ for gaymers because year of the GNU/Linux desktop motherfuckers, here is the pasta
http://pastebin.com/7Xzi8e2H

Does anybody have an ascii Stallman?
I want to put him in my interjection script.

>>56126759
>>56126766
i think im just too retarded to understand the guixsd installation in a VM

>>56127396
http://picascii.com

>>56126553
So how would I capture this? https://www.nfb.ca/film/n-zone_en/

>>56127562
http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/vlc-streaming.html

>>56127591
Thanks, but I don't think that is going to work, because the url doesn't end with the video file name. :/

Someone mentioned rtmdump, anyone know anything about that?

>>56127752
It plays in mpv so vlc should be able to as well. This is pretty much what vlc was designed for.

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Does anyone have the link about ricing that used to be posted in desktop threads?

I'm going to try Ubuntu. Latest non-LTS version. I understand

sudo apt-get install ___

. What do I need to put in the blank to install g++ and vim? Anything else I'd need to start basic C++ development?

>>56128463
It's probably just g++ and vim although you can search stuff with

apt-cache search ____ 

And you'll probably need GNU make too since it'll be tedious running g++ in the shell.

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I want to buy a new laptop and then install Linux on it. Is there a list of laptops out there that are guaranteed to run Linux with no problems?

I'm looking at Dell Latitudes.

>>56128553
>>>/tpg/

>>56128553
http://askubuntu.com/questions/389176/is-there-database-of-linux-compatible-hardware

literally one of the first results in $search_engine for "linux compatibility list"

>>56128553
/tpg/

>>56128463
the ricing link is terribly outdated, if you want it you can look on the /g/ wiki in the sticky though.
also desktop threads still exist on >>>/trash/ .
as for g++ and vim: just apt search like the other anon said, actually vim might be installed already, see if it's there.

>>56124456
First off, you cant redirect text output to files owned by root without sudo (hence the tee).

>>56128463
https://rizonrice.github.io/resources

>>56128919
but he can `sudo echo "1" > file` instead of `sudo echo "1" | tee file`
not that it matters but it's convenient

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Is there a ppa for cbatticon?
I'm new to linux, so I dont know how to install otherwise

>>56129247
He cant', since echo is a shell builtin.

type echo

It would work if the shell is started as root, but that's trivial; tee is faster.

>>56122199

Name reasons why Qt5 is better than GTK3?

>>56129277

Nigga, learn how to create your own package for it. The compilation instructions are easy and creating a package for such an easy "tool" should be easy and fast.
It will help you keep your system clean.

What's the difference between i3 and i3 gaps? Also what's the best wm for Arch

>>56129511

>Also what's the best wm for a specific distribution

Kill yourself you pathetic try-hard poser.

>>56129300
There is an echo program in /usr/bin.

which echo

And that's not the reason he used tee he used it because redirection doesn't work with sudo

>>56129521
What? What are you even on about?

>>56129511
i3 is for people who actually want to productive
i3-gaps is for ricers who want show off their shitty desktop
>Arch
You want the latter.

>>56129574
Thanks familia. I definitely want to show off my top tier desktop

Any shell wizards here? I want to create a sequence of numbers but I don't now which practice is more portable. Should I use seq, (( )) or {..} ?

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So I've decided to give Debian testing another shot.

Yesterday, after being frustrated with a configuration, I left my arch USB stick in and since grub was being a shit, I took it as a sign. I love arch on my ThinkPad because I have found it simple, while I found Debian fought me at every corner.

But after a day of arch I have kinda realized that maybe I was too tough on it, and I guess complex configuration comes with the territory when you work on a desktop.

I think pacman + AUR are INFINITELY better than anything on the Debian side of the pond, but Debian still just werks and honestly I think both are pretty good operating systems.

What about you /g/? Anything you ever thought was shit that you later went back to and realized it's not that bad when it comes to Linux?

I have an AMD 6750M in a MacBook Pro 15 Late 2011 (I know). I want to learn how to do more than surf the Internet and pirate music, so I'm getting my feet wet with GNOME Desktop on Ubuntu 16.04 (like real noob, still working on understanding apt and repositories). Here's my dilemma:

In order to boot past a blank purple screen, I had to edit /boot/grub/custom.cfg to include this bit which I just found randomly when googling:

outb 0x728 1
outb 0x710 2
outb 0x740 2
outb 0x750 0

Previously, I was booting in recovery mode and typing this in every time.

Anyway, this solution still seems like a bandaid just to get things running. (I have also looked into flgrx, but cant seem to get that working) I'm unable to use dual monitors currently, and i think it's a symptom of my issue. What can I do to make my OS play nice with AMD?


tl;dr Please help make 2011 MacBook AMD shit work with Ubuntu 16.04

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Hey guys, I'm running lubuntu and I love it but I'm getting quite awful screen tearing with xfce and lxde in video and Web page scrolling for some reason. I've tried different window compositor like Compton with glx but it makes it worse. My laptop uses an old AMD 6520g chip (beavercreek) and I'm not sure if the right driver has been installed for it.

What do?

what did he mean by this >>56127006?

>>56129694
Ubuntu
I used to despise it, but I found it to be about the only distro I can use without fucking everything up
I still despise it but now I at least give it some recognition

>>56129779
Did you properly set up compton?
IIRC you need to write some configs

>install Windows to Go Workplace
>remove flash drive while it's running
>I can plug it back in if it's within 30 seconds and everything keeps working
>remove flash drive from a system running Linux off it
>everything's fucking broken, the root FS will not remount
Why does Linux fucking suck so much? Even when I tried to use a NFS root FS it still fucking locked up and fucked itself after several weeks of uptime.

>>56129694
Fellow arch user here please don't bother giving debian another chance. APT is absolute shit in comparison to pacman.
>want to install program
>apt-get install <program>
>2MB + 500MB dependencies and bloat
>thanks debian!
>want to uninstall program later on
>apt-get remove <program>
>2MB removed
>and what about 500MB of bloat you gave me?
>apt-get autoremove
>0 packages removed.
>t-thanks debian!

>>56129904
I used this guide
> http://duncanlock.net/blog/2013/06/07/how-to-switch-to-compton-for-beautiful-tear-free-compositing-in-xfce/

I feel like maybe I'm missing something more. Or my video driver is not the correct one, so far I haven't been able to find out what driver is installed.

>>56129694
I feel the same way about debian except I haven't realized it's not that bad. Every time I try it's a battle and never seems to work right for one reason or another.

>>56129943
>complaining about bloat as an Arch user

haha my dude

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flmX9GYwyiI

>>56130070
>complaining about bloat as KDE user
my sides.

>>56129679
- (()): C-style for loops aren't POSIX, but available in Bash, ksh93, and zsh
- {}: is a bashism, shorter, but the downside is you can't use variables here
- seq: spawns a additional process, in most situations you want to avoid that and use shell builtins

>>56129904
Honestly, Ubuntu's gotten a lot of it's shit together since 14.10 so I try not to be too shitty towards it. I think it's still better to install something like Ubuntu-MATE (probably the most competent maintainers of all of the buntu spins), but unity in particular is looking a LOT better than it used to. I can't stay mad at it.

>>56129943
True, but I'm still willing to give it a bit more of a chance. (It's too late because I already installed it over arch.) Partially because I like the ideals and the stability of it. I'm going to try and get comfy with aptitude since it seems to be much better at maintaining a system.

My biggest frustrations from debian came from the way the repository is handled, and I just can't figure out how apt pinning works enough to get past it. So if I want something in testing that lies in Jessie or Sid, I end up shit out of luck.

My OTHER core issue came from a few things being in some ppa that required me to go and deal with the git myself. So it lead me to ask "why would I do this when I could just install arch and use yaourt?"

I figure it's worth a revist anyways. If it falls apart, I'll just grab antegros and reinstall arch that way because I think I've installed arch enough times to feel like I learned something.

>>56130011
Sometimes I think the only reason I want to use debian so much is because I like the logo more than arch.

>>56130070
That video is pretty oudated.

And while arch can CERTAINLY be bloated, I think it's easier to handle the bloat because pacman is much more powerful than apt. meta packages in debian/ubuntu flavors are a literal cancer when I need to remove them all. I was able to completely sack a meta package on arch with a simple command.


>>56130146
also this

>>56130247
>pacman is much more powerful than apt

I hear the exact opposite from the other side. Which is it?

>>56121373
I want to IRC with /g/ people.

I have Kali, what IRC client should i apt-get?

>>56130273
pacman is easily better, it's no contest.

Pacman has better tools to deal with dependencies, whereas apt kind of treats packages as chunks of packages, if that makes sense. Not that apt is some horrible thing, it does it's job well, but it's more the fault of how repo's in debian based systems work.

>>56130316
weechat

>>56130347
If you would read manpages, you'd be able to use apt without problems. Typical Arch users.

>>56130347
Shouldn't the argument be that pacman is more user-friendly?

>>56130377
Ok i downloaded like a tar thing, but there's no .exe inside.

>>56130395
archbabbies just don't understand the concept of meta packages and wonder why removing package X also removes their DE
>>56130347
like >>56130395 said, apt is good enough to deal with everything, you just need to know what you're doing. if you don't know what you're doing, there's aptitude

>>56130418
epic

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>>56130418

>>56130450
Help?

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>>56130481

>>56130481
Yes

>>56130526
How do i unshit this tarfolder so i can install weechat?

>>56130481
1.) Open a terminal.
2.) Enter: sudo apt-get install weechat

Getting an input/output error while trying to remove a directory on my external HD. Specifically, this is caused by a directory within that directory, obviously some kind of NTFS formatting error or something.

I mounted the HD on another laptop earlier which has an old version of Slackware running on it. Er, it automatically mounted in the directory I had for the old Windows recovery partition (/fat-d). Somehow, a directory for fat-d wound up on /media/externalHD/user/Linux, and it's clearly corrupted. I'm confused as to how it got there, what it is, and how to fix it.

Also, there is a corrupted file in the Linux directory (the new slackware ISO). I don't know how it got corrupted or how to figure that out.

>>56130542
>E: Unable to locate package weechat

>>56130560
Run:
sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
and retry

Also try
sudo apt-get install weechat-curses
because I'm not sure how the package is called on debian based systems

>>56130560
sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install weechat
Kali should never be installed outside a wm or a live usb.

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>>56130414
You're probably right. I suppose that's a better way to describe it. I just hate how gibberish the output on apt can be. aptitude solves a lot of it though.

>>56130395
>>56130432
Calm down. Just because the features exist doesn't negate a lot of things. apt can pull a LOT more bloat and isn't as efficient as removing them compared to pacman. Needing to crawl through documentation like that doesn't appeal to me.

I like pacman because there are no caveats to using it. All of the outputs are clean, helpful, and nice. But more importantly

>being this much of an elitist over apt vs pacman
epic

>>56130604
Why is this?

>>56130592
>Reading packace lists... Done
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Calculating upgrade.. Done
0 Upgraded + newly installed 0 to remove 0 not upgraded.

I think my installation might be missing the repo or something.


I tried apt-get dist-upgrade earlier today and it found jack shit, usually it floods everyday with stuff in my vmware kali.

>>56130592
>>56130604
>takes a troll seriously
guys...

>>56130604
>Kali should never be installed outside a wm or a live usb.
>outside a wm
Guess you mean VM. Also nice meme. If you set up Kali as main system, it works just as nice as Debian.

>>56130432
Aptitude vs apt-get has literally nothing to do with
>know what you are doing

>>56130395
>>56130432
Kek if you are using arch you can remove fucking transmission-gtk without removing your desktop environment.

Tell me transmission and MATE is in the same meta package. Fuck off

>>56130664
I can remove transmission-gtk

>>56130661
It has since aptitude resolves depencies issues more retard friendly than apt. With apt you need to know what you do, with aptitude you get [y/n] solution suggestions.

>>56130639
Troll? I bought this 790 dollar Lenovo today just for playing with Kali.

>>56130664
Transmission is part of a few DEs full metapackages. But if you remove transmission it will remove the des metapackage but not the de.

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>>56130678
Sure thing buddy, I'd rather use pacman

>>56130694
hahaha

>>56130697
>Transmission is a part of MATE
lol "*buntu is bloated"

>>56130701
>he doesn't know how linux works
hahaha

>>56130701
>oh i know i'll post this meme i found on the internet, take it for gospel and get angry about it
You truly are a fucking moron.

>>56130732
>Runs out of argument
>lol he doesn't know how linux works :-DDDDDDD

Get the fuck out

>>56130701
Another person proving the stereotype that arch users only think about ubuntu and arch. Also see >>56130697

>>56130701
see >>56130697
learn how things work

>>56130754
Nice infographic bud

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>>56130742
>i know i'll post this meme i found on the internet

>>56130759
See >>56130730

>>56130765
It's a pity you don't understand what you are trying to argue about, it would make it much more interesting.

I guess the problem is, newcomers browse /g/ and see all the cool people using Arch. They want to be cool so, so they install Arch as their first distro, which results in a lot of Arch users who don't really understand how things work. Because they're all underage, they also act toxic, which results in a "toxic" Arch community, also known as cool kids. Other people browsing /g/ want to be cool too and here the circle of hell is closing.

>>56130730
>>56130776
That has nothing to do with apt, buntu, debian or even the de, aptitude and apt-get give you a choice to install recommended packages and there are several metapackages for desktop environments with different amounts of included programs. Try both
sudo aptitude install --no-install-recommends gnome-core
And
Sudo aptitude install task-gnome-desktop

>>56130755
>Want to uninstall transmission
>"lol remove de"
>"lol learn how it workzz"
>"lol a torrent client is now a meta package of a fucking DE"

I'd actually be okay if I was going to remove Ktorrent from KDE

But transmission from MATE? L M A O

>>56130792
>""lol learn how it workzz"
*yawn*
0/10

>>56130809
found the ubuntu user

>>56130718
I figured it out, it's not fucking apt-get dist-upgrade it's just apt-get update and that solve it for me.

>>56130828
It doesn't remove the DE you colossal fucking retard, it removes the metapackage but keeps your DE in tact.

>>56130828
>hey mom what happens if I remove a meta package
retard alert

>>56130825
Yeah, KDE has core packages in Arch as well.
However you actually can remove Ktorrent without removing plasma-meta package in Arch

>>56130852
> keeps your DE in tact.
>"ubuntu-mate-desktop"

>>56130863
see>>56130730

I'm running Kali Linux on a Lenovo Yoga 500.

>Touch screen works perfectly
>Absolutely not a single driver issue
>Wi-fi out of the box working
>Mouse works perfectly
>No lagg while scrolling webpages
>i5
>8gbram
>128gb ssd

What locations with free wi-fi do i take it to? Starbucks? McDonalds? Should i go wardriving?

What shall i do with my new toy G?

>>56130765
This really is a bad thing

Metapackages are supposed to give you an easy way to install and remove everything that comes with them

If removing one part removes the whole metapackage, and the metapackage is set up right otherwise, there goes your easy way out for getting rid of all the useless, half-functional crap that comes with a linux DE.

No wonder debian users end up installing arch from scratch

>>56130877

A meta-package is an empty package, which pulls other packages. If you remove a package installed by a meta package, the meta package isn't intact anymore, that's why that meta package gets removed. Since you only remove a empty package, you don't remove your DE.

>>56130877
>I don't know what removing a meta package does

>>56130877
That's why pacman is worse than apt. It makes you believe that things are intact while they actually aren't.

>>56130732
>>56130742

>being that mad

>>56130891
>>56130896
>intact

>>56130907
>isn't intact

*yawn*

Try harder

>>56130877
>sticks fingers in ears
>"la la la la la la"

>local anon discovers the best package manager

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>>56130920
>tfw you run out of arguments

>>56130939
Obviously portage.
>git style
>license filtering
>USE flags

miles away from pacboy ant aptidude

>>56130886
You can just not be a retard and use debian without fucking shit up. Fucking up debian is hard enough to fuck up.

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>>56130946
ENJOY YOUR BROKEN DEPENDENCY DEBQUEEN

Is there an equivalent of pacman -Rs on Ubuntu?

>>56130980
it's not me having a problem bud

>>56130980
>being a 12 year old arch memer
>>>/dailyhaha/

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>>56130998
Aww he mad

>>56130966
Or apt can not be retarded and preserve metapackages when their dependencies are removed

>>56130993
That's the point. They only people who hate on apt for being shite are Arch users. Tells a lot about competence.

>>56131021
What? Am l not using *buntu (The better Debian)?
:-DDDDD

>>56131018
Go read a book about how package systems work. This is a friendly thread, we don't like stupid troll memers like you.

>>56131047
Where do I find a book on "Retarded dependency management that removes GNOME shell if I remove gnome games"?

>>56131047
*arch users

>>56130886
>O shit I am missing that metapackage from ages ago
>sudo aptitude install <metapackage> && sudo aptitude remove <metapackage>
>that was not a problem after all
>next time I am just gonna use <DE>-core or a WM and the actual packages I want because by now I know which programs I like best

>>56131021
I hate apt because it's chock full of arcane config files and --long-option cancer for temporary config variables instead of CONFIG_OPTION=yes apt

it's a very anti-UNIX program. Fits, since debian calls itself "GNU's Not UNIX/Linux" like a bunch of fucking commies.

>>56131079
>next time I am just gonna use <DE>-core or a WM and the actual packages I want because by now I know which programs I like best
You are implying most *buntu and debqueens don't install the vanilla live desktops

If I am installing packages from the scratch I'd just use Arch

>>56131079
>Install metapackage
>installs the one or two programs you removed that killed the metapackage
>remove metapackage
>reinstall half of the metapackage using another metapackage
efficiency!

workarounds don't excuse flaws.

the metapackage system is a fucking retarded way to group packages

>>56131020
That doesn't work because it is a metapackage that pulls things and will show up as broken if you use a decent package manager.
>>56131090
Aptitude has a setting for it. It's even in the TUI if you are too retarded to find it by RTFM.

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>>56131090
>commies
Do you even know what communism is, kid.

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>>56131079
>Remove torrent client
>Have to install meta package

>Remove Mail client
>Have to install "Full gnome desktop environment"


>MUH METAPACKAGES
Now is the perfect time to kill yourself

>suspend mode in xubuntu causes mouse cursor to disappear
what a fucking joke

>>56131139
How many times do we need to explain that removing a meta package doesn't remove your DE?

>>56131103
Installing packages from scratch is hella comfy on debian, either git clone <link> && cd <name> && sudo checkinstall or just source-install if it's in the repo or if it's a weird one I just read the pkgbuild.
If by from scratch you mean installing non-meta packages then aptitude is superior again because it uses intuitive flags.

>>56131166
See >>56131018

>>56131181
Too bad being too dumb to use this site isn't against the rules.
Your shitty screenshot proves the others right, not you.

>>56131159
use MATE

>>56131112
>It's a setting!
>It has a curses TUI!

So you agree with me!

Apt is bloated shit.

At least it's not pacman where simple features are put in wrappers 'cuz any bloat is too much bloat

>>56131209
Screenshot says it'll remove full GNOME desktop environment

Stay in denial

>>56131231
That's the name of the metapackage. Git gud before posting here again.

Maybe I am late in this conversation

but where exactly does it say it's meta? I mean there's no "-meta" flag here, what retarded shit is this?

>>56131230
>apt and aptitude are the same thing
>you absolutely have to use the tui if you want to use aptitude
You are wrong on so many levels.

>>56131279
1: They're both bloated.
2: Having a TUI at all is bloat.

>>56131273
In the package description.

>>56121647
Then what is GNU/Linux
It's no different from GNU/Emacs, Stallman just likes to put his name on things

>>56131231

Description: Full GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra components
 This is the GNOME Desktop environment, an intuitive and attractive
 desktop, with extra components.
 .
 This metapackage depends on the standard distribution of the GNOME
 desktop environment, plus a complete range of plugins and other
 applications integrating with GNOME and Debian, providing the best
 possible environment to date.

>>56131304
> package description.
So every time someone has to remove anything has to look if it's meta or not by opening up another terminal?

>>56131297
Says the guy using a DE and probably even the default arch kernel.
If you want to shill a package manager, at least use a good one like portage or guix, not trash like pacman.

>>56131321
Does the actual DE become orphaned if you remove the GNOME?

>>56131314
>his name
He isn't linus
>>56131327
If you have used debian for more than a day you know all major metapackages by heart because there's only very few of them.

>>56131358
If you remove the metapackage manually and not by removing part of the contents it will remove all packages in it.

>>56131364
>you gotta know all major metapackages by heart
Epic package repo, guyzz

Any body have a good "how to" where is explained how I install the grub2 loader on my Laptop with UEFI?
I want dual boot with win8.1 and Debian.

>>56131327
either that or you just have a basic understanding of what would be removed if you uninstall a certain package (usually any meta-packages it is part of and the libraries it depends on, unless they are used elsewhere still)

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>I have a false shadow border around my WIFI dropdown menu and my RedShift dropdown menu
>Just installed Compton as well
Is this because of conflicting software of sorts? Can anyone tell me how to fix it? I also had a false border around my gedit window before but I omitted it in compton.conf

>>56131314
GNU is the fucking OS. Calling it anything else is absolutely moronic. Calling it "Linux" is completely wrong, because Linux is a kernel, not the OS. Calling it "GNU/Linux" is just clumsy and silly thinking that you even have to mention the damn kernel when you say what your OS is; if someone wanted to know what kernel you run, they would fucking ask you, and it doesn't matter that Linux isn't part of GNU, you still don't mention it as part of the answer to "what is your OS?" My OS is GNU. Plain and fucking simple.

Stop calling it "Linux", and stop calling it "GNU/Linux" or "GNU+Linux" unless someone asks you "what kernel do you use under GNU?"

>>56131385
I got a quest for you, tell me which packages in arch are bundled with libraries, which ones are dependent on nonfree packages and which are nonfree.

>>56131314
Stallman wrote Emacs you literal retard

>>56131314
GNU/Linux is a popular software bundle that mostly includes the linux kernel and GNU's software, and uses GNU's software for major system functions

Linux is another bundle that contains so much more than just GNU, and uses non-GNU software for major system functions. It's just called Linux because the name would be a mile long otherwise.

>>56131408
>which are nonfree packages and which are nonfree.
Who cares again?

>>56131432
>w-who cares if my packaging system is retarded, at least I'm not a f-freetard

>>56131383
>If you remove the metapackage manually
What's the difference? If you are removing a package does it matter if you are doing it manually or automatically

does antergos respects muh freedoms ?

>>56131404
I'll stick to calling it linux like every other sane person in the world.

>>56131404
Oh so we just let the FSF claim they wrote software they had nothing to do with, as usual
>I run GNU
>>56131411
Just like he "wrote" Linux
>What you're refering to as Linux is in fact GNU/Linux
GNU had nothing to do with Linux, he's just taking credit, as usual, the toejam eating freetard

>>56131464
use arch-anywhere or architect

>>56131451
No, really. Are you saying you don't run any non-free codes in your system?

Also not having -meta flag (which almost all distros have) is pretty damn retarded in my book

>>56131463
He meant if you do apt remove <some metapackage> it will remove everything belonging to it

>>56131465
if you worked with embedded systems engineers or anyone who actually uses Linux, you'd quickly realize why GNU/Linux is the proper name of your OS

>>56131484
Wait, do metapackages remove everything?

>>56131493
GNU and the GNU Devs did not write Linux
Why the hell do freetards keep memeing that they did?

>>56131493
That's precisely why I couldn't care less what you or they call it. I'm a home computer user who uses linux.

>>56131464
No, but parabola does if you are after that, and the community is rather helpful.

>>56131510
Sometimes I'm asking myself if there are really so many memers, or if people actually don't know what GNU and Linux is.

>>56131465
>sane
>not knowing the difference in an OS and a kernel

>>56131469
>FSF
The FSF didn't write shit, it's GNU that wrote the fucking OS, kid.

Also, there's no "claim" at all. We're naming our fucking OS. The OS is GNU. Unambiguously. We're not discussing the kernel, we're discussing the OS. The OS isn't the kernel. Just because we're not naming the kernel doesn't mean that we're somehow >implying that the people that wrote the OS wrote the fucking kernel.

Just call the OS by its real name. GNU. Plain, simple, short, no BS. GNU.

>>56131505
Your trolling is so tedious.

>>56131482
I don't actually, and everything works fine.
It's pretty obvious that those are metapackages.

>>56131545
>GNU
>not an FSF project

>>56131545
>not knowing the difference in an OS and a kernel
I know exactly what the difference is, I just don't care about you politics. Linux is the name most people use and is the name everyone understands, it's fine.

>>56131545
>ust because we're not naming the kernel doesn't mean that we're somehow >implying that the people that wrote the OS wrote the fucking kernel.
>GNU/Linux
>GNU/Linux
>GNU/Linux
>GNU/Linux
>GNU/Linux
>I would just like to interject for a moment
>GNU/Linux

>>56131560
>Obvious
You were saying you gotta know them by heart and I don't see any flags to make it "obvious"

>No non free codes
Time to use a real world laptop I guess

>>56131404
GNU is not the fucking OS, not anymore

GNU is mere part of the greater OS.

>A base system:
>kernel
>systemd and friends
>polkit
>glibc and other GNU libraries depended on by the above (<-GNU!)
Completely interchangable with zero repercussions below this line
>tty service (agetty, mgetty, these usually aren't GNU)
>dash (/bin/sh)
>ed
Completely optional below this line
>bash (user shell or /bin/sh)
>coreutils (Essential functions are always shell builtins)
>text editors that aren't vi

Everything else, like the software you actually use to do work, web servers and so on, are almost never GNU, and don't count towards the OS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDxMJQLXmBE

>>56131594
Try running a busybox system without being a complete cripple.

>>56131581
>sponsoring something means you did it all yourself
Sigh.

>>56131586
It's sad that this is true, but I really wish people would change this.

>>56131594
So you want to call it GNU/Linux/systemd/polkit/etc? Or do you want to call it BY ITS CORE OPERATING SYSTEM NAME, WHICH IS GNU?

I'm starting to think that the kids on /g/ have no idea what an operating system is.

>>56131524
>I'm a home computer user who uses linux.
now that's something we can agree on.
>I use Linux
is a true statement

>I use Linux as my operating system
is not (usually)

Using GNU/Linux here.
What's the issue here?

>>56131404
>>56131545
I agree that, ideally and rationally, it should be called GNU rather than Linux (or GNU/Linux), but I think people stick with Linux because it's already been decided culturally across the globe such that there's no turning back at this point.

You can have fun explaining yourself when you talk to nearly anyone or comment online, but I'm not gonna subject myself to that over such an insignificant problem.

>>56131632
I don't pretend to be a dinosaur so I rarely use shit like sed, awk, and grep. I just use perl or an interactive editor for everything that can't be done with a shell builtin.

Perl alone takes up fewer resources than having a hundred different tools for different text editing tasks. The "binary tools as stdlib" idea was, uh, not a very great idea.

>okay guys, so we'll have
>grep sed awk head tail cut sort....

>>56131644
But the core operating system is definitely not GNU! THE CORE OPERATING SYSTEM IS HALF GNU AT BEST

THE UNIX USERLAND IS GNU, BUT IT'S COMPLETELY FUCKING INESSENTIAL AND INTERCHANGABLE WITHOUT ANY PROBLEMS BECAUSE IT'S ALL WRITTEN TO OPEN STANDARDS

>>56131594
You're missing the point. Surely today there are a lot of more projects, but back in the days, GNU was the only way to have a free operating system. People called it "GNU", then Linux came out and people added it to GNU. If someone was using the new kernel, they said "you're using Linux?" - "Yes". Back in the days, people talked about the kernel, but today people talk about distributions, so either you call the distributions by their name or you say GNU/Linux when you want to point out your core system - or you say GNU/kFreeBSD when you're using that kernel, or GNU/whatever for other kernels - but only when the kernel is important, if not, the distro is enough for people to know.

>>56131589
It is obvious because they are called things like task-gnome-desktop, gnome-core or gnome-desktop-environment (just as an example).
I do use a real world laptop, but I rarely use it, I mostly use my desktop computer, I have specifically choosen the parts and assembled it to work fine without contrib or nonfree.

>>56131644
>I'm starting to think that the kids on /g/ have no idea what an operating system is.
I think you need to take a look at your own definition.
You can't have an OS without a Kernel, but you know what, I'm running Linux right now, I'll delete the Linux kernel and try to boot to the gnu coreutils, yeah that'll work just fucking fine you unbelievable waste of human life, don't ever fucking use a computer again you hamfisted moron

>>56131644
Nigga what are you talking about, GNU copyright belongs to the FSF
Both were created by Stallman for the same purpose anyway

>>56131734
You forget that the techincal aspect isn't really stallman's issue, it's about the ideology. See: >>56131615 RMS doesn't want any credit; it's all about freedom.

>>56131644
GNU WAS MADE BY THE FSF AS A FREE ALTERNATIVE TO UNIX YOU FUCKING PAVEMENT APE

>>56131400
no one??

It's more of a double back shadow.

>>56131734
That might have been true when you could at least say your init and all its scripts would stop working until fixed if you removed or replaced GNU, that your ACPI scripts were bash, that your hotplug scripts were bash

Now GNU's libraries play second fiddle to systemd and other freedesktop shit, things that used to be scripts (often bash+coreutils) are config files read by FDO/RH software, and system management normally done through chopping up info from proc and sys using GNU's tools is done through systemctl.

Redhat has been steadily relegating most of GNU to a compatibility layer

I don't think you can honestly say "I use GNU/Linux" unless you use gentoo sans systemd or hold fast as a UNIX cultist that defines an OS as "something like UNIX".

>>56131644
>I'm starting to think that the kids on /g/ have no idea what an operating system is.
You're taling about yourself?
Linux is as kernel a operating system, but incomplete.
GNU is a operating system, but incomplete.

Put them together and you have a complete and working operating system.

Systemd, X or Firefox aren't operating systems.

>>56131837
Also GNOME is probably the last non-emacs* holdout for calling it GNU/Linux, but it's even more optional than the rest of GNU

*yes, if emacs is your primary tool i won't deny your right to call it GNU/Linux

>>56131856
>UNIX cultist

>>56131793
>RMS doesn't want any credit
>GNU/Linux
>GNU/Linux
>GNU/Linux
>GNU/Linux
>GNU/Linux
>I am Richard Stallman and not only do I get to redefine the word free
>But I also get to claim software I did not write under my own banner by associating it with the GNU project, creating the false impression in people's minds that I actually matter

>>56131646
Whether you think it is true or not, you know my meaning. Perhaps if the had not given gnu such a stupid sounding name people would be more willing to namedrop it.

Why do newcomers always need to debate between "Just Linux" and "GNU/Linux"? Just don't be such fragile crying babies and learn when people interject you. Also watch Revolution OS and learn something about history.

>>56131964
>not pedantic
>must be new

>>56131314
I wrote this post
>>56131411
>>56131469
>>56131510
>>56131588
>>56131769
>>56131811
>>56131901
I wrote all these posts trying to troll the thread, I didn't mean to start a fucking flamewar
This is FGLT guys, other than DPT this is the only good thread on /g/, don't do this

>>56131901
RMS doesn't redefine the word free, he helps people to understand what freedom actually means: Not being under control.

Most people today think freedom is to "do whatever I want", but when you put yourself in chains, you aren't free.

>But I also get to claim software I did not write under my own banner by associating it with the GNU project, creating the false impression in people's minds that I actually matter
So after your logic, Linus wrote GCC, the Clib and the coreutils?

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>>56131314
>>56131411
>>56131469
>>56131510
>>56131588
>>56131769
>>56131811
>>56131901

>>56129314
>whole framework instead of only a graphical toolkit
>doesnt break compatibility (GTK did that even from minor to minor versions)
>more maintainers, helpful community
>not developed by cancerous "we know better than the users"-gnome devs
>doesnt feel like its made for KDE like GTK feels like its made for GNOME
>better cross-platform support

>>56132205
This, mostly
GTK 2 was good but GNOME devs drove GTK 3 into the ground

>>56131964
i've been here for 8 years and retarded pseudo-communists still want to misappropriate an entire operating system because one particular brand used to hold claim to most of the significant programs

>>56132072
you're not in chains if you don't have the source.

you're in chains if you're not allowed to keep the source (means of production) just so people can have an easier time fucking with your shit.

>yes and with that computer i'd like a soldering iron and full schematics to make it easier for me to modify it and harder for you to monetize it, thereby robbing you of the capital of socio-economic mobility and a pleasant life so i can make the businesstronic 5000 run doom
>"no, figure it out yourself"
>HELP I'M BEING OPPRESSED

So I've got a bunch of straight fucked computers Im trying to put Ubuntu on, because normies will be using them and my company refuses to buy windows or let me put pirated copies on. These bastard machines wont even start the live USB I made. Its not the USB, because I can boot it on my computer no problem. Says something along the lines of "couldn't mount loop0 to filesystem", and the latest error I can see is something to do with the Windows NTFS partition being critical or some shit.

Im thinking I just pull out the drives, hook them up to a USB adapter, format everything, make two partitions, make one of them the live disc, and then install to the larger partition. Would that work, and is there a more efficient way of doing it?

>>56132205

>>whole framework instead of only a graphical toolkit
I think you got that the other way around.

>>doesnt break compatibility (GTK did that even from minor to minor versions)
They never claimed the theming side was stable. That's the only thing which "broke compatibility."

>>more maintainers, helpful community
[citation needed], anecdotal evidence

>>>not developed by cancerous "we know better than the users"-gnome devs
[citation needed]

>>>doesnt feel like its made for KDE like GTK feels like its made for GNOME
How is GTK made for GNOME? I use GTK programs outside of GNOME and they work perfectly fine.

>>better cross-platform support
GTK works on Windows and Mac too.

I want to limit the storage space for a program, it does not have a way to monitor its self.
Is there a way to use quota, but for a single folder? (/opt/program), instead of using it for the entire mount point?

>>56132617
GTK has never aid anything related to user control was stablr

GNOMEs' developers have been very clear that they do not want you to use anything but their "expertly designed" defaults

>How is GTK made for GNOME? I use GTK programs outside of GNOME and they work perfectly fine.
GNOME is regularly deprecating old gtk features that no longer fit or run counter to gnome's terribly retarded HIG.

>>56132617
>how is gtk made for gnome

Yeah and how is VTE not made for gnome when the devs refuse to expose existing features because gnome terminal doesn't need them, necessitating the vte-ng fork

I recently switched from Windows 7 to Manjaro and I am liking it so far, but the font in Firefox is different and I don't know how to change it to how it is on Windows 7. I tried looking it up and I installed ms-fonts and tried changing the font in preferences, but it won't apply in Firefox.

What am I doing wrong or what should I be doing? I'm still somewhat new to all of this.

I used Ubuntu for several years until my laptop died a few years ago, moved to Windows because my replacement came with it, now I'm getting a new computer and I'm not forking out $100 for Windows. What would be a good distro for me to get back into Linux with? I want up to date packages, I don't want unity, I want a system that will mostly keep out of my way. Ubuntu? Debian? Fedora? Arch? Crunchbang? Mint?

These fucking font names make no fucking sense REEEEEEEEE!

$ ls /usr/share/fonts/tewi-font
Tewi-bold-11.bdf  Tewi-normal-11.bdf  Tewi2a-bold-11.bdf  Tewi2a-normal-11.bdf  fonts.dir  fonts.scale
$ cat /usr/share/fonts/tewi-fonts/fonts.dir
4
Tewi-bold-11.bdf -lucy-tewi-bold-r-normal--11-90-75-75-p-58-iso10646-1
Tewi-normal-11.bdf -lucy-tewi-medium-r-normal--11-90-75-75-p-58-iso10646-1
Tewi2a-bold-11.bdf -lucy-tewi2a-bold-r-normal--11-90-75-75-p-58-iso10646-1
Tewi2a-normal-11.bdf -lucy-tewi2a-medium-r-normal--11-90-75-75-p-58-iso10646-1
$ fc-cache -fv
/usr/share/fonts: caching, new cache contents: 0 fonts, 5 dirs
/usr/share/fonts/tewi-fonts: caching, new cache contents: 4 fonts, 0 dirs
fc-cache: succeeded
$ fc-list
/usr/share/fonts/tewi-font/Tewi-normal-11.bdf: Tewi:style=Regular
/usr/share/fonts/tewi-font/Tewi-bold-11.bdf: Tewi:style=Bold
/usr/share/fonts/tewi-font/Tewi2a-bold-11.bdf: Tewi2a:style=Bold
/usr/share/fonts/tewi-font/Tewi2a-normal-11.bdf: Tewi2a:style=Regular

What do I have to type in my config files to use it in URxvt and i3? -lucy-tewi-medium-r-normal--11-90-75-75-p-58-iso10646-1 doesn’t work and that’s what every ricing guide says.

>>56132747
Which DE did you choose?

>>56132849
KDE.

How many of you started with a "noob" distro on your main system and slowly became comfortable with something more minimal like Arch/Void/Manjaro in a VM until you were comfortable enough to migrate that setup onto your main system?

>>56132760
>I want up to date packages, I don't want unity, I want a system that will mostly keep out of my way.
Manjaro is legitimately good at being up-to-date and staying out of your way. The SSL certificate thing was outside of the Manjaro devs' control and unrelated to the quality of the distro.

>>56132845
Welcome to the XLFD/XFT/FT2 clusterfuck

try the xft:Font:pixelsize=00 style instead

>>56132914
Thanks mang, will give it a go

>>56132897
I guess everyone?

Tried Ubuntu from USB, everything worked, so I wiped Windows completly and went balls deep into Ubuntu and after some of learning, I got Debian. I guess I'll stay here for a while.

>>56132617
>I think you got that the other way around.
No I didn't.

>They never claimed the theming side was stable. That's the only thing which "broke compatibility."
Several applications broke on some minor releases, including a small private project I did.

>[citation needed], anecdotal evidence
Number of commits and number of developers are publicly known. Also thats not only my experience, but you can find this opinion in several texts of other developers, one of them beeing Linus' co developer of Subsurface

>[citation needed]
what do you want a citation for? again: the list of people who commited to GTK is available and the perception of GNOME-devs not caring about their users is the experience of not only me, but many others aswell

>How is GTK made for GNOME? I use GTK programs outside of GNOME and they work perfectly fine.
I never claimed it is de-jude made for GNOME, but the developers are the GNOME developers and the backwards compatibility is constantly getting thrown in the trash while GTK is getting more and more GNOME oriented

>GTK works on Windows and Mac too.
With less native look-and-feel than Qt. Also there isnt only Windows, OSX and the Linuxdistros. A list of natively supported systems can be found openly for both GTK and Qt

rms please go

>>56131594
>"systemd and friends"
>implying systemd is obligatory

>>56132845
x: get them via xfontsel
xft: get them via fc-list

>>56133172
If you don't have it, most things won't work. Wayland is getting a dependency on it soon

>>56123974
>echo "1" > /sys/devices/system/cpu/intel_pstate/no_turbo 1

Add this line to /etc/rc.local.
It's a script file that gets executed once, upon boot, every time you boot. It's not much of a fix, but it will run every time you boot so you won't have to think about it.

I do this same thing to fix the annoying Debian bs with the Caps_Lock/CtrlL_Lock in Debian derivatives, like Mint.

>>56132617
https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/gnome-et-al-rotting-in-threes/

this is also worth a read

>>56132845
>tewi
Are you still a trap, Lucy? I hope the Netherlands have been treating you well as I haven't been on irc in many years

Can anyone know if there is still a way to make a bootable usb that will work on a mac?
I've been looking around and I've tried various methods (Mac Linux USB Loader, Manually dding the iso to a flash drive, converting the iso to a dmg and then putting it on the drve, etc.) but none of them seem to work. In a few cases I was able to boot from the drive but then I couldn't click on anything and I couldn't even pull up the terminal with the keyboard shortcut.
I'm assuming all these methods are just outdated somehow but idk. Does anyone have a bootable linux usb that currently works with macs?
I know I could just use a VM, but I'm trying not to use anymore space up on my hard drive cuz I have less then 5gb left of space and I'm too broke to afford a new computer.

>>56133098
I meant more like starting out with a user-friendly DE environement in a popular, well-supported distro and then tinkering around with building your own environment inside a VM while actually learning Linux.

Someone explain QT and GTK to me. Is one better than the other. Do I use software built on both or should I choose one and go with it?

>>56133407
Both are good, if you are not a frontend dev try to ignore it

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>>56132476
maybe try DBAN first? before you start messing with hardware

>>56133767
Eh, already started. The plan is working good so far. Got a good little assembly line going here.