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first for heresy

>>56064117
You are probably correct on the majority of what you are saying but I can confirm that you can get from an Enabled and Not Activated state to a Permanently Disabled state without remote code execution or an unlock key.

>Flashing an updated BIOS doesn't change this either so forget it
yup, Same applies for the BIOS password. Need to short in order to remove the password.

>Coreboot/Libreboot
It would most likely be coreboot since Libreboot does not support anything past the 2008 era due to changes in the way ME is baked in. Also, I wonder if there is any way to force a reflash/wipe of the security chips (similar to the shorting procedure used for the supervisor password)

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>>56064392
I will commence the dump

>>56064457
Please do not do this

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>>56064457

>>56064457
>>56064473
STOP THIS

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>>56064473

>>56064487
>>56064470
Tell it to Gookovo

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>>56064500

>>56064524
>>56064500
>>56064473
>>56064457
I appreciate that Lenovo keep the thinkpad quality with SOME of their thinkpads but why do they stain the name by putting it on literally not-thinkpad laptops as well?

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>>56064524

>>56064331
Why thinkpads and not toughbooks?
jw

Guy who was gonna buy the thinkpad twist for $50. It went through and I'm a part of the thread now. It's in good condition and the BIOS has no password.

Putting Debian Testing and later Gentoo on it.

>>56064433
>I can confirm that you can get from an Enabled and Not Activated state to a Permanently Disabled state without remote code execution or an unlock key

Right, that's why I said so. I've set mine to Permanently Disabled on all Thinkpads I've owned.

I always assumed core/libreboot just disabled any communication in or out from the Computrace security chip but otherwise left it alone.

Flashing/reflashing/shorting? I have no idea but if it was easy as shorting it you'd think it would be common knowledge. If there's a way to do it, somebody's done it. Whether that methodology is documented and accessible to the average DIYer I dunno. I've never cared enough to research any further but I wish you luck.

Where's the best place to buy a 9 cell battery? On ebay I could get one for under $20, but people keep saying only buy genuine Lenovo batteries.

Does it really matter?

>>56064590
bulky, expensive, shit keyboards

>>56064625
chink batteries tend to wear out very quickly, and they tend to lie about their capacities too.
I've never had any problems with chink batteries though, probably because I usually sell my thinkpads before I've had them for a year, and I don't use them as my primary machine.

>>56064392
Heretical in feature set (or lack thereof) but you can't say education line models aren't durable:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUkt5KL7lb0

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>>56064590
Not sure honestly. It probably has to do with Thinkpads being more readily available compared to tbks. Toughbooks are much better now that Gookovo has started making garbage that spits on any design principles of the Thinkpad line. My next laptop is a Panasonic. I'm not dealing with what the line is becoming anymore

>Other business laptops are also welcome in /tpg/ (e.g. Dell Latitude/Precision, HP EliteBook/ZBook).
Toughbooks should be added to the list

I was going to try to get my desktop up and running again with the $380 I have but then I'd have to buy used sandy bridge since I own a lga1155 board so I guess ill get a thonkpad and do the pc in October when I get my school money. Any business laptop models with at least 1600x900 and enough battery to get through the school day in my price range? I'd like to have enough left over for a $40 ssd and a ram upgrade.

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>>56064572

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>>56064749
>AMD cpu

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>>56064749
I 600€ from my workplace to buy a new laptop for private use. Too little for a proper thinkpad, but I have an e450 now and even though I wish I could use a t420 or x220, this thing is still pretty nice. I can't imagine how good the real deal must be

>>56064727
>not easy to find parts/service manuals
>expensive
>shitty keyboards
>used units would have been treated like shit/had a rough life

Maybe some of the downsides you should consider.

>>56064900
>. Too little for a proper thinkpad
the proper thinkpad is a used one

Someone mentiones burn-in/persistence on x220 IPS panels in the last thread.

Is that an actual problem? If yes, are there screens known not to suffer from it?

I plan to upgrade the TN panel on my x220 some time, because the viewing angles really are quite painful. I'm not sure I'd trade it for burn-in though, especially since I *had* that problem on my last notebook and it's annoying as hell.

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>>56064920
yeah, unfortunately all true although you can get some lightly used units on shitbay for cheap

I passed the chance up to get a CF-C2 for 300USD a while ago. Regretting it

the model in the post you replied to is not even a toughbook and has no presence on the western market
Shame really since it's a great ultraportable

>>56064611
> I've never cared enough to research any further but I wish you luck.
Either have I since I never had to deal with a locked BIOS or Activated+Enabled. Was just wondering in general about the current state of these things. Thanks for the input anyways

Leaving Resolution and weight aside, what are the differences between X220 and T420?

Temperature, upgrading possibilities, TN screen quality, common problems, etc.

>>56064978
http://www.dynamism.com/top-notebooks/panasonic-rz-series.shtml

>$2799.00 - $4199.00
>for a Skylake Core M

More fucking overpriced than Macs

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>>56065087
it's not officially on any western market so the only place you will find it is on meme sites like that one that charge stupid prices

it's a decent machine minus the keyboard, what a Thinkpad should have been if Gookovo didn't choose to fuck the line
>16:10 IPS tablet convertible
>good port selection
>removable battery
>Panasonic build/part quality
>very light

>>56065032
ips, soldered cpu, two drives instead of three

>>56065032
X220 - possibility of IPS panel

T420 - slightly better cooling system, upgradable CPU

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Copying the files I want to keep off of my T420 so I can wipe it later today. I'm probably going to install Arch, Ubuntu is a big mess now on my computer now.

>>56065366
>>56065290
I can tell a X220 is IPS by the TYPE code?

What other differences are there?

>>56064937
Work insisted that I buy new :( it's better than a consumer model I guess..

>>56065603
>buy new laptop
>show invoice
>don't open the box
>resell
>buy memepad

>>56065007
Sure thing.

I only encountered one in close to a dozen ThinkPad purchases - a 15" T60p that was going to be the donor for my T601F. Came with Computrace enabled/activated and I just sort of ignored it and set it up as a test box until I had collected the other parts I needed. Worked fine for a while. Left it on one night about 2 weeks later and it was toast the next morning. Didn't care since I didnt want or need the mobo anyway.

>>56065541
The last pastebin link has a link to lookup specs by type. IIRC it will be designated as the "premium" screen if it has it.

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w530 user here.

1600x900
2 500gig 7200rpm drives
24gigs ram
quadro k2000m
3610qm (plan to upgrade to 3940xm eventually)
win7 and debian dualboot w/grub

had it since 2013 and it's fucking amazing.

great keyboard(backlit) wonderful touchpad and buttons.

mediocre speakers (headphones tho) cooling is great.

amazing hinges, tight as shit and haven't done anything to them.

the hotswap bay is nice for hdd checking too. sdcard reader is handy as well.

webcam is ok, not best but it works, mics are stereo and decent.

battery life is about 2 1/2 hrs to 3.

i use it for photoshop, c4d, production and programming.

i prefer thinkpads due to build quality and the look. they look sexy af to me. mine is heavy but i don't mind.

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I just bought my 5th thinkpad!

>>56064545
they've always done this
you just don't realize it because you only focus on the x/t/w models.

>>56065773
I see, thank you.

I hope i can find one or 900p T420 it is then.

>>56065782
>3610qm (plan to upgrade to 3940xm eventually)
why upgrade to a cpu that's just going to be retarded expensive and not that much faster?
why not get like a 3820 or 3840qm and sell your 3610 for about the same price?
also any chance you could try out gta 5 on that meme pad?
I'm thinking about selling my w520 and getting a w530 with the k2000m

Anyone here running the x200? Is the core 2 duo P8400 still useful to use a secondary laptop?

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I got a t440p from work? they recommend fedora, what do you guys?

Hello guys. I'm that annoying guy with the T530 that has been pestering you for the last few days. I managed to fix the thermal paste issue that i had (I was using too much, simple as that) but now I wonder if 48 degrees Celsius while watching a youtube vid and browsing the web is considered a good temperature, or if I should open her back up and try an even thinner layer?

ive gotten no response on the arch forums, so ill ask here too:


my brightness controls (fn+home and fn+end) as well as the sleep button (fn+f4) have stopped working correctly on my t420 with arch and openbox.
the brightness can still go up and down, but the lowest settings just turn off the backlight completely instead of getting dimmer. i can still bring it back up from there though
the sleep button does nothing.
i have no idea what i've done to cause this, as they were all working fine one day and not the next.
acpi_listen sees all of the keys just fine.
if i log in as root (who has nothing installed) they all work perfectly, i suspect because of thinkpad-acpi included in the kernel.
i tried adding

acpi_osi="!Windows 2012"

as well as

acpi_backlight=vendor

,

acpi_backlight=none

and

acpi_osi=Linux

to my boot parameters, but none of them fixed it.
xbacklight gives an error of "No outputs have backlight property," and im not entirely sure how i would fix that.

raising and lowering the brightness does not change /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/actual_brightness, which seems to be locked at 5 (although, again, if i'm logged in as root this does work correctly). it does change /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/actual_brightness, but not in the correct increments. it skips from 443 down to zero.

any help would be appreciated

>>56066058
48 sounds totally fine, i get up to the 60s on my t420 and ive never worried about it

>>56066058
Seems fine, i'm at 48c watching cartoons with mpv right now

>>56066113
>>56066084

Great! I'm certainly happy with it. Gotta say opening my T530 up was such a pleasant experience compared to the clusterfuck that was my HP dv6 notebook's internal layout.

>>56066022
I use an x200 with a p8400 as my main machine, it's great
Mine came with only 2GB memory, but I added an SSD and now it's incredibly responsive, although maybe it's because i'm running debian.
You can't even feel the swap thrashing because it's so fast.

>>56066045
If your co-workers are running Fedora, you should too. Just so it's easier for everybody to help each other troubleshoot.

Unless you meant it's a decommed asset from work that is now your personal machine. In which case, go nuts and distro-hop til you find something you like.

>>56066230
Great, that's good to hear.

It has SATA2 and the max memory is 2x2gb ddr3 sticks right? If everything goes right i'll be getting one and installing Antergos on it.

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Are thinkpads still sexy, /g/?

>>56066459
officially, it's 4GB, but everyone reports success with 8GB

I've been on the fence about upgrading the ram, I'd probably never use it, but it's soooo cheap right now.
I have a 4GB swap and it's only ever half-full.

>>56066006
gotta be EXTREME. and because i'm a sap for shit like that.

i play gta 5 on it when im on the road or w/o my main rig. i run it in windowed mode 1280x800 with no aliasing/low settings and get around 40-60 fps (same when at full res) i just like windowed mode for monitoring specs.

>>56066463
yes. very. i've got 3 of them.

picked up a t61 today for £15, no hard drive and the screen looks like ass (ccfl has worn out presumably)
is there a way to upgrade it to LED or am i just stuck with an ass CCFL screen

>>56066600
just replace the display, it's easier than replacing the lamp.

>>56066600
There's a guy that makes LED retrofit kits for x series who says he'll be producing t series kits soon.

You can replace just the CCFL if you want, there are plenty of places to get them online. Just be careful, getting the alignment correct and not breaking any of the little plastic bits can be challenging.

>>56066551
:/ might not be worth it after all then
because I have a 2012 15" macbook pro and the 650m in there gets about the same frame rates with similar settings, but shadows off.
maybe if I find a good deal i'll go for it.

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looking at buying one of these

http://www.staples.ca/en/Lenovo-X130e-11-6-Refurbished-Laptop-1-3GHz-AMD-E-300-4GB-RAM-320GB-HDD-Windows-10/product_2140155_2-CA_1_20001

Good buy or am I shooting myself in the foot?

>>56065773
>T60p
I would guess that whoever had the computrace subscription for a model that old would have completely given up and forgotten about it by that time

>>56066045
use whatever work supports and documents for
it's a work laptop

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>>56066463
not the current garbage

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>>56065490

ayy

Just got my first thinkpad. Managed to get the 1600x900 model off ebay. Condition and build quality are pristine af.

>>56064599
Very nice deal!

>>56065087
>toughbooks
>overpriced
That's standard pricing. A dell D630 XFR goes for $50+ for parts, $150 to $300 used.

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How's your weekend /g/, Installed LXLE on T430s.
XP on T30, but current not running any wifi because of muh blacklist.

Pixel gots the tunes. :)

>>56066716

well the thing is, it's not a gaming laptop. i knew that when i bought it. i didn't intend playing games on it, i just can and try at times.

i bought it as it was, a mobile workstation for producing, rendering, etc. if wanted a gaming laptop i would have gotten one.

it does fine in games that aren't as intense as gta though. primal carnage, saints row 3&4, overwatch, fractured space, distance, dirt 3&2, tf2, gmod all run well with medium settings.

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E330 Owner Here

i3 3120M
4GB RAM
120GB SSD + 500GB HDD
13.3" Screen Intel HD Graphics

Fucks Given: 0

Only compaint is the screen res, would be nice to have something more than 1366x768 but shouldn't expect a lot for £120 bearing in mind the whole thing is in perfect condition

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>>56067129
Too pricey...
You might as well get an X140e if you're gonna spend that much.
1.3GHz is pretty low as well.
I had an X130e with an AMD E-450 processor, it was sluggish at times but it could handle basic web surfing, just not much.

By comparison I still use my X61T.
It's 1.6GHz L7500 Core 2 duo scores 967, while the E-450 scores 772.
I did like the ruggedness of the X130e, arguably people don't like how big it is, it's bigger than an X220 but with a smaller screen.

Good luck, Canuck.

>>56067129
>AMD-E
Never, those CPUs are shitty as fuck.

>>56064331
Next time, fill the damn subject so people don't have to manually filter.

>>56067929
>filters on gee
the best filter is to block this entire site

Hey guys, I want to post a recommended battery page on dankpads.
please email me at [email protected] or post here.
I want to know where you guys get your batteries from, more info is nice but not needed, but I'd like to know if it was: OEM or third party, for what system, good/bad/shit, and price.
Thanks.

Yoga 14 reporting in.

This shit is the bee's knees.

>>56068017
X200 here, aftermarket batteries I get from Anker, decent quality batteries

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>>56067443
That actually looks pretty decent on paper for a budget line. I'm going to go against the grain here and give you a thumbs up.

>>56068017
>tfw no genuine batteries here
>batteries from china will explode or last one hour at most
fug

>>56067507
That x140e look real nice.
Its hard to find good thinkpads here in canada that are not complete rip off prices.
Ebay is tough too cause lots of people dont ship outside the US and when you do tariffs and shipping eat you alive.
But its all worth it for a good thinkpad!

Just wondering, are there any Thinkpad ripoffs that take the functionality of the old Thinkpads but still use current hardware?

I know this thread is mainly about value, but I just want the old Thinkpad quality, with modern amenities like USB 3.1, NVMe M.2 speeds, better resolution.

I need a work computer for work on construction sites but modern Thinkpads fucking suck SOOOO much.

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help me, /g/, my wallet is moving all on its own

>>56067443
>>56068125
samefag

>>56069750
>Buying an 11E at the Price of a T420

>>56069750
are you mentally retarded or something?
that's nowhere near a good deal, and it's a shit computer.
for the same price you could easily get a t420

I prefer my xubuntu x220t over my desktop with windows 7.

>>56069750
""""""""""""""""""thinkpad""""""""""""""""""

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Is anyone planning to put one together?

I'm going to try sourcing the best looking X61 body to put the mobo into.


Also, please reply to this if you have any updates from the gook forums about a steady supply to western markets. I rather wait than buy from a middle man with a markup

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We in there.

The description said the monitor might have white spots, I don't know what the hell that means or how much that will bother me, but I could always replace the screen.

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>>56069996
nigger

should I go absolute madman with my T420 and get all the batteries?

>>56066065
Jesus nigga, you still haven't sorted that out?
I wish you the best, my man.

I just decided to go with windows 7 because I'm a retard who doesn't want to spend a free day learning gnu/linux instructions.

>>56070585
Me too, i don't want to end up like >>56066065

>>56066022
Been running an x200 for strictly college work. Added ram up to 4gb, cheap ass SSD, and a brand new genuine Lenovo battery $60, fucking ouch.

Amazing laptop. Took it apart to do the thermal paste just the other week. Bought it for $70 at a local pawn shop

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If I ever wanna upgrade the CPU on my T420, should I get a different heatsink? Is there even a better, compatible heatsink for it?

I don't wanna end up like pic related.

I'm about to blow the crap out of the fans and shit with a can of air, then maybe reapply some thermal paste, but my Thinkpad gets to about 85C~ and I use a glass desk. Will the heat maybe cause it to shatter or warp? The glass directly under the PSU is pretty hot.

>>56070265
>L
might want to cancel that order son, cause that's not a real thinkpad™
>>56070585
why win 7 over win 10?
I like the new features of 8/10 far better than being comfy with an old ui
just learn the keyboard shortcuts and don't be autism over "muh nsa spying" and win 10 is nice
>>56070718
it takes a LOT more heat than the fans exhaust or the the psu can put on the table.
glass melts at roughly 14000c
your computer will shut off if it's cpu (not the exhaust, the actual main heat source) is over 105c

Is Kingston a decent enough SSD brand? I work with a local hardware distributor that can get me mad cheap prices on them.

if i were to get a refurbished x230 off of newegg for uni, would i need to upgrade anything on it?
i am not very smart

>>56070779
No.

850 EVO>Sandisk SSD Ultra>SSD Plus>ADATA SP550>>>>Others>>>>Unreliable SSDs>=No Name brands>>>Kingston SSDs>>>SV300>>>PNY SSDs

Intel SSDs are really good too.

>>56071366
>Intel SSD
>letting jews decide when your hardware stops working

Just purchased an x220t, its in the mail now. First thinkpad, pretty excited

>>56070779
yeah they're fine
they are one of the few manufactures of everything in their ssd, so they can usually get pretty good product for really cheap
just avoid the v300 ssd
>>56070891
possibly ram, and then get an ssd and throw that disgusting hard drive in the trash
it's dead simple to replace the ram and hdd in those things. It's literally 6 screws total, and 4 of them are just for the hard drive caddy.
also you will need a usb drive and googling "x230t support" to get the drivers for anything that windows update doesnt get.

Anyone have opinions on the Precision 7510?

>>56072210
well it's definitely not a thinkpad

>>56072237
Besides that?

The no hdmi on x220 is killing me :(
Should I splurge and get a newer thinkpad with top specs or go x220?

>>56072210
looks solid
just know that the keyboard nipple isnt that great on dells.
But the trackpad on my friends e6430 was really good for it being a windows pc
>>56072270
just get a dp to hdmi adapter
and how is no hdmi killing you?
get a real monitor that isnt garbage if you need an external display.

>>56069741
You're better off getting a toughbook, Getac or maybe get a Dell ATG or XFR variant of what they got

Is it REALLY worth it to get an old thinkpad to stream movies on TV or is there anything cheaper ?

What are the first things to do to check a thinkpad is in good conditions?

Stress tests?

About to get my w520 in the mail in about 2-4 days. Tracking says it'll arrive in 4 but the package is really close already.
Did I just make a really good investment? GIt cost 350 flat. Going to be using it for school for the rest of my school career and probably for my career as well.
Specs are 8 gb ram 1080x1920 i7 2760 nvidia 1000

>>56072635
RSS-fed torrents+Plex+Roku is very nice.

>>56072762
I wouldn't call any depreciating asset an investment, but it should serve you well for many years.

>>56072635
Get a Amazon fire stick and put kodi on it

>>56072762
not the best price
I got mine for $240 without psu, 1 gig of ram, and 1600x900
$25 for a used 170 watt adapter, and then I already had 16 gigs of ram lying around, but that's like $50 new.
also if you could run a cpu and gpu stress test for about 30 minutes and tell me if your gpu will fluctuate between 175mhz and 700mhz I'd appreciate it.
I re thermal pasted mine twice, but still the same issue, and it's "only" running at 96c, while the tj max is 100.
>>56072648
just look around the outside, then yeah stress test.
it's kinda hard to break a thinkpad internally, but not externally.
>>56072635
an x201 or x220 should do up to 1080p just fine, and you can get an x201 for about $100, and x220 for about $200

>>56073178
>also if you could run a cpu and gpu stress test for about 30 minutes and tell me if your gpu will fluctuate between 175mhz and 700mhz I'd appreciate it.
What software should I use to measure this? Why 175hz and 700mhz?
I thought it was a decent price because someone posted how much the a decent price would be for w520 few days ago. This was $50 less. The rest on ebay had worse specs and was being sold for $100 more + shipping

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>>56072762

w520 are awesome. It's only slightly larger than the t420, but the native 1080p screen and viewing angles are worth it.

>>56073306
Is that yours? Wow that looks clean. Can't wait til mine arrives desu

>>56073275
I used msi afterburner to measure gpu clock speed and temp.
and I'm not sure why 175 since it seems to go lower, but 700mhz is stock clock speed.
also when I'd underclock it to 600mhz it would run fluctuate between 600mhz and 125.
make sure to use prime 95 and furmark to test

>>56073323

Yeah, only thing is the speaker grills are kind of a pain to clean if anything gets in there.

>>56064524
that backspace/delete positioning is kinda cool actually since the one on the left deletes the character left to the cursor and the one on the right deletes the character right to the cursor.
everything else, including all the missing keys is pure why though.

>>56064524

Escape is in a great place for vim users though

>>56064973
Anyone?

>>56074416
https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/4xivtt/x230_lp125wh2slt1_display_replacement/

What would be a good temperature for web browsing when you have a T530 i5 3230m?

>>56074429
Thanks, I'll keep reading from there

>>56074469
Up to 65 degrees maybe? Ambient is a significant contributor though and as long as it isn't over 70 all the time or burning your ball it shouldn't be too much of an issue

>>56064331
Whats a good notebook for uni?
I need it to view documents writing and programming. It should last me for the next 5 years before getting slow.
Is a thinkpad the best choice? If not whats a better choice for me?
And is 1080 a must have for 13"?
Is 1366x768 enough?
And I dont want to spend to much. ~600€

Looking at maybe buying a new display for my X61 tablet, does the 1400x1050 display mentioned on ThinkWiki have touchscreen or am I just being dumb?

>>56074898
Thinkpad is always best choice for laptop. Just remember to buy second hand.
Go for a x220 for ultraportable or if you want something a bit bigger, a t420

>>56065838
>5th
what use do you have for them ?
I honestly think you need to get a hoby..

>>56074955
Maybe collecting cool tech is his hobby?

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>>56074917
1400*1050 is Wacom only - glass overlay glued to LCD
There's 2 1024*768 models - the regular plastic overlay with gap and the touchscreen overlay
If you were daring enough, you could strip the glass (or the glass fell off because the adhesive failed as many original X61t installations do) and pinch a touchscreen overlay and try to make them work together but it's not my fault if you break it

>>56074955
ThinkPad is the hobby! Though 5 is far from the worst of offenders on this board. There's many well into the double digits

>tfw probably moving to a Surface after they all die

>>56075023
When you say Wacom only, do you mean stylus use only and not touch-enabled? Because the stylus is all I want to use, if that's what you mean.

>>56074946
Why should I buy it second hand?
Could you answer my other questions please I really want to know this things?

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>>56069750
>it used to cost $500
>no trackpoint
>no dedicated buttons for touchpad
>no SSD
>AMD
>still called ThinkPad

>>56074898
T4*0.
Unless you want ultraportable and can live with 12.5" screen (personally I can't - too small for prolonged use IMO) then go for x2*0

>>56075052
>The good ones are not sold first-hand anyway anymore
>MUCH cheaper
>Enviromentally friendly
>Socially responsible
>More durable

>>56075034
Yes. Pen only with no touch capabilities

>>56075052
Because the general idea is that the new ones are shit anyway. Although if you weren't after >ThinkPad then they're not too bad I guess

>>56073306
I want one so bad, too bad nobody near sells one (working). What distro are you using or windows?

>>56075113
>>56075150
ok thanks guys. But if I don't want a thinkpad cause they look like shit what else could you recommend?

>>56075299
Then I would recommend you fuck off out of our general, my friend

>>56075299
Dare to read through documents its literally written in this thread already

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Cool laptop

My thinkpad twist idles at 50C and gets up to 95C under a workload.

Is this bad?

>>56076950
No

Are there any open source (arduino?) projects out there that can reset the supervisor password? I know those aussie guys who made a device but 100 bucks is pretty bullshit imho. Has anyone reverse engineered that stuff?

>>56075070
There is an intel version too.

>>56073178
So a MEMTEST, CPU Stress test only would be enough?

What else is there to check other than for scratches and dead pixels?

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Should I pull the trigger, /tpg/?

>>56077413
what a waste of fucking money

>>56077413
What are you gonna do with it? To me it seems useless except maybe for collector value or hobby projects.

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>>56077495
>>56077524
Wrong image

>>56077596
That looks like a damn good deal desu

>>56077413
Yeah get it anon

>>56074955
>T41
lifted it from the front
GPU detached from the motherboard
>T400
used it in bed, blocking ports
overheated a lot
>blew several fuses on the mobo
>CCFL inverter circuit exploded
>T400 (again)
i treat this one well
>X200
my main machine currently
>T510
convinced a relative to buy thinkpad instead of walmart trash
i'm still waiting for them to pick it up

>>56064524
I can't believe this shit.
BOYCOTT.

W520 or T530

>>56077720
T430

>>56077720

For some reason it's difficult to find a 1080p version of the t530 at a reasonable price, while 1080p w520 are everywhere and cheaper. The w520 has a better keyboard, quad core cpu models are cheap, and have a quadro. The t530 would probably have better battery life though. For the price you'd probably end up with a better w520 than a t530 not considering the keyboard either.

>>56077720
I feel that if you are considering a T530, then you really should just go with the W520.

My x220 cpu keeps overheating. I've cleaned the fan, but it keeps happening. What should be my next step in fixing it? I'm running an i5-2520M, 3.2 ghz cpu

>>56077844
Mmh yea its just the t530 feels so safer because its a later gen but that just bs getting in my head

>>56077868
Mmh yea I really think this would be a better choice for me

>>56077922
reaply thermalpaste

>>56077720
T530.
Ivy Bridge >>>>> Sandy Bridge.
You can always replace the keyboard with T520's one

>>56077956
But screen upgrading costs a lot and i want a quadcore

>>56078053
Then wait for T530 with full hd screen.
Or just get quad core t430.

>>56078068
Mmh fuck well alright thanks

X220 for €155 is a good deal, yes? What should my max bid be on the thing?

>>56078097
No, I mean really. Mobile Sandy Bridge CPUs ARE bad. You'll regret getting W520.

>>56078130
But >>56073306 seems happy with his w520
I need to rely on my cpu so that makes it a dealbreaker anyway.

>>56078053
The T series supports quad cores, but doesn't really have the hardware to handle the extra heat and power that it has.

>>56078177
Sandybridge cpu are worse than Ivybridge cpu, but not by much. If they were inherently bad, 90% of this thread wouldn't be using or reccomending a 20 series Thinkpad.

>>56078130
The only major improvement Ivy Bridge brought was to the iGPU, which is irrelevant on a W series because you've got that bitchin' Quadro.

>>56078130
>>56078270
>>56078333
>>56078448
Thanks I am even more confused now

>>56064500
I want one of these tablets to be quite honest.

where do you guys get your parts? I bought a "new" keyboard for my T420 on ebay and it doesn't feel genuine.

>>56078448
The most important improvement is the 22nm litography instead of housefire 32nm. This means signitifact power consumption decrease and much less heat.
Also iGPU is twice as fast as hd3000 in SB
>buhuu quadro
this will affect battery life. In most situations except 3d HD4000 would be sufficient, but not HD3000. T*20 will swich to quadro even when using only firefox.

>>56078495
significant*
kek

>>56078495
>Firefox
There's your problem. Any CPU would switch to nuclear holocaust mode for that shit.

>>56078480
buy a broken thinkpad for parts and go to town

>>56078517
No you fucking retard. This applies also to IE/Edge/Chrome.
Also kys

>>56078567
Stay mad, you know I'm right. Pleb.

>>56078495
It doesn't make enough of a difference to justify the ~$100 price increase from --20 to equivalent --30 models. Especially when you factor in having to buy a --20 keyboard to swap in too.

>T*20 will swich to quadro even when using only firefox.
Why would you leave it on auto selection? Shit never fucking works right, just have it default to integrated and add exceptions for programs you need the GPU for. Good battery life when you aren't doing intensive shit and all the power you need when you are.

>>56078641
Works fine on my IB-based ThinkPad.
Also IB quad core CPUs are much, much faster than these shitty housefire SB ones.

>>56078698
Your exaggerations are getting tiring. It's a 20% improvement at best.

>>56078772
more like 5% my dude. intel have been sitting on their ass since the sandy bridge days

>>56076950
When I had a twist, it ran pretty hot, its heatsink isn't that powerful.
It runs cooler than a Pixel though, I know that for sure. :P

>>56078480
I buy genuine from eBay...
LaptopAid I use to buy from all the time, good seller.
Who did you buy from?

>>56078130
Please stop spreading FUD.

>>56074955
Post our five thinkpads?
>X61T
Found an near mint SXGA+ model to replace my first thinkpad, currently booting W10, battery needs to be replaced, got a 4GB RAM module to get 6GB RAM.
>T430s
FHD IPS modded, running LXLE on the primary, W10 Ent on the mSATA. This is my most current thinkpad
>T30
Found an SXGA+ model for cheap, removed the bios lock but hard drive is locked, swapped another HDD, currently booting WinXP PE
>E431
Had two of these, currently stuck with the sacrificed unit. Currently has a broken LCD bezel, & missing screen will have to find another dead unit to bring it back to life.
>W500
Hinges started snapping, currently a halftop, thought about how I can modify the frame to fit on a 15" IPS T60 chassis. Might require too much cutting with a dremel tool.

>>56078798
So mr tripcodeguy W520 or T530

>>56077596
>Lenova
Fucking triggered.
I hate that shit.

>>56078901
Here is my ranking order.
>W520 i7 qm Quadro 2000m
>T530 i7/i5 nVidia 5400m
>T530 i5 intel HD 4000
>W520 i7 qm Quadro 1000m
>T530 i7 intel HD 4000
>W520 i5 Quadro 2000m
In earlier threads i talked about getting a deal on a i7qm W530 for $250 and it last for almost 5 hours on battery, dem switchable graphics.

If you need horsepower, Quadro 2000m (not K2000M) is the way to go, however T530's NVS 5400m has better overall benchmarks than a Quadro 1000m

Just be careful if you get a 1080p panel that looks a bit more bluer than usual, you might need to replace if it bothers you.

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>>56075299
If ThinkPads don't look good, then WHAT DOES!!!???

>>56077674
Owning a T400, I've gotten an impression that it's a tender one as well. Some creaky plastic that has been fit rather well.

I had a X200s and it felt a lot more solid.

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>>56079153
netbooks

anons, whats the trick to dual booting in uefi mode on my chinkpad t420??

cannnot get grub to load by default from its own partition and cannnnoooott get windows boot manager to detect that linux and grub are installed on other partitions...

only reason im not wiping drive and fresh installin win7 and loonix in BIOS mode is because of the win7 forever update bug that i dont want to wait tHrough so i cant use my laptop and freetard ganooo/loonix

HELP ME ANONS WHAT IS THE SECRET

do i have to wipe:(

>>56079257
>win7 forever update bug
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3102810
Install this manually, then run the updater and it'll work.

>>56079296

really it wont take 36 hrs to populate the windums upDates if i install that first?

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>>56079296
DUDE! Thank you! Fucking A.

>>56079242
:3

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>>56079153
I don't know how can somebody say that thinkpads don't look good, only one of a simple mind can not see the beauty in its utilitarian approuch in design.

Thinkpads are the most aesthetical pleasing laptops in their category, or at least were, thanks to fucking lenovo, by trying to appeal to the mass of people who look for something light, sleek and minimal aspect. Now thinkpads are no longer the laptops they once were neither the laptop a typical hipster would want. I still have hope they will fix this with the thinkpad retro tho.

>>56078130
sandy bridge is fucking based

>>56079596
Thinkpads was the original BEAUTIFUL BLACK KANGZ of laptops. Right now, dem yellow people keeping us down, that's all.

>>56079596
Yeah computers were once made to get shit done. Then apple started fetishising the actual hardware and selling all these promises about making your life better/easier when people have been figuring it out all along for decades. Kids in the 80s were literally taking apart computers and reprogramming them from basic manuals that came in the box.

>>56079685
Yes, in desktop CPUs segment.
Mobile SB are shit.

>>56064611
cant you just remove the chip if its enabled?

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okay this is my recently acquired x220
screen is dirty, any tips on how to clean it?
Also
>tfw no libreboot for x220

>>56080419
damp paper towel with a little bit of soap

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Are these damages bad? Thing sells for 199 euros, which might be a bit much...

>>56080619
Forgot to tell it's an X220

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>>56080453
in the end I ran it over with a microfibre cloth

>>56064473
Why does this trigger me so badly?

>>56080863
Because it's sacrilege

>>56080411
Possibly. I don't know enough about how it works. You wouldn't think it's SO sophisticated that there's some kind of deadman switch if you just removed it.

>>56080619
>are these tiny scuffs bad
Depends on your autism power level.

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>>56080863
because gookovo decided to turn a business line into macbook clones when all they had to do was continue with IBM's design while fixing flaws like poor screen quality, battery options, port selection etc? Because instead of pic related you get something that looks and feels more like a Walmart laptop while still having a stupid price tag

>>56080727
hope you also wiped it down with something antimicrobial because used laptops can be disgusting as fuck

>>56080938
>instead of pic related
>too expensive and niche to continue

I don't think the amount of ds units ever recouped the cost of R&D, tooling etc

Note how they discontinued mobile workstations after 2 generations and only reintroduced them with the P70.

>>56080938
The second display was a gimmick, we know how bad TN panels are when they are viewed from the side or at an angle, there is a small sweet spot for the W70xds when it comes to the second display. HP and Dell competitors at the time had IPS displays, the W70x did not, and near impossible to be modded, on top of that. On top of that, Lenovo had the most restrictive GPU whitelist than HP or Dell at that time as well.

Other than the niche digitizer and 2nd display, the P70 is a much better machine.

I was dissapointed to feel keyboard flex on a W700 when the T60, T61, T500 never had it. W701 may have 4 RAM slots but a M6500 or 8740w can easily blow one out by price.

>bidding for thinkpads on ebay
>always outbid because i have to pay the item + the retarded international shipping fee which grows exponentially according to the value of the item
>got outbid again from a x200 i wanted to put linux on it while i'm typing this
this is suffering

>>56081683
>getting outbid on thinkpad
Life as a poorfag

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>>56081750
pls no bully

>>56077310
there's those dead pixel website tests that flash the screen different colors
but odds are there's nothing wrong with the thinkpad, and it's pretty rare for a pixel to die or get stuck after the warranty is up.
and it's pretty rare for the cpu or ram to die too unless you fuck with them, or drop the laptop
>>56081812
who the hell would pay anything over $150 for an x200?
It's barely worth $100

>>56081683
I always put in my max bid 5 seconds before the auction ends.

How much is your shipping?
I never see more than $25 here in the us.

>>56081812
i bought an x200 for $60, free shipping and it came complete with no missing parts.

I could have bought a T420 for that much, holy fuck.

>>56081812
>That shipping
What the fuck, you third world?

>>56081827
That was what i paid for my x220, it's an example of the average shipping fees i have to pay.

>>56081828
Most sellers are from the us and i live in a shithole so yeah, it's expensive.

>>56080992
I chose that model not because of the lack of its particular success but because it was up to the old standard of quality and was trying something new that was objectionably innovative relative to the blind market trend following and reshaping of the Thinkpad brand by Lenovo today.

>>56081750
he's heavily overpaying for what he's buying
there's a difference between being poor and being retarded with your money

Bought an used T450s. (i5 5300, 8GB, 256GB) Did I fuck up? Ebay seller stated a FHD IPS panel but I got a 1600x900 TN one. He gave me a $150 refund. Is it worth upgrading to an IPS panel?

>>56081812
I paid 70USD for an X200 four years ago (with a dock and battery)

Maybe my deal was particularly good but that price is crazy

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>>56081812
for some reason they are much cheaper now.

>>56081153
It was a step in the right direction though.
If they kept the same formula and added good panels and modern hardware they would have been better off instead of redesigning the body and chassis and devaluing the brand with consumer line models with a Thinkpad logo. The gooks have no honor for a brand name. They just jump on the bandwagon of mainstream laptop trends without understanding that the mainstream audience isn't interested in Thinkpads in the first place.
Not having a clear separation between models devalues the brand as a whole

Does Lenovo ever do decent sales on Thinkpads?

Black Friday?

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>>56064331
>Other business laptops are also welcome in /tpg/

My old Dell E4200 is appallingly sluggish with Windows 10. I only have it on there for testing purposes. Think it would make a great little linux book to add to the collection.

Recommendations for distros on Latitudes? I had Debian Jessie on my E6500, but it acted as a wired server, so I didn't mess with the nonfree driver mess.

>>56081864
>>56082133
>>56082158
>>56082210
That was what i paid for the X220 that i'm using right now, i got outbid on the x200 so didn't buy it.

But yeah it sucks.

>>56082152
depends on how much you paid for it total

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Anyone notice a price spike in old models that are popular in the community over the last few years? (X/T60*, X20**, etc)

It seems like old era Thinkpads are actually growing more valuable as there is no sign of Gookpads improving in quality

>>56082298
They were 30% off last week. I think 40% with the corporate discount code.

>>56082302
I like Antergos.

>>56082298
there was some big sale recently that could have been combined with a student discount

>>56082318
About $700 for the laptop, and about $200 in shipment and taxes. (US => EU) Here in Europe the prices were in the €800-1000 range.

>>56082244
True, but IBM had issies with ThinkPads before Lenovo bought them, IBM was hemmorging money
>GPU issues
A30, A31, T4x all had overheating GPUs because there was never a heatsink. This was the main reason why IBM wanted to sell their ThinkPad/PC division.
>chassis flex
T4x were notorious for their southbridge & GPU being flexed ever so slightly which separated the BGA soldiering from the motherboard.
>iSeries, Pre-R50 R-Series build quality
These were built by contract by Acer and other companies, crap build quality & reliability.
>wifi & hard drive whitelists
IBM were notorious for keeping it OEM, BIOS upgrades later solved the issue but you were stuck paying a lot.

>>56082331
I noticed it when the T440's dipped in price 8 months after they were released, used you can get such good deals, it was crazy.
T4x seem to still be sold at a high price, 15" units are sold pretty high for being parts units, I've seen them outprice T60 - T400 as parts units.

Since I collect, I keep my eye out on vintage units. :)

>>56082302
stick with Debian
best documented along with Ubuntu

>>56082388
jesus christ why wouldnt you get a new one for not that much more?

>>56082586
New ones were starting at €1200+, I got this one for about €700. (With the refund.)

>>56082420
>This was the main reason why IBM wanted to sell their ThinkPad/PC division.
Really? Never knew that. Was that one screwup really draining them that bad? How did Lenovo deal with it?

I'm not saying laptops under IBM were always perfect but they had a certain set of characteristics that Lenovo has chosen to abandon. This in turn abandons a community that cares a lot more about their hardware than the average consumer. I'm just saying that Lenovo should have saved their "innovation" for other consumer lines and improved internally on the Thinkpad line without major changes.
tl;dr perhaps Lenovo would have been better off if it treated the Thinkpad line like Panasonic treats the Toughbook line

>>56082420
>>56082645

IBM PC division was still making money, selling off their PC division was a part of the strategy to move IBM in to the higher margin enterprise/consulting businesses.

>>56083605
>to move IBM in to the higher margin enterprise/consulting businesses.
Yeah. I always thought it was all a part of major internal restructuring based on what IBM is today

>>56064500

I'd buy it.

>>56083628
IBM nearly died in the 90s, they started shedding parts of their business since then (e.g. creating Lexmark, selling off their HDD business to Hitachi, selling off their fabs to GF).

>>56081827
Well where i am from the only thinkpads around have only one month of warranty.

>>56083645
but they're sitting on way too much IP and long term customers to go, no?

>>56083719
In my opinion, the company might be in a very long and drawn out death spiral.

IBM treats its employees like shit these days - and without talent, they're dead.

Alright brehs, I have these two options for 165 USD:
T410 // 4GB // Intel Core i5 2.5Ghz // 320 GB HDD
or
T420 // 4GB // Intel Core i5 2.5Ghz // 250 GB HDD

>>56083780
t420 by far

>>56083780
T420
Upgrade ram if needed ($30 for 8GB at amazon)
$50 SSD on it. I bought a t430s for $235 and bought a 240GB Snadisk SSD Plus.

>>56080955
>he doesn't even want free jizz
What are you, some kind of faggot?

>>56081683
Keep trying. I assume you're using a sniping service?

>>56083780
T420 unless you're just nuts about 16:10 and have modest mobile computing needs.

>>56083748
>IBM treats its employees like shit these days - and without talent, they're dead.
yeah, major layoffs and replacement with offshore human capital
>the company might be in a very long and drawn out
I suspect they're pumping a lot of money into R&D but their decline is clear. Not sure if all their R&D is simply to stop investors from panicking or has some actual value. Giants like IBM take a long time to go down the drain completely.

>>56083886
>offshore human capital
>DESIGNATED Pajeets
fixd

It's happened at my company too. I feel bad for the customers.

>>56083954
yeah, seems to be a common trend
what departments is it usually? codemonkey level software engineering, IT, and support it seems right?

I've heard a ton of complaints about IBM teams in India from their US counterparts

Anywhere to get an x220 or t420 where its garanteed to get it in top notch condiiotn?

Where can I buy Lanugo laptop in Malaysia?

I think I figured out why my x200 was getting so hot.

The little air intake slots underneath the fan were basically caked in dust.
I didn't even think to check there until now.
My temps just dropped 5C.

>>56083980
Lots of places.

>support call center
>codemonkeys
>WAN/telecom teams
>Storage and SQL teams
>Server maintenance and security patch teams
>contracted local/regional support for onsite visits

Some of the cross-discipline application sales/support/setup/data conversion/training/integration people like me are still around, mainly because I'm in a long-lived and still profitable enclave of the company. We sell/support applications to independent companies with their own in-house or third party IT, too, so it's not all internal.

I've had several new managers over the last 6 or 7 years try and put together a big picture view of "what I do" and they eventually give up because it just requires too much industry knowledge, company resource knowledge, people skills, work ethic, and jack-of-all-trades IT consulting knowledge to do. Every manager has realized my value in short order and forcibly shut down any (presumed) Illuminati-level management attempts to replace us with Pajeets.

At any rate, it fucking sucks any time we have to work with the India/Guam teams. The particular codemonkeys that work on our application are pretty decent as long as you stick to email though, and the redesigned application that will be replacing what we have now is being developed internally by US coders tangentially attached to our department. Other stuff we have to deal with them on, we have US intermediaries we've worked with a long time that end up bearing the brunt of Pajeet's "doing the needful".

>>56084327
>Every manager has realized my value in short order and forcibly shut down any (presumed) Illuminati-level management attempts to replace us with Pajeets.
I bet they have rooted out a lot of long time departments this way in the name of muh big picture restructuring. Scary times

I mean, is there even a place with welfare capitalism levels of job security left in the US? I would guess the defense contractors are the only ones as standard corporate America seems to treat employees like cheap toilet paper.

>At any rate, it fucking sucks any time we have to work with the India/Guam teams.
I can't imagine any sort of positive cooperation between people that work relatively for peanuts and have replaced entire departments in front of your eyes.

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Thinking about getting a x240 for uni, but I'm not sure if I should just fork out the extra cash for a t440

Is there any real difference besides the size and battery life?

>>56084550
>I bet they have rooted out a lot of long time departments this way in the name of muh big picture restructuring.
They absolutely have. I have no illusions that I'm in a very lucky place within the company. There are 2 tiers of managers above me that are based as fuck and will go to bat for you.

The real bitch of it is that the company as a whole has compartmentalized every facet of IT from the top down. It's like a secret government project assembly line, Pajeet #1 only knows how to assemble his 1 widget and then it goes on to Pajeet #2 for the next widget. Nobody takes any ownership of the larger project/issue and there are multiple points of failure. The way it used to work was you had regional support groups that were all US-based and all knew the peculiarities of the sites and users they supported. Above that you had Seal Team 6 type multidisciplinary groups that oversaw the whole thing and took on the special projects.

That was what I used to be a part of for our region. As other regions faltered because they had people leave or were hiring retards, we started taking over. (Our industry is related to real estate transactions, so you can guess why everything went to shit.) We got several regions we were managing/supporting with only a minor increase in staff and then they just collapsed everything to restructure in the dumbest and most inefficient way possible with Pajeets. I won't even go into the completely random "what employee ID# and salary can we cut this month?" approach they took to try and reduce costs. Fucking insanity for the first couple of years when our staff got reduced by 60-70% and we had to get really smart to eventually end up with as much water-cooler and shitposting time we had before.

1/2

>>56084550
>>56084937
2/2

>I can't imagine any sort of positive cooperation...
There really isn't. The thing Chaim CEO doesn't understand is that the need/want to work together with people for a common goal comes from shared experience, a common culture, and communication over time. All 3 of those got ripped out from under us.

It's not that I don't appreciate the plight of Pajeet trying to pull himself out of poverty and it's not that I don't get the company trying to trim the Boomer fat and save money. It's that I can't good-ol-boy cajole a junior engineer into spending a little extra time troubleshooting and doing something for me and all of the informal channels of communication (MUCH more important than the formal channels that exist) are gone forever.

>>56084764

Im not to really sure on the specifics on the 40 series, but generally speaking the x series usually has better battery life, but runs a little hotter(only really noticible on i7 models), vice versa for the t series. Just make sure you swap out the trackpad on the 40 series for the 50 series one.

>>56078517
Because Chrome and IE are so merciful on the computer.

How bad idea is getting a T400 as a college PC?

T420 is as expensive as my college semester.

>>56086477
I'm a professional engineer and I still use a T500 daily. I see no reason why a T400 wouldn't be sufficient for any college major.

>>56086477
I used a Core 2 Duo laptop throughout my time in college, so I think that a T400 probably sufficient.

Is any of the chinkpad tablets good for drawing on?

I hate the way the Yoga works, I'd like the keyboard to be covered rather than work as the base, and besides it's a 14 inch monster, and I guess i'm a little girl because I can't really comfortably carry around things that big.

Anyway, yeah, any thinkpad 10-13 inches that is good for drawing and can be used today as competent machine? The x220t seems nice but idk. I'd like something smaller if possible. And I don't know how good the screen is.

>>56086549
I prefer the X60t for the 4:3 screen ratio, but horsepower is limited if you want to work with heavy illustration.

>>56086617
I imagine there's no way to upgrade the CPU on this machines is there?

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>>56086502
>>56086525
Thanks, all im going to use it for is as a Office machine anyway.

Last good deal on a T420 i saw was $2700 but was the 768p version.

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>>56086806
>$2700
>T420
>memeresolution

>>56086868
Guess why i didnt bought it.
Note, all those you see there are 768p.

The 900p one is $5000.

>>56086907
move to a country where your currency isn't worth 1/20 Burger$

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>>56086932
Maybe one day, probably will visit the US this black friday but my semester is about to start and i really need a laptop.

Any opinions on the p50 or p70?

>>56087055
No boom-boom with soul brother laptop. Too boku.

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freshly wiped and new distro T420

>>56087335
>meme distro
>meme laptop
>meme panel @ meme resolution
Christ, anon. Get yourself together.

>>56087533
how are those memes? what is there to get together

I'm looking into getting myself a thinkpad, most likely the x220 just for school and home entertainment for when I don't want to use my desktop. Is this a good choice? I like the idea of an ultra portable and I was looking for any good retailers other than amazon and ebay because I can't be sure how good the refurbishment actually is. Suggestions?

>>56087680
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834321891

Try your look and see if you get a IPS screen.

>>56087680
yeah, i'm in the same situation as you and i settled with the x220, im typing on it right now. the only things that i don't really like about it is the screen, but i'm replacing that soon, the battery dies fast (but i'll replace that as well) and the GPU is kinda shitty. it's really fast with an SSD, and it's really comfy to use. overall, i love it.

How good is the T400 IGPU?

>>56087702
so is there a chance it wont? and how would i upgrade it?

>>56087721
so you would recommend it? when you say the screen is it the weird viewing angles or what do you mean? also when you mention the ssd did you get one with an ssd or did you put one in yourself?

>>56087753
By buying a new panel, which is around $60.

There are TN and IPS x220, you can check by checking the TYPE number under it.
Which is easy to check if you were buying a used one, but with refurbished you need to send a message to whoever is selling it.

>>56087774
TN has shitty viewing angles, at certain angles the colors will change and look bad or dark.
IPS fixes this and has better looking screen/colors.

>>56087774
its everything about the TN screen, the angles suck and the resolution is kinda low, but it gets the job done and it doesnt render it unusable. it's really just something that i'd prefer to be IPS and higher res.

i put in an SSD myself.

>>56087721
I'm considering an x230 over x220 for the better integrated graphics. I don't know about the TN screen, which I may or may not replace, because I was planning on using an IPS monitor. The only thing that bothers me is that I hate 1360x768, so I might replace the screen just because of that.

>>56087808
>>56087793
so you can get a higher res screen too? wouldn't that decrease performance if the gpu and cpu aren't built for the new screen or am I missing something dumb. I'm only familiar with pc building and have never modified a laptop before

>>56087915
GPU? yes in games, in casual use its not enough to affect it.
CPU? Not at all.

>>56087935
ok, and if you were the one that inserted the ssd, was that taking the whole hard drive out or using an mSATA SSD card

>>56087980
Im not but you could any of the 2 if you wanted.
I see easier just replacing the HDD unless you want to keep it for some storage.

>>56088003
>>56087980
But remember that the mSATA is SATA2, so you would be limited to 300MB/s instead 550MB/s.

>>56088003
>>56088017
Ok because I'm watching this video and he just removes this small chip and puts in an ssd version, is it like the actual drive that puts the storage on it or is it just a performance boost? I dont quite understant SATA storage/drives. I know the silver hdd box is the storage thing but what is the tiny little drive chip that is being replaced? Also thank you guys for being so helpful

>>56088017
it's not like it makes a difference in real world use

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>>56088028
Because mSATA SSDs are literally a small chip.
This is a mSATA SSD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16820147410

SSDs are actually rather small, the cases they come with are really big for standards and compatibility reasons.
This is what a 850 EVO (same SSD but in 2.5" version) looks like.
If you compare it to the mSATA version they're not so different in size.

>>56088060
yeah but this doesn't actually replace the hdd because the hdd is the silver brick above it, so I'm still just a little confused, never had laptop modification experience. Or is that little chip the whole drive and it just takes over the hdd. If it does replace the hdd does that mean that you have to reinstall windows?

Now that I'm thinking about it is the chip just the actual drive but the brick is where the storage is so it would work the same just with a new chip?
sorry i feel like a retard but I think I'm figuring it out.

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>>56088094
>>56088060
to save time this is what i'm trying to figure out simplified

>>56088094
>Does it replace the HDD
If you want to, yes it will.
Both will work at the same time too so you can have the SSD with the OS and the HDD for storage, which is how you are supposed to use SSDs to make your PC faster.

>Do i have to resintall windows
You will have to install windows in the SSD, but if you want you can leave your old windows installation in the HDD and boot on it if you have a problem or something.

Think of a mSATA SSD as a really fast and small HDD.

im split between an x220 or t420, the 420 model is 15$ cheaper than

>>56088134
Depends what you are looking for and what you can get.

Look for a T420 with a 900p screen, otherwise get a IPS x220.
Look for a x220 with a IPS screen, otherwise get a 900p T420.

>>56088130
yeah that makes sense I guess I just dont get the silver brick. This new chip makes it pointless right? Also if it's refurbished and I dont have the key don't I need the key to reinstall the OS onto the new SSD, and won't I need the CD or something to load it off of? This I could probably look up but I would think I would need a key and a CD to transfer windows onto the new disc or is there another way? And using the SSD and HDD is an easily google-able question I'm sure so I wont ask you about that

>>56088160
The gray brick is where you put the HDD.
You can put a SSD on it if you want too.
You just can also put a SSD on the mSATA port.

Refurbished computers come with a original windows key, you can reuse it as much as you want on the same computer.

You will have to install windows in the SSD, which you will need a original ISO(Which can be downloaded from myDigitallifeforums pastebin), any 4GB+ USB and thats it.
You could ask for help on >>>/g/sqt in how install windows.

why is the t420 recommended over t430?
they're practically the same price

>>56065838
Try 10, casual

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>>56088228
T430 introduced island-style chiclet keys and reduced the keyboard from 7 rows to 6.
The chiclets aren't so bad, but they got rid of the ins/del/home/end/pgup/pgdn cluster and that alone makes it an abomination.

>>56088213
Alright thank you, it's been a lot of help and I'll be using this information a lot. From this I've gathered (correct me if I'm wrong)

>using mSATA port may be a bit slower because it's the m port, but should figure out how to use that for windows and use the HDD brick for file storage
>the mSATA SSD is its own component
>i can just use the windows key with the computer and use an iso to install onto the SSD

Thats all, the only thing is keeping files on the hdd while installing windows and/or any other os like linux onto the ssd without losing those files. Thanks man

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>>56088264
wrong picture

try to find the PrintSrc key.
try to justify that
you can't

>>56088270
Its not really that slower since what makes SSD fast are the random read speeds and their access time.
You just will limit your read and write speed to 300MB/s, which doesnt matter that much.

>>56088228
The keyboard.

>>56087915
you cant get a higher res screen actually, not without extensive modding.

i replaced the HDD in my x220, just because i liked how it'd use less battery, keep it cooler (marginally) and extend battery life.

>>56064978
I have a CF-52 lying around if you happen to want one

>>56085002
>>56084937
thank you for replying
you have a lot of interesting points

didn't get a chance to read through as I got busy earlier

>>56088270
Just use Windows 7 Ultimate and DazLoader if you're using Windows at all

>>56064331
next time put /tpg/ in the subject so i can filter it please

Just for comparison can anyone with a T400 with P8600 run and post the CPU-Z benchmark?

Also people with one, some reviews about it?

>>56088955
>Also people with one, some reviews about it?

it's fine
put an SSD in it and you'll never worry about sluggishness

>>56089005
How well does it handle 720p@60FPS videos?
Thats probably the most intensive thing i will do with it.

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Guys, I have an old Dell (D610) which I'm restoring to use as a workshop laptop (it has serial and parallel which suits my needs).

I stripped it down, cleaned everything, removed old thermal pads and applied new paste and even after all that it's getting HOT. I mean after an hour it literally hurts to hold it in hand,

It's the central area on the bottom that's heating up. What's that, RAM, the X300 gpu, the heatsink in general? Or is it just the way it is.

The top of the laptop stays acceptably warm.

New thread:
>>56090235