/tpg/ - ThinkPad General

what's the difference between the x201 and the x220?

>>55915138
19

Go look up the specs on thinkwiki.org.

>muricans call every piece of plastic a "credit" card
forever goy

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>you will never have a 2016 T62 ThinkPad manufactured entirely by IBM

Is this a good deal?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA5HA46A6128
>inb4 Win10. I plan on putting xubuntu on it

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>>55915117
The only Master Race.

>>55915309
There is no such a thing as T62 you autistic little nigger.

>>55915342
Is this the birth of new ebin mene?

>>55915138
X220 is 19 better.

Stupid questions get stupid answers.

>>55915325
>Is this a good deal?
It's a decent deal.

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>>55915372
That's the point. ThinkPads died.
Now all we have are """ThinkPads"""

>he fell for the thinkpad meme

>>55915441
But this is not a thinkpad.
E series exists from a long time and we don't consider these as thinkpads. Same applies to these autistic toys for kids.
X250/X260 is pretty dank.

Thoughts on the T460, I like the old dankpad design but don't want to buy used.

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>>55915325
>4096 millibits of RAM
>slightly more than half a byte of RAM

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>>55915441
(((ThinkPads)))

I'm finally going to college for applied informatics this year. I'll be programming a lot and for hobby making 3D models.

Is the Latitude E5570 suitable? Does anyone know if the 1080p non-touch screen is IPS?

Is there anywhere good to get a replacement backlight for Thinkpads? I need a CCFL light for an x200s.

>>55915309
you can have a T62 manufactured by some gook that's likely to have a good amount of hardware issues.

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Autistic splash screen anon here
Trying to flash 1.86 (L540/L440) http://support.lenovo.com/no/en/downloads/ds037206 custom splash screen on EFI boot (logo2.gif) (http://pastebin.com/raw/x6rbsQK1), so far only had success with legacy splash screen, anyone got any fucking idea what I might be doing wrong, 16-bit colours, everyhing as legacy just bigger resolution, still ends up not showing my custom splash screen just when booting in legacy mode. Attached a quick sampel I just made, maybe I palletize them wrong?

Looks like I bricked my x200s trying to flash a whitelist bios, is there anything I can do? Would libre/coreboot get it working again?

Will an x220 run unity just fine?

>>55916601
Yes.

>>55916580
If it's legit bricked, hardware flashing it may be the only way. You'd have to check the libre/coreboot website to see if that model (and screen) are compatible.

Hallo /tpg/
Considering T420, e4310 and e6410, are there reasons to pick one over the others? They all look great

>>55916740
It gives error beeps of 3-1-3 or something which the manual says is DIMM error or system board. I swapped around the RAM but still happened so I assume I've bricked the board then. But you think hardware flashing would fix that? Cheers, I'll have a look. I fucking hope it's compatible

>>55915309
My richfag uncle used to buy Thinkpads until Lenovo bought the line. Then he switched to Sony. Not sure if he had firsthand experience that made him hate Lenovo Thinkpads, or if he was just biased. He says:

>You never get more than what you pay for.
He can afford it, so he just buys expensive computer hardware. He gave our family two hand-me-down IBM thinkpads.

The Thinkpad T41 served me well as a porn machine. It finally died last year.

>>55915947
I run Lubuntu on my XP-era Thinkpads. It just works. Arch would probably work if you know how to use it.

Lubuntu works great. XP would probably appear outdated and shitty, plus it is no longer supported by MS.

Couple questions regarding thinkpads

found a T430 for $200
Should I buy it?

Is it true you're able to upgrade the hardware? Does this mean I can treat it like a desktop and upgrade the graphics card and whatnot for games n such?

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Hey, faggots. Just wanted to share the news that some faggot on >reddit arranged a deal with a salesman in China to have X62's exported to the US for actual reasonable prices

>motherboard only $470
>full laptop $750

You can sign up for that shit here.

https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/4w3b42/51nbs_x62_x61_with_i7_mod_order_thread_2/d63ms3k

Any europoors here? Most business grade used laptops are from the US (taxes), did you just go for it or waited for european auctions?

>>55915009
>Item Condition: Scratch and Dent System - This item passed testing for key and essential functions. Will have minor wear, you may find dent of ½” diameter or less, small areas of discoloration from removed tags and stickers, and light scratches that are no more than 3” long.

I wouldn't risk it without seeing actual pictures of it

>>55917146
Do they not use business laptops in Europe? No clue why there wouldn't be auctions, maybe Euros donate old laptops to charity?

>>55917110
Holy fuck! Nice! I'm signing up right now!

>>55915138
16:10 and first gen i5/i7 vs 16:9 garbage 1366x768 and sandy bridge i5/i7 (no quads)

>>55917243
I assume they're used, but I never see much of it on ebay

>>55917110
Cool, but I think I'll wait for the upcoming T60 upgrade

>>55917268
Is 16:10 even worth if it has an older processor?

>>55917350
depends on what you use it for

Is there a business desktop general? Do the same rules and logic apply?

I have a poorfag friend who wants a good PC for rendering 3D animation. Dell Optiplex with i7 looks cheap as fuck. Could even through in a GPU if you wanted.

T430 is on Woot today for $180, should I get?

>>55917388
Word processing, coding, watching video. Very light gaming at most.

>>55917050
Dunno about the T430 but on my T420 i've upgraded almost everything, also having three drives is sugoi.

>>55917050
Pretty much no laptop has an upgradeable GPU.

You can replace the RAM, drives, the screen, and the CPU. But the CPU is going to be third gen Intel only so not much you can get will be a very big upgrade.

But, T430's hardware is still pretty competitive these days due to CPU improvement stagnation

>>55917425
Light gaming meaning what games? If it's shit like Doom then even an old T60 will run that fine

>>55917050
You can't upgrade the GPU inside the laptop, but you can plug in an external graphics card through the ExpressCard slot using a PCIe->ExpressCard adapter

>>55917110
waiting to see if there's going to be a qc nightmare on the boards before getting one

Where do you guys usually shop around for your Chinkpads? Do you email local organisations who might have some lying around? Do you visit charity shops or shitty corner IT shops?

If I were to have two monitors connected to a X220 and use it mostly like a desktop, would it be a good buy? Or should I aim for T420 in that case?

>>55917713
Yeah it's fine.

For a desktop replacement though I'd pick the T420 because the cpu is upgradeable and the 3 drives as >>55917453 said.

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Fuggggg it's literally impossible to find a 00hm457 panel.

postin again
my brightness controls (fn+home and fn+end) as well as the sleep button (fn+f4) have stopped working correctly on my t420 with arch and openbox.
the brightness can still go up and down, but the lowest settings just turn off the backlight completely instead of getting dimmer. i can still bring it back up from there though
the sleep button does nothing.
i have no idea what i've done to cause this, as they were all working fine one day and not the next.
acpi_listen sees all of them just fine
if i log in as root (who has nothing installed) they all work perfectly, i suspect because of thinkpad-acpi included in the kernel.
any suggestions??
i tried adding

acpi_osi="!Windows 2012"

as well as

acpi_backlight=vendor

and

acpi_osi=Linux

to my boot parameters, but none of them fixed it

Is E560 a decent choice for an unused Cuckono budget ThinkPad?

>>55917390
I don't know a ton about workstations or how poorfag of a budget we're talking, but you might look at the Lenovo ThinkStation D20 or S20.

I've been eyeballing a D30 for a Plex (and other things) server if/when my current desktop-turned-server poops out or gets overwhelmed.

>>55917608
Principally eBay, but I've seen plenty of other folks around land deals with local shops/businesses/Craigslist/swappa. It just depends on the availability in your particular market.

>>55918265
Being situated in Oxford, coming across ThinkPads in the wild isn't the easiest thing to do.

>>55918290
Not picking on you specifically, but without flags it's impossible to give good advice to questions like that. I know this is a very international site, but really you should set that out in your original question if you want your fellow countrymen to give you the scoop.

Being an American, and with most of the buying guides/pricing being for an American audience, it just perpetuates a lot of confusion/bad advice from other anons. I'm completely unfamiliar with the European market other than I hear a lot of people buy from German sites for some reason (and swap keyboards), as they seem to be more common there.

>>55918290
In the UK it's pretty much relegated to eBay/hardware trades on Reddit I think.

Reddit is shit, but the hardware trades subreddit (which also does sales, not just trades) is exceptional.

I'm a frequent goer of Charity and junk shops, I have never seen a thinkpad in there. Copped a few cheap PC's and laptops but never a thinkpad in almost ten years of going.

>>55918382
Oh you misread me, I wasn't trying to correct you saying "Well that's not so EASY for some of us", I was just saying that it's difficult to find good shit in the UK.

my chromebook piece of shit just died on me. thinking of getting a chinkpad as i'm poor.

How's a t420 from newegg sound? i'd be using it with an external display. How hard is it to add a stick of RAM?

>>55918409
No worries. I was just saying it would help a lot if international folks would announce themselves as such right from the get-go to cut down on unhelpful cross-chatter from my fellow Americans whose buying options/pricing is vastly different.

I definitely hear you that options are limited in the UK/EU/BR/AUS/etc. I wish you luck. Regardless, you're going to pay a premium even for older hardware in the world at large.

Worth???

http://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-ThinkPad-760XL-Laptop-Boots-to-bios-has-lots-of-extras-and-dock-station-LOOK-/191937009282?hash=item2cb0565682:g:p9IAAOSwbsBXoQIW

>>55918501
>How hard is it to add a stick of RAM?
It's very easy. Just one screw needs to be removed. Just make sure you buy the right type of RAM (DDR3, 204pin, 1333).

Got my first Thinkpad 3 weeks ago from a craigslist for $110 and some gas. I'm loving the fingerprint scanner, trackpoint, ThinkLight, the indicator LEDs, the placement of the power and USB ports on the back, and how cool the chassis feels when its running. I heard complaints about the WXGA T420 screen, but it is actually very tolerable. Not a pain at all from how I use it.

I'm waiting on a mSATA SSD sale to upgrade it. Maybe a 1TB HDD upgrade too. I'm feeling a little cramped with the 320GB that came with it. One thing I don't like is the chassis shifting and making a "click" sound when pressure is placed on the lower left corner of the palm rest.

Anyone know where I can get the pinout of the dc-in board of a t420s? Some status indicators aren't working and I want to check the connector.

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Upgraded my i5 2520m T420 to a quad core i7 2720qm. Top is idle and bottom is after stress test.

>tfw i get better temps than what i got with my 2520m re-pasted

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>reminder not to buy non-genuine chargers

>>55919611
How much worse is your>>55919658
battery life tho?

>>55919747
God damn it I didnt mean to reply like that, fuckin missed the post button

>>55917970
Welcome to Arch Linux

>>55917601
Theyre already fine, the issues were resolved in beta revisions, this is the final revision

>>55919747
>>55919766
Dunno, i changed cpu like 30 min ago.

Gonna undock it now and see how it goes.

>>55917970
for the lowest brightness setting possible, you should be able to run

xbacklight -dec 4

whiile at the lowest setting you can currently get.

>>55917146
Personally I scan the national auction site and google the model I want with local language filter. I usually go for refurbished ones from a local shop though since I can deduct the VAT from those in business taxation. It's bit pricier than US price guide recommends but I want my local snowflake keyboard layout.

>>55917390
Desktops are a completely different from laptops since they are modular by definition. You just have a tower and search for the best/cheapest 2+ years old components you can plug in your current motherboard.

Maybe cheap business-grade towers are a thing if you're looking wholly new desktop but that isn't usually the case.

>>55919658
To me it's hard to believe that non-genuine ThinkPad chargers are even a thing. The refurbished market seems to be flooded with genuine chargers at around 10€ (65W, large round connector).

>>55920185
About the charger, yeah I don't get it either.
I'm glad it didn't damage anything and that the first thing I did when I got the laptop was order a genuine. Still, pretty stupid of me to use this one.

>>55919859
any sort of xbacklight command gives the error "No outputs have backlight property"

Sup /tpg/, I'm thinking about Lenovo thinkpad 700-15 for work and games, wanna run games well for a few years, but after a while I don't mind lowering my settings.
Lags are unacceptable.

Should I get the Lenovo 700?
Y700?
Another option within their price range?

>>55920398
>Lenovo IdeaPad 700 15"
That's not a ThinkPad. Not even marketed as ThinkPad and clearly a consumer oriented device with a gayming marketing angle. You should go ask advice somewhere else.

Currently using a T61 with 2 GB of RAM, running Xubuntu XFCE. It's lagging and I've just had the thing for a long time. Also using a 160 GB SSD, too.

Buy 4 GB of RAM or just wait, save and get the x220?

>>55920806
Are the things you're doing being bottlenecked by RAM?

If not, don't buy more RAM, but I could see 2GB being too little these days for a lot of even normie tasks.

>>55920806
get a cheap used ram stick until then

>>55920806
If you're actively using it for daily computing you should just upgrade to X220 for more power and convenience.

If you like to hobby laptop on it you should max out the ram with 2x4GB.

If you're super poor check if the lagging is caused by swapping and if so buy just enough to keep you floating. I'd guess 2GB sticks are super cheap as they are usually discarded after the 2x4GB upgrade for that generation.

apt install zram-confing

should help too.

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>>55915117
is this legit?

>>55921634
Looks fine to me senpai.

>>55921634
https://ithinkpad.wordpress.com/2012/10/09/genuine-vs-fake-lenovo-thinkpad-ac-adapter/

>>55921874
those are 90 watts though, not the 170 watt that I need (since apparently this stupid w520 wont even try to use the power adapter)

Does anyone have a T530 here? What are your thoughts on it?

>>55921320
Fair enough. How do I go about picking the right type of RAM?

I just bought a T420, holy shit why didn't I get one sooner, it's so good.

Going to get an SSD for it next month, I mainly use it for streaming anime in bed from my main PC

>>55921990
http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:T61

Its time to buy a new battery for my x220. Should i buy a legit lenovo one which seems to be quite expensive or some third party battery that is cheaper?

>>55921910
Still, the serial number seems to be of different length.
And according to https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-X-Series-Laptops/Fake-AC-Adapter/td-p/1618670
>1. Big serial number on the bar-code label should include laptop ASM p/n, 92P1156 in this case. Compare with 02K1506, in any case it's not Lenovo p/n.
which doesn't seem to be correct for the charger pictured, should start with 0A362 (https://support.lenovo.com/nl/nl/documents/migr-76763)

>>55922073
Always go genuine unless you're like me and can't because of import fees.

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Finally got the ram for my G40. I can now run Firefox (I was on 256MB before.)

I cant scroll with the trackpoint for some reason, the scrolling cursor pops up, but nothing else happens. I guess its just XP being XP or something.

>>55915117
I'm having trouble installing windows 10 on my w520.
It just gets stuck at getting ready without any hard drive access.
any ideas?

>>55922073
If you want max battery life and a long lasting healthy battery, lenovo brand. If you want to spend 20 bucks and have it for a year, off-brand.

>>55922128
It's genuine.

No chink charger has gone to that length to replicate the sticker even anywhere near closely.

Main differences between T430 and T420?
I'm looking into buying the 430 but >>55917453 says theres 3 drives? What are drives in this case? Is it that important? I don't know much. I assume 430 is better because m-muh higher number. I looked at the specs and 430 is slightly better but what are these drives?

>>55922411
Doesn't seem like that much trouble to copy paste something, but if you say so.

>>55922145
Is 90e too jew price for a genuine 9cell battery? Sure they are cheaper in ebay but i'd have to pay some fees aswell in my country.

>>55922545
the only difference between *20 and the *30 is the keyboard layout, usb 3.0, ivy bridge cpu instead of sandy bridge, and if you get a dgpu it's supposedly a lot nicer (igpu is far nicer too)

>>55922545
>What are drives in this case?
mSATA sata2 slot for an SSD, main sata3 drive bay and you can replace the optical drive for another sata3 drive bay.

>Is it that important?
Only if you want plenty of storage.

>>55917110
Could have put an iris pro i7 with 28w tdp, but nay.

>>55918617
>tfw a 1995 bios gui looks more a e s t h e t i c than modern thinkpads gray-n-blue amibios.

How bad is the batterylife of T430 compared to the S series?
There are 2 laptops I'm looking at right now. 1 is T430 for 200 or T430s for >150 without an HDD.
What kind of HDD will fit in this?

>>55922690
>How bad is the batterylife of T430 compared to the S series?
A lot better.

S series doesnt even have extended size batteries.

>>55922690
2.5 inch hdd
Yes the battery is much much better

>>55922690
>2.5" 7mm
>mSATA SSD
>adapter with any 2.5" drive in the optical drive slot

I have an X201 Tablet. I'd like to upgrade, but they don't make tablet versions of the new X series. I'd like to use it as a drawing slate for illustration and a full laptop for some light Maya work. Is the X1 Yoga suitable for that? Sweet GPU and improved CPU a big plus.

IBM Lenovo X201i
12" screen - i3 @ 2.13 GHz
2 GB RAM
250 GB hard drive
Wifi

$70

Do I do it?

>>55923648
I wouldn't
and old i3 is just painful to use, especially with only 2 gigs of ram
for like $20-30 more you can get one with 4-8 gigs of ram and a full i5.

>been looking at T430 listing all day
>at first glance, item condition says "computer masterrace"
>actually think to myself thinkpads aren't really a meme and they're actually good
>skim through faq hours later
>it actually says computertrace and it can be remotely disabled

what's so special about an IBM version?

>>55921937

don't know if you'll see this since its already been a while but I'm on a T430 and love it, should mention this is my first thinkpad though, so I've never used anything with this sort of build quality and speed

anyways, I really like it, and it seems the only difference between XX30 series from XX20 is the keyboard if you can live with it.

xx40 and after are the abominations of a thinkpad

>>55923781
Can I ask you a couple questions? I'm about to buy a T430.
What do you use it for? Have you tried out any games?

>>55923706
>slim frames in 2006
>springy soft volume, power and thinkvantage buttons, not these chinky shit clack bzzt switches like in x220/t420 and newer
>can build a new one with brand new details even 10 years later
>IBM logo
>glorious IBM Japan QC lab
>obento box design
>/cyb/ af

>>55917110
>tfw you can't buy one of these

>>55923804
I have a t420 with wangblow laying around. I played the Dragon's Dogma PC release fine on medium-ish setting at max res. Got typical drops in the ruins next to gran soren and various large battles, but it wasn't unplayable.

>>55923843
what is this chinky shit clack bzzt switches you speak of

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>>55923804
It ran Playstation 2 games on Windows through PCSX2 very well, haven't tried it on Lubuntu yet, I switched today because I accidentally fugged my w7 install.

The jump from HD 3000 to HD 4000 did make a notable difference, I could play black ops II on steam online with decent FPS on all low settings and in a window of 1366x768

If you don't care about graphics at all, and just gaming - then yes you can play games. There are people who have even played skyrim on this thing with a little tweaking.
If you just want to run run of the mill steam games, like tf2 and l4d2 then no issue whatsoever.

If you're like me, then it is perfect for emulation of older consoles, N64, PCSX2, I assume dolphin will run well on this too.
You will definitely want to replace thermal paste and have the 8gb of ram though.
the stock 1366x768 panel sucks, but /g/ exaggerates. It is no different from any other 1366x768 panel view on a consumer laptop.

ps, linux is worth learning in the long run. I've been putting it off for years, and it supports the hardware you'd find in a thinkpad very well, you have to be willing to ask questions and search forums though. I had to fix a graphics driver issue myself, as well as automatic sleep mode, and a few other things.
The hardware buttons (volume, mute) and FN keys still work too oddly enough

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>>55923945
>volume, power and thinkvantage buttons

>looking at http://blog.lenovo.com/en/blog/retro-thinkpad-survey-4-miscellaneous
>see survey results on optical drives and ultrabays

>77.1% prefer no optical drive

fuck you
and no I'm not a luddite, have any of you not walked through a store in your lifetime? I don't buy shit either because I browse /g/ but the kind of stock in stores is enough proof that the CD/DVD is not going anywhere

>>55924068
Why would you want a CD/DVD drive on your laptop? Most of the time it's just dead weight taking up your precious thin.

I've had no optical drive on my laptop since 2005 and it has been no problem since there's one on the docking station for the rare cases when I need one.

Looking at a T430. It doesn't have an HDMI port. Can I somehow get one installed on it? Never know when I'm going to need one. It'd be nice to have tho

>>55924164
because I really am a luddite
Yeah I rarely use the thing if I'm going to be honest, I just like to have physical OS install media.

How often does a guy install an OS though? Not very often.

the thing is, thin doesn't always = good
have you seen what happened to the iphone 6 on first release?
Have you seen how modern thinkpads look because of the thin fad?

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>>55924210
weebs got the right thing for ya

>>55924246
I wonder if innovation will return in our lifetime. The phase after materialism.

What T models are available that are made by IBM?

>>55924164
I use mine to rip music CDs.

Based Ultrabay, swapping between the optical drive and the hdd caddy is easy as fug.

>>55924198

Have you considered buying a mini displayport to hdmi adaptor?

>>55924324
>>>>>>thinkwiki.org

>>55924343
thanks bra bra

>>55924277
>mom i cant buy muh drm protected copyrighted cds n dvds made by megalomaniac megacorps cuz no drive in my laptop
>damn you materialism!

>>55924405
stay mad, consunormie

>>55924418
The art style is materialism isn't it?

How bad is the screen for T430?
I still want to be able to watch my chinese cartoons

>>55924494
i posted >>55923966

it isn't the end of the world, its no different from any other 1366x768 panel

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>>55917110
Have an earlier run, FWIW. No major issues so far.

>>55924023
What aboutbthe x201?

>>55924609
You know it comes in 1600 by 900 too?

>>55924713
200/201, 400/410 have old-style keyboards with springy top row buttons, however, the x200 Ultrabase dock does not.

>>55924716
oh i'm aware, its just that you're most likely going to receive one with that since most corporate buyers don't care about res

yeah, you can even do the 1080p work around on a t430

>tfw no 12,1" retina display to stick into x62 comfy frame

So should I get an x200 or an x201?
ivet never really used a trackpoint fulltime before, but I feel the x200 is more A E S T H E T I C

>>55924879
x200 for Free as in Freedom

>>55924879
They are both fine choices.

>>55924879
x200

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>>55924977
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Just tell me how to live my life!!!!!

>>55925094
>>55924904
>core 2 duo
nvmd

>>55925124
Light gaming? X220. IPS? X220. Everything else, X200 or X201.

>>55920712
whoops

>>55925146
X201 has first gen iseries.

>>55925146
>>55925195
Embrace the Botnet.

>>55924879
X62 for Full House A E S T H E T I C

>>55925195
The one I found on newegg says core 2 duo

>>55925243
>>>>thinkwiki.org

>>55915342
Is your laptop connected to that monitor?

Anyone modded a battery? Is that a thing?

I want to take apart a battery for a w520 or t520. Looking to add newer larger batteries or even mod the batter casing in order to get a long run time.

>>55925266
>>55925195
Ohn I thought you said x200, not x201

>>55919747
>>55919766
If you're still here, i got 1:50 hours instead of the 3 i usually get when playing 10bit cartoons on mpc-hc + madvr. For casual shitposting and browsing usage it's not different at all from the i5.

I'm running a 6 cell battery though.

>>55924687
How's the battery life?

What's the lightest Thinkpad? I have a x220 for school but I want a comfier Thinkpad for shitposting.

>>55925592
ekks won charcoal

>>55925706
>ekks won charcoal
What?

>>55925751
Z2 Grapnene

>>55925774
Really makes me think

>want t430
>also want t420 because it says 420
This is a hard decision.

>>55925922
Buy 430 board and put it into 420 case.

>>55915117
Is it possible to make a W520 charge when plugged into a 90 watt charger?
It's kinda annoying to have to put the battery into my t420 and have it charge in there, then swap them back when the current one gets low.
or is there at least a way to disable the warning when I turn it on?
>>55922358
also any help with this would be great for future use
I just installed windows 10 on my t420 and put the HDD back into the W520 after I got to the "select wireless network" screen.

I have a Thinkpad X220 but I'm looking for an IBM Thinkpad for muh nostalgia, any recommendations?

>>55925922
>also want t420 because it says 420
Fucking degenerate.

>>55925922
Get the t430 and put an sticker over the model.

>>55926054
>I just installed windows 10 on my t420
I feel bad for that poor ThinkPad.

>>55926117
x60
x40

>>55925971
Uh, is it my stupidity, or does that lower the price of purchase by like 200 bucks?

>>55926117
*60 is the last fully IBM thinkpad
Lenovo bought the thinkpad line mid *61 series.
both are barely useful nowadays
>>55926143
better than linux for what I'm using it for

>>55926160
>both are barely useful nowadays
unless you pony up for a new motherboard, since those are actually on the market now.

>>55926184
You mean X62, right?

>>55926245
ayup.

>>55917110
>>55926245

>>55926305
not a real thinkpad™

>>55925922
You should definitely kill yourself.

How does the x201 handle 1080p video?

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I have an x220, what replacement battery would you recommend? the one that came with it only lasts about an hour before dying.

http://arrowdirect.com/lenovo-thinkpad-x201-2-40ghz-intel-core-i5-gen1-160gb-3-gb-6.html

gud deal /tpg/?

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>>55924246
There's a small Toughbook at work that has one of those, but its severely underpowered I believe.

>>55926861
I don't know what that companies B condition rating entails, but that's a decent price.

>>55917422
yes definitely

Is 90C° under heavy load normal for an i5 2520m T520 memepad?

The W520 is better than T430 in terms of graphics and processor right? It's just better overall right in terms of the hardware, right?

>>55927533
define heavy load

>>55927577
Somewhere around constant 50-60 % it also does it when it reaches 100 but the fan kicks in and stays the same. Wonder if I should update the BIOS.

>>55927665
Try cleaning and reapplying thermal paste or maybe disable the turbo boost so it would stay at 2.5ghz.

Mine didn't get that hot though and oddly enough upgrading to a quad core gave me better temperatures as i posted earlier.

>>55927550
The W520 is better than T430 in terms of graphics
Yes, but I believe the T430 with Nvidia NVS comes pretty close

>and processor right?
No

>>55927952
Is the processor for the W520 terrible compared to the T430?
Does this mean i5 3320m Dual Core > Quad Core i7 2720QM ?

>>55927994
> Does this mean i5 3320m Dual Core > Quad Core i7 2720QM ?
Of course not. Core 3xxx is a shrink of 2xxx, they have the same performance, but 3xxx is more power efficient.

Question for the europeans in here, there's a lot of german t420 being sold on ebay that look like this:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NOTEBOOK-LENOVO-THINKPAD-T420-INTEL-CORE-i5-2520M-2x-2-5GHz-4GB-RAM-320GB-HDD-/131898561702?hash=item1eb5c454a6:g:scEAAOSwCfdXoxLq

Has anyone ever bought one of these? Is this reliable?

>>55928071
The seller is reliable. Just dont overbid the auction and this might be a good bargain.

What exactly is TPM used for and would it be worth setting up in linux?

>>55926956
most of the toughbooks are passively cooled so they are pretty much always under powered.
>>55927550
I think some t430s came with quadcores, if not you can put a quadcore in there and it would be a decent amount faster than a w520
I'd do some benchmarks but this w520 is retarded and won't charge with a 90 watt (even though my more powerful macbook pro will gladly charge with the 85 watt adapter)

also the laptop will randomly stop reading the hard drive with the chink battery.
so I'm not sure if it's fucked or if the chink battery is just chinky.
it works just fine in my t420 and the battery that came with the w520 doesn't seem to have the issue (but I think that was my problem when installing windows)
>>55927533
that's getting a bit toasty, I'd re thermal paste.
my t420 would hit 95c under max load, but after re thermal pasting it never goes over 85, and is usually around 75 under load.
>>55928015
ivy bridge has about 10% better performance, and only really uses less power when idle (since it will run at 1.2ghz, but periodically stop the processor for a little bit to make it effective run at 800mhz)

>>55928124
A Proprietary™© Security™©, Encryption™© and Password Storage™© Subsystem™©
All businesses trust™© their data to TPM™©.
Nothing to be afraid, goy™©.

>>55928096
Shouldn't I be worried that there are no pictures of the actual T420 being sold? Not to mention difficulties regarding returns since I don't know german

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>>55928164
And yet they managed to cool 10" RZ4's core m processor with a mini turbine fan. Kekkest top.

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Only one question, can I run dwarf fortress

tolerably

on a ThinkPad?

Thanks guys!

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How long can the T420 core i5 operate with CPU temps in 80-90 C range?

>>55928275
nobody can run dwarf fortress anywhere near well

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>>55928383
Oh I know, I run it on my desktop reliably, but I want to be able to take it with me to campus.

Do you think the t400 could handle it with a small world/short history?

Thanks for the reply, you might save me 130 bucks or so

>>55928452
get a t420 without a power brick/ram/hard drive
if it's missing something (especially ram and psu) it's really cheap to get a new psu and ram.
my friend got a t420 with dgpu, 8 gigs of ram, 500gb hard drive, but no psu for $80
then two official psus (1 90, 1 60) was $25

used and missing parts is the way to go for a new thinkpad

>>55928514
Thanks! I'll look into it

can the t400 run it though?

>>55928538
no idea, probably
never really played much of it.

>>55926861
>>55927067
I just internalized the meme and ordered it. Stepping up my mobile shitposting game.

Just how shitty is the TN panel of a x220?

I'm looking to buy one as an after-work dev machine, but IPS options are scarce.

I've read about a FHD mod, but it seems like it's only available through some japanese guy and I fell like I shouldn't rely on that.

Anyone with experience on that around? Should I get with a cheap TN device or insist on an IPS display?

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T410 user here, finally got the charger that I've been waiting a few weeks for.

Would there be any worthwhile upgrades I could put in this thing, or not?

>>55928335
Depends on luck and how much you bump it. It throttles itself so as long as you don't force load on it and decide to block the intakes, it'll go for a while. A certain individual I know has been running their X230 without a fan for a month until the replacement arrives

>>55928796
It won't make you blind, but after seeing the IPS panel, you'll want the latter quite a bit. The viewing angles are fairly shit and it's just the general low contrasty experience. The old L412's TN here hasn't killed me but after using the X220t, it's unpleasant for the first 3 days
Another option is installing it yourself afterwards

>>55928816
>thinkpad
>shabby touchpad
Hey buddy, I think you've got the wrong door, the leather club's two blocks down.

So the T420 seems like the crowd favourite - is there anything particuarly wrong with the T440? I can get one of them for about 250 quid, so is it just a case of being newer and less established or does it shit the bed somehow?

>>55929273
I've only owned the laptop for a few months, my hombre.

I guess I'm mainly wondering if I can stick a motherboard with a better GPU into the damn thing.

>>55929334
Just lurk the wiki for better options, i7 940 or smth is the only way, discrete video was shit back in 2010, so no difference apart overheating problems.

Hello there /g/ I was wonder how long I should expect a refurbished W520 to last? If it has a new ssd and let's say the battery is a non issue.
Also I heard that some have overheating issues, the one I'm looking at is an i7 with a q1000m. How bad is it?

>>55929334
http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/moonseiya/11048518.html
You can put i7 640M cpu if you find socketed version

>>55917331
>upcoming T60 upgrade

Which one? Got any links? I'd fucking love to upgrade my T60

>>55929419
Liquid metal, mylar, 16 gigs of ram, 1080p display mod and best cpu you can find for this model, even maybe an ivy bridge one will last you for a long time if you dont plan mobile use.

>>55929466
>32 Gb
fix

>>55929466
I plan to use it as a study laptop, so it'll be carried around here and there. It's the 15.4 model so it's a little smaller. It has the 1600x900 screen apparently.

>>55929325
macbook wannabe

Hey /tpg/ are there any decent 16:10 business laptops made in the last few years?

>>55929631
Chromekek Pixel
rMBP

>>55929650
Sorry I really should have said I need to run Windows.

Also I wouldn't really consider either of them a business laptop. I'm looking for roughly 14" with the cooling capabilities to run under load for hours without shortnening the lifespan of the laptop. Neither of your recommendations fit that criteria.

Width and weight is not an issue but size is.

>>55929688
http://www.notebookreview.com/notebookreview/panasonic-toughbook-cf-20-review-the-toughest-2-in-1/

enjoy paying out the ass for your special snowflake aspect ratio

>>55926160
>*60 is the last fully IBM thinkpad
False. The T43p and X41 Tablet were both released after the acquisition, and even the earlier *40 models were manufactured by Lenovo, though they didn't own the brand yet. I think you have to go back to the *30 generation or earlier to get your True IBM ThinkPad™.

>>55915117
It seems I could buy thingpads second handed
>ThinkPad X230 (i5/8Gt/128Gt SSD/Takuu) @340e
>ThinkPad X220 (i5/8Gt/120Gt SSD) @240e
>ThinkPad T420 (i5/4Gt/320Gt) @200 (B-class)
Sorry for interrupting but would i be worth it?

I'm about to buy a W520 with ssd and 8gb and i7 and the 15.4 screen, am I making a huge mistake?

Has linux ever broken the trackpoint on anyones thinkpad? Inb4 >>>/sqt/

>>55930708

If you pay more than $225-250 for it, yes.

So is it true I can't out an SSD in an x201?

>>55930719
Not broke and not linux, but systemd/udev has removed WAIT_FOR directive recently, making applying settings on boot harder.

>>55930993
To add, you can do it this way:

ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="input", ATTR{name}=="TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint", ATTR{device/press_to_select}="0", ATTR{device/sensitivity}="255", ATTR{device/speed}="50", ATTR{device/ztime}="30", ATTR{device/thresh}="5"

>>55930906
That little? The buyers guide says 450 and up. What would you suggest instead?

What SSDs would you guys recommend for an X201T? I'm considering BX100.

>>55931101
Anything will do these days, my x201t has a Kingston V300.
Don't worry about the sata II port, most gains come from access times and random read/write anyway.

$120 x201 or $180 x220?

>>55931908
specs?

>>55931908
See
>>55925153

>>55931089
The buyer's guide is a bit outdated, but expecting to get a W520 with good specs that isn't in terrible shape for $225-$250 is just unrealistic. They're in the $350-$450 range, anything over that would only be worth paying if it was top spec, good condition, and well-equipped with a good capacity SSD and more than 8GB of RAM.

>>55932063
Ah, I see.
I'm in Sweden so I expect to pay a little bit more when buying from domestic vendors. But theone I was looking at goes for 582 dollars. It had an i7, 8gigs of ram, a 160gb ssd. pretty steep, maybe I should keep looking for cheaper options.

just repaired my broken t430.
replaced hinges and the heatsink.
tomorrow ill fix the bent backplate of the screen.
all through-out opening and tinkering with it i had the hardest boner. shits so accessible and literally everything can be removed even the fucking gpu. the only thing ive seen not being able to be removed is the cpu which was soldered on.
tell me /tpg/, have you ever modded your thinkpad?
i think i might. nothing serious at first.
the space wherre the gpu was i could possibly transform into space for another 2.5" ssd.

>>55932271
CPU shouldn't be soldered on that model unless you have the 's' variant.

>>55932334
i was wondering about that too.
but apparently on the model i have with the i7 dual core and the dedicated nvs5400 gpu it seems to be soldered on.
its fine though this is the best possible cpu i can get for my model anyways.
and i never use the gpu really. its basically just a lapwarmer especially since the igpu performs a lot better in multimedia tasks. seriously. i think intel can give amd a run for its money with small formfactor gpus in the future.
never thought theyd be so powerfull.

but it also could be that i missed something i didnt exactly take out the small motherboard. and the gpu could be taken out easily from the front by just taking off the heatsink.

Why should I get a ThinkPad over a comparable Dell model?

>>55932390
build quality and features.
also them keyboards and nipples.
also thinkpads usually work out of the box with linux without needing any third party drivers. most also work fine for hackintoshes if thats your thing.
even those with broadcom wifi chipsets.
the dell xps series is decent if you want a notebook to develop on.
the keyboard is shit though.

>>55932424
The Dell models you can compare them to are the Latitudes which are actually pretty good. The current gen ones are better than their Thinkpad contemporaries imo.

just got my t420. Came with windows 10 but I'm reinstalling because I'm paranoid.

Looking on the drivers page on support.lenovo.com, there's fucking loads of stuff for the t420. What do I actually need?

How do I get the thinkvantage button set up?

>>55930965
You can put an SSD in the main drive bay, but the mPCIe won't work with a mSATA drive.

>>55932390
Latitudes are good. It's a toss up depending on what features you want.

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the wait is killing me

>>55932532
I don't think it works on W10 but it just pulled up some shitty Lenovo app anyway. Map it to something useful with Sharpkeys.

Does anybody here have experience with ITRenewDirect

>>55932390
better trackpoint and keyboard, I also like the chinkpad design more than but that's subjective

they're both solid choices if you're going with their business series

>>55929452
Wont be anywhere till 2017 fampire, but he announced that since X62 is a success he has started work on new motherboard for T60 or T61, known as T70

He also says he is considering an X201 upgrade, the X210

>>55929419
You can always downgrade the CPU to an i5 if the heat/power draw is too bothersome

>>55933274
Thanks for the input. But I think it might be a bit too expensive.
>>55932125
I'm not sure if I'll go for it, the customs and import taxes make buying elsewhere almost if not more expensive. The professionally refurbished part and the 12 months warranty appeals to me though.

>>55932532
If you have Windows 8 or Windows 10 then go on the Store and get the Lenovo Companion and Lenovo Settings app, that will install all the stuff you need

Holy shit! Why are these Ultrabay batteries so cheap? Is this shady?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/291787612355?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

How's the dell e4310? Does it still handle itself well with an SSD and 8gb RAM? I'm considering getting it if I can't put my hands on a decent T420

>>55931445
Thanks, I'm mostly worried about compatibility.

$140 for a t420 with dock a good deal?

>>55934056
yes imo

>>55927736
>>55928164
Me again, just did some tests and seems I overestimated how hot it gets, 75-80c at 50% load and 90c at 100% load.

Whats interesting is if I run any program that maxes the cpu, say 7zip with max compression using all cores it will stay at around 90c, but as soon as I stop it it will drop to 65 in like 3 seconds.. Also checked with HWinfo and the cpu will always work at 3ghz, no or little throttling it seems.

Anyway, what worries me is the motherboard temp as it reached 93c, I assume its under or very close to the cpu, anyone knows where exactly?

Its probably the fan refusing to work at full speed as it sounds like a plane about to take off when I play games, is there a program to force it to run as fast as it can?

>have L7700
>speccy and HWMonitor say i have a T5670

weirdshitwithanx61t.webm

>>55934146
My X220 with an i7-2640M can get up to 96C under full load, and cools down just as fast as yours. No throttling unless I'm doing something nuts for an extended period of time. Not sure where the mobo sensor is on the T520, unfortunately, but if you don't notice any deleterious effects, it's likely fine.

Should I get a docking station for my W520?
What's so special about it anyways?

>>55934603
If you have to ask, you probably don't need one, honestly.

>>55934603
Do you use your Thinkpad as a desktop replacement with lots of peripherals plugged into it? Docking stations are nice because they let you pick up the laptop and take it somewhere without having to unplug all that shit and then plug it all back in when you return.

>>55934603
More ports and not needing to remove a billion things every time you take your laptop to a different place. Unless you use an external

>>55934146
X220 guy again, forgot to mention, if you fan sounds odd (like a goddamn drone or something) it may need replacing.

>>55934756
RIP my X61t.

Is $29 including shipping the cheapest I can pay for a legit ThinkPad 40Y7696 65W AC Adapter?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA4A03Y60738

Generic adapters = house fire, right?

>>55934955
It was an almost house fire for me at least.
>>55919658

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/391523917361

Just ordered this one for my uncle, did I fuck up?

There is a sale going on right now.

Is t560 a good buy? I can install ram and sad later. The reason I don't like t460 is max 1080p.

>>55935043
Looks fine, if a bit dirty.

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I have just bought a thinkpad t440s. Look at the shit that I have on screen. Looks like some pressure mark or smth. I don't even know what is it and how to google it. Can someone explain?

>>55935102
Sorry for the image size, I forgot to decrease

>>55935102
google backlight bleeding

>>55935102
Looks like backlight bleed.

>>55934955
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Genuine-Lenovo-65W-20V-Ultraport-AC-Adapter-Power-Supply-for-ThinkPad-X-Series-/401054745390

Is used genuine okay? Are there any fakes that look identical to the real thing (meaning used is unsafe)?

>>55935202
>>55921874

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Can somebody tell me what model is pic related? Thanks

>>55935121
>>55935149
Tfw backlight bleeding cannot be fixed.

>>55935369
Looks like T61

>>55935391
>>55935369
Shit, no, it's t400.

>>55935383
Screens aren't that expensive right?

>>55930179
Katso tori.fi tai nettimarkkina
Ebay:ta voin suositella vasta, kun olen varmistunut tullimaksuista. Just on X230 tulossa vajaa 230€lla.

>>55935383
Maybe it can by carefully taping the edges, I know it sounds dumb but may work.

>>55935410
T400 doesn't have red stripes on TrackPoint buttons.

>>55935482
So what model is it?

>>55935369
>>55935391
>>55935410
its a fucking x300 or x301
t. memepad master

So I have a X220i with windows 10 i've used for a while. It works just fine, some drivers were a little troublesome but I solved it.

Now the anniversary update has been installed on it, then I had to install all drivers again and source them out one more time. sigh... now the usb is wonky and it wont recognize most of my external harddrives, and I have no fucking clue why. I have tried several solutions but nothing.

I am strongly considering installing windows 7 on it. Should I?

>>55935537
Oh nice, thank you

>>55935576
Upgrade to either Win7 or GNU/Linux.

I don't get why would you willingly downgrade to 10.

>>55935576
install gentoo gnu/linux

>>55915117
lenovo r60e reporting in

>>55926158
How is it cheaper to buy more?

So I'm thinking of ordering a t460s or an X1 Carbon.

If I order the t460s with the 2.5" HDD and I wanted to upgrade to an SSD, would I need to buy a 2.5" drive or could I get an m.2 drive?

The FRU guide only has m.2 drives listed, but I want to be sure if it comes with a 2.5" drive it will still have an m.2 slot.

>>55915210
kek

>2 minutes left in auction
>W520 for 225
>think i can bid last second for another 5 dollars
>shit ton of people start bidding
>someone raises the price from 250 to 850
What the fuck
I was so excited to buy it too. The seller even lived in my city come onnnnn

>>55936047
Was it a second price auction? If so that's totally understandable and also you fucked up.

Is it a good idea to make someone i know from the US to buy and send me an refurbished T430 or T430s? The price in my country is 180 USD more than in the US.

>>55936067
Don't know what a second price auction is, so probably not. Just a regular ebay auction

Are there any other sites besides ebay or craigslist where I can find cheap thinkpads?

Is 350usd for a T530 a good deal? I desperately need a studycomputer, but buying from ebay is stupidly expensive because of all the custom charges.

>>55936369
>custom charges
Can't you buy from a more local seller?

>>55936385
Yeah, the T530 is from a guy not far from here. Most thinkpads for sale are sold by refurbishing companies like Inrego and Arrow, and their prices can be pretty steep.
How long do you think a T530 would last, assuming I popped an ssd in it and took care of it?

IS $235 expensive for a W520 2GB Ram, 250HDD.
I was thinking of just buying some extra ram at my local electronics store.
The last item I was bidding on had 16gb and was going for 250, then someone boosted that shit to 800 dollars. Having my doubts bidding on some other W520's because of that. Price might get steep like that again

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1ZD3208651
Yea or nay?

>>55936508
actually its 4gb ram

>>55936418
Long enough that you'll want something else before you actually NEED it.

>>55936589
Great! I've been looking at other options, but it seems that 350 bucks for that T530 is my best option. And from what I can gather I get better performance in a T530 than in a new computer for the same price. And from what I can gather installing an ssd is pretty easy.
Can you have a hard drive, an ssd and an optical drive at the same time perhaps?
Not that I use the optical drive often of course.

>>55936672
Yep. mSATA SSD, spinning rust in main drive bay, and optical in ultrabay. You can swap the optical for another HDD caddy if you want.

Just don't jew out and get the 1366x768 panel. It'll look like utter shit at 15.6".

>>55935417
70 dollars or something. What is the point in saving money by buying used laptop if you have to spend a lot on changing it's parts

>>55936802
Great!
Nah, it's the 1600x900 version. Used to have a 15.6" hp dv6 with that resolution and while tolerable, it wasn't very pretty.
Is there anything in particular to look out for when buying used from a regular person? I plan to have him boot it up, listen to the fan, go to properties to see if specs are correct and then see if I can get to bios. Is there anything else I should do?

New thread:
>>55936873

>>55936855
Everything you listed for sure. Also make sure the battery is in good nick and that computrace isn't enabled in BIOS and there's no admin password in BIOS.

Other than that, just look for general signs of abuse - make sure the hinge doesn't wobble, it's not all beat to shit, the screen doesn't have an intolerable amount of backlight bleed or any pressure marks, no missing keyboard keys (unless you're swapping for the '20 series keyboard anyway).