/fraud/

Aids burger.

>>42574628
Should I try SARMS? I'm 19.

>bloodwork last fall, before starting to lift regularly
>total test: 460 ng
>shbg: 31 nmol

>bloodwork this spring, after starting to lift regularly
>total test: 635 ng (1.4x higher)
>shbg: 45 nmol (1.5x higher)

could the shbg increase be due to overtraining?

>>42574686
Just roid. I started at 20 and have been blasting and cruising ever since. I make gains no matter how shitty my diet is, no matter how little I sleep, and no matter how much I party. As long as I hit calories and protein I grow like a weed.

>>42574686
no

>>42574689
>testosterone levels increase
>protein that naturally binds to testosterone also increases
Why is this surprising?

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>>42574707
>tfw gonna fraud in a few weeks when I finally get my shit
>tfw I manage my macros like an autist and got supplements for any of them in case I miss a milestone
>tfw insecure as fuck that I dont exercise properly, eat properly, or sleep properly to actually get anything out of roids
Gatekeepers getting in my head senpai, glad to see someone be honest.

>>42574747
Shbg typically decreases in an androgen rich environment

>>42574756
I'm sure my gains would be even better if I managed all that properly, but I'm happy with how I'm doing. Anybody who says roids aren't magic is lying. I gained more muscle on my first 16 week test cycle than I did in 3 years of training natty. Just lift hard, hit your calories, and hit your protein. Then fuck around as much as you like.

Can taking test change/affect your face structure if you've been semi low test and high estrogen all your life? What if you're still going through puberty?

>>42574829
I was able to grow facial hair after my first cycle and my jaw was a bit more angular.

>>42574707
I have no idea how to get roids though, and living in Sweden makes it even more difficult. SARMS are at the very least legal.

>>42574869

there are people who roid all the time in sweden, how do you think they get a hold of the gear?

Mk 677?

>>42574924
Probably some underground sources, which I don't have.

>>42574869
HUSH be quiet. I like skate BOARD. the DOT is on the wall. BIZ is terrible.

how long before being on<50 carb per day starts to be hard?

>>42574925
Paging Cap the memelord

How do I blast and cruise if I have to travel by plane for 1-2 weeks.
Smuggling steroids through security is not something I want on my criminal record.

u/d esters, frontloading, shipping gear to your destination if it's a domestic flight... smuggling isn't particularly hard but I understand not wanting to do it

>>42575092
for >>42575055 obviously

>>42574957
Scam forum from everything I've heard.

>>42575092
Ive considered mailing, but its sadly not an option.

Would there be any really bad effects from skipping and not taking any test pins for 1-2 weeks?

>>42575055
Try to get a written script from a TRT doctor and just carry that with you.

>>42575131
nah

when you PCT you stop pinning for 2 weeks before even starting taking the PCT meds so the exogenous test can fully leave your body (assuming enanthate ester). I've gone 4 weeks without pinning before hopping back on and I didn't even notice it. rapid hormonal fluctuations may definitely cause sides however so it's not like nothing's gonna happen with a 100% certainty

>>42574628
Ive just started lifting and got some questions about riods.

Theyre ban in my country, some online sites like crazybulk say they have legal alternatives, how true is this?

If i find someone selling legit riods, how much should i expect to pay monthly?

Living in New Zealand

>>42575116
Not from my experience. Buy from green shops with good feedback and you should have a close to zero chance of getting scammed.

>>42575315

All the legal alternatives are bullshit.

>when the adex kicks in and you start pissing like a racehorse

>>42575398
Well you know it was necessary than.. Why didn't you start sooner if you were holding onto that much water already?

>>42574686
You're not done growing till 21, just wait.

finally got TRT and hgh rx from mexican doctor. no more faggot reddit sources to deal with, i am finally free. norditropin pens and whatever testosterone the pharmacy has, i can get up to 10 days. its gonna cost me about 10k per year lol

>>42575761
*can get up to 6iu per day and 200mg every 10 days

>>42575761
Why doesn't your insurance cover it if you get it prescribed? 10k is still a lot honestly even when its pharma grade.

>>42575803
because im from socialist shitstan called canada

i flew to puerto vallarta to visit a clinic there. its basically for rich people. im not rich but 10k a year is worth it to never have to send money to some basement faggot brewer or some sketchy lithuianian hgh site. every 3 months they mail me my updated prescription from usa. they apparently just bring it over the border from mexico to send to me.

they also had mexican pharma gh that was cheaper but i just wanted the international reputable pharma brand, plus i learned norditropin are the most shelf stable.

>>42575912
I was gonna shit on you until I learned you were from Canada. Jesus I feel bad for the people up north, y'all are kinda fucked when it comes to good sources.

Got an Anavar experience to report.

I'm 6 weeks into a 24 week Test E 200mg/Equipoise 400mg E3D cycle and I planned to use 80mg ED of Anavar from Week 1-6. Cool. Cycle starts, and around day 5 I am tired as FUCK. Anavar lethargy is fucking REAL and it hit me like a ton of bricks. I've done 2 cycles prior to this (test e + dbol for the first, test e and deca for the 2nd. both awesome) and holy fuck, I know it's the anavar. I lowered the dose to 60mg and somehow made it to week 4 with absolutely no improvement with this fucking insidious lethargic feeling. I'm an idiot for staying on it that long - I felt fucking awful. I went off it completely and a couple days later I felt completely normal again. Like flipping a switch. It was definitely the anavar.

I'll probably never try Anavar again. Brand is Teragon, and I love all of their other shit, so I think it's just my response to Anavar that sucks. Imagine feeling like you only got 2-4 hours sleep a night - that's 60/80mg of Anavar for you in a nutshell. It's funny - I wanted to try Anavar because it's low on the sides, yet the one that wasn't androgenically-related fucked me the hardest.

Beware.

>>42576348
Lol


You take about 40x the dose anavar was designed for because it was reccomended online and you are surprised? I always got results off as little as 15-20mg a day. You were taking over a quarter gram per week. Your lipids are fucked.

>>42576348
Btw anavar is a dht derived steroid. So you calling it a non androgen first of all is retarded and second incorrect. This is what happens when you learn about steroids from reddit. I literally take 20mg pre workout and within 3 days i get pumps and my skin starts to get redder from the blood

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>>42574628
For the guys on gear. Do you tell your doctor your on the juice so he can monitor important bloodwork and shit, Or do you find a gear friendly doctor?

>>42576398

I did plenty of reading prior to choosing that dose. Many reported nothing adverse at that dosage, so your comment confuses me a bit. I know 5-10mg is common for women - would a 220lb man really see any benefit from Anavar at 20mg a day?

>>42576414

I didn't call it a non-androgen, jesus fuck man. Read my post. I said I wanted to try it because as far as orals go, it's one of the best for androgen-related sides. I didn't say it wasn't non-androgenic, you stupid fuck.

>>42576398

Not a 160lb manlet like you either, I expect. That or you're literally a woman.

>>42576418

Gear-friendly doctors are very rare. It seems like they generally consider it an unhealthy drug habit.

I told my doctor, because I started self-administered TRT and wanted help sifting through all of the information about long-term fertility concerns, and it was a mess. He lectured me on how it was unhealthy and I shouldn't do it and how it'll mess up my blood work and yadda yadda yadda.... Didn't even address my questions. Not to mention he hand-waved my description of my symptoms and how much better I feel now.

And now I have to deal with him harassing me about coming off every time I interact with him or his staff. Fucking annoying.

Just do blood work privately, and don't tell your doctor. I really wish that wasn't the best advice I could give. I wish I could say, "it's an important part of your health and should be mentioned," but they just don't understand or care.

>>42576418
I just went into a clinic and said I need bloodwork, I do steroids. He gave me the obligatory talk as is his duty of care and ever since he just checks my bp and heartbeat. Australia btw.
To find a doctor to monitor your health won't be a problem, to find a "gear friendly doctor" idk I think you have to know the right people and have a good wad of cash.

>>42576418
just find a urologist and say you feel like you're low T and/or your balls hurt. They'll do a blood test for everything you need for roiding and give you a prostate massage.

>>42574829
my face changed a fair bit after i started TRT.

i've been thinking of posting a face pic but then i snap out of it and realize this is /fraud/

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So my friend has 'been the gym a few times' before and at 5'7 with 57kg of mass behind him that he's ready to hop on the gear..

He has no knowledge of nutrition and is 18. From what he's informing me it's going to be 4 weeks of dbol with nolva on hand and clomid pct..

He's ignorant as fuck and isn't going to be convinced otherwise, I'm just curious how much is he going to fuck his body up?

>>42576730
>mass behind him that he's ready to hop on the gear.
mass behind him that he thinks he's ready to hop on the gear.

>>42576730
Your friend should start eating and working out first lmao.

>>42576730
he will have a pretty shit 8 weeks and zero gains.

chance on complete fuck up of testosterone levels are hit or miss.

>>42576730
I mean...he'll recover but fuck that is stupid

>let's take an anabolic that suppresses testosterone

>>42576730
He probably won't get any permanent damage. He will just end up feeling like shit and losing all his water gains.

>>42576418
Listen here buddy, you NEVER tell your primary care physician that you are on gear. Insurance companies are looking for every excuse to not pay for your shit and recreational drug use is a hell of a valid reason to not pay. Furthermore, it's a valid reason to just kick you off from coverage entirely and tell you to go fuck yourself. Outside of a legitimate TRT prescription from a legitimate doctor in a legitimate clinic (in most cases these are all private and paid for with cash), there are very few scenarios where a doctor would be ok having you under their care. Ignoring the liability side, doctors can't just Willy Nilly order tests and prescribe drugs without reason. Your insurance isn't going to cover it, they'll get pissed at the doctor, and everyone looks bad.

There are some isolated cases I have seen where someone who has fucked up their bodies hormonal milieu from roids has successfully seeked the help of a PCP, but that is a bit different.

Tl;dr: do your own blood work or find a doctor from an anti-aging clinic retarded enough to supervise a healthy 20 something year old administering themselves illegal drugs

>>42576916
Are you talking about US insurance or EU insurance.

>>42575573
I can't tell. I honestly have no high estrogen side effects and I look like shit constantly so I can't tell whether or not I'm bloated. I just pop one every few days to stay safe and so far it's been good

>>42576931
US...I don't know how that shit hole EU works. It wouldn't surprise me if you all pay for the healthcare of retards that don't make the effort to use roids correctly

>>42576931
you can't be kicked off of universal public health insurance, that's the entire fucking point

>>42576916
>NEVER tell your primary care physician that you are on gear.

Ever heard of "medical confidentiality"?

>>42575315
There is a kiwi that juices with great prices. Even got his orals into Aus no problem.

>>42576952
ive heard conflicting shit about how insurance will not pay off shit in accidents because "muh roid rage" or "muh drug addict" and since im on legitimate TRT i don't know how it would work out in that case.

>>42576958

That isn't how anything works. You have a medical profile which is disclosed to insurance companies prior to them providing you coverage...this is why you get blood tested prior to being put on a new plan. They want to see who they are insuring and how to rate them accordingly. If the doctor makes note of your AAS use in the file or if they see your prior prescriptions or any shit like that, it is going to be a massive red flag.

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>>42576916
You doctor cannot give your insurer a medical reason to kick you off your plan, ever heard of doctor patient confidentiality laws?

>doctors can't just Willy Nilly order tests and prescribe drugs without reason
WTF? Yes they can...who do you think orders tests and prescribe drugs?

Gotta get yourself off that there obamacare and get a real healthcare policy, cuz sounds like you are getting shafted.

>>42576730
Literally all he needs for gains on gear is not to have a shit diet.

>>42577056
Go try and ask your doctor for a blood test for a blood test to check your testosterone or estrogen. If you're a healthy young male, they are going to tell you to go fuck yourself (or if you had my doctor who was nice enough to shoehorn undiagnosed hypertension as the reason) because it's not clinically significant. Anyways, I'm not going to argue about this anymore. I work in health insurance and see this shit constantly. It's a bad idea. Best case scenario the doctor tells you to get out of their office. Worst case, you lose coverage entirely.

Anyone got any interesting steroid horror stories?

>I work in health insurance and see this shit constantly.
Nice dude, I make $100,000 a year working at Wendy's as a fry cook. I also have a 9-inch cock.

>>42577152
go look at /r/steroids progress pics. hilarious af

>>42577163
Is it because of their weird fascination about posting pictures of their dicks when they post progress?

>>42577174
no its because dyels go on big boy blasts with shit diets and shit training and end up still dyel.

its fun

Will I irrucovuly fuck up my body cruising on 300mg test for life?

>>42577189
whats the point in basically wasting money on AI and a baby blast for the rest of your life

>>42576418
Lol no.

Insurance will fuck you.
Also you get lumped in with drug abuse group if you need an organ, which means every person on earth other than a 100 year old man obese man on his death bed gets preference before you.

>>42577181
Nice call out damn just @ me next time ho

>>42576730
impyling its not you, cock gobler

>>42577207
youre a fucking retard

>>42577189
no, and 300mg a week is great. I started getting bacne all over like fucking crazy though. I think I need to give blood.

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Sup breh's fat fuck here, buddy got me a bottle of Anavar for my bday the other week, I lift 6x a week but still fat. Should I take this shit or just keep it for the future?

>>42578273
It won't make you lose fat if you are not in a calorie deficit, it'll preserve strength and muscle on a calorie deficit

>>42578273
>I lift 6x a week
That's great, try eating about a thousand calories less and doing cardio 6x a week.

>>42578371
>implying he has any muscle under the fat

>>42574778
Production of both shbg and thyroglubulin is most impacted by estrogen. Higher test levels implies higher estrogen via aromatase. At any rate it's of no concern.

>>42575055
One week is no issue at all. Two weeks will be kinda shitty but doable. I've personally gone for 10 days, just pinned double before I left and then felt fine despite my levels falling through the trip.

how do I go about lowering by LDL? cardio? diet?

>>42578442
yes

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Guys, I am injecting 125mg of test per week and I've noticed this pattern in my mood.


>Day 1: Normal Mood
>Day 2: Depressed/Moody/Irritable
>Day 3: Depressed/Moody/Harder to focus and worse memory
>Day 4: Normal mood, better cognition
>Day 5: Good mood, pretty good
>Day 6 Euphoric, almost manic, best I've ever been in all regards
>Day 7: Euphoric, almost manic, best I've ever been in all regards
After two days of injecting, my blood levels show 1143ng/dL of total testosterone, and my Estrogen at 25ng/dL. (331pmol/l range: 99-192).
I figure the depression must obviously be cause by the estrogen spike, but I have no luck controlling for it with Letrozol. I seem to either take so little I get no discernible effects, or so much that I continue to be depressed + joint pain. What could I do about this? Should I buy a different Aromatase Inhibitor?

>>42576958
You have to sign away your privacy to get insurance dumbass. I wish children would stop posting. How the fuck is insurance going to pay for your care if you won't let them see what care you are getting?

>>42578479
Letros pretty harsh and excessive for 125mg p/w.
What are you dosing it at? Did you wait to get bloods before you started using it?
Try Adex @ .25mg EOD either way

>>42578497

>What are you dosing it at?

1/8 for no effects of a 2.5mg pill
around 4/8 for painful joints 2.5 pill

>Did you wait to get bloods before you started using it?

No, bloods only show Test-E without anything else.


>Try Adex @ .25mg EOD either way

Aight, I'll see if I can find a source. Those estrogen spikes succ.

>>42576444
lol 205lb @ 5'10

>>42578520
also even though it's 125mg split it between to pins p/w. You may need to cut it with more oil to make the measuring easier but more stable levels will do you some good.

MasT, when you do your like cyclic keto cut diet do you increase the frequency of the high carb days as you get leaner or the opposite?

>>42578612

Makes sense.

I've been meaning to try sub-cutaneous injections, so I might give injecting every 3-4 days a try.

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I'm going to try bulking again.

>>42578672
Enanthate esters have a half life of around 3-4 days so you should be injecting at least twice a week for relatvely stable levels. I'd be willing to bet that if you got some 1mL slin pins and started pinning EOD most of your problems would go away. Also there's no way in hell you need letro for 125mg of test pw. You may not even need an AI period.

>>42578705

How much would I be injecting EOD. Around 40mg? I've never tried this, but I am definitely going to give it a try.

>>42578702
You should try bulking naturally.

>>42578730
Yeah, somewhere in the 30-50mg range. Ideally you want to find a spot where you don't need any AI.

>>42578702
ty for returning more terrifying than ever.
>>42578737
What's the point of that?

>>42578742

Awesome, definitely giving it a try. Thanks for the idea, Anon.

>>42578751
ahaha I wouldn't say terrifying but ty duder. I haven't even been paying attention to diet just crazy 2x a day lifting.
>>42578737
That happened when I was natty. I got pretty heavy.

>>42578767
fuck I wish I had time for that. I've moved about a month ago and like doubled my commute. Means cardio, rehab and lifting in one session and it's awful

>>42578795
I bought a ps4 recently and then returned it; realized that between lifting, cooking, working and other priorities I didn't really have time for it. It's just a priorities thing. I really enjoy lifting and how "therapeutic" it is for me so I make time twice a day. Keep in mind this makes me totally neet status since I barely leave the house aside from appointments or the gym.

first cycle 18 years old with winstrol only. is it good idea bcz i already have slight gyno from puberty im thinking of an operation in the future. but is there a problem if i do it


>>42574628

>>42578820
It's funny like that. Don't even watch tv now and I don't miss it, don't really look at social media. Lexapro is doing it's thing but I'm slowly going hermit mode so I think I need to make time for socializing and not let that happen.

>>42578866
I basically just make time for my lady, that's it. I'm such a homebody and I feel guilty spending money frivolously, so I just don't go out on weekends or really buy things aside from food. She doesn't really like when I treat her to expensive things either. We decided we'd rather save and go on trips 2-3x a year. In October I think we're headed to Hawaii for a week and then Thailand in the spring. Other than that I just work, lift and smash.

>>42578892
Sounds amazing bimbs, glad your life is going so well.

What kind of work do you do nowadays?

>>42578963
Dropped porn. Sometimes I get calls for fitness modeling but it doesn't pay much and they never use my pictures anyways. I mostly just sell life investments (final expense and mortgage protection). Good money if you keep at it. Some dude here kept thinking I traded stocks as a broker? I just have my s7 for variable life products because sometimes people have 300k to invest in variable annuities and the pay out on those is crazy. I just got my nasm so when I move I'll just get a part time gig at a gym too. I really want to be low key for a while. Just work, lift and be with my lady. Goal in 3-5 years is to have enough saved up to start a family and my lady is down. She's financially really well off so I'd like to coach part time and raise a kid.

In between now and then? Travel and save.

>>42578995
Nice, sounds nice man. You're a good guy you deserve a good life.

>>42579078
That's a really kind thing to say. I appreciate that sentiment. Where are you headed with current goals?

>gf has started threatening to withhold sex for a week when I do things she doesn't like

Oops time to cheat haha

>>42579173
Shitty game playing. Just play it cool when she does this. Go into it expecting to call her bluff but when the time comes and she's still withholding just say "okay well I'm getting laid tonight regardless". But really find a new lady.

>>42579173
it's time to leave

>>42579091
I'm doing allright, pretty much plateaud on 'natty' potential. Currently not frauding, but looking pretty decent (for normies). Did 1 short cycle a year ago but decide its not my time yet. Got 6 months left in uni before I get my degree which I am really looking forward to.

>>42579247
Wow that's really responsible of you. I couldn't do it. I love being on too much, but I have a deep respect for those that understand themselves enough to know when to not partake. What's your degree and what're you gonna do with it?

How're your lifts?

>>42579173
Time to put a ring on that finger.

>>42579266
Where can I find your pornos? (no homo)

>>42579266
My lifts are not top tier, I focus mostly on Olympic lifts nowadays because that's most fun for me. Sitting around 105kg c&j and 85kg snatch at around 75kg bw (5'9).

I'm actually studying medicine, hope to get into urology (inb4 someone says 'LOL dicks') but the combination of surgeries you can do (ranging from microsurgeries to bladder augmentation), as well as the theoretical aspect (both endocrinologic and neurologic understanding of bladder and genitals) really fascinate me.

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>>42579361
good stuff man, best of luck

>>42579361
That's really cool. I'm always so impressed with other people and their interests. I'm just a big meathead but I have such admiration for dudes like you. Keep at man and stay positive.

>>42579384
>>42579373
Thanks guys.

>>42579361
Closet faggot

>started 1st test cycle two weeks ago
>left nut has become sore

Am I gonna die /fraud/?

>>42579671
I'm afraid you'll have to have it removed.

theres literally guys on reddit steroids forum right now taking 700mg+ of tren for 10+ months so they can stay ripped while eating whatever they want and so they feel more alpha for their wage cucks jobs

combine that with the brigade of people going "Wahhh! the only diff between me and the champs is the drug doses! Wahhhh" while totally ignoring their blaise lifestyle and laziness and lack of intensity and dedication, as well as genetics....

what a pathetic world.

Been having some dick problems lately, three options: Purely mental, Low E2 or High E2. Can't get blood work for at least a fortnight.

Cycle:
- 500 test/w
- 20mg sdrol/d (stopped on Friday)

Symptoms:
- Libido is lessened, but not gone
- Dick is struggling to get hard and then actually start hard
- Elbows ache
- Bit lethargic
- Sleeping poorly

The problem is I was only taking 12.5mg Asin EOD, surely not enough to crash e2 right?

Worth noting that I have gone weeks in the past without taking an AI on 500 test and I never had any high e2 symptoms, or any symptoms similar to this.

Last Asin dose was Friday, still not back to normal.

>>42579671
you're fucked m8, unlucky

>>42579716
That's a lot of steroids. 250 test does me really well.

>>42579732
I'd say hold off on the asin for another week and see if things improve. If they do, restart it at lowered dosage.

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What is tren and what does he do

>>42579873
Thanks man, I'm currently three days without any Asin so I'll chill until at least Friday amd see where it takes me.

Anyone tried trest? How's blood pressure on it? If you control your estrogen it's fine? (I don't get high BP on high test with high estro but I do on dbol)

How do I find out if my boyfriend is on Steroids.
I'm not against it but he seems super covert about it.

I just got my Therma Labs Superstack containing per cap: 100 mg Caffeine
50 mg Ephedrine
50 mg DMAA
150 mg L- Tyrosin
150 mg Ma Huang
How will this affect me and my training?
Any specific diet to get full effect from it?

So I'm a NEET with a home gym and roiding on test and tren (cutting, 1800kcals a day). Currently 90kg 5ft11, bf% down from 18% to 16% in a couple weeks, weight hasn't changed.
Just wondering if my training should change since its impossible for me to overtrain now. I do PPL and it takes me about an hour and 15 every day; should I add in even more volume? Or some cardio maybe? I just wanna drop the bf% numbers even faster than I already am

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>>42578702
Height? Weight? Cycle? You're making me question my sexuality

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>>42577885
>If I die, I die

>>42580189
so he should be
it's not exactly legal

>>42574628
I'm doing this for the first time. Got test propionate, arimi and nova.
Is HCG compulsory?

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>>42580236
>since its impossible for me to overtrain now

>>42580313
not unless you want to make babies

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Dinner with the whole family yesterday

>Anon, you're looking big
>Thanks
>You're not on steroids are you? Haha
>N-No

THEY KNOW

>>42580318
Borderline impossible. My recovery is through the roof, I know I can handle a lot more volume

>>42572961
>I was serious about the whisky before a fasted workout, m8s.
>> ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK22524/
>> alcohol disrupts glucogenesis and kick starts ketosis
>> provides energy and doesn't break your fast
>> Arnold reportedly drank a bottle of wine before every workout to numb the pain and allow him to push himself further
>> independent.co.uk/news/alcohol-before-exercise-cuts-heart-strain-1337879.html
>> Alcohol before workout reduces strain on heart (and muscle catabolism)
>> leangains.com/2010/07/truth-about-alcohol-fat-loss-and-muscle.html
>> moderate alcohol consumption is healthy
>> healthiest time to drink it is pre-workout imo
>Also a few things I know of off-hand but don't care to find the source...
>> a UK study involving a new liver damage detection machine indicated no liver damage in people who drank 40-50 beers a week for 20 years, mainly binge-drinking on the weekends
>> Dietetics Phd Kurtis Frank believes an occasional alcohol binge followed by a nutritious recovery may mimic a workout for the brain
>> alcohol doesn't actually cause brain damage aside from Thiamine deficiency
>Of course this all mainly applies if you're a fucking White male and don't turn into a combative asshole when drinking. Asians, women, and to a much lesser extent, niggers, shouldn't drink alcohol beyond a glass of wine a day.


Well ethanol is a fourth kind of macronutrient.

>>42580326
Exactly the same over here
I have nothing against admitting I use steroids since they're legal here, but the moment you do everyone just trivialises all your diet/workouts as 'ooh its steroids. I'd look like you too if I did steroids'. I try to keep it quiet so my fat as fuck dad might actually be inspired to put down the chips and get in the gym.

>>42580326
Just say "Not yet" and keep eating.

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>>42580359
>tfw explain to my mom why people use steroids
>explain testosterone levels decreasing with age, better recovery, etc
>"Anon I don't care how old you are, if you EVER do steroids then you're no better than the guy shooting up heroin on the streets."
>mfw I'm roiding right now
Th-thanks for being supportive mommy

>>42580322
I better get some then, thanks anon.

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>>42580402
I've tried explaining TRT to my mom too, she's been brainwashed by the government into thinking steroids are evil incarnate too, meanwhile she herself takes estrogen due to the fact that women's estrogen levels drop with age as well as men's testosterone levels. Yet she says she'd be heartbroken if I ever took steroids. She's coming around on the TRT question but she's still hypocritical as fuck in these regards.

>>42580356
I'm not embarrased about it or anything since I told a few of my close friends. They're good friends who also go to the gym and I'd feel bad if I lied to them by saying I was all natural. I think it would put them off if I was making big gains while going to the gym the same number of days they do. It's also not illegal here in the UK (only selling) so it's not a law issue either.

I just don't want to have to deal with a talk with my parents and family while they talk about how they watched some documentary and "DID YOU KNOW THAT TAKING STEROIDS IS LITERALLY ONE OF THE MOST DANGEROUS THINGS YOU CAN DO, YOU CAN ALSO GET HYPER AIDS FROM DIRTY NEEDLES AN' SHEEIT"

Even if I told them about all the research I've done and the fact that I'm ridiculously anal about cleanliness they'll still find a way to say I'm killing myself. I think my dad would be ok with it since one of his close friends used to compete in the Mr UK championships and was open about taking steroids but my mother will likely screech and start giving me a lecture, can't be bothered with it.

>>42580402
>>42580434
Did you remind her that estrogen is a steroid, and that its made from testosterone?

>>42580457
I'm not >>42580402 so I can't answer for him but yeah I did explain that estrogen is a sex steroid to my mom which is the only reason she started coming around a little on the TRT question.

>>42579173
Say: I don't mind, sex wasn't even that good so i could not really bother.

That she's even has the balls to say shit like that, man you're beyond lost now. You're a fucking KEK.

Seriously when i read shit like this i get fucking mad af. Everywhere around me there are cucks like you fucking keeping this cancer alive.

why do people say that you shouldnt use steroids above 15% bodyfat? what about powerlifters, strongman, people who have trt. is it a myth?

>>42580560
Side Effects of cycling at higher body fat exist. Like Increased Testosterone to Estrogen conversion and higher levels of water retention.

>>42580560
It means that if you don;'t even have the dedication to cut to a reasonable body fat without steroids you should stay the fuck away from them.

>tfw starting to get a bit of bacne across my shoulders and upper arms

Fuck, anything I can do to stop it?

>>42579173
>wow why do men have to be such PIGS and cheat on their wives and girlfriends, I mean I can't possibly understand why men would decide to sleep with someone else, the fault is certainly not mine at the very least as I dindu nuffin, this is why I need feminism >:(((((

>>42579173
>Not cheating regardless
fucking lol.

but yeah if she pulls that shit you are justified getting your fix other places, or honestly, just end it immediately. Don't enable that kind of childish threatening passive aggressive behavior.

It's only justified to not want to have sex with your partner based on their actions, if it has such a strong emotional impact that they literally lose all desire for sex. But I highly doubt you did anything even close to that level.

>>42580637
Yeah I'm experiencing the same thing which is weird. I've never considered myself as someone that gets acne but I remember as a young teen now I had these weird dots called keratosis Pilaris and now the roids are bringing them back. It's not that bad though, I just plan to start tanning. What I'm more annoyed with is the fucking Back hair

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1 week since finishing PCT and as to be expected strength is down, however still maintaining weight.

When can I expect to start putting strength back on?

>>42579173
>time to cheat

Lmao she already is, surprised it has taken you this long.

>>42581006
This

First cycle, does it look okay?
15 week
1-15: test e 250 mg mon/fri
Week 1-15: 12.5 mg Aromasin E3D
Wk 4-17 hCG = 250iu twice/wk day before test injection.
Wait 2 weeks.
Pct:
Nolvadex: 40/40/20/20

PCT
Begins wk 18 to wk 20

>>42581324
Another one that can be considered 'safer', since it focuses on recovery in case you get cold feet and never want to roid again after.

- Week 1 to 12: Testosterone enanthate @ 250 mg every 3.5 days (500mg/week total)
- Week 1 to 12: hCG @ 250 iu every 3.5 days (500 iu/week total)
- Week 1 to 14: Arimidex @ 0.25mg every other day (From day 2 up until post cycle therapy (pct) starts)

PCT:
Clomid @ 75/50/50/50
Nolvadex @ 40/20/20/20

>>42581387
Seems very similar to mine just shorter, is that the only difference? Can I leave the clomid out?

I think muh body can't take more low dose tren cruising. what would you substitute it for in a test + tren cruise

>>42581453
Wtf, tren only? Why?

Why not just do 100mg test, 100-150mg tren? Much stronger than 200-250mg test.

>>42581527
I'm sorry I meant what you would substitute the tren for in a test + tren cruise, with.

>>42581548
DHB if you can get it, otherwise there is Mast, but it wont help build much.

What problems did you have with tren?

>>42581527
I'm not that guy, but I've been using 200mg Mast-E with 100mg Test-E / wk ( as my cruise for the past year bloodwork was good), but I'm thinking about switching the 200mg of Mast for 100mg Tren-E.

Do you have any experience with this? Would tren / test cruise lead to good gains and good results on blood test?

>>42581324
Looks solid. My only recommendation would be to consider upping the test slightly. AI dose might be a bit too high, try 6.25mg every 2-3d after the second week.

>source: doing 350mg test-e and took 12.5mg and got sick as fuck the next morning

>>42581572
Ive used tren, but I havent at low dosage. But we all know tren is way more powerful than test, so it should give better results than replacing it with the same amount of test.

I get ridiculous libido, and eventually night sweats every now and then.

I guess it depends on if that low dosage of tren gives you side effects since ia cruise is long term between blasting.

>>42581569
I suspect it was tren that completely fucked up my already shitty autoimmune system
other than that I just had bad sleeps on it
Not looking to build much while cruising anyway. thanks.

>>42581577
Okay thanks man. How you finding the gains/sides.

>>42581595
Well bad sleeping is 99% the tren.

You could just cruise 200-250mg test in that case. Though Mast may provide more libido according to some people, and better cosmetic effect.

>>42580189
You tell him you don't have anything against himvusing steroids but you'd just want to know the truth. And then you ask him.

Doing 250mg of Test E every 3 days.

What's the normal dosing protocol for letrozole? I've never had it before.

>>42580819
When your strength doesn't decline anymore

Do any of you follow the Berardi "massive eating" style of dieting?

I've seen some really, really big dudes who swear by it, but I've also seen some claims that its principles are on a shaky-at-best nutritional foundation. It's totally possible that the science is unimportant, and it just establishes good habits.

Rough overview off the top of my head for those too lazy to google it:
- avoid eating meals high in both carbs and fats (i.e. meals are sorted into "P+C" and "P+F", with <10g of the third macro, not counting vegetable carbs because of fiber)
- eat every 2-3 hours
- cut out carbs in the evening (overruled by 1-2 post-workout meals)
- eat 1.5-2 g/lb of protein per day

Supposedly all of this will make both gaining and losing more efficient.

>>42581627
>better cosmetic effect
what did he mean by this

Is 300 test e too low for a first cycle?

>>42581840
no

>>42581767
That's just common sense though??

>>42581840
yes, do 500.

300 will shut you down just as much as 500.

>>42581877

A lot of it, yeah. He had some litany of studies to support all of it, but most of them were disputed (primarily the one about fats and carbs together causing fat gain).

I think the big thing (which I forgot to mention) that people disagreed with was his calorie calculator, which puts out pretty big numbers for maintenance. I've maintained on around 3100 calories in the past, but it said I'd need 4600 to maintain.

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>>42580628
i do just couldnt be bothered to cut again
this is me when i was tiny natty lean

>>42582098
started test-e and dbol cycle 5 days ago at like 16-18% bodyfat and bulking hard
i take 20mg aromasin everyday to try and counter the effects

>>42580244
6'5 240ish
250 test for now upping 500/500/20 test dhb sdrol soon

>tfw your shaker bottle smells so bad you're actually considering just buying a new one

>>42582354
i had severe diarrhea for the same reason until i noticed it came from the shit thats rotting inside my shaker.

>>42582385
I'm sad to hear your boyfriend had to dip his dick in willy wonkas river until you realized that

I've added over 30lbs to my bench in 2 months of test blast. Is it ok?

>>42582472
this means nothing without the starting weight and your own weight

how about your own progress pre roids? how much did your bench increase in the two months before that?

>>42582508
That's a lot of questions, I'm out.

>>42582529
no stay

>>42582399
literally what, senpai

Any steroid other than tren with "magic partitioning" properties? (orals included)

>>42582618
Sdrol shovels sugar into muscle pretty well

Just pinned for first time ever 250mg test e

too easy.

>>42582798
see you tomorrow

Literally just recieved my LGD-4033 today.
Should I take it now?
Even if it's later in the day and I already lifted this morning?

>>42582798
One thing no one told me is that if you switch between the same two spots (left side right side) every 3.5 days you get inflammation enough that it starts to hurt quite a bit. Cycle between four spots instead, so for example left quad right quad, then left glute right glute.


Also post injection pain is most common the day after.

>>42582857
I guess if I took it now I'd just have to take it at this time every day. Which would be better for weekends. So here goes nothing.

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Is HCG enough to stay fertile if blasting and cruising for life? I've heard conflicting reports about HCG vs HMG, since HMG is both LH and FSH it supposedly produces healthier sperm. But I've also heard people say that HCG is all you need to stay fertile. Currently the information I'm reading is telling me this is wrong because HMG also has FSH which is critical in spermatogenesis and thus should be critical in maintaining fertility right?

I'd like to hear what you guys have to say and if you have any research papers thatd be nice too.

>>42583018
you are not un-fertile when you BnC. Plenty of people get their wifes preggo while cruising for years.
And when they come off they are still fertile.
You are an idiot and you make me mad

Why do 90% of Reddit's "before and after" cycle pics look almost exactly the same? Are they just retarded or do people really have genetics that bad? They use tren and end up looking the same.

>>42583075
mix of, no one is lean enough and shit genetics

Is 5x5 fine for Test?

>>42583018
Yes, HMG is preferable to HCG. Spermatogenesis is dependent on FSH and also local testosterone levels. HCG is an analogue of LH, which raises testosterone levels, keeping your balls from atrophying but also not necessarily preventing loss of sperm production. HCG is better than nothing, but if you have access to HMG you should use that.

>>42582111
updat i not taking aromasin anymore nolvadex now

>>42582893
well that's not true. you're just injecting wrong.

you can do e3.5d alternating two sites until you start developing scar tissue. inflammation isn't normal

>>42583070
this is wrong btw

>>42583199
>[citation needed]

>>42583070
I know that you don't become completely infertile, but if I'm blasting and cruising for life then after a few years of completely suppresed LH and FSH I'm sure my sperm will be weak as fuck. Also I looked at chinese studies where they were testing some long acting ester of Test as a male birth control solution, and in a fairly large portion of people they became infertile after like 6~ months.

>>42583100
Guess it's time to find a HMG source, although it seems HCG is much easier to find

>>42583218
no it's basic science actually

you're not gonna be at literally 0 sperm so pregnancies are technically possible but you're considered medically infertile because you're way below viability, density and activity ratios

>>42583280
That is true, but at this point we're just arguing semantics.

>>42578051
Nah.

If I were ever to hop on the gear I'd be doing a 12 week test e cycle, I already considered it and realised how dumb it was considering I'm still too young and haven't even finished off fixing up a solid diet.

I just wanted to help my friend not fuck himself up cus of his 'bro' work buddy

>>42583103
You are a retard....nolvadex isn't a fucking AI. You need to keep taking the aromasin.

>>42583438
He should use ralox instead, since it doesn't reduce IGF1. Estradiol is anabolic too. TIME FOR GAINS

I've increased my ai to 0.5mg of adex ed (from eod). How long do i have to before doing blood work? Is 6 days enough?

>>42583438

an actual bodybuilding physician who is jacked told me that, im sure you know more then him :-)

>>42583697
>18% bf retard "bulking hard" on test + dbol using nolva as a ghetto AI
oh boy this is gonna be great

>>42575055
That depends on what country you are residing in and which you are arriving in. Unless you are running a Fat Stack you can claim personal use. They generally don't give a shit if Steroids aren't US-style controlled substance as long as it isn't an amount that is reasonable to claim you are 'distributing'.

>>42583731
>>42583697
Oh yeah was he also the one that told you to start taking a massive dose of aromasin ED 5 days into your beginner cycle? I hope to God you're a troll because it pains me to have to share this earth with someone this stupid.

>>42583697
He would have also told you then that running wet compounds above 12% is an extremely easy way to fuck with your hormonal response due to fat cells acting as estrogen fuckin sponges.

Look if all you care about is not growing a pair of nice ole mammary glands, use Nolva, but at 18% fuckin BF you should keep the Aromasin in your system. There are far more side effects from raising the amount of E in your system 5x than just growing titties.

>>42583731
>>42583759
>>42583761
https://forums.t-nation.com/u/physiolojik/summary

go argue with him

>>42580189
Look at his fucking ballsack.

>>42579890
Tren is jesus in a bottle. Instead except of love and shit he teaches you how to look ripped and fuck bitches. Also occasionally causes small bouts of mood swing and psychosis at really heavy dosages.

>>42580189
Step 1, become a world class athlete.
Step 2, collect some of his urine.
Step 3, cheat your test with his urine
Step 4, become banned and know whether he is on sturrods or not.

>>42583783
>I don't know enough to argue so I'm going to appeal to authority

>>42583759
the aromasin was a mistake from me and he corrected it

>>42583794
He actually got small balls.

>>42583839
im sure a bunch of anonymous bro scientists know more then a physician :-)

>>42583783
Is this your thread? Kek

https://forums.t-nation.com/t/test-ethenate-500mg-week-nolvadex-questions/232614/16

>>42583858

>physician
>automatically having decent knowledge about roids

pick one

>>42583858
I guarantee you I know more about sports and steroids than my fucking physician. He's a fucking idiot.

>>42583858
Appeal to authority.

>>42583901
fallacy fallacy

>>42583921
Fallacy fallacy fallacy

>>42583921
I can make things up too, but I don't. Think critically my dude. Not every physician is going to know everything, just as not every faggot on 4chan will know his bicep from his quadricep.

A big doctor is probably big because he has an idea but anyone with experience with ai and hormones will tell you running straight nolva is a shitty idea.

So guys does anyone have the number of AAS related deaths a year? It's kind of interests me to know as I understand there is always a risk of messing up your endocrine system etc but death? How likely as a young healthy male.

>>42583877
>>42583890
>>42583901
>>42583921
im not trying to argue, i dont know shit about gear. im trying to do the things that will give me the best result and i trust a jacked physician more then you faggots. :^)

>>42583856
Has he had small balls always or have they shrunk in circumference recently-ish. If so, you have your answer.

>>42583783
>Dude even tells you that you should drop your bf% before going on pharma
>Says you shouldnt get adverse estrogen effects with that stack size
>This is true
>Stack is for little child

Shouldnt =/= Cant
People respond differently and without looking at your bloodwork and medical history there is legit zero way of ascertaining whether you do or do not need AIs on that stack. Shit some niggas can run 2gs of gear without AIs and do fine. Point is, better to not be a dipshit than be a dipshit and then have your feet swell like a fuckin woman on menopause so bad you cant put your shoes on.

>>42580189
Smaller balls

Acne on back, shoulders and chest

Sudden dramatic 1-2 week increase in size (water weight from certain orals)

Sudden very noticeable growth of the trapezius muscle

Inhuman strength increase

Those are the most obvious ones. One of them doesn't necessarily mean steroid use, but more than one usually does.

>>42583979
i can always take my aromasin again if something like that happens. i didnt mean to trigger everyone just want to get the most out of my gear. i know its bad to start with 18% bodyfat just couldnt wait desu

>>42583967
Difficult to ascertain since usually the people that run enough AAS to where they are even remotely dangerous are on a ton of other shit.

Like can you tell if it's the AAS, the hGH, the Insulin, the Diuretics, the 1g of Amphetamine as a Pre-Workout to deal with the Trenlethargy?

You'll never have a good number. But really, it's usually the combination of Insulin and Amphs. Or the Diuretics. Diuretics can do some seriously fucked up shit to your kidneys.

Dropped the yohimbine, kept the 50mcg of T3.

2 weeks into Tren E, already look insanely bigger and more cut.

Calm as fuck, laser focused. Libido is on the background for some reason, like I don't mind a good fuck but I've got more important stuff to focus on.

Why do i love Tren so much guys...

>>42584045
Just run some Clen first to slim down, the thing with starting Aromasin once you see symptomatics is it doesn't do anything to the excess levels of Estrogen that are already coursing in your system. Instead it just stops more aromatisation, so now you end up causing a rollercoaster of T-E ratios.

>>42583970
I'm bigger than your physician

>>42584052
>tren
enjoy your bald head

>>42584071
Jokes on you Tren has no effect on my hairline.

>>42584071
Are you retarded? Not everyone has male pattern baldness genetics. Those who do should definitely stay away or use RU58841 to combat it.

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>>42582143
you did that on 250 test alone ... with that height?
I'm 6'7 and I look not even close to that coming down from 700 tren per week with a test base .... I hate my genetics.

>>42584089
>RU58841

research chemical, hard to get, expensive, no one knows the side effects

what are the worst side effects you've gotten from testosterone.
Personally the acne, which I just can't seem to keep at bay

>>42584107
Well, that's why I said "stay away or", as in it's up to you if you want to take the risk and cost or just stay away from tren entirely. If you want that amazing dream physique, tren is almost a must.

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>>42578702
What are your lifts? You look pretty strong

>>42584120
acne is the worst, its harder to combat than i thought

but as recently i also found out being high test for a long time also makes you sleepy and tired af.
No matter how long i slept, i was always tired

>>42584133
I was opposite, for the beginning anyway. Can not sleep!

>>42584133
I had this near the end of my Test/Deca bulk... always tired, always sleepy. Couldn't sleep after I already slept 11 hours straight like a brick though, still felt like sleeping.

>>42584097
I've BnC with many compounds over 3 years but the past several months have been just 250 test. Current composition is all just based on low test and extreme gym focus.
>>42584130
I'm weak. 345x6 incline bench, 365x4 squat, 5 and some change dead x2. BNP in smith is 4 25s each side for 8-10 w/ drops.

I'm a pump whore.

>>42584123
not him, but does tren change your body for good?

I only did test so far, but what it has done to the asthetics and just the overall looks of my muscles is amazing. Im currently natty but i still have that nice masculine and astethic look like before

>>42584180

>BNP

what's the purpose of this exercise other than pissing off 50% of /fit/

>>42584180
what compound did give you the best mass gains? And were you following a training plan?

>>42584147
i was fine in the beginning, but after like 5-6 months the sleepiness started to kick in.

>>42584166
yeah dude, and being tired all the time hits your motivation harder than you would think.

Pro side is, sleeping felt really satisfying. Like going to bed at night was just comfy af

>>42584195
I've always found the BNP has the most pronounced effects on my delts. Hitting 200 for a standing triple was also very satisfying.

>>42584195
I feel it in my lateral delts vs my anterior. I don't need any more anterior delt. I have zero shoulder health issues and I've been doing BNP for 6 years.
>>42584198
Test always for pure mass. I like daily undulating periodization but I'm a smart enough person [citation needed] to build a decent program.

>>42584208
>sleeping felt really satisfying.

Those sundays where I'd just stay in bed playing the switch with naps until 2-3pm were comfy as fuck.

Tren has me wanting to leave the bed after 4 hours of sleeps ready to explode with energy.

>>42584198
Not him, but the best bulking combo for pure mass is usually regarded as test/deca/dbol: Amazing strength and muscle gains, but kind of wet.

>>42584277
I prefer eq and adrol over deca and dbol for the fullness vs water. I will always promote 750 test as a great mass builder though.

>>42584283
You need so much EQ for it to have any effect, though, gets kind of expensive. Deca is quite effective at lower doses.

>>42584288
800 eq is perfect for me, which is a reasonable amount. Otherwise if you could source it 350-500 dhb for really enhanced bold effects.

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having a hard time figuring out if my E2 is low or not. notation is mine, but went through my doctor for the labs and he thinks I need to get on TRT.

what do you guys think?

>>42584273
same ... and an hour later my body shuts down because of lack of sleep ... I hate tren for that.

I just started /frauding/ for the first time. Some stats 21, Male, and 5'9.

What I started out doing was ordering some high soled running shoes from brands like asics. Now I moved on to ordering Nike Air Force ones. I even started replacing the soles in the Air Force ones with Dr. Scholl's shoe inserts.

Now everywhere I go people compliment me on my height and ask if I grew to 6 foot. With these Nike Air Force ones and shoe inserts I come out at around 5'11. Never felt better /frauding/ in my whole life.

>>42584318
It ussually hits me after dinner. I'll just set an alarm for 30 mins, sleep, wake up and be good to go again.

>>42584312
if you are a young male, 420 is KIND of low. But not low enough to excuse shitty gains

>>42584277
>>42584283
interesting ... I only did test tren var and dbol till now. Will give deca anadrol and eq a try.

>>42584339
420 blaze it

>>42584330
It's probably my age ... :(

>>42584312
e2 goal is between 20-30.

Go by symptoms at those levels tBh.

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>>42584339
not talking about free T, I already know that's low and that 420 is my peak. lowest it's been is 345.

i'm more concerned about estradiol than the 420, since I've been feeling like a skeleton for the longest. my knees crack when I jizz.

>>42584354
u dont blaze it, do you bimbs

>>42584330
now that bimbo mentioned it, smoking some pot will help with the sleep.
Atleast it does for me. I drop dead like a stone if i smoke alot

Question: is there any difference between dbol oral or dbol injecables? Apart from the liver toxicity of the oral stuff?

>>42584361
How old anon?

>>42584374
Oh boy am I glad I can make due with just 4 hours of sleep. So much more stuff I'm able to fit into my day.
Just need that 30 min nap really.

>>42584319
What was the point of this? Was this supposed to be some analogy for steroids? How bored are you?

>>42584367
Glucosamine nigger, loads of it.

>>42584366
ya, how long do you think I can but that sweet spot from TRT where my joints feel like cooperating with a 26 year old's body?

currently on test cyp 150mg a wk and HCG 350IU 2x a wk.

also for the TRT4lifers what do you guys think about subq vs IM? 3 wks so far in TRT.

>>42584374
I do before sex sometimes, otherwise I'm sober. Usually I smoke then feel like a bum or a burnout and get anxious about money and status. Then I have to work for an extra six hours to calm down. I don't care that other people partake in recs though. Lots of my boys eat coke daily or are alcoholics. I just can't feel like a proper responsible human if I'm not sober.

I had my time with drugs though. It was nice. Learned what I needed.

>>42584403
See >>42584400

It should come up pretty quickly if you aromatize normally, especially with the HCG.

I personally do subq, works well but I get some itchiness occasionally, but that might be the UGL talking.

>>42584400
I've taken all that shit, you name it. CoQ10, Curcumin, Inositol, Fish Oil, Glucosamine, Magnesium, BPC-157. e2 is literally the only lead I've got at this point before I go die from fibro.

>>42584396
>How old anon?
36

>>42584455
Yeah thats quite a bit older then me (24).

>>42584463
the scariest thing about getting older ist that personal time moves a lot faster ... and keeps speeding up. I really do wish to be 24 again. Getting emo, guess I need more clomid brb.

>>42584499
Being young isn't everything.
Compared to 2-3 years my QoL keeps improving.
Most of the good shit was really fucked up in multiple ways and when I really think back its just nostalgia blinding me.

Time does fly, mostly since I've started working full time.

I got pretty bad back acne naturally but never ever had on my face.
If I take test will it make it make my back into a pizza or will it only get slightly worse?

>>42584499
>>42584561
Brain perceives time differently as we age.

>>42584578
Neat, how exactly?

>>42584442
>should come up quickly
length of time to note any improvements? wondering whether 3 wks is enough time to see anything, especially since I went from 100mg - 150mg starting this wk.

>>42580560
my own experience is that before starting trt (at 15-20%bf) i def didnt have the guts to dedicate myself to cutting properly. definitely wouldn't consider something like a blast before getting down much more, maybe 12% or 10% if possible

>>42584655
well to make it really simple, when you're 4 years old, 1 year is 25% of your entire life. that's a long ass time. when you're 32? well it's barely 3% of your total life

>>42584669
Joint clicking after crashing e2 went away pretty quickly for me once I let off the AI.

But my shbg is in the shitter so I aromatize pretty fast.

my shins hurt so fucking bad and I haven't added any pump heavy compound any time recently. last time I used dbol was like 6 months ago, only on test right now. weird, wonder how I could have randomly gotten shin splints.

fucking squats I bet

>>42584759
what's my SHBG tell you how well I'll be able to aromatize? never had gyno in my life, have been underweight dyel-mode all of my life too.
>>42584312
>>42584367

>>42584910
Yours is normal, mine is way low which means there is more free testosterone available to convert.
Also I aromatize a lot naturally it seems.

>>42584956
huh, I hear about a lot of dudes complaining about low SHBG on several TRT forums. is it a big deal? seems that for some people having frequent injections when your SHBG is low works for them, have you tried that? I haven't been put on an AI, but I'm wondering if my E2 is even that low to warrant not needing one.

>>42585013
Low SHBG is shit because your total test will be low and if you aromatize more in general or are fat then all that juicy free test will be eaten and turned into estrogen.
I suppose it could be beneficial if you use an AI though, since you'll have more free test, but then again >more sides.

I'm on 62.5mg test C E3.5D.
I recently started on aromasin, since my estrogen was all over the fucking place when I tried to dial in my arimidex, getting me nowhere.

I wouldn't worry about an AI unless you are starting to get high e2 symptoms. Sounds like you need more e2 at this point.

>>42574628
I recently found out my dad is roiding,
but haven't confronted him yet

I saw a wrapper with 'Clomy Osaka Japan' on it and syringes,
So he's probably on clomiphene if nothing else.

He's almost 60, always been a fitness buff, but never did roids before, should I be concerned about his health?
Pls teach me, am noob

>>42585435
>but never did roids before
lol how would you know that? he's also definitely not only on clomid if he has syringes.

just let him be

>>42585552
I asked him before, pretty sure he was telling the truth

Good to know you don't inject clomid, probably means he's gone the whole mile

He's a smart and sensible guy, I just want to know if he's relatively safe as an old dude roiding,
I don't want him to stroke-out and live a miserable life for another 20 years

>>42585706
if he's just on test then he's better off on that that nothing at 60 desu

>>42585706
trt is standard for old people who still want their dick to work

>>42585775
>>42585786
Yeah but, he's obviously not going to be supplementing to normal lvls

I guess I should really just go talk to him.. maybe we can roid together

>>42585827
why's it obvious?

>>42576348
What the hell? Dunno man, that sounds kinda strange. I've used var two cycles (80mg ED for 6 weeks) and it's fucking incredible. I can see the pump from week 1.

Maybe it's just me, but roidz give me insane energy, strength and a sense of overall well being. So.. maybe your roids are fake or something, or it's a rare an unexpected side.

>>42585884
Or his liver/kidneys are shitty and he's not taking any support for them.

>>42585884
>but roidz give me insane energy, strength and a sense of overall well being.

That's what I love about 'em. In the gym, I'm able to just keep on going and I want to get every single last rep in. Even with strength going up, what feels the best is the overall increase in endurance.

I haven't used var before, but I'll probably use it towards the end of my cutting cycle next year (pharma quality, no UG crap of course). It seems like people have mixed opinions about it; you either love it or hate it.

How is var pump vs dbol pump? I love the pump dbol gives me.

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>>42584570
Please respond

>>42586052
genetics/personal experience, nobody knows

but probably pizza yeah

>>42585980
Me again. Well, I have used test, deca, equipose and var. For me, the most noticeable effects come from var and test. Deca and equipoise are just there for extra gains.

And yes, when I'm roiding I feel like a fucking God. It has its consequences, though, I do not believe in roid rage, but you become more aggresive / assertive / ballsy.

Started on TRT, I'm a fat fuck compared to y'all. Should I eat at maintenance now that I actually will have test in me or what? I want to keep gaining strength and if possible put a touch of size on. In the past cuts seemed to just kill my strength and I stayed flabby and felt I lost lbm I guess due to low T. Just wondering how best my diet would benefit

>>42586206
you should lose weight

>>42586318
Even if I don't have a ton of lbm?

>>42586206
Test will help you no matter your goal. It helps spare muscle during fast, and it increases muscle growth during caloric excess. So really it's more about what type of body you want and what you got now.


High protein is also recommended to spare muscle during fast.

Whats you guys reason to fraud.
Mine is I'm a furry and I want that aesthetic.

>>42586797
i'm very insecure

>>42586789
I'm probably sitting around 18% or so. Can just barely make out the line of my obliques/abs and upper abs. I would like to add a little more mass mostly to arms and back before cutting. I eat pretty high protein, trying to cut out alcohol except on weekends, doing fasted cardio with bcaas in the am and do around a 14 hour fast cramming in food the other 10ish hours.

n e w

>>42586965
>>42586965
>>42586965

>Anyone have any personal stories or wisdom about their first cycle?
I feel like death and no results in sights.

3 weeks into 500mg/w test-e E3.5D, 0.5mg Adex E3.5D
>1st pin was into upper ass cheek, and the next day I felt flu-like symptoms and almost like an allergic reaction, body temperature was up and I had the chills and whole body soreness
>2nd and 3rd pins into side of hips (ventroglute) went ok with manageable pip
>4th pin into upper-outer quad, and same flu-allergy symptoms came back
>5th pin, back to ventroglute went ok and just pip but still feel shitty from the quad pin


Is it because of virgin muscle or my body not accepting the GSO carrier oil? Wtf do I do. I originally planned a 16week cycle but now feel like abbandoning this experiment. Give me some hope /fraud/. I wanna persevere this and get to Gainsville.