/FAT/ GENERAL

Starting my cut tomorrow lads

It's happening

>>41434856
>tomorrow
NOT going to make it

How do you respond when people ask "How did you lose so much weight?".

Me: "hehe, stopped eating spaghetti every day and added some veggies instead"

Not gonna unveil my power level to plebs.

>>41434890
okay I'm starting RIGHT NOW
>it's 11:45pm

>>41434955
>"How did you lose so much weight?".
I just say I ate more veggies and took walks
That or I spout whatever fad weightloss thing is current popular

>>41434955
I unveiled my powerlevel and got someone really in to lifting. Like they gym 3-5 times a week and do diddlys, squats, and so on where before they'd just jiggle jog on the treadmill.
Got another to start counting calories.

Really neato.

>>41434813
>not fat wojak
you fucked up

>Ate a small bowl of granola cereal
>Logged it into MFP
>Over 400 calories
>Still hungry tho

I'm not gonna make it unless I get better at measuring my shit before eating

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>try autofellatio years ago
>fuck my back up something BAD
>still haven't recovered entirely
>every now and then get back pains
>get back pain while doing cardio two days ago
>rest it yesterday
>still have back pain today
>not sure if I should risk it and go for more cardio now
what do

>>41434813
/FAT/ I AM MAD EXPLAIN TO ME
i am 88kg and 188 cm at a fat percentage of 16%. wanted to lose 10 kg in 2 months so i did everything you told me. I was ordered to eat 1600 kcal a day but i pushed the limits and did 1450 kcal avarage. I went to the gym 3 times a week and also went runnning for 2 days a week. I AM A MONTH IN BUT WHY TF DO I STILL LOOK THE SAME AND HAVE I LOST JUST 1 KG. LOSERTOWN SAID I WOULD BE 82 KG BY NOW

>Started at 5'9", 231 lbs
>Down to 183 after a year just dieting
>About 20lb more to go and I'm at goal weight
>Start a new job tomorrow that has a gym basically down the corridor from my office

So is now the time to finally hit up a gym, or should I wait for the last of this fat to slough off me first? It feels like it's be wasted because I'm eating so little, there's no way I'm going to build any muscle. And cardio is no fun when you're fat.

183cm M
Started lifting and dieting at 138kg march 1st, did 1 month of 1800~ normal macros and lost about uh.. 2kg? Half of April I started keto, now i'm down to 133 and been there for 3 weeks. I eat < 20g carbs (all from broccoli and green shit) and 1500 kcal. This should be a huge deficit yet nothing is really changing. What gives? Workouts are really hard and tire me out, currently 115kg squats/dl for reps and 70kg bench. Why am i not shedding fat like a motherfucked fronds?

>>41435095
Are you only eating shit food? Did you up your water intake? Do you do any cardio, or only lifts? Do you work out hard, or just dick around for 20 minutes?
Watch what the fuck you eat and walk/cycle most places. Lifting helps but if you want fast results like that you need to also add cardio.
What lifestyle did you put in when you did your losertown calc? You probably overestimated and you're probably not measuring your food correctly/not being truthful about what you eat. Log EVERYTHING you put in your mouth. A spoonful of bbq sauce doesn't seem like much but it adds up.
If you are lifting hard and doing the right thing, take a photo of yourself today and keep going. A month from now do the same thing and if you don't see results you need to change

>>41435085
(please reply)

>>41435134
I dont really know but maybe your muscle mass increased but you just dont see it becaus of the fat

>>41435228
My muscle mass ha certainly increased but I don't think I could gain as fast as I'm losing, especially on a 1k+ deficit. Also visually there aren't many improvements. Feels bad man.

>>41435085
See a chiropractic.

>>41435203
I put everything i ate directly after eating in an app and the results are in the picture. Also when i gym it is almost everytime 30m running and 1 hour exersizes with weights.

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>>41435370
Forgot the pic

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My next 3 lunches, 400 kcal each

>>41435379
Translation
Energie=energy
Vet=fat
Verzadigd vet=saturated fat
Eiwit=protein
Koolhydraten=carbs
Vezels=fibers
Zout=salt

>>41435402
>speaking swampgerman
Alter...

>>41435370
Maybe try taking a cheat week, and eat at maintenance. I've heard it helps your metabolism catch up, but I'm no expert tbqhwy

>>41435388
Cute cup

>>41435388

is that quinoa or couscous

>>41435277
considered seeking help but I don't know what to tell them. that I failed blowing myself off? no way.

plus I'm asking if I should take the risk today

>>41434813
Tell me /fat/, does life get better after losing weight?

Been fat my whole life, current 183cm and 92.5kg, was 100kg at start. Aiming for 85ish by the fall, before school starts. I just want my health (and love life) to improve, /fat/bros.

>>41435494
You should always be honest with your doctor. Everything's confidential, anyways. Besides, an accurate recount could aid them in figuring out which vertebrae you fucked up.

>>41435515
thanks.

now, for today?

>>41435522
Do bodyweight exercises if cardio is bothering you. Pushups and pullups could help straighten your back if using proper form.

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>>41435013
this

>>41435535
but I'm on a suicide cut right now and really want that cardio

fuck it, I'll just run until my back can't take it anymore then pay for massage tomorrow

>>41435370
You're probably gaining muscle mass then. Do you take your measurements ever?

>>41435370
Also how tall are you?

>went to the store today
>wanted ice cream so bad
>huge 5lb bag of sour gummie worms on sale
>salsa and chips craving
>tons of sweets/donuts/cookies/cake being made for mommies day
>only bought what was on my list

I feel weak brehs

>>41435413
>swampgerman
What the fug is this?

>>41435611
Not him, but I thought you only gain muscle mass if you eat at a excess calorie thing. Shouldn't that not happen if you're eating at a deficit?

>>41435562
>Guys I need advice halp!!!!!
>Gets sound advice that could help prevent serious injury
>Nah I'll just do what I want and possibly fuck myself up
Why even ask?

>>41435629
So you didn't buy any of that shit? Damn man, good on you for staying strong. You're gonna make it.

>>41435653
Right. Didn't think about that since I usually only cut.

>>41435669
Sour gummies sound so damn good though I'm still thinking about them.
but I've been losing so much weight lately and when I thought about plateauing again I walked by.

30lbs more and I'm good to go

>>41435653
As a beginner and a land whale you can gain muscle mass on a cut. The best time to lift is right when you start dieting. You'll get more gains much faster than a skelly.

>>41434955
WiiFit and Zumba.

>>41435684
I'm genuinely proud of you, my man. Good job.

>>41435663
while I forgot to initially mention my suicide cut I expected something like
>take it easy and stop if it get worse
>rest another day and decrease your calorie intake for today
>just do it fatty

>>41435663
Seeking validation to do stupid shit so he doesn't have to own it by himself.

>>41435388
Looks good. What's the recipe?

>>41435134
Buy ketostix and make sure you're actually in ketosis. You should've blasted water like a sick bastard by now.

Drink like half a gallon of water a day too and make sure your protein isn't exceeding around 150g or else it converts to glucose and kicks you out of ketosis.

Otherwise make sure you're recording everything properly. Odd that you're not losing.

>>41435128
Always workout on a cut. Its slow but its worth it. Dividing up the labor by cutting to your goal and then lifting is... weird to me, but different strokes for different folks.

Start tomorrow. You'll be surprised.

>>41435691
But you'd still lose weight right? Your body just reutilizes the given intake resources into more muscles mass?

I'm just trying to wrap my head around this while keeping the fundamental thermodynamic laws and shit (basically cico)

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>>41435611
Yeah, at my gym you can weigh yourself with a special scale.(idk how accurate it is). This is an example (old one but the first i could find.
>>41435624
188cm

>>41435740
Yes you would. Muscle weight wouldn't make your bodyweight fluctuate that much. It takes months and months.

>>41435723
Yeah, I should have.

I don't think I can find ketostix in jewroop but my piss smells foul so I probably am in ketosis. I drink at least 2.5 liters per day of water and meticulously log shit on MFP. It's been teeling me for 1 month and a half that i'll be 124 in 5 weeks ;_; I wish.

>>41435742
By measurements I meant the circumference of your waist, arms, things, hips, etc.
You don't need a fancy scale for that. Just go spend a dollar or two on a seamstress measuring tape

>Basically, if you have hormone issues then you'll always have some fat that will seem impossible to get rid of. For me it was my love handles, even at 15% bodyfat I was looking pretty fat because of the handles. And because hormone problems prevent you from building muscle effectively, you'll always look fatter than you actually are. Better get your shit fixed before getting frustrated.

This is me, how do I fix it

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>>41434813
I had been stalled for a week after good losses doing keto IF for a month or 2
so I recarbed on my birthday and the next day went to a Basque restaurant
fucking ate everything that was keto friendly. veg soup , salad with fatty dressing , goat stew , prime rib .
scale goes down !

So I started Keto about 3 weeks ago and it's done amazing things, I've dropped INCHES and about 10-15lbs

But I've plateaued I think or I'm fucking up cuz I'm not leaving that much of a deficit for myself (400-100 calories).

Now, I'm also trying to get to where I can join the police department, my workout plan is a monday-friday split with cardio three times a week including HIIT.

My question is, is it safe to move into TKD or CKD and give a dose of carbs to my body this early or is it jumping the gun?

>TLDR: TKD/CKD, three weeks into keto and about to do lots of cardio and calsthetics, what do?

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>>41435742
>188cm
>LENGTE 187.0cm

>>41434813
>http://fitness.bizcalcs.com/Calculator.asp?Calc=Body-Fat-Navy (Gonna need waist/neck measurements)

just came out at 39% bf

surely I'm doing this wrong

>>41435877
Is this what they call "body dysmorphia?"

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I was 92kg in September 2016

This is the best feeling, it feels better than any food I can think of, everything has been worth it and I can't wait to continue on this journey

>>41435906
L O N D O N ?
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>>41435781
Ohh like that, no i dont but its a good idea so i will
>>41435845
0_0 i got exposed.

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One of you people a few days ago mentioned you liked to make pancakes with just eggs and bananas. I made the mistake of trying this. Never again

>>41435906
>blokes
>wearing nailpolish
well they keep saying it's 2017..

>>41435886

just checked where the smallest part of the waist is. looks like I measured correctly. 39% bf it is.

seeya in 20kg

Cut's been successful. -11 lbs. from last week.
Only 90 more to go.

>>41435948
it was me, what the fuck did you do??

blend one egg and one banana. cook thinner pancakes on low heat for a good while. i can clearly see that your shit is uncooked as fuck.

get better.

>>41434955
It's honestly funnier telling them the truth.

"I'm just counting calories and going to the gym."

They always wait for a follow up like I have some kind of magical fad diet or don't know what else to say like I have some kind of ancient secret.

>>41435979
>low heat
That was my mistake. I did it on high because I thought that is how you make pancakes. But then I got scared that I might burn my pan so I ended up making that disaster. It wasn't undercooked though. Also my bananas weren't as ripe as they should have been

>>41436008
put oil in the pan

also, i think using a blender and ripe bananas make a lot of difference.

>>41435959
>implying bloke

Never really browsed /fit/ before. I've managed to lose about 50 pounds with good ol excersize and calories in out whatever, but I feel like I've gotten stagnant. I'm stuck at 190 limbo. Any advice? I don't want to get stuck.

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>Store had so much chocolate candy marked down to $0.50.
>Went in and only bought eggs, cashews, peanut butter powder, cottage cheese, chicken breasts
>Kept passing by that isle though, but didn't buy it

Good lord, why do they have all that candy on sale?

>>41436048
Cut more calories do more exercise.

>>41436028
I did blend it, but I think the unripe bananas really did make it worse. Maybe I'll try it again tomorrow.

>>41436048
read the sticky

>>41436048
recalcuate TDEE and eat less

>>41436062
its satans trick to break the weak. good thing you didnt fall for it.

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printing this out and sticking it on the wall

seeya jan 1st f-friends

Has anyone tried water fasting? How did that go?

>>41436187
It's stupid to do for more than 24-72 hours and any exercise will suffer. If you have a life (ie work, school, gym, and so on) it's not feasible and shouldn't even be attempted.

If you're a NEET and don't work out go for it.

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>>41435512
it's worth a try anon

>>41435684
get those sugarless gummies that make you shit yourself if you eat too many

>>41435723
>>41435134
Ketosticks is just a waste of money. Cut your carbs and you should be in ketosis within a day. Have you checked your macros recently?

>protein is the goal
>carbs is the limit
>fat is for satiety

>>41436062
it's fucking criminal how inexpensive sugar is. i don't know how the fuck a massive bag of mini snickers can be like $2

>been looking forward to my cheat day for almost 6 months
>terrified about actually having it now that i have less than a week left until it comes

i'm not sure what i should do. i feel like i really need one but i also don't want to see the scale go up 6 pounds the next day.

>>41436443
You'd need to eat 18,000 calories for that to happen, not including your TDEE.

Just as it takes time to lose weight, it takes time to gain it.

>>41436443
>>41436465

this. if you're going to keep up a good diet for the rest of your life (which you should), you need to learn how to do things in moderation and allow yourself to live. A cheat day and a slip-up now and then won't ruin you.

don't be afraid of food, anon. it's unhealthy.

>>41436443
You could start the day off normally, then absolutely destroy it in the evening. Food, beer, desert everything. No cheating in six months is amazing, I barely last a week

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>local sale on yogurt
>kid-friendly, all-organic, two compartments of yoghurt and granola
>buy a shitton
>get home
>have one
>scan with MFP as always
>mfw when 380kcal per 100g

should have checked before i bought

>>41435379
Veel te veel koolhydraten neger, hou ze rond de 80. Eiwitten moeten omhoog; voor jou rond de 120

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>>41436585
>neger

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are the atkins frozen dinners acceptable during keto? i just hate having to prep 3 complicated meals a day. having one of these for my lunch would really make it easier on me.

>>41436443
Instead of having a cheat day why don't you just wait until a social situation arises or you go for a meal with family? Having a cheat day alone to reward yourself is basically just a waste

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>>41436613
>just wait until a social situation arises

what is the fat food you keep thinking about?

i want burritos. every single day i think about them. Fucking full of sour cream. goddamn.

>>41436536
This except don't eat in the morning and should fuck shit up at night. Have some bros over and get hammered, eat like shit, live life a little.

>>41436443
Tbh you could be a madman and starve yourself in the morning and afternoon, and come evening time go crazy

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>>41436624
kek

>true though

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Weekly weigh-in day! 3 more weeks until I go on vacation, can I make it to 80kg?

>back didn't act up during cardio
>lost 300 extra calories today
thank god for not listening to that anon

>>41435512
>Tell me /fat/, does life get better after losing weight?
Not really. Once you give up shit food and kill the last pleasure of life, you feel the the freedom that only the miserable know.
After that, things can't possibly get worse, which means that everything's going to get better!

>>41434813
Cut out sugar. Do it now. It will suck the first week and you will want to die but you can replace it with salt or fat if need be. Eventually you will find sweetness to be overpowering and repulsive. I had to force myself off sugars, but now I don't even crave them.

>>41435085
was it worth it to have your own penis in your mouth, anon?

>>41436602
>because it's really that difficult to fry up a chicken

Hey fellow fatties.
I suffer from familial hypercholesterolemia. basically, my body processes cholesterol at roughly half the efficiency as a normal body. Since it's hereditary i've had it my entire life, and i've also been fat most of my life. Left untreated this diease puts anyone at a massively increased chance of heart- blood and vessel-related complications.
Doctors wanted to delay medication for as long as possible and just treat it with diet, but my fat ass was at a seriously dangerous level by the time i was 11, so i started medicating.
still, my cholesterol was roughly 150% higher than ideal two years ago. that was when i moved out.

Taking control of my life and eating right has not only lost me 35lbs, but my cholesterol is now so stable and low that you can't tell i have the condition by my blood tests any more.

I am so happy. keep going, we're gonna make it

>>41436908
at the time it was pretty hot and I came almost immediately as my tongue reached my dickhead but I never expected back pains years later

>been sitting on calorie deficit
>steadily lost weight
>went ham on pizza today at party
I legit at like whole large pizza. It was delicious while I ate it but few hours huge regret kicked in. Feels like I just ate grease and fat.
I don't know how many calories that shit was but mentally it felt like 3-4 of my regular meals

>>41434813
What I made for breaky
>one slice of whole grain toast
>topped with two deli slices of chicken, pepper jack cheese, and one sliced hard boiled egg and a few pieces of red onion
>Quaker chocolate rice Patty (?) With one strawberry sliced on top
>with two strawberries and a cuties orange on the side

>under 300cals and full

Also had some yogi blueberry green tea
Bretty gud

>>41436821
whats your diet and exercise look like?

we're same height and start weight but i'm losing much slower than you. good job though m8, nice stuff.

>>41434955
I hate when people ask this. They always act like you have to have some magical power to lose 30+ pounds.

Nah senpai, I just counted my calories and did at home work outs.

Usually after that they're quiet. It takes a special person to give up the life of a fatty to dedicate themselves to weight loss

>>41437036
>it takes a special person
thanks famalam. i actually felt nice reading that.

you're special too. we're all special here.

>>41437000
I know that feel.
try using this site to calculate how many kcals that was

http://www.papas-nutritional-calculator.com/

>>41436187
Did that by having 0 money.

Didn't feel hunger after the third day, had trouble getting up stairs, felt constantly thirsty, got light headaches quite often, hair suffered for the duration, acne cleared up, slept 10 hours a day, and obviously lost a lot of weight. Metabolism was a bit rekt after and i was gaining weight on 1000kcal/day for about a week.

It wasn't that bad, but I see no reason to do it unless you're forced to.

>>41436541
most of those cals are from the granola

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>>41434813
Apparently I'm under 10%. Thought I was starting to get a little pudgy.

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>restart diet at 180
>weigh the next week: 175
>"hey, maybe that was just a lot of water weight"
>last week: 179.4
>"awww jeeze I guess I shouldn't be so easy-going"
>today: 173.4

I'LL TAKE IT

>>41437062
>over 2k
Well, not that bad

>>41436602
Yes, but the small portion will probably leave you wanting more.

>>41434955
i tell them i cut my portions, intermitted fasting, more water/coffee/ i still eat what i want but i subsitute as well... 30 pounds down another 15 to go.

>>41437097
Post current bod
Because I don't believe you're under 10%bf

>>41437110
This is happening to me. Figuring it's just water weight?
I measure myself every morning after I pee.
First weight was 126lbs
Next day was 129lbs
Day after that 126

Weird
Now at 125 a couple days later

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be me, at tacobell on friday for dinner, all under my Tde for the day with 500 to spare, already down 30 pounds..go on scale next day 2 pounds less after i get back from my 2 mile walk.... feels good man.

>>41437205
It's what I'm guessing, though I should also mention that I just got a new job last week that more-or-less has me walking around on my feet for like 5-6 hours a day.

>>41437205
happens all the time...just drink more water.

>>41436651
Baked goods usually.. Cinnamon brioche rolls, perfect homemade cookies, brownies... Cheese buns with tons of powerful tasty cheddar baked in...

Brb need to Fap

>>41436892
it's amazing how sweet fruit is once you get off the chocolate jew

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Havent eaten any sugar or carb bombs (candy/chips/pizza etc) for a month now and I dont have any carving for that shit any longer.

Living with my parents, my mom constantly buy sodas for everyone to drink because shes a retard. There are literally 4 filled soda bottles in the fridge atm because im not drinking anything, she started to complain that they are getting "expired" rofl.

The only thing I think off every time I see suger or carb bombs is how much it is gonna stop my weight loss and muscle gains.

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>>41436821
I liked your spreadsheet idea so I stole it anon. Go hard, you'll hit 80. Keep up the good work

>>41437020

Im using IF, only eating one or two meals pr day. I've reduced my carbs alot. Not to the point of keto. I dont go much to the gym. Only once or twice pr week.

>>41437367
You too, keep up the good work! we'll make it to our goals :)

Does anybody know whether eating below deficit genuinely has a negative affect on weight loss? I can manage on 1200 calories a day (tdee is 2060) but I'm consistently told this is too low.

Even on this amount, I find it takes me a long time to lose any weight. Am I doing myself a disservice by eating this low or should I just keep on and wait for the outcome?

is this a good way to start keto? I know it's reddit but whatever.

https://www.reddit.com/r/keto/wiki/one_week_meal_plan

>>41437464
From my experience eating below 60% of your TDEE is fucking miserable. You can do it, but it will drop your leptin levels, generally make you feel like shit, make you feel tired, etc.

I mean, is that extra 0.3 lbs a week really worth feeling so shitty?

I tried to do low carb - under 50g a day. I hit ketosis very quickly and lost 6lbs in a week (although I'd been stalling for three months on a calorie deficit and 5 workouts a week).

Is it likely that low carb just works with me better than low calorie, or is it more likely that my three months of healthy eating and working out just balanced out and caught up with me?

>>41437487

I really don't feel bad on it though. I've been on between 1200-1600 calories a day for...as long as I can remember really, and I've not lost much weight at all. I should be eating 2060 a day so it doesn't really make sense to me. I work out as well, so really my calorie intake should be even higher.

I'm a bit concerned that I'm doing something massively wrong, or maybe my metabolism is fucked for eating low for so long.

I count everything. There's no way I'm sneaking 600 cals in each day. It's really frustrating.

>>41437178
Good job anon. What time did it take you to lose that amount?

How long did it take you all to see a change on the scale and what is your average weight loss each week?

>>41437517
>I'm a bit concerned that I'm doing something massively wrong, or maybe my metabolism is fucked for eating low for so long.

The same thing happened to me, just coming from an anecdotal perspecitve: I went eating about 1200-ish calories a day for a few months and had 0 weight loss for a while. I'm pretty sure I was just undereating and my body adjusted to it accordingly, so lowering my energy levels for the day and just feeling more tired overall.

On someone's suggestion I did a restart and ate at maintenance for about 3 weeks while maintaining my exercise and activities. I gained about 2-3 pounds but it didn't really feel like it. Once I jumped back on track, weight loss started progressing smoothly again.

It's just a broscience analysis, but I think heavier deficits need more refeeds (aka reminders that the deficit is NOT your normal calorie intake) than a typical 1lb per week one would. As of right now I do a refeed of maintenance + 20% calories every 2 weeks and every two months I give myself a cheat day to go insane and binge on stuff I've been craving. It's not a perfect system but it's worked well for me.

>>41437537
If you're eating properly you should see a change every week, even if only a pound.

>>41437622

Thank you. Most weekends I do eat more than I do through the week, no more than 2000, so I always considered this to be the day when I kick start my body. Every other day, it's 1600 or lower.

I lose inches, I'm told I'm much slimmer than I was (I'd post my photos for reassurance if I was braver) but the scale just isn't showing this. It's very frustrating and I don't want to keep doing it wrong.

>>41437525
march 21st to May 5 when i weighed in at it.

>>41437652
a change in inches is an exchange in fat, it's why I measure waist, neck, and legs every 5 weeks.

>>41436099
>chart, axes and legend not labelled
Didn't they teach you anything in school?

>>41437905
>not always leaving everything blank so that you're the only person who can read the data

>>41434955
I just tell them I take 7 scoops of preworkout 3 times a day

>>41437681
Wow that very fast. Keep up the good work

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I'm about to go over to my mom's for a cookout and eat a bunch of shit

Had a day off my construction job, thought might as well have a cheat day and eat at maintenance, but felt full way sooner cause no work. Chicken, brown rice and pickles. Went out to play basketball with friends instead of lying in bed watching movies cause i got bored fast.
Also my qt classmate i barely talk to keeps liking everything on facebook that has anything to do with me.
It feels surreal that there was a time i thought this isn't worth the effort.

We're making it.

How do I know if I'm in Ketosis?

>>41438061
piggy

>>41438188

More energy, sometimes weird taste in your mouth or bad breath. Less cravings for sugar.
Better concentration.
It can take days or weeks to get into deep ketosis, depending on how used your body is to burning ketones.

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Rate /fat/terz

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>>41437477
it's fine . you can eat what you like as long as you keep the carbs under 20 and don't eat so many protons that they convert to Islam.

>Still eat fast food 2-4 times a day
>But now I order a *small* soda instead of a large

How long until I'm ripped?

>>41437477
>https://www.reddit.com/r/keto/wiki/one_week_meal_plan
This is the most fucking disgusting shit ive read my whole life

>>41437477
Just limit your carbs to 20g and you will be fine.

>>41438346
I went into Ketosis like 3 days into the diet then.

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>accidentally drank entire gallon of heavy cream

>>41434955
>Show them my dnp
>"2 grams of this and the fat just melts away"

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>>41439622

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>>41439600
>tfw 20 cheat years in a row
ah. might as well make it a cheat life

Is there any point to following a routine on a cut instead of just doing whatever exercise that burns the most calories? It's my understanding that there's no way for muscles to grow if you're eating under your TDEE.

>>41440056
yes, because as your bf% lowers your loose skin will look better over muscle, your muscle does actually grow on a cut, as fat people we are already in dirty bulk mode

>>41438775
it's a start , switch to water next anon

So if you're a fatty eating at your normal maintenance level, not a deficit, can you still build muscles at the gym? Or do you have to be eating above your resting calorie needs to build muscle?

>>41440152
You can, but it will be slow and you will never notice it.

You can still make noob gains on a cut so no reason not to eat at a deficit.

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>>41440152
Not my experience but its much faster and effective to bulk and cut.
You're talking about recomping and it takes a lot of time.
I suggest to cut if you're a fatty and then clean bulk, then cut again.
Also to answer your question - if you hit your macros (especially protein) and take vitamins its easy to maintain muscle and gain newbie gains even on a hard deficit.

>>41440220
>>41440264

That's not what the sticky says.

>>41440279
Do SS + GOMAD and post pic after 6 months.

>>41440279
the sticky is also very basic and not intended for obese folks.

you CAN gain muscle at maintenance while you're 30% bodyfat. The question is not "can I?", it's "should I?" and the answer is no.

Like the other anons have been saying, anyone and everyone who isn't malnourished can make strength gains regardless of diet for about 3-4 months of lifting. But if that's the case and you're fat, you might as well just cut and get the double whammy of less fat and more strength.

>>41435449
Seems pretty transparent so i'd say quinoa.

>>41435629
>>41435684
Good job man. Keep up the good work.

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When do we stop cutting and start bulking? When's the right time?

>>41440486
when you reach your end goal

>>41440486
I'd say sub 15% body fat anon, but that's just my opinion

>>41440486
10% bodyfat or lower. That way you can clean bulk and stay below 15%

>>41440486
I personally am aiming for <12% but who fucking knows if that's actually viable for me right now.

>>41434813
>tfw fat but also hung
I don't get why God would do this to me ;-;

It has been 1 and 1/2 years and I have finally learned how to use all of the equipment in my gym.

Lifting 3 days a week, I have lost 45lbs in the 2 years, but I'm still 300lbs.

I feel like this is finally gonna be it, and I'm finally gonna lose all of this weight, BUT I have a problem.

I have no direction in what I'm doing. I have no routine. I just show up with my fat self, lift 3 days out of the week, and maybe do cardio here and there, but there's nothing more I do. I don't change my diet, and now my joints are slowly withering, so I'm afraid that this routine-less life will get me nowhere.

What the hell do I do to add more structure to my work out and life? Looking to optimize gains and shit.

>>41438486
On the scale of not fat to fat, fat.

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How do you stop being skinnyfat? If I hit the weights and lift and eat (in hopes of gaining some muscle to make my body look better) I just put on fat. If I cut calories my weight goes down but my body doesn't look any less shitty.

>>41440994
Eat better and less, drop all sodas. Drink water. A lot.

If you really want some details, probably sticky.

>>41440994
>It has been 1 and 1/2 years and I have finally learned how to use all of the equipment in my gym.
are you mentally challenged?
>Lifting 3 days a week, I have lost 45lbs in the 2 years, but I'm still 300lbs.
I hope for the love of jesus that you are not serious, at your weight you should be able to lose 45lbs comfortably in 3 months however excercise means very little if you just eat shit.
>I don't change my diet
There is your problem, you are never going to make it with that attitude.

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What's your fave cutting meal /fat/?

I recently started adding pumpkin puree to my oats.

This is my night time snack I'm trying out.

350g of plain greek yogurt
120g of pumpkin puree

240 cals, 18 carbs, 2 fat, 37 protien.

Sweetener to taste, I would add low sugar maple syrup but I ran out.

Tastes fucking good fa(m) , perfect macros for a bedtime snack.

>>41440916
You did this to you.

>>41441039
Cut for a longer time.

So I walk a mile to and from work each weekday, what would that count ass for my TDEE calculations?

>>41441144
nope

>>41441104
Posted about it recently, but I'm now a fan of clear soup with an egg in it.
Super easy to make, super filling, protein rich and only ~100cal.

>>41441144
Nothing. In a week you'll have burned off as many calories as a single cookie.

>>41441170
>>41441152
No I just mean in the like Sail Rabbit calculator thing because it asks about activity level.

>>41441209
Always pick the lowest setting in any calculator.

how many calories does jerking off burn

>>41440486
I'm 24% bodyfat and I can't imagine bulking till I'm at least 12%.

>>41441261
The lowest setting though is "comatose" and I run 5 miles monday though saturday.

>>41441271
still

>>41441271
And?
Are you trying to lose weight or not?

>>41441274
I'm confused though because then in order to meet the 2.5 pounds loss a week goal I have to be eating 900 calories a day. I don't think I can keep my running up on that.

>>41441282
I mean yes, but it seems a little silly to tell the calculator I'm comatose when I'm not.

>>41441301
Right. You're sedentary or if you want to push it "light" activity.

>>41438023
fuck lol

>>41441288
How much do you weigh?

>>41436986
dude you made the devils sacrifice, flew too close to the sun if you will

being fat is genetic

no matter what you do, your body will grab a bunch of the energy that you consume and store it as fat for the rest of your life

>>41441335
230

>>41441376
I dunno I'm starting to get some nice muscles.

>>41441384
You fucked up something else then.

>>41441376
better kill it with dnp then

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>>41441376
hey you're right

MY BODY IS BEAUTIFUL, IM BEAUTIFUL, I CAN BE BEAUTIFUL LIKE A BARBIE DOLL

>>41441376
yaeh just look at photos from the 1930s there are loads of genetic fat people walking around

>>41441434
I used:
>http://www.sailrabbit.com/bmr/

Input:
>71 inch height
>230 weight
>26% bodyfat
>comatose
>2.5 weekly weight loss

Put me at 896 daily calories.

My gf squeezes my belly sometimes like a little pinch and it makes me feel like shit. She's not doing it maliciously but it makes me hate her for making me feel insecure. Normally I would just do it back but she's 95 lbs.

>>41441488
Hit her

>>41441472
Do Sedentary, as that is typically the lowest for normal calculators.

>>41441394
you are torturing yourself for temporary results and depleting your body of finite energy

>>41441537
It's fine as long as I keep going forever in that case.

>>41435085
Were you fat when you did it or /fit/?
Did it feel super gay doing it?
Why not hire a hooker?
Were you super flexible or big dong?
If so how long did you train to be able to do it?

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I just ate 1696 worth of calories, so I got like 483 calories left for today. Any recommendations about what should I eat to keep myself satiated for the rest of the day.

>>41434955
I don't eat after 6 and do zumba

>>41441466
in the 1930s people were starving most of the time

>implying you're willing to throw out your refrigerator

>>41441597
Water and vegetables

>>41441552
your genetics will not allow you to keep going for long

>>41435742
lol, your word for age is live-time?

>>41434955
"Eat less, move more" without looking up from what I'm doing. I do this every time. Almost always shuts them down from the start.
One guy got real persistent about did I cut out this food or follow that rule or what and I told him to download MFP and go from there. Figured he'd just ignore me since he was clearly looking for a "trick", but then at the next lunch meeting we were both in, he ordered a salad when everyone else had pizza. We'll see what happens.

>>41441337
underrated

>>41441376
you're absolutely right, it has nothing to do with the chocolate bars, chips, pizza, lack of vegetables, over-consumption, lack of fat people in poor countries, or people exercising less.

It's definitely genetics.

>>41441597
black coffee and shame

>>41441628
yes, the great starvation of the 1930's

Compare it to the 60's then, tard. Post-war america when our economy was at its top-form and poverty was a wives tale: There were astronomically less fat people then there are today.

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Good news for everyone! Hopefully the cure comes within the next few years.

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2017-05/uoth-uhs050417.php

>>41441810
before factory farms food was expensive you little retard

why do you think you could pay the doctor with a chicken? because it was like $100+ in today's money

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>>41440486
This. The navy body fat calculator says I'm at 9% but I find that hard to believe. Started losing weight from 98kg (no pic) but I still have a bit of belly fat I'd like to get rid of I dunno.

>>41441865
>food
>ever being affordable in america

a roaster chicken from kroger is like 5 bucks, that's at-least 25-30 ounces of cooked chicken for like 2-3 bucks an ounce. And if you buy frozen it could be even less.

or you could buy slightly lower quality meat or buy on-sale and get even better deals.

or get a fucking costco membership and learn to properly buy in bulk.

>>41441900
have you been working out at all? I agree that's not 9% (maybe 12-13%) but you have almost no muscle.

>>41441900
Bro you have an hourglass figure. It's time to start slamming weights around hard and eating red meat.

Alright /fat/boys and /fat/girls, what do you do for brain gainz? Or anything to distract yourself from eating. Ideally let's talk constructive interests and hobbies, although even vidya and wanking are better than stuffing your face with chips and candy.

>>41441900
15%, no veins, no definition anywhere. You are auschwitz under the little flab you have

get on creatine, vitamin d, zinc, omega 3 and start lifting heavy 5x5 starting strength style (add ohp, pullups, abs and rack pulls)

ps. read sticky and lurk

>>41441922
there was no costco in the 60's you fucking retard

and they didn't do farming like today which makes everything dirt cheap now

most people used to have to choose whether to buy meat or other shit instead BECAUSE IT WAS EXPENSIVE

No will power...Been doing great for a month and a half. 1200 cals a day no carbs going to gym at least 5x a week, lost about 15lbs. Lost my shit today, got lost in half a pint of ice cream. Fuck me.

>>41441928
I read that you needed to bulk before you cut, but I was so depressed about being a fat fuck that I just lost it all as fast as possible (whoops). I've been doing some resistance training but I mostly lost all of my weight via a massive calorie defect. I was losing like 6 pounds a week so looking back it's no surprise I ended up like this.
>>41441934
Gotta do something about those child bearing hips right?
>>41441965
Sounds like good advice.

Thanks guys.

>>41441969
people don't realize that eating meat every day is a very new thing even in so-called developed countries

>>41441969
Chicken was 29 cents a pound back in the early 60's. Just for reference, a cheese burger, fries, and a coke from McDonald's was 49 cents. It was just as cheap as it was today.

>>41441993
>I read that you needed to bulk before you cut
that's not true at all, particularly for fatties.

yeah like the other anons said pick a starting program and start fucking lifting.

why does the sticky for this use a guesstimate fat % tool and not something like Scoobys body fat calculator with calipers?

>>41441946
meditation

>>41441946
I paint warhammer. You have like 2-3hrs of focus per model where both hands are occupied. Even when I was fat I'd forget I had my Pepsi/food offto the side for hours at a time. Now I just have water there instead.

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>>41441970

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270 > 245 last weigh in.

It's hard and there are plenty of days I just want to give up but then I look at those pictures I took of day 1 and realize why this suffering is just a hurdle.

we're all gonna make it brahs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME7Aqs5-BXY

>>41434955
I usually say that I only eat solid food ever 3 days, otherwise it's just scoops.

When they ask about scoops, I tell them about Rich Piana and lead them on a guide to getting even fatter

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i keep hovering around 279 ;_;

>>41442202
1500 cal erry day. 500 brekkie, 500 lunch, 500 dinner. C'mon god dammit!

>>41442216
Unless you're completely sedentary aka you sit all day from start to finish 1500 at 279 is just torture.

I've gone down 25 on 1900 a day.

>>41442216
~1800 is what I should be at to lose 2lbs/week

>>41442202
>daily weigh-ins
stop doing this. The most frequent you should be doing is weekly.

>>41442234
Yet instead of losing 2 pounds per week, you're hovering around 279, no? Gotta eat small to get small.

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>the keto depression swing that kicks in right around when ketosis does just started
>at the same time that a nice girl I had a date scheduled with ghosted me (probably found someone else)
Ah, now I remember the feeling of wanting to kill myself. It's certainly been a while since I felt those good old keto mood swings.

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>>41442273
>Gotta eat small to get small.

NO SCOOPS C'MON

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>>41442293
Is it bad if that feeling is always there?

>>41442322
If you're on keto or water starvation you'll feel depressed until you get off of it.
However, the worst of it is when ketosis kicks in. The first few days / week after ketosis kicks in you'll feel the saddest.
Then you'll feel energetic but a tiny bit sad.
Then you'll feel normal and just generally sad.

Working out cheers you up due to the dopamine and such, but otherwise keto in general puts you in a bit of a depressive state. It's honestly the only thing I don't like about the diet (Well, and not being able to drink alcohol at all. Otherwise I'd just do it permanently instead of only during cuts).

>>41442345
>people willingly get depressed just to lose weight a little faster
fuck that. If I wanted to feel like killing myself I wouldn't have moved out of new mexico.

>>41442371
It's to lose weight and minimize muscle loss, so that the majority of weight you lose each week is fat.
Keto is the best way to just lose fat while natty.
Otherwise you're better off with dnp + tren if you just want to be lazy.

>>41442404
this is a /fat/ thread though. Nobody here will be losing much muscle overall unless they're a """""powerlifter""""".

>>41442418
Yea but if you do keto from /fat/ you'll end up being in decent shape when you get it down to low bodyfat%, way better shape than someone that was just skinny their whole life for example.

>>41442435
but the same thing would happen if you just work out and count calories.

>>41442453
With keto however, you'll draw more from fat.

>>41442473
eh, I'd rather lose a bit more muscle and not have mood swings personally. Dieting sucks enough as is.

>>41442473
>>41442490
Doesn't Keto also have a nasty withdrawll period where it's common to gain 10-30 lbs after you switch to maintenance eating before shit stabilizes itself? Seems like it'd be better to just learn proper dieting and exercise than rely on a gimmick diet with whiplash.

>Lose over 100 lbs within 2 years
>Had to buy clothes that fit
>Noticed hotter women checking me out
>Had to re-take picture ID's because I look so different
>Doctors secretaries don't even recognize me when I go for check ups, they had to ask who I was
>Look in the mirror and still see the morbidly obese person I used to be

How do I shake this feeling off? It's preventing me from fooling around or possibly getting a gf.

>>41442579
Gain it back. As muscle.

>>41442579
it's tough anon. I still mention "i'm fat and trying to lose weight" and people will look at me like I'm crazy. I want to look good to ME, and not anyone else. So sometimes those comments are really discouraging.

But yeah, the only way to go is forward and your eyes will adjust to the brightness.

>>41436952
Good shit anon. My family has hypertension in the genes that's what got me started on my fitness journey. We are gonna make it breh.

Okay, had like 4 events (aka food orgies) this weekend, graduation season and Mother's Day and whatnot. I didn't go crazy, hell, I feel like I wasted a lot of food over the weekend, which I hate doing (I'm not going to be anti-social and uptight at events for the sake of dieting). But now I can finally get back to my life and prepare for a full 7 day fast on may 21-27. If anyone's interested in joining me let me know.

>>41434955
Just tell them I have a great metabolism and that I eat whatever I want.

>>41442227
No its not. Eat better food. Went from 280 to 220 on 1500, lifts improves, no fatigue, 12+ hours a week exercise

>>41434955
I tell them the same thing that got me to cut weight. It's simply a matter of counting calories. Working out and eating healthy food helps. But nothing other than calories really matters when it comes to weight loss.

>>41442345
Never had this once in the 3 months I was on keto

>>41434955
I chuckle, then say "The tyranny of the will over the weakness of the flesh," before tipping my fedora and teleporting away from them.

>>41442571
Maximum broscience. You don't stop counting calories and just fill your face with whatever when you end ketosis

>>41442293
Amanda is a qt

>>41442571
>>41442786
Increased carbohydrate intake and replenished glycogen stores could amount to 5, even 10 pounds of water weight regain; but you're not gonna lose 50 pounds on keto, go back to normal food, and turn back into a fat as fatass overnight.

>>41435128
I am also 5'9, at around 235 lbs right now
I have absolutely no strength at all (i'm a very fat and weak person)
Started going for long walks this past week as exercise and started cooking more of my own meals and eating out less. Looking to start drinking only water and stop eating out entirely and finally get a healthy diet going (i want to get that habit fixed before fixing my exercise)

What kind of diet did you do? Was it as simple as just counting calories or did you also eat specific types of food and avoid others?

>>41442763
me either , I meditate tho

>>41435085
I achieved it only one time before. It didn't feel that good because I was mostly just suprised I actually did it and I couldn't maintain the position very long

>>41434813
Why do I keep putting things off?

>Sign up for the gym
Made that resolution in january, still haven't been
>Eat less and healthier
Still eating the same shit and in large quantities
>Get more sleep and stop caffeine
Still get at most 6 hours and drink 3-4 Pepsi a day.

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>>41443078
The sleep isn't bad and won't kill you.

Not going to the gym is a hard one until you actually enjoy it and protip you most enjoy it too much until you start looking good or are strong.
(People may disagree but I hated going until I outlifted half the normies there)
Eat less
Just do IF, if you have a 4 hour eating window no way you'll be able to stuff your face with that much shit.
caffeine?
I chug that shit.

>>41443078
Same except I actually signed up for the gym about a month or two ago and have only gone once. (bad) but i did stop eating out and cut everything but water recently (good) except i am pretty much just cooking either chicken/fish/some meat along with rice or pasta all the time (if i remember i'll make some veggies) plus i don't count calories. So overall making some progress but not really. I am still the same weight as months ago (good news i am not getting bigger but i am not losing any weight)

No idea how to get motivated and focused to stick to healthier habits. Especially not being much of a social person to have someone kick my ass into gear. Meh

>>41443078
>>41443119
the fuck is wrong with you ? i asked my old boss for some cash so i could buy inert gasses to kill myself with, instead she said why not go to the gym and get fit instead? shes been paying my membership ever since and im down 40lbs this was in march. you people have NO excuse you lazy shits

>>41443156
No idea man. I just don't feeling motivated most of the time. It's like I kinda know what I need to get started and usually I start off well but I fall back and lose motivation. Eventually I start back up again, eat healthy, go exercise. but I always revert back. It sucks man.

>>41435684
if you continue to have sugar cravings eat some fruit. It's obviously not the same but it usually satisfies me. Or some greek yogurt.

>>41443156
I work, /v/idia, and sleep

I never find the time

>>41435128
Workout now and turn the fat into muscle.

>>41435270
>1k+ deficit.
Are you trying to die?

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>>41443383
>i can't find time to eat less

>>41434813
After several failed diet/exercise regiments for the last 15 years or so I've finally hit the one that's working. Not really sure whats changed, other than that I have a job that is physically taxing, but I'm afraid maybe I've been too successful . Going on 80 days now since I started recording my caloric intake, started at 6'3" 304 pounds. Am now 250, sticking to 12-15 hundred calories a day. I've heard from some people that there can be negative consequences to too much weight loss. I'm not exactly starving myself, but what do you think /fit/?

>>41443447
>i just don't have time to do the dishes
>i just can't work our plans into my schedule
>i didn't have the time to take the garbage out before work
>i was in a hurry and didn't flush
>the rent was due on monday but they didn't tell me they weren't open on weekends
>i just can't afford to go to a gym
>that girl was a bitch, she just couldn't appreciate someone like me

FUCK YOU SEAN

>>41437537
About two pounds, if I don't shit it up and gorge at some point

>>41435494
Fuck telling them you tried blowing yourself man, tell them you were doing yoga bends or something like that

>>41443383
same here dude...AND i have a GF, 1 hour of gym time a day is not asking you much, put down the damn game for a hour of your life and lift and stop eating shit

>start off at 100kg
>tfw at 78kg now
>tfw getting closer and closer to posting in the CBT thread without being ridiculously ashamed of my body

g-gonna make it brahs

I have 5 and 10 lbs dumb bells at home. I want to start some exercises. I have practically no strength. The 5 lb dumb bells are sometimes too much for me right now.

I started jogging almost every day for cardio. Will using these dumb bells for some exercises at home be enough to start? How long until the 5 and 10 lbs become useless to me and I have to buy heavier ones or just hit the gym?

>>41434813
Currently at (US customary) 315lb/5' 10" (70in)

I want to be at around 200-210 by Christmas. I plan on starting this week.

Any food tips that are low calorie but make you feel full so you dont want to eat?

>>41443464
Stretch marks can be obtained from fast weight loss

>>41443784
Chicken breast.
Greek yogurt.

Vegetables are NOT filling but eat them anyway for the fiber.

>>41443751
>How long until the 5 and 10 lbs become useless to me
1 month max. Your body will make strength gains quickly on those sort of things.

Most people start off at 15 or 20 lb and slowly move up from there.

>>41443784
a full glass of water with every meal will help immensely regardless of what you eat.

I don't know if it still holds true since they rebranded but medifast made me drop from 240 to 170 in about 4 months.

Most of their meals tasted like shit though and the whole experience was awful. It worked like magic though.

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>>41443778
start now

>>41443788
I have stretch marks from being fat, I think that ship has sailed

>>41443887
yeah i'm fat and i already have these marks. if i eventually become the Rock will i still have those marks? that would suck

>>41443927
there are ways to make them lesser with skin care products but you'll always be able to notice them.

>>41443950
Not if it's a descent progress. Also depends on genetics ect ect

>>41436048
Try eating at maintenance for 2 weeks, find your new actual weight. Then recalculate your tdee and finish up cutting weight. Good luck and good job so far, lad

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I have sinned, /fat/. I did good through the weekdays but this weekend I've been a big piece of shit. Didn't even bother counting calories anymore. I feel like this happens every other odd or so weekend. I don't know why I keep doing it (sometimes it is all I think about during the week days) and when I go through with it my stomach and soul feel like shit. Am I a masochist or something? Jesus.

>>41435948

that shit aint even cooked anon, what the fuck?

Would anyone here recommend the Integrated Supplements whey protein powder?

Just heard about it and am intrigued

>>41440994
>I have lost 45lbs in the 2 years

fucking christ anon i started dieting about 70 days ago and i just play DDR a few times a week and i've dropped 25 pounds

just count cals and eat less

eat. less.

>reached my goal weight of 85 kg (hell I'm even lower now, 84.4 kg)
>was eating about 1800 calories a week
>now gonna eat at maintenance which is a bout 2600 calories
>struggling to think how I'm gonna fill those calories up without any junk food

Please help /fat/. For reference, I was 95 kg when I started at March 1st and I did a low carb diet with IF. I figured I might just start eating breakfast again but I liked the benefits of IF too much.

>>41444475
>1800 calories a week

a day* obviously

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>>41443751
>dumb bells

>>41444486

>>41443078
>3-4 Pepsi a day
JUST FUCKING STOP HOLY SHIT

>>41443483
>that girl was a bitch, she just couldn't appreciate someone like me
You mean a fatty? You'd go out with a fatty if you were thinner man?
Cut the vidyas for a while. A lot of cooking buisness don't ake too long to do, and you can do something else when they'rewarming up (just put an alarm or something and go stir them up sometimes).
Like breast chicken, i don't know. Put some carrots and potatoes in some broth with bay leaf or something, wait for them to be softer, put some breast chicken. Once everything is cooked, get them out. You got your meal for a few days and this barely took any time to do. You can even drink the broth if you want. Same for cooking hard boiled eggs or something.
If you have time to cook pasta or warm up ome pizza you literally have no excuse.

>>41443784
Apples.

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Can you people please fat shame in the most demeaning and cruel possible ways?i´ve been too fat for too long and I feel like this is something i need to experience before starting the journey

>>41445267
I'm not gonna yell at ya. I ain't gonna scream or insult. Not gonna tell ya to kill yourself. None of that

Fact is, around here we're all in the same boat, so to speak. We know the trouble

Join up with us and we'll be with you, because we stay in the boat and one day we'll reach the shore. Some folks jump off and go it alone, because they found the strength and found it better to swim. Or else you'll jump off the boat and sink.

If you make a mistake you'll probably get a talking to, but fact is, only you can keep yourself aboard, and the boat keep on moving, whether you're on it or not

We're glad to have you along, but ain't none of us can keep you here. It's gotta be you, from the first step or the last

So ask. Are you going to make it?